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Aired July 03, 2013 - 08:00 ET
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KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST: The Bolivian president is caught in the hunt for Edward Snowden, fears that the NSA informant is on his plane, forcing it to land in Vienna.
And we test out the latest update to the world's most dominant computer operating system Windows 8.1.
Egypt's president is lost in a standoff with protesters and his country's military. Now the military has told Mohamed Morsi he has just a few hours left for political change or the armed forces will step in. Now Egyptian TV reports that the head of the army called an emergency meeting with his commanding officers ahead of that deadline. But Mr. Morsi has already said he will not share power.
And with Egyptians on all sides promising to lay down their lives for their country, the number of casualties is rising. Health officials say at least 23 people were killed when anti-Morsi protesters clashed with the president's supporters at Cairo University overnight.
Now military helicopters also have been seen there above Tahrir Square.
Now despite the crowds calling for his resignation, President Mohamed Morsi still has some very strong support as Reza Sayah now reports, many are adamant that he remains in office.
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REZA SAYAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A passionate support for Egypt's embattled Islamist president Mohamed Morsi. Thousands of the president's backers coming out to say they're still standing, and so is the president.
"Secularists will never rule Egypt," they scream.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I support President Morsi. And I think he will stay.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one can take this choice from us.
SAYAH: No one can take Mr. Morsi, your choice, away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is our choice.
SAYAH: For President Morsi, holding on to power seems increasingly difficult. Mass demonstrations against him and the Muslim Brotherhood movement are bigger, taking place in far more cities. His ministers and aids are resigning, the police are keeping a low profile. And the military has given the government and the opposition a Wednesday deadline to fix Egypt's tangled political conflict. Otherwise, the military say, they're stepping in. It's mounting pressure that has President Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood cornered and isolated.
The Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt's Islamists have had a history of perseverance. Remember, for decades they were oppressed, sidelined, sometimes even tortured and killed, most recently by the Mubarak regime. But they stayed organized. They endured. And after the 2011 revolution, they managed to win parliamentary elections, then the presidential elections. This is what they've been waiting for, to be in power. Losing in power would clearly be a tough pill to swallow for many of these people.
For now, President Morsi's supporters are not backing down. He's Egypt's president, they say, elected freely and fairly. And the principles of democracy say he should finish out his term.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know he committed some mistakes and this is the nature of the human being, but the real democracy, not the fake one, their democracy is to give him the chance in order to complete his term.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want both sides to still sit around the table and negotiate for the future of this country.
SAYAH: With the clock ticking, the possibilities of negotiations seem more and more unlikely. And now all eyes on the Wednesday deadline to see what it brings. At stake, the future of post-revolution Egypt and this difficult transition from decades of dictatorship to democracy.
Reza Sayah, CNN, Cairo.
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LU STOUT: Now Ian Lee is also on the story. He is close to Tahrir Square in Cairo. He joins us now live. And Ian, what is the scene there at this moment.
IAN LEE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kristie, what we're seeing right now behind me is we have thousands of people starting to congregate in Tahrir Square, something typical that we've seen over the last few days, really building up into the early evening.
People, though, are just waiting to see what the military is going to do. Today is the deadline. They said that if there is no political agreements between President Morsi and the opposition that they are going to move in and take control. So right now everyone is just waiting to see what the military will do.
LU STOUT: ...right now. But once we hit that deadline, what could happen? How could the military enforce its ultimatum?
LEE: Well, something that we saw during the revolution was military tanks moving onto the streets. We didn't have any warning. We didn't have a heads up. All of a sudden we saw tanks moving down into the streets of Cairo, that's something that we expect could happen again if the military does move in to take control of the security. We'll see troops on the streets, checkpoints probably go up. That -- those are the signs of it. We've also seen military helicopters, more of them in the air.
These are the things that we've seen in the past when the military takes over and things we'll probably expect to see again.
LU STOUT: And Ian, Mohamed Morsi, he gave a very defiant speech last night. And he kept insisting over and over his legitimacy as a leader. How did that speech go down among the people of Egypt?
LEE: Well, it was split right down. On the one side, you have the people who are against him, who booed the speech when he was talking. They seem flat out as illegitimate, they say he hasn't been the legitimate president of Egypt since he had a constitutional declaration of powers. They say the whole process was a sham. You really hear of so many different variations there.
But then you go to his supporters. And his supporters say he's exactly right. He is the legitimate president of Egypt and they feel cheated that their person that they got elected into office is now being threatened to be removed from office. So both sides either applauding or jeering that speech.
LU STOUT: You speak in this divide among the people in Egypt. And when we look at these live scenes of all those protesters there in Tahrir Square, is there a significant presence of pro-Morsi demonstrators. Are there Morsi supporters out there in Tahrir Square or elsewhere?
LEE: Well, there are Morsi supporters. And they are in other sections of Cairo. Last night, though, we saw one of those protests attacked.
