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Dr. Drew
Justin Bieber Busted; Cops: "He was Grabbed By the Genitals"
Aired January 23, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Justin Bieber exclusive. Bombed, busted and booked for drunk driving.
His neighbor is here with us. He wants the kid out of his community, and the country.
Plus, the most frightening video you may ever see. An out-of-control vehicle takes aim at a little boy`s head. We`ll show you what happens next.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening, everybody.
My co-host is Sirius XM`s Jenny Hutt.
And coming up, that boy you saw in the video, the boy who cheated death, you`ve got to see the video to believe it. It gets a lot worse than what you saw there in that little piece.
JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: Yes.
PINSKY: But first up, Justin Bieber, Jenny, busted. Cops in Miami Beach arrested him this morning for drunk driving, resisting arrest, so-called, without violence, driving with a suspended license.
They say he was drag racing in his yellow Lamborghini. I mean, who doesn`t do that?
HUTT: So cool, Dr. Drew. So cool.
PINSKY: And then managed to drop a few F-bombs to the cops. He`s out on $2,500 bail. Take a look.
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JUDGE: Mr. Bieber, you are charged with DUI, alcohol or drugs, resisting without violence, driving with an expired driver`s license.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Red and yellow Ferrari racing -- one of the vehicles, yellow Lamborghini was being driven by Justin Bieber. He had the signs of impairment. He was uncooperative with the officer on the scene.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s a little belligerent, questioning, using some choice word.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What the F are you doing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He failed a field sobriety test. He also made statements to the arresting officer that he consumed alcohol, cannabis, and prescription medication.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look at these mug shots. On the side shots, I think that he looks, I think he looks confused, I think he kind of wants his mom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would talk to him and tell him that your gifts don`t make you worth any more than anybody else.
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PINSKY: Senior editor of "In Touch Weekly", Kim Serafin.
Bring us up to speed, Kim.
KIM SERAFIN, IN TOUCH WEEKLY (via telephone): Yes, well, as you mentioned, of course, we all know by now that Justin Bieber, of course, was arrested on suspicion of DUI, also of resisting arrest without violence. This apparently has something to do with him not putting his hands on the car, and not taking his hands out of his pocket, and then also driving on this expired license. That expired at least six months ago. He hasn`t had a valid driver`s license.
Of course, this started when he was spotted by police drag racing this yellow Lamborghini. When they approached the car, they smelled alcohol. He then used some choice words, why are you stopping me? Why are you doing this? I don`t have any F`ing weapon. Why do you have to search me? Things like that.
PINSKY: Kim, do we have any idea what the so-called prescription medications were that were found in his vehicle? Is there any hint to that? Because that to me is the -- it makes all the difference in the world.
SERAFIN: Yes. Well, you know, of course, he did apparently admit that he had drank some alcohol, smoked some pot and had some prescription medicine.
PINSKY: But what medicine?
SERAFIN: Reports are saying that Xanax or something to that effect.
PINSKY: Xanax over here. OK.
All right. Kim, thanks for the update.
HUTT: Oh, boy.
PINSKY: Joining us, Jillian Barberie, TV personality, Segun Oduolowu, social commentator, Anahita Sedaghatfar, defense attorney, and new to our show, YouTube sensation, Freddie Wong.
Anahita, I`m going to go out to you first. I want to -- you know what I`m going to ask you.
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: I have a bone to pick with you, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Please. Go ahead. Let`s have it. Good defense is a good offense.
SEDAGHATFAR: Always. Always.
PINSKY: I was going to get on your case. Go.
SEDAGHATFAR: OK. So, I saw you on Anderson Cooper`s show just a little while ago and you were blaming the attorneys for Justin Bieber --
PINSKY: I was. I was questioning whether the attorneys ought to take some responsibility for limiting the consequences that might catch his attention.
SEDAGHATFAR: No.
PINSKY: To get him some treatment for this.
SEDAGHATFAR: No, no, no. Dr. Drew, we cannot blame the attorneys. Look - -
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, we can.
SEDAGHATFAR: The defense attorneys are here to do a job. If we didn`t have them, our judicial system would essentially collapse. They`re there to ensure that the Constitution is upheld. So, we didn`t --
PINSKY: Segun, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Segun.
SEDAGHATFAR: No, no. Dr. Drew, who we do blame -- let me finish -- are the adults, are his parents. Where were they? I mean, it`s not secret --
PINSKY: He is an adult. He`s in his 20s.
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, when he was younger. This all started from his childhood.
JILLIAN BARBERIE, TV PERSONALITY: They were making money off of him.
SEDAGHATFAR: Exactly. And he`s the gravy train.
PINSKY: Freddie, I want to hear from Freddie. Freddie has got a big smirk on his face.
FREDDIE WONG, YOUTUBE SENSATION: I love how you`re like the constitutional rights. The dude`s Canadian. He`s not American. You got to send them right back.
Celine Dion, everyone else, we got to send them right back. As far as I`m concerned, he`s overstayed his welcome.
PINSKY: Anahita, is there a chance he could be deported over something like this?
SEDAGHATFAR: I don`t think so, Dr. Drew.
ODUOLOWU: Because he`s making too much money.
SEDAGHATFAR: These aren`t crimes of moral turpitude. These aren`t violent crimes. So, even, assuming he gets convicted of these crimes, I doubt that it`s going to be grounds for deportation. If he continues to get in trouble, if he continues to be convicted of felonies, that`s another thing, but no --
PINSKY: OK. Jillian, according to Freddie, I think you`re in trouble. You might be deported. I`m concerned.
BARBERIE: Did you see what other fellow Canadian Seth Rogen said on Twitter about Justin Bieber? It was pretty harsh.
