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Extreme Weather; Interview with Glenn Greenwald; Interview with John Miller; New Lungs for Sarah Murnaghan; Colorado Wildfires Burning Out of Control; Whitey Bulger Trial Begins; Turkish Official Tells Protesters to Leave; World's Tallest Twisted Tower; Cuba to Florida Marathon Swim Under Way; Cleveland Rape Suspect in Court; Jaycee Dugard's Therapist Speaks Out on Cleveland Case; Senator Flake Apologizes for Son's Tweets; U.S. Easing Sanctions for Syrian Opposition

Aired June 12, 2013 - 20:00   ET



Good evening, everyone. We have breaking news tonight. Wildfires burning out of control. A string of tornadoes hammering the Midwest. A big mess in Chicago and it could get much worse very soon. Tens of millions of Americans are now in the path of a monstrous storm like this. A derecho could be building as we speak. Picture hurricane- force winds and a hurricane-level damage for mile after mile.

Later in the show tonight he came to court in handcuffs but what happens to the three young women that Ariel Castro is accused of keeping in chains? We have exclusive insight from the woman who treated Jaycee Dugard after her 18 years in captivity.

We begin with the breaking news. The tornadoes, fire and a rare kind of storm now threatening one in five Americans. They are facing the possibility of a massive weather system.

Chad Myers is in the weather center to explain exactly what it is, as well as an update on the tornadoes, the mess in Chicago, and the winds that are making it tough for firefighters out west.

So, Chad, I understand there's a new tornado on the ground. Where is that?

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: That is extreme northwestern Illinois, way out here, almost by really Iowa. That storm right now well west of Rockford, Mount Caramel is the area here. That's the tornado we know that's on the ground confirmed by police.

I believe there are very many potential tornadoes still coming to the ground tonight, Anderson. I know we talked about this derecho event that's coming. All these storms have to line up first. Right now they're not lined up and when we talk about storms that are not all bumping into each other, those are the ones that can tornado.

Now a couple of them here, west of Fort Wayne, one here just south of Gary, Indiana, a big storm right there. And a number of them still into Iowa. And they all have been putting down tornadoes, one after another, especially across parts of Iowa, and we still have many more hours of this warmth. It's still 7:00 out there.

Temperatures still as warm as they're going to get for the day, and we have that tornado watch, and that tornado watch probably posted -- I think it'll probably go for at least another five to six hours, even though it will expire about 9:00. I think they'll keep it going for many more hours after that.

COOPER: So, Chad, there's this massive line of storms moving across the Midwest. Could turn into what's called a derecho. Exactly what is that? I've never heard of it before.

MYERS: Well, it is a line of weather. It's a squall line. But it can be a squall line that can last for hundreds of miles. A squall line can usually last 50 miles or so. This derecho event can last for hundreds, 800 miles last year. Think about -- of a 200-mile wild F-0, F-1 tornado that just plows across the countryside. That's what we had last year.

Here is where it's likely probable and even possible as far east as Washington, D.C. for tomorrow. This is what it looked like last year. And we don't have this yet. We don't have these storm cells in a line or in bows like here and here and here and here. When that happens, that's when the derecho event occurs and that's when the winds get blown.

Think of a bulldozer pushing all of this air ahead of it. These storms are moving 60. There is winds in the storm of 40. You add them together, that's a wind gust of 100 miles per hour in a big, big area.

COOPER: And what's to be on the fires in the Black forest in Chicago -- in Colorado?

MYERS: It has been a dreadful day. We had temperatures around 90 degrees. The relative humidity was 5 percent. Five. So nothing really got moisture at all. It was dry all day. The winds were blowing 30 miles per hour all day and now we have two separate lines of fire. One moving northwest, one moving northeast. This isn't all that far from the fires we had last year that took out so many homes.

Right now we're almost up to 100 homes completely destroyed and there is no end in sight to this heat. Temps across parts of Colorado Springs were well in excess of 90, 95 degrees and sometimes, Anderson, I know you've been out there as well, these fires are so hot, the air goes up, these fires can create their own wind and firefighters can get in the way of this shifting wind like we had today.

Just from the southwest to the northwest, back and forth. It's almost like -- it's just hard to get out of the way of this much land, at this much dry. It's been drought now for two years there. There are pine beetles that have killed half the trees out there. They're just standing there waiting to burn. This is a nightmare scenario for the people out there.

COOPER: And it's amazing how far these embers can be taken and picked up by the wind. We're going to -- MYERS: Miles.

