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Mall Shooter Found Dead; Standoff Over In Denver; Michelle Knight Speaks; NYPD: Student Fell Into Gap From Roof; Kubiak Suffered Mild Stroke; Christie Hopes for Second Term; Virginia Governor's Race; New York City Mayor's Race

Aired November 5, 2013 - 06:00   ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Your NEW DAY starts right now.

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan and Michaela Pereira.

CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, November 5th, 6:00 in the east. We're following two developing situations right now. Information still coming in, the first one is in New Jersey, a mall shooting unfolding overnight ending just 90 minutes ago. Police confirm a gunman is dead hours after entering the mall just before closing time and opening fire. Workers and shoppers were directly in his path. Some were stuck in hiding for hours.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: And also breaking in Denver, those two people we talked about are now in custody after an hour ago after a tense standoff at a school. Police say the pair broke in overnight and reports they were armed. We are going to go live to Denver for the very latest on that.

But first, let's get right back to the latest on the New Jersey mall shooting. CNN's Poppy Harlow is live at the Garden State Plaza Mall in Paramus, New Jersey. Poppy, police, we know -- understand they just wrapped up the news conference just a short time ago. What's the latest? What do we know?

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Well, the latest is that no one amazingly is injured in this horrifying event that broke out over night. The gunman, a 20-year-old, is dead at this hour. Absolute chaos broke out at the mall behind me when a gunman entered just after 9:00 p.m.; over 400 people locked inside stores for hours. But eventually, they got out safely.

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HARLOW (voice-over): Chaos at a shopping center in New Jersey overnight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We heard four gunshots and everybody was scared. Everybody was panicked. So we took everybody -- we went in the back of the store, locked ourselves in with 13 people in total including me.

HARLOW: Hundreds of police, SWAT, and emergency teams swarmed the South Westfield Garden State Plaza Mall in search of a gunman who authorities believed fired six rounds just before closing time. The suspected gunman, 20-year-old Richard Shoop was discovered dead just after 3:00 a.m., his body found lying in a remote area of the mall. Authorities say he had a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Originally from Washington Township, New Jersey, now living in Teaneck, New Jersey. He's 20 years old. His body was discovered at 3:20 a.m. this morning just about an hour ago with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head area. He himself went to the area where he did this. It was a difficult area of the mall, behind some construction.

HARLOW: No one else was injured in the shooting. Surveillance video showed the gunman aimed at security cameras.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was actually wearing a red and black motorcycle helmet. The visor was actually lifted up so I was actually able to see his face. He was a white male. He was wearing a full leather suit. He wasn't really aiming at anything. He had the gun in his hand aimlessly and he was walking a little bit past the Apple store. He wasn't yelling. He didn't seem angered. He was kind of just walking.

HARLOW: Police say Shoop was carrying a rifle modified to look like an AK-47 stolen from his brother.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It would look like an AK-47, but it is not an AK- 47. It's where you take the handgun and modify it to make it look like something it is not, but it is a lawful gun owned by the brother.

HARLOW: Police say Shoop has no history of mental illness, but say he abused drugs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We do believe that the main motive for what he did tonight was suicide, whether self-inflicted or God forbid suicide by cop, which no one ever wants to see. It looked like that was his motive.

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HARLOW: So the question is at this hour, Chris, what could have motivated this 20-year-old to do this? Police did tell us that they found a note inside the home where he was living. They didn't indicate, as some reports have said, that it was a suicide note. But they said it was a note that led them to believe he would do something like this. So we'll learn more in the coming days on that.

I can also tell you it's very important to note, police say that he had the opportunity to kill other people in the mall and he chose not to. That is why they say the main motive here was suicide. I can also tell you police were tipped off by a family member of the shooter or heard about it on the radio, called police shortly after 10:00 p.m. that led them to him -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Poppy, thank you very much. We're trying to figure out what we can as we move along, some big questions raised by this string of shootings we've seen in the past few months.

Let's bring in Harry Houck. He is a long-time detective with the New York Police Department, still a security consultant. Harry, thanks for joining us this morning. There's a narrative that we see in these situations. This time we seem to have gotten lucky. This guy went in there, wound up taking out only himself.

