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John Kerry Visits South Korea; Report: Major Gaps Between Blacks, Whites Income; Restrictions on Using GPS; IRS Reading American's E-Mails; Bus Driver Fired After Attack; Buying Guns at Gun Show
Aired April 13, 2013 - 17:00 ET
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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Happening right now on CNN, an incredible story of survival. A plane crashes into the ocean, it splits in two and amazingly everyone survives.
Out of control: a bus driver beats a passenger all because he asked a simple question.
One of the NBA's best players hurt and, for Lakers fans, the news just got worse. Kobe Bryant is going to be out for quite a while.
What does this say to black America? The head of the National Urban League is here with the answers for you.
And don't talk about cheating an IRS in an e-mail. The agency can read them without your permission.
You're in the NEWSROOM.
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LEMON: I'm Don Lemon. Thanks for joining us. Top of the hour, everyone. Thanks for joining us here in THE NEWSROOM.
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LEMON (voice-over): We start with incredible video of a plane with a huge crack floating in the ocean. Amazingly, though, everyone on board survived. A Lion Air plane carrying more than 100 people overshot a runway and slammed into the ocean near Bali, Indonesia.
Passengers and rescue crew stood on a wing and everyone got out. Looks familiar, right? Remember the Hudson? At least one person was injured. Doctors are examining other passengers now. Doug Sovern (ph) of San Francisco's KCBS, the radio station there, was in the airport when the crash happened.
DOUG SOVERN (PH), KCBS RADIO: What we are told here at the airport is that shortly after 3:30 pm local time this incoming Lion Air domestic flight overshot the runway while it was landing, landed in the Indian Ocean just off the coast here and split in half. Amazingly, they were able to get everyone out. of the plane, sort of shades of "miracle on the Hudson," people jumping out of the plane, going -- somehow getting rescued from the inside of the aircraft. We saw a lot of fire engines, ambulances. We're told there were some minor injuries but we're told everyone survived, about a hundred passengers and crew, everyone got off safely. No one killed, at least in the impact of the landing.
LEMON (voice-over): So more now about this plane. It is a Boeing 737. It was about to land at Bali's airport when that crash happened. Lion Air says the plane is new and the pilot was fit to fly. The cause of the crash being investigated.
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LEMON: We'll continue to update you here on CNN.
A Senate aide tells CNN that a sweeping new deal on immigration reform will include a cutoff date for undocumented immigrants who want to become citizens. Details still being worked out, but the major points are expected to include a 13-year path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants and a provision that makes any undocumented immigrant who entered the U.S. after December 31st or -- of 2011 ineligible for citizenship under the deal.
There is also a new system to assess border security. And applicants would have to pay a fine and back taxes and pass a background check. The deal is being put together by the Senate's so-called Gang of Eight -- four Democrats, four Republicans.
Senator Marco Rubio talks more about immigration reform with our Candy Crowley tomorrow morning on "STATE OF THE UNION" beginning at 9:00 Eastern.
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LEMON: John Kerry says to China, let's work together to fix the North Korea problem. The secretary of state is in Beijing right now.
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LEMON (voice-over): That's him today with China's new president. Kerry says the Chinese are joining him in calling for North Korea to tone down the aggressive talk and stop the aggressive military action.
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LEMON: CNN's Elise Labott in Washington not, Elise, it's John Kerry's first official diplomatic trip to China. They could be going worse for him. He's getting cooperation and goodwill from China even though the circumstances are unfortunate.
Does the State Department see this trip as a success?
ELISE LABOTT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, that's key. The Chinese say that they're going to give unprecedented cooperation in helping diffuse the crisis in North Korea. Take a listen to John Kerry just after his meeting with the Chinese foreign minister, how optimistic he seems about working with the Chinese.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: China and the United States today recommitted ourselves to find a peaceful solution. And we say to Kim Jong-un and to the government of Korea, of the DPRK that they have an obvious choice here, which is to join us in an effort to try to find a negotiated resolution.
LABOTT: Now, Don, the Chinese have said in the past that they will cooperate, that they'll do everything they can to get North Korea to behave. A lot of times they don't do what they are going to say.
