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Dr. Drew
Martin Family Reacts to Verdict
Aired July 18, 2013 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Trayvon Martin`s father, mother and brother are here live. We`ll ask about the verdict, the violence and why they`re not ready to forgive just yet.
Our behavior bureau is watching. They are standing by with reaction.
So let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening. Exciting show.
My co-host is Samantha Schacher host of "Pop Trigger" on the Young Turks Network.
Coming up, Trayvon Martin`s father, mother, brother join us live.
But, first, the trial and verdict and aftermath -- we`re all still talking about it. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Even though you think the headset was off or got off in some way --
RACHEL JEANTEL, WITNESS: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- that you could still hear a little bit?
JEANTEL: Yes, sir.
VINNIE POLITAN, HLN HOST: You`re nice and relaxed tonight, ready to go, right?
JEANTEL: Yes, sir.
POLITAN: OK. Oh, yes, sir. We`re not in court anymore. You don`t have to say that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My view -- my living room and bedroom is to look out at that courtyard, so hard to forget that`s where he had died.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re prepared for whatever verdict -- as long as it`s a just and fair verdict based on the evidence.
SHAHRAZAD ALI, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Twenty-four hour stress, that`s what we live in this country. It affects our vascular system. It affects our renal system, our nerves. It`s very difficult for us.
PINSKY: Ms. Ali, I don`t stress you out. Come on, now. You`re part of the family here.
JEAN VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN: An environmental crisis that is going to bring us all together as earthlings because we`re destroying our planet.
FRANK TAAFFE, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN`S FRIEND: It`s one day at a time here, OK, as we all trudge the road towards happy destiny.
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PINSKY: Joining us, attorney Mark Eiglarsh, from speaktomark.com, Crystal Wright from conservativeblackchick.com, Brian Copeland, talk show host on KGO Radio in San Francisco, also author of "Not A Genuine Black Man," and Ms. Shahrazad Ali, author of "Are You Still a Slave?"
George Zimmerman`s brother says if he ran into Trayvon Martin`s parents, he would give them a hug. He thinks his brother would do the same.
Ms. Ali, how do you think that would go down?
ALI: Well, I think that Trayvon`s parents have started to get bullied by the white news media and they are making statements and saying things that they know are not true but they think that`s the only way to be accepted.
PINSKY: Give me an example.
ALI: They`re dealing with a little bit of fear.
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ALI: Yes. I think that they are.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my.
PINSKY: Brian, have at it.
BRIAN COPELAND, RADIO HOST: I just don`t know how to respond to that. I just don`t. I think his parents -- you`re going to talk to his parents later on. I`m sure they`re in a state of grief and still in a state of disbelief.
I would not -- if I were Trayvon`s parents, I certainly would not want a hug from any member of the Zimmerman family at this point because justice hasn`t been done.
PINSKY: Crystal?
CRYSTAL WRIGHT, CONSERVATIVEBLACKCHICK.COM: I agree with Brian. I agree with Brian. Robert Zimmerman needs to chill out on some of these media interviews, as I would argue the Trayvon Martin family.
Nobody wants to hug -- the Martins lost their son. They`re disappointed in a verdict. They don`t want a hug from George Zimmerman.
Back to what Ms. Ali said. I really think -- I wonder if she, if Shahrazad is living in the same United States of American as I am because the white media, Shahrazad, has been very sympathetic to the Martin family. The fact is --
ALI: Hey, I don`t live in --
WRIGHT: Excuse me. Whoa, whoa, zip it.
The Martin family was just on Anderson Cooper. They`re going to be talking to Dr. Drew. They`re having the news media predominantly owned by -- I would say, yes, a white dominated media in America owned that is, is actually been very sympathetic --
ALI: You are so boring.
WRIGHT: It`s been very sympathetic and caring to the Martin family. I would argue condemning of George Zimmerman from the start. So, let`s talk facts.
PINSKY: Crystal, I`m going to let Ms. Ali respond that. And then I want to get Mark to close this out.