But, you know, my thought today was, he went from the egging, which is really bad for the person who owns that house but it`s a juvenile thing to do, egg. And I thought maybe ding dong ditch was next and he apparently went right to a DUI. His dad was there to cordon off the streets.
So, you know, daddy is on his payroll. This kid, he has, you know, a multimillionaire. He has yes men all around him. Probably everything is at his disposal and a $2,500 bail is a joke to him.
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, no.
BARBERIE: It is a joke. It`s a joke. It did not get his attention. This is just the beginning of what will be a really bad road for him.
PINSKY: That may be. That`s what concerns me.
HUTT: Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: Jenny, I`m going to play a little bit of the drag race while you`re asking that question. Let`s play that video.
HUTT: OK. So, my question to you, Dr. Drew, is you have kids that are what -- just turned 21, right?
PINSKY: Yes.
HUTT: If they were behaving like total jackasses, wouldn`t you get involve and deal with it? It doesn`t matter that he`s a grownup. He`s a grownup. Wouldn`t you, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: I would ask the judge to please mandate treatment and throw as long a sentence in there as possible for the course of that treatment. And to qualify it, that he has to meet the criteria of the medical director`s discretion before he ever gets into a car or to work again.
Segun?
ODUOLOWU: Well, Dr. Drew, I`ve heard all these people make statements about what they would do. Yet none of them has ever been as famous or as rich as this guy.
So, let`s not judge him by the prism that we are saying, or what we`re looking through.
PINSKY: Understood.
ODUOLOWU: Let me ask you this, Dr. Drew. How come you and the rest of the medical health community have not sat him down? I don`t want to see him do any interviews with talk show host that don`t know the questions to ask.
PINSKY: What?
SEDAGHATFAR: That`s not their obligation, Segun.
ODUOLOWU: No, no, it`s not their obligation. We`re sitting here, talking about this kid that we could help. He`s 19. Most 19-year-olds think they`re invincible. Add, the money -- hold on, add the money and the freedom.
SEDAGHATFAR: You have to want to get help.
ODUOLOWU: No, you may want to, but a 19-year-old, who is obviously --
SEDAGHATFAR: You can`t force him.
ODUOLOWU: -- above his parents, who have his parents on his payroll need someone like Dr. Drew, a medical health expert --
PINSKY: Yes.
ODUOLOWU: -- to come in and sit this kid down.
SEDAGHATFAR: He has to want that.
PINSKY: I agree with Segun.
ODUOLOWU: We have seen this story before and it does not end well.
PINSKY: It does not end well. Segun, here`s the problem, here`s what`s going to happen. Just, you know -- this kid makes tons of money for lots of people. He loves his work. They`re not going to take him off his schedule of appearances.
And they`re going to hire somebody -- my gravest fear is that they`re going to hire somebody like a Conrad Murray to give him special care on the road --
HUTT: Oh, goodness.
PINSKY: -- which would be a disaster.
ODUOLOWU: Dr. Drew, it`s so funny you said that. I was talking to my parents about this very situation and it feels that way. It feels like we are enabling yet another musician to kill themselves. That`s what it --
SEDAGHATFAR: Who is enabling him? Segun, hold on. Who is "we"? I mean, I think you are basically placing the burden on society. We are not the caretakers of every single child star.
At the end of the day, it really goes back to his own parents. I mean, this child didn`t have anyone teaching him right or --
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SEDAGHATFAR: That`s the problem.
PINSKY: Freddie is new to this panel. I want to give him a chance. Go ahead.
WONG: I think you`re wrong. I think we all enable. I don`t think any of us have any -- we don`t care. We`re totally OK with running him like a race horse until he drops dead, until he breaks his leg because that`s what we do.
HUTT: I`m not OK with that, Freddie.
WONG: But we are -- everybody as a collective whole is collectively guilty.
HUTT: No, I disagree with that.
ODUOLOWU: Really?
HUTT: Yes.
ODUOLOWU: Go down the line. River Phoenix, Jimi Hendrix.
HUTT: It doesn`t mean we`re OK with it, Segun.
WONG: You don`t do anything.
ODUOLOWU: We allow this type of thing to happen. We judge but we don`t help. We don`t step in --
BARBERIE: How are we supposed to help?
PINSKY: Let me bring it back to the attorneys. We don`t have laws that allow us to intervene on addiction. People are allowed to use drugs until they kill themselves in the country. They can`t say I`m Napoleon, I`m Jesus. And I want to use crack.
You`re not allowed to do that. And you get put on a psychiatric hold. But you can say I`m going to do heroin, screw you guys, and I`m going to do it as long as I want and you`re within your rights -- not heroin, obviously because it`s illicit. But you could take OxyContin and Vicodin, if you can get your hands on it. That`s the problem. We can`t hold people whose lives are in danger.
ODUOLOWU: Dr. Drew, this is a DUI. Imagine if he had killed another person. Forget that we`re letting him run rampant.
SEDAGHATFAR: Who is "we"? Who is "we"? Why do you keep saying "we"?
ODUOLOWU: Society --
SEDAGHATFAR: Segun, there`s something called individual responsibility.
ODUOLOWU: You just said that the defense attorneys --
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SEDAGHATFAR: There`s something called parental responsibility.
ODUOLOWU: The defense attorneys are doing their job. And they keep getting him off.
SEDAGHATFAR: That`s not true. This is the first time he has been charged.
PINSKY: We`re going to spin like this forever.
Let me bring in a police officer. I have Lieutenant David Thompson from the Los Angeles Sheriff`s Department. He has the latest on the investigation into the alleged egging episode of Bieber`s neighbor`s house.
Lieutenant, can you tell us about that?
This is the first time he has been charged.