Are they going to crack down on the Chinese, get them to stop the threats against the U.S. and South Korea and also stop the illegal flow of money and weapons that are helping fuel the nuclear program? It's anybody's guess what they are really going to do now.
LEMON: Those are good questions. Another one here, though. The Chinese say that they are on board with the Americans. But they have enormous influence on the North Koreans.
Will China do anything substantial that will make North Korea tone it down?
LABOTT: It's a very good question. They are telling John Kerry everything he wants to hear. And I think U.S. officials are sending a kind of debate in China right now, whether they are getting the bang for their buck of their relationship of North Korea.
There is an open discussion in China that maybe -- their relationship with North Korea is really not helping their national security interests. So it's possible that they could, you know, some of these fuel shipments that they give North Korea could all of a sudden be delayed.
Some of the food aid that they give to North Korea somehow, oh, we need to wait a few weeks. I mean, they could subtly send a message to North Korea that they are not happy with their behavior. We have seen some statements from Chinese officials in the past. Now we have to see whether they are going to put that talk into action, Don.
LEMON: All right. Elise Labott, thank you very much, Elise.
British police are trying to keep protests from getting out of hand in London.
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LEMON (voice-over): This is Trafalgar Square in the heart of London. A couple hundred people gathered there today, saying they are celebrating the death of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. It's a much smaller rally than officials expected but it is loud. The British people are sharply divided between admiration and hatred for Margaret Thatcher's legacy. She died last week, 87 years old. Her funeral set for Wednesday.
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FRANCINE WHEELER, MOTHER OF SANDY HOOK STUDENT: Our younger son, Ben, age 6, was murdered in his 1st grade classroom on December 14th, exactly four months ago this weekend.
For him and all the others taken from us so violently and too soon, we have to convince the Senate to come together and pass common sense gun responsibility reforms that will make our communities safer and prevent more tragedies like the one we never thought would happen to us.
LEMON (voice-over): This is the first time someone other than the president or vice president has delivered the weekly presidential address during the Obama administration. The Senate approved a procedural vote this week to kickstart the gun control debate.
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LEMON: In the wake of Sandy hook, controversy surrounds tonight's NASCAR race in Texas. Its sponsor, the NRA. We are talking with race fans about it like, just ahead.
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LEMON (voice-over): And later, we wanted to know how hard or how easy it is to buy a gun at a gun show. So we went -- we sent a crew to three different states to find out.
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LEMON: Tonight's big NASCAR race in Texas generating unusual interest in the political world; that's because the race's primary sponsor is the National Rifle Association, the NRA.
A U.S. Senator from Connecticut is upset over a decision by organizers to award naming rights of a race to the NRA but the speedway president says the talk of controversy is overblown.
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EDDIE GOSSAGE, TEXAS MOTOR SPEEDWAY PRESIDENT: There is no uproar. We have got fewer than a dozen cards, letters and e-mails. The American public is not engaged in this. But the senator keeps trying to stir it up. And I can appreciate that. But he's in Connecticut. We are in Texas. And his values don't fly here.
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LEMON: All right. So let's talk now with CNN's national correspondent Susan Candiotti, standing by for us at Texas Motor Speedway, home of tonight's NRA 500.
Susan, what is the latest? What are you hearing there?
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, apparently someone is listening and that someone is NASCAR. NASCAR says, we hear what this controversy is all about and that is that some people are questioning why we approved this race to be sponsored by the NRA.
The negotiations between the NRA and Texas Motor Speedway began before the Newtown massacre. But then just last month, the two groups sealed the deal. And it was up to NASCAR to sign off on it. And it did. It didn't have to.
But because some people are now questioning the timing of all this, given the serious gun debate that's about to begin on Capitol Hill, as well as some people saying that it's insensitive to some of the Newtown families, that's why NASCAR is now saying, you know, we're going to take a closer look at the way we go about approving sponsorships.
But for Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut, he still wishes that NASCAR had reconsidered before allowing this race to go through.
SEN. CHRIS MURPHY (D), CONN. They could have found another sponsor for this race. They could have waited until after the debate to have the NRA sponsor a race. It's just really, really poor timing.