But there are Morsi supporters in the streets, thousands of supporters, albeit seeing both -- if you put both protests and the rallies side by side, these people protesting President Mohamed Morsi are by far greater in number. It's really hundreds of thousands if not millions of people we've seen over the past few days.
If you go to these pro-Morsi rallies, very strong show of force, very enthusiastic, energetic, but not quite near the numbers that we've seen on the other side.
LU STOUT: All right, Ian Lee giving us a full picture there live in Cairo for us. Thank you, Ian.
Now military helicopters have been seen sweeping over the crowds in Tahrir Square all week, sending a message to the crowd that the military, if not President Morsi, is listening to their demands.
That right there is the kind of reception they have been receiving on the ground. No matter the time of day, the choppers have been eliciting cheers from anti-Morsi protesters. Now these carried Egyptian flags through the skies as the sun set over Cairo.
Now the protesters are also finding innovative ways to visualize their message. Now those calling for the president to step down watched a giant laser show light up Tahrir Square. And anti-government slogans were displaced across a government building on the edge of the square.
Now the messages, they flash up quite quickly, so we want to take a closer look at two of them.
Now right here, a large crowd cheers as President Morsi's name appears in lights crossed out.
And this one, it really wraps up what protesters want to see. It simply spells out game over.
Now we will bring you much more on Egypt a little bit later here on the show. Also ahead here on News Stream, the political fallout over intelligence leaker Edward Snowden is widening. We'll look at which countries have been drawn into the diplomatic tangle and what their leaders have been saying.
The U.S. military has joined the fight to put out an Arizona wildfire days after 19 elite firefighters lost their lives.
And this U.S. citizen in prison in North Korea has just made a plea for his freedom. And we'll show you the new footage just in.
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LU STOUT: Welcome back. You're watching News Stream. And you're looking at a visual version of all the stories we are reporting on today. We started with the standoff in Egypt as the military deadline creeps ever closer. A little bit later, we'll look at Microsoft's newest operating system Windows 8.1.
But now, we want to tell you about a bizarre incident involving Bolivia's president as he was traveling through Europe.
Now it should have been a simple trip back to Bolivia from Moscow for Evo Morales, but both France and Portugal blocked the Bolivian president's plane from their airspace, because of what they call technical issues. Now that forced the Bolivian president to land in Vienna to refuel. And this was Mr. Morales as he got off the plane on Tuesday. Bolivian officials say that the reason for the diversions was because of suspicion that the man who revealed there was a U.S. surveillance program, Edward Snowden, was on board.
Now the Bolivian president was allowed to leave Vienna a short time ago. And before he left he said he could not understand why European governments would believe an unfounded rumor. And he accused them of using it as a pretext to intimidate him over his views of the United States.
Now Edward Snowden is still believed to be in the transit area of the Moscow airport. And the group WikiLeaks says it has helped him apply for asylum in 21 countries. Now Snowden has withdrawn his application to Russia and the countries highlighted in red here have either flat out rejected his requests or say he needs to be on their soil in order to properly ask for Asylum.
Now the ones in White have yet to respond or even acknowledge receipt of an asylum application.
And the ones in blue say that they are considering processing his application. You can see they are just two countries -- Ecuador and Norway, that are doing that at the moment.
Now both countries normally acquire the asylum seeker to be on their territory in order to make a formal asylum request.
Now Matthew Chance takes a look at Edward Snowden's best chance for being granted refuge.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's a few countries in South America whose leaders regularly trumpet their opposition to Washington that may yet decide Edward Snowden's fate.
Now the fugitive U.S. intelligence analyst has withdrawn his request from Russia for aslyum, attention is focusing on Venezuela, a nation at odds with the United States under its late President Hugo Chavez and whose current leader visiting Moscow would support Snowden's asylum claim.
NICOLAS MADURO, VENEZUELAN PRESIDENT (through translator): He has the right to be protected because of the way the United States is trying to pursue him. Did he put a bomb anywhere and kill anyone? He's actually preventing a war. He's actually preventing illegal activities against the world. He deserves protection against the whole world.
CHANCE: That's a view shared by another critic of the U.S. -- Bolivia's President Evo Morales. Also in Moscow for a gas conference, he told Russian television how he welcomed Snowden's revelations. If Snowden asks for asylum in Bolivia, Morales says, he would give it.
(on camera): Along with President Rafael Correa here in Ecuador, the left-wing leaders of Bolivia and Venezuela are frequent and vocal critics of United States policy. All three are joined in a larger regional fight against what they call U.S. imperialism inspired by Fidel Castro's leadership in Cuba. Granting Edward Snowden asylum must be a tempting opportunity for them to oppose Washington.
