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Hoffman Dies of Apparent Overdose

Aired February 03, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman. He had an illness, a chronic medical condition, and I have an important message for you about that condition.

Plus, Woody Allen. His daughter claims he sexually assaulted her when she was seven. He denies it. Whom do you believe?

And our series "Hooked: Social Media Stars" continues with the Coca- Cola ad that is dividing a nation.

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening, everyone.

My co-host is attorney and Sirius XM radio host, Jenny Hutt.

Coming up, Woody Allen denies he molested his daughter when she was 7. She says he did. Whom do you believe?

But, first, I`ve got some breaking news. It`s about Philip Seymour Hoffman`s death. We`ve got new information about this apparent heroin overdose that killed him.

Take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By the time police got here they found a number of things. Fifty bags of what they believe to be heroin. He had a syringe stuck in his left arm. Twenty used syringes, several bottles of prescription drugs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hoffman was a man who struggled with addiction. The actor told CBS "60 Minutes" --

STEVE KROFT, CBS NEWS: So this was drugs or alcohol or both?

PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN, ACTOR: Yes, all that stuff. Yes. Anything I could get my hands on.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Treat it like an illness, if it were cancer, we`d be saying he died of cancer. The more we get off the stigma --

PINSKY: Chris, I`m going to go home.

CUOMO: I learned it from you.

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PINSKY: And, Jenny, there we go. Chris Cuomo nailing it for me. He seemed to know a lot about it. I`m going to join him again tomorrow morning to talk about this because more information is out.

For instance, there`s so much to me about this story that confuses me, what people are preoccupied with. For instance, the bags of heroin.

JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: Right.

PINSKY: They haven`t told us yet. Do they mean the street bags? People use five to ten bag of heroin a day. So, what there are 70 bags in his house?

HUTT: Right. But, Dr. Drew, you explained this to me earlier before the show because I asked, is it big bags of heroin? You see they`re minuscule in size.

PINSKY: They`re little bags. Usually, that`s what they`re talking about.

Let`s get the panel together. Joining us, Mark Eiglarsh, attorney at speaktomark.com, Jillian Barberie, TV personality, Michael Catherwood, radio and television host, and my co-host on "Love Line", and Loni Coombs, former prosecutor, author of "Your Perfect and Other Lies Parents Tell".

And joining us, TMZ reporter Dax Holt.

Dax, can you give us any latest -- the latest update.

DAX HOLT, TMZ REPORTER (via telephone): Yes, well, you know, I just heard you talking about the 50 bags of heroin. Here`s the deal, Dr. Drew, it sounded like he was gearing up for a serious heroin binge. I mean, he had the 50 bags of heroin. He had multiple unused needles.

I mean, he did -- it sounds like a pretty big drug exchange.

PINSKY: Dax, to me, that just sounds like he`s set up for the week. I mean, you have to use on a regular basis when you`re a heroin addict. You can`t use and then not use because you detox. Seventy bags -- Shelly Sprague is going to join me in the next block and I`m going to ask her about this. She has a long history with this. I`m going to see if she agrees with me on that.

But, go ahead, Dax. I`m sorry to interrupt you.

HOLT: No. You know, the fact that it does sound like there was a drug exchange done nearby his apartment. What`s interesting is the cops are investigating because there are a couple of witnesses that they saw him exchanging stuff with a couple of guys that had bags on them. So, now, they`re trying to pull the surveillance video from this ATM to see if they can get the main leads to who these guys were, what they were doing, and, whether or not this was a drug exchange.

PINSKY: Thanks, Dax, for that update. That`s interesting.

Loni and Mark, I want to go to you guys. First of all, Loni, it`s not customary in my understanding for them to go after the dealers when somebody dies of heroin addiction. Is it because it is a celebrity, or are they trying to go at the source these days, which is a pretty difficult thing to do?

LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Right. However, this is not unusual. You`re seeing the spotlight now because of the celebrity, but this is something that`s been on the forefront for law enforcement for the last year or so. In fact, there`s a law right now that they`re working on trying to enhance the sentence for these drug dealers who end up killing their clients, so to speak.

Look, what the police are saying is here some of those bags were labeled ace of hearts or ace of spades. This is a specific brand of heroin that law enforcement has been watching for years because it`s not just typical heroin. It`s a lethal mix of heroin and Fentanyl and it is killing people across the United States.

Over a hundred deaths are linking to this. Let me give you some numbers. Since September in Maryland 37 people died from this, in Pennsylvania just in the last month, 20 people, and in Rhode Island in just two weeks in January, 22 people.

So, law enforcement says, look, these are not just typical drug dealers. The people who are manufacturing and distributing this type of heroin knows they`re killing people and we need to do something to stop that.

PINSKY: All right. That explains it.

Dax, TMZ posted a photo of Philip Seymour Hoffman passed out on a plane. He could be sleeping, but you guys are reporting something more.

