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Mother Killed During Call to Cops; Home Intrusion Caught on Tape; Discussion over Police Tasering Disruptive Man; Bear Attack in Florida
Aired April 16, 2014 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, 911 murder. A mom is killed while begging for protection for 13 minutes from her own husband who`s high on drugs.
911 OPERATOR: All we have is the screaming in the background.
PINSKY: The behavior bureau talks it out.
Plus, the sleeper creeper. A home invader enters the room of a child. We`ll show you what happens next.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening.
My co-host is Samantha Schacher.
Coming up, the so-called sleeper creeper. What does this burglar, I guess he is, want with that baby? It is really scary moment there.
But first, a frantic 911 call made by a mother of three. Husband was hallucinating allegedly after eating a cannabis cookie. Sam, I don`t know how much cannabis you have to eat to get that hallucinatory. We`ll talk about it.
But while she was on the phone, cops say he shot her in the head. Take a look at this.
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911 OPERATOR: Report of a domestic violence in progress.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kristine Kirk (ph) initially called 911 to report that her husband was hallucinating.
911 OPERATOR: Reporting party versus her husband has been smoking marijuana.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Richard Kirk ate edible marijuana and was hallucinating.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Talking about the end of the world and saying he wanted her to shoot him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It took police 13 minute to get here. And by the time they did, they were too late.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But while Kristine was on the phone with 911, she said her husband had grabbed the gun. She started to screen and a gunshot was heard. But Kristine`s voice was never heard again.
POLICE: Need an ambulance code central. Party down. We`re going to need homicide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to sources, one of the couple`s three children witnessed all of it.
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PINSKY: Jeez, it`s unbelievable.
Joining us, Leeann Tweeden, social commentator, host of Tomboys podcast on Black Talk Radio, Vanessa Barnett, social commentator, host of hiphollywood.com, Loni Coombs, former prosecutor, author of "You`re Perfect and Other Lies Parents Tell."
Here is what the wife told the 911 operator about this man`s behavior, he was hallucinating, scaring the kids, reasonably so, talk about the end of the world, and telling her to shoot him.
Leeann, your reaction?
LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: You know, it`s so tragic, Dr. Drew. I mean, being a new mom, myself, I can`t imagine having a child, one of them seeing -- witnessing their father killed their mother.
But what I want to know is, in the tape you just played, it said he was smoking medical marijuana. What I want to know is, I don`t spoke pot. So, I don`t know. Do they lace pot with a PCP or something that could make him hallucinate like that?
PINSKY: No, no.
Vanessa, you`re saying -- what are you saying, Vanessa?
VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: I would say, absolutely, I`ve seen it time and time again where they lace joints with things you can`t even imagine.
PINSKY: Yes, you can roll in a PCP and they`re called sherms, wet cigarette. There`s all kinds of ways for people adding stuff, cocoa puffs, they add cocaine to it. But I heard he was eating cannabis.
SAM SCHACHER, CO-HOST: He was.
BARNETT: You can mix things in when you`re eating it as well. That`s the risk you take when you`re a drug user. You don`t know what the effects are going to be. Unfortunately, this is the worst-case scenario. But that`s what happens when you take drugs. You don`t know the reaction your body is going to have.
PINSKY: That`s right. Edible cannabis is very hard to control the amount you get. With smoked, you get rapid effects.
TWEEDEN: Yes, but does pot ever do that, no matter how much you eat?
PINSKY: The answer is, I`m going to bring an expert here in a second, Leeann. But the answer is yes. People don`t realize, a high, high dose of cannabis is hallucinatory and some people it can actually precipitate psychosis. Now, it`s rare but it happens, like any substance, as Vanessa was saying, there can be untoward effects.
Loni, you`re trying to weigh in.
LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, and, Dr. Drew, especially in places like Denver now where it is legal. You`re going to be having these first- time users, inexperienced users who don`t know their own ability to handle this drug. They`re going to try it out and might have tragic consequences like this on their first time even because they don`t know how much they can take in or how much their body will respond to it.
So, it`s a very dangerous situation even though everyone assumes marijuana is harmless. It`s not. It is a drug. It alters your perceptions and your judgment.
PINSKY: Ever eat a pot brownie?
SCHACHER: Oh, wow, way to put me on the spot there, Dr. Drew.
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PINSKY: Just thought I`d ask.
SCHACHER: Listen, yes, I have. I`ve had -- I think you touched on something earlier on, you don`t know the quantity.
PINSKY: Because it`s slow to come on. You can take a lot of it very easily.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, I was supposed to take a little piece but it was so damn good I ended up nearly eating the entire bar and it takes so -- it takes a while until it finally hits you.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: And when it did, it was the worst. I hated it. I only did it once. I will never do it again.
I was paranoid. I didn`t hallucinate. I wasn`t violent. But I was so paranoid and I was comatose on the couch. Don`t recommend it. Do not.
PINSKY: So, Loni, only once, but you maybe have a defense case after the show. Set you up, because California, it`s not legal, unfortunately. Here we go.