But it's risky, too. Early enthusiasm for Ecuador to offer asylum appears to have ebbed as concerns have risen over potential economic consequences for the country heavily dependent on U.S. markets. And, after years of hostility, analysts say Venezuela has been reaching out to Washington over recent months. Talk of granting its most prominent fugitive asylum may derail any progress.
Only impoverished Bolivia, it seems, and its fiercely anti-U.S. leader may have little to lose.
Matthew Chance, CNN, Quito, Ecuador.
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LU STOUT: An evening memorial for 19 firefighters took place on Tuesday night in an Arizona high school stadium. And ahead, the grief of one man -- this man, the last surviving member of Prescott's hotshot team.
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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong, you're back watching News Stream. And the U.S. military is now helping to fight the blaze that killed 19 firefighters in the state of Arizona on Sunday. And four of these C-130 transports have been loaded with fire retardant and thousands of liters of water. Now they will fly to the site of the blaze northwest of the capital of Phoenix to help fire crew on the ground.
The Yarnell Hill fire has scorched some 34 square kilometers. It's about 8 percent contained.
Now family and friends of the 19 elite firefighters killed in the blaze are devastated. Among them, parents, wives, children and the crew's lone survivor. Kyung Lah has his story.
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KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Assigned to the lookout position, Brendan McDonough had no idea he'd be watching the fire that killed his entire crew. His position was above the team when the wind suddenly shifted.
WADE WARD, SPOKESMAN, PRESCOTT FIRE DEPT: He radioed the crew that he had reached his trigger point and that he was leaving.
LAH: That was their last radio call. Minutes later, the rest of his brothers, all 19 of them, were gone.
Erratic, 80 mile per hour winds, drought drained brush, meant a fire that remained out of control for days. Firefighters blamed the extraordinary conditions, a perfect storm of a wildfire for the deaths.
BATALLION CHIEF RALPH LUCAS, PRESCOTT FIRE DEPT: Basically the wind changed. You had a thunderstorm that was above. They have a tendency to push winds around just because of the dynamics of nature and the way they work and that's what may have occurred during that time period.
LAH: Firefighters say there was nothing McDonough could do to save his brothers. Reggie Day is a U.S. Forest Service firefighter who fought fires with a hotshot crew.
REGGIE DAY, U.S. FOREST SERVICE: It's going to be tough. I mean, it's -- he lost his crew, you know, and he's -- you know, and I don't really know what to -- I couldn't put myself in his shoes, I couldn't. I couldn't even -- I couldn't do it.
LAH: What McDonough feels is guilt, says Juliann Ashcraft. Ashcraft's husband, Andrew, didn't come home. Her four children will grew up with only their mother's stories of their dad.
JULIANN ASHCRAFT, WIFE OF FALLEN FIREFIGHTER: Their dad is amazing. And I will tell them every day of their life how much he loved them. But he's here. I look in their faces and I see him. They look just like him.
LAH: Kyung Lah, CNN, Prescott, Arizona.
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LU STOUT: Such a tragic story.
Let's get more now on the conditions that the firefighters are up against. Mari Ramos is following that. She joins us now from the World Weather Center -- Mari.
LU STOUT: Hey, Kristie. I want to show you, first of all, this satellite image for this part of the world. And I think this will really kind of show us what they've been experiencing here across this area as far as weather.
Look, pretty much fairly dry and then all of a sudden these thunderstorms pop up. There you see them right there. And then they disappear.
Across the southwestern U.S. you can see that happening here again yesterday.
Where these storms are going to form? Pretty much along this entire region. Are they all going to bring rain? Not necessarily, but they do make the winds kind of gust very, very quickly and that's precisely how those -- how they think those firefighters were actually trapped by the fire when the wind shifted suddenly as these thunderstorms were approaching.
So again that same weather pattern continues making conditions very dangerous.
The other thing that happened is that it can also bring lightning. And that is a big concern.
Overall, yeah, it's going to stay sunny most of the day. And then those thunderstorms begin to pop up. Similar situation again happening today.
Those winds, 15, 20 kilometers per hour, not out of the question higher gusts at times. Of course, once those thunderstorms kick up, depending on where they actually form, you're going to get those higher wind gusts. So they still have quite, quite difficult conditions to contend with, especially once those thunderstorms form, even if they're not right on top of them if they're nearby, even several hundred kilometers away, sometimes you can still get those strong gusty winds.
And then the temperature is still remaining fairly above normal. Right now, the temperature not too bad, because it is pretty late right now -- or I should say pretty early in the morning here across the western portion of the U.S. 21 the temperature right now. The winds generally light. The humidity, notice, kind of going up a little bit. And that gives us an indication of this warm moisture in the air that could give us those stronger thunderstorms later today.
So that is definitely something we'll continue watching.
The other thing is that we still have those fire warnings across other parts of the country. And you can see them right over here across the west. This, combined with the high temperatures -- remember that we're still dealing with above average temperatures across the west including these excessive heat warnings that are in place, record breaking temperatures that have lasted since last week and continue on even into this week, making the situation even more dangerous not just for those firefighters, but for millions of people across the western U.S. that continues to be a big story.
