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Analysis Of Mayor Filner's Therapy Plans; Apple In Damage- Control Mode Again; Negotiations Between Israel And Palestine Set To Begin Again; Two D.C. Memorials Vandalized Today; Actor Jason Patric Pushing To Expand Rights Of Sperm Donors

Aired July 29, 2013 - 15:30   ET

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JUDY KURIANSKY, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Then he'll have to go through what are the cues that make him want to do that behavior? What triggers him to want it?

And then the next step is going to be how can he stop that behavior? And for that we use a technique called "thought-stopping." As soon as the thought and the urge comes into his mind and his thoughts, he's going to have to snap his fingers. He'll do some other action. It's called an interrupt.

And then he'll have to replace it with another thought about I respect women. That's the first thing.

And then he's going to need some really intensive therapy because this has to do with power and the desire to intimidate women. He even used that word.

And so he's going to have to examine, why do I feel powerless? And go back even to some of his childhood. So that's, in short, what's going to happen with him.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: That's an abbreviated idea.

It's interesting you bring up the word "intimidated" because I wanted to play this clip with that word specifically that he used from Friday. So here was the mayor.

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MAYOR BOB FILNER (D), SAN DIEGO: Let me be absolutely clear. The behavior I have engaged in over many years is wrong. My failure to respect women and the intimidating conduct I engage in at times is inexcusable.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: What does that language, Judy, what does that tell you?

KURIANSKY: It tells me that at least he is admitting it. I know Weiner did, too, but denial is a big part of this.

And so in therapy, he's going to have to come clean about all of it. And really then prove himself. That's going to take time, Brooke.

Just two weeks is not enough. He even said that, too, by the way. Watch me and see if I do well. That's going to take him a lot of time to prove his behavior.

But I love that he said those things because in therapy he's going to have to go through what is it that I have lied about all this time? What makes me lie? What makes me hide all these feelings?

Getting honest and getting over that denial is really important. So that's a good step.

BALDWIN: Then, just final question, if we talk about this, you know, two weeks intensive therapy. Then what?

Obviously this is all part of a process. At what point does he have to stop pinching himself when he has these thoughts? How long does this take?

KURIANSKY: I love that you said pinching. It takes forever. It will never stop.

It's like addiction to drugs and alcohol. It's always, always going to be there where he has to use these techniques, follow his cue, change his behavior, change his thinking and his need to dominate women and get in touch with his deeper issues.

That'll come later. The deeper issues about what happened in his childhood and in high school and college and all these feelings.

Step one, behavior. Step two, attitude. Step three, deeper therapy.

BALDWIN: Got it.

Judy Kuriansky, clinical psychologist, sex therapist, always great having you on. Thank you.

Coming up next, word that another statue has been vandalized today in Washington, D.C., green paint splashed across yet another memorial.

Folks, this is in addition to the one I told you about just a couple minutes ago. Two statues today, we're going live to D.C.

What is going on? That's next.

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BALDWIN: "I hope my father spends his life behind bars." The words from the son of confessed Cleveland kidnapper Ariel Castro speaking on NBC's "Today" show, calling his father a liar and a bully, Anthony Castro saying, chances are, he will never visit him as he spends the rest of his life behind bars.

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ANTHONY CASTRO, ARIEL CASTRO'S SON: I think it's the best possible sentence. I think that if he really can't control his impulses and he really doesn't have any value for human life the way this case has shown, then behind bars is where he belongs for the rest of his life.

Right now I can't see any scenario where I would go visit him. You know, he's been lying to his family for the past 10, 11 years, at every possible turn. I have no trust in him. I can't see myself going to visit him and giving him the opportunity to face me and lie to me again.

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BALDWIN: Under Friday's plea agreement, Castro will not get the death penalty, but he has agreed to a term of life plus 1,000 years in prison. He will be formally sentenced Thursday on more than 900 charges.

Now to some of the hottest stories in a flash. Roll it.