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LEMON: So, Susan, how about fans and the people who paid the ticket -- paid for the tickets to see the race? Do they care?
CANDIOTTI: Well, tens of thousands, more than -- about a couple hundred thousand people will be coming here. And for the most part, they care about the race. They said this is an event. This is about family, this is about people getting together. And they say they are not paying attention to the gun debate. They don't care who is sponsoring the race. Here's what some of them told me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think it is insensitive. I think the NRA has every right to sponsor a race or sponsor an event in any state that they see fit.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm a gun supporter. I mean, I feel like it's not the guns that kill people. It's the people that use the guns that kill people. I mean, they are there to protect you. I mean, we have one at home. And I just feel like they are our right to have.
CANDIOTTI: And in fact, at the end of this race it's tradition, Don, for the winner to be given a couple of revolvers and to fire off blanks. And he's given a cowboy hat. And that's just the way it's done here and they are going to do it again this year.
Senator Murphy again thinks that it's not the right time to be doing this in this country, given what just happened four months ago. But the race will go on. And fans here are here to have a good time. LEMON: All right, Susan. Thank you very much. We appreciate it.
We have this just in to CNN. It's pretty gruesome, 63-year-old man set on fire inside his SUV. Take a look at the pictures now.
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LEMON (voice-over): Look at that. Police in North Beach, California, say a man walked up and tossed flammable liquid through the SUV window last night. This happened outside a convenience store. You see it right outside the 7-11 there.
A good Samaritan helped the burning man get out of this car. He's in critical condition with burns on most of his body. Can you imagine?
Police captured a suspect and booked him on attempted murder charges. Residents say the suspect is a transient who frequently hangs out near the convenience store. Police say the two men do not know each other.
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LEMON: Wow.
One of the NBA's biggest and best players -- seriously hurt. And for the Lakers and for their fans the news just got worse. Kobe Bryant is going to be out for quite a while. That plus we are live from the Masters next.
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LEMON: OK, basketball fans. One of the best basketball players in the NBA history will be on the shelf for six to nine months.
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LEMON (voice-over): The L.A. Lakers' Kobe Bryant tore his Achilles tendon in a play that he said he's made a million times. Kobe, he vented about it on Facebook. Similar injuries have ended the careers of other great players.
An Achilles injury --- man.
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LEMON: That's bad. Most weekends, you know, Bryant's injury would be the biggest sports story around. And we'll talk more about that in a minute.
But today sports fans are focused on golf's Masters and the controversial call that could cost Tiger Woods the title even though it is his own fault.
CNN's Rachel Nichols now joins us from Augusta, Georgia, with more.
Not quite as windy today as when we talked yesterday, Rachel. You have been talking to people in Augusta, though. Do most people think that Woods should have withdrawn after misinterpreting a rule?
RACHEL NICHOLS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's a complicated situation. He plunked a ball into the water yesterday on 15. Look, we have all done it. I can't do most of the things Tiger Woods can do, but I can do that on the golf course. And what I do afterward is take a drop. But millions of people aren't watching me do it. And that's what happened to Tiger.
He took a drop after plunking his ball in the water, and this TV viewer actually called in to the Augusta Country Club just on the main switchboard and said that they think Tiger violated the rules by dropping that ball too far from his original shot.
So the officials looked at it while Tiger was still on the course. They said that they thought that he did nothing wrong. He was allowed to sign his score card.
But in the intervening hours they decide that, in fact, they did make a mistake. And so did Tiger. So they called him in this morning, they had another chat about it. They decided to assess him this two- stroke penalty. Now some people, including some golfers have said he should have just been disqualified or even worse, disqualified himself, because he did do something wrong.
David Duvall, a long-time rival of Tiger's on this tour, said that he did think Tiger earned a disqualification. And Nick Faldo, a three- time Masters champion, was very vocal on TV this morning, saying that Tiger should do, quote, "the manly thing and disqualify himself." Now Faldo has backtracked off that statement quite a bit, saying he now understands what happened.