The other thing, shifting gears toward the east, very heavy rainfall expected all the way from New England all the way down to the southeastern coast of the U.S. Flash flood warnings are in place. We could see some significant weather here developing in the next few hours, really. The scattered rain showers are already started to happen.
And this covers not just today, Wednesday, but also as we head into the Fourth of July weekend. A lot of people expecting to travel. There's going to be huge travel delays. And of course all those Fourth of July celebrations kind of getting a damper there because of the weather.
With my last 30 seconds, the weather across Asia. We can't forget the flooding that happened in India, of course, where over 1,000 people were killed. The rebuilding process going very, very slow. You see this boy here sitting on top of the boulders of what's left of his village there.
Scattered rain showers affecting these areas. And you can see a lot of heavy rain across central parts of India again. We're still following this story, because the rain is expected to be quite heavy at times in areas farther to the south. And last but not least, over 18,000 people evacuated across portions of interior China. Unfortunately, more rain is expected in this region as well, Kristie.
This is a story that we will continue to monitor closely. We could see more evacuations because even though it has stopped raining in some of those areas, rivers are still rising and watch for the rain now starting to shift more toward the east.
Back to you.
LU STOUT: Yeah, desperate situation for many people there in the flood zone in China. Mari Ramos there, thank you.
Now more than 140 million women and girls worldwide have experienced female genital mutilation. And that often means the end of schooling. This week's CNN Hero refused to accept that fate. And even though lawmakers in her home country, Kenya, have banned the practice, it still persists. So Kakenya Ntaiya is now challenging tradition and giving girls a chance to shape their own destiny.
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KAKENYA NTAIYA, WOMEN'S RIGHTS ACTIVIST: I avoided the ceremony as far as I could. Most of the Massai girls undergo this mutilation when they are 12. I really liked going to school. I knew that once I go through the cutting, I am going to be married off and my dream of becoming a teacher was going to end.
My mind said run away, but I had to face my dad and say I will only go through the cutting if he lets me go back to school.
It was done in the morning using a very old rusty knife with no anesthesia. I can never forget that day.
Eventually, I was the first girl in my community to go to college in the U.S.
I am Kakenya Ntaiya, and I returned to my village to start a school for girls so they too can achieve their full potential.
When girls started our school, they're very shy. But over time, we see them very confident.
How are you girls?
CROWD: Fine.
NTAIYA: They are doing very well.
It's the most exciting thing, our walk is about empowering the girls.
These girls, what they know to be cut they're dreaming of becoming lawyers, teachers, doctors.
Fathers are nothing (ph), my daughter could do better than my son.
Why should you work hard? To achieve your goals.
I came back so girls in my community don't have to negotiate like I did to achieve their dreams. That why I wake up every morning.
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LU STOUT: She is amazing. Now Kakenya Ntaiya's school currently has 155 students. And to enroll, parents must agree not to circumcise their daughters. And to learn more about the school's program, or to nominate someone you think deserves to be recognized, go to CNNHeroes.com.
Now the deadline set by the army for Egypt's president to meet the people's demand -- coming up next on News Stream, we'll go live to Cairo for the very latest on the anti-government demonstrations.
And an American jailed in North Korea, rare video of Kenneth Bae who is serving 15 years of hard labor in a North Korean prison camp and appealing to the U.S. government to get him out.
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LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching News Stream and these are your world headlines.
Now as rallies for and against Egypt's president go on, Egyptian TV reports that the head of the army has held an emergency meeting with his commanding officers. Now the military told Mohamed Morsi to enact political change or the armed forces will intervene. And that deadline given is approaching. Now health officials say at least 23 people were killed in clashes at Cairo University overnight.
The Bolivian president has left Vienna after his plane was forced to make a diversion. Evo Morales was returning to Bolivia from Moscow, but French, Portuguese, Spanish and Italian authorities denied the plane access to their air space, citing technical problems. Now Bolivian officials say the real reason was a rumor that U.S. intelligence leaker Edward Snowden was on board. Snowden was not found. Mr. Morales has blasted European governments for the delay.
Now a court in South Africa has ruled that the grandson of former South African president Nelson Mandela must return the remains of three Mandela relatives to their graves in Qunu. Now the case had caused a family row after some members of the family had accused Mandla Mandela of illegally relocating the remains of three of Mandela's children to his birthplace.
Now let's get the very latest on the situation unfolding in Cairo right now. Our Reza Sayah is standing by. And Reza, after those deadly clashes overnight, what is happening now?
