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Jodi Tweets Insults, Jurors Ask Alyce
Aired April 11, 2013 - 20:00 ET
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JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Lying isn`t typically something that I do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She lies about killing Mr. Alexander, right?
ARIAS: I absolutely did not kill Travis Alexander. I had nothing to do with his murder.
I didn`t kill Travis. I did not take his life.
ALYCE LAVIOLETTE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EXPERT: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And did she lie about whether or not she was even there?
ARIAS: I was not at Travis`s house. I was not.
LAVIOLETTE: Yes, she did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then did she change her story and have another lie?
ARIAS: I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals.
One was in all black. One was in jeans.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did they say anything?
ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) kill me, too.
LAVIOLETTE: Yes, she did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The lies or the lack of truthfulness, did they cause you problems in her believability?
LAVIOLETTE: No, they don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "After all the lies you have told, why should we believe you now?"
ARIAS: Because I was very ashamed of the death.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Do you think that Jodi could have lied to you to help her case?"
LAVIOLETTE: I never found that to be true with Jodi.
Ms. Arias was a really good liar.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She lies...
ARIAS: The lies that I`ve told in this case...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The lies that she told...
LAVIOLETTE: ... she would have planned a really good lie, and she didn`t.
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JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session," in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for joining us.
We are right here, downtown Phoenix, Arizona, at the courthouse for this death penalty trial. Jurors -- they continue to have question after question for domestic violence expert Alyce LaViolette. But who do they really favor here? Several of the questions focusing on Jodi kicking her mother. Does that make her a violent person, the jurors ask? Or could she have killed just to get away from her abuser?
Meanwhile, Jodi Arias -- she is so busy behind bars. She`s got a Twitter account, tweet after tweet, taking jabs at the prosecutor, even sending a personal message to our own Nancy Grace. Jodi Arias also profiting off of her own death penalty trial with artwork selling for $3,000 and up.
And we have just learned about new private journals seized from Arias`s jail cell just days ago.
Let us go straight out to Alexis Tereszcuk. She is senior reporter for Radaronline. All right, Alexis, two questions. First of all, how does Jodi Arias get to have a Twitter account and tweet from jail? I can`t believe this is happening! And number two, what personal message did she have for Nancy?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: So the way she`s doing it is -- she doesn`t have access to a computer in jail. She has a friend, a woman named Donavan Bering, who is speaking on the phone with Jodi every single night. And they talk about what -- Jodi calls her and says -- or she calls Jodi -- actually, Jodi calls her, says, I have a quote for you, will you tweet it out? So that`s what she`s been doing.
The tweet that she sent to Nancy Grace was -- there was a video shown on this show that showed Jodi Arias making an obscene gesture with her middle finger. And she writes straight to Nancy, "Actually, Nancy, that finger was for you. Have a nice day."
CASAREZ: Now, Alexis, the picture that we are all looking at of Jodi Arias -- and I remember it was questioned. You know, what is really the basis for that? Is it inadvertent? Is it intentional? That was on March 21st. March 22nd is when she tweeted this to Nancy, and we`re just hearing about it now?
TERESZCUK Well, everybody wasn`t sure if this was really Jodi`s Twitter account. It`s been up for a couple of months. However, the Maricopa County sheriff`s office confirmed it is her. And they say she`s speaking with this woman every night. And they said that, unfortunately, there`s nothing they can do about it. But it was finally confirmed that it is Jodi.
CASAREZ: And she has 16 hours of phone time, I believe, a week.
Let`s go to the lawyers right now, Hugo Rodriguez, expert defense lawyer joining us out of Miami, former FBI, and Alex Sanchez, defense attorney joining us out of New York.
Alex Sanchez, she is facing the death penalty. And I`ve got another tweet for you, OK? She tweeted -- and we believe this is for the prosecutor, a personal message for the prosecutor -- "Those afflicted with little man`s syndrome taint society`s perception of generally good men who happen to be vertically challenged."
The prosecutor is not a tall man. Alex Sanchez, if she was your client, what would you say to her right now?
ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Now, look, considering the merciless attacks that she`s been under, can anybody blame her for using whatever resources she has to try to get back? I mean, this guy Martinez has been after her for weeks and weeks and weeks. So what? She`s made fun of his height. I`m sure Martinez can deal with it.
CASAREZ: But Hugo -- Hugo Rodriguez, this can put more fight into the prosecutor when he hears this.
HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Jean...
CASAREZ: I mean, you couldn`t advise your client...
RODRIGUEZ: Jean, it`s...
CASAREZ: ... to do something like that. What?
RODRIGUEZ: No, I wouldn`t advise her to do it. But they monitor her phone calls. They know what she`s saying. They`re probably surveilling her in there. So it`s not new to them. But it`s probably not a good idea. But I have to agree with Alex. She`s venting in her own way. Unfortunately, whether it be Nancy or Martinez, that`s her way of doing it. It is not going to hurt her in her case.
CASAREZ: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Deal Breakers" joining us from Los Angeles, why would someone, when they`re facing the most serious day of their life, which is judgment day on earth, why would they be tweeting? We`ve only started telling everybody these tweets. There are many, many tweets. Why would they do this? Shouldn`t they be focusing on assisting their lawyers?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: You know, when you think of the criminal mindset, criminals do not exactly have what we call cause and effect thinking. They have a very difficult time anticipating what harm is going to befall them because of their actions.
So hence, they kill people and they don`t think they`re going to be caught. They tweet out and they don`t think there`s going to be any repercussions from it. So I think this is her criminality.
It`s also her personality disorder. You know, when you think of sociopathy and malignant narcissism, these personality disorders love to straighten people out. They feel superior. They are the holder of truth. They are the ringleader of the circus of filth (ph). She feels she has one over everybody and she is just going to stick it them, like she did to Alexander.
CASAREZ: All right, we are taking your calls live. Got to interrupt you. Court is in session. We`ve got more tweets, but let`s go into court right now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You claim Travis`s name calling turned into character assassination, but my understanding is that in order for character assassination to occur, it would have to include diminishing somebody`s character to other people. If the name calling was only between Travis and Jodi, wouldn`t this just be considered more severe or intense name-calling and not character assassination?"
LAVIOLETTE: No, character assassination does not have to occur in the presence of other people. And most of the time, it doesn`t. Tearing apart somebody`s character, particularly if you`re spending most of your time together, you don`t have another mirror of reality to look at. So if somebody`s tearing apart your character, somebody`s tearing apart who you are, and you love that person, they have the power to tear apart your character. Most character assassination does not happen in front of other people.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You testified that in completing a couple assessment, you talk to both parties to confirm and validate your concerns. In this case, you were only able to talk with one person. How do you validate the information presented to you is truthful in order to base an accurate decision?"
LAVIOLETTE: By using collaborative (ph) data and looking at different things. I`m not sure if it was Mr. Alexander`s blog, but there was some -- I don`t know Facebook from blog -- but they asked him what he liked. And he said, I don`t like whores.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sustained.
"You testified that in March, when Jodi`s voicemail box was full, Travis ordered Jodi to empty it. How do you know that he ordered her or just asked her?"
LAVIOLETTE: Well, he said, Empty it out, as opposed to "Please" or whatever, so there`s an implied "you empty it out" there. That`s how I read it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Considering Travis and Jodi communicated frequently, wouldn`t you say it is reasonable that Travis might get a bit irritated that he could not leave a message with Jodi for a week because her voicemail was full?"
LAVIOLETTE: Sure, he could get irritated. It`s not a matter of being irritated. It`s a matter of what you do...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection (INAUDIBLE) scope.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled. You may continue.
LAVIOLETTE: It`s a matter of what you do when you`re irritated. It`s a matter of how far you go when you`re irritated. I mean, any of us get irritated. We get irritated at people we love and care about all the time. But it`s sort of, like, Now how do I handle it? What`s the pattern that I use to handle that?
And anybody can get irritated. Anybody can get over the top a little bit. But it`s just so far over the top. That`s my concern.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Since you were hired for this case to look into Travis and Jodi`s relationship to determine whether or not this was an abusive relationship, why would you not look further into Travis`s text about him fearing Jodi? Do you feel this may have been important?"