LT. DAVID THOMPSON, L.A. SHERIFF`S DEPARTMENT (via telephone): Well, currently the investigation is ongoing. We did obtain a search warrant to secure the videotape from Mr. Bieber`s house. That`s what we were there for, contrary to all the jokes about eggs. And it`s being analyzed and will probably make a determination in the next day or two and have a conversation with the D.A., or take the case to the district attorney, depending on what we have.
PINSKY: Can you say it`s really just about the vandalism or is it also involve -- you may not be able to talk about this -- but whatever it is that you found during the search of the house?
THOMPSON: Well, you mean the video?
PINSKY: No. My understand is that there were substances found in the house and that sort of complicated the entire investigation. And there was an arrest of another guy, but it was in his house. I`m wondering how all those pieces are fitting together.
THOMPSON: There was. You know, the search warrant was very limited to the actual egging incident. So, we were there specifically for the security video and anything else that might backtrack as far as filing a case. The drugs that Lil Zhe (ph) had were pretty much in plain view and he admitted to them being his.
Now, I`ve heard a lot of stories about the place being just littered with drugs and drugs paraphernalia. And that wasn`t the case. I mean, I was there myself. I walked through the entire house. And it was fairly orderly.
And I heard of large caches of marijuana that we just ignored. And again, I was on the scene firsthand and that wasn`t the case. The only drugs we saw in the house were ones that belonged to Lil Zhe and we did take action on that.
PINSKY: OK. Lieutenant, thank you so much for that update.
Jillian, I want to give you last word. Go ahead.
BARBERIE: Me?
PINSKY: Yes.
BARBERIE: Wow, so much to say.
You know, his dad is only 38 years old. I keep thinking here is this kid. He`s so entitled. I feel like he wants this street cred. He wants to be a thug.
So, the egging was one thing. He`s stepping it up to a DUI. He says to the officers, what the F did I do? Well, you were doing 60 in a 30 for one thing.
PINSKY: And, Jillian, I love the way the cops when you hear them talk about sort of smile like thought he was pretty tough, dropping F bombs.
BARBERIE: And then you saw him today at the hearing, all of his tattoos. He just wants to be so bad. I feel like he`s heading down a really --
PINSKY: If the substances are opiates, which we know sizzurp is an opiate, has an opiate compound in it, if the prescription medications are other than Xanax or maybe sizzurp and Xanax, that is a combination that is very dangerous and could end up in a severe place.
So, all right, we`re going to put the behavior under the microscope with the human lie detector. And later, Justin Bieber`s neighbor joins us exclusively with new information on the allegations of egg throwing.
We`ll be right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had the signs of someone that was impaired. He was brought to the police station.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mug shot screams, hey, I`m proud of myself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He smelled of strong odor of alcoholic beverage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since he admitted to doing narcotics, we brought in a drug recognition expert.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you see the video of Justin Bieber leaving Miami- Dade County jail waving to his fans?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He put a lot of people`s lives in danger. It`s unacceptable behavior and he was arrested for it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go. The smiling mug shot, you know, standing on top of the car. Look at me. I`m gangster.
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PINSKY: Jenny and I are back.
Justin Bieber arrested for DUI. Bizarre scene followed his court experience.
HUTT: Yes.
PINSKY: We`re going to bring in the behavior bureau.
Joining us, Janine Driver, human lie detector, president of the Body Language Training Institute and author of "You Can`t Lie to Me," Judy Ho, medical psychologist.
Judy, I want it take a second to say thank you for supporting my wife and my charity, Hillside. It is best treatment center for abandoned and abused kids. And you`ll see. You`ll learn all about it. Thank you for supporting. I really do appreciate it.
JUDY HO, MEDICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: You`re welcome.
PINSKY: Samantha Schacher, host of "Pop Trigger" in the Young Turks Network.
And new to our show, Claire Titelman, actress and comedian.
Claire, this is an interesting day for you to join the group.
CLAIRE TITELMAN, ACTRESS: Oh, yes.
PINSKY: If you like to join the conversation, you can tweet us now @DrDrewHLN, #behaviorbureau.
We have a tweet that just came in for those of you "Breaking Bad" fans. Our dear friend, RJ Mitte, he plays, of course, Walter White`s son in "Breaking Bad". I`m a giant fan of all those guys. One of the nicest kids in entertainment.
And he said, "If I had sat on the roof and waved to the fans after doing something like that, my mom would grab me and yank me in the car so fast."
HUTT: Right. Right.
PINSKY: Let`s have a reaction to that. Jenny, you say yes. That`s what you would have done to your kid?
HUTT: My kid -- first of all, my kids behave like this, they would not see the light of day for months and months and months. Are you kidding me? That`s what`s outrageous to me, that the parents are supporting his endeavor. His father was involved in this drag racing. What?
PINSKY: Claire, as a 19-year-old, I don`t know that moms can have that much influence. Can they?
TITELMAN: No, I mean, the thing is, it`s just -- for me, I`ve also been arrested, you know what I mean?
PINSKY: Well, of course you have. Anybody who looks at you knows immediately that`s a criminal.
TITELMAN: Right?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, POP TRIGGER: Do tell.
TITELMAN: Well, I`ve been arrested and my car fell off a cliff. The great thing was for me, you know, it sucks that everybody is watching him. For me, you know, my parents didn`t know. My car fell off a cliff. I got insurance and bought a new car.
HUTT: Wow!
PINSKY: But I know your story, Claire, after you got arrested under suspicious circumstances, you took action. You made change, right?
TITELMAN: Oh, yes. Totally. But I also didn`t have a billion dollars.
PINSKY: Well, that`s true.
Sam, you want to comment?