In Bristol, Connecticut, a police dive team searching this lake here for an item that may be involved in the Aaron Hernandez murder case. This here is Pine Lake about a mile from the home of Aaron Hernandez's uncle.

That home has been searched multiple times as part of the investigation into the murder of Odin Lloyd.

Just to remind you here, the murder weapon, .45 caliber gun, has not yet been recovered. Law enforcement sources declined to say if that weapon is what they're searching for at this lake there. We will keep you updated.

Heartbreak in Indiana, a bus carrying around 40 church campers overturned on to a concrete barrier Saturday in Indianapolis.

A youth pastor, his pregnant wife and a chaperone were killed in that crash. Nineteen people were injured.

The driver says the brakes failed as the bus was making a left turn.

Hawaii about to get smacked by Tropical Storm Flossie, forecast shows the storm weakening a bit. The National Weather Service predicting 15 inches of rain.

Hawaiians are stocking up for the storm. Of course, surf's up. Surfers enjoying the huge swells before the storm hits.

A shout-out today from the president to one of baseball's all-time greats, Hall of Famer Willie Mays, 82-years-old, joined his former team, the San Francisco Giants, winners of the 2012 World Series.

The team gave the president an autographed bat and ball. After a quick inspection, the president joked that he couldn't make out any of the signatures.

It may just be lunch between two battle hardened politicians, but the implications, they're enough to send the world into a political frenzy. You have President Obama and his former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.

There she was stepping out of the big car today. She spent about two hours in the White House, came out just a couple of hours ago. Question is, what did they talk about?

According to the White House deputy press secretary, the lunch was simply a chance for the two to catch up.

And while we're on the subject here of presidents, let me bring in Jake Tapper, host of "The Lead" coming up in a couple of minutes.

Nice to see you back, by the way. How was the beach?

JAKE TAPPER, HOST, "THE LEAD": It was awesome, a lot of swimming with the kids, a lot of fun.

BALDWIN: Awesome. Hillary Clinton, she was at the White House, lunching.

There is other Clinton news this week as well. Jake Tapper, tell me.

TAPPER: It's very interesting. Over the weekend, NBC at the annual gathering of television critics announced that they were going to have a miniseries about Hillary Clinton.

This has created quite a kerfuffle, as you might imagine. A lot of people speculating this is going to be a puff piece, an infomercial for Clinton 2016.

Although there are some people on the Clinton side who remember the "Path to 9/11" miniseries in 2006 which was not particularly flattering to Bill Clinton, and a lot of people thought that was anti- Clinton.

So it's a lose/lose situation, editorially, but it could be a win/win for the ratings. That's what NBC is banking on, of course.

BALDWIN: You'll have more on the miniseries.

Also not just one, but two really good guests.

TAPPER: Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, rising star in the Republican Party, in the middle of a lot of fights right now between different factions in the Republican Party, also leading the charge to un-fund, defund, Obamacare, pushing, of course, an action that could even, perhaps, lead to a government shutdown unless Obamacare is defunded.

Then we also have Julian Assange from Wikileaks who will be coming in to us from the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

We'll be talking to us about the Bradley Manning verdict which we anticipate will happen tomorrow. That's, of course, the young man, the specialist who leaked all the documents to Wikileaks.

Of course, we'll also talk to him about Edward Snowden who, I believe, is still in that terminal in the Russian airport. BALDWIN: Transit zone.

TAPPER: I thought he was going to get out before I got back from vacation.

BALDWIN: You haven't been keeping tabs on him every day at the beach?

TAPPER: I've been checking in with the news periodically. I like to take a break now and then.

BALDWIN: Big, big day coming back from vacation, nice work.

See you at the top of the hour with "The Lead With Jake Tapper." Thank you very much.

Coming up next, word that another statue has been vandalized today in Washington, D.C.

New pictures, not quite sure what that spells out, but here you have, again, the theme here, green paint splashed across now not just one, but two memorials today in addition to the Lincoln Memorial last week.

