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Reputed Boston Mobster in Trial; Choosing the Zimmerman Jury; President to Address NSA Leak; Jeb Bush Immigrant Comments; Mom Fights Off Would-be Robber; G-20 Delegates were Tracked; Interview with Derek Anderson; Tebow-Mania Redux

Aired June 16, 2013 - 18:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Coming up this hour in the CNN NEWSROOM:

Did the NSA surveillance program really keep us safe from terrorist attacks? The White House finally weighing in.

Plus this --

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JOHN "RED" SHEA, FORMER MOBSTER: And here he is. The biggest rat of all, king rat.

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LEMON: Inside the inner circle of Whitey Bulger. Hear from one of the legendary mobster's former soldiers.

The owner of the New England Patriots says one of his Super Bowl rings was stolen, and you won't believe by whom.

And this mom just wasn't having it when a would-be carjacker pulled out a knife. Find out what she did to get him out of the minivan and off the streets.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM, everyone. I'm Don Lemon.

And we're going to start this hour with this -- we're tracking two huge trials this week. In the George Zimmerman murder trial in Florida, dozens of potential rejected this week. Attorneys worried some potential jurors may have ulterior motives in the case involving death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

In Boston, reputed mob leader James "Whitey" Bulger is accused of 19 murders while serving as an FBI informant, ratting on his own friends.

We're going to talk with Red Shea, an ex-mobster who once tangled with Whitey Bulger, and Holly Hughes who will break down the Zimmerman trial.

OK. The Whitey Bulger trial sounds like a mobster movie, right?

Bulger allegedly ran an Irish Boston gang linked to brutal murders and extorting drug dealers, bookies and loan sharks to pay rent or tribute to his gang.

Jack Nicholson played a character loosely based on Bulger in the 2006 movie "The Departed."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I was your age, they would say, you could become cops or criminals. Today what I'm saying to you is this: when you're facing a loaded gun --

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LEMON: Let's go now to ex-mobster John "Red" Shea who once worked with Bulger.

Red, Bulger adamantly denies being a rat, an FBI informant. What's your reaction to that? Do you think he's a rat and an informant?

JOHN "RED" SHEA, FORMER MOBSTER: Absolutely. You don't get top echelon status from the FBI without being a full-fledged rat. And at that, a king rat. That's been proven in court.

LEMON: You believe that he is -- he wants to have it both ways, that he is doing this because he doesn't want to go down in history, you said, as a root and his reputation is important to him.

SHEA: Yes. It's his reputation, but his ego, too. He has a large ego. I'm sure he's not happy now that he's facing charges and being brought to justice, and being known that he's a full fledged informant for over 30 years. This guy started informing back in the days prior to him going to Alcatraz. He ratted on guys that he robbed banks with.

LEMON: Yes, you went to jail -- it was for 12 years and you never ratted out anyone. So you believe it's a code that you didn't betray and that he is.

SHEA: Oh, absolutely. No one ever went away from my tongue. No one ever went away from me pointing at them.

I accepted full responsibility. I served my time. I've changed my life around. And what really gets me, Don, is that he uses it -- this "I'm not a rat" because of his heritage.

Well, it is quite an insult to me personally for honoring my heritage like I did, and, you know, it's just really insulting because he's using this as a defense and it's not going to fly. It is going to be proven that he was an informant for over 30 years, which it has already.

LEMON: So, Red, before of we move on. I think I can call you "Red," I hope. Before we move on and tell people what's going to happen in the trial, what you think is going to happen in the trial tomorrow, what is so honorable about a code -- a criminal code you believe, you're honoring your heritage, you said, in some way? SHEA: Well, being Irish, throughout the history of Ireland, the people of Ireland had been repressed for many years. So in their fighting of not being repressed, they always honored that code and not giving up their comrades. So it kind of falls into play in the heritage part of our ethnicity.

LEMON: Yes.

Self-described hitman John Martorano is going to take the stand tomorrow. What do you think he is going to say?

SHEA: He is going to say what he already said. He's going to say how he executed these guys and he was ordered by Whitey Bulger.

LEMON: All right. John "Red" Shea, stand by. We're going to bring in Holly Hughes now. We're going to talk a little bit more, because tomorrow begins week two in the George Zimmerman murder trial, and the neighborhood which volunteer watchman was charged with second degree murder for killing Trayvon Martin, a teenager there, 29 potential jurors in this case who were individually questioned last week, will likely be among a group called down to create the jury that decides Zimmerman's fate.

Now, the judge has also decided that six jurors and four alternates that are ultimately chosen will be sequestered. She just decided that last week.