LAVIOLETTE: I actually read -- I continued to read the texts to this particular person, and to read the texts that were occurring at that time. And I didn`t see anything else that would lead me to believe he was afraid, including his behavior. So when I look at the information, I also look at what surrounds the information. So I was reading texts he had written to other people at the same time and his behavior toward Ms. Arias. And as I said before, stalkers do not...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, beyond the scope.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sustained.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to take a...
CASAREZ: All right, the court is taking a break.
We are taking your calls live. Let`s go to Kim in Massachusetts. Hi, Kim.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. How are you?
CASAREZ: I`m fine. Thank you for calling, Kim.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you for having me. I just have to wonder when Ms. Alyce LaViolette, like, sold out because right now, I don`t see her as sticking up for women who have been abused and, like, horrible things that women have gone through. I do not see that. And there`s no way where a woman with her education believes that with Ms. Arias. And that just leads me to believe that she`s in it for money or fame or -- I don`t even know at this point. But I know it`s not for domestic violence.
And I`m kind of offended by it. And I`ve never been, thank God, a woman of domestic violence, but I can imagine how these women feel hearing this woman talk and sold out. I think this chick should collect her check and go back to the "Brady Bunch" because this is nuts, at this point.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In your reading and everything that you`ve read, are you aware that Mr. Alexander portrays himself as a virgin?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone who`s never had sex at all?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I don`t know if it has him or if he`s found a replacement booty call. For his sake, I hope he hasn`t."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this the same mouth that lied about his virginity?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lied about his virginity to his church?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I spoke with Bishop Layton (ph). He confirms that Travis is dead! What happened? Travis, what is this?"
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CASAREZ: And welcome back. I`m Jean Casarez, in for Nancy Grace. We are live right here in downtown Phoenix, Arizona, at the Jodi Arias trial.
Jodi Arias is tweeting from jail. We have got tweet after tweet after tweet from Jodi.
But first, let`s talk about the courtroom. Alyce LaViolette question after question from the jury. I want to go out to Beth Karas, "In Session" legal correspondent, also an attorney.
Beth, what was the tenor of the questions so far? Because they are continuing. There are more questions than there is time to ask them to LaViolette. But what is the tenor, what is the pulse of the jury?
BETH KARAS, "IN SESSION": Well, you know, they seem to have a skepticism about how she took Jodi Arias at her word, that Jodi Arias is the only person she interviewed face to face, that she didn`t read all of Jodi Arias`s journals, only what was provided to her. So you know, there`s a skepticism on the part of at least those jurors asking the questions.
And you know, these questions don`t represent all 17 jurors. It`s only the ones who are submitting them. We can`t tell you, we don`t know the number, but it is probably half or fewer than half of the jurors.
CASAREZ: And you know, Beth, that is a very good point.
Everybody and Beth, listen to this, one more tweet from Jodi Arias on March 16th. "No, I do not have a girlfriend. After everything I`ve been through, it is amazing I`m not gay."
All right, we`ve got to go back in the courtroom right now, testimony, Alyce LaViolette.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You have many years of experience dealing with abusive men, is that correct?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "If so, wouldn`t by far the majority of men you have known throughout your career be abusive?"
LAVIOLETTE: Actually, I have lots of male friends and my own family members and my son. So I`ve got lots of male people in my life that aren`t abusive, including a co-facilitator that I`ve worked with over 20 years in west LA and a co-facilitator that I started with in 1980 that -- we worked very closely together for 28 years, and he just retired.
And I`ve worked with a range of men. Some of them are anger management. And I also have men in my private practice that -- where domestic violence isn`t an issue at all. I have a broad-based private practice. I work with people on a variety of issues.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Is it possible your view of men in general is skewed or biased toward being abusive?"
LAVIOLETTE: I don`t think so. I have a great dad. He was here yesterday. I`ve got a great brother. I`ve got a great son. I`ve got great brother-in-laws. I have some very -- I think very significant men in my life, male friends, people I`ve worked with in the probation department, people I`ve worked with in criminal justice, people I`ve worked with doing training. I`ve got lots of male friends. So I would have to say, probably, I wouldn`t be able to work...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, beyond the scope (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled. You may complete your statement.
