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Killers on the Run No More; Pressure Builds to Fix Obamacare Web; Ted Cruz: Hero or Villain?; Firefighter Braves Wall of Flames; Mystery Blonde Girl Found in Greece; Spotlight on Actor Jim Carrey; Manning's Return to Indy; Killers on the Run Captured

Aired October 20, 2013 - 18:00   ET

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NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They do not believe that Charles Walker and Joseph Jenkins acted alone. In fact, they are looking for those who helped them get their hands on those forged documents. And speaking of those fraudulent documents, they say, they could have cost up to $8,000.

That's what FDLE is telling CNN just a short time ago. They are saying that is part of their initial investigation. It is still in early stages.

But a lot of people are wondering exactly how they did it.

Take a listen to CNN legal analyst Mark O'Mara who explains how he thinks it went down.

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MARK O'MARA, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, it has to be somebody on the inside. It just has to be, somebody at the clerk's office, somebody in the courthouse. Maybe even somebody in a state attorney's office position, a secretary maybe who can actually get that paperwork done.

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VALENCIA: And we've been talking about this throughout day, Don. Not very many people willing to take ownership here as far as the agency's involved in this bureaucratic bungle, you know. No one wants to take ownership for what happened. No one is taking the blame, a lot of finger-pointing going on at this point, still -- Don.

LEMON: Yes, we had the judge on a little bit ago. He doesn't take the blame. He said, you know, there are two different agencies there that should be communicating that are not communicating. He admitted that here or CNN.

So, obviously, they will have to work that out, Nick. But what's happened now with these inmates? Obviously, these two men can't be punished any worse than life with no parole. Do they still have to answer for this escape? I guess there could be the death penalty, but they want do that on this thing.

VALENCIA: Yes, we are working on confirming that. But you're right, Don, they are held on life sentences. There is really nothing more than can be done right now but they were in court a little while ago. I guess a few hours ago, earlier this morning. They appeared by video conference from where they are held in jail on Dade County.

They're going to have another appearance on October 25th, and eventually brought before the Florida Department of Corrections. But they got away with a lot, Don. They are out on the run for weeks and really embarrassed people here in the state of Florida -- Don.

LEMON: CNN's Nick Valencia -- Nick, thank you very much. We appreciate that.

One of the things that Jenkins and Walker did to fake their way out of prison was produce documents with this signature on them. That appears to be the actual signature of Judge Belvin Perry, Florida's 9th Judicial Circuit Court. The problem is Judge Perry never signed this. The signature is real, but it was forged into the papers.

I talked to the judge just a few moments ago in Orlando and he was not amused.

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JUDGE BELVIN PERRY JR., FLORIDA'S NINTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT: Don, more than likely what happened, someone appeared in the clerk's office, dropped them in a box. They were processed as they ordinary do process documents. There was absolutely no contact with my office. No one even checked to see if in fact the cases were assigned to me. And they went on about their merry way and were transmitted to the Department of Corrections. And in the Department of Corrections got them, and acted upon them.

LEMON: So, obviously something needs to be done. How does this make you feel that your name was used to escape, your signature. Obviously you're not amused by it. Are you angry? Are you going to fight for change? What?

PERRY: Well, am I angry? No. I don't like it. It didn't make me angry.

But let's face reality. When your name and documents that you signed are plastered on the Internet for anybody and everybody to see, and if someone with basic knowledge can paste and cut your signature, it didn't surprise me that it happened. It was just a matter of time. It shows that we need to do a little bit more in authentication of documents and that's a process that we're going to start doing now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: Well, the state of Florida, particularly the Department of Corrections hasn't said much publicly about the escape or how it happened.

You know, people get caught with guns and knives all the time at the airport. But this is over the top. Authorities at New York's JFK airport say a Long Island man tried to board a JetBlue flight yesterday, carrying a bag filled with more than a dozen knives, five pairs of scissors, more than a dozen lighters and other so-called implements of destruction. Timothy Schiavo is charged with criminal possession of a weapon.

Some of the GOP's big guns are taking at a problem-plagued debut of the Obamacare enrolment program. On CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION", Senator John McCain calls it a fiasco.

In an exclusive interview with Senator Ted Cruz, which also aired on "STATE OF THE UNION", he says HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has to go as a first step to fix the problem.