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HOLT: Well, here`s the thing. Within normal circumstance, you would think, yes, someone passed out on plane. But what we do as we talked to a bunch of people who were there at the airport, who were near him in this plane, and it sounds like he was drinking, got on, passed out within the -- like seconds of sitting down, and then woke up a little bit later.

But it wasn`t just only at the airport. We also have photos of him at a bar earlier in the day and he was -- according to people at the bar, he looked like he was drunk, disheveled, making multiple trips back and forth to the bathroom. People found his behavior very, very strange. And I think it just shows what his life was like leading up to this possible overdose.

PINSKY: Thanks, Dax.

Mike Catherwood, not so strange for somebody that`s addicted. You had a run with this stuff. You agree with me?

MIKE CATHERWOOD, RADIO & TV PERSONALITY: Yes. No, Dr. Drew, much like you, I`m not surprised by any of the findings both in his home and by his behavior surrounding this unfortunate event. I mean, he was a man who has been open about his battles with the disease of addiction and make no mistake, it is in fact a disease.

I understand people who don`t understand the nature of addiction. Really being confused by some of his behavior, how a man who seemingly has so much would sacrifice his life to a drug like heroin. But he was clearly consumed by it. And the level of success by an outsider`s point of view, all the things that someone might have that makes their life look enjoyable really has no correlation or relationship to someone`s need to use drugs and alcohol and if they are, in fact, an addict.

PINSKY: And, Michael, I would also say, let`s not confuse the man and their illness. He was a great man, a wonderful body of work, a great father and he had a terrible illness.

Jillian, I understand you had a question about this?

JILLIAN BARBERIE, TV PERSONALITY: I do. Dr. Drew, you`re the perfect person to ask it. I`m fascinated by the fact that he had 23 years of sobriety.

And I tend to look at people -- you and I were just at a party, Robert Downey Jr. was there. And I looked at him and thought, oh, he`s kicked it. And I`m not -- I don`t understand the addict. They`re never kicking it. They`re always one drink or one needle away.

But, you know, his friend, Kristen Johnson, from "Third Rock of the Sun", she`s also a recovering addict. She wrote a book, a great book called "Guts." And she went to Twitter, and I follow her. I knew Philip in college. They went to school together.

She said, "Sadly, after being sober for so many years, he relapsed. Many people die from this disease and like them, Phil didn`t want to die. He had a great life, he loved his family, he worked hard on getting clean and he loved his friends and he adored and loved his career." And it said, "But addiction doesn`t care about that."

PINSKY: No, it doesn`t care.

CATHERWOOD: If I can say really quick, Jillian, you brought up an excellent point. As someone in recovery myself, there`s obviously very little good that can come from someone like this passing away from addiction. The only -- the only slight benefit is that for other people out there who are battling the disease, it is a very, very humbling reminder of how cunning and how persistent the disease is.

PINSKY: Right.

CATHERWOOD: Regardless of your level of sobriety and how many years you may have. It can get you if you get complacent.

PINSKY: Mark?

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Yes. And to Mike`s point, you know, you think about his three kids who he loved very much. This was a father who really cherished the time with his children. This disease is so insidious. It`s so cunning and baffling that he couldn`t for the love of his children put down the drugs. That shows you how powerless he was over this disease.

PINSKY: It`s a motivational disorder where the usual motivation priorities of life take backseat to the one motivation of using. The thinking is disturbed, the motivation is disturbed, that is the nature of the disease.

And, Jillian, you mentioned Robert Downey Jr., he made the big mistake that celebrities make, before he got sober he tried to go back to work prematurely. He realized he was in trouble. He left work and contemplated he would never return and returned as a sober person with a glorious career.

That`s what I wish for everybody with this condition. You got to take time.

Michael, we would have treated -- would you agree somebody like Philip Seymour Hoffman needed six months to 12 months, again, even with that long- term sobriety, that`s what`s treacherous about people who have long term sobriety. They need to take the time to get well, at least six months. You agree?

CATHERWOOD: Definitely agree, Dr. Drew. With some sobriety under your belt, you develop a sense of arrogance. I`ve been guilty of it myself. You think that you kind of -- you`re not like these other people who are just new to the disease, or just new to dealing with it.

I`ve had my own relapses and I`ve had some sobriety under my belt and I`m guilty of it. Like I said, you start to feel like you don`t have to take it as seriously as other people. It`s unfortunate.

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CATHERWOOD: Often times, it always has to end with death.

BARBERIE: I just had a question for you gentlemen who --

PINSKY: Go ahead.

BARBERIE: I have a question for you guys on both sides of it. Is it true that after you`ve been sober for a long time, and when you do, if you do, hopefully not, go back to your drug of choice, that it escalates at such a level that your body is not used to that --

PINSKY: Yes.

BARBERIE: -- a lot of times it ends up like this because --

PINSKY: Yes, that is -- I`ll talk about that with the behavior bureau.