SCHACHER: No. I mean, I agree. What`s ridiculous is not only that his dad, especially, isn`t enabling his behavior. Like Jenny just stated, he`s actually engaging in the same type of behavior.
I don`t want to say that Justin is a product of his environment, because he is an adult. He knows that the difference between right and wrong. But it is coupled with the fact of his -- the lack of parenting and the fact that he is a product of his own environment.
PINSKY: Judy, you know, his mom, to me, is actively involved. He`s always been involved. Maybe overly involved.
I don`t want -- I hate to point fingers at the parents in situations like this. This may just be the beginning of drug addiction in a young adult.
HO: Well, Dr. Drew, this is the problem with him, though. He has had to shoulder a lot of the responsibilities in his family. He has been the wage earner, he`s been Mr. Perfect. And guess what? He`s had a really tough career.
Even in his career, he`s boo`d off stage a few times at the Milestone Awards. He was kicked off in Argentinean flag and people boo`d him.
His life is crumbling. We`ve had a lot of instances this past year of him being arrested, marijuana being found.
I don`t think he knows how to deal with it. He does not have the coping skills, because so much of his life, he`s been brought up to be the star of the family and the star of his world. Don`t you think?
PINSKY: It`s certainly an issue. I don`t know. We`ll see. Time will tell what`s the predominant issue here.
But, Janine, I want to bring you in here. I want you to look at Bieber in court today. You`re the human lie detector. What do you see of this young man in court? Contrition? What do you see?
JANINE DRIVER, HUMAN LIE DETECTOR: Right there, Dr. Drew, you see him stick his tongue on the inside of his mouth and rub it on the inside of his cheek. We saw this with Kobe Bryant way back in 2003 when Kobe Bryant was being charged with rape charges in Colorado, constantly Kobe Bryant would do that. That`s what`s called a self touch gesture.
PINSKY: Is that embarrassment?
DRIVER: No, it`s a pacifier.
Think about a baby. Baby uses a pacifier to do what? Comfort themselves.
PINSKY: OK.
DRIVER: So, this is a comforting gesture. It`s called a pacifier.
We also see him leak disgust. This is disgust usually with our nose. It`s very dramatic. This is one of our primal instincts.
Disgust is used, Dr. Drew, as you might imagine, someone cooks something, your wife cooks something, you`re not interested in. It doesn`t smell so good. You do disgust.
PINSKY: I would not even leak disgust.
DRIVER: But with Bieber, it`s very subtle. You`re a smart man. I talked to your smart wife.
Listen, it`s right here, disgust for Bieber is very subtle. His upper lip goes up a little. We see him turn his head. Is it because he`s embarrassed? Is it because he`s disinterested? We see him in internal dialogue.
Oftentimes when people are disgusted with what`s happening, they`ll avert their head, like babies do. They`ll avert away from the food they don`t like. Their head will turn.
So, I think there`s a lot of disgust here, I think disappointment. And at the end of the day, a lot of internal dialogue. I wish that his parents would instill some type of fear. I feel bad -- not a Bieber fan. I don`t even know what song he sings.
TITELMAN: Really?
DRIVER: My heart goes out to him. I don`t.
TITELMAN: He`s actually very talented.
DRIVER: I like country music.
Well, I know he`s talented. I like country music. My mom was from Canada before he passed away --
PINSKY: Country music discussion.
Claire, you stood there in court and had to face a judge. Have you not?
TITELMAN: Yes.
PINSKY: Did you cry? Did you --
SCHACHER: Pacifier action?
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TITELMAN: I mean, I cried at the drop of the hat. I was sobbing and, yes, when you go to court, everyone should be given a pacifier.
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PINSKY: Now, Judy, you see -- let`s look at this mug shot. He`s kind of gleeful. I think that would be -- glee is an emotion that I worry about, particularly in situations that don`t -- an inappropriate glee.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: And I wonder if there`s contempt as a result of that?
HO: Well, there`s this inappropriate affect as you mentioned with him. Also I think he`s watching out for number one, which is his publicity and his celebrity.
SCHACHER: Yes.
HO: He knows the mug shot is going to be everywhere, Dr. Drew. He wants to look awesome. He knows he`s a good looking boy and wants everybody to know it.
SCHACHER: I agree.
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DRIVER: Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Janine?
DRIVER: I have to tell you about that smile real quick. When we smile at an inappropriate time, two reasons. One is called duping delight. Duping delight is aha, I showed you.
We see that with murderers, that killed their parents, who were abusive. Jodi Arias.
Or the other one is embarrassment. I have been on HLN many times with people smiling out of embarrassment. Is he embarrassed? Maybe not. It`s either embarrassment or duping delight because the smile --
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PINSKY: Claire, go ahead.
TITELMAN: I don`t want to brag. When I had my mug shot, he told me it was the best mug shot he had ever seen.
PINSKY: Congratulations.
TITELMAN: When he did my fingerprints, he had to touch my hand and redid them like five times. Anyways, I just want Bieber to know he`s not the most attractive criminal in the room.
PINSKY: Because Claire Titelman is.
Next up here, exclusively from Justin Bieber`s neighbor about what it`s like living near this guy.
HUTT: Paradise.
PINSKY: And later, life or death video was posted on Live Leak and shows a small boy being run over by a car. Oh, it is hard to watch. You don`t want to miss how it ends.
Back after this.
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny, and our behavior bureau, Janine, Judy, Sam and Claire.
I want to share another tweet. The Belieber community is starting to ring in here guys. Here is what they say. "#behaviorbureau, he`s depressed because of people like y`all who bring him down." We`re just bringing him down, guys.
SCHACHER: Come on, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: So, he`s got to go out there and drag race.
Samantha, respond.