LAVIOLETTE: I don`t think I would be able to work with people who are violent, and that includes some women, as well. I don`t think I`d be able to do that if I didn`t have a good balance in my own life of people who are positive role models and mentors in my own life.
CASAREZ: All right, the questions from the jury are continuing for Alyce LaViolette. We are going to press the pause button. You are not going to miss anything, not a bit of the questions from the jury for this (INAUDIBLE). We`ll be right back after this.
CASAREZ: Welcome back. Juror questions for Alyce LaViolette continue. Let`s go into the courtroom.
LAVIOLETTE: I only received the portions of anything -- all I got was what was provided to me. I didn`t -- I didn`t know if that was all that was available or not. But what I had was provided to me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Do you believe it is possible that Travis said some of the negative things he said to Jodi because he was afraid of her stalking him and he wanted to distance himself from her?"
LAVIOLETTE: No. No, I don`t believe that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "In your opinion, did Travis ever sound angry in his journals?"
LAVIOLETTE: No, I don`t believe he sounded angry in his journals.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Did Travis speak negatively of any of the women he was seeing in his journals?"
LAVIOLETTE: In his journals?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In his journals.
LAVIOLETTE: Not of -- not in the journals that I read, no.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "In the magazine subscriptions you had seen to Jodi in jail, she wrote hidden messages in them intended for someone. Were those messages for you?"
LAVIOLETTE: I had no idea she wrote hidden messages to anyone, and I certainly didn`t receive any.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "If the defendant feels she has a high IQ, is it possible she would try to outsmart psychological tests?"
LAVIOLETTE: It didn`t appear that she outsmarted them, if that was her intent.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Non-responsive. She`s asking, is it possible, not whether or not she did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She should be allowed to explain her answer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled. Answer the question.
LAVIOLETTE: It didn`t appear in reading what either report wrote that if she intended to, that she did. So I don`t -- I don`t see that -- if she did try, she was not successful. And I don`t know whether she would have tried or not. It didn`t appear to me that she tried to outsmart me, but you know...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Jodi`s old friend stated she was manipulative and liked to play the victim. Even though it was high school, is it possible that those traits stayed with Jodi as she got older?"
CASAREZ: All right, she was younger than high school, she was in grade school. We`re going to take a short break, though. We`ll be right back with more testimony in that courtroom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isn`t it true that Mr. Alexander was extremely afraid of the defendant, Jodi Arias, based on her stalking behavior?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias, his crazy ex-girlfriend, slashing his tires all the time, stalking.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She ended up sleeping under his Christmas tree.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kept to herself, kind of awkward.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She actually managed to get me in a restroom by myself. She was kind of blocking the doorway. She told me that Travis was basically hers, to make sure that I knew that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was obvious how crazy she was.
JODI ARIAS, SUSPECTED OF KILLING TRAVIS ALEXANDER: He snatched it, I went into the bathroom, and shut the door, I found the text messages, and began to read them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Travis said in front of everyone, no, she`s - you know, she`s not my girlfriend. He had another girl there that he was dating.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are a shameful whore.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was afraid of her, yes.
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CASAREZ: Welcome back, I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace. We are live right here in downtown Phoenix.
Everybody, we have a very, very special guest today. She does not normally speak out, but she has decided to come on, via telephone with us. Her name is Donavan Bering. She is a very, very close friend of Jodi Arias. And she is the one that tweets for Jodi Arias so that Jodi can communicate with Nancy Grace, the prosecutor.
Donavan, really appreciate you coming on with me tonight.
DONAVAN BERING, JODI ARIAS` FRIEND, HELPS HER TWEET FROM JAIL: That is not a problem at all.
CASAREZ: All right, I have got to go to this first because I think we were all shocked when we first of all saw that she had a Twitter account. Whose idea was it for Jodi Arias to suddenly have this Twitter account?