Criminal defense attorney, Holly Hughes -- again, there she is. She's in Atlanta.

Holly, a few of the potential jurors said they know little about this case. Do you believe that?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE: Well, it depends on their age. You know, if they're younger, it's a little harder to believe because it was all over social media. There were a lot of protests on Facebook that were posted, a lot of Twittering about it.

But if you are talking about an older generation and people who aren't necessarily using social media so much, it could be believable. But Sanford is not a huge city like New York City. So I fine it a little odd when they say I didn't know what was going on right here in my own hometown.

LEMON: So, what -- then what does that mean? You think these potential jurors are lying?

HUGHES: Well, it's possible. Let's remember, Don, something that happened in jury selection this past week was one of the jurors answered the questionnaire, answered the lawyers' and judge's questions and said, I don't know anything about this case within don't follow it, I don't have an opinion.

Well, then they went behind him and looked and he had been posting things on Facebook about this very case. So we know at least one of them was not particularly honest because the judge said, you're out of here, you're dismissed, because you weren't -- as you know, Don, transparent, right? Isn't that one of our great words? Name of your book.

LEMON: Right.

HUGHES: So you need to tell the truth. You need to just put it out there and the idea is not that you don't have to know anything about it, but given what you do know, can you still be fair? Can you base your verdict on what comes out in the courtroom and not what you've heard in the press.

LEMON: Yes. They believe this is going to take two to four weeks. Scott Peterson, the jury there, the selection took 12 weeks, O.J. Simpson took over a month. How long do you think that this jury selection process is going to take?

HUGHES: I think we may get our jury by the end of the week. And here's why -- the two big cases you just mentioned are distinguishable. Remember, Scott Peterson was a death penalty case and not only was the alleged murderer of his wife, but of his unborn son. So there are a lot of different questions you need to ask there and a lot of emotions involved especially with the death penalty case.

With O.J. Simpson, the reason that it took so long was you were talking about a celebrity. Even if you weren't necessarily a football fan, you knew this man from the Hertz commercials. He was an accomplished actor by that point in time, had made movies.

So you're fighting those two big issues, the death penalty and celebrity. And remember also, we were picking 12-person juries in those cases. Here we only need six. So, you know, half the jury, half the time.

LEMON: All right. Holly Hughes, thank you very much. And thank you very much to John "Red" Shea, as well. Two big trials that we will be watching in the coming weeks.

A woman who falsely accused a high school football star of rape has to pay $2.6 million to the school district. In 2002, Wanetta accused Brian Banks, a star football player and classmate, she also sued the Long Beach unified school district for lax security and received a $750,000 settlement. Now, a judge has ordered her to repay that money, plus interest, legal fees and a million dollars in punitive damages.

Banks was convicted and served more than five years in prison before Gibson admitted she was not raped. Shortly after he was exonerated, Banks told CNN he's not angry.

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BRIAN BANKS, EXONERATED OF RAPE: I've had those moments where I was very angry and very bitter. This was around the time that I first received a six-year sentence in prison. But it was at that time that I realized that regardless of the situation that I'm in, it was more important how I controlled myself while in those situations. I just thought better for me, my health and my future to just move forward and try to be the best person I can be regardless of what I'm going through.

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LEMON: We should tell you that, earlier this year, Banks signed an NFL contract with the Atlanta Falcons and is currently in the Falcons' training camp as a 27-year-old rookie.

Three people are dead and two others in critical condition after a shooting spree by one gunman in Omaha, Nebraska.

It all started yesterday afternoon when one man was shot and critically injured. About 20 minutes later, another person was shot, also critically injured. Less than five minutes after that, a third person was shot and later died. And then minutes later a fourth man was found wounded in an alley and later died.

Police caught up with the suspect, exchanged gunfire around the suspect who was still identified was killed. No motive has been given for any of the shootings.

Where in the world is NSA leaker Edward Snowden and is he a Chinese spy? I'll say it again -- is he a Chinese spy? The White House and former Vice President Dick Cheney weighing in.

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LEMON: Where is Edward Snowden? Only a few people know right now. He could still be in Hong Kong. He could be anywhere, really.

But most Americans have a strong opinion about what should happen to him. Snowden the face behind the leak, he is the one who took secret information he learned as a federal employee, secrets about an under- the-radar government surveillance program and went to the media fully aware of the consequences.

Well, here's the strong opinion part of it. "Time" magazine took a poll and found that more than half of Americans belief Snowden did the right thing, 54 percent. And 28 percent of people polled don't think he should be prosecuted at all.