SCHACHER: Yes, I have been the recipient of the Bieber fan base for quite a long time because we`ve been continually reporting on the Justin Bieber incident on my show "pop trigger." I am astounded at how loyal they are to him. I`ve had death threats, I`ve been called ugly, I`ve been called the worst things in the book, laced with profanities, just because I say, listen, you can`t treat people this way and he should be held accountable for his actions. Plain and simple.
PINSKY: Simple enough.
Well, let`s welcome to the program exclusively one of Justin Bieber`s California neighbors. We are not going to identify this gentleman.
I wonder, sir, if you could give us your reaction to today`s news.
Do I have him? Oh, we lost you. For goodness sake.
All right. Janine, I wonder if you had, before this whole incident, had seen anything that concerned you in terms of Justin`s insincerity as it is perhaps presented on his face, with his body language.
DRIVER: Well, Dr. Drew, I brought this up with you in the past with the Arias trial. People in positions of power don`t respond to this type of stress and anxiety the way that a normal person might.
What happens is when they are being deceptive or they`re doing acts of just disrespect, that they have a decrease in their cortisol in those moments, in those highs. They decrease in their stress. They have an increase in positive emotion.
Smile on the mug shot makes sense. Why? He`s in position of power, under stress, he`ll smile. And they have an increase in cognitive functions.
So, people of power, whether it`s prestige, whether it`s money, whether it`s fame, the people that are lying to us from doing steroids to throwing eggs at someone`s house and causing damage, you`ll see those smiles. You`ll see someone be real happy like what`s going on? Because they have an increased in positive emotions, decrease in stress. It`s indicative of power.
PINSKY: I`ve got the neighbor back on the line. Sir, I`m going to ask you if have a reaction to today`s news.
BIEBER`S NEIGHBOR: Well, I do. You know, I believe that every life is so precious, Dr. Drew, and especially the lives of kids. And I think that each of us, as adults and as citizens, we have a responsibility to protect kids in our neighborhoods. And not just my neighborhood, not just mine, but every neighborhood, because kids deserve a safe environment where they can play.
Our neighborhood should not be racetracks.
PINSKY: Well, right. My understanding is that your neighborhood, your whole community there has been rather set on edge by some of the antics that have gone on over the last several months.
BIEBER`S NEIGHBOR: We have. You know, my neighbor, Jeff Schwartz -- and I believe he deserves credit and respect for approaching any neighbor he believes is endangering the lives of kids, by driving recklessly.
PINSKY: And what do you think should happen to Justin Bieber? Do you have any sort of -- I mean, as you think about the actions that are being taken, is there something you wish would happen?
BIEBER`S NEIGHBOR: Well, I mean, to me, people in our community, people -- celebrities are just people. We`re not impressed by what people do for a living, or impressed or unimpressed by what type of people they are, what kind of neighbors they are. Whatever happens, that`s up to police and, you know, up to prosecutors.
PINSKY: You know, Judy, this gentleman brings up a really interesting point. And this is the weird thing to me about how celebrities are expected to be different than average people or treated different. Like he said, they are just like the rest of -- if you or I treat a celebrity, it`s not some special diagnostic manual we have to open for celebrities.
They`re the same as the rest of us. But, they have more liabilities in terms of their psychiatric potential than most people. At least my research has shown that.
HO: That`s right, Dr. Drew. And I think part of the issue is that they expect a special treatment, yet most of us, we realize that they`re just human beings, too, and they need to be susceptive to the exact same standards. And I feel like right now, Justin is kind of suffering an identity crisis because he`s had so many people around him, telling him how to behave so he can become the best celebrity.
And he`s acting out against that and everybody is sort of just jumping in and, you know, kind of observing his behavior, but no one is really jumping in to help him and give him assistance or maybe --
PINSKY: Right. That`s right. Jenny, there`s new information from TMZ just in that reported that Bieber told police his mother had given those prescription medications, possibly anti-anxiety medication to him.
HUTT: I mean --
PINSKY: Jenny, go ahead.
HUTT: Yes. Why isn`t he under a doctor`s care?
PINSKY: He may be. He may be. We don`t know. He might be.
HUTT: Just going to what Judy just said. Here`s a thing. There are 19- year-olds and there are 20-year-olds who act stupid and push boundaries and act reckless. But usually, because they`re regular kids, somebody is there to hopefully stop it. I guess with him, maybe because he is so successful, rich, young, and has so much influence, nobody is willing to step in and stop it. It`s very disappointing and that there`s no assistance.
HO (ph): And most of the people who are around him are on his payroll. So if they step in, it might mean their job on the line. Who wants to do that?
PINSKY: Sam.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew -- here`s something that`s really alarming to me, and I`ve been seeing a lot of this, not only with Justin Bieber and his posse. They`ve been out and vocal saying, listen, we don`t do cocaine. Justin has never tried coke. But then, they`ve been elusive to the fact that maybe they`ve dabbled in prescription drugs.
We hear more of this. I see a lot of young kids talk about it openly. They don`t understand that prescription drugs is just as dangerous and addictive as, let`s say, cocaine.
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PINSKY: I beg your pardon, it`s more dangerous.
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PINSKY: My patients die. They die of prescription drug death. They do not die of cocaine death. They do not die of heroin deaths.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: And let`s put another thing on the table. We heard Rob Ford, if you remember many times on this program saying, "I don`t do drugs. I drink a little bit." Alcohol is a drug also. This is a 19-year-old not a 21- year-old. Claire, your thoughts?
TITELMAN: Well, I was just going to say, I mean, I think the complicated thing is that, you know, Xanax helps you sleep and cocaine doesn`t.
PINSKY: He likes to sleep, is that what you`re saying?