ALI: Good Lord, let me just respond. I don`t think that Crystal is in a position -- I do live in the same country as you but as you know you`re a little lighter than me so you get treated probably a little better.
WRIGHT: Really? We look like the same skin color actually.
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PINSKY: Mark, I need you here. Mark, help me.
MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Help you? You invited her on the show. Don`t blame me.
So, once again, we have a world record for Dr. Drew tonight. Ms. Ali mentioned white or black within about 1.3 seconds. That was a new record for her in her opening remarks.
COPELAND: One-point-two seconds actually.
EIGLARSH: Yes.
And I will just say, you know, I think that Robert Zimmerman is just, I think, trying to express love. The Martins have every right to reject that. They`re not in a position to embrace him. That`s okay. They`re both OK.
PINSKY: Sam, last words?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Yes, I want to say to Ms. Ali that there`s plenty of white people out there advocates for equal justice. Just saying.
COPELAND: That`s right.
PINSKY: Got to take a break. You guys stay with me.
Next, have you ever tried to get out of jury duty and were you ever called to be on something like the Zimmerman trial. Put that question to panel.
And soon, Trayvon Martin`s father, mother and brother are here live. You do not want to miss this.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: What do you think you were crying about?
JUROR B37: The pressure. The pressure of all of it and everything just kind of came to a head because I kind of tried to keep everything out, emotionally out during the whole process and it just flooded in after it was done. I don`t want people to think that we didn`t think about it and we didn`t care about Trayvon Martin.
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PINSKY: Welcome back.
My co-host, Samantha Schacher.
Now, how many people actually served on a jury? Anybody in this panel? A show of hands?
COPELAND: I tried.
PINSKY: Ms. Ali has. Ms. Ali has done her civic duty.
EIGLARSH: What?
PINSKY: Yes.
EIGLARSH: Ms. Ali made the cut. Did they read her book?
PINSKY: Hang on. Has any of you tried to get out of jury duty?
EIGLARSH: I hope it wasn`t a domestic violence case.
COPELAND: I tried to get on.
PINSKY: Why?
COPELAND: It was in college. I had time off during a summer in college. I wasn`t working. I called and said I`d like to volunteer. They said, we can`t take you if you want to do it. That`s what they told me. We can`t take you if you`re volunteering because you might have an agenda, you might want to get on for a specific reason. So, we can`t take you.
PINSKY: Mark, your advocacy is your life. Can you imagine getting sequestered for 22 days and signing up for something as high profile as the Zimmerman? Can you imagine actually agreeing to do that?
EIGLARSH: No. My heart, Drew, goes out -- I`m glad you came to me -- my heart goes out to them. Justice is not whether you like the verdict or not, it`s them doing their job. My wife prefers carrots over cookies. I think it`s outrageous. But that`s her opinion.
These jurors` opinion is different than some people`s. That`s their right. That`s their obligation. They did the best they could. They need to be commended, not scorned.
PINSKY: Ms. Ali, I see your hand up. I`m going to go to you, but also in your answer, I wish you would address what it was you think Trayvon Martin`s parents were saying that was bullied from the media.
ALI: No, I just think they`re making them say -- they`ll keep asking them things like do you think this was racial profiling? Do you think the verdict had anything to do with race, and they`re making them say "no" because if they say "yes", you all will destroy them so they have to stand there and lie, you know at home at night and I know at home at night --
WRIGHT: They`re not saying yes.
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ALI: They`re sitting there and they`re saying that it wasn`t about race.
PINSKY: Hold on. Crystal? Crystal, go ahead. You respond.
WRIGHT: OK. Shahrazad, stop misrepresenting the facts. I just watched the Martins on Anderson Cooper say, until the cows come home, that they felt their son was racially profiled, he had the right to walk around. Stop spreading lies.
Now, as far as jury duty --
ALI: It depends on who they`re talking to.
WRIGHT: As far as jury duty, stop it.
ALI: It depends on who they`re talking to.
PINSK: OK, hold on -- Crystal, go ahead.
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WRIGHT: CNN has been -- CNN and Headline News and NBC has been more than sympathetic and taken up the charge of this young boy`s death since last year.