The first question is when you're working on the police side, how early are you able to get at someone where there are messages of distress? You get a phone call. We think this kid, he's saying he's going to do things, how does it work from the police side about what you can do and when?

HARRY HOUCK, PRESIDENT, HOUCK CONSULTING: Well, basically, if you get a call like that, you're getting a heads up. So usually you have an address of somewhere you can do, track that person down and get at them before something happens. It's basically what might have happened here.

CUOMO: How common is it that people come to the police in advance and say so-and-so have been saying weird things, they struggle with drugs, they're disturbed, they're isolated. How often does that happen?

HOUCK: It doesn't happen often at all. I never had it happen to me at all.

CUOMO: You know, I'm not surprised to hear that. Do you believe that one of the things that we try to learn in these situations is about some kind of culture change of awareness? You know, we do the see something, say something with packages, is that an area we neglect with people's behavior?

HOUCK: Looking at this at first blush, it looks like everybody acted correctly here. You know, that mall had some kind of procedure for a lockdown. That's maybe one of the reasons why nobody was hurt. He didn't shoot at anybody. What happens is the first two minutes of an active shooter incident is the most deadliest, so that's when most of the damage will be conducted by your shooter --

CUOMO: Why?

HOUCK: Because it takes two minutes for a police response, two to three minutes for a police response. If there's an alarm, an alarm went out through the mall and you have to have a specific alarm saying this alarm says active shooter, lockdown. Apparently what some of the people did in this mall was bring their gates down and stay inside their stores. That was a great move.

All right, some people were inside the mall also took cover. That's a great move. There are only three things you can do in an active shooter response, OK. The first one is to escape. The second is to hide and the third is to fight the shooter.

CUOMO: That's good that they brought down the gates. They had procedures in place. It does seem his intentional was specific also. You heard the witnesses saying he could have done things, he didn't. When you look at the response time, two to three minutes, is that as good as it gets? Would it be better to make the harder targets, have more armed security there, would it help?

HOUCK: I think about two or three minutes is about as close as you're going to get to it unless you'll have armed unit strategically placed all over your city. That's something very hard to do and whether or not the citizens want that. Do you want SWAT teams every five or six blocks in case there's an attack?

This is something, you know, it's becoming more and more prevalent. So as a people in the mall and businesses, they should be prepared, have an emergency action plan in the event something like this happens. So if you know how to react, OK, to a situation like this, then there would be a lot less casualties. We're lucky. This guy decided he didn't want to shoot anybody. Was he look for a specific target? I don't know. They record a letter that he allegedly wrote --

CUOMO: Maybe he was looking for someone in particular.

HOUCK: Right, exactly, didn't find that person. All right, decided to leave -- thank God he didn't want to shoot the place up and kill innocent people.

CUOMO: Harry, thank you for the perspective. It's true. We are seeing more of them. Hopefully, we're learning lessons at least about how to keep ourselves safer when they do happen.

BOLDUAN: All right, Harry, stick with us because unfortunately, we have another developing -- breaking situation we want talk about. This one in Colorado where a tense standoff between police and two other people ended just an hour ago, they were believed to have been armed. They broke into a school. Ana Cabrera is in Denver and joining us on the phone. So Ana, a lot of details still trying to come out. What's the latest you know?

ANA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): We do know that these two suspects they have in custody, arrested just within the last hour, are a 15-year-old and 16-year-old boys, two boys who police say broke into the school shortly after 10:00 last night Denver time. And they were carrying what appeared to be rifles. That was according to employees who called police initially to report that this had happened and then was confirmed on surveillance video.

They also had some backpacks with them. Now police again making this arrest an hour ago or so. They're currently trying to talk to these boys to get more information about exactly what they were trying to accomplish. They're in the process of going through the school right now to see if they left anything behind and exactly what it was they had in those backpacks and guns as well.

The area was put on lockdown, reverse 911 calls went out. At this time it's not believed anybody is in injured. Certainly no fatalities that we know of or anything like that, but we do know there was another school that they had tried to break into as well earlier in the evening. They were unsuccessful. It was an elementary school about a mile and a half away. So there are still a lot of questions that police are trying to gather more information from these two suspects.