COOPER: Yes. We're going to check in with Victor Blackwell later on in the program tonight. He's on the fire lines in Colorado.

New revolutions, though, to tell you about tonight from Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor turned leaker, telling a Hong Kong newspaper, the agency has been hacking into computers in Hong Kong and on the Chinese mainland for years. He says the NSA gains access to network backbone, the big data pipes of the Internet, so it doesn't have to break into individual machines.

He says he'll stay in Hong Kong to fight extradition back to the United States until, in his words, he's asked to leave, telling the paper he has faith in Hong Kong's rule of law.

In the meantime Snowden says he lives in constant fear for his and his family's safety. He says he's neither a hero nor a traitor.

Now last night in this program New York Republican Congressman Peter King made news not by calling him a traitor, which other colleagues on both sides of the aisle have done but for something else he said.


COOPER: As far as reporters who help reveal these programs, do you believe something should happen to them? Do you believe they should be punished, as well?

KING: Actually, if they -- if they willingly knew that this was classified information, I think action should be taken, especially on something of this magnitude. I know that the whole issue of leaks has been gotten into over the last month but I think something on this magnitude there is an obligation, both moral, but also legal, I believe against the reporter, disclosing something which would so severely compromise national security.

As a practical matter, I guess there have been in the past several years a number of reporters who have been prosecuted under it. So the answer is yes to your question.


COOPER: Now later today on FOX News, he went even further when he was talking to Megyn Kelly. He said that Glenn Greenwald, who writes for "The Guardian," should be prosecuted because he -- also because he threatened to reveal the identities of CIA agents and other personnel operating around the world.

We've researched this, we found absolutely no evidence that Glenn Greenwald has ever said that and in fact we're going to talk to Glenn Greenwald right now from "The Guardian."

So, Glenn, Congressman King is saying you were threatening to disclose names of CIA agents and officers and other personnel around the world and says that's a direct attack on America and that's the reason why you should be prosecuted.

I haven't found any quote where you have threatened this. And the congressman's office hasn't responded to our request for proof you actually said this. So just for the record, have you or are you threatening to disclose the names of CIA agents and officers around the world?

GLENN GREENWALD, THE GUARDIAN: Yes, the reason you haven't found that, Anderson, is because it doesn't exist. I was really staggered that a United States congressman, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, actually could go on national television and make up an accusation, literally fabricated out of whole cloth, namely that I have threatened to uncover the names of covert CIA agents as a way of arguing for my arrest and prosecution inside the United States for the crime of doing journalism.

I mean, it's bad enough to call for that. It's extraordinarily menacing that he did so based on a complete falsehood. The idea that I ever threatened that. I did not nor would I ever.

COOPER: I'm assuming that Congressman King has sort of combined two different statements, one made by Snowden and one by you. Snowden has said and I quote, "I had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets around the world," end quote.

You said in an interview, quote, "We're going to have a lot more significant revelations that have not yet been heard over the next several weeks and months, but again, that's not saying anything about what Peter King has said. So are any -- just for the record, are any of the revelations that maybe coming -- that you may release, are any of them the identities of CIA personnel or agents in the field?

GREENWALD: No, and when Mr. Snowden said what it is that you quoted him as saying, he was doing so in the context of answering the accusation which I had asked him about that he was trying to harm national security and his point was, look, if I -- my goal were to harm American national security or endanger Americans, there are all kinds of things I could have done that I did not do and would never do.

COOPER: Do you think King is just making that up? Do you think he's mistaken?

GREENWALD: You know, I -- the last thing I would try and do is read the mind of -- and what goes on internally in the swamp of Peter King's brain. I mean, what I do know is that he has a history of all kinds of radical and extremist statements. He himself was a supporter of terrorism for several decades when it was done by the IRA. So I don't know if he just simply decided to completely make that up or if he hallucinated or what.

What I do know is that the claims that he made on national television about me were utterly and completely false, and they were very serious charges that I think he ought to be held accountable for. You can't just go on national television and call for the arrest and prosecution of a journalist and tell outright falsehoods when you're doing it without consequences.

COOPER: And I should reiterate we've contacted his office since that interview that he gave today, have not heard back.

King also says that you should be prosecuted because of what you've already published saying it puts American lives at risk. Do you believe that at all? Because, you know, I was going back and researching, when the WikiLeaks released huge amounts of information, "The Guardian" and the "Times" and elsewhere, a lot of people said, you know, they had blood on their hands. Julian Assange should have blood on his hand.