With respect to your jury duty, though, I think Mark is exactly right. I would not want the burden of those six women. I think we need to stop vilifying them. They did a very hard job under very extreme circumstances.
ALI: You would have gave the same verdict.
WRIGHT: We know what you did when you served on jury duty probably, oh, my gosh.
PINSKY: Hang on. We don`t know what Ms. Ali did.
How did you find that experience? And what would have happened to when you sat on that jury, Ms. Ali?
COPELAND: What was the case? My question is what was the case? What kind of case was it?
ALI: Oh, I`m not telling you that. You know you don`t discuss that after you become a juror. But here`s the thing --
WRIGHT: Oh, really?
ALI: This jury they had sequestered -- the jury they had sequestered they let them go and see certain movies. Do you know one of the movies was the "Lone Ranger"? What kind of racist movie is that?
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EIGLARSH: This is a farce! This is a joke!
PINSKY: Hold on, why is it a joke, Mark?
WRIGHT: Thank you, Mark.
PINSKY: Why is it a joke?
PINSKY: Because this is so outrageous I cannot believe that she believes the words that are spewing from her mouth. It is. I can`t believe you find it`s unacceptable these jurors who only got a mani and pedi and blooming onion and got to see a damn movie, you`re claiming that of being racist. Give me a break.
PINSKY: Ms. Ali, take us home. I got to -- let`s keep it cool, Ms. Ali, we`re going out to Trayvon`s family. So, give me the last word.
ALI: Right. You -- we certainly respect them. And don`t curse at me.
WRIGHT: Nobody cursed at you.
ALI: Yes, he did.
EIGLARSH: This from a woman who advocates --
PINSKY: Everybody play nice here. Ms. Ali, thank you for joining us. Brian, thank you, Crystal, thank you. Mark, thank you.
We`ve got to hear all opinions here, guys. We yell each other do down and we have, vitriol, there`s truth in all these opinions and we got to tease it out. Too much emotion.
ALI: Poor Tonto. Poor Tonto.
PINSKY: For sure!
That`s another topic for another day. On television, it was played by a native-American which was at the time a bold thing. Next up --
COPELAND: Johnny Depp is part Indian.
PINSKY: I know, in the movie.
Trayvon Martin`s parents coming up. Cut everybody`s mike off. We`re going to talk about the verdict. Their son is there to talk about the backlash and what`s next.
Back in a moment.
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PINSKY: Welcome back.
My co-host, of course, Samantha Schacher.
It has been less than a week since a jury found George Zimmerman not guilty in the death of Trayvon Martin.
Today, Trayvon`s family is speaking for the first time since the verdict. His parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin are here live, with Trayvon`s brother, Jahvaris Fulton. They`re discussing the case with CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin.
I will have Sunny take it away.
Sunny, out to you.
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Thanks, Dr. Drew.
Thank you so much for joining me tonight.
And I was in the courtroom and what was so evident to me was that your family handled this tragedy with such grace and dignity and faith. I need to ask, how are you doing now? How are you doing when the cameras are off and when you`re home alone?
SYBRINA FULTON, TRAYVON MARTIN`S MOTHER: It`s hard but we`re trying to live a normal life. What used to be normal for us is much different now that Trayvon is no longer with us.
It`s taken a while to come to terms with the fact that he`s just not around the house. He`s not watching TV. He`s not gone to school and those type of things. It`s just difficult to try to get past just not having him there.
So we try to live a normal life. We try to, you know, have dinner. We try to, you know, go out to the movies and just do different things a family would do. So we try to get back to our normal activities.
HOSTIN: And let me ask you, you know, you weren`t there for the verdict but you were there every single day of the trial. Why were you not there for the verdict?
TRACY MARTIN, TRAYVON MARTIN`S FATHER: We just, through our counselors, through our lawyers and talking with each other, talking with family members, we felt that it was best that we weren`t in court for the verdict. We were instructed by the courts that they wouldn`t tolerate any outbursts of any kind.
And we really felt that it would have been hard to hold back our emotions either way the verdict would have came out. So, we just felt it was best that we weren`t present in the courtroom.