BERING: Well, what is kind of funny is it`s not all of a sudden thing. The Twitter account has been up for quite a while. And I have been the one that has been helping get her quotes and things across that she wants to say. It has been up for about a month or two already. And it was really -- we just kind of talked about how she could maybe communicate because she doesn`t get to communicate with anybody really other than post cards and stuff.
And we had just talked about it. And I knew that people had Twitter accounts and stuff, and so we just thought that we would work on that. So I set up a Twitter account. And I was pretty much --
CASAREZ: Now, we all - Donavan, we all saw the picture on March 21st from court of Jodi, with her finger in sort of a peculiar position, a lot of us thought nothing of it, but now we read that there is a tweet that she sent the next day personally to Nancy saying Nancy, that finger was for you. Have a nice day. What is the back story on that?
BERING: Well, the story on that was, believe it or not, it was not done intentionally. And there was such a big deal made about that, you know, she was giving the finger. That when the tweet was done, it was done after the fact because -- I mean, none of us really noticed it until we got done with court. And here we see all over that she`s supposedly giving the finger, when actually she was just pushing up her glasses.
And so it just played off of that. It was not like intentionally done until after all the, you know, news about her having a middle finger up because none of us even had noticed that until after getting home from court. So it was an after the fact angle --
CASAREZ: So -- I see what you`re saying, so she is just reacting, responding, sort of being sarcastic, if I want to use that term. Now what do you do? Do you go to jail every day after court and see Jodi personally and get the tweet for the day or night? Or do you call her? How does it work?
BERING: No, Jodi has free access to the phone and whoever has money on their -- she can call them. And sometimes she`ll call me every night or a lot of times during the week, you know, she`s got trial. She may be tired, but she`ll call and she may say hey, you know, I really - I read this really cool quote. I`d like to tweet it. Or we may not even tweet at all, because it`s not done every night. But it`s between -- she only got very few tweets on there, just ones that are important to her or something that she may come up with. So a lot of them --
CASAREZ: Or you -- Donavan, are you concerned at all that Jodi has an image in court of being a very sweet, nice girl? I mean, that`s her image in court that we see. Are you concerned at all that these tweets, some of which I think are meant for the prosecutor about "little man syndrome," do you think that that could back fire?
BERING: Well, no, because I could understand how people are thinking things are being addressed to people. Number one, I wouldn`t put a tweet on there that was going to be offensive to anybody really in the courtroom if it was deliberate. And I know that a lot of people are saying that that`s, you know, aimed towards a certain person. But it wasn`t. I mean, it was just a tweet that she had come up with. And we put it on there. And then now with all this stuff that`s going on, I mean, you can look back and say oh, well, I can see where that shows that. But Jodi is not sarcastic about any of this. That`s the person she is, the person that -- who she is and who she is in the courtroom. It`s just that we have done -- tweeting like anybody does, I mean, you don`t really think too much of it until all of this came about today.
CASAREZ: How does Jodi feel the trial is going?
BERING: When we talk we don`t talk a lot about it. But I`m -- you know, I know that all she is hoping is that, you know, the truth is coming out and there`s going to be a good outcome. Because we don`t talk about it much. We try not to. Because she lives it all day long.
CASAREZ: Was she concerned at all with Dr. Richard Samuels and the fact he didn`t re-test or recalculate? And there were errors that -- immense errors that he seemed to make?
BERING: You know, to be honest with you, we have never discussed that. We just pretty just went on. I was over with, and then we went on to the next chapter of what was going to be taking place.
CASAREZ: All right. What`s the tweet going to be for tonight, Donavan?
BERING: Excuse me?
CASAREZ: What is the tweet going to be for tonight?
BERING: I have no idea. I have not -- I have not talked to Jodi, it has been a very hectic day since all this came out. It`s been -- accept phone calls and threats. And it`s just been a nightmare, so I don`t know if I will even be talking to her tonight.
CASAREZ: All right. Donavan Bering, thank you so much for coming on air, because you do not speak out. And I want to hear, we want to hear the other side to this because it is shocking, I think, to a lot of us and especially here on the show. So thank you, we will keep reading some of these texts but you take care.
BERING: Thank you so much for having me.