CNN's Chris Lawrence is in Washington.

Chris, it sounds like the administration is going to counter with a Rose Garden event tomorrow, talking about the benefits of Obamacare. What are you hearing?

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's right, Don. A little after 11:00 in the morning tomorrow at the Rose Garden, the president is going to bring consumers, some pharmacists, certain small business owners, who all support his Affordable Care Act. Basically some of these folks are going to be people who didn't have health care coverage before who have now enrolled in the program or those who are looking at enrolling and going through the process. He's going to sort of tout to the achievements of the program.

And he is also going to adjust the glitches. You know, people getting error messages, not able to get a pass word, taking weeks to even get through the simplest part of the system. He's going to try to address that. And Senator John McCain earlier today, right here on CNN, said there is absolutely no excuse for what's happened so far.

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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Many ironies here, but one of them is, the fiasco of this rollout has been obscured because of this internecine strife that's been going on in the Republican Party. So we will continue, I think, to try to get rid of the worst aspects of Obamacare, including the medical device tax and others. But it was a fools errand to start with. It was never going to succeed.

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LAWRENCE: You can already start to see the White House start to shift the attention off of those computer glitches, saying, look, it's not just a Web site. This is a program and the program at its heart is still good. Trying to sort of distance itself while taking responsibility for those glitches, Don.

LEMON: Chris, I want to ask you this, because John McCain was it was a mistake for the GOP to insist on defunding Obamacare during the budget crisis. But, you know, he -- I think he said it was a fool's errand, right?

LAWRENCE: Yes. LEMON: Will the Tea Party go along?

LAWRENCE: Hard to say, Don. Right now, earlier today, Senator Ted Cruz indicated he is not taking anything off the table in terms of trying to, you know, push this so the brink once again. He said, look, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure Obamacare is defunded. So he is not taking anything off the table.

It remains to be seen whether they would have that same kind of leverage. I don't think there is any appetite in the Republican House among some of its leaders to go back to the same gamut again and try to shut down the government.

LEMON: So the numbers, half million applications. We have talked about this a bit. The government needs 7 million to sign up in order to support the cause. I mean, what's the administration saying about that? I guess he will have to explain it tomorrow.

LAWRENCE: Yes. They look at it as a positive, Don. White House is saying, look, they've had 19 million visits on the Web site. And about a half million people filled out the application. That just means that they've gone through the process, put in their salary. Who in their family that might need health care?

That doesn't mean they've actually enrolled and that's the numbers that we're really going to be waiting for in the next couple of weeks, to see how many people have actually enrolled to see how far along they are, you know, to get into that 7 million mark that they want.

LEMON: Chris Lawrence, appreciate it, sir.

LAWRENCE: Yes.

LEMON: Ted Cruz, not backing down and not ruling out another government shutdown. Does this make him more popular to Americans or is he the poster child for a failing GOP? We're discussing that.

And who knew? Hollywood funny man, Jim Carrey, now a published author. We're goin to talk to him about his new book and his new film.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REPORTER: Can you give us little taste of what we can expect in your new movie?

JIM CARREY, ACTOR: No, no, I can't.

REPORTER: A little, just teaser?

CARREY: How's that (ph)?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: Republican Senator Ted Cruz, not backing down. Not backing off his desire to defund Obamacare. And in an interview, an exclusive one with CNN's Dana Bash on today's "STATE OF THE UNION", Cruz said he is not ruling out a chance to reopen the debate when the new January 15th deadline for a new budget arrives.

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DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You're very deliberately not ruling it out.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: What I'm saying is the top priority, there are a lot of politicians in Washington that want to put Obamacare behind us. Say OK, fine, no more. No more discussing Obamacare. You know what? The American people are not satisfied with that.

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LEMON: OK. So by now everyone has an opinion about Ted Cruz. I'm sure the people to my right and to my left have some very strong opinions as well. Let's talk about Cruz, his impact on the nation and his own party.

CNN commentator L.Z. Granderson joins me from Indianapolis. And in Boston, his regular sparring partner, on this show at least, CNN political commentator and Republican strategist, Ana Navarro.

Hey, guys. How are you doing?

L.Z. GRANDERSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Hey, Don.

ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: By the way, I'm coming to you from Red Sox nation. I want you to understand that.