HOSTIN: How did you hear about the verdict?
MARTIN: The news. Kind of watched it on the news and it was even hard accepting it on the news. But, you know, we got several calls from several friends, family members, and I think it was just a time that there was a time, a personal time that we need to be by ourselves.
HOSTIN: You know, one of the jurors has come out to speak, Juror B- 37. She said she didn`t know anything about Trayvon, other than the fact he went to school and he was from Miami.
Do you think if the jury knew more about your son, the verdict may have been different?
SYBRINA FULTON: I think if they paid more attention to the facts that the direct facts that were said and the facts that were not stated. They knew that Trayvon was 17 years old. They knew that he had recently turned 17. The prosecution said that he was 16 years old and 21 days.
So, they knew that -- of course, he had a teenager`s mentality. You can tell by the items that he had on him, which was, I think, $42. I think he had the drink and candy that that told them a lot. That told a lot about who he was, by what he purchased from the store.
They also found out that he was on his way home. He was no burglar. He was just minding his own business. He didn`t trouble anyone. He was just trying to get back to the house so he can watch the all-star game.
So I think with those things in mind, I think they knew that. They knew the fact that, you know, somebody was following him.
And I`ve heard people say, well, why didn`t he go home? Well, if somebody is following you in a vehicle in their car or truck, and then they get out on foot and they`re following you, would you go home so that they can know where you live or possibly harm somebody that`s in your home?
People don`t just have people following them and they go directly home. I don`t do it as a woman. I would not go home if I knew that somebody was following me in a car and then they got out of the car and they`re following me on foot. I would not go home and take that to my family.
HOSTIN: Tracy, you mentioned on the stand that Trayvon was your best friend.
MARTIN: Definitely.
HOSTIN: Can you tell us what you want the world to know about your son, what didn`t come out at trial?
MARTIN: I think what didn`t come out, that he was a -- he was a loving child, a loving son, a loving friend. That he had -- we had talked on several occasions, where I had mentioned on several occasions about him saving my life.
His personality that we know of, that the Trayvon we knew spoke in volumes, just his personality. Him being around us, him being around his friends, the things that he would do for his cousin, his little cousins. He was a fun loving kid.
HOSTIN: And, Sybrina, tell us about his dreams. I heard that he wanted to be a pilot and even went to a science camp to study with Barrington Irving, who was the first African-American to fly solo all around the world.
Tell us about that.
SYBRINA FULTON: I actually have a brother that was involved in aviation. I don`t want to say convinced but he encouraged him to pursue aviation.
And Trayvon did. He went to experience aviation the program Barrington Irving has. He started going there like over the summer.
And he really enjoyed the program. He really was very interested. He would not miss a day. It was just something that he was focused on. He wanted to just be in the aviation industry.
I`m remembering one time when I went to pick him up from the program that particular day, they had a model plane that was there. He was like so excited he had flown that plane and he wanted me to see it and things like that. I had to get out of the car after a long day of work and just enjoy what he was interested in.
HOSTIN: Jahvaris, tell me what you want the world to know about your brother.
JHAVARIS FULTON, TRAYVON MARTIN`S BROTHER: I would just like to tell the world that I don`t believe he was responsible for what happened to him that night and he wasn`t on trial, Zimmerman was.
HOSTIN: Let`s talk about that, Sybrina, because Zimmerman supporters, as they`ve become known, really portrayed your son as this thug, as this gun enthusiast, as this MMA style fighting enthusiast, someone addicted to drugs. What is your response to that, that picture that people are painting of Trayvon Martin?
SYBRINA FULTON: Well, people say negative things when they don`t know a person, when don`t have anything to say. They don`t know Trayvon personally.
The people that know Trayvon personally will be willing to speak on his behalf. But, you know, I guess you will get a lot of negative people because they want to justify what happened. That does not justify it. Whether he had a hoodie on or he had a gold tooth, that does not define who he is and that does not justify someone taking his life.