SAYAH: I think we're doing what much of Egypt is doing, we're waiting to see what the coming hours is going to bring and what's escalating this drama is that now there's three separate factions in this conflict. You always had the opposition, the liberals and the moderates facing off against the president and his Islamists, the supporters. But now, of course, you have the armed forces joining in the fray with their ultimatum. And now what we've been seeing over the past 12 hours is these sides making statements they could be easily perceived as incendiary and very provocative.
Of course, two days ago, the military delivering the ultimatum and a deadline that's coming up today calling on the president, the government and the opposition factions to fix this conflict, resolve matters otherwise the armed forces said it's going to step in.
Last night, of course, the president in his televised address, giving no indication that he plans to step aside and he added that he's prepared to give his life, he's prepared to die to protect the democratic process, the legitimacy of this democratic transition.
Then the armed forces respond saying they're willing to die to protect the people. They will not allow extremists -- and that's a quote, extremists to threaten the Egyptian people.
Now that's where things stand right now.
Overnight, some clashes in Cairo University. At least 23 people killed, hundreds of injured. That could be, Kristie, could be a glimpse of what's to come if this conflict is not resolved politically very soon.
LU STOUT: That's right, this conflict is getting deadly. Incredible messages of defiance coming from the Egyptian president. What are your sources telling you, Reza, about what could happen next. We are quickly approaching that deadline for the military ultimatum. Once that is hit, how will the army respond?
SAYAH: Well, these are all unknowns, which just adds to the drama. But what you can expect in the next few hours, lots of phone calls, lots of meetings. I think right now the armed forces, military leaders, are doing what they can to avoid any kind of conflict, to reach some sort of agreement. The problem is, neither side is backing down. They all seem to be drawing lines in the sand and they're staying put.
Is it possible in the coming hours that the military can convince these two sides to sit together? If they don't, now they've kind of turned the spotlight on themselves with the ultimatum. They're saying that they will impose their will.
Now how did they do that? If the president doesn't back down, how do they convince him to back down? Do they surround the palace with tanks? I think most analysts agree that's something the army wants to avoid. But the closer you get to this deadline, the most that seems to be likely -- the army and the presidency in a confrontation.
LU STOUT: And as you mentioned earlier there are three key players in all this: the president, the military, the protesters. We know why the protesters are angry. You've been reporting it here on News Stream. They're angry about the security situation there. They're angry about the economy. But do they have a clear list of demands? I mean, would they be satisfied by an early election or something like that? What do they want?
SAYAH: Right now, their demand, and this is a demand that unifies them, is the ouster of President Morsi. And keep in mind this has been a remarkable evolution for the opposition. They first started calling for President Morsi's ouster last year back in November right after his controversial constitutional decrees.
That initial push failed. It petered out.
Then they started the campaign, the so-called rebel campaign three months ago with a petition drive, gathering signatures calling for the president to step down, calling for new elections. That was a very effective campaign, because it created a groundswell of support for the campaign and against President Morsi. And we came to Sunday, those mass demonstrations. They turned violent. And it really forced the armed forces to step in and inject itself in this conflict. And now that's why we see three separate factions in this dramatic faceoff.
LU STOUT: All right, Reza Sayah reporting live from Cairo, thank you so much for that update.
And as protesters prepared to take to the streets yet again in Cairo's Tahrir Square, they were already there. Human Rights Watch is reporting what it calls an epidemic of sexual violence against women.
Now last night, the charity's Egypt director told Becky Anderson just how serious it's become.
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HEBA MORAYEF, EGYPT DIRECTOR, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: As of this evening, there've been at least 23 cases of mobbed sexual assault against women in Tahrir Square just behind us this evening.
ANDERSON: Today?
MORAYEF: Yes, today. And that brings the overall number of attacks up to 91 women who've been mobbed, attacked, sexually assaulted, and in some cases, gang-raped.
ANDERSON: The United Nations say 99.3 percent of Egyptian women have experienced some sort of sexual violence. Those numbers are almost unbelievable.
MORAYEF: You ask any woman who lives in Egypt and they will tell you that sexual harassment is a daily part of women's lives. It happens on public transportation, it happens in public institutions, it happens in the street. And that ranges from sort of verbal harassment to groping and also evolves later on into these far more serious cases of sexual violence.
ANDERSON: Why do you think it is?
MORAYEF: Well, I would say that one part of it is that the government has never tried to take this on seriously. There is a general climate of impunity, the perpetrators always get away with it, and I think that's why in particular in Tahrir where people know that the police is nowhere nearby, that's why women have been so vulnerable.
But overall, the government, apart from ad hoc, piecemeal responses, has never taken this on very seriously and thought about what this means for Egyptian women.
ANDERSON: I know that the UN -- there was a UN report that called for full equality for women in marriage. The Brotherhood loudly rejected that report, didn't they?
MORAYEF: The Brotherhood rejected that report, and it also on many occasions rejected the international human rights law framework when it comes to women's rights and the concept of equality in and of itself. That was, of course, one of the contentious points when it came to the constitution.