But, you know, there's going to be controversy over this for quite some time. That beep, beep, beep sound you may hear, though, that's some of the Masters people backing off.
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NICHOLS: You know how that goes.
LEMON: Beep, beep, beep. Wait a minute, I take that back. Let me back up a little bit.
So how's Tiger today, Rachel?
NICHOLS: Well, you know, he's making a little bit of progress. Bu there were not -- you know, it's put in a tough position, even though he is one up -- one -- he is ahead one on the day. Really hard when you are starting from five back instead of three back, which he was.
In fact, because he did actually hit the flag stick and go into the water on that shot to begin with, if none of that had happened on that one hole yesterday, he would be only one stroke off the lead right now. Instead, he's got a long way to go if he's going to try to win this tournament by the end of the day tomorrow. We'll have to see what happens.
LEMON: Hey, I got to ask you, Rachel; I want to switch gears here. I know you were out on the links.
But let's talk about basketball. I want to talk about Kobe Bryant's injury. You know, I said just before I came to you, this same injury has ended many -- it has ended a number of careers. Is it too pessimistic to think that it could end his career, that his career might be over because of this?
NICHOLS: Well, Kobe's 34 years old. There's a lot of athletes that, if they had this kind of injury at this point in their career, they would just say, you know what, I am done. But that doesn't seem to be Kobe. In fact, I want to show you a picture right now.
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NICHOLS (voice-over): He was sending this out over social media, saying this is him going into surgery just a little bit over an hour and a half ago. He's already taking the steps to repair this. And if you want insight into his state of mind, this is what he posted on Facebook in the middle of the night last night, which he admits was fueled by a little Vicodin, but still, it's great insight into his mind state.
He says, "The frustration is unbearable. The anger is rage. Now I'm supposed to come back from this and be the same player or better at 35? How in the world am I supposed to do that? I have no clue. Maybe Father Time has defeated me. Then again, maybe not. It's 3:30 am. My foot feels like dead weight.
"But stop feeling sorry for yourself. Find the silver lining. Get to work with the same belief. We don't quit. We don't cower. We don't run. We endure and conquer."
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NICHOLS: Certainly strong words from Kobe. The Lakers came out today and said that he will be out six to nine months, but make no mistake. He said that he will be back.
LEMON: Vicodin, I'll say, existential stream of consciousness. It's either that or vodka. Thank you.
NICHOLS: Hey.
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LEMON: Whatever it takes.
NICHOLS: I'm going to leave you -- I'm going to leave you to that one.
LEMON: Thank you, Rachel. Appreciate it.
We hope he gets better. All right. Young teen girls who took their own lives, their stories eerily similar. And as awful as it is, it's a story unbelievably that is becoming more and more familiar. It's next.
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LEMON: What's wrong with us? What happened? If what we are being told is true the depravity of those involved in these next stories is almost unbearable.
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LEMON (voice-over): The funeral was today for a 17-year-old Canadian girl who hanged herself. Her family says she was raped by four boys after becoming intoxicated at a party and that photos of the assault were posted online. The bullying, the mocking by classmates was too much for Rehtaeh Parsons. She took her own life.
Another case in California, a 15-year-old, Audrie Pott, also hanged herself after an alleged sexual assault. And prosecutors say she passed out at a party, assaulted, photographed and again those photos posted on social media.
My goodness. Wendy Walsh joins me.
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LEMON: Wendy, you know, some arrests have been made in California. None yet in Canada. But what is going on here?
WENDY WALSH, HUMAN BEHAVIOR EXPERT: You know, it's a kitchen sink full of influences here. We are talking about young teenage boys, who tend to not be showing a lot of compassion anymore.
We have taken prayer out of the schools but we haven't replaced it any other kind of moral teaching. Then you talk about the gender question. Research shows that young men and boys and teenagers believe that women have a greater comfort level with sexual activity than women report they do. So the guys are thinking it's fun. Maybe they're posting these pictures because of male bravado, not necessarily to shame them, but to brag about their conquests.
Anyway, again, the Internet and people not understanding the emotional consequences of digital typing, and then you just add the whole culture that we are in. It's so sexual with TV and film, and songs.