COOMBS: Right. But in these places where it is legal, it`s going to be interesting because this is kind of a new situation. Are people going to use this kind of diminished capacity type defense? Kind of like the Ambien cases we see, where people go on Ambien, which is a legally prescribed drug and they end up acting out and sometimes killing people.
PINSKY: Vanessa, you say you`re shaking your head. What if it would have brought any other hallucinogen, LSD, a big dose?
BARNETT: I don`t care what it is. The disclaimer is, it`s a drug. I don`t care -- oh, it`s my first time, I only took little bit, I didn`t know what it was going to do.
That`s what the drug is, don`t be an idiot and take drugs when you have three kids at home and a wife and don`t know if you`re going to walk in the door and just take a nap, or you`re going to walk in the door and blow somebody`s head off? It`s not fair. That defense B.S.
PINSKY: I want to bring in -- hang on, Leeann -- I want to bring in on the phone, Kevin Sabet. He`s former senior drug policy adviser for the Obama administration. He`s author of "Reefer Sanity: Seven Great Myths About Cannabis, About Marijuana."
Kevin, one of the myths, I wonder, I forget your specific myths. I bet one of them is that it can`t cause psychiatric symptoms.
KEVIN SABET, "REEFER SANITY" AUTHOR (via telephone): That`s right. Thanks for having me on. The issue is, there`s actually 450,000 emergency room admissions every year, hospitalizations due to marijuana.
And the reason people don`t realize that and that`s so surprising is people don`t get today`s marijuana is totally not your Woodstock weed. OK? It is five to 20 times stronger. Now with waxes, you can get 90 percent THC, and it is a huge problem sending people to the E.R.
We`re actually going it release report on Friday with Patrick Kennedy. He`s going to brief administration officials talking about just what the huge increase in pediatric exposure to marijuana ever since legalization in Colorado, troubling.
PINSKY: So, again, just to restate this, it`s unusual, but certainly not unheard of for cannabis, particularly --
SABET: Of course. Everyone who tries it every day, it`s not going to -- the chances aren`t, you know, the majority that this is going to happen. The issue is, it`s possible. And people don`t realize that. They think this is just your harmless buzz you get from your college roommate.
It`s not. It`s genetically modified. Talk about a GMO product. I mean, high THC. It`s in all kinds of candies and cookies. So, there`s no way a 5-year-old can tell a difference between a pot cookie let alone a 50-year- old.
So, there are a lot of issues with legalization people don`t think for --
SCHACHER: Hey, Kevin, I have a question for you. Is an edible worse than just smoke a joint?
PINSKY: You know what? Kevin, let me answer that. It`s only worse in a sense that you can`t really control the dosing and takes a long time to --
SCHACHER: It takes longer.
PINSKY: Once it comes on, it stays on a lot longer. The smoke, people can control the dosing a lot better.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: When you eat it, you can get a huge dose.
SABET: You`re exactly right.
PINSKY: The huge dose can last for a long time.
SABET: But it masks also the harmfulness. People think, oh, chocolate chip cookie, what`s the big deal? Muffin, blueberry muffin.
In reality, it would be a high amount of THC you`re ingesting all at once. You heard what happened last week with the 19-year-old kid who fell off a balcony after eating an edible cookie and died. He did not have any alcohol or any other drug in his system.
So, we`re seeing the body count already with Colorado.
PINSKY: All right. Guys, thank you, Kevin. Thank you, panel.
What else could explain this extreme behavior? I`m going to analyze it with the behavior bureau.
And later, the sleeper creeper. What he was doing in a toddler`s bedroom at 5:00 in the morning? It`s not his family house. He`s a yet unidentified burglar and he has a bizarre way of stealing, too, by the way. Ands then leaving behind what he steals. You`ll understand more when we get back.
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911 OPERATOR: Reporting party versus her husband who has been smoking marijuana. Advises they do keep a handgun in the house but it`s not in anybody`s possession.
The wife on an open line saying that a male had a gun. All we have is the screaming in the background.
POLICE: Need the ambulance code central. Party down. We`re going to need homicide.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam.
The bogart, she is not sure being heard of chocolate with cannabis, that she used only once.\
But we`re talking about the man charged with -- kidding aside.
SCHACHER: It was only once. It was only once.
PINSKY: Serious story.
SCHACHER: Oh.
PINSKY: Man shot his wife after eating a cannabis cookie allegedly. And we`re talking about whether or not that was sufficient to cause this crazy behavior. Let`s get to the behavior bureau. Didn`t make Sam do that.
Dr. Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, Kerstin Haglund, former Miss America, founder of Kirsten Haglund Foundation, and Jennifer Keitt, radio host and life coach.
Judy, let`s break this down for people. Kevin was giving us data about the potential effects of cannabis. I think you and I would say this guy must have had major mental illness also and the cannabis probably precipitated that like a manic episode or some kind of psychotic illness, no?
JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right, Dr. Drew. I mean, yes, technically cannabis can be a hallucinogen. But that doesn`t usually happen.