ANDERSON: They said it would lead to disintegration of society and undermine Islamic ethics and destroy the family. Do they get support here in Egypt for that view?
MORAYEF: Well, there is a lot of support in Egypt for the fact that family law should still be based on Islamic law. I think that's -- that's definitely there. I think if you put the question to women and you talked to them about their rights when it comes to divorce, their right to livelihood, their ability to provide for their family, you can translate equality in a way that is much more relevant for their daily lives.
ANDERSON: It would be wrong for us to sit here tonight and say that no women support the Brotherhood, that every woman here is looking for a more secular, liberal, civic sort of government going forward, wouldn't it?
MORAYEF: Absolutely. There are many women who support the Brotherhood and who voted for the Brotherhood. There are also women who are within the Brotherhood, members of the political party, at least, who've also been very active.
That's not the question. I think the question is, what protection does the law provide to women who are not in power, who are not empowered...
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ANDERSON: And the answer is nothing.
MORAYEF: ...and who have no choices. Yes.
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LU STOUT: The Egypt director of Human Rights Watch there.
Now during Egypt's revolution in 2011, journalist Mona Eltahawy says she was sexually assaulted. On her Twitter account, she described how riot police grouped her repeatedly and beat her with sticks breaking her arm. And today, this is her message for her country, quote, "no Mubarak, no military, no Morsi. Egypt, that is our revolution."
Now the popular Egyptian blogger Mahmoud Saleem (ph) writes this, quote, "Morsi will not have his ousting be through a peaceful revolution. He wants it to be messy and for people to see it as a coup."
And making a jab at western media he also wrote this, "it is not a military coup if the population grabs the dictator with its own hands."
And a number of Twitter users are continuing to react to Mohamed Morsi's speech last night. (inaudible) observer Dalia Ezzat writes this, quote, "57 times, that's how many times Morsi used the word legitimacy in his speech today."
Now others say Mr. Morsi said it even more times than that.
Now, new video out of North Korea purports to show what daily life is like for a U.S. citizen serving 15 years of hard labor. Now in April Kenneth Bae was convicted of crimes against the state. And now CNN is learning more about his condition from his own words.
Diana Magnay reports.
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DIANA MAGNAY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In stained overalls, his eyes downcast and speaking Korean, U.S. citizen Kenneth Bae describes his life in jail.
KENNETH BAE, DETAINEE IN NORTH KOREA (through translator): I mainly work in the farm in this prison. I work from morning to dinner time, eight hours a day.
People here are very considerate, so I'm not working too hard, but my health is not in the best condition so there are some difficulties.
MAGNAY: Bay was detained in North Korea in November and is serving 15 years hard labor for committing what North Korea calls hostile acts against the regime.
In this video, he begs forgiveness for his alleged crimes and asks the U.S. to do more to secure his release.
BAE (through translator): July 4th is my father's 70th birthday. So I was hoping that my problem will be worked out by the end of June. So my hope is that North Korea will forgive and the U.S. will try harder to get me out speedily. I'm asking for their help.
MAGNAY: This video was obtained by CNN from Choson Sinbo, a pro-North Korean organization based in Tokyo.
The images present a relatively benign image of North Korean prison camps. The daily routine conveniently translated into English, emphasizing plentiful rest periods within the eight hour work day. Bae himself, in a room with fan, heating, modern conveniences.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's being used as a bargaining chip. And so it's very clear -- I mean, these images and the video they're all meant to depict specific instances of a particular message. And if you put it all together, the theme is, well number one, we have Kenneth Bae, don't forget about him. But he's around. And he's still accessible if you really want him, if you really value him.
MAGNAY: There is a precedent set for U.S.-North Korean prisoner release negotiations. In 2009, Bill Clinton traveled to Pyongyang to secure the release of journalist Laura Ling and Euna Lee. The following year, Jimmy Carter successfully brought home another U.S. detainee, Aijalon Gomez.
(on camera): Those trips were billed as private missions, not government endorsed visits, even if it was former presidents traveling to Pyongyang, Washington key not to appear as though it's capitulating to North Korea's whims. And so far the U.S. has simply asked North Korea to grant Bae clemency and to allow for his immediate release.
(voice-over): But video released on the eve of the U.S. Independence Day holiday, appealing to the heartstrings of Americans, may add pressure to the negotiations behind the scenes, even if it comes too late for Bae to celebrate his father's birthday with him.
Diana Magnay, CNN, Seoul.
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LU STOUT: And there's also been a comment on Kenneth Bae from an unusual source, Dennis Rodman. The flamboyant basketball star famously visited North Korea earlier this year and he told Sports Illustrated, "I've called on the supreme leader to do me a solid by releasing Kenneth Bae."
Now rest assured we will update you should Dennis Rodman secure Kenneth Bae's release.