TITELMAN: Well, yes. I mean, who doesn`t like to sleep? If you`re not sleeping, you want to sleep.
PINSKY: Yes, but talk about anxiety, Xanax also makes you high and it also becomes addictive and you have to keep using it. It`s rapidly addictive. And why would a young man be taking Xanax? That`s ridiculous.
All right, guys. Thank you, panel. I`m going to go next to our hooked -- our series, "Hooked: Celebrity Narcissism." We`re going to look at Rihanna and what is with all those twitter and Instagram pics. We`ll discuss that. And a reminder, you can find us on Instagram anytime @DrDrewHLN, and we`ll be right back after this.
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PINSKY: Do we give Rihanna a pass because she wasn`t Hannah Montana first?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She has a lot of young fans and she has a lot of booty baring photos.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think if you have talent, you shouldn`t have to get naked unless getting naked is your talent.
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Segun, Freddie, Jillian, and Sam.
And tonight, we`re continuing our week-long series, "Hooked: Celebrity Narcissim." And we`re focusing on stars who become self-preoccupied -- somebody`s phone is ringing -- self-preoccupied and maybe to the point that they manifest significant narcissistic liability and then lose their emphatic concerns for other. That`s where narcissism really crosses over into trouble.
Tonight, it`s Rihanna. Check out some these provocative photos she posted on Instagram from her vacation in Brazil.
HUTT: If my tushy (ph) look like that, I`d pose the same picture.
JILLIAN BARBERIE, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Thank you.
ODUOLOWU: I need more pictures of that.
BARBERIE: And let me tell you, she is an amazing mad talented entertainer. She takes these incredible selfies. If this was on the cover of her CD --
ODUOLOWU: -- awesome.
BARBERIE: Dr. Drew, if this was on the cover of her CD, we`d say, oh, it`s so sexy, but because she has control of her own image and Twitter and Instagram, we suddenly say she`s a narcissist? No, she not.
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PINSKY: Sam.
SCHACHER: OK. Hold on, there has to be a little bit of balance. Sure -- she has a hot butt (ph), hot rocking butt (ph), I get it. But every single photo in the last week or so, dozens of them, are these scantily clad photos of her either topless --
HUTT: She`s on vacation.
SCHACHER: -- or in a bikini. It`s a bit much. In my opinion, Jenny, I think that she`s seeking validation or attention --
ODUOLOWU: No! That is not true, Sam.
BARBERIE: She doesn`t need it.
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SCHACHER: Segun, stop pacifying me. First of all --
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SCHACHER: Hold on. We know a ton of non-celebrities also on Facebook that do this same thing, whether or not it`s a bikini or a side boob photo. We see that. And to me, it just suggests that they want some sort of validation and are lacking with something else --
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PINSKY: Jillian, go! Jillian.
BARBERIE: OK. Sam, why then when Sofia Vergara posts one of thong, everyone goes, oh, she`s a -- she`s hot? Because she takes it lightly and she goes, hey, I look good at 42. I`m going to put it out there because it aint going to last that much longer. I love that attitude. So, why don`t we say that Sofia Vergara is a narcissist --
SCHACHER: Because there`s so many of them. Because there`s too many, Jillian. I agree. Once in a while, yes.
ODUOLOWU: Too many? Too many as a guy looking at this, there`s not too many.
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BARBERIE: Too many for who? Sam, I always agree with you. But too many for who? Maybe for you.
PINSKY: Hang on --
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PINSKY: I think Freddie. It`s too many for Freddie.
WONG: Oh, yes. No, listen, I take scantily clad pictures on my Instagram all the time. Nobody gives me any crap for it.
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WONG: Where are you drawing the line as too many? And also -- is like, at what point is it OK? What if she was just going on like just fully nude, had her own website, you have to pay to get into it, by herself, would we have a problem with that?
SCHACHER: You guys are painting me into a little box. All I`m saying is she looks hot. I get the photos once in a while but a dozen of them in a row is a bit much.
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ODUOLOWU: She`s got to throw a couple of cat photos in there to even it out.
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SCHACHER: That would work for me.
PINSKY: All right. Now, here`s my concern. Now, we remember the violent attack she suffered in 2009 with Chris Brown.
BARBERIE: Yes.
PINSKY: That`s something that, you know, we`re not going to forget. And to me, it suggests a liability. Something is going on with her. So, then when you add that to these pictures -- now she later talked to ABC`s Diane Sawyer about the shame she experienced when she reconciled with Chris Brown. Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why be ashamed?
RIHANNA, SINGER: Because that -- I didn`t want people to think that that`s the kind of person that -- I fell in love with that person. That`s embarrassing. That`s embarrassing that that`s the type of person that I fell in love with. So far in love. So unconditional that I went back.
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PINSKY: So Segun -- go ahead, Jenny. What do you want to say?
HUTT: I just want to say -- isn`t Rihanna`s first profession, wasn`t she a model, you guys?
BARBERIE: She`s so incredible looking.
HUTT: Right.
BARBERIE: She`s gorgeous.
HUTT: In part, OK, but, Dr. Drew, Dr. Drew, she was a model. Then her body and photos of her body are really natural for her. I don`t think this is something about her narcissism.
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PINSKY: What`s the real problem, Freddie?
WONG: The real problem here is that she feels ashamed for falling in love with that. That`s a resultant of her upbringing. That`s not necessarily her fault.
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PINSKY: Hang on. Hang on. The fact, though, that she has insight and is feeling embarrassed and sees this sort of inappropriateness of being that idealizing, it`s a good thing. It suggests she may have had some treatment. It suggests that narcissism isn`t that bad. And so you -- when you -- if there`s even any narcissism here, we`re all speculating.