HOSTIN: And, you know, you were tweeting throughout the trial -- not a lot but a few tweets. We have one and you said, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my angel, Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he`s mine."
What did you mean by that?
SYBRINA FULTON: You know, some days you get a little weary. I felt each day I had to be there in court. I had to go. I had to represent him. But he is my angel. He watches over me.
And I just -- you know, just with the negative things, even when I look at Jahvaris, he`s mine. He`s mine. He`s definitely mine. So whether he is perfect or not, he`s mine.
HOSTIN: What teenager is perfect?
SYBRINA FULTON: None. None.
HOSTIN: Let me also ask you this. The juror who spoke out said she firmly believed that Trayvon attacked George Zimmerman. Was your son an aggressive person?
MARTIN: No, he wasn`t. This was -- like I said, this was an upbeat kid. He had no motive to attack George Zimmerman. And you just look and listen to the things that George Zimmerman said, he said Trayvon circled his car. What kid that`s minding his business would take time out of talking on the phone to circle a car of an individual that he doesn`t know. He`s not familiar with the area.
So just the thought of him saying that her believing that Trayvon attacked George Zimmerman, I don`t -- you know, it`s ridiculous. Did she ever think Trayvon had every right in the world to protect himself, to defend himself? Did they even look at it that way?
I don`t think she even looked at it that way.
HOSTIN: You know, we`re talking about a predominantly white jury. Five white women, many of them mothers. Do you think this verdict would have been different had Trayvon been white?
MARTIN: That`s a catchy question. I think -- what I do think is, had Trayvon shot George Zimmerman, he would have been convicted. Whether or not it would have been a white-on-white crime or black-on-black crime, had the verdict been different, I don`t know. But had Trayvon shot George Zimmerman, Trayvon would have been convicted.
HOSTIN: And I ask you this because this tragedy has mothers talking about this. You`ve become, Sybrina, you probably know, this iconic mother of brown boys all over the country. And as a mother myself of a little brown boy, I ask myself, what do I tell him now?
And my friends and I have all been talking about this. What would you tell us to tell our children, our boys?
SYBRINA FULTON: That`s a very difficult question considering everything that has happened. I personally don`t think Trayvon did anything wrong. And I think we need to work on the laws. I think we need to make sure that they`re feeling safe because if you have a teenager and that teenager is not feeling safe, they are afraid to walk out of their house because of what can happen and how people perceive them to be.
But I pray and I pray a lot. And I just ask God to cover my son that I have now, Jahvaris. I just ask God to be with him and cover him and just make sure that he is safe when he leaves and he is safe when he returns.
And then, I just shower him with love and that`s about it. I mean, that`s why it`s so important for us to try to change the laws and try to have these type of conversations, so that we are aware of what`s going on.
HOSTIN: More with the Martin family after the break with DR. DREW ON- CALL.
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PINSKY: Welcome back. Co-host is Samantha Schacher. A reminder that the "Behavior Bureau" is standing by, watching this interview very, very carefully and they will be commenting in just a few minutes. We are privileged to have Trayvon Martin`s parents and brother with CNN legal analyst, Sunny Hostin. This is part two of their live interview. This is happening right now as you watch it. Sunny, off to you.
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HOSTIN: Thanks, Dr. Drew. Sybrina, I understand that after the verdict, the day after the verdict, you spoke to your attorneys and said something that really struck me. You said, this verdict will not define Trayvon. We will define Trayvon. What is his legacy?
SYBRINA FULTON: Let me just say that one of the things is that I didn`t want the not guilty verdict to be the end. We need to move forward with the foundation, the Trayvon Martin Foundation, and we need to make sure that we`re active in helping other victims of violent crimes. So, I don`t feel like that`s the end of it. It`s the beginning of a different chapter.
HOSTIN: And Jahvaris, you`re involved with the Trayvon Martin Foundation. What do you want to see as a result of this?
JAHVARIS FULTON, TRAYVON MARTIN`S BROTHER: I`d like to see our foundation raise awareness about profile profiling, because we shouldn`t have to, but there is a certain way boys like me and young men have to conduct themselves in public, so that, you know, we`re not --
HOSTIN: Deemed suspicious?