But then U.S. officials privately admitted in -- to people in Congress and even publicly that even though the revelations were embarrassing, were a problem, that they couldn't name who'd really lost their lives because of it. So when now when people are saying you had put American lives at risk, do you believe that at all?

GREENWALD: No, and, Anderson, that point you just made I -- in my opinion is really the crucial point for anybody listening to take away. Every single time the American government has things that they've done in secret, exposed or revealed, to the world and they're embarrassed by it, the tactic that they use is to try and scare people into believing that they have to overlook what they have done.

They have to trust American officials to exercise power in the dark, lest they be attacked. That their security and safety depend upon pacing this value in political officials. And I really think it's the supreme obligation of every journalist and every citizen when they hear an American official say this story about us jeopardizes national security to demand specifics, to ask what exactly it is that has jeopardized national security because if you look at the stories that we reported we were very careful to never disclose anything that could even conceivably harm national security.

COOPER: The flipside of that is, I mean, what do you -- what do you say to those who say, look, that the government does need to be able to act in secret at certain times? That there are legitimate reasons. There are people who want to attack this country.

GREENWALD: Yes. Nobody doubts that the government has the right to keep some secrets and we are keeping some secrets. We're not disclosing the technical means by which the NSA spies on people to enable other countries to replicate or evade it. We're not disclosing the names of people at whom the spying has been directed, but what the government doesn't have the right to do is to implement incredibly consequential policies that affect the world in which we live and the kind of country that we are without any accountability or transparency.

COOPER: Snowden told the "South China Morning Post" that the NSA had been hacking computers in China since 2009. He apparently showed the newspaper documents to support the claim that the papers says it couldn't independently verify them. Does that line up with what he told you or can you say? GREENWALD: Yes. He was very clear about the fact that as the U.S. goes around the world threatening and warning people about the dangers of cyber attacks that the U.S. is actually one of the most prolific if not the most prolific perpetrators of offensive cyber warfare. We published the presidential directive signed in October that lays forth a very aggressive policy of when the U.S. will use offensive cyber attacks. And particularly notable because it's China that the U.S. has directed those accusations at most, and yet the U.S., according to these documents, and according to Snowden, is very active in hacking into Chinese research facilities, university, businesses and ones in Hong Kong, as well.

COOPER: Glenn Greenwald, appreciate talking to you. Thank you.

Let's dig deeper now on this and a possible scandal brewing in the State Department, including alleged cover-up, with "CBS This Morning" senior correspondent, John Miller.

So, John, you saw what Mr. Snow den says in that interview. And it certainly seems like he's still in Hong Kong. Does the U.S. government really have any idea where he is at this point?

JOHN MILLER, SENIOR CORRESPONDENT, CBS THIS MORNING: I think they have a pretty good idea where he is. I mean, this is the kind of thing that not yesterday or the day before but at the very beginning of this FBI headquarters would have likely called LEGAT, legal attache office in Hong Kong where they have a number of agents. They would have called their counterparts in the Hong Kong law enforcement and intelligence community and said, hey, could you acquire this guy? Meaning could you put eyes on?

Can we have an idea where he is? And please keep eyes on while we put together some charge that might fit within your extradition treaty.

COOPER: How concern do you think the U.S. should be that he could share what he knows about classified information with the Chinese?

MILLER: Well, I think very concerned on some level. I mean, number one, Hong Kong is attached to mainland China, they have a semi- autonomous government. But semi. They have an extradition deal with the United States, but this is the kind of thing that would be of high interest to the People's Republic of China and here is an individual who's feeling vulnerable, who's looking for asylum, and who has a bag full of secrets and a head full of some more.

So between the Chinese, the Russians, any number of places might want to talk to him and offer him comfort.

COOPER: Snowden is accusing the U.S. of hacking the Chinese. The State Department responded saying, essentially look, there is a difference between what China is doing to the U.S. which they said is going after economic data, financial information, what they described as cyber attacks, and what they said the U.S. is doing to China which they've described as surveillance and essentially going after bad guys. Does that wash with you? MILLER: Yes. All governments hack at all other governments. That's what spy agencies do, they spy. But the Chinese is the only government, to my knowledge, that believes it is permissible not to, you know, the U.S. -- for the Chinese -- the People's Republic of China hacking into U.S. Defense websites and infrastructure.

China is the only place that thinks it's OK to hack into commercial enterprises for commercial gain. In other words, they will hack into all of the government things that everybody else is hacking into, but then they'll hack into corporate America, and they will steal, steal technology, steal trade secrets, steal research that's half done, steal completed projects, patented things.