But you add that to the pictures and then you go, well, she`s insightful, she`s caring, she`s emphatic, how she`s being perceived by other people.
HUTT: And she`s hot.
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PINSKY: I`m taking her off the narcissism list. What I`m saying, Segun, I`m taking her off that list.
ODUOLOWU: Wait a second, I sat here and I listened to everyone be so far off base. This is a woman who was beaten up by her boyfriend and made to feel and look humiliated. The fact that she`s willing to take pictures showing off her beauty and her strength, of how far she`s come, that she can actually do this -- shame on anyone who judges her based of her pictures. She was beaten up. And they took a mug shot of that.
And that is very demeaning for a woman. So, any picture she takes that shows off how beautiful she is, how strong she is, and how she feels about herself, I`ll never knock that. Shame on any of you who --
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PINSKY: Guys, stop. Mics off. Did a rough police search leave a teen with a ruptured -- get this, a ruptured testicle? Dr. Bill Lloyd is here to explain what might have happened to set that up. He`s got a wavos (ph) in his hand, and we`ll explain. We`re back after this.
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Segun, Jillian, and Anahita, and a warning at home, this conversation is intended for mature audience we`re about to have.
Philadelphia police are using a surveillance video, you`re going to see right here in hopes of better understanding of what happened in a bizarre scenario early this month. A 16-year-old on his way to a basketball game with classmates handcuffed after a struggle with police and he`s now claiming that during his pat down, his testicle was ruptured after a female officer, quote, "pulled on it." Here is what he told Fox 29 Philadelphia.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She patted me down again and then I felt her reach and she grabbed my butt and then she grabbed and squeezed again and pulled it down. And that`s when I heard something pop. Like I felt it pop.
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PINSKY: All right. I want to bring in pathologist, Dr. Bill Lloyd. And let me first, Bill, before you talk about what you theorize is going on here, people don`t -- a lot of people don`t understand, you can rupture a testicle, and it`s a pretty easy thing to do if you hit it just right, just like we`re both going to be using eggs here. It just ruptures -- exactly like this. And they will so --
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PINSKY: It`s what happens. And it can be sewn back together and salvaged if it gets urological attention quickly and readily and proper -- nothing, listen, you`d be surprised how many time I`ve seen that. Dr. Lloyd, you`ve seen it a few times, but your theory is something different happened here?
DR. BILL LLOYD, PATHOLOGIST: Yes. Any time we talk about suspected police brutality, we have to tread very carefully. But I don`t think we have enough information yet and I`m somewhat skeptical and having worked in at emergency rooms and seen injuries like this. This is what I know. Anyone who suffers an acute rupture of a testicle is going down and staying down.
PINSKY: In pain.
LLOYD: Now, we understand hours passed between the time of this pat-down by the female police officer and him notifying, I don`t feel well. I think I need to be checked out. If you have an acute ruptured testicle, you`re not only you`re going down, you`re going to become physically ill.
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PINSKY: I`ve seen it, though, just hit it just right, and it`s painful. Make no mistake about it, but it`s not that disabling pain you expect it to be sometimes. Let me ask you this. Do you think that pop was, perhaps, a ruptured cystocele or spermatocele or hematocele or something that was already there in the teste?
LLOYD: Well, that`s a great thought, but there may be a pre-existing condition, a small cyst, a benign birth mark, a small defect, something like a spermatocele like you talked about. He said he heard a pop. And people who have these kinds of injuries, most of the time, it`s the testicle being pushed against the pelvic bones that cause this to happen.
PINSKY: Right.
LLOYD: We have physical defenses. Anyone who comes close to anybody else`s private parts, there are involuntary reflexes that withdraw these --
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PINSKY: Well, Jenny, you should have learned about the cremasteric response before. We described that one to you once before.
HUTT: I know about that, yes.
PINSKY: So, there we go. So, there`s the medical sort of facts about this. Segun, you wanted to ring in.
ODUOLOWU: Yes. Dr. Drew, I`m going to say this and I`m going to say this for African-American people everywhere, and it`s going to go against a lot of what I would normally say and believe in. But I`m going to ask you guys in police situations, don`t run and don`t resist, because you can`t reason with a baton and you can`t outrun a bullet. And I`m pretty sure that these kids stepping off the train in their school gear were probably profiled.
But, you know what? The running made it worse. And all I care about as an African-American is getting home to the people that love me and that I love. And that`s all I want for these kids. I know you want to argue your point. And I know it makes you mad and you feel like you`ve been humiliated and we wish it wasn`t so. But at the time of the stopping --
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ODUOLOWU: At the time of the stopping --
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Anahita.
SEDAGHATFAR: Dr. Drew, Segun, I have to stop you right there when you threw in the, you know, they may have been profiled. Where is the evidence that any of the police officers` actions were racially motivated ? I --
ODUOLOWU: Sixteen Black kids. Sixteen Black kids.
SEDAGHATFAR: I would need more evidence. I would need some more facts. I would like to actually be a little bit wiser and reserve my judgment until more facts come, because all we know
ODUOLOWU: A straight A student. A straight A student --
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SEDAGHATFAR: You`ve never heard of a straight A student committing a crime? We`ve had serial killers --
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SEDAGHATFAR: -- where their IQs were higher than Einstein. Come on! That`s --
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PINSKY: Hang on. Jillian, go ahead.
BARBERIE: Like Segun, I don`t know why, Anahita, I don`t know why the cop stopped these guys in the first place. They were on their way. They got off the train. They were all walking together. What was the point of the cops coming up in the first -- I`ve never been approached by a cop.
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SEDAGHATFAR: I would like to know, do they have probable cause? Was there reasonable suspicion --
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PINSKY: The question I have, Anahita, is this police (ph) in trouble?