CASAREZ: All right, everybody, we want to go back into the courtroom right now, more testimony, some grilling questions from the jury for Alyce LaViolette from this jury. Let`s go in.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, Jodi`s old friend stated she was manipulative and liked to play the victim. Even though it was high school, isn`t it possible those traits stayed with her as she got older?
ALYCE LAVIOLETTE, WITNESS: I don`t have evidence of that. I don`t have evidence of that from --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it possible, those traits stayed with Jodi as she got older?
LAVIOLETTE: Anything is possible, I don`t have evidence of that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you seen any proof that Jodi was physically abused by Travis other than her finger that she claims Travis broke?
LAVIOLETTE: No, I haven`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there any reason we should believe that Jodi has not manipulated you as she has others?
LAVIOLETTE: I`m not sure who you believe she is manipulating.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection.
CASAREZ: All right, I think we`re pressing that pause button right now. You`re not going to miss a thing.
Everybody, Donavan Bering is agreeing to stay with us, she will help take your calls live. Do you have a question for her or for Jodi? We`ll be right back after this.
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JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: Isn`t that an indication of a stalking state of mind?
MARTINEZ: I`m over here, you keep looking to your left. And obvious --
LAVIOLETTE: I`m going to look over here.
MARTINEZ: Believe it, even though there is no report about it, right?
MARTINEZ: There is no journal entry indicating that either, is there?
LAVIOLETTE: No, and that would make sense.
MARTINEZ: It make sense because you are biased in this case, aren`t you? In favor of the defendant?
LAVIOLETTE: I`m not an expert on sex addiction.
MARTINEZ: And yet you still chose to believe it, didn`t you?
LAVIOLETTE: I believe it.
MARTINEZ: You do believe that her -- the defendant`s report, Mr. Alexander was masturbating to images of children.
LAVIOLETTE: I believe.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace. Welcome back.
These juror questions are for Alyce LaViolette. They were great. Let`s go in live.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is there any reason we should believe that Jodi has not manipulated you as she has others?
LAVIOLETTE: I didn`t -- I didn`t use Jodi as my -- as my evidence. I didn`t -- I used so many other things to look at.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.
LAVIOLETTE: So I don`t believe that Jodi manipulated me, because the areas I looked at were corroborated by other people. So I -- I mean, it`s possible. I also don`t have any evidence that she has been manipulating people. So I am not -- I`m not sure where that actually came from. She has not been described as manipulative by others.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sustained. Why have you looked at Miss Arias multiple times during the cross examination with the prosecutor when there were breaks and side bars, to meet eyes with Jodi and give her a small, warm smile.
LAVIOLETTE: I have done that on occasion just to acknowledge her but no other reason. I have given maybe --
MARTINEZ: Objection, beyond the scope.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.
LAVIOLETTE: I have maybe given -- I have friends that have been coming from -- friends of mine from elementary school. And I look in a direction, and it doesn`t necessarily mean I`m looking at Miss Arias. I know I have looked at her a couple of times. But I have actually tried to avoid looking at Miss Arias. And I have looked at my friends who have been in the front row and Maria there, and whatever, and I have smiled at them. But I haven`t spent a lot of time looking at Miss Arias and smiling at her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have personal feelings for Jodi or feel sorry for her?
LAVIOLETTE: I have feelings -- I have -- I have liked Jodi in terms of working with her and in terms of having that cooperative relationship with her. But, I mean, we don`t -- we haven`t had a relationship other than the 44 hours that I have spent in jail with her. So we don`t -- we don`t have a friendship. We don`t have a relationship other than that. And I have had that relationship with other people.
CASAREZ: All right, to Alexis Weed, NANCY GRACE producer. Alexis, you were in court today, what else happened?
ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Jean, I think there was such a huge scene here with all of these questions that were posted to LaViolette. They jurors, they really wanted to know how could she be sure that Arias has not been lying to her. Some of these questions saying, Arias is a proven liar, so how can you know everything she`s saying is truthful? Also, how confident is LaViolette that Arias did not lie to her.
And, the one you already heard. Has she manipulated LaViolette? The jurors really wanted to know. How could she rely on this information. That seems to be one of the big things here that they were trying to get to the bottom to.