BOLDUAN: Ana, it might be too early to know, but any word if this is going to impact the school? Are they going to open? I'm sure they're sweeping the school to see if there is anything they need to be concerned about at the moment.

CABRERA: (Inaudible).

BOLDUAN: I think we're having a problem with cell phone connection at the moment. Ana, thank you so much. Harry, I want to bring you back in. A lot of details, they are still investigating what's going on. But when you hear this, 10:00 last night, now we know two juveniles, two young teenagers breaking into a school what with they believe is backpacks and rifles, how do the police approach this?

HOUCK: Well, that kind of worries me a little bit. If they had rifles and if we're able to substantiate that, it tells me one thing that these guys were looking to break into the school, stay there, wait until the kids come in the morning and create an attack in the school. If one of them had a handgun and had backpacks and the backpacks were empty, I'd say they're doing a burglary. The fact they came in with rifles and if we find ammunitions and explosives in those backpacks, it's a lucky day, twice in one day for us.

BOLDUAN: It also shows, clearly, the police took it very seriously, SWAT were on the scene before they had really knew what the situation was.

HOUCK: Sure. Something like this, you get a report two guys with rifles breaking into a school. We're going to go back to the active shooter attack in Connecticut and you see the fact that maybe they decided, listen, let's break into the school. Stay there until everybody gets there and after -- if there's a lockdown, they're already in the school, then they can do the crimes their looking to do.

BOLDUAN: Very, very scary situation. The good news, two good things in one day, these two guys are in custody, arrested, a lot of questions for them.

HOUCK: Right, exactly.

BOLDUAN: Detective, always great to see you. Thank you so much.

HOUCK: Thank you.

BOLDUAN: All right, coming up next hour, we're going to speak to an eyewitness to the mall shooting in New Jersey. He saw the gunman and had to hide for hours. That's coming up just after 7:00 Eastern -- Michaela.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: All right, to our other headlines now. Good morning, everyone. Data sweeps by the NSA will continue at least for the foreseeable future. The Obama administration says it is looking to reign in surveillance practices overseas. "The New York Times" reports the president and his advisers believe right now there is no workable alternative to bulk collection of data.

We're now hearing horrifying details from one of the young women held captive by Ariel Castro in is Cleveland. Michelle Knight tells Dr. Phil she was tied it up and hanged in the air by her hands, feet and neck using an extension cord. She also says Castro would tape her mouth shut with duct tape. Knight, along with Amanda Berry and Gina Dejesus were freed from Castro's home in May.

Details now emerging on how that college student in New York City became wedged in a space between two buildings trapped for a nightmarish 36 hours. Police say 19-year-old Usher Vongtu told them he was walking on the roof in the dark Saturday and didn't see the gap between the buildings and fell. His incredible rescue came Sunday after firefighters cut through a concrete wall to free him.

Houston Texans Coach Gary Kubiak expected to remain in the hospital for another day. Doctors believe Kubiak suffered a mini stroke when he collapsed on the sideline of a half time of the Texans game Sunday night. His condition involved a temporary but reversible loss of function. The doctors say there should be no residual effects. Not clear just how long Kubiak will be away from the team.

Well, the answer to all of your traffic jam prayers could be here, a flying car. The Aeromobile 2.5 is a hybrid vehicle that apparently switches from a car to an airplane. The vehicle maxes out at 99 miles per hour on the road. That's kind of zippy and soars through the skies at speeds of 124 miles per hour. It seats two people. Its maker says it's perfectly capable of handling parallel parking. Sorry, Kate, it's only a prototype.

BOLDUAN: The holidays are right around the corner.

PEREIRA: Just thinking.

BOLDUAN: Can it take off in bumper to bumper traffic? That's what I want to know.

PEREIRA: I don't know what runway it needs.

CUOMO: To be continued.

Let's get to Karen Maginnis. She's in for Indra Petersons. She's got today's forecast. Hi, Karen.

KAREN MAGINNIS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes. They are choosing New York City, Boston and Detroit. It's a good thing it's Election Day today. We have rainfall that's expected to move in, the latter half of the workweek although we start the morning out chilly, not quite as chilly as yesterday noticeably warmer where temperatures are about five to 10 degrees, a little bit warmer than yesterday.