ODUOLOWU: I hope so.
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, first, like I said, we need to know what the facts are. If, indeed, this police officer did intentionally grab this boy`s testicle and pull down on it, then I would argue, yes because police officers can only use as much force as is necessary to restrain the individual. And I would like to think there are probably less restrictive ways to control a 16-year-old boy.
BARBERIE: Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: Jillian.
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BARBERIE: Wouldn`t there be evidence like someone -- a doctor such, as yourself, would have examined him and we would have proof that it was ruptured like we`re just saying, oh, he didn`t fall down --
PINSKY: Yes. And that`s what Dr. Lloyd is saying. There was not the kind of pain and --
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BARBERIE: No, but there should be a medical report.
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. Like I would -- one thing that kind of made it sketchy for me was exactly that. You and I talked about this in the green room that if someone`s testicle --
ODUOLOWU: Wait. But can we hear ourselves?
SEDAGHATFAR: -- ruptured, don`t they just fall to the floor and scream --
ODUOLOWU: Anahita, can you hear you guys? You guys are trying to grade different forms of police brutality and say, well, it doesn`t really form police brutality, because he should have fallen sooner. All I`m saying is get home safe.
SEDAGHATFAR: No. No one said that. That`s not fair, Segun. Don`t misinterpret what I said. I said --
ODUOLOWU: That`s exactly what you said.
SEDAGHATFAR: No, I didn`t. Do not misstate --
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PINSKY: I want to give Dr. Lloyd last word. Last word, Dr. Lloyd.
LLOYD: Yes. We don`t have any facts. After Rodney King was beat up, we have photographs and x-rays. We need to see an ultrasound, we need to see a physician statement, a hospital discharge report that actually shows this concrete diagnosis. For now, we have the family`s story.
PINSKY: Next up, video of a car careening over a small boy`s head. It is difficult to watch. You will not believe how it ends. We`ll be right back.
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Segun, Jillian, Anahita, and Dr. Bill Lloyd. And I`ll show you a quick tweet, the panel, about your last conversation. If we can throw it up there? It`s from Angela Phelps (ph). "Feeling really awkward about this discussion. Can we please go back to talking about Bieber, please?"
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PINSKY: @DrDrewHLN.
ODUOLOWU: Yes. I mean, who likes racism?
PINSKY: All right. I don`t think that was what made them awkward, just so you know. Let`s talk about a video, and a warning, it is a graphic video you`re about to see. It was posted on Live Leak. Jenny, have you seen this video yet?
HUTT: I have, Dr. Drew. And it is insane and scary. You tell what happens.
PINSKY: A white car is hit by a black car. And then the mother and child --
(SCREAMING)
PINSKY: Yes. It`s hard to watch. It is very hard to watch. There we go. He is hit and his head is run over. Watch what happens.
HUTT: It`s crazy!
PINSKY: It`s crazy. Watch what happens next. Look at this.
HUTT: How?
PINSKY: They get up and they walk away. Both of them. The young boy shakes it off like nothing. Dr. Lloyd, it`s hard to imagine. Do you have a theory how that happens?
LLOYD: Yes. Before I went to medical school, my end of graduate work was mechanical engineering, and I had a chance to do a lot of work in accident reconstruction. The simple answer is, they both got up because they weren`t hurt by the force of the car. Here`s why. The white car has zero energy. It was park at the moment it was struck. When it was struck, it was driven off the street on to the sidewalk, exuding what little energy it had.
Now, the rear wheels of that car go off the sidewalk. It`s doing a wheelie. So, this kid happens to be under the car at the precise moment that the front end of the car is going up. I don`t think the car actually came in contact with his body. No bruises. No marks. And as you can see, he got up and walked around.
PINSKY: Jillian, are you OK?
BARBERIE: Yes. I`m just so shaken by that. That absolutely makes sense because a car runs over your foot and you -- I mean, this is a little boy`s skull. It`s not even fully formed. That makes absolute sense, but the the video is --
ODUOLOWU: The video is so gruesome. So gruesome.
PINSKY: Anahita, what`s that?
SEDAGHATFAR: I was saying, the video shows something totally different because when I saw it, it looks like the car was totally running over his head, running over his back, and it really made me believe in miracles because I couldn`t believe --
ODUOLOWU: Oh, now you believe in miracles?
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SEDAGHATFAR: He didn`t miss a beat.
ODUOLOWU: Now you believe in miracles.
(LAUGHTER)
SEDAGHATFAR: I don`t know what that means.
PINSKY: We`ll have to make note of that and we`ll have to go on to "Last Call." "Last Call" is next. Thank you, panel.
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PINSKY: It is time for the "Last Call," and it goes to a quick tweet to Jenny. Let`s put it on up there. It is from Living Example. "What`s wrong with her loving her body?" This is back to Rihanna story. "You all are so far left. Instagram is for pictures. Duh. #BehaviorBureau. Thanks, Segun."
I wonder if it`s generational thing here a little bit, too, that we`re sort of falling victim to as thinking that it`s inappropriate to post these pictures.
HUTT: Yes. I don`t think it`s inappropriate for Rihanna to post those pictures. As I said earlier, if that were my body, Dr. Drew, I`d be naked on the Instagram.
PINSKY: Fair enough.
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PINSKY: And as Segun said, he wished there were more.
So, here we go. Thank you all. Thank you, Jenny. Thank you to our panelists. Thank you all for watching. And a quick reminder here, "What Would You Do?" starts right now.
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ANNOUNCER: Hidden cameras on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on "What Would You Do?" on HLN, you hate to eat and run.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guys, we have free lunch.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But they don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`ve got to be kidding me.
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