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Jodi Arias Pleads for Mercy
Aired May 21, 2013 - 20:00 ET
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JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: Throughout this trial, I`ve avoided looking at Travis`s family for a variety of reasons that I won`t go into. I never meant to cause him so much pain.
Travis was the glue to their family. I caused that pain. I`ve caused them to hurt that way.
I got on TV and I lied. I lied about what I did, and I lied about the nature of my relationship with Travis.
JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: We are asking you to find that Jodi`s life is worth saving.
JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: You can`t forget what happened on June 4th of 2008.
Travis Victor Alexander suffered immense physical pain.
ARIAS: I loved Travis, and I looked up to him. At one point, he was the world to me. I`m not going to become a mother because of my own terrible choices. I`ve had to lay that dream to rest, and I have no one to blame but myself. I didn`t want to drag out Travis`s skeletons or mine and explain my experiences with him. I didn`t want to unveil all of those ugly text messages and e-mails and that awful tape.
WILLMOTT: Mercy is the highest attribute.
ARIAS: This is the worst mistake of my life. This is the worst thing I`ve ever done. Before that day, I wouldn`t even want to harm a spider.
Life in prison was the most unappealing outcome I could possibly think of. The people who will hurt the most are my family. I`m asking you, please, please don`t do that to them.
WILLMOTT: She still has value in her life. And sentence her to a term of life in prison. Thank you.
MARTINEZ: The only thing you can do, based on the mitigating circumstances and their lack of, is to return a verdict of death. Thank you.
ARIAS: I want everyone`s healing to begin. And I want...
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. We are in a verdict watch here at HLN, Jodi Arias on the stand, pleading, begging for the mercy she refused her own lover, Travis Alexander, when she slashed him to death. Why? Claiming she`s a survivor, Arias tells the jury, unlike Travis, that she should live. Why? Because Arias plans to start a recycling program and a book club behind bars.
Now, just after Arias begs for mercy, she promptly demands hair and makeup and sets up a string of TV satellite interviews from behind bars. To do what, promote her new book and movie?
We are live and taking your calls. And yes, you heard me right. Just after she gives that plea to the jury, she walks through the door and sets up a string, a satellite TV tour, interviews with big names, "48 Hours," NBC -- I can`t even remember who all she is giving interviews. Of course, she first demands hair and makeup before these interviews. So it`s still the Jodi Arias show right down to the bitter end.
I just want to show you a portion. Here`s Jodi Arias suggesting to the jury that she, not Travis, is the victim, that she has survived. Roll it, Liz.
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ARIAS: There`s a higher rate of illiteracy in prison than in everyday society. I know that reading has enriched my life by expanding my knowledge base and opening my eyes to new worlds and different cultures. I can help other women become literate so that they, too, can add that dimension to their lives.
Along the lines of literacy, I`d like to start a book club or a reading group, something that brings people together in a positive and constructive way so that we can share and recommend other good books and stimulate discussions of a higher nature.
Additionally, I`ve designed a T-shirt. This is the T-shirt, of which 100 percent of the proceeds go to support non-profit organizations which also assist other victims of domestic violence. Some people may not believe that I am a survivor of domestic violence...
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GRACE: Did you see the T-shirt? Let`s go straight out to Jean Casarez. We`re all camped outside the courthouse. Jean Casarez, not only that, her plea to the jury was for mercy because she was going to start a recycling program?
JEAN CASAREZ, HLN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, I think the headline here is, Nancy, that. And she asked the jury to spare her life. She said she wants to live. And it was really for two reasons. Number one, for her family. And she actually turned in that courtroom and just demonstrated with her hands her family that has been sitting there. That`s why she doesn`t want to die. She doesn`t want them to go through that.
And then also, she believes that she can do good in prison for other women. She didn`t say it, but some women do get out of prison and go back into life. She wants to teach reading, linguistics, sign language, reading comprehension, a recycling program that could give women jobs in prison instead of having things go to the landfill. And she wants a book club so women can think a little bit deeper as they read books and focus on other issues.
GRACE: OK. Here`s another thing that really struck me. As you will recall, right after the jury hands down a murder one conviction -- you know, history`s repeating itself here, everybody, because right after the jury hands down a murder one conviction, Arias walks out the side of the courtroom from the defense table. She immediately plops down for a tell- all interview with lights and camera.