JAHVARIS FULTON: Yes.
HOSTIN: So, you`re hoping that the foundation will raise awareness. And how about you, Tracy? What would you like to see come out of all of this?
TRACY MARTIN, TRAYVON MARTIN`S FATHER: As far as the foundation goes, we want to help others. We want to continue to be advocates against senseless violence. We want to -- we want to continue to educate people, as far as the Florida statutes, as far as the laws go. We want to mentor young men and women, and we want to -- we want to make sure that we are the voice for Trayvon.
We want to make sure that Trayvon Martin`s name somehow will help -- will help heal the country instead of harm the country.
HOSTIN: And let me ask you this, Sybrina, when we first met a year ago, when this first happened, you were calling for an arrest. You were calling for a trial. You were calling for the process to begin, and you did get that. You didn`t get the verdict you wanted, but you did get the process. What do you think justice looks like for you now?
SYBRINA FULTON: Justice looks like, for me, laws being changed and young teenagers, young men, even young women feel comfortable walking outside. I think, you know, you don`t want your children to be afraid to walk in, not do anything and somebody deemed that they are suspicious. So, that`s just some of the things that we want to come out of the foundation.
HOSTIN: And, is this your work now? I know that you worked at the housing authority in Miami-Dade. Are you going back there or is this your work now?
SYBRINA FULTON: This will be my work forever. We wear these bracelets that say "I am Trayvon Martin" because we want to let people know that we are the spokesperson for Trayvon. I can`t say definitely if I`m going back to work or I`m not going back to work, but, definitely this is my life.
HOSTIN: And, we`ve talked about your family of faith, have you ever wondered why my family? Why did this happen to my family?
SYBRINA FULTON: Yes. When it first happened, I was like -- I couldn`t believe that this was happening to us, to our family. And, I can`t say that I wished it on another family, but I just thought, like, why did God select us? Why were we selected to be the spokesperson for gun violence, senseless gun violence, justice, injustice, stand your go around, self-defense and those things like that?
Just, you know, a spokesperson for teenagers. And, I`ve had this conversation with Jahvaris. And I told him, I said, God could not have picked a better family, because we are very close-knit. We surround ourselves with positive people. And we kind of feed off of each other. When I`m in doubt and I`m like, you know, weary, you know, other family members lift me up.
And sometimes, I have to lift them up. But we are there for each other. And that`s what`s important. And, our friends are around and they are positive and we just -- you know, we just look out for each other and we`re just supporting each other.
HOSTIN: Well, I think that your ministry going forward will be a gift to the world.
SYBRINA FULTON: Thank you.
HOSTIN: Thank you. And my thanks to Trayvon Martin`s family. Now, back to Dr. Drew in Los Angeles.
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PINSKY: Thank you, Sunny, and our thanks as well. Sunny, of course, CNN legal analyst. The Martin Family will be looked at carefully by the "Behavior Bureau" who is standing by and we`ll get their reaction right after the break.
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HOSTIN: Can you tell us what you want the world to know about your son, what didn`t come out at trial?
MARTIN: I think what didn`t come out that he was a loving child, a loving son, a loving friend. That he was -- he had -- we had talked on several occasions, why I had mentioned several occasions about him saving my life. His personality that we know of, that the Trayvon that we knew spoke in volumes, just his personality.
Him being around us, him being around his friends, the things that he would do for his cousins, his little cousins. He was a fun loving kid.
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PINSKY: Time for the behavior bureau. My co-host is here, Samantha Schacher. That was just moments ago, Trayvon Martin`s family telling us what they thought of the verdict in the Zimmerman trial.
Now, joining us, social commentator, Shahrazad Ali, forensic and clinical psychologist, Cheryl Arutt, psychotherapist and HLN contributor, Tiffanie Davis Henry, and Danine Manette, criminal investigator and author of "Ultimate Betrayal."
Guys, here`s what I want to do. I want to go around the horn first and ask you guys basically what you heard. Cheryl, I`m going to you first. Here`s what I heard. I heard a lot about grief. I heard a lot about trying to get back to a normal life and about trying to make meaning out of this through service. What did you hear?