Now still to come on the program, it is time for our News Stream Fast Forward segment. We'll be looking at the latest update to the much maligned Windows 8. And we'll ask a reviewer whether Microsoft got it right this time.
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LU STOUT: Welcome back.
On this week's News Stream Fast Forward we want to focus on Windows 8.1, the latest update to Microsoft's flagship operating system. Now Windows 8 introduced an all new look. And famously, it ditches the actual Windows for a touch friendly interface. but it was also met by complaints from users, complaints that Microsoft says it is fixing with Windows 8.1.
Now let's see whether it lives up to the promise. CNN Money's Adrian Covert joins me now from New York. Adrian, you called the little changes a, quote, huge improvement. Tell us how.
ADRIAN COVERT, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, well, Microsoft didn't freak out when there were criticisms about Windows 8. They didn't backtrack and go back to what Windows 7 was, nor did they add a bunch of half-baked, unnecessary new features, they simply listened to the criticisms that people laid out and they were very thoughtful in incorporating those. They looked at the data and how people were using the operating system. And they worked that into their own general ideas.
And what that lead to is a sort of -- how do I put it -- it led to an improvement overall, but I guess -- yeah, it was an improvement, so.
LU STOUT: Yeah. And one of those many improvements is, you know, they brought the start button back. It is a big improvement, but does it fix Windows, or do you think that there's still room to do more?
COVERT: There's definitely room to do more. This is such a radical new idea that Microsoft is years away from making this perfect. But when it comes to the modern UI, they're getting closer and closer to making it feel like a UI that people can use to replace the desktop environment, especially when you look at features like SnapView. They made it much more useful in how you can divide up your screen for multitasking. And also just being able to customize your start screen. You have way more control over that, which is important for people.
LU STOUT: Yeah and SnapView you mean these -- having multiple apps run at the same time on the screen. When you say UI you mean of course user interface.
Now Adrian, Windows 8, it is optimized for touch interfaces, but most of us in offices, we basically use the keyboard and the mouse at our desks. So is Windows 8.1 better if you're not touching it, if you're a typical office worker?
COVERT: I think so. You know, Windows 8 has actually always been good with a track pad. It's people simply learning how to use it with a track pad and companies, you know, supporting that. But Windows 8.1 does bring all that one step closer. Search is better. The desktop environment is still there. And when you go in and out of the touch interface and the desktop interface it's not as jarring. They improved those transitions. And so I think people who are more used to that traditional environment will find a lot to like about Windows 8.1.
LU STOUT: Yeah, I like how you said earlier when, you know, Microsoft was hit with all the criticism for Windows 8 they didn't freak out, but why did they feel that they had to make the change? I mean, did Microsoft actually listen to all the negative feedback and take in what the customers really wanted and rethink it's approach?
COVERT: I don't think they rethought their approach at all. I don't think they made a change. They're simply improving this. Like I said, it's a really new idea. And they just needed to continue to improve. They didn't claim to have all the answers from the start. And so they're working at it. And that's what's promising right now is that they're showing that progression. And I think we'll see that going forward.
LU STOUT: And from a mobile user perspective, how does Window 8.1 compare to the latest versions of iOS and Android?
COVERT: The app store is probably not as robust. And -- yeah, the app store is not as robust. I think the UI is getting there. But there are still some improvements -- like I said SnapView, huge improvement. But as time goes on -- but I think, you know, as a tablet interface it's as good as iOS and Android.
LU STOUT: All right. Good to hear.
Adrian Covert, CNN Money, thank you so much for that review.
And you are watching News Stream. Still ahead on the program, the world sport team, they hit the road to Rio de Janeiro and the metro. Find out how the city's transport systems are shaping up ahead of next year's World Cup. Stick around.
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LU STOUT: Welcome back.
Now Brazil is about to pull off a rare feat: they are set to host the next World Cup and the next summer Olympics. So the pressure is mounting to make sure the country's transport network is up to speed, something our CNN team put to the test.
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PEDRO PINTO, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: We've set ourselves a little challenge trying to get to the city's hotspots using the transportation available. Now it would be easy for me to do it, because we will follow Portuguese. I speak Portuguese and I've been here before.
What we need for this challenge is someone who has never been to Rio before and doesn't speak the language. I know exactly who we are going to get.
Harry -- this is our producer Harry here with me in Rio. You're a football fan, right?
HARRY, CNN PRODUCER: Yeah. Yeah.
PINTO: He is, of course. That's good.
You've never been to Rio before, correct.
HARRY: Well, no. But I...
PINTO: But surely, surely you speak some Portuguese?
HARRY: Not really, but I mean, I can...
PINTO: Great, you're perfect for this. Let's go.
First stop on our adventure, the Maracana stadium. And Harry didn't take long to find out that the easiest and cheapest way to get there was by using public transport. We were told to get a bus into town.