GRANDERSON: Boo --

LEMON: Oh, gosh! OK. At least it's red for you, Ana.

Ana, you are a Republican strategist and you worked with Senator John McCain. I want you to listen to McCain's comments on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION" about Ted Cruz and others who pushed for the government shutdown.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCCAIN: All those involved in it went on a fool's errand. That's just a fact. The other irony is that in the polling data, national polling, with Republicans are at an all time historic low in approval, or historic high in disapproval.

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LEMON: You know, if I say that, I'm called for a show for the White House, right? If John McCain says it, what happens? Why doesn't anybody say the same thing about him, Ana Navarro? Did Ted Cruz take the Republican Party on a fool's errand? NAVARRO: Well, I can assure you John McCain gets called a lot of things. So you shouldn't be feeling that now.

One of the things he gets called a lot, which I get called a lot is RINO. I say, yes, OK, go for it. That means Republicans who are inclusive, not obstructionists.

LEMON: Right.

NAVARRO: I think what John McCain is saying is the reality.

Look, you know, Senator Cruz can be standing on principle -- so are so many other Republican who did not go along with this, who do not like Obamacare.

But who understand that when you have the majority of one chamber of Congress and the Democrats have the majority and Senate and White House, you cannot get these things done. And instead, what we've done, there is not only a fool's errand, we've done ourselves harm as Republicans. We have stepped all over our message. We have not had a unified front and we have taken and distracted from what has been a very lackluster, for lack of a better word, roll-out of the Obamacare launch.

So it has been really a negative impact for Republicans and practically every aspect. And I think McCain is right. It's not going to happen again because the adults are back in charge of the classroom. And they are not going to go along with this again, as they did this time to try it accommodate this faction of the Republican Party.

LEMON: I'd give you a microphone to drop it, if I had one to give you.

Thank you for saying that, because it's the absolute truth. And I hope someone is paying attention. I hope the Tea Party members and partisan, the really right wing faction of the Republican Party is listening. It did not do the party any good. And you're not saying that just for your health.

L.Z., Ted Cruz says he is not going way. He is not backing down. He is not even ruling out another round of this shutdown strategy in January. McCain vows that will never happen.

So, what do you say?

GRANDERSON: You know, this thing has a couple of tentacles we need to look at. The Tea Party came into power in 2010 under the guise of helping to reel in some of our (AUDIO GAP) right? They weren't happy with the stimulus package. I think that's a good mission to be on.

But what happened once they got into power was that they got splintered. Instead of focusing on things like defunding Planned Parenthood, instead of talking about Sesame Street and PBS getting too much money. And you didn't see a single plan coming out of the Tea Party agree addressing jobs or aggressively went after our biggest spending was happening, which, of course, would be the Department of Defense (AUDIO GAP) entitlements. They lost their focus.

Now, fast forward to here in 2013 and I still say they lost their focus, because if you look at Rand Paul, who was a Tea Party favorite, you look at Ted Cruz, who's the current Tea Party favorite, you look at some of the things that Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin said in past and they too are Tea Party favorites, they are all different messages. So, until there is a unified message, there will continue to be problems for the Republican Party.

But the one thing I will say that's really funny, and that's a quote from Malcolm X, the chicken has come home to roost. The Republican establishment always knew these were crazy people, but they wanted the crazy people to help them win the House. They've got that. Now, the chickens have come home to roost. They're going to stay here and it's up to Boehner and some of the other established Republicans to figure a way in which they can keep the numbers of the Tea Party and keep perhaps some of the craziness down.

LEMON: Both y'all must have went to church today. You are both preaching. So, I want to talk to you about interesting comments from Robert Redford. We'll talk about that. He told CNN that he believes racism is a factor in the government shutdown.

Ana and L.Z., I want to know what you guys think. We'll get those thoughts right after this break.

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LEMON: If you guys can hear what we talked about in the break. We are talking politics with our friends, Ana Navarro and L.Z. Granderson.

And I want to more about the shutdown, the part of the shutdown debate that didn't receive a lot of attention, and that is actor Robert Redford. He gave an interview to CNN this week and he had some strong comments about the president's political opponents in Congress.

Listen.