But a fairly swift moving, but vigorous storm system is going to plow across the Midwest, produce quite a bit of snowfall in some areas, could see six inches or eight inches in some of the northern tier states. We have this big dip in the jet stream as it moves towards the east. It's going to move fairly quickly.

Those mild temperatures you'll see for today and especially going into Wednesday, they'll get replaced by cooler, wetter weather by Thursday. New York in Central Park, we saw 46 degrees. That was the temperature that we saw yesterday. We'll make it into the 50s for today, into the 60s coming up for Wednesday. But then we could see a quarter inch to maybe half an inch coming up by Thursday -- back to you guys.

BOLDUAN: All right, Karen, thank you so much.

Coming up next on NEW DAY, it is Election Day and pre-races are drawing a whole lot of attention. New Jersey and Virginia voting for governor, New York choosing a new mayor. We're going to dig into the choice for voters and what it means for the rest of the country coming up.

CUOMO: New allegations of a pro football player. He's been suspended, accused of bullying. Now, we're hearing voicemails he said to have left for a teammate. We take you inside that Dolphins hazing case.

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CUOMO: Welcome back to NEW DAY.

On to our other big story this morning, Election Day. We're following three big races, New Jersey, Virginia and New York City.

In the Garden State, that's Chris Christie, right? He's the governor expected to easily win a second term. But is he running with another office in mind?

Our Election Day coverage begins with Erin McPike. She's in Minden, New Jersey with more.

Good morning, Erin.

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning.

Well, Chris Christie has been reaching out to Democrats to build up a large base of support. Now, his conservative critics say he'll have work to do to patch things up with the far right if he does run for president in a few years, but his message to the national GOP is clear and that is that this is the way to win.

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CROWD: Christie! Christie!

MCPIKE (voice-over): New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is headed for a landslide victory to re-election. Another step on the way to what many say is an inevitable presidential run in 2016.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: America is going to be watching New Jersey. MCPIKE: The latest Quinnipiac University poll shows him doubling his lead over his opponent, State Senator Barbara Buono. The National Democratic Party gave up on her months ago.

CHRISTIE: The whole country is watching. They're dispirited about the way government works. They look at the mess in Washington, D.C.

MCPIKE: Christie is road testing that anti-Washington message as he openly considers what's next for him.

CHRISTIE: I can do this job and also deal with my future. And that's exactly what I will do.

MCPIKE: Next year, Christie will run the Republican Governor's Association, a fund-raising organization other prominent Republican governors have used to develop a national base as they gear up for a presidential bid, like Mitt Romney did.

MITT ROMNEY (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Chris could easily become our nominee and save our party and help get this nation on the right track again.

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MCPIKE: Now, Chris Christie will be casting his vote here at this fire station in Minden, New Jersey, just after 10:00. And we'll bring that to you then -- Kate.

BOLDUAN: All right. Erin, thanks so much.

It's a much tighter race for governor in Virginia where Democrat Terry McAuliffe is facing off against Republican Ken Cuccinelli.

CNN's Chris Lawrence is in McLean, Virginia, with that.

Hey, Chris.

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Kate.

Yes, if you believe the polls that show McAuliffe up by six points, an old friend of Hillary Clinton may be hours away from giving her a big advantage come 2016 but he's going to have to get past a darling of the Tea Party to do it.

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LAWRENCE (voice-over): Virginia's voters face a stark contrast today, socially conservative attorney general versus the liberal former chairman of the Democratic National Committee. And despite the state's slogan, there's no love lost. Ken Cuccinelli and Terry McAuliffe are symbols of a bigger fight over the new health care law.

KEN CUCCINELLI (R), VIRGINIA GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: Tomorrow in Virginia is a referendum on Obamacare.

LAWRENCE: And the conservative movement committed to its demise. TERRY MCAULIFFE (D), VIRGINIA GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: If mainstream Virginians from both parties don't turn out to vote, you're letting the Tea Party decide Virginia's future.

LAWRENCE: A who's who of potential presidential candidates have rallied to the sides of both men.

JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm here because this race matters, well beyond the state of Virginia.

LAWRENCE: A McAuliffe win could give old friend Hillary Clinton a leg up in 2016 in a pivotal swing state won by Obama --

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hello, Virginia!