As for the White House and what people think there, the chief of staff says President Obama will speak on the issue in the coming days. We look to hear from the president on this issue coming up soon.

I'm going to play you some of the clips from people on the Sunday morning talk show rounds. They were all talking about this NSA program and about Snowden and the leaker and all of it. Take a listen.

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REP. MIKE ROGERS, CHAIRMAN, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: I can't tell you how strong we need to make this clear. The NSA is not listening to Americans' phone calls and it is not monitoring their e- mails. If they did, it's illegal. It is breaking the law.

DENIS MCDONOUGH, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: I think you'll hear the president talk about this in the days ahead. We found ourselves communicating in different ways. But that means the bad guys are doing that as well. So we have to find the right balance between protecting our privacy, which is sacrosanct in the president's view and protecting the country from the very real risks and threats that we face.

DICK CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I think is he a trader. I'm very, very worried that he still has additional information that he's not released yet, that the Chinese would welcome the opportunity and probably willing to provide immunity for him or sanctuary for him, if you will, in exchange for what he presumably knows or doesn't know.

So, it's going to be a continuing problem. I don't think this is just a one-off disclosure. I think there is a real danger here that he'll go beyond that. I have trouble believing that somebody in his position as a contract employee had had access to the kind of things he's talking about.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS: So, you don't think he was acting alone.

CHENEY: I don't know.

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LEMON: All right. So, there you heard the Washington figures all talking about this.

Let's get to Athena Jones right now. She's in Washington. You can see standing there in front of the White House.

Athena, you just heard from the former vice president. He says he considers Edward Snowden a trader. We have a "Time" magazine poll that suggests that most Americans feel the opposite is true, at least in that poll.

Is Washington divided down the middle on this or pretty much do people in Washington say, hey, this guy is a trader, he should be prosecuted?

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Don.

Well, a lot of the loudest voices are saying that Edward Snowden is someone who should be prosecuted, who should be held accountable for what's done. But there is, of course, that division between people who want to applaud him and those who want to condemn him. I have a chance to speak with a former NSA director, General Michael Hayden, and he said that Edward Snowden's actions have been very harmful to the United States. You know, Don, there is also debate whether these surveillance programs have made Americans safer and really how they work.

Let's listen to what Colorado Senator Mark Udall had to say about all this, this morning.

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SEN. MARK UDALL (D), COLORADO: I don't think collecting millions and millions of Americans' phone calls -- now this is the metadata, this is time, place, to whom you direct the calls -- is making us any safer. And I think it's ultimately perhaps a violation of the Fourth Amendment. I think we ought to have this debate.

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JONES: I think it is probably not surprising that Senator Udall is going to get his wish. We are going to have this debate. This debate has been ongoing since this NSA story broke and it is going to be continuing, Don.

LEMON: So, I just said that the president is going to be talking about this. The White House says expect him to make a comment on the coming days about this leak situation, about Snowden. Is he going to do that from his trip in Europe?

JONES: Well, it's hard to say if that's for sure when he'll make these remarks. He certainly could be asked about it during that trip. When he does speak we expect him to say some of the same things he said earlier this month when asked about this program, which is talking about the need to balance privacy with security.

He was asked about this surveillance program earlier this month. He said there is a trade-off. You can't have 100 percent privacy while also having security and no inconvenience. He's talked about he had some skepticism about these programs on.

When he got into office, his folks reviewed these programs, maybe increased some of the safeguards. He believes these programs are working to make Americans safer. So, that's the kind of thing we expect him to touch on when we do hear from him, whether next week or a few weeks after that -- Don.

LEMON: Athena Jones at the White House -- thank you, Athena.

JONES: Thanks.

LEMON: Coming you up, a New England Patriots Super Bowl ring is sitting inside -- a Russian museum? The team's owner claims it was stolen. You won't believe who he says took it.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: This week on "THE NEXT LIST," 3D printing pioneer Bre Pettis is on the mission to take this once expensive technology and put it directly in the hands of every day consumers.

BRE PETTIS, MAKERBOT CEO: You start with a digital design, then you send it to the machine and it builds it up layer by layer. That same rush that I got as a kid when I fixed something or when I made something, I still want that. I want everybody to have that.

I'm Bret Pettis, CEO of MakerBot. And I make things that make things.

GUPTA: Find out how he's helping to ignite the next industrial revolution this Saturday, 2:30 Eastern, on "THE NEXT LIST."

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LEMON: Russia's president saying now he is no thief. Vladimir Putin is hitting back at accusations that he swiped a Super Bowl ring belonging to New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft.