CHERYL ARUTT, PSY.D., CLINICAL & FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: I heard the pain of a deeply wounded family. I think Tracy and Sybrina and Jahvaris were very well-spoken and talked about how much they loved Trayvon and how hard it was to go through this process, how traumatizing it was, but wanting to really honor the memory of their son and who he actually was not as he was presented in court.
PINSKY: Making sense of it through that. Danine, I thought it was fascinating that we heard from Trayvon`s Mother that she didn`t want him to -- she would not go home -- I believe you told the same story and you wouldn`t have gone home because the perpetrator would follow you back to your house.
DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Exactly. And Dr. Drew, my number one identity is that of a mother. Not necessarily a mother of brown children because all wounds are the same color, but just as a mother. And I connect with her on that maternal level. And I feel that pain, and it just strikes me so deeply.
Now, this woman is sitting up here grieving for her child, and that the killer of her child, regardless of whether he feels as though he was right or wrong has never once said that he would do anything differently, that he would make a different decision.
There`s not a day that goes by that I don`t make a decision that I second and third guess (ph). And the fact that whether or not it was his fault or Trayvon`s fault or whatever he believes, I think it`s a good time, the trial is over, for him to reach out and maybe say, you know what, I wish this hadn`t (ph) to happen this way or something, anything.
PINSKY: Tiffanie, how about you?
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST: You know, while I think that`s good in theory, I don`t know they`re ready to hear that from him. I don`t think that anything is really going to heal that wound right now except for finding the purpose in all this. She talked -- Sybrina talked a lot about why me towards the end of that interview.
And I think that`s a question that many people that are in the circumstance ask themselves, why me? Why did this have to happen to us and our family? And they`ve actually been able to find some type of perspective in that. And I think that, you know, as we think about purpose and we think about why we`re placed here on this earth is important to go there and say, why did this happen to me and really ourselves that because this is greater than them as a family.
It`s greater than Trayvon. This is what God wanted to happen because there`s something much greater that ultimately He wants to happen and I can`t wait to see what that is because Trayvon did not die in vain.
PINSKY: And that disbelief is part of the stages of grief. But again, spirituality, service, making sense to these things, connecting with people you love, that`s how people got through these things. Miss Ali, take us home.
SHAHRAZAD ALI, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think no parent wants to outlive their child. So, I feel so badly for them. The second thing I recognize in that interview was that there`s 43 million Black people in this country and we don`t have a Black news station. But the third thing and I think the most important, Dr. Drew, did you notice how they danced around the issue of race and what they feel about White people and that jury and everything else.
That`s what I`ve been telling you. They were afraid to mention it. They can`t mention it because so much fear has been put in to us as a people. We scared. We talk in the public about race that you all will get us.
PINSKY: Well, we`re not going to get you, Miss Ali. I got to go to break, Samantha.
ALI: No. I know y`all ain`t going to get me.
PINSKY: Samantha, just a few seconds.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I want to chime in after the break because I actually have a lot to say.
PINSKY: Fair enough. If you have a question for the "Behavior Bureau," tweet us @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau. We`ll be right back.
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SYBRINA FULTON: And I`ve heard people say, well, why didn`t he go home? Well, if somebody is following you in a vehicle, in their car, or a truck, and then they get out on foot and they`re following you, would you go home so that they can know where you live or possibly harm somebody that`s in your home?
People don`t just have people following them and they go directly home. I don`t do it as a woman. I would not go home if I knew that somebody was following me in a car and then I -- they get out of the car and they`re following me on foot. I would not go home and take that to my family.
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PINSKY: Back with the "Behavior Bureau" and our co-host, Samantha Schacher. We are talking about the interview with Trayvon Martin`s family. It was happening right here just a few moments ago with CNN legal analyst, Sunny Hostin. Back to Samantha who says she wanted to respond. Go ahead.