China just takes the general posture when it comes to cyber thievery that we don't have time to invent all these things. It's better to take them off of somebody's servers. That's a dirty little secret, but everybody who's in the cyber world knows that and we've seen it come out in some of the latest reports both from the government and from the private people who look at the computers.

COOPER: Over the years, people intelligence who I've talked to say that the amount of spying that China does on the U.S. would surprise a lot of people.

MILLER: Anderson, there is a building that's filled with hundreds of People's Liberation Army, the PLA, cyber experts. They work seven days a week, 24 hours a day. Some of them are assigned to hack into government databases. Some of them are assigned to hack into commercial things. Some of them are assigned to hack into universities. That is a full-time job there.

COOPER: I want to switch gears also to a story that you broke a couple of days ago. It's getting a lot of attention. A potential scandal brewing in the State Department, potential cover-ups, what exactly did you find?

MILLER: So what we found was that there was an inspector general's assessment of DSS, the Diplomatic Security Service.

Anderson, that's the people who are -- provide the security details for the secretary of state and ambassadors overseas but they also do criminal investigations, but they also investigate wrongdoing among State Department employees, and basically, the inspector general found that there were a number of agents that they interviewed who said well, my investigations go fine until they start to go towards scandal.

And then they are either interfered with or cut off so we found accounts from DSS agents who said, I was told I couldn't interview the two main people. Another one said, I was told I only had three days to do the investigation which was absurd. It would have required more than that.

We knew of one that said I was assigned to investigate this ambassador overseas and then I got an order to cease and desist and to take what I had so far and put it in a memo. So they put that in a memorandum then in a draft of the report, but in the final report that was published, not much of that was in there.

COOPER: So what happens now?

MILLER: So what happens now is that the inspector general has said let's review these cases, and they brought in -- to answer the State Department's concern which is these are inspectors who were doing basically a management assessment on whether a division is running right. So they said, you know, they can't really assess whether a criminal investigation is going correctly so they brought in professional criminal investigators from other agencies, they've hired them on and they've said review these cases and a few more, and give us an assessment.

Was there undue influence? Was there interference? Was there tampering? Were things squashed or swept under the rug?

COOPER: It's a fascinating story. John Miller -- John, thanks.

MILLER: Thanks.

COOPER: We're going to take a short break. Let me know what you think about what Representative Peter King said about Glen Greenwald, and the response from Glenn tonight.

Follow me on Twitter @Andersoncooper.

Just ahead, breaking news on the little girl the country has taken to heart. Ten-year-old Sarah Murnaghan finally has what she fought so hard to get, new lungs. She is out of surgery. We'll have the latest on her condition ahead.

Plus an update on the other breaking news story tonight. The growing wildfires in Colorado.


COOPER: Welcome back. We have some more breaking news to report tonight, 10-year-old Sarah Murnaghan has new lungs. Just minutes ago, we got word that her transplant surgeons have completed the operation. A family spokeswoman said the new lungs came from an adult donor.

As you may know, we've been following Sarah's story very closely. Her parents challenged the policy that makes it nearly impossible for children younger than 12 from getting adult donor lungs no matter how sick the child is. It's a life and death issue because pediatric donor lungs are so rare. Last week a federal judge intervened and Sarah was put on the adult waiting list. When Sarah heard about the ruling, she cheered, listen.




COOPER: It has been a very tough battle for this little girl. She has cystic fibrosis. In the recent months, her condition declined sharply, got even worse over the weekend. But earlier today the call her family has waited so long for finally came.

Jason Carroll joins me now from Philadelphia.

So you're outside the hospital where Sarah just got out of the surgery. What do we know about how things went?

JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I can tell you that her mother and father have seen her and that she seems to be doing remarkably well. We're hearing that she is in good condition. She is heavily sedated, as you can imagined. She's still intubated. We're hearing that tube will not come out of her throat for another 48 hours or so.

The surgery, Anderson, lasted about six hours and we're told through a family spokesperson that doctors had no special challenges in resizing the lung to fit into Sarah's chest.

And just before we went to air, Anderson, we've got a bit of a statement here from the family. I'll read it in part to you because it does provide a little bit more detail. It says, "Sarah is in the process of getting settled in the ICU and now her recovery begins. It will be a long road but we're not going for easy, we're going for possible, and an organ donor has made this possible for her."

Obviously, she still has a long road ahead of her. There is always the risk of infection and the organ being rejected but she took a very major step today -- Anderson.

COOPER: So you spoke to the family before the surgery, correct?