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Stay with us. I`m going to tell you my thoughts on that because I`ve got a pretty solid theory about that.

Next up, Loni brought up the issue of tainted heroin. Was that what Philip Seymour Hoffman was using?

Later, Woody Allen denies his daughter`s sexual assault claims. Who do you believe?

Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just last year, Hoffman revealed to several news outlets that he checked into a rehab facility last May for prescription drug and heroin use.

PINSKY: He had a medical illness like a malignancy, like a cancer that was going to kill him and it eventually did. That`s true of opiate addiction generally and particularly heroin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It sounds to me like he was out on a run, as addicts on the street would say, binging, loaded up.

PINSKY: I`m stunned that you`re making a news story out of we`re going to track down who sold him this stuff. It`s right outside his house, I guarantee you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This bad batch. It`s Fentanyl tainted heroin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The street supply of heroin has never been more uncertain, I think.

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PINSKY: Back with Jenny.

We`re talking about the Philip Seymour Hoffman death, demise, heroin death.

Let`s bring in the behavior bureau: Samantha Schacher, host of "Pop Trigger" on the Young Turks Network, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, Tiffanie Davis Henry, psychotherapist and HLN contributor, and addiction specialist Shelly Sprague. She was resident technician on "Celebrity Rehab" and has helped me out for years in our clinical work.

If you want to join the conversation, you can tweet us right now @DrDrewHLN, #behaviorbureau.

All right. Shelly -- Shelly, Shelly, Shelly, do you with me people don`t seem to be getting this. What`s your take on this? All those bags of heroin and needles, just set up for the week, right?

SHELLY SPRAGUE, ADDICTION SPECIALIST: Of course, absolutely. When you do these heavy, heavy narcotics, you`re doing $500, $600 a day. Somebody is injecting heroin who has, you know, the money to do it is going to be injecting 10 times a day, 20 times a day possibly.

PINSKY: Remind people your history, Shelly.

SPRAGUE: I`m a recovering heroin addict myself.

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And I know that it seems like an exorbitant amount, however, when you have a tolerance and you`ve been sober for 23 years, your disease is just going to pick up right where you left off. It`s not going backwards. It`s going forwards and it`s going forwards quickly, especially with heroin and intravenous heroin use because your disease is going so fast, it`s multiplying, your tolerance is multiplying and multiplying.

And there -- you can do so much in just a short period of time and you would not die, but you never know. When you`re injecting these things, you never know.

PINSKY: Jenny, you got something?

JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: I do. Well, Dr. Drew, this whole thing about the tainted heroin or the untainted heroin, I am --

PINSKY: Not important, not important.

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PINSKY: Right, not important. I understood that heroin could kill you regardless. In my opinion, not important.

I tell you what`s interesting -- Sam, you got something?

SAMATHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, I have a question for you, Dr. Drew, or Shelly.

I look back, I loved Philip Seymour Hoffman. I`m devastated to lose such an incredible talent. But I look back on all the entertainers that I loved growing up and I feel like the majority of them have died of drug addiction. So, whether it`d be Janis Joplin or Kurt Cobain or Chris Farley, Heath Ledger, the list goes on and on and on.

So, my question is, is there something about these insanely creative, innately talented individuals that are somehow more prone to addiction?

PINSKY: The answer -- the answer is yes. I did the research on that. But, Shelly, I think you`ll agree with me. It`s more about Sam and her co- dependency and her affinity for these people with addiction. Wouldn`t you agree, Shelly?

SCHACHER: But they`re incredible talent.

SPRAGUE: Absolutely.

SCHACHER: Uh-oh.

SPRAGUE: Absolutely, and no one wants to really make sure that they get the appropriate treatment for the appropriate length of time for the severity of their addiction.

PINSKY: That`s right.]

SPRAGUE: They want to go back to work. They want to get back with their life and this is what happens. People need the sort of treatment for six months, 12 months --

PINSKY: Six months, same thing I said to Catherwood. He agreed with that. Shelly, you agree with me on that.

Tiffanie, you`re nodding your head.

Now, let me -- Tiffanie and Judy, I want to set something up for you guys, they found several other meds in his apartment. They found medications that are used for withdrawal, sophisticated withdrawal medications and a psycho stimulant called Vyvanse. He should not be on Vyvanse ever. I don`t know what he was doing with that.

But the withdrawal medications fascinated me. It suggests that he was trying to detox himself or somebody was trying to detox him.

Tiffanie, you agree?

TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, it feels like he was definitely planning ahead. Like with the amount of heroin that he had there, he wasn`t going to be going to the corner or going out and buying heroin every day. He was stacking it up, like you said, for a long binge. And then probably felt as though, which most addicts do, after this hit, I`m going to get off of it. I`m going to detox myself. I`m going to wean myself off of it.

So, it makes sense that he would kind of set himself up in that way. It`s just unfortunate that it happened in the way that it did. And I think also unfortunate, Dr. Drew, that so many people have come forward and said, well, I saw him at Sundance and he looked disheveled, he looked pasty.