The story is so bizarre, we couldn't make it up and we had to get Alina Cho to report on it and give us all the details. What? What the --

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I did not say that I was going to sit on this next to you. I know.

LEMON: Yes.

CHO: Well, you know, it's really a case of international he said/he said, if you think about it, right?

LEMON: Right.

CHO: So, let me take you back. The story broke in the "New York post" this week after Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots, made an appearance at a gala in New York and basically he was accepting the Carnegie Hall medal of excellence. During that acceptance speech, he essentially said that in 2005, he was visiting St. Petersburg with business leaders. He met with Vladimir Putin. He showed him at the time, shiny, new, $25,000 diamond encrusted Super Bowl ring which had had his name engraved in it. When Putin took a good look at it and said, according to Kraft, "He goes, 'I could kill someone with this ring.' I put my hand out and he put it in his pocket and three KGB guys got around him and walked out."

LEMON: OK.

CHO: So was it a gift?

LEMON: Did he say, hey, I want my ring back?

CHO: Well, not exactly. Apparently, Putin put it in his pocket, walked out, as you heard. The issue is this -- apparently, according to Kraft and the "New York Post," White House officials had told Kraft at the time, listen, don't make a big deal out of it. Say it was a gift, citing U.S.-Soviet relations.

At the time he went along with it. He even put out a statement saying it was a gift. But today after repeated prodding -- you know I don't give up -- I called Robert Kraft's spokesman. He put out a statement today and it says, in part -- let me find it here -- "It's a humorous anecdotal story that Robert retells for laughs. He loves that his ring is at Kremlin. And as he stated back in 2005, he continues to have great respect for Russia and the leadership of President Putin."

Now, look closely at those words. There's no mention of whether that ring was a gift or whether it was taken. It was stolen.

So he doesn't quite address that. But it remains a mystery. We will be watching it very closely.

LEMON: You know what happened.

CHO: Well, listen, are you going to ask Vladimir Putin for the ring back?

LEMON: I would, because it might cause an international stir.

CHO: Well, you go ahead and do that.

LEMON: And why would Robert Kraft make up some story -- some crazy story like that? I mean, it's -- you can't write these things.

CHO: You can't write these things. You're right. You can't make it up.

LEMON: I would say, "I want my ring back." People take rings back all the time.

I'd let it stay on display at the Kremlin library.

Better in a safety deposit box. Thank you, appreciate it. We appreciate the story. We're going to be following and see what happens.

Coming up, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush has a new argument for immigration reform, but I don't doubt it is one you have heard before.

But first, many Americans have given up finding a traditional job and gone to work for themselves. This American journey report, Tom Foreman shows us now some of the resources available to them.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When this small tech company began out in Kansas, one of the founders, Dan Carroll, knew he needed virtually no permanent staff, just talented temporary workers hired when needed and ready to embrace a new professional mantra.

DAN CARROLL, LEAP 2: I guess sort of the idea that the job you create for yourself is the most stable job you could have.

FOREMAN: He's not alone. One business study estimates there are already more than 17 million Americans who no longer work for companies, but sell their skills day by day. And that number could jump to 23 million in the next few years.

SARA HOROWITZ, FOUNDER, FREELANCERS UNION: Yes, freelancing is happening everywhere.

FOREMAN: At the Freelancers Union in New York, the founder, Sara Horowitz, knows all about it.

HOROWITZ: It is really a phenomenon where people are hard working, and they're just putting together a bunch of projects and they work in fields ranging from being a doctor to a programmer to being a nanny.

FOREMAN: Not much like a traditional union, her group helps its members take on all the tasks that employers used to manage, networking for the next job, marketing skills, and the toughest part, managing health care. By combining their purchasing power, she says group members get insurance for 40 percent less than it would cost them individually. And for all the headaches --

HOROWITZ: Because they don't work that 9:00 to 5:00, they can be home when their kids get home from school. They can still do the things they love, the projects that many of us say, well, we'll do that when we retire.

FOREMAN: And she suspects many freelancers, despite some economic jitters, are feeling more free because they left the everyday office behind.

Tom Foreman, CNN, Kansas City.

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LEMON: Jeb Bush says immigrants are more fertile. Florida's ex- governor made the comment Friday at a convention for religious conservatives.

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JEB BUSH (R), FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR: Immigrants create far more businesses than native born Americans over the last 20 years. Immigrants are more fertile and they love families and they're more -- they have more intact families and they bring a younger population.

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LEMON: Well, the crowd was silent after Bush's remarks. The comment came while Bush was talking about overhauling immigration. Later, a Bush spokesman clarified saying -- he or she clarified saying Bush meant that immigrants and Hispanics in particular have larger families and more children.