What's going on? We'll go to D.C., next.

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BALDWIN: Apple is in damage-control mode, and yet again, it is because of a supplier in China.

Company called Pegatron is accused of some brutal labor practices like having workers clock nearly 70 hours a week.

CNN's Dan Simon is tracking the story for us. Who's making these accusations? What is it that they say Pegatron did?

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Hi, Brooke.

This comes from a watchdog group called China Labor Watch, and it says it investigated Pegatron and that it found at least 86 violations that fall into various categories such as underage labor, poor working and living conditions, and insufficient wages.

You know, this is a supplier that Apple has been turning to more and more as it makes more devices, and as it prepares to, perhaps, come out with a new version of the iPhone, perhaps a cheaper version, that China Labor Watch estimated that employees in three Pegatron facilities worked an average of 66 to 69 hours per week.

Now, that's well above Apple's policy of a 60-hour workweek, according to that organization, so these are very serious issues.

Apple, once again, in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons, Brooke.

BALDWIN: What does Apple say? SIMON: You know, they did put out a statement rather quickly. It says in part, "Apple is committed to providing safe and fair working conditions throughout our supply chain.

"This latest report contains claims that are new to us and we will investigate them immediately.

"If our audit finds that workers have been underpaid or denied compensation for any time they've worked, we will require that Pegatron reimburse them in full."

As we said, Brooke, this has been a recurring issue. As you may recall, in 2010, you had a series of suicides at another manufacturing partner of Apple's. This was at Foxconn.

You had those series of suicides, and that brought up reports of all kinds of violations. Apple made some changes then. We'll see what happens this time.

BALDWIN: Dan Simon, thank you, Dan.

Coming up next, peace in the Middle East? For the first time in three years, negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians are set to begin anew in Washington, D.C., tonight with Secretary of State John Kerry as the lead negotiator.

What can we expect? We'll go live to the State Department, next.

But first, David Eagleman tackles some of the deepest questions of human existence. What is time? What is consciousness? How does the human brain construct reality?

Deep thoughts here, Dr. Sanjay Gupta has more in "The Next List.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: This week on "The Next List," two innovators turning reality inside out.

Does time really slow down?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We all assume that time is just a river that's flowing past.

GUPTA: Neuroscientist David Eagleman puts his theory to the test.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what we did is we dropped people from a 150- foot tall tower.

GUPTA: Chef Omarokantu, from edible menus to sour foods that taste sweet, how this modern-day Willie Wonka is reimaging the way we eat.

Their stories, this Saturday, 2:30 Eastern, only on "The Next List."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BALDWIN: As we have been reporting, now we're hearing of another memorial statue vandalized in Washington, D.C. We're talking about two today alone.

This news after the Lincoln Memorial was splashed with green paint last week, Erin McPike, I'm mad. What's going on?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, there are actually two new incidents today.

One is a statue at the Smithsonian Castle and some park police, security guards, noticed some green paint yesterday and they're trying to figure utility if it's tied to the Lincoln Memorial vandalism that happened on Friday, but they don't know yet.

But just recently, today, Brooke, a second site, it happened at the National Cathedral, and it happened in the Bethlehem Chapel in the crypt level of the National Cathedral.

Now that paint still wet, and police are there. They're investigating that, too.

Again, we don't know if any of these incidents are related, but police are investigating all of them right now, Brooke.

BALDWIN: So, just quickly, as we go back to the Lincoln Memorial from last week, I know they were looking at surveillance tape. Nothing so far?

MCPIKE: Nothing so far. And what they said is they will release that surveillance video to the public if they think it will help them catch who did this, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Hopefully they catch the person soon. Erin McPike, thank you very much.

And for the first time in years, face-to-face talks between the Israelis and Palestinians are to take place tonight in Washington.

Secretary of state John Kerry has pushed very, very hard for these talks. Some might say it's become Kerry's personal priority.