LEMON: Yes. So, OK, good. Let's talk more about that. So it sounds like when we are growing up -- but, some of it, this is bad education, coming from movies or today's music or you said even movies and just the media culture.
WALSH: You know, Don, I tried an experiment. And I'd suggest every parent out there in America do it one time.
I went out for a jog and I needed a small, little iPod so I took the little one that belonged to my 14-year-old daughter. And I pressed the 25 most played song list.
And you want to see what your voice is up against? Parents, listen to the lyrics in those songs. There is not one lyric about love, romance. In fact, one says -- a woman says I don't want romance. I want to see what's in your pants. That's a rhyme apparently. So what's happening is these sexual messages are going into our adolescents' heads. They are not getting relationship training. They're not getting emotional skills training. They're not getting training about compassion. And again, we've -- since people are not following religion any more in America, we don't have -- we haven't replaced it with an important outlet for moral teaching. Add that to the Internet, you got a big problem.
LEMON: Yes. You bring a very good point. I remember when my nieces were young and they would listen to certain music. And I would say they shouldn't listening to that music at that age. And their parents were like, oh, it's just what kids are listening to right now.
So should young people or, you know, who are putting this stuff in their ears, should the parents look at restricting that, banning it outright? Or can that do more damage than good?
WALSH: Well, that's the problem. I mean, you want your kid to be able to handle themselves within the culture. So obviously, for small children you want to ban, you want to restrict, et cetera. Once they become an adolescent, don't let them hook into those headsets and ignore you.
I'm sorry, parents, but you have got to become their Facebook friend, their Twitter follower. You've going to watch the TV shows with them; you've got to listen to the music with them so you can have conversations about what the morals are in your family, what your values are and explain to them why this song bothers you, not in -- not just, oh, turn that nonsense off; it's terrible, but how about, OK, so look what they are singing about right now. They are talking about getting together without ever even dating or being a boyfriend. And that could hurt.
LEMON: OK, Wendy.
WALSH: So you got to be in it with them.
LEMON: OK. When I was a kid, though, my mom and dad would just say, turn that you-know-what off. Why? Because I said so.
WALSH: Of course.
LEMON: That's not good enough anymore?
WALSH: Well, when you're 8 or 9, that makes sense. But good luck saying that to a 15-year old.
LEMON: All right. Thank you, Wendy.
Wendy Walsh's new book, by the way, is called "30-Day Love Detox." Again, thanks to Wendy Walsh. What is the state of black America? The head of the National Urban League is here with the answers next.
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LEMON: We do this every year and it is interesting to see the progress or regression. At first glance, African-Americans have enjoyed great success after the past 50 years. For starters, there have been double-digit gains in education, education and wealth since the 1963 march on Washington. But a National Urban League report finds major gaps remain between blacks and whites. The income gap is 60 percent, down seven points since 1963. The unemployment rate gap is still 52 percent, down by just six points in half a century. It's down. It should be up.
My friend here is Marc Morial, president of the National Urban League.
We should be getting better. We should be getting better at this.
He just released "Redeem the Dream," the Leagues Annual State of Black America report.
Good to see you.
MARC MORIAL, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL URBAN LEAGUE: Good to be with you, Don.
LEMON: We should be getting better. There shouldn't be small gains. It should be large gains when you think about how far we have come.
MORIAL: You know, it's a two-sided coin, a tale of two cities. Because while there's been progress, the gap between African-Americans and whites, between whites and Latinos remains large, particularly when it comes to economics, income, wealth, home ownership, business formation levels.
What it does is it points to the challenge ahead. It points to the unfinished work. It points to what we need to do in a nation in the next generation or two.
I might add that this year we were armed with solution. We walked Capitol Hill this Wednesday and Thursday, visiting members of Congress, talking about two new bills, the Urban Jobs Act and the Project-Ready STEM Act. We think it's important to not only be diagnostic but to offer changes and solutions.
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MORIAL: We also brought the message of people from communities across the nation who want Congress, want the administration, want a continued emphasis on job creation and economic expansion.