So I want to bring in our political panel now to discuss this and more.

CNN analyst and Republican strategist, Ana Navarro is in Miami and special correspondent for "The Root," Keli Goff, joins me here in New York.

Ana, to you first. Were you -- were you offended by Jeb Bush's remarks? Did you know what he was saying? I -- and I have to ask you as, you know, an Hispanic, are you more fertile? ANA NAVARRO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Don, I don't know if I'm more fertile but I do know that we do end up having a lot of babies as immigrants. Look, what he was saying was true. I don't -- and, you know, and Jeb Bush is known as one of the big thinkers, idea guys, policy guys in the Republican Party.

What he was saying is true. I think it makes some people nervous because it means it's getting -- it's the browning of America. But it is what it is. I will tell you later that day, I sent him an e-mail and said, thanks, pal, you just put me in a pickle. I'm just waiting for my mom to call and say, OK, your friend Jeb says you immigrants have more kids, are more fertile. You're an immigrant, what are you waiting for to give me a kid? A grandkid. So you know -- and he said my mother would be right. LEMON: Yes. I think most people got it. Maybe they didn't. If people were offended. I think most people got what he was saying. It doesn't -- sometimes things will come out of your mouth, Keli, and you don't know exactly -- sometimes you want to pull it back but you got the gist of what he was saying.

KELI GOFF, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT, THE ROOT: I did. And look, "New York" magazine actually did this slide show of all of the racist comments that have been made since President Obama was elected and there have been quite a few of them, particularly coming from conservatives. This was not one of them. This was not a racist or offensive remark. We know what he was trying to say, and what he's saying is true, although he did miss the stats that actually the birth rate among Latino women dropped in the last couple of years among --

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LEMON: Yes, but -- OK. And let's clarify, too. Jeb Bush married to a Mexican-born woman.

GOFF: That's right.

LEMON: Strongly supports immigration reform so --

GOFF: And one of the leading voices on this. And I actually loved the remark. And the reason I loved it is because we have all those studies showing that the white death rate is actually higher than the white birth rate for the first time ever in our country's history. We also know that the birth rate among white baby is no longer majority. And I actually interviewed a white supremacist last year about those findings and he was freaking out because he was saying, we've been warning about this, about white women not having enough babies, and that our country was turning brown.

So when I heard Jeb Bush say this, I was like right on, because it's got -- you know, get white supremacists or whoever don't want to see a diverse America lose a little more sleep. I think it's great.

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LEMON: How does -- how does this change -- how does this change in the birth -- birth rate among whites and what -- you know, what Jeb Bush said about Hispanics being more fertile really just having more families and more babies. How does this change us as Americans? How does it change Americans and especially politically, Ana? What do you think?

NAVARRO: Well, what do you -- the point he's trying to make is an economic point when it comes to the immigration debate. We're in the midst of the immigration debate. It's on the Senate floor. And what he's saying is, folks, we need workers in America and the immigrants are, frankly, younger and they're providing more workers for the American economy.

It's about progress. It's about economy. That's the political argument he was making. And when you put it in context, you see that that's what it's all about. He is framing the immigration debate in an economic perspective.

LEMON: Go ahead.

GOFF: I'll tell you how it's going to change things, Don. I'm from the home state -- from Texas which we all know has gone Republican for I think since LBJ. And Jeb Bush is actually the one who said that the changing make-up of this country, that we're becoming a browner country, Texas has actually become a blue state he said if Republicans didn't get their immigration reform act together.

That's how it's changing this country. We're seeing swing states in play that used to not be in play because of the number of immigrants coming to this -- to this country. So it's changing our country. The fastest growing group is actually multi-racial Americans. So I am hoping that one day we're going to be all so mixed up and a lot of this nonsense we're always arguing about in terms of race is kind of -- becomes a moot point.

LEMON: So, Ana, this just came to me so the --

NAVARRO: Well, Don, Don, just one last point. For all the -- for all the people watching the three of us on TV right now, we just got one message. We got you surround but we come in peace.

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LEMON: Ana, you're always trouble. So I have to ask though -- the criticism is, even from people in the GOP, from the -- people within your own party, Ana, is that the party does not appeal to minorities. Then what does this mean for the Republican Party?

NAVARRO: It means we either figure out how to appeal to minorities and gays and younger people and women, or we're never going to see the inside of the White House. And having been in the inside of the White House, I can tell you, it's a lot nicer than the outside of the White House.