Now, that was just last week. But when she was speaking to the jury in the last hour, she says, Since I made that, you know, I`ve had time to regain perspective. It`s only been a few days! Take a listen to this.
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ARIAS: I`ve made many public statements that I would prefer the death penalty to life in prison. Each time I said that, though I meant it, I lacked perspective. Until very recently, I could not have imagined standing before...
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GRACE: OK, back to you, Jean Casarez, joining us at the courthouse. Beth Karas with U.S., also. To Matt Zarrell, also on the story -- lacked perspective? It just happened last week.
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, Nancy. And not only that, but this has gone back as far as 2008. She has said in TV interviews that she prefers the death penalty over life. So for five years, she felt that she wanted death over life. But within days of saying that she was found guilty of murder, now all of a sudden, just days later, after five years, now she has perspective.
GRACE: You know, take a look at the audience listening to her speak. Could you show that again, Liz, please?
Jean, how is the audience listening -- how did they react to Jodi Arias claiming she should live because she`s going to start a recycling program and a book club?
CASAREZ: You know, Nancy, I`m sitting behind the Alexander family, so I couldn`t see their facial expressions. But it was a packed courtroom. There wasn`t a seat in the room. And I looked at the jury -- same expressions on their face that I see every time I look at the jury. They didn`t make a facial expression at all, just focus. They were listening, though.
GRACE: Everyone, we are live, camped out in front of the courthouse. We are in a verdict watch here at HLN. You know, the evidence clearly spoke -- clearly screamed out for a murder one conviction. But the penalty phase is entirely subjected to this jury.
Now, the judge cannot overrule the jury`s decision. However, if this jury gives Jodi Arias life, it is up to the judge to determine, is that life or life without parole? If she decides to go with life, Jodi Arias can walk in about 20 years for behavior, good behavior behind bars, walk in 20 years. So I don`t know that the jury fully comprehends that.
Out to you, Jean Casarez. Martinez...
CASAREZ: They do.
GRACE: ... tried to tell the jury...
GRACE: -- tried to explain it to the jury, and then Willmott, the defense attorney, actually got mad when Martinez explained the law.
CASAREZ: But he got it in, Nancy.
GRACE: He did.
CASAREZ: Why? Because it was in the jury questionnaire, and he got it in that life can be 25 years and you need to remember that. But then Willmott, when she came back for rebuttal close, said, You are not to consider that, and she said it`s been eons since anybody got out in 25 years. Objection by the prosecution, but Willmott got that in.
GRACE: Yes. I know the statute says 25, but given the time she`s already served, when you do the math, she could walk in 20 years. She would still be a young woman.
Everybody, we are live and taking your calls. With me now, along with Jean Casarez and Matt Zarrell, Beth Karas joining us. Beth, what was the reaction in the courtroom to Jodi Arias claiming she wants mercy? She never came out and said, I did it. I did it. It was horrific. I don`t deserve to live. Please give me the mercy. I did not show (ph) Travis.
She never came out just plainly saying that. And I`m interested in how everyone reacted to it in the courtroom.
BETH KARAS, HLN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, people were really curious -- not the jury, of course, but the rest of us -- about what she was going to say. Would she ask for death, as she did 20 minutes after -- or basically, she asked for it 20 minutes after the first degree murder verdict?
But see, the jury doesn`t know that she spoke to the local reporter, right? They only know that she said early on, when she was first arrested, you know, If I ever hurt Travis, I`d beg for the death penalty, and no jury would ever convict me. Those statements were all early on in 2008.
So she was able to get away with, I`ve gotten perspective since then, the last four-and-a-half years. They don`t know that on May 8th, she spoke to Troy Hayden.
GRACE: Four years? It was just last week!
KARAS: Right. Well, it was just a few -- you know, less than 12 days ago. So in any event, people were surprised, I guess, that, you know, here she is, we know everything she said, that she`s now saying, I want to live, and here`s all the things I can do in prison. I can actually help people make their lives a little better, even if I`ll never be free again. I want to do it for my family.
I`m not sure if that really appealed to the jurors. But the point about the T-shirt was interesting because she said 100 percent of the proceeds will go to domestic violence victims. Not so, according to her Web site.
GRACE: Yes, you`re right. You`re right, Beth Karas. And very quickly, Matt Zarrell, what`s this about her demanding hair and makeup to do a satellite TV tour? Right now, she`s trying to do a TV tour, and she`s got some bigs. She`s got, like, "48 Hours." Who`s doing interviews with her?