CASAREZ: These are really deep questions. And they started out also asking if someone would kill because they had to - they felt they had to kill their abuser. I mean, they were all over the place. But they got more cynical as they went on.
Joining us, everybody, tonight is Donavan Bering, she is a close family friend of the Arias family. Very close with Jodi Arias because she facilitates the tweets for Jodi Arias out of that courthouse. And we are taking your calls.
To Pam in Florida -- hi, Pam.
PAM, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hey.
CASAREZ: Thank you for calling, Pam.
PAM: How long has Miss Donavan known Jodi and where did they meet?
CASAREZ: OK, good question. Donavan, how long have you known Jodi and where did you meet?
BERING: I`ve known Jodi for -- I want to say almost six years, I believe. I think it was 2007. And I met her when she was - when she first came to Arizona. And she was forgot -- brought here to -- the jail.
CASAREZ: All right. And welcome back. I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace. We are live right here in Phoenix, Arizona. I want to go to Kinsey Schofield right now. She is joining us here in Phoenix. She is a social media strategist out of Los Angeles area here in Phoenix for the trial, Kinseyschofield.com.
Kinsey, I want to ask you a question about Alyce LaViolette because there was a picture that has gone absolutely crazy on the Internet. It is Alyce LaViolette. And she was trying to have a quiet dinner last night with the defense team. And it has just gone viral because there she is in a restaurant. And in addition to that -- you know, that`s fair game. You`re in a public place. You`re on the stand.
OK. I understand that. But there is a movement on social media right now of those that literally hate Alyce LaViolette, that I feel are trying to stop her 36-year career in its tracks. What do you know about that? And is that fair?
KINSEY SCHOFIELD, BLOGGER, SOCIAL MEDIA STRATEGIST: You know, I do, I do agree with you. I see the movement and I`m probably inadvertently a part of the movement because some of my tweets have been very negative towards her. But I -- she has the same demeanor as Jodi did on the stand with Juan Martinez. And I think that that`s why people really don`t like her. And she`s so extremely biased towards Jodi`s defense. She doesn`t crack at all and ever give one an inch and I think that that`s why people, you know, can`t relate to her and aren`t really fond of her.
It`s when -- it`s when people take it offline that I have a problem. And I don`t condone the people calling her business and trying to get her fired from certain events. But I think that it`s fair game. I think Alyce needs to put on her big girl underwear and just - and suck it up as far as the Internet is concerned, as far as the Amazon comments, et cetera, because she knew what she was getting into with such a dramatic case. People have very passionate about this case.
CASAREZ: We remember American hero, Army Specialist Justin Shoecraft, 28 years old from Elkhart, Indiana. He was awarded the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and Combat Action Badge. He leaves behind his parents, Carol Blue and Donna. His sister Sheri, his brother Michael.
Justin Shoecraft, an American hero.
A special happy birthday to one of Nancy Grace`s stars, Matt. "DR. DREW" is up next.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On April 9th, at approximately 11:33 a.m. when discussing Jodi being manipulative at the Purple Plum, and what the witness said about Jodi - I`m sorry, what the waitress said about Jodi. When the prosecutor was marking the exhibit, you looked at Jodi, gave a half-smile and shrugged your shoulders. Why do you keep doing this?
LAVIOLETTE: Wow, I didn`t even know I was doing it. Truthfully, I do shrug my shoulders, I do. But I don`t even remember doing that. I mean, I don`t even know what to say to that question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Considering the lies Jodi told after killing Travis, why would you believe the things she told you happened before the killing?
LAVIOLETTE: I believe those things because of the corroborative data, not because of what Jodi told me or didn`t tell me. I`ve got data that corroborates many of the things that she said in terms of what happened. I don`t have data, as I said, I don`t have any -- I wasn`t there during any of the physical incidents. But because much of what was said was corroborated by other sources, I believed those things that are corroborated. And they paint a picture.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hypothetically, if you were to discover that Jodi had actually exaggerated, rather than understated the physical abuse events that she told you about, do you think it is possible that you would need to revise your opinion on the degree or severity of the abuse within the relationship?
CASAREZ: "DR. DREW" is next.