CARROLL: Yes, yes, and as you can imagine, at that point their emotions were sort of all over the place. You know, they had found out last night that the donor had come in, and once Sarah was in surgery, I asked if we could just speak just a little bit about what they were feeling, and the one point they wanted to make was about the person who made this day possible.


JANET MURNAGHAN, SARAH MURNAGHAN'S MOTHER: They don't tell you anything. I mean, but that donor is her hero -- our hero of this story. But she wouldn't have had access to that hero, if it weren't for the change. This is a low bar transplant, this is an adult donor, this is a long shot, she wouldn't have had the opportunity to have access to just two weeks ago.


CARROLL: And the other point she wanted to make was not just this person was a hero but they are hoping that there will be a change for the system to help children not just Sarah, but the other child, that Javier Acosta, who you know of Anderson, that 11-year-old, who's also waiting for a lung transplant, and other children as well now that there's been a change to the national policy -- Anderson. COOPER: Yes. I think a lot of people didn't realize about these different lists.

Jason , appreciate that.

We certainly wish Sarah and her family the best. She was a very sick little girl, going into today's surgery. She has a challenging road ahead as Jason said.

Our chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta joins us now.

So a lung transplant. How -- I mean, how complex and difficult a surgery is that and how difficult is the recovery?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the operation, you know, it can depend, as you just heard from her mom there. This was what's known as a low bar transplant. So instead of transplanting the whole adult lung, they took specific lobes of the lung. And this is usually just because of a size issue, so you take particular lobes of the lung and try and size them and make them fit. And you heard in the statement there that that part of the operation went pretty smoothly.

From sort of beginning of her operation to the end, it was about six hours so that's pretty typical, in terms of the length of these operations. And so it's a -- it sounds like that went straightforward. Her recovery over the next couple of days, she's going to have the breathing tube in, you just heard that again.

Over the longer run, you know, you remember, this is a girl who still has cystic fibrosis, just underwent this big operation, is now going to need medication to suppress her immune system so she doesn't develop infections and reject her lungs in the future. So there are several phases to her recovery -- Anderson.

COOPER: We've got a "Digital Dashboard" question from Facebook.

Cathy asked, "Is it true that she'll require another transplant in the future since adult lungs will not grow as she grows?"

GUPTA: The bigger concern here is -- Cathy, is more of the concern about rejection. That would what might be necessitating a future transplant. Sometimes even these lungs, even though it's just the lobe of the lung they can expand to a certain extent.

Do you remember, Anderson, not too long ago, we were talking about the new Pope. And now he is living without a lobe of his lung. So it is possible that people can live with a smaller lung, but the larger concern for Sarah is the concern about rejection of these lungs, and that could possibly lead to another transplant.

COOPER: Can you just explain why there are different lists? I mean, is there a good reason behind that?

GUPTA: Well, I think a lot of this -- you know, ideally, what you're trying to do is create situations where the people who need the transplants the most are also matched up with people who are going to benefit the most from those transplants. That may sound rather obvious but it's not always the sickest people, in general. It's people who are going to benefit the most from these transplants.

When it comes to kids and lung transplants, they're just not that common. They don't happen very often. A couple of hundred over the last several years, for example. So, you know, they have this -- I guess somewhat arbitrary cutoff of 12 years old, saying above that they can be on the adult list, and below that, you know, I think there is not enough data for people under the age of 12.

COOPER: All right. Sanjay, appreciate it. Thanks.

Again, as I said, we wish her and her family the best.

As always you can find a lot more on Sarah's condition, her story at

We have more breaking news tonight. We're live out west. Fires plus winds equals a state of emergency. One fire there is now growing larger, moving in two directions at once. We'll you to the fire lines.

Also, later, Ariel Castro pleading not guilty to holding three young women captive for years. Hard to imagine what his alleged victims are going through. Tonight we're going to be joined by a therapist who knows all too well. She helped treat Jaycee Dugard after her captivity. We'll talk to her ahead.


COOPER: More breaking news now, several wildfires burning in Colorado, too not far from Colorado Springs, doing serious damage. We just learned that one of them has burned down close to 100 homes and is threatening many more. Colorado's governor declared a disaster emergency. The evacuation zone is growing and its key the wind have not stopped gusting.

Victor Blackwell is on the fire line, joins us now with the latest. So what is the latest, Victor?

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the latest from the sheriff here in El Paso County is that the number of homes damaged up to 97, 92 of them a total loss and 8,000 acres burned. We just got an updated number also about people affected by this mandatory evacuation that grew overnight and has grown throughout the day. Now 10,000 people impacted by that, 150 commercial entities.