I took this picture of him on the plane and he was obviously wasted.

Who didn`t come up to him and say, you know what? Can I help you? Do you want to go to a meeting? Is there anything I can do? Can I call your sponsor?

We`re not hearing those stories, but we`re hearing all these people who say I knew he was using.

PINSKY: That may have happened but, Shelly, you nodded your head. Judy, you shook your head, no.

Shelly, you first -- why were you nodding your head?

SPRAGUE: Because it doesn`t matter what other people think. When you`re that distorted in your mind on these drugs --

PINSKY: Right, I thought so.

SPRAGUE: Someone can tell you right away you need to go right to rehab, and they`re not going to hear you.

PINSKY: Yes. Judy?

JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Dr. Drew, I was just thinking about how prescription drugs is such another entryway into drug addiction because people think it`s safe because it`s prescribed.

So, I think the most recent -- his most recent relapse was with prescription drugs first. I`m not surprised that he had Vyvanse and a bunch of other stimulants around to try to help himself detox out of it, because people with addiction do struggle with that.

You know, from time to time, they say, you know what? This is too much, I need to stop this, but they`re so embarrassed and ashamed about their disease that they will then try to take matters into their own hands and making everything worse. They`re trying to medicate themselves with a part of their brain which is the part that`s not working right now because of the drug use.

So, they need people to step in.

PINSKY: But, Shelly, let me ignite you now about the pills. Go.

SPRAGUE: Oh, every single drug addict I`ve ever seen who gets a prescription from the doctor for whatever ridiculous reason goes through this. It kills people. I am so tired of hearing it. I cannot believe people are still not educated on prescription drugs like OxyContin and Vyvanse and Adderall. These things are controlled substances. I don`t care where you get them, they are controlled substances.

And people who have addiction are going to die from this.

SCHACHER: And, Shelly, there are physicians out there who are doing this for extra pay. I mean, there are people unscrupulous like that.

PINSKY: Listen, it`s not just unscrupulous.

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There`s a controversy about how to treat this. And, Shelly and I said at the sort of ground zero of all this and we`ve been struggling with it for years and years.

Sam, are you getting a clear understanding of all this?

SCHACHER: Yes, I am. But, OK, earlier, Shelly had mentioned that when an addict is using, that they`re not going to want to welcome help. So, what are the people -- because Tiffanie mentioned that we should do something --

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SCHACHER: What do we do?

PINSKY: Like Sam do?

SCHACHER: Go to al-anon.

HENRY: But it is the addict`s responsibility ultimately. When we look at someone like Michael Jackson, yes, we can blame Conrad Murray. We can blame AEG. But Michael Jackson did have some responsibility in this and so did Philip Seymour Hoffman. He was the one that was using.

I feel as though it is our responsibility to check on people, do welfare checks, but at the same time, it`s the addict`s responsibility to say, hey, I need help --

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HO: That`s an issue of our culture. We should all step in because we can`t rely on the individual when they`re (INAUDIBLE) to help themselves.

PINSKY: I would say the one thing I would say, give me the camera here for a second.

You know somebody with addiction -- do not walk on egg shells around them. They know they`re loaded. They -- and if they hit you with a blustery righteous indignation, that`s high comedy. You`re just -- you love them, you`re trying to help them. Yes, don`t walk on egg shells. That`s how people die.

Thank you, panel. Next up, Woody Allen accused by his daughter of sexual assault. He denies it. We`ll get into it. And you tell us whom do you believe.

And later, I was at Howard Stern`s birthday party, so was Jenny, so was Jillian. And tan mom literally almost fell off a fourth level balcony. It was one of the scarier moments of the evening. We will tell you about that and more after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Filmmaker Woody Allen has been accused of an old crime but in a new way that is difficult to dismiss. The accuser is his adopted daughter Dylan Farrow, who is speaking publicly about the allegations he sexually abused her as a child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dylan not only describes the assault, but slams some in Hollywood for turning a blind eye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a woman who reported it at the time. Unfortunately, the authorities didn`t handle the case well. They never do when a prominent celebrity is involved.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Allen`s attorney blamed Mia Farrow, the girl`s mother, for engineering the story. The couple is going through a bitter breakup when the allegations first surfaced. An investigation was done at the time. Allen was never charged.

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PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Mark, Jillian, Mike and Loni.

Woody Allen denying allegations that he sexually assaulted -- well, it says his adopted daughter. I don`t think he ever adopted her --

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PINSKY: It`s getting confusing.

HUTT: No, no, Dylan was his adopted -- Dylan was his adopted daughter. Soon-Yi Previn was not his adopted daughter.

PINSKY: Got it. OK. There we go. And Dylan accused Woody Allen of molesting her. In a blog submitted to "The New York Times". She made these accusations. She claims the abuse began at age 7. She says, quote, "Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother`s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me."