ZARRELL: She`s got a number of interviews, ABC, NBC, Fox, a number of outlets have all been granted interviews. "The Arizona Republic`s" also going to talk to her. And the jail has confirmed that Arias requested make-up before the interviews, just like she did, Nancy, when she was arrested. Remember, when she was arrested in July of 2008, she asked the police officer if she could get her makeup first before her booking photo.
GRACE: You know, Matt, I love that you know all the fine details.
Everyone, joining me right now is a very special guest. He is joining us. He is breaking his silence. And I have long wanted to speak to him. With me is Enrique Cortez, joining us at the courthouse. He is a dear friend and was a roommate of Travis Alexander`s. He was in the home when Travis`s body was found upstairs.
Enrique, thank you for being with us.
ENRIQUE CORTEZ, ROOMMATE OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Thank you for having me.
GRACE: I`d like to find out -- I want to start at the beginning. I don`t want to start with what`s happening in court and the brouhaha surrounding Jodi Arias. I want to bring it back to Travis Alexander and the night that his dead body was found upstairs. What happened that evening?
CORTEZ: Well, that evening, I was actually getting ready for bed when Travis was found. Mimi Hall (ph) and Michelle Lowrey (ph) and another person had come over. They were looking for answers as to where Travis has been because he wasn`t returning phone calls. They found my other roommate, Zach Billings (ph), in his room with his girlfriend, just listening to music or watching a movie or something.
And so while all this is going on, I`m just taking a shower, getting ready for bed. I`m in my room. And then as I was getting ready to go to bed in my room, that was when Zach had opened the door and said that we need to actually get out of the house. The police are on their way.
And he`s explaining as we`re going downstairs that -- and he said, You know how we thought that Travis had been away? Well, he`s actually been in his bathroom this whole time, and he`s dead. And you know, as he`s telling me this, it`s just a big shock as we`re making our way outside the house, police sirens, all of the responding officers showing up on the scene.
GRACE: Did you have any idea, Enrique, that Travis could have met with foul play, anything to tip you off?
CORTEZ: Well, for him to be dead in the bathroom, that would be one of the first things you would think is, someone had to have done this to him. You know, Travis was a pretty strong guy. It`s not like slipping in the shower could do him in. That`s the first thing you think is, somebody had to have done this to him.
And as we were all at the crime scene, answering the police officers` questions and giving the Mesa PD our statements, all six of us who were at the scene just somehow all pointed the finger at Jodi.
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ARIAS: The boy I grew up with became a family man. He and his wife married in 2010. I wasn`t there to celebrate with them and I wasn`t there to take their pictures. And I have no one to blame but myself. A few weeks before trial, they welcomed this precious little baby into the world. I haven`t met her yet.
Until a few weeks ago, I had huge hopes of becoming part of these girls` lives someday. My nieces are the closest I`ll ever come to motherhood because I`m not going to have children of my own. I`m not going to become a mother. Because of my own terrible choices, I`ve had to lay that dream to rest.
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GRACE: We are on a verdict watch here at HLN as the jury is deliberating life or death for Jodi Arias. Jodi Arias has just taken the witness stand, where she told the jury that she should be granted mercy, unlike her lover, Travis Alexander, whom she slashed to death. Why? She says because she plans to start a recycling program and a book club behind bars.
Also, we learned that straight after she makes this bid to the jury, she lines up a series of satellite TV tour interviews from the jailhouse, even demanding hair and makeup. So if anyone thought that plea was sincere or heartfelt, you know, just think of it with the backdrop of her now in front of the cameras and the lights, giving more self-serving interviews. It`s all about Jodi. In fact, this has been the Jodi Arias show for everyone for some time now. She has been pulling the strings.
But I want you to hear what she told the jury.
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ARIAS: Following my arrest, I wanted so much to avoid trial, not necessarily the outcome, although that`s naturally not something I was looking forward to, but trial, all of the graphic, mortifying, horrific details paraded out into the public arena. Instead I was hoping to go quietly into the night, whether off to prison or the next life.
But with the amount of attention my case received early on, I felt in my ignorance that it was necessary to speak out. I got on TV and I lied. I lied about what I did, and I lied about the nature of my relationship with Travis.
It`s never been my intention to malign his name or character. In fact, it was a goal of mine to preserve his reputation. I didn`t want to drag out Travis`s skeletons or mine and explain my experiences with him.