I want to show you what we're seeing all day, this cloud of white grayish ash, but occasionally we'll see puffs of dark smoke, meaning something else, something unnatural is burning, many of them homes. Many of the people who have been evacuated are either in Red Cross shelters, in hotels here in town. I can tell you it's very difficult to get a room or they are with friends and/or family -- Anderson.

COOPER: And I know, as you said, it forced more evacuations even a prison was evacuated, right?

BLACKWELL: Yes, a prison was evacuated, but we have to start this with telling you that there are five fires here in Colorado. This is the Black Forest fire. There are three to the north and one about 55 miles southwest in Canyon City. That is the Royal Gorge fire and there is the Centennial Corrections Facility near there. As a precaution, they evacuated the prison, 905 low to medium security inmates, many of them special needs, were sent to other facilities overnight, all of them are safe -- Anderson.

COOPER: In terms of firefighters, do they have enough personnel on the ground?

BLACKWELL: Well, the exact number we're getting from the sheriff, 487, but there are more people coming tomorrow and throughout the week to try to control this. Also, we know that nearby pilots from Fort Carson are working on this and the National Guard here working also in a support role blocking roads. There are people driving around to get photographs or to check on their homes to find out if their home is still standing.

COOPER: Yes. Incredible to see that home there. Victor, stay safe. Appreciate it. Victor Blackwell reporting for us. There's a lot more happening tonight. Randi is here with the 360 Bulletin -- Randi.

RANDI KAYE, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, a James "Whitey" Bulger trial got underway today in Boston. In opening statements, prosecutors said the legendary mob boss was a hands-on killer. He is accused of 19 murders, racketeering and other charges. Bulger denies the charges and being an FBI informant. The 83-year-old was captured two years ago after 16 years on the run.

Police in Turkey again used tear gas in clash with protesters in Ankara today, but the situation does not seem to be as violent as last night in the capital and in Istanbul. A Turkish official says the government will not accept protests to continue forever and its urging demonstrators to leave the park where anti-government protest began two weeks ago.

The world's tallest twisted tower was inaugurated in Dubai today. The tower is just over 1,000 feet tall and has 75 floors, 495 apartments. You see it there.

And an Australian woman is attempting to be the first person to swim from Cuba to Florida without a shark cage. Chloe Macartel expects the 100-mile swim to take 60 hours. Anderson, I know you've been swimming with sharks. I don't know. Would you do that one?

COOPER: No, that long. I wouldn't last 60. Anyway, Randi, thanks very much.

Accused kidnapper and rapist Ariel Castro was back in court today and what happened at his arraignment. We'll tell you that ahead.

Plus, we're going to talk to a therapist who helped kidnapping victim Jaycee Dugard on what the women from Castro's home might be dealing with.


COOPER: Welcome back. Ariel Castro was arraigned today in a Cleveland courtroom. He didn't say a word. His lawyers entered a not guilty plea. Castro, as you know, was indicted last week on 329 counts and today, the attorneys said some of the charges cannot be disputed. The 52-year-old former school bus driver is accused of rape, murder, holding three women captive in his house for a decade.

Amanda Berry, Gina Dejesus and Michelle Knight were freed. You may remember last month after one of them made a break and called to a neighbor for help. CNN's Pamela Brown was in the courtroom and joins us now. So what exactly was it like in the court today? I mean, he didn't say anything. How did he appear?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You're right, Anderson. He didn't say at all. In fact, he walked in. He looked despondent, a void of emotion. He kept his head down the entire time. He didn't make eye contact with anyone, not his attorneys, not the judge. In fact, Anderson, it appeared he had his eyes closed during the entire arraignment. His attorneys entered a plea on his behalf and as you said, he didn't say anything at all. It was a very quick arraignment. It only lasted about a minute.

COOPER: The three women obviously had asked for privacy and I think reporters it seems like have given it to them. You did speak to the victims' personal attorney. What did he tell you?

BROWN: I did. I just spoke to him a little bit ago, Anderson. Jim Wooly is his name and he said that the women want this to be over and they want it to be over quickly. He said they have no desire to testify in the trial, and he said that at this point no one wants this to go to trial. The ball is in the prosecution's court. Pressure is mounting on the prosecution to negotiate a plea deal and essentially take that aggravated murder charge and obviously, the death penalty off the table so that a deal can be negotiated.

COOPER: So it sounds like that lawyer is saying a plea deal would be acceptable to his clients?