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ROBERT REDFORD, ACTOR: It is so decrepit. It is so paralyzed. And the worst of it is, is that it's paralyzed by intention. There's a body of congressional people that want to paralyze the system. I think what sits underneath it, unfortunately, is there is probably some racism involved, which is really awful.

Never mind they are supposed to be in office representing the interest of the public. They are representing their own self interest which is very narrow and in some cases just bigoted.

(END VIDEO CLIP) LEMON: Ana? Is Robert Redford an out of touch Hollywood liberal or does he have a point?

NAVARRO: Oh, Lord, Don Lemon. You do know I have a weakness for good looking men. And you do know once upon a time, Robert Redford was a fine male specimen.

But listen, what he is saying right now is not accurate. Not everybody that some people may think is about racism is about racism. Not everything that some people say is not about racism is not about racism.

Is there racism in America 2013? Absolutely, there is. But I think it undermines the issue and the problem of racism by not recognizing that there are serous policy issues and that people have a principled policy difference with what Obamacare encompasses.

So, I will give Robert Redford a break, you know. I love so many of his movies. I'm telling you. I love those blue eyes. I'd love to get lost in them. But I think this is just a little bit on cuckoo crazy side.

LEMON: OK, so you like Robert Redford.

Well, L.Z., you know, he specifically referenced members of Congress as having racial motivations. There are members of Congress who oppose a president simply because he is black. Is it reckless for someone like Redford to be out throwing out accusations like that?

GRANDERSON: Honestly, and this might get me in trouble, but I think it's reckless to put much stock into what Robert Redford says. At the end of the day, he is an actor who is right now is promoting a movie. We cannot forget.

LEMON: Thank you. Yes.

GRANDERSON: But with that being said, all you have to do is look at the history books. Lyndon Johnson, when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, essentially said the Democrats have lost the South for a generation. And what he was saying was that all of the people who were upset over the fact that Americans would be granted more rights in this country would become Republicans and we have still seen that element part of the Republican Party.

Now, Ana is absolutely correct. We will always have racism. It's important to point out that there is racism in the Democratic Party as well. I'm not trying to say racism is belonging to one party.

But what's unique about Obama, of course, is the fact that he is the first African-American president and we didn't hear squat in the Tea Party when Reagan was raising the debt ceiling 18 times, or when other Bushes were raising the debt ceiling. And now, all of a sudden, the black man wants to raise the debt ceiling and what happens to our country becomes (AUDIO GAP)

So, don't put stock into what Redford is saying. But at the same time, racism is here. Racism is a part of the conversation and I think racism is going to unfortunately continue to be a part of the conversation.

LEMON: So, Ana, before I let you go back --

NAVARRO: Let me just say. Let me say this. The last time we had a government shutdown was under President Bill Clinton. And I know that he liked to think of himself as the first black president. But let's say it, the man was pasty white, is pasty white.

So, you know --

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: I know where you're going. There was a lot of hate for Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton was a white president and the Republicans hated him just as much. We cannot deny --

(CROSSTALK)

NAVARRO: And there were a lot of anger to George W. Bush.

LEMON: I get that. We cannot deny that there is racism --

NAVARRO: It is a polarized political environment.

LEMON: OK, here is what I want to talk about, though, because I'm sick of people saying, stop calling it Obamacare. Stop calling it Obamacare. And the president embraced that term. The administration embraced that term, Ana.

Quickly, can we talk about that? Ana, in the beak, you said, if it was anti-aging or affordable, health care. It's more popular when you call it that, that more people would buy it. I say we should call it, you know, anti-aging health care or free anything with free in it works for me.

GRANDERSON: Well, listen, it's what I told you on the break. The reason people don't want it to be called Obamacare is when you poll Affordable Care Act versus Obamacare, Affordable Care Act turns out to be much more popular. Anything with the name affordable, with the word affordable is more popular.

And it's what I said to you. You put the word anti-aging on anything, and I will buy it. You put the word affordable on anything, I will buy it.

So, I just think it's a branding issue and less about anything else.

LEMON: Anti-aging health care, L.Z.?

GRANDERSON: There are people that hate Obama. So, as soon as they hear his name, Obama, they don't care what it is, they are opposed to it.

So, while affordable makes you got to it, for a lot of people, hearing Obama make them turn away from it.

LEMON: So maybe we just should call it --

NAVARRO: Guys, I maybe if we called it anti-aging Obamacare and it would become a lot -- anti-aging affordable Obamacare and everybody would be all for it, right?