So, you know, it is -- it is not an option for the Republican Party. This is not -- I hear many people say, you know, if we pass this immigration legislation we're making 11 million new Democrats. That's plainly false and that, I would tell you, is offensive. And I have heard it from Democrats, including Vice President Biden, and from some Republicans.

It is wrong and it is not optional for the Republican Party because we either figure out this formula on how to attract other voters, minority voters, make the tent bigger, or we're, frankly, going to find ourselves standing under our small umbrella.

LEMON: Yes. Ana, thank you. Keli, thank you.

Ana, you know, we had this conversation at dinner the other night, you and I. And it's on television now and I think it's a great conversation to have and that one we will continue to have.

NAVARRO: I'm glad this is the only part of the conversation that's on television.

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LEMON: Well. The first part almost got on. But you know, you held yourself on that. Thank you, Ana Navarro, we appreciate it. Thank you, Keli Goff again.

GOFF: Thanks.

LEMON: All right. Coming up, this mom just wasn't having it when a would-be carjacker pulled out a knife. Find out what she did to get him out of the minivan and off the streets.

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LEMON: A Texas mother being praised for her quick thinking in protecting her children and landing a would-be robber in jail.

CNN's Nick Valencia joins me now from Atlanta with the frightening details.

Hi, Nick.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Don. Yes, today is Father's Day but we're highlighting the actions of one very courageous mother. According to KHOU, a would-be robber got in the back of Dorothy Baker's minivan, and then pulled a knife on her. That's when instinct took over. She was able to snatch the knife from his hand and punched him in the face.

All while driving the minivan and having her 2- and 5-year-old in the car. Now she described what happened to our affiliate KHOU.

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DOROTHY BAKER, MOTHER FOUGHT WOULD-BE ROBBER: I told him to get the hell out of my car and he said, fine. He got out and he started running. And the next thing I thought was, if he gets away, he can do this to somebody else.

(END VIDEO CLIP) VALENCIA: And, Don, it didn't stop there. She intentionally drove her car into a utility pole. He wasn't wearing a seatbelt. She was hoping that that could force him to crash through the windshield. That didn't happen. He did, however, eventually get out of the car. And that's when she says, she didn't mean to, but she ran the would-be robber over. He was airlifted to a local area hospital with serious injuries and of course when he gets out, he'll be facing felony charges -- Don.

LEMON: Sometimes karma takes a long time. Sometimes it's immediate.

VALENCIA: Yes.

LEMON: Thank you very much for that, Nick Valencia. We appreciate it.

VALENCIA: You bet.

LEMON: Talk about overcoming the odds, one athlete's incredible life story and the life lessons he's teaching others. He joins us straight ahead. Don't go away.

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LEMON: This new development just in to CNN on the Edward Snowden leak case. According to Britain's "The Guardian" newspaper, Snowden's NSA documents reveal that the British government was tracking G-20 delegates' e-mails and phone calls back in 2009 at the G-20 summit in London.

Nic Robertson joins us now from Hong Kong with the very latest. What's this all mean, Nic?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, the revelation itself coming when the G-8 meeting is under way in Britain right now. It's all very embarrassing for the British government. And no doubt, some people will look at this and say that Snowden has gone from this sort of moral crusade, of wanting to say that the public should have an understanding of the monitoring that's going on of them. The timing of this latest revelation is quite serious, obviously.

What is he saying specifically? He is saying in "The Guardian" newspaper that he has documents that the British intelligence services were monitoring world leaders at the G-20 summit.

What -- how they did it? He said they set up fake Internet cafes to learn e-mail accounts, computer key strokes, hacking into BlackBerrys, real-time phone monitoring, 45 people dedicated to knowing when these world leaders were on the phone, specifically targeting the then- Russian president, Dmitri Medvedev, trying to -- trying to eavesdrop on his phone calls. Targeting the Turkish finance minister, targeting the South African delegation in particular.

So right now this could not come at a worse time, if you will, for the British government. The timing, therefore, a lot of people are going to question this -- Don.

LEMON: Yes. A lot of people are going to question. But let's pull back here. Is this really that surprising, Nic, that the British government would be -- would be doing that, would be monitoring people at the G-20 summit?

ROBERTSON: I think most people believe that their government will monitor other governments in their own national interest. At the time this was in 2009, this was a time of tough economic collapse. The British prime minister at the time, Gordon Brown, had expressed, again according to this "Guardian" newspaper article, that he wanted real- time information to get to his government ministries during this -- during this G-20 summit so that they can achieve the outcome they wanted.

This would be, I think for many people, no surprise, which again questions the timing of this particular release because it seems time to embarrass as well as inform. And of course we'll throw into question why the cyber hacking leaks and about China as well came at a time when President Obama was meeting with President Xi of China. And the cyber hacking issue was a big issue.