LEMON: Let's stick with that, about programs and the administration. The president has released his new budget, Mr. Morial, criticized by the right and left, proposed some entitlement reforms, which would mean reductions in Social Security and Medicare. What do you think it does to the state of black America?
MORIAL: Let me say to you that the president's budget -- what people in the media miss is some very significant proposals by the president, like the expansion of early childhood education, the proposal to create 20 promised zones for areas of high poverty and unemployment, like an unprecedented commitment to job training and increasing manufacturing jobs. That got missed in much of the coverage. You can discuss entitlement reform. That's an opening salvo by the president and an on-going debate. But what I think is that President Obama heard many of the suggestions by the National Urban League and many of us about the need for emphasis, the need for targeted policies. So we welcome a greater conversation about some of the very important things that were contained in his budget.
LEMON: By your report, how do you fill about what you see, glass half full, empty? Are you optimistic?
MORIAL: What really concerns me is the ground we lost due to the recession.
LEMON: Housing.
MORIAL: The home ownership declines, unemployment rate increases. The number of young people coming out of colleges, even with a college degree, who can't find a job in their field of study. That concerns me.
What I don't think we can do as a nation is say the, quote, "recession," while technically over, the jobs recession, the pain in communities is not yet over. I'm concerned that too much budget- cutting fever could lead to a relapse of economic pneumonia. There has to be a continual focus on job creation and while building a fiscal plan for the nation. That's critical. That's the voice I think, of sometimes the voiceless Americans. We need jobs, growth, economic expansion.
LEMON: Marc Morial, president of the National Urban League. It's always a pleasure. Thank you, sir.
MORIAL: Great to see you, Don.
LEMON: Good to see you as well.
Don't talk about cheating the IRS in an e-mail. The agency can read them without your permission. We are talking about that and other legal matters, coming up.
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BRUNO SERATO, CHEF: Who likes pasta?
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Every night Chef Bruno Serato serves three meals to 300 motel kids in Anaheim, California. It's work he was honored for in 2011 as a top-10 "CNN Hero."
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SERATO: It was the most amazing moment in my life. After the CNN show, lots of people call me, what can we do for you?
COOPER: But it was Bruno who wanted to do to more to help families living in motels.
SERATO: It's that moment, because I know where they go back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, you guys all share those markers. Sit right here and color.
COOPER: It's a hard life to escape. Just ask the Gutierrez family who lived in a motel with their five children for more than a year.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is our living room/bedrooms. And then the rest of them sleep on this bed.
He got laid off. I started working just a month ago. It's really hard for us to save up to get into actual home.
SERATO: I came over to say, let's pay this.
COOPER: By providing rent and deposit, Bruno helps families leave the motel life for good.
Working with a local nonprofit, 29 families have now gotten a fresh start in a home of their own.
SERATO: What do you think?
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: I love it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The kids just ran around, explored, found their room.
SERATO: This is yours?
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: Yes. That's mine.
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SERATO: My heart is filled with joy.
We're putting back people to their own homes.
COOPER: Bruno hopes to move 70 more families by the end of the year. A "CNN Hero" with a new recipe for helping others.
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Bruno hopes to move 70 more families by the end of the year. It's a new recipe for helping others.
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LEMON: Dust off your old school maps and your atlases. A California court ruled this week that checking the GPS on your Smartphone is just as dangerous as texting while driving, therefore, illegal. Surprised? Here's something that will really shock you. See all the states in red there. According to cars.com, a windshield-mounted GPS or mapping on your Smartphone is illegal there as well. It's 27 states in all. That number is growing.
I want to bring in Holly Hughes now, a criminal defense attorney. She knows everything.
It's phones, GPS. What's next? You won't be able to listen to your radio? I mean --
HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY & FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, I wouldn't be surprised. But what you're going to see is a little bit of a backlash here, Don. The makers of all these GPA products probably have a big lobby and will go to the lawmakers in Washington and say, OK, this is getting ridiculous.