LEMON: Or weight loss care.

All right. Thank you, guys.

GRANDERSON: Thank you.

LEMON: Ana, go back to your Robert Redford marathon. We appreciate it.

Australia in flames right now. Over 50 separate fires burning. Some of them in the outskirts of Sydney. A firefighter joins us live, next.

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LEMON: This is going to be a tense and dangerous week for the people in eastern Australia and just take a look at this. This is incredible video, was shot by a volunteer firefighter Michael Green. It was shot on Thursday in the Blue Mountains just northwest of Sydney.

Look at that. Hot, dry and windy conditions have produced dozens of raging wildfires. At least 200 homes have been lost and more than 100 others have been damaged.

Michael Green joins us now by phone from the town of Dargen. It's right outside of Sydney.

What was going through your mind when you drove through this wall of flames, Michael?

MICHAEL GREEN, AUSTRALIAN VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER: Well, as far as -- in my life (INAUDIBLE), we've been fighting fires all night, pretty much. And then we just thought, we have to get out. I thought well, I've been through that temperature in large fire trucks. And I was just sort of in a funny state of mind, I'm becoming (INAUDIBLE), and my wife started saying, gun it, gun it, like speed up. That means speed it up, speed it up. Because she could feel the heat coming. The intense heat coming through the windows.

Then I realized, what am I doing? It's -- this is a -- she wanted to turn back. Couldn't turn back. This is a fire truck -- not a fire truck, sorry. We went through it. And it was quite scary. And the tanker that come through in the video, those tankers can sometimes with large water tankers, they can sometimes be in the middle of the road because they don't know who's coming through either. So it was a bit risky.

LEMON: Yes.

GREEN: But I just -- I had to get home to see what if the house was all right.

LEMON: Yes. And I could see that you -- I can hear your -- is that your wife talking to you in the background?

GREEN: Yes.

LEMON: Yes. She's explaining, no, this happened. So we could see a very typical husband-and-wife scenario there. So you were trying to actually get to your house to see if it had been damaged. And so you went through this? You weren't escaping this fire? You were trying to go back home?

GREEN: Yes.

LEMON: Yes.

GREEN: The fire had passed. (INAUDIBLE). But it was still quite severe. And yes, most people were leaving, I have to admit.

LEMON: Yes.

GREEN: It does look a bit silly. I just find it funny when most are going out and we're going back in.

LEMON: So these are hot spots that were still you see happening. As you said, most of the fire was gone. And if you look at the tress in the earlier part of the video as you're going through, it almost looks like they are decorated with, you know, white lights for Christmas, but those were trees that were becoming engulfed in flames. So did you make it to your house?

GREEN: Yes, we did. We did.

LEMON: And how did it --

(CROSSTALK)

GREEN: Down the back field the shed on fire and the dog was -- he was all right. And the house was basically intact. We have a good system out here. They saved quite a few houses in this area. It's just lucky, the wind changed -- the winds were blowing right up. And at the last minute, they changed into southerly which took it away from our actual house and so I have go -- to move somewhere else.

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: Are you at your house now? Are you at your house?

GREEN: Sorry?

LEMON: Are you in your house now?

GREEN: Yes, we're at the house now.

LEMON: You're at the house. And you're going to stay?

GREEN: Yes. We've been ordered to evacuate. But we and a few other people they just stayed staying here. They haven't gotten a plan.

LEMON: OK.

GREEN: But we have plans. And there's a lot of people up here now from different states. So we're not (INAUDIBLE) looking stand down from our --

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: All right. Well, Michael Green, also a school bus driver, volunteer firefighter, thank you. We really appreciate it. Tell your wife hello. And we appreciate you joining us. Be safe.

GREEN: Yes. I will tell her hello.

LEMON: All right.

GREEN: Thanks for -- I didn't know it created so much interest. Thanks for having us.

LEMON: All right. You guys take care.

Meantime, we're going to talk about a mystery girl. A 4-year-old found by police with a couple who claimed she was their child. No one seems to know who she is.

And history up for auction. A violent played by the Titanic's musical conductor as the ship went down sold at auction.

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LEMON: We're back. Now to other international news making headlines now. And for that is CNN's Rosa Flores.