I didn`t want to unveil all of those ugly text messages and e-mails and that awful tape, all these things which now stand as the public and permanent testimony of the darker aspects of our relationship to 18 strangers, in front of Travis`s family, in front of my family, in front of what feels like the whole world.
It`s never been my intention to throw mud on Travis`s name. When I took the stand, I was obligated to answer the questions posed to me.
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GRACE: Obligated to answer questions. Those were her own questions, questions of her own doing! She gave the lawyers, the defense lawyers, her defense. So all of these questions were her own doing. And even now, in the end, she`s still trashing Travis Alexander.
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ARIAS: My family and I still got together periodically for group portraits. These were taken at a park (INAUDIBLE). In 2010 (INAUDIBLE) this beautiful little girl on the right. The tiny premature baby that I witnessed come into this world now has a baby of her own. I won`t be at my sister`s wedding when she ties the knot next year. And I won`t be her wedding photographer, like we had always talked about.
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GRACE: We are live at the courthouse, bringing you the latest. We are in a verdict watch here at HLN, waiting for the jury to render a decision, life or death for Jodi Arias.
Out to you, Enrique Cortez, Travis`s dear friend, roommate in the home when Travis`s body was found. Even here in the end, as she is speaking to the jury, Enrique, she says she wanted to -- she wanted to avoid the graphic, quote, "horrific, mortifying details" and spare Travis`s reputation, when in fact, it was she herself that made them all up, claims of him being a pedophile and abusing her and beating her. All lies.
She did that all on her own. And in the last words to the jury she has, she brings it up again.
CORTEZ: Yes, even just hearing all this stuff -- I mean, I just believe in Travis. I know he`s a good guy and I know that he is a very loving person. He`s the kind of person who helps.
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ARIAS: When I see his picture, I`m reminded of that quote by Charles Dickens when he said they were the best of times, they were the worst of times.
My hair was past my waist, and I donated it to Locks of Love, the non- profit which creates wigs for cancer patients who`ve lost their hair. If I`m allowed to live in prison, I will continue to donate to that organization for the rest of my life.
I`ve never been to prison. I don`t know from personal experience what it`s like there. But I`m certain that after I arrive, I`ll likely find many other ways in which I can contribute to the women there.
You`ve heard before that I`m an artist. (INAUDIBLE) nature (INAUDIBLE) portraits. (INAUDIBLE) Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Elizabeth Taylor...
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GRACE: Right now we are getting word Arias has arrived at the jail, at the Estrella jail, transported -- I believe we have video of that, transported in an unmarked black van with tinted windows followed by an unmarked white van. Five armed guards escorting her inside. There you see Jodi Arias getting out of the vehicles and going behind bars.
Now, she`s not going straight to her jail cell, everyone. She is going to a special area where she has demanded hair and makeup so she can proceed to give a live satellite TV tour of interviews with a string of TV stations and outlets. There goes Arias. You see her completely surrounded by armed guards.
Now, this is back to Estrella jail where she will stay as the jury decides what to do with Jodi Arias.
Arias brought over by a special crew of armed guards, all assigned to protect Arias.
We are live and taking your calls. Jodi Arias begs for mercy, the mercy she did not show to Travis Alexander. Back to Enrique Cortez, friend and roommate of Travis Alexander, was there in the home when his body was found. Is it true that someone, maybe your girlfriend, noticed Travis`s ring was sitting out, and that was very unusual?
CORTEZ: Yes, there were just a couple of things that in hindsight maybe if we were more aware, we could have put two and two together. For example, the ring, you just mentioned, laying on the kitchen counter. The bathroom light being left on. Just little things like that. In hindsight, are, you know, little red flags. But at the time you just don`t think something like this could ever happen at home. It`s just not something that you really kind of realize there`s something wrong.
GRACE: Enrique, why couldn`t anyone smell his decomposing body?
CORTEZ: Well, it took a while for the odor to even get past the master suite. The house was pretty big, two-story, at least 4,500 square feet. Travis`s bathroom is in the opposite corner from where my bedroom is on that top floor. There`s a great big loft that separates the space between the bedrooms and where the master closet and bathroom are located. It just took time for the smell to even just get past those walls and become noticeable to us.
GRACE: It`s interesting to me, Enrique Cortez, that all six people that were in the home at the time, in one capacity or another, pointed the finger at Jodi Arias, including you. Why did you think Arias was involved, even that night?