But Kerry warned today, no guarantees of success.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY: It's no secret that this is a difficult process. If it were easy, it would have happened a long time ago.

It's no secret, therefore, that many difficult choices lie ahead for the negotiators and for the leaders, as we seek reasonable compromises on tough, complicated, emotional and symbolic issues.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: So tonight they will be talking about the process. They'll talk about the shape of the table, that kind of stuff. They'll get down to the substance later in the Middle East.

But tonight the Palestinian Authority is sending Saeb Erekat, their longtime negotiator, just as Minister Tzipi Livni will represent the Israelis.

So, to Washington we go to the State Department and our correspondent there, Jill Dougherty.

And, Jill, to help get the talks going, we know that the Israelis have agreed, down the road, to release about 100 Palestinian prisoners, and I know a lot of Israelis are asking, why make the concessions before the talks even start?

Can you answer that?

JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: They wanted some serious signal from both sides, really. And from the Israeli side you have that. It is very significant.

And this is a significant time because, after all, you know, negotiations broke down. The direct, face-to-face negotiations broke down three years ago, another time. And this is the first time in three years that they're getting together.

So there is hope, but as you heard, Brooke, you know that there is a long way to go to get what agreement, so you have two states, the Palestinian state, Israel, side by side.

BALDWIN: And with everything going on in the Middle East, you have Syria, you have Egypt, you have Libya, why has Secretary Kerry made this his priority?

DOUGHERTY: Because this is the key issue. If you talk to anybody who knows the region, they say you really have to solve this because it affects everything that happens in the Middle East.

It fuels anger. It fuels anger among certainly among the Arab. It fuels anger among young people. You've seen them on the streets in the Palestinian territories.

And if you can solve this, which has really bedeviled people for years, you might be able to have some type of an effect. That's the idea, but it is a long way now before they really come up with something.

They're giving it nine months, by the way. Nine months, they're saying it's not a deadline. They're giving it nine months to give it the college try, to get in there and do as much as they can and at that point they hope that they can accomplish something.

BALDWIN: We will follow the process all along the way.

Jill Dougherty, thank you very much.

And we'll be right back.

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BALDWIN: Actor Jason Patric is the father of a three-year-old little boy, but the boy's mother says Patric is just the sperm donor.

A bitter custody battle here between the 47-year-old movie star and his former girlfriend is actually setting the stage for many modern family custody cases.

He wants to help raise the child he fathered by in vitro fertilization, but a California law says the donor of sperm is treated as if he were not the natural father unless otherwise agreed to in writing.

So now Patric is pushing to change the law and give sperm donors equal rights.

He sat down today with Chris Cuomo on CNN's "New Day" to give his side of the story.

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CHRIS CUOMO, HOST, "CNN NEW DAY": Why is your understanding of why the mother won't let you see your boy?

JASON PATRIC, ACTOR: I have absolutely no idea.

She was on television on the "Today" show a couple of weeks ago, saying that she has no problem with me having a relationship.

I actually addressed the camera and said, call me, Danielle. I'll be anywhere in the world.

Not a word. My lawyer wrote a letter. She's been ignoring me now for 23 weeks.

CUOMO: Did Danielle ever tell you, listen, we both know this relationship between us is not what it needs to be, I'm the sole parent?

PATRIC: No, never.

CUOMO: Did she ever say, look, there's this law. Under the law here, you know, I've already protected myself?

PATRIC: This law is something that her lawyers found the statute two months into our separation, and just perverted it and slipped me into it.

I was as shocked as can be when they hit me with those papers.

CUOMO: So you were already in court kind of having the typical battle, how much money you're going to give, how much time you get ...

PATRIC: Absolutely. Asking for my financials.

We spent seven hours with the mediator, both sides, and in that seven hours time, which is a long time, the word "donor" was never raised at all. They had not located the statute yet to like slap me with.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thanks for being with me.

See you back here tomorrow.

"The Lead" with Jake Tapper starts now.