SCHACHER: Well, Miss Ali, I don`t know what interview you`re watching, but in that interview, Jahvaris said point-blank that he wants to raise awareness of racial profiling. And I`m so glad he said --
ALI: I`m talking about the parents. I`m talking about the parents.
SCHACHER: OK. I`m really happy that he did say that because the truth of the matter is we all make assumptions. We all have suspicions of people. And that night, George Zimmerman had inaccurate suspicions of Trayvon Martin because of the suspicions of the recent burglaries.
And if he would have just asked questions first, if he would have just rolled on up to Trayvon Martin from his car and said, hey, I`m neighborhood watch, can I help you out. Do you need a ride? It`s raining. None of this would have happened. Can you argue with that?
ALI: Samantha.
SCHACHER: What, Miss Ali?
ALI: Samantha, I agree that there are a lot of White people that want justice for Black people. They just ain`t never in the court when we`re in there.
SCHACHER: Thank you for saying that. Miss Ali, you had a breakthrough. Thank you.
PINSKY: She said they`re out there but just don`t get to the courtroom when the Black people are there. Tiffanie, you had a question for Miss Ali.
HENRY: I actually did have a question for Miss Ali. I wanted to know if she thinks that they`re afraid to address the race issue or if they feel it`s something that`s beyond their control, they can`t change it, so they rather focus on what is within their control or something that they can change.
PINSKY: Let me pile on a little bit and say or is that a bigger conversation that they will be leading us all into later?
ALI: No. They`re not going to lead us into that later. This is their opportunity right now. I think that they are not mentioning it. They`re talking about the bogeyman is going to get you. The enemy is out there, but they will not identify who they`re talking about. And that`s because they can`t speak that in the public because if they do, all of the White people that`s crowding around them now and pretending to be their friend will go away and they think they can`t make it without them. This is what`s going on.
PINSKY: Danine, help me out there.
MANETTE: Dr. Drew, one thing I appreciated about their interview is that we cannot erase the past 400 years of history. We can`t erase it. But the fact they are now thinking about something proactive. A lot of people spend a lot of time on this show talking about statistics and how many Black men are in jail and all of that, but what are they doing about it? What involvement do they have in the community?
These people are talking about a grassroots organization that they`re trying to get started to address the problem. We can talk about it all day, but what are individuals doing?
ALI: I`m doing something about it.
PINSKY: Yes, you are.
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PINSKY: Hold on. I want to give another person a chance to speak. Cheryl.
ARUTT: Well, I`ve had -- I had patients today saying what can we do about it? I think this idea, this topic of what can we do in a concrete way about it is really important. And I actually did hear Tracy say something about the belief that if Trayvon had shot George Zimmerman, that he believes that he would have been convicted. And I do think that was an acknowledgement of the racial dynamics here.
PINSKY: Yes.
ARUTT: But let`s see how we can be constructive now and do something.
ALI: Yes, that was code.
ARUTT: It wasn`t code. It was pretty clear. I know that you wish he`d been more explicit about it, Miss Ali.
ALI: Let me tell you clear. Let me give you clear. This is clear. What I tell my little son, listen, I want you to be careful. There are some White men, not all of them, but there are some White men out there that want to kill you and stomp your life out like they did your forefather. So, you have to be careful of the White police, the White storekeeper, the White businessman, the White everybody because they hate you.
PINSKY: Miss Ali, that breaks my heart. I hope you will come back and let me keep teasing that apart and understanding you because I do think there are people out there that believe like you, and to me, that makes me deeply, deeply wounded and sad and we need to keep addressing it. Thank you, panel. "Last Call" is next.
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PINSKY: Want to send out our sincere thanks to CNN legal analyst, Sunny Hostin and Trayvon Martin`s family. Thank you so much for being on the show this evening. Samantha, you had something you wanted to say real quick before we go out.
SCHACHER: I just think that this case is a shining example of all the inequities within our justice system, and it`s polarizing but also creating a much-needed movement.
PINSKY: A movement and a conversation.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: And I want to see Sybrina out there to continue to be of service and leading this sort of spiritual message she has. See you next time. "HLN After Dark" is up right after this. In fact, it starts right now.
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