CORTEZ: You know, friends just told me just what she was like and a little about their relationship. That`s all there really was to it. It was just the first thing that came to mind.
GRACE: What do you mean by that? Told you what?
CORTEZ: Friends just told me, like, how she snuck into the house or that was where I heard the tire-slashing story for Travis and Lisa Andrews.
GRACE: Everyone, we are live and taking your calls. Out to Aaron Brehove, body language expert, author of "Knack Body Language." Aaron, what do you make of her presentation in front of the jury?
BREHOVE: Well, as you can see, what Jodi does, very odd. Always she`s got a lot of acting. She thinks she`s doing a great job. And we all know she`s a liar. She`s a liar. She`s a murderer. But what she does here, while we know she`s lying, let`s analyze and let`s look at the body language as to why we know she`s lying here, and how we know that she`s not being genuine.
When she goes through, she`s giving her talk, and she`s very emotional. You can hear it in her voice. But then she says something about a slide. That is -- it`s a backwards slide. She is very emotional. And then she says, by the way, this slide is backwards, and then back to this emotion. People with genuine emotions don`t easily go out of that genuine emotion and then back to that emotion. It`s not something that`s done, it`s not something that normal people do. While she`s not normal, it`s just a little bit more of her B.S. that she`s piling on. And she refused to be genuine here. And we`re seeing more of what we`ve seen this entire trial, this entire time with these interviews.
GRACE: You know, you`re right. And I didn`t even catch that. And all of this always reminds me of the time around the murder of my fiance, and I could hardly speak and much less point out that a slide was crooked. And I didn`t even notice that, Aaron Brehove. You`re absolutely right.
To Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids foundation. You listened to your daughter, Polly`s, killer speak in court, which I know must have been excruciating, if not made you so mad you couldn`t stand it. I`d like to hear your impression of Arias today.
KLAAS: Well, Nancy, I mean, I think all of this nonsense will end soon. This was the most tone-deaf testimony I`ve ever heard in my life. Her job today was to somehow humanize herself in front of the jury so that they would show a little mercy on her. But I think what she did is she alienated them even more by her clinical dissertation of all of the things that she would do. She had an opportunity to turn to Travis`s family and beg their forgiveness. And she didn`t even come close to doing that. And there were so many I, I, I`s during her testimony that it became ay-ay-ay. I think she`s going down for the count, and I don`t think she did herself any favors at all today.
GRACE: And you know, I was watching Nurmi. He did not give the closing statement. Let`s go to the lawyers. Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Ken Padowitz, Miami. Renee Rockwell, veteran defense attorney out of Atlanta, and Randy Kessler, past chair of the family law section of the American Bar Association.
OK, first of all, to you, Renee. This was her chance to literally get down on her knees and face his family and say, please forgive me. Don`t send me to my grave without saying you`ll at least consider forgiving me. I am sorry. You know, but that`s not what we heard. A recycling program, Renee? A recycling program? A book club?
RENEE ROCKWELL, ATTORNEY: It was pitiful, but it was so pitiful that maybe one of those jurors may think this girl hasn`t even gotten a clue what she`s gotten herself into. And Nancy, it might be enough --
GRACE: You know what, Renee --
ROCKWELL: Her reading off that ridiculous list of stuff that she can do, it might be enough to at least have one juror say, I`m going to hang it. And I`m not voting for death.
GRACE: I don`t know why you`re saying she doesn`t know what she`s gotten herself into it, because even in her own testimony, Kessler, she says she`s driving through the desert in a haze and looks down at her hands are covered. They`re caked with dried blood all up under her fingernails. That should have been a hint right then. You just murdered your lover. Don`t tell me she didn`t know what she did.
KESSLER: She`s playing to the jury. She doesn`t know, and we don`t know what the jury`s preconceptions are. The jurors are waiting for something. They may be waiting for an apology, or they may be waiting to say why should I let her live? What will she do? She gave them some answers.
GRACE: I don`t know about that. Ken Padowitz, weigh in.
PADOWITZ: This was just pathetic. You have a convicted murderer who`s an admitted pathological liar, and now allegedly an artist of questionable skill. And I say that tongue in cheek, because she`s trying to tell the jury that she should be kept alive, that this is a mitigator because she can paint. It`s just absurd. It`s ridiculous. I think the jury saw through her. And they`re not going to give her credit for these alleged mitigators.