LAWRENCE: Cuccinelli could prove to other contenders an extremely conservative pitch can't win over a purple state.

LARRY SABATO, UVA CENTER FOR POLITICS: One thing is for sure. If Republicans can't win Virginia back, they are not going to win the White House back.

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LAWRENCE: And that's the big prize. And that's why Virginia matters so much, even for you folks out there who don't live here. Because a lot of candidates would be looking at this race, people like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and seeing what messages worked and what messages don't work in a state that could go red or blue -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, thank you very much for the reporting this morning. We'll be tracking that one. But we'll head to New York City. Why?

Well, for the first time in two dozen years, a Democrat is poised to become the mayor. First time in a dozen years, not two dozens. That would be ridiculous. That would be 24 years.

Deb Feyerick joins us now with more.

Now, this matters, Deb, because, you know, Bloomberg, they changed the law in the city to keep him there. That's how much they wanted them there. But now, time for change.

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. And that's what New Yorkers are going to decide when they head to the polls today. Do they want the legacies of billionaire Mayor Mike Bloomberg to continue or do they want to take it in a different direction?

Let me tell I don't you -- the polls aren't even close.

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BILL DE BLASIO (D), NYC MAYORAL CANDIDATE: After 12 years of Mayor Bloomberg, it's time for a real change in this town.

FEYERICK (voice-over): Bill de Blasio, an unabashed progressive, poised to become the first Democratic mayor elected in New York City in 24 years, in part by promising to raise taxes and to close the gap between the 1 percent and the very poor.

BILL DE BLASIO: People in this town are hurting. Most people, literally, most people are struggling to make ends meet.

FEYERICK: The city's public advocate pulled off a stunning primary upset, running as the most liberal of the candidates. The race to lead America's largest city known more for its circus-like atmosphere than its substance, overshadowed by former Congressman Anthony Weiner's attempt to resurrect his political career.

The other game changer for de Blasio, this pivotal ad, featuring his son, Dante.

DANTE DE BLASIO, BILL DE BLASIO'S SON: Bill de Blasio will be a mayor for every New Yorker, and I'd say that even if he weren't my dad.

FEYERICK: De Blasio's biracial family resonating with voters in a big way, in what is expected to be a landslide victory.

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FEYERICK: Now, Republican candidate Joe Lhota is back by his former tough on crime boss, Rudy Giuliani. He's running ads warning that a de Blasio administration could lead to a jump in violent crime, saying that de Blasio's approach to public safety, including opposition to the NYPD's stop and frisk practice, are in his words, quote, "reckless" -- Chris, Kate.

CUOMO: And he had a big hill to climb here. And Joe Lhota has been fighting a big campaign but it seems like this may be too much to take on.

Twenty-four years, Giuliani and Bloomberg. Bloomberg, they changed the law to keep him longer. Now, they'll be change.

BOLDUAN: There could be a very big sea change against 24 years of administration.

CUOMO: Right.

Deb, thank you very much for the reporting.

We'll take a break now. When we come back on NEW DAY: we're going to go back to New Jersey for the latest on the shooting at the mall there. The suspect is dead. The motive, not clear.

BOLDUAN: And we're also finding out more about what may have led an NFL player to walk away from his team, startling voicemail messages apparently from one of his teammates. We're going to tell you what they said, coming up.

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PEREIRA: Welcome back to NEW DAY. Let's get you up to date on the latest news, including what is breaking in New Jersey. Police say the man suspected of firing shots at a shopping mall is dead. Twenty-year-old Richard Shoop apparently took his own life.

CNN's Poppy Harlow is live at the mall in Paramus with details for us.

Poppy, what can you tell us at this hour?

HARLOW: Good morning to you, Michaela.

Well, as you said, Richard Shoop, 20 years old, lived in this area, burst into the mall behind me just after 9:00 p.m. last night, holding a rifle that police say was altered to look like an AK-47. Authorities tell us he fired six rounds. He ultimately killed himself, a self-inflicted gun wound and was found just after 3:00 a.m. in a remote part of the mall.

Some important things to note, he left a note behind at his home. Police did not describe exactly what was in it but said they led them to believe he was here to commit suicide.