But what the court said in California is they don't want you touching anything, but if you're got one that you can speak through wirelessly that's wired through your car radio that you can talk to and give commands, that's OK. Not as harsh as it sounds. It's not like we are outlawing GPS. The reasoning was if you have to touch a phone in order to change the direction, input a different location, that's as dangerous because it's just as distracting as texting.
LEMON: You are supposed to pull over anyway or do it before you start.
HUGHES: That's what they would like you to do. Yes, that would be the safest.
LEMON: OK, OK.
I want to get your take on another story that we've been talking about. The ACLU obtained internal IRS documents that say they can search your e-mail, your Facebook and other electronic communications any time they want to without a search warrant. If needed, they can use the information against you.
How can they be allowed to do that?
HUGHES: It has to do with your expectations and the IRS.
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HUGHES: They are a federal agency. What people don't realize is they are an investigatory or law enforcement agency. They can conduct criminal investigations. What they're saying is this has to do with right to privacy. And if you are putting e-mail out there on a server -- we all have to use what we call ISP, Internet service providers, Google, Apple, Gmail. They say it ruins your expectation of privacy because you are allowing a third party access to it. If it's sitting on the server of your ISP for more than 180 days, they figure, hey, you don't expect it to be private. They can go in there, take it and use it any time they want.
But I will say this. Of course, all of the ISPs, Internet service providers, are fighting this. If they get an administrative memo saying we want your customer information, they are sending out legal teams to say, no, get a warrant, you can't do this. Right now, it's set for the sixth circuit, which is Ohio, Michigan, Tennessee and Kentucky. They are the only circuit court of appeals that have said you need a warrant. But if you are anywhere else in the United States, they can get your stuff.
LEMON: I'm sending an e-mail blast to all of my contacts saying, I love the IRS. It's amazing.
HUGHES: That's exactly right, yes. Proactive. Be proactive, Don Lemon.
LEMON: Thank you, Holly. Appreciate it.
HUGHES: Thanks.
LEMON: Disturbing video to show you from Lincoln, Nebraska. A bus driver attacks a passenger. We'll tell you what sparked the violence and what happened next.
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LEMON: Shocking video of Lincoln, Nebraska, has landed a public bus driver in legal trouble. Security video shows an unidentified passenger suddenly attacked by the driver after asking a question about the bus route. The driver pummels the man with more than a dozen blows, then drags the man off the bus and leaves. Afterwards, the 43-year-old driver, Troy Fisher, informs his supervisors that he threw an unruly passenger off the bus, adding it wasn't pretty. He then asks his supervisor not to watch the video, and asks if it can be erased. Fisher was cited with misdemeanor assault and fired from his job. Straight ahead, we wanted to know how hard or easy it is to buy a gun at a gun show, so we sent a crew to three states to find out.
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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: The sun is up, stocks are up, what could go wrong?
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ROMANS: The Go-Goes said it best in the '80s, "It's time for bathing suits, beaches, boating and selling stocks." Yes, we are headed into traditionally the worst six months for the stock market, May through October. Thus, that old Wall Street adage, "Sell in May and go away."
SAM STOVALL, CHIEF EQUITY STRATEGIST, S&P CAPITAL IQ: The market has outperformed itself, November through April, compared with May through October, almost 75 percent of the time. So it's averages plus batting averages that cause people to say, you know what, in the summer investors focus more on their tans.
ROMANS: This batting average is high. Since about 1950, from November to April, the S&P 500 gained 1400 points. In May through October, it's lost 97 points.
STOVALL: History says but doesn't guarantee we'll probably advance another 3 percent before stumbling from exhaustion like the messenger from Marathon.
ROMANS: The most recent marathon took the S&P 500 to record highs.
(on camera): Close your eyes and buy the highs?
STOVALL: Well, actually, I was thinking of a song called "Close Your Eyes."
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ROMANS (voice-over): So if you decide to sell this May, think twice before going too far away.
Christine Romans, CNN, New York.
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LEMON: We heard a lot about the so-called gun show loophole. What does it look like up close?
Our Martin Savidge and a CNN crew hit the road last weekend to find out.
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a simple idea, just how easily can you buy a gun at a gun show? So a CNN crew took a weekend drive 600 miles with a pocket full of cash hitting five gun shows in three states, Tennessee, South Carolina and Georgia.