Hey, Rosa.

ROSA FLORES, CNN ANCHOR: Hey, Don.

Well, we start off in Greece with a mystery that is sparking worldwide speculation about the possibly abduction of trafficking of a blond blue eyed girl Maria. Now take a look at her picture. She was discovered during the raid of a Roma house, also known as gypsies in central Greece. Authorities say she was in a state of neglect both physically and psychologically.

DNA tests showed that she was not related to the couple who was claiming to be her parents. It triggered an international search for her real family. And child and safety advocates say this is a call to everyone to pay attention to children.

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MICHELLE CLARK, FORMER DIRECTOR OF ANTI-TRAFFICKING UNIT AT OSCE: We need to start viewing these as situations of abuse, authorities need to know, to start paying attention when they get calls they should investigate the calls. And act and treat this as the crime, the organized crime that it is.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

FLORES: More than 8,000 calls with tips have been made from around the world. Now authorities say at least eight of them have provided important information including four from the United States.

Maria is in protective custody. The couple who claimed to be her parents face child abduction charges.

And now to the tune of "Everlasting hope." Do you recognize that tune? That tune is from the 20th century FOX film "Titanic." So why would we be showing you this? Well, the real violin, not the replica from the movie, played by the "Titanic's" musical conductor, as the ship went down, sold for a whopping $1.7 million. That's a record price, folks, for "Titanic" memorabilia.

According to survivors, William Hartley's band played to calm passengers, even as the ship sink beneath them. Now Hartley's body was reportedly pulled from the water days later with his violent case still strapped to his back. That instrument was found in an attic in 2006. The name of the new owner was not released.

The name of this heart attack contest on a plate? Could surprise you. It's the world's Poutine Eating Championship in Toronto.

So what's Poutine? French fries topped with a gravy-like saws and cheese curds. According to the contest Web site, Joey Chestnut took the 2013 trophy. He ate 19 boxes of Poutine.

And now I've got to ask you, Don.

LEMON: Yes.

FLORES: Because you said you would win the stone crab eating contest. Could you do this one?

LEMON: I could do everything but the cheese curds.

(LAUGHTER)

FLORES: I don't know that --

LEMON: French fries with gravy.

FLORES: French fries. That's right.

LEMON: Yes. There's this place in Atlanta, called -- what is it called? Leon's. In Decatur. And French fries and you get the kind of gravy you want.

FLORES: There's a Decatur in Atlanta, too?

LEMON: Decatur, Georgia. Yes.

FLORES: Decatur in New Orleans. LEMON: It's so freaking awesome. Sorry, go ahead.

(LAUGHTER)

FLORES: Now regardless if it's 19 boxes of French fries or shrimp, or whatever you're thinking about, you don't want to do it right before doing this.

Take a look at your screen. Jumping off the highest base jumping spot in southwest China. Athletes from around the world join in for the thrill jumping -- hear this -- 370 meters above ground. The rain didn't stop them from showing off all kinds of rolls and dives and turns in the air.

Now base, by the way, is an extreme sport where athletes specialize in leaps from tall fixed objects, jumpers have five seconds to open their parachutes in the air. They jumped off. Now currently there's about 1,000 base jumpers. Most of the top performers are from Europe and the U.S.

Don, are you signing up, my friend?

LEMON: The answer is no. I would never do that. Not even with your body or brains, I would not do it.

FLORES: No, I couldn't do it either.

LEMON: All right.

FLORES: I mean, just watching the video, my stomach just reacts to the fall.

LEMON: Yes. Yes. Thank you, Rosa. See you soon.

You never know what you're going to get when you sit down with Jim Carrey.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JIM CARREY, ACTOR, AUTHOR: I think of myself, you know, people are always trying to -- I must kill the president. Sorry, that was my code. I'm a "Manchurian Candidate."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: Jim Carrey, acting, and now author. Just ahead. But first, this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Corporal Michael Boucher will never forget June 12th, 2011, the day his whole life changed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were in Afghanistan. An IED was set op off. It was a blessing that I stayed conscious, though, because I didn't have to wake up later and realized that both of my legs were missing. UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He was 22 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was trying to figure out what I was going to be able to do and what I wasn't.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Boucher always liked to hunt and fish. Now an all terrain wheelchair is helping him get back to doing what he loves the most.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It turns your disability into an ability.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: With tracks like a mini tank, it'll go almost anywhere. Through mud, sand, snow, even up and down hills.