No charges were ever filed against Woody Allen. Investigation found that Dylan`s claims -- and there was a very thorough physician evaluation apparently -- found that the claims at that time were unfounded. Allen`s publicist says, quote, "Experts concluded that there were no credible evidence of molestation, that Dylan Farrow had an inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality. And that Dylan Farrow had likely been coached by her mother Mia Farrow."

Jillian, you`re pissed of all this.

BARBERIE: I am. This is saying to a 7-year-old girl who is now 28, your voice does not matter.

Do you really thing that Mia Farrow who adopted a dozen children would put one up to -- I was molested at 7, I have a 7-year-old daughter, to think you would put a child through that is absolute malarkey.

And why are we so surprised? Here is a man who took disgusting pornographic pictures of his girlfriend`s daughter with her legs spread when she was pretty young. Why are we so -- the people defending him are people who want to be in his movies, that are in his movies, or people making movies about him.

And I just -- I think it`s disgraceful that we don`t -- we never listened to the child back then. And at 28 -- let`s say she did lie at 7, why would she revisit it now at 28?

HUTT: Right. What`s the point --

PINSKY: Who wants to answer that?

EIGLARSH: Well, I`ll jump in. I don`t want the be the object of Jillian`s scorn, but let`s be objective here.

First, no one knows what really happened except for those two, number one. Number two, while statistically -- hold on one second. Don`t hold on. Don`t interrupt me. Let me make something clear.

He may have molested her. I don`t know. But let`s be objective for a second. We don`t know because we weren`t there.

Secondly, there have been people in the history of the criminal justice system and I`ve seen it in the two decades that I`ve there, that lie. For whatever reason, they do.

Third, it`s statistically low that they lie. So there`s a greater chance that this happened, but we don`t know. A prosecutor did find that there was probable cause to make an arrest, but they didn`t make an arrest, not for insufficient evidence but because it was determined it was in the best interests not to put the victim through a trial.

HUTT: Right.

EIGLARSH: So, throw that out there and let everybody make their decision.

PINSKY: That`s not uncommon.

COOMBS: That`s not uncommon, especially with a victim that young. You have to look at is this going to do more damage to her to put her through that than what`s already been done to her.

So, I respect the prosecutor for making that judgment call. But it`s also interesting that the judgment that they put out a statement saying, I do think there`s probable cause here. That`s a rare thing for the prosecutor to do. But he obviously felt strong enough in the evidence and he wanted that statement out there. He said my statement stands as true today as it did then. And I think he`s really saying, look, I believe her. I believe this to be true, but we didn`t prosecute out of concern for her.

PINSKY: Jillian, you still look upset.

HUTT: Yes.

BARBERIE: No, here we go with, they looked at her physically and they didn`t find penetration. OK. A man can put his hands down a little girl`s pants and that can ruin her for life people. Just because he doesn`t penetrate her, he can manipulate her in other ways.

So, that infuriates me as well.

PINSKY: Jillian, you`ve alluded to why you`re so affected by this case. You want to clarify that a little bit for people if you feel comfortable.

BARBERIE: I didn`t even allude to it, I said. I was very honest about it. You know the story behind it.

PINSKY: I do know it.

BARBERIE: I think when you don`t believe -- and when you don`t believe a child it says to them, your voice doesn`t matter. Now that she`s coming out at 28, I think her voice does matter.

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I think it mattered back then. I follow her brother Ronan Farrow on Twitter, he`s quite hysterical. And he`s starting a job at MSNBC and he`s been critical of Hollywood and their treatment of Woody Allen.

So, I say where there`s smoke, there`s fire, and to accuse Mia Farrow of putting her daughter up to this, a seven-year-old, Mia Farrow has adopted and taken in as her own -- these children from all over the world. She is a loving and a wonderful woman.

PINSKY: Michael, Woody`s lawyer says the whole story was made up by a vengeful lover, Mia Farrow. Go ahead.

CATHERWOOD: Well, I just think that no one is going to make light of the fact that this man could be potentially sexual pedophile, essentially. And no one`s going to make light of that. But the truth is that he has never been proven to be guilty of anything. And so --

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CATHERWOOD: Hold on one second. Here`s the challenge with that. The challenge with that is -- and I really feel for these victims. I see it. It`s very difficult. These crimes don`t happen in front of a bus load of nuns. There`s no videotape. It`s very difficult to prove. Imagine the helplessness of a child who is being told by a prosecutor even, listen, he`s going to have a phenomenal attorney and you`re going to be put through the wringer.

This is going to be challenging at best and you may go through some serious consequences as a result, but what kind of message does that send? It`s very difficult for serious victims. I`m not saying she was, I`m just saying for victims in general.

PINSKY: Jenny, last thought.

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CATHERWOOD: I think regardless of what is happening in the legal --

JENNY HUTT, ATTORNEY: Right now, here`s the thing.