The process was smooth and the bus looked to be part of one of the new fleet that have just been purchased with the World Cup in mind. Overall, the Brazilian government has invested $4 billion in transport infrastructure.
(on camera): And now in through the metro, a couple of stops away from the Maracana.
Another 40 minutes, another $1.50. And the Maracana awaits.
(voice-over): One of the most iconic football arenas on the planet, the Maracana has been around since 1950. Renovations cost a fortune, around half a billion dollars. Overall, $3.4 billion has been spent on building or renovating 12 World Cup stadiums.
Next stop, Christ the Redeemer. We decided to take a cab to get up to the top of the Corcovado Mountain to see this world famous statue.
(on camera): From the Maracana all the way up here in a cab. A little over half an hour.
HARRY: Yeah, I mean, it would take longer at the World Cup, because there will be a lot more people around, but to see something like this...
PINTO: Unbelievable, right?
HARRY: Yeah. Once in a lifetime.
PINTO: The next spot we're really looking forward to going, which Rio is renowned for all around the world, we know the beaches are good, but there's one specifically, Copa Cabana.
(voice-over): Next stop, another trip on the metro to avoid the traffic and get to the beach.
A 10 minute walk later, we got to Copa Cabana and decided to sit down at one of the many little cafes facing the ocean.
(on camera): We have still under two-and-a-half hours, under $40 to get to Copa Cabana after those stops we made. How would you describe your experience?
HARRY: Well, even as someone who doesn't speak any Portuguese, never been to Rio before as we know, we've been across three hotspots that everyone will go to at the World Cup next year. And it really wasn't that difficult.
PINTO: And I know this is just a snapshot of the whole country, but it does bode well for the World Cup next year. So it would be pretty fair to say that people coming here will have an unforgettable experience. And you know what, we've earned a drink, right?
HARRY: I think we have.
PINTO: OK.
HARRY: Certainly think we have.
PINTO: Cheers.
HARRY: Cheers.
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LU STOUT: Looking good.
Now let's take you to Haiti next. Now Haiti is one of the world's most deforested countries. So it's fair to say that each tree there is precious. But today in CNN's Going Green series, special correspondent Philippe Cousteau introduces us to one type of tree in particular that's helping to nourish a community in need.
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PHILIPPE COUSTEAU, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: What is moringa?
DANIEL TILLIAS, DIRECTOR, JADEN TAP TAP: Moringa is what...
COUSTEAU: It is a tree.
TILLIAS: This is a tree that people would identify as the (inaudible) tree. The leaves by itself is such a source of nutrient...
COUSTEAU: Really?
TILLIAS: And...
COUSTEAU: So you can eat this?
TILLIAS: You can eat this raw. I got a little life of Moinga (ph) and it's enough for putting so much of nutrient on a kid which is malnourished. And it is so simple to grow this.
COUSTEAU: It taste like arugala or (inaudible) a little bit. Kind of like a lettuce...
TILLIAS: Exactly. That's about the...
COUSTAEU: ...in a salad. It's good.
moringa is an impressive source of disease preventing nutrients. It is rich in protein, essential vitamins and minerals, beta carotine and amino acids. Daniel teaches the community, especially children, about the benefits and how to harvest.
TILLIAS: We don't let them go to high, very like two, four feet. We cut them. And they will grow back easy like...
COUSTEAU: They' grow back from the stock?
TILLIAS: Yeah, after two weeks.
COUSTEAU: It's a miracle tree.
TILLIAS: After two weeks, the miracle will grow back. Trust me.
COUSTEAU: Really?
After a hard days work in the garden, a fun reward, moringa smoothies.
Daniel just told me they take some of their favorite juices, they put it into this ingenious blender that's on the back of a bicycle. They add moringa powder and ice -- let's throw some of that in there and then they divvy up a smoothie to all the kids. And actually I'm going to get to blend it up for them. I'm very excited about this.
Certainly never thought I'd be making a smoothie on the back of a bicycle in the middle of Cite Soleil.
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LU STOUT: Good one.
Now tomorrow, Philippe will take us to Haiti's countryside, where farmers are planting millions of trees. Now it's part of a new half hour Going Green special called Earth. You can watch the entire program this weekend right here on CNN.
Now the Russian billionaire Alexander Lebedev has been sentenced to community service instead of jail time for punching a rival on television almost two years ago.
Now a Moscow court found the owner of the London evening standard guilty of assault. A more serious charge of hooliganism was dropped. Lebedev plans to appeal the verdict.
Now earlier in the show we told you about the military helicopters in Tahrir Square. And we also told you about protesters using lasers to display messages. But what happens when the two are combined?
Now this is one of the Egyptian military helicopters hovering over Tahrir lit up in the green light of laser pointers from the protesters down the square. And take a closer look, one of the helicopters in this picture was taken on Sunday, an incredible image.
And that is News Stream, but the news continues at CNN. World Business Today is next.
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