Tim Swenson created the action track chair after his own son was paralyzed in a car accident.

TIM SWENSON, ACTION MANUFACTURING: I always thought about, how can I get Josh to be back outdoors and get off the hard surface.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So he used his background in motor sports to design an off road electric chair that could help more than just his son.

SWENSON: We started using some of the things I knew about, snowmobiles and ATVs and we started building.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Swenson sold his first one in 2009 and offers different sizes for both kids and adults. And he designed a second model that allows paralyzed people to stand up.

But the chairs aren't cheap. Starting at $10,000 and are not yet covered by insurance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is made a huge difference and it's added that independence back to my life.

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LEMON: You have seen his antics on the big and small screen. And now actor Jim Carrey is taking on the literary world.

CNN caught up with Carrey at a signing for his new children's book, "How Roland Rolls." The veteran box office comic spoke about his book and the filming of "Dumb and Dumber 2."

Here is Anna Cabrera.

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CARREY: Somewhere --

ANNA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At age 51, Jim Carrey still knows how to capture an audience. CARREY: There is nothing interesting over there. They are all out of "50 Shades of Gray."

CABRERA: But on this day, his pint-sized fan base drinks juice boxes, sits on the carpet and with legs crossed.

CARREY: Every time I turn the page, I want all you kids to go.

CABRERA: It's exactly what Carrey is hoping for, adding a new title to his long list of credits, children's author.

CARREY: I'm drunk with my own self-importance. Really, truly. It's like nothing I can't do. It's amazing.

CABRERA: All kidding aside, Carrey's story centers around an anxious wave named Roland who hopes to better understand his purpose in life.

CARREY: He's afraid that one day when he hits the beach his life will be over. But when he gets deep he's struck by the notion that he's not just the wave, he's the whole big wide ocean. So it's that feeling of -- that ultimate fear that when it actually happens, it's not bad, and it's -- and you actually just go into a different phase and a different kind of feeling and awareness.

CABRERA: Our cameras caught up with Carrey at a book signing in Atlanta. But the two-time Golden Globe winner has also been seen around town for others reasons.

CARREY: Austria. Well, good day, mate.

CABRERA: Carrey and his co-star, Jeff Daniels, are making a sequel to "Dumb and Dumber." That's right. Lloyd and Harry are back. It's a film almost 20 years in the making.

(On camera): What do you think when you see that picture? What comes to your mind?

CARREY: I think I'm amazed at the wonders of ink printers.

CABRERA: Yes.

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CARREY: It's just right there for us any time we want it. You know, it's just friends getting together again. You know, for me.

CABRERA: Yes?

CARREY: Absolutely.

CABRERA: Can you give us a little taste of what we can expect in your new movie?

CARREY: No. No, I can't.

CABRERA: A little just teaser? CARREY: How's that? How's that? Right there?

CABRERA (voice-over): Jim Carrey --

CARREY: All right.

CABRERA: Taking on a new chapter in his life and making plenty of laughs along the way.

Anna Cabrera, CNN, Atlanta.

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LEMON: Peyton Manning returns to play the Colts and his former owner is making noise. He is one of the greatest quarterbacks the game has ever seen. What kind of homecoming will he receive? We're going to talk about it next.

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LEMON: Boston Red Sox headed to the World Series. Boston beat Detroit 5-2 last night on the strength of Shane Victorino's grand slam. They eliminated the Tigers in six games. Next up, a rematch of the 2004 World Series against the Cardinals. Game 1, Wednesday, which is October 23rd. I remember that in 2004.

Peyton Manning makes his big return to Indianapolis tonight. Denver's QB is having perhaps his best season ever after spending the first 14 years of his career with the Colts.

Aaron Nagler joins me, lead NFL analyst for Bleacher Report.

It's good to finally meet you.

AARON NAGLER, LEAD NFL ANALYST, BLEACHER REPORT: Good to meet you.

LEMON: Thank you for coming in.