So for some people this is going to make their view of Edward Snowden and his leaks look a little different than it did before -- Don.

LEMON: Great perspective, Nic Robertson. Thank you very much.

We'll be right back.

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LEMON: We've all had moments of adversity, a situation we find ourselves in that challenges us. Our next guest faced years of challenges as a child, including homelessness and having a child when he was still a child himself. But he never settled for what life had handed him. And through determination, he became a success. Both as an athlete and as a businessman.

Now Derek Anderson wants to inspire and encourage others. The former University of Kentucky basketball star and 11-year NBA player has written a new book, "Stamina." His message, don't ever give up.

Derek Anderson is here, along with Terence Moore. You see Terence here all the time. A CNN.com sports contributor.

Let me start about the word. The first words on your Web site caught our attention. It says, "Every day I woke up I always had a plan to do better myself."

Tell us about your childhood.

DEREK ANDERSON, AUTHOR, "STAMINA": You know, when I -- I had a rough child and my parents, they both left, both due, you know, alcohol and other things. But I found myself sleeping in hallways. Finding myself going to grocery stores to work at 11 years old or 12 years old, trying to fend for myself. And I used to take cold baths in (INAUDIBLE) detergent thinking it was soap. I wash my clothes and kept clean but I was always taught to be clean and keep (INAUDIBLE). And I realized, you know, being homeless and finding myself going to shelter homes and sleeping at people's houses in the neighborhood, it was part of my life and I just tried to get myself out of it.

LEMON: Is that the word, to get through that, you -- stamina? Is that you had to have stamina --

ANDERSON: You had to have stamina.

LEMON: You've had a son when you were 14. How did you handle that?

ANDERSON: It was tough. You know, then -- then when I was 15, I had to get custody of him. I had to work two jobs at the age of 15 and 16. And at that moment I realized life was about me making sacrifices. I said every day I woke I wanted to be better in what I was given.

LEMON: What do you mean by normal people? You said, "I never would have made something without -- of myself without normal people." What does that mean?

ANDERSON: Normal people is my neighbors, my school teachers who mean the most to me. The janitor who I used to sleep at the high school gymnasiums. He used to leave the light on so I could stay overnight because I had nowhere to go. So those are normal people that I focused on, and not celebrities where you treat athletes and entertainers on a pedestal more than what the people really mean. So the normal people are the everyday working people that cared about kids.

LEMON: What inspired you to write this book "Stamina" that -- having to get through, having to overcome all of this adversity.

ANDERSON: Well, looking back on my life and really how I appreciated it. You know, I used to sleep on mattress with my son and nights, we would just have no food, no heat, no electricity, and I realized I made it this far. You know, then I finally got my mother back in my life. Twenty years later last Christmas was the first Christmas dinner we had and I finally took out Mother's Day this year.

So it's been a blessing and me being able to forgive my family was more meant for the world to be able to forgive each other.

LEMON: Terence Moore, sitting there -- you're looking at him.

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I would say, it's quite different, like Nancy Reagan used to look at Ronnie. But you look really proud of him.

TERENCE MOORE, CNN.COM SPORTS CONTRIBUTOR: I really am. This is an example of how a great athlete actually gets it.

And, Don, you know, a couple of weeks ago, I said that the worst commercial ever made was when Charles Barkley looked in that camera and said, I am not a role model. We're all role models. This is a guy who gets it. This book us so riveting for so many reasons because one of the things that Derek did was, besides talking about all the horrific things that happened in his life, he gives what he calls life lessons along the way to tell people how to overcome those adversities in his life.

And of course what I got for Derek is, how do you relate those life lessons that you put in your book when you give your motivational speeches? Because I know you give a lot of them everywhere and people are just fascinated about what you say.

ANDERSON: Well, my point was is making sure the people realized that my success is not based on finances. It's based on my character. And that's what people don't realize. When you look at everything that happens in life, we'll be based everything what you've done on your character. So everything that I figured in my life, the point is was making sure people realized every decision I made had a consequence, whether good or bad.

And I think these kids need to see that, the choices I made to not go to the streets and to go to school, look at the outcome that I had. I could have easily went that way and been another statistic. But I chose to put life lessons in this because they need to know every decision I made had a result and the result was me playing 11 years with the NBA champion, college champion.

Everything happened because of my life decisions that I made and not based upon anything else.

LEMON: Thank you.

ANDERSON: Thank you so much.

LEMON: Thank you, Derek Anderson. The book again is called "Stamina."