PINSKY: Go ahead.

HUTT: He`s in the papers for his movie and for the Golden Globe award that he got. I understand why they`re talking about it now because it`s looking at him and sure he`s artistically brilliant, but he also is probably, in my opinion, a sexual predator. And so, if you`re going to say one thing that he`s super great, artistically, then say the other that he married his almost step-daughter and he might have molested his daughter.

PINSKY: All right. All right. I want to bring in the "Behavior Bureau." Thank you, panel, to sort of help me sort through this Woody Allen scandal.

And later, a super bowl ad that divided our nation, our series "Hooked: Social Media Stars" continues with a look at the controversial commercial. Try to think which one I`m thinking of, and we will get to it. We`re back right after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Woody Allen responding to renewed claims that he molested his adopted daughter, Dylan Farrow. Allen calls the accusations, quote, "untrue and disgraceful."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Details, the very, very clear details are very tough to ignore.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s putting his thumb in her mouth, his head on her naked lap. I mean, that is consistent with what we know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Denying his adopted daughter Dylan`s detailed description of an alleged encounter more than 20 years ago when she was just seven years old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think she`s very credible. Number one, she`s not trying to sell anything, not a book, not a movie, she has not sued him.

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PINSKY: Back with Jenny Hutt. We`re discussing Dylan Farrow, the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and Woody Allen. Dylan has publicly accused Woody Allen of sexually assaulting her when she was just seven.

Jenny, here`s a tweet, I want to read before the "Behavior Bureau" comes in here. "Moms believe their child. He, in turn, married his adopted daughter. Anyone else would be arrested or ostracized." There`s so much confusion swirling around this case. He didn`t marry his adopted daughter, right?

HUTT: No. he married his girlfriend`s adopted daughter, but she was 18 maybe when they started having an intimate relationship, Dr. Drew, which frankly is kind of creepy.

PINSKY: I`m just thinking about Manhattan, the movie about the character relates to a 14-year-old.

HUTT: Well, yes!

PINSKY: And you know, Mariel Hemingway (ph), somebody that I know well and I`ve interview her, she did not feel he was in any way like the character, which is kind of -- I mean, she was -- I want to bring in our "Behavior Bureau," Sam, Judy, Tiffanie, and Leeann Tweeden. Tiffanie, there is such a thing as distorted memories, but it is really treacherous to accuse somebody of that, right?

TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I think so. And I think the fact that she`s bringing it up again at this time is very interesting. If Mia had, indeed, implanted these memories or told her what to say at this time, at this point, 20 years later, I think this young lady would have came out and said, you know what, my mom put me up to this. I want to say for the record, this didn`t happen.

That`s not the case. I really don`t feel like her mom would have implanted these types of things in her mind. I think that at this point, she is pissed. He got that lifetime achievement award at Golden Globes. And she`s like this guys -- if we`re going to look at his lifetime, let`s look at all of it, and let me tell you about the guy that I know that did these things to me, and he doesn`t deserve the award.

PINSKY: I believe Leeann has an alternative point of view.

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I mean, look, it`s he said/she said. You know, child molestation to me is one of the worst things you can do. I mean, a guy goes to prison for molesting a child, you can have the most hard core killers in there and they will take that guy out first in prison.

So, let`s get that straight. It`s the worst thing that can happen to a child. But he was -- you know, they look into it. They never prosecuted him. They didn`t -- you know, he never went to jail for it. They said they didn`t find any evidence. I`m not saying that it happened.

PINSKY: You`re uncomfortable. You`re uncomfortable with the accusation.

TWEEDEN: There was a lot of people saying that the mom, Mia, was telling her these things.

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PINSKY: It`s uncomfortable to say you`re uncomfortable with it. But Sam, you were very harsh on Woody Allen and then you`ve got uncomfortable again. What was that all about?

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Exactly. No. I -- initially, I witnessed all of the back and forth on Twitter. There`s a lot of heated exchanges right after the Golden Globes, and people were either supportive of Woody Allen or with Mia Farrow and her daughter, Dylan. Well, I didn`t know what to think. I read this open letter. I was outraged.

I, too, wanted to protect Dylan Farrow. I, too, wanted to make sure that Woody Allen paid for his crimes, rots in jail, then I spent the majority of today researching the case. And, I`m with Leeann. I, all of a sudden, see all this evidence that could lend to Woody Allen being unfairly and unjustly persecuted because they didn`t find any evidence.

So, it`s tough. You don`t even want to go there because you don`t want to re-victimize the victim, but --

PINSKY: That`s right. You don`t want to call into questions other victims. That`s why I shudder to say --

TWEEDEN: None of us will ever know the truth.

PINSKY: Well, that`s true of so many of these situations. Judy, settle the score, help us.

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, you know, here`s the problem. This is why it`s suspicious, because the first allegations came out when they were in the middle of a custody battle, Mia and woody Allen.