BROWN: Absolutely. The women's attorney made it clear that he wants a plea deal to be reached and today, the defense attorney of Ariel Castro made it clear that he wants a plea deal to be negotiated, so as I said, the ball is really in the prosecution's court, and the prosecution also has a vested interest for a deal to be reached. Prosecution wants what is best for these victims.

The prosecution wants to protect the victims, but at the same time it's a balancing act. The prosecution wants to make sure justice is served and that Ariel Castro faces the maximum penalty. And also, Anderson, I spoke to legal experts here and we're learning that it will be difficult for the prosecution to pursue the death penalty for the aggravated murder charge.

There is really no legal precedent here and also the prosecution has to have both forensic and medical evidence to show that not only Michelle Knight was pregnant in that time frame, but also that Castro caused the termination of her pregnancy and that's a pretty tall order there.

COOPER: All right, Pamela, appreciate the update. It's impossible for most of us or really for anyone to imagine what Amanda Berry and Gina Dejesus and Michelle Knight went through and are going through trying to reclaim their lives. Jaycee Dugard certainly knows, as well. She was kidnapped when she was just 11 years old. She was held by her captors for 18 years, forced to live in a hidden compound of tarps and sheds.

She gave birth to two kids during that time. She was rescued in 2009. Today she's in her 30s and she is now helping other victims through the foundation that she's created. Her therapist, Rebecca Bailey, guided Dugard to the transition that followed her rescue, helping her to reconnect with her family, help her to rebuild her life.

She's the author of a new book called "Safe Kids, Smart Parents." She's done groundbreaking research on the issues that kidnapping and other trauma victims face. I'm very pleased that she joins me here. Thanks very much for being with us.

You know, I talked to Sean Hornbeck, somebody who was taken as a child, and a short time after these women were released, one of the things he said to me is that this is something that happened to him. It's not who he is and he does not want to be defined by what somebody else did to him. Is that something you hear a lot from victims?

REBECCA BAILEY, FAMILY PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely. And it's such a healthy response because it's time, for example, these young women, I don't want to speculate too much on what their situation is, but they have given enough time to that man, and it's time for them to be able to move forward, so yes, yes, absolutely.

COOPER: How do you -- again, I'm not a big fan of speculation either, but in general how do you help somebody move forward? I mean, the process of trusting, of reintegrating with the family? I mean, there are so many different aspects.

BAILEY: You know, so many of the responses to that sound so simplistic because it really is one step at a time, one step at a time slowly. Allow them to guide you in the process. We know from the department of justice study that the national center did back with them back in 1991 that there is such a variety of what families need. There is some givens like privacy like these families are getting but step at a time.

COOPER: There is also the range of emotions that somebody goes through. I mean, anger to I would imagine anger to certainly their captor, but also their families in some cases and -- I mean, is talking about -- I've seen in different studies some say talking about something can help it but others say it sort of relives the trauma. Should families kind of hold back and let the person talk on their own time? BAILEY: Well, it's sort of a two-fold answer. One is it -- one of the ways that we work with people is using animal therapy with a program that I have because --

COOPER: Horses --

BAILEY: Horses and dogs and -- because part of it is being able to get people out of the words, some people do need to talk about it, some people don't. But the most important thing you also said was about families and the individual difference, and every time I talk, I always want to bring it back to the siblings, because the siblings in these families are affected as much as the central victim in very, very different ways.

So I love that you're acknowledging the range of differences. So we really need to keep that in mind looking because I don't know all the parties and families of these victims, but I know that they have all been affected and will have different responses.

COOPER: It is incredible to me and I've seen it time and time again what people can survive and what they can rebuild a life from.

BAILEY: And that's why I'm out, out here doing this. This is why I wrote this book with my sister based on the incredible strength that Terry and Jaycee demonstrated so that it never ever happens again, but I am so on the band wagon of resilience and flexibility and encouraging and people teaching their children to be flexible and resilient.

COOPER: You can teach it?

BAILEY: I absolutely believe it. There are some studies about talking about resilient or flexibility gene but I believe it. There is a man in New York named George that has done a lot of studies on the ability of being able to develop -- help develop that in people. You've got to listen to the individual differences of the people in front of you and the needs when you work with any sort of trauma.

COOPER: I know you've probably been asked this a million times and it's a question that always gets asked and I heard a lot of answers to it and yet, people still don't understand it and understand so it's a complicated thing. What makes somebody stay in a situation that maybe they have an opportunity at times to get out of? I mean, what is it?