The prosecutor did a great job. There are no mitigators in this case. There are many, many aggravators, and that`s the jury`s job, to go back, look at those aggravators, and render the right verdict. And the prosecutor said it all to the jury.
GRACE: You know, I would have been hard pressed if somebody is literally begging me, begging for mercy, even I would be hard pressed to say no, but that is not what she did today. And I was watching Nurmi. He kept getting further and further and further away from Willmott and Arias seated at that table.
Everybody, we`re taking your calls. Family album, back with your photos. Tonight here are Texas friends, the Proctors (ph), love family time and the TV and keeping up with the news. Share photos at hlntv.com/nancygrace, and click on Nancy`s family album.
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ARIAS: In prison, there are programs I can start and people I can help. My hair was past my waist. And I donated it to Locks of Love, the nonprofit, which creates wigs for cancer patients who have lost their hair. I can help other women become literate so that they, too, can add that dimension to their lives. I`d like to implement a recycling program. Over the years I`ve spent in incarceration, I`ve received many requests from women to teach them Spanish or American sign language. In prison, I will.
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GRACE: We are in a verdict watch here at HLN. Jodi Arias, we thought, was going to beg for mercy, but instead told the jury she should live, that she should get mercy she did not give Travis Alexander so she could start a recycling program and a book club behind bars. Then, just to stir the pot some more and cause Travis Alexander, who she continued to trash -- she says ooh, I hate to keep bringing up that he was a pedophile and he forced anal sex on me, blah, blah, blah. Please. But then again, just to stir the pot, she brings up Travis`s beloved grandmother. Take a listen.
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ARIAS: Throughout this trial, I`ve avoided looking at Travis`s family for a variety of reasons that I won`t go into. But I wondered, where is his grandma? Is she here? I didn`t learn until last week what happened to her. (inaudible) Travis was the glue to their family. Around Thanksgiving not last year, in 2007, Travis called me. He was really upset. He said his grandmother was ill and frail, and that he didn`t know if she was going to make it. He said he didn`t know what his family would do if she didn`t make it because she was the glue to her family. To know now that both are gone and that I may have also inadvertently induced her passing destroys me.
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GRACE: Now, there you`ve got a tiger by the tail, Arias. Because you do not use somebody`s dead grandmother to your benefit after you murder her grandchild. Oh, no, you did not! But yes, she did! She absolutely invoked Travis, after she trashes him again, she invokes his grandmother, who basically died of a broken heart after he was murdered. But hey, flashback. Remember this at trial?
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MARTINEZ: One of the things that you did was that you actually sent Ms. Sarvey irises, right?
MARTINEZ: And you sent her 20 of them, right?
MARTINEZ: And in addition to that, you attached a note, right?
MARTINEZ: And in it, you indicated that she was in your prayers, right?
MARTINEZ: You did this, ma`am. That`s a lie, right? When you say --
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GRACE: Yes. So to add insult to injury, I`ve got to go to a shrink on this. Caryn Stark, she actually invokes the name of Travis Alexander`s dead grandmother. That`s all he had left. He didn`t have a mother or father. He had a grandmother and his siblings. She uses the grandmother to save her own skin? Now, see, that just puts my teeth on edge. Don`t start up about my grandmother or my mother. Huh-uh.
STARK: Nancy, she will use anyone. She will do anything. You`re talking about someone who`s a narcissist and a killer. Pay attention to how she just comes across so flat. It`s called the flat affect. She has no feelings. She`s supposed to be pleading. Did you buy that act? I didn`t buy that act. She`s totally flat and uncaring.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Ken Padowitz, Renee Rockwell, Randy Kessler. Renee, how many times have I heard about your grandmother? How many?
ROCKWELL: The most precious thing in my life. Too many times.
GRACE: I know that. I know that. Did somebody not tell her to use Travis`s grandmother to save her own skin?
ROCKWELL: But Nancy, she did say that she inadvertently caused her death. She`s trying to take a little bit of ownership and responsibility. She`s, like Caryn said, she`s flat, and it might work with the jury. Somebody might say, something`s wrong with this girl. Maybe she was abused. Something`s wrong with her.
GRACE: Abused -- you know what? That`s over. The whole abuse thing is over.
ROCKWELL: I`m not talking about Travis. Maybe when she was young.