And thank you to you as well, Terence Moore.

The book is called "Stamina." Make sure you go pick up a copy.

Appreciate that, gentlemen.

He's back. Talking about Tim Tebow signed by the New England Patriots. Will he play or is he just the way for the team to sell merchandise? That's next.

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LEMON: Tampa Bay Rays pitcher Alex Cobb was released from the hospital today one day after being hit in the head with a line drive during a game with the Kansas City Royals. Wow. Tough watch. He was diagnosed with a mild concussion. But all of his tests have come back normal. He was placed on a seven-day concussion list but there is no word on when he will resume pitching. His camp also said he never lost consciousness. Wow. Just when you thought Tebow mania might be dying out, guess what, he is back. The former Florida quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner has signed a two-year deal with the New England Patriots. That's a team which has one of the NFL's best QBs, Tom Brady. So what's going on here? A legit shot at stardom for Tebow or a chance for Patriots really to sell jerseys?

Now that sounds harsh but we have to ask that question because "Sports Illustrated's" Jon Wertheim is here to answer -- help us answer some of that.

So what do you think? Is this legitimate? Or is it just a way for them to sell merchandise?

JON WERTHEIM, SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, SPORTS ILLUSTRATED: We just had the owner giving Putin his ring. They don't need to sell merchandise. But no, I mean, we're all sort of mystified by this. Tebow gets picked up. And we have this great (INAUDIBLE), here's this player with all this hype. I don't think there's ever been an athlete where the gap between hype and on-field accomplishment has been this vast.

Everybody wants to know why, they go, there was a press conference and Bill Belichick gives up nothing. So, you know, on the one hand, look, 18 months ago this guy was a playoff quarterback. On the other hand --

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LEMON: Eighteen months ago.

WERTHEIM: Back it up Mark Sanchez, he doesn't get a whole lot of stamps. You don't expect that to change much with Tom Brady as a starter.

LEMON: OK. I have to ask you then, because there are two different camps here.

WERTHEIM: Yes.

LEMON: There's a camp that says he's not that good, he's just hype. And one that says, no, he's great. Which is it? Is he that good?

WERTHEIM: You know, honestly we've lost all perspective on this issue now. But the jury is still out. I mean, he did enough in Denver so people could say we'd be crazy not to put him on the roster and he's done enough subsequent so people say this guy should be on. You know, we saw a serious article of someone saying he should play rugby. That would really be the best use of his talent. So no one knows anything and we'll see what happens in the fall.

LEMON: All right. Can we move on basketball?

WERTHEIM: Come on.

LEMON: And we'll see. That will play and we'll see what happens. Let's move on to basketball tonight because the Heat and the Spurs. It seems like every time they play a different team shows up. Which team is going to show up tonight?

WERTHEIM: Yes. And no rhythm, no momentum to the series whatsoever. We've had blowouts and they've alternated. I think San Antonio wins tonight. I think Miami wins the next two. How's that?

LEMON: What? Really? Why, because it's at home?

WERTHEIM: Home court. Home court, very powerful.

LEMON: I know. The last time they were at home, it was -- it was almost a blowout. Would you consider it a blowout? It was --

WERTHEIM: Yes. It's borderline blowout. Yes, I mean, look, we've had four games, three of them have been blowouts, and just when it looks like one team has solved this riddle, they lay an egg the next time. So it's been a weird one.

LEMON: All right. So you think it's going to be the Heat?

WERTHEIM: I do.

LEMON: All right. He said it. And before we go, can we talk about Jason Kidd? He retired, what, let's see, retired from the game, 10 days later he's a coach of the Brooklyn Nets. Is that a good move or is that a disaster waiting to happen?

WERTHEIM: It's gutsy. I'll tell you that. I mean, you know, this guy goes from playing to coaching. We don't see that too often. Either this is going to completely recalibrate all this coaching org chart, or even Erik Spoelstra, the Heat's young coach, did 15 years working his way up. So either Jason Kidd is going to turn it on its head or players are never again going to make that move.

But, you know, you're in New York now.

LEMON: I know.

WERTHEIM: We can go to -- we can go to a Brooklyn game, we'll see what this is all about.

LEMON: You like seats?

WERTHEIM: We can get seats.

LEMON: I like to sit really close like where you feel like you're interrupting the action, which means like on the front row.

WERTHEIM: Well, you know what, Knicks, that's a big ask, Brooklyn, we might be able to make that happen.

LEMON: Thank you.

WERTHEIM: Thank you, Don.

LEMON: It's so good to be here with you. Good to see you. Thank you. We'll see you soon.