BAILEY: That's another -- you're hitting questions true to my heart, and we have the press called Stockholm syndrome. There are variables you see across the board. Frankly, there is about four or five that frequently show up. We like to -- and when I say, we, those of us who work in the trenches with these guys and like to call it adaptation process.

COOPER: Adaptation process.

BAILEY: Adaptation process because you adapt to survive and the human spirit is incredibly strong, and the human will to -- and I get so passionate so excuse me. The human will to live and go through an adverse situation is such an incredible, incredible --

COOPER: We seen in the holocaust, I mean, in any situation, it's a desire to survive.

BAILEY: You know, when you talk to Jaycee who has taught me this one thing she -- when we talk about her story and she'll say yeah but what about the prisoner of war or what about Nelson Mandela and it's true. You have to adapt. It's actually incredibly condescending to assume these people fall in love with their captors. In fact, it's one of the most condescending thing that you can do.

COOPER: To me, that's an important thing, the idea that you can survive pretty much anything, given the right circumstances, given the right makeup and that's an empowering thing.

BAILEY: That's what this book, "Safe Kids Smart Parents." What we're trying to say when something horrible like an abduction happens, which is rare, but teaching your kids to deal with all sorts of situations like icky coaches, that's the word I use. Folks like -- or situations, give them the skills to be able to use critical thinking, problem solving to get out of a situation.

COOPER: Yes. Rebecca Bailey, thank you so much. It's really, really interesting. Appreciate it.

Coming up, the 360 follow on the Pennsylvania mom that left her family behind. She resurfaced in Florida last month. An update on what is happening to Brenda Heist next.


COOPER: The "Ridiculist" is coming up. Find out who is on it tonight, but first Randi is back with the 360 Bulletin -- Randi.

KAYE: Anderson, Arizona Republican Senator Jeff Flake has apologized for his son's behavior online. Flake's teenage son posted racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic comments on Twitter and gaming sites. The senator calls the language unacceptable.

The U.S. is easing economic sanctions in areas of Syria controlled by opposition fighters. U.S. companies can now seek approval from the U.S. State Department to provide certain items such as technology for water and oil production.

Meanwhile the family of Syrian activist Zaidoun Azwabi says his brother was released today from a government prison. He had been held since December. Zaidoun is still being detained.

A 360 follow, Brenda Heist, the Pennsylvania mom missing for 11 years has been sentenced to nearly a year in a Florida jail for violating probation on a traffic violation. In 2002, after dropping her children off at school, she hitched hiked to Florida with strangers.

And high above the streets of Manhattan today, two workers were rescued after their scaffolding broke. The two men were trapped for more than an hour before firefighters cut a hole in a window to get them inside. That is really something to see there, Anderson. Incredible they are both OK. No injuries, just maybe a fear of heights.

COOPER: Good news. Randi, thanks. "The Ridiculist" is next.


COOPER: Time now for the "Ridiculist." The other night on 360, we told you how the actor who plays Chewbacca in the "Star Wars" movie was briefly detained by the TSA at the Denver Airport because of his cane, a custom made work of art that looks like a lightsaber. Isha was telling the story and then this happened.


ISHA SESAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The TSA says the unusual ways of the cane got an officer's attention and that the passenger and the lightsaber cane were cleared to travel within 5 minutes. I always wanted a lightsaber.

COOPER: That's Chewbacca. Was that your Chewbacca?

SESAY: No? Just give me the lightsaber.

COOPER: Have you ever seen "Star Wars?"


COOPER: My Chewbacca imitation was bad, hers was the worst ever. This is what Chewbacca actually sounds like.

Let's here Isha again. Pitiful. I happen to think that mine was maybe a little more realistic. Pretty lame, look, it's lame. I would have said that her Chewbacca was lacking because of the British accent, but the guy who plays Chewbacca is from Russia. They were talking about the airport incident.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm a big guy therefore I need a heavy cane.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You do know, you just told Chewbacca he can't have his lightsaber cane at which time I think her eyes maybe got a little big. I don't know. Our job is to see to it that people have a good time.

UNIDENTIFEID MALE: That's what we here for.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If the Wooky arrives in a foul mood, nobody will have a good time.


COOPER: They left everyone with a nice message.



COOPER: Leave it to the master, that is the sound of the real Chewbacca, just for laughs, let's here Isha again. Sad. Got to work on your wookie, Isha, keep practicing and may the force be with you on the "Ridiculist."

That does it for us. We'll see you again one hour from now another edition of 360 at 10:00 p.m. Eastern. "PIERS MORGAN LIVE" starts now.