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HO: And Woody Allen had, you know, already just got into a relationship with Soon-Yi which does not speak well for his moral character. And so, that was the time that most of the times these false allegations come out is when there is a custody battle and that can happen. When this happened, she was only six years old. Now, she`s in her 20. She`s 28 years old, and she`s coming back out, but they`ve clearly been raised in a household where they dislike Woody Allen.

They all have Mia`s last name. They comment publicly about how they don`t like Woody Allen. So, that`s tough. You know, when they see Woody Allen getting this acclaim, they`re probably upset and they want to come out with something. So, I see the rationale there. But, at the same time, we know that a lot of female victims don`t come forward because people don`t trust them. They tell them to shut up and tell them it didn`t happen. And so, this is why it`s a delicate issue.

PINSKY: This is so important. Please, just make this appeal with anyone out there who has been or is suffering these kinds of abuses --

HUTT: Speak up.

PINSKY: You will be heard. Please. This is an extraordinary situation. Do not think that in any way this would cast into doubt whatever your accusations are. Please, everybody, speak up. Tell somebody. You didn`t cause this. It`s not your fault. Who`s saying but?

HUTT: I`m just going to say, Dr. Drew, I think that what adds to this is that Woody Allen is this nebbishy, nerdy man. So, people look at him and they think he can`t be a predator, but a predator doesn`t look like anything.

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HO: That`s part of the problem. It`s not like in the movies.

PINSKY: Thank you, panel.

Tan mom made a scene at Howard Stern`s birthday party this weekend. Jillian and Jenny and I, we thought this was it for tan mom, and we have pictures. I think we have a piece of video, too.

And later, Super Bowl super controversy, the soda commercial that seems to be enraging a good part of our country. We have our series, "Hooked: Social Media Stars." They will be with us. Back after this.

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PATRICIA KRENTCIL, "TAN MOM": I don`t drink. Occasionally, I might have a glass of wine.

PINSKY: Patricia, to my eye, you are intoxicated. And let`s just be honest about it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And also, Dr. Drew, your producers know that she was sick and on cold medication. You know that.

PINSKY: If we`re going to be real here, let`s be real. Let`s not blame things on cold medicine. Let`s stop it. Stop it. Let`s stop with the cold medicine. Let`s stop with I`m just wild. Let`s talk about what`s real here.

Look how fantastic you look. You ready to be honest this time?

KRENTCIL: Yes. Alcohol is a disease and I have it. And every single day, I`m grateful that I`m here.

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PINSKY: Back with Jenny and Leeann, Jillian, and Sam. Looked pretty good the last time I talked to tan mom, she was sober, by her description and yet wasn`t exactly going to 12-step meetings as best I could tell. And things, of course, naturally have recurred.

Last weekend, at Howard Stern`s birthday bash, there she is, dial the clock back. She`s right back where she started from, falling on the red carpet. Jillian, you were right there. You saw it happen. You have a photo as well. She fell on top of Rosie O`Donnell. What happened?

BARBERIE: OK. So, Dr. Drew, only a Howard Stern birthday party would have the likes of Robert Downey Jr., Barbara Walters, Larry King, Joanne Rivers, Harvey Weinstein, and tan mom.

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BARBERIE: And not necessarily in that order and Dave Grohl and Slash and David Spade, the list goes on. But there she was. I was hosting the red carpet for Howard and Sirius. And she came down the carpet with the great Sal Governale, that all of you Stern fans know out there. Sal and Richard make great phony phone calls, and she was his date for the night. And Sal walked towards me.

Sal and I were exchanging a conversation, she went down. And I said, "Sal, what`s she doing?" And he said, "I don`t know. We have an issue with her shoes. We`re not sure." She took her shoes off. She said, "They`re killing me." Then I did an interview. I`ve done many interviews. I`m not quite sure what the exchange was. It was something. I don`t know. Then she got into the party, was on a balcony.

HUTT: Uh-huh.

BARBERIE: All I know was John Fogerty was playing and then the police came, and she was -- Howard interviewed her from the balcony and many people thought she was going to take a tumble.

HUTT: It looked like she was going to tumble.

PINSKY: Yes. Jenny, you thought for sure she was going to fall --

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HUTT: Yes.

PINSKY: Like a third balcony up, too, and she was wasted up there, teetering at the edge. And then she got escorted by police and this was caught on tape by Instagram user Feldman says. Take a look at this. Here she is getting escorted off. She did not look good. Sam, what have you heard about this?

SCHACHER: Well, Dr. Drew, for one, I`m heartbroken when I hear about tan mom, because her upbringing was so traumatic. The way she was beat, the way her face was disfigured from being beat, the way she was kept in a well. So, I have so much empathy and compassion for her, first. But unfortunately, I`m not surprised when she was on the show last time, she said to you that she did not believe in AA.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: And she also said to you that she didn`t even know how many days that she was sober. And you said right there on national television that you were concerned for her.