So, when it does happen, it`s usually because the person has an underlying mental illness and having that marijuana in the system triggered an episode, triggered a psychosis, triggered a hallucination.
PINSKY: And we don`t know some -- there`s a tweet next to your head there, put it back up maybe full screen. It says, "I have a friend who triggered schizophrenia." It has been reported it triggers schizophrenia. What we don`t know is, does it trigger it in somebody who`s predisposed? Or can it trigger (INAUDIBLE), kind of interesting spelling of schizophrenia there. That`s what we`re talking about.
I`m not saying it`s schizophrenic this guy had, but it was a psychotic episode.
Jennifer, do you agree with this?
JENNIFER KEITT, RADIO HOST: Well, I do agree it`s a psychotic issue. Absolutely. I think, speaking to a bigger issue to me, coping mechanisms. This happened at 9:30 at night.
You`re talking about a suburban family. They come home. Is marijuana the way you unwind? That`s what I`m really kind of concerned about --
PINSKY: I don`t. Sam does, but I don`t.
SCHACHER: Excuse me.
KEITT: It`s not a snapping episode. I mean, you don`t come home and start smoking a joint. I mean, that`s not the way to cope.
And so, I really -- my heart bleeds for this family. But it speaks to the bigger issue of how do we deal with everyday stress with our life stressors and what`s going on in our lives?
PINSKY: I want to be clear. We`ve used alcohol in similar manners throughout the history of this country.
KEITT: Absolutely we do.
PINSKY: And I -- we can point a finger at that, or cigarettes, the same thing as well.
Kirsten, what do you say?
KIRSTEN HAGLUND, FORMER MISS AMERICA: Well, you know, I think marijuana, what we`re fighting, people in the behavioral treatment world have said, if you legalize marijuana, you know, it is a drug. Contrary to popular opinion, it can be at high doses very addictive and it can very dangerous.
You know, we`ve been nervous about this. But the thing is, is that we have to fight the perception especially among youth in this country that marijuana is harmless, that it`s cool to get stoned with your friends and it`s not really a big deal.
You know, as we see, this is going to be an issue. We have to be very careful of these things. People don`t know how much marijuana they`re getting, and whether or not this person, this man had a mental illness before, this is the danger of what can happen, especially when there`s a gun in the home and children present that you have to be aware that this is going to happen and we need to loser focus and bring more attention to it.
PINSKY: All right. Let me have a shot here on the camera, guys, yes.
Listen, I don`t like the idea of there being good drugs and bad drugs. For sure, what Kirsten is absolutely Young people using substances, I don`t care what the substance is, it`s not a good thing. It`s going to be a problem.
The fact some are legal and some are illegal, doesn`t matter. These things have effect, whether it`s pills or whether it`s alcohol, whether it`s pot, it will have an effect on the developing brain. We`ve got to get real about that.
Whether something`s illegal or legal, I don`t really care. We just have to understand how people -- if people in this country want something to be legal, they should have that. But then let`s talk realistically about what happens and what the risks are.
Listen, alcohol, a drug that has a horrible effect on this country, alcohol is number one. There`s no doubt about it.
Judy, you wanted to say something?
HO: Yes, I was doing to add to the fact when you legalize something, it does take that barrier away of it being something that`s taboo. Of course, in Colorado where it`s legal, it`s a new gateway drug like alcohol is a gateway drug for most of the other states, right?
SCHACHER: Pills are, we talked about, right?
PINSKY: Pills are much more series problem, guys. You want to talk about what`s serious, right now, it`s the pill problem. What`s up, Sam?
SCHACHER: I want to ask Judy a question.
Dr. Judy, these poor children, not only did they lose their mom, but they lost their mom on the account of their father`s actions. And now their father`s in jail. So, what is going to happen to them psychologically? The aftermath of all that?
PINSKY: Oh, boy.
HO: Well, Sam, that`s such a great question and so sad for these individuals. Yes, I understand, justice needs to happen, and that`s why the father`s in jail. But when both parents are taken away, that`s what the most traumatizing to these children, right?
SCHACHER: Right.
HO: So these are going to be children who are losing that attachment with their parents. They actually even witnessed some of this. So that`s going to be some post-traumatic stress disorder in the making. I`m very worried about them.
Another thing I wanted to say about the Colorado police is that there was a study at the end of 2012 and their response time is a little bit slow. It`s been, like, two minutes delayed off of the average, national average for 911 responses.
PINSKY: That`s a concern.
You guys, I got to go to the next story. Hang on here.
Next up, another outrageous mom story. She holds a child on her lap while leading police on a high-speed chase. There she goes with a baby in her lap. No seat belt. Oh, get the baby out of the back seat and put her right in the lap. Nice.
And later, a bear attacks a woman in her own home, all caught on tape. You will hear it, after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dashcam video shows Aubrey Coy (ph) pulling over for a state trooper. Police say her 5-year-old daughter was in the passenger seat. But a couple minutes later she takes off. You can see the trooper trying to shut off her car.
Then watch as Coy pulls that child into her lap.
Police