GRACE: I know what you`re talking about. Padowitz, Padowitz, she says her mother spanked her with a wooden spoon. I wish I got spanked with a wooden spoon. My grandmother made me go pick a switch to use on my legs if I did something wrong, a switch. Do you know what that is? It`s a little thin limb off of a bush. Those things hurt. That`s over with. I want to hear your response to her invoking Travis`s dead grandmother! After trashing him again.
PADOWITZ: It`s horrible. Listen, I got hit with a wooden spoon as a kid, but what this lady needed to do in front of this jury was turn to the family of her victim, the person she shot in the face, the person she stabbed numerous times, and tell them that she begs for their forgiveness. She didn`t do that, she did not do that at all. And so she missed her best opportunity, and that is why the aggravators here clearly outweigh the mitigators. This jury`s going to see through this lady who`s trying to manipulate them and use the grandmother of the victim.
KESSLER: I don`t think this case weighs on what she said to the jury. People on the jury have to think, can I live with myself if I decide that somebody`s going to die because of my decision? It`s on the jury now. It`s not on Jodi Arias. It`s on the jury. They`ve got a decision to make.
GRACE: You know what? Let`s hear from Marc Klaas. I want to hear what you think about her bringing up Travis`s grandmother.
KLAAS: Well, clearly she took everything that she could and threw it against the wall, hoping that something would stick. This was the most important moment in her life. This was her opportunity to show exactly what she really has, and it turned out she had nothing.
GRACE: Jodi Arias just escorted back into the Estrella jail. Right now we are on a verdict watch here on HLN as we wait for a jury to hand down sentencing, life or death for Jodi Arias. Beth Karas, what`s this business about her demanding hair and makeup to do a satellite TV tour?
KARAS: That`s absolutely true. I was talking to the public information officer, Lisa Allen (ph) of Sheriff Arpaio`s office. And she was the one who was talking to the media in the hallway, while the jury is deliberating, but she had gone back to talk to Jodi and ask her who she wanted to interview with. She had a whole list of people. And Jodi Arias, I saw her notations, crossed off some and wrote OK beside others. And then Lisa Allen said she demanded makeup, and I said really? And she said yes, we had to go out and buy her makeup. So they went to provide her with some makeup for these TV interviews.
GRACE: You know, Jean Casarez, I do not believe the Constitution gives you the right to makeup. OK, I can`t hear you. But if I could read your lips -- go ahead. Now I can.
CASAREZ: All right. Can you hear me now?
CASAREZ: All right, Nancy. I think she`s worn makeup for every single interview that she`s done. If you look closely at that interview she did minutes after she was convicted of first-degree murder, I see lip gloss on her lips, so I don`t think this is anything new.
GRACE: We remember American hero, Army Sergeant Justin Officer, 26, Wichita, Kansas. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal. Parents Timothy and Stacey, brother Timothy Jr., sister Kylie. Timothy Officer, American hero.
And now, back to the Jodi Arias verdict watch. We are in a verdict watch here at HLN, waiting for a jury to hand down a sentence in the case of Jodi Arias -- life or death. Out to you, Jean Casarez, question. The judge cannot overrule the jury`s decision, but if they come back with life, she has the discretion to give life or life without parole. On life, she could get out as quickly as 20 years.
CASAREZ: That is correct. 25 to life. She can go before a parole board. Actually, as you said, in 20 years, there would be a presentencing report. The sentencing then would be about four to six weeks away. But if the jury comes back with death, she will be transported to prison, we understand, within two hours from here in Phoenix, Arizona.
Out to the lines, Marge in Michigan. Hi, Marge. What`s your question?
CALLER: Hi, Nancy. The question I have is has she set herself up with Nurmi and Willmott to have the possibility of her appeal? And from that I mean, I mean, right from the very beginning, it`s been what I call the Pollyanna effect. She was handed her defense by LaViolette and Dr. Samuels. Samuels gave her this book about her erogenous zones, and we heard about that for days. Then LaViolette comes on talking about her abuse. And then we have her standing up in front of a jury today, stonefaced. It`s like she wrote herself in a bad novel, a Pollyanna novel. And she believes she`s so smart she can get out of this.
GRACE: Well, as far as setting up her own appeal, I think you`re absolutely right. And by refusing, really, they had a list of witnesses to call at sentencing phase. They called none. So I wonder if they`re not trying to set up an infective assistance of counsel claim on appeal.
Everyone, the jury has gone home. Court is done for the day. Arias back at the jail. Dr. Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.