PINSKY: That`s what we call a tell. Leeann, you had something to say?

TWEEDEN: Well, no, Dr. Drew, I was watching all those past clips of you, and I love that you get real tough with these people because, you know, I`m sorry, I`ve taken cough syrup and I don`t fall down on the red carpet and take off my shoes at inappropriate times and exposing my crotch area.

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PINSKY: That`s only when you`re doing the E and drinking. That kind of thing, right?

TWEEDEN: Of course, because that`s all what I`m about. The problem is I think that, you know -- I think she`s trying to get help because I think she realizes that certain sober points in her life that she has a problem. I think she`s also narcissistic, because she can`t help -- she loves the attention and we`re giving it to her, obviously. And she loves going to the red carpet and everybody looking at her and it`s a train wreck.

PINSKY: OK. Next up, the controversial Super Bowl ad. What do our social media stars think? A reminder, you can find us anytime on Instagram @DrDrewHLN. Social media stars coming up after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello.

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PINSKY: We`re back with Jenny and Leeann and Jillian and our series, "Hooked: Social Media Stars" continues. Joining us, YouTube sensations, Connor Franta and JC Caylen. You guys are going to help us, and my Twitter gentlemen blew up today with the rocking the blazers. You both have blazers, so I imagine --

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CONNOR FRANTA, @CONNORFRANTA: Blazers are so strong, Drew.

PINSKY: I appreciate it.

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PINSKY: We`re going to talk about a Coca-Cola ad that celebrated our multicultural heritage and nation. And apparently, a controversy has arisen since the Super Bowl. Let`s play the tape and talk about it. After the commercial aired, hashtags like speak American and FCoke began trending on Twitter. Things cliff like who else is infuriated with Coca-Cola and its multilingual mockery of commercial #SuperBowl #SpeakAmerican.

The national anthem was being sung in different or different languages. J.C., what is this all about? This can`t be fueled by young people, could it?

JC CAYLEN, @JCCAYLEN: I don`t think so. Not young people. Young people are more easy going with all of this, I guess.

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PINSKY: Did you send out any tweets? Have you responded to it in anyway on social media yourself?

CAYLEN: No, not me, no. I enjoyed the commercial.

PINSKY: Yes, me, too. In fact, my daughter commented and she`s roughly your guys` age. And she said it`s not multicultural enough. It`s like we haven`t honored that enough in our heritage. They seem sort of -- it seems sort of superficial to glorify as though we`ve been that way all along. What do you say, Connor?

FRANTA: No. I think -- I love the commercial. I don`t understand why people are giving it so much heat. I think it`s ridiculous. It preaches how diverse America is. It shows that really well. And I don`t see a problem with that.

PINSKY: But Leeann, you feel otherwise, you understand.

TWEEDEN: Well, I understand how people feel, because this is a perfectly Americana patriotic song that people feel very strong about. It was written in English. It was written back in the 1800s.

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TWEEDEN: And I can see where people find it to, you know, the one thing that people want to keep is their history and the background and the song was written in English. So, people get offended by it. But I say this, what if people are in Sochi and you win a gold medal and you`re standing on top of the podium and our national anthem is sung in French, German --

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PINSKY: It`s "America the Beautiful," though, to be fair.

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TWEEDEN: That`s how people responded to it. That`s how people responded to it.

PINSKY: Jillian.

BARBERIE: #tolerance, #meltingpot. You know, one of best friends is born in Israel and lives in a (INAUDIBLE). My other best friend is Persian from Iran and is a Muslim and my third best friend is from Mexico City. I love multi-culturals. Let`s have diversity. It`s not infringing. I know Leeann, you and I both -- my ex-husband is a marine sniper. Yours I know is in the air force.

There is a different mindset, I think. They feel it`s not being patriotic. Well, you know, America is a land of many immigrants. I`m an immigrant. I`m very happy to live in this great country.

PINSKY: That`s what your husbands are fighting for. That`s what they`re out there for -- Connor, you`re nodding your head.

FRANTA: I am nodding my head. I agree. I agree totally. I think the diversity is what makes America beautiful and that`s the whole point of the commercial.

PINSKY: JC.

FRANTA: Because it shows how beautiful America is.

CAYLEN: Yes.

PINSKY: Agreed?

CAYLEN: Yes. Oh, yes. I do definitely agree.

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CAYLEN: I believe that commercial shows like all of us as more of like a unity and I think it`s beautiful. I thought it was a beautiful commercial. I think by adding the languages, it kind of showed us how, you know, not everyone in America is White male. There`s different cultures that can be combined and --

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PINSKY: We`ll leaved at that, guys. Got to go to the "Last Call." Be right back.

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PINSKY: Our "Last Call" goes to JC and Connor whom you just saw there, YouTube stars and on tour at digitour.com. You can check it out there.

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PINSKY: Digitour. Digitour.com. Thank you, Jenny, and "What Would You Do?" starts right now.

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