So let's talk about this controversy sprawling around Manning's big homecoming. The Colts' owner told "USA Today" that he is disappointed the Colts didn't win more than one Super Bowl while Manning was a quarterback. And he held up his one Super Bowl ring and said, you make the playoffs 11 times and you're out in the first round seven out of 11 times, you lose -- you love," excuse me. "To have the Star Wars numbers from Peyton and Marvin and Reggie," then pointing out the ring, he said, "Mostly you love this."

So is Irsay the villain here or is he the -- is this the whole thing, is it being blown out of proportion?

NAGLER: Well, it's -- yes. It has been blown out of proportion because that's what the NFL media does. We love on to latch on to a story and just gobble it all up and pump it up and we love drama.

LEMON: How is that different than any other media?

NAGLER: Well, I mean, it's true.

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Except maybe this is quite life and death like some other real news breaking stuff. But Irsay, you can't fault him for what he said. He didn't say anything that he didn't say standing right next to Peyton Manning when they had their news conference saying they were going to let Manning go.

LEMON: Yes.

NAGLER: This isn't new. You know? The fact that, you know, that Denver's head coach latched on to this and called it a cheap shot, you know, Peyton Manning hasn't touched it publicly.

LEMON: Right.

NAGLER: It'll be interesting to see how he respond in the game tonight.

LEMON: Well, we talk about Jim Irsay because he is not your sort of typical team owner. He tweets a lot. He quotes, what, Pearl Jam. He --

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NAGLER: Right.

LEMON: He's outspoken. I mean, is that the reason why these comments do you think took on a life of their own?

NAGLER: Well, I think it's good that we have an NFL owner who is kind of media friendly.

LEMON: Amen. Right.

NAGLER: So to speak. Somebody who's going to speak his mind, someone who's going to tell it like it is, so to speak. We decry the fact that these guys, they won't talk to us, they won't say anything, and then we they do --

LEMON: Right.

NAGLER: -- and actually give us a little something.

LEMON: Right.

NAGLER: We blow it up out of proportion. We attack him instead of looking at what he said. And if you look at the actual quote, where that interview, later on in the piece, he mentions Bill Polly, the general manager.

LEMON: Right.

NAGLER: Who was really kind of who he was taking a shot at. But that doesn't help us now because Polly is no longer with the Colts. LEMON: Right.

NAGLER: So we make it all about Peyton and Irsay so we can pump up the drama for Sunday night football.

LEMON: That happens with everyone.

NAGLER: Absolutely.

LEMON: That happens in -- when every news story, did you actually hear what I said? Did you actually read the --

NAGLER: Actually read the transcript of what was said? It's a little bit.

LEMON: Context is everything. What kind of reception do you think Manning is going to get when he walks on that field tonight?

NAGLER: I think it's going to be probably unconditional love. I think --

LEMON: Really? From the Colts?

NAGLER: Absolutely. From Colts fans and from players alike. I mean, think about the fact that the building they're going to be playing in probably doesn't get built without Peyton Manning.

LEMON: Without Peyton.

NAGLER: I mean, he is a big reason there is still a team in that town.

LEMON: So this is the stadium that Peyton built?

NAGLER: Absolutely. Absolutely. And Irsay should be thanking him, too. And I think privately he probably does.

LEMON: I hear that Bleacher Report has an interesting what-if segment posted right now about Peyton Manning and the Colts.

NAGLER: Yes. We did a piece imagining what the NFL might look like if the Colts had kept Peyton Manning. Remember, they cut him causing him to hit free agency. We surmised, well, what happened if Manning had stuck around? And we did a fun little video kind of laying out what the NFL landscape would look like, how it will be different. And it was a good time.

LEMON: You care to make a friendly wager here? What do you think?

NAGLER: I'll be rooting for the Colt because everybody loves an underdog. But I think the Broncos are going to win tonight.

LEMON: Do you really?

NAGLER: I do. Yes.

LEMON: Why?

NAGLER: Manning is playing out of this world. The offense is really tough to stop. I think -- I guess I think the Colts have a good chance. They're playing at home and Andrew Luck is no joke. He's no slouch himself. But I think this is Manning's game to lose.

LEMON: I am so behind him. You know why? Because it -- I've been saying this, it gives us -- makes us old guys look good.

NAGLER: There you go. Thirty-seven is old in the NFL. That's kind of scary.

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LEMON: Aaron, thank you.

NAGLER: No problem. Thanks for having me.

LEMON: Good to see you.