First up, north Georgia. The venue is small and the selection limited.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There weren't a lot of vendors. There wasn't a lot of product out there for people to buy.
SAVIDGE: Next, the crew went to Saturday morning local gun show held in a convention center. It was a Smith and Wesson M.P. semiautomatic that first caught our producer's eye. Asking price $625.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a nice one. It's not brand spanking new.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Make me an offer. Cash and carry, or do I have to fill out any paperwork for it?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cash and carry.
SAVIDGE: But it's early. And the team opts to keep looking. 10 to 20 minutes later, they circle back to the same table negotiating for the same gun.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 500 hundred for that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This one?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, box it up?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Box it up.
SAVIDGE: It's a deal. No background check. It's not needed for a private sale. But the seller is legally required to check I.D., like a driver's license, to make sure the buyer is not from out of state. In this case, no identification asked for, no paperwork, not even a question like, what are you going to do with it. In fact, neither the seller nor buyer even used a first name.
And if that's not surprising enough, listen to what the seller said he got the gun.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got that off of a police officer yesterday.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
SAVIDGE: That's right. He got it from a police officer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anyway you'd part with both of these for a thousand?
SAVIDGE: It was so easy, the next time, the team decided to up the ante.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Umm, probably not at this point, by now. That one right there's very, very new.
SAVIDGE: This time, they see two 9-millimeter semiautomatic handguns, Glock 17s. Asking price for the pair is $1,100. The producer offers a flat $1,000. That's rejected. The next bid of $1050 prompts a phone call.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see what he says. One of them is his. One is mine.
SAVIDGE: In fact, in all of the deals the team paid less than the asking price.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. We can do $1050.
SAVIDGE: The producer boxes the guns in their carrying cases and heads for the door. Again, no names, no I.D., no paperwork, not even a receipt. Total time at the gun show, 45 minutes. $1,650 spent. Three semiautomatic handguns purchased.
Incidentally, because there's no paper trail, none of these weapons can be traced to the buyer.
Later, the same day, in Greenville, South Carolina, and it's the biggest show of the five our team attended. After wandering the floor, our producer spots this gentleman carrying a semiautomatic on his shoulder. Asking price, $1,200.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The strap doesn't come with it. That's for my .22.
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I just moved it over.
SAVIDGE: The Bushmaster X.M. 15, as its known, is a semiautomatic only civilian version of the M-16 U.S. military rifle first introduced in the Vietnam War and still used by U.S. troops today.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have it out in the car?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's out in the car. I just didn't want to carry it all around. I brought it to a gun show a couple weeks ago in Columbia, and the case this big and bulky and there were so many people in there I kept banging people, and that's why I didn't bring it with me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 5.56?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Either one, the 223 or the 5.56.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any way you'd go down 50 bucks?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I can go down $50.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. You want to walk out and I'll pay you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure. Let's do it.
SAVIDGE: The seller takes our offer of $1,150. From first conversation to settling a price takes just 70 seconds.
Out in front of the convention center, the money is exchanged, and the rifle, complete with case, is handed over. Our team walks away with a variation of the same weapon used in the deadly Sandy Hook shooting. Again, no questions asked.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's the case. And there's the gun. And there's the clip.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 50.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Thank you very much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Appreciate it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
SAVIDGE: We should make clear that there were three instances, one in each state, where the team was asked for I.D., including during this potential sale in Tennessee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Georgia.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I have to have a Tennessee license?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to have a Tennessee license for a private seller.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you sure do, you do.
I know he would like to sell it.
SAVIDGE: Without proof of residency, the seller refuses the deal and our team walks away.
Our total weekend weapon haul is three semiautomatic handguns with extra magazines and one semiautomatic rifle with a 30-round magazine. Total spent $2,800. All done without showing any identification, without filling out a single form, not even so much as a name exchanged. The team now has a small arsenal which can never be traced.
Martin Savidge, CNN, Atlanta.
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LEMON: I'm Don Lemon at the CNN world headquarters in Atlanta. See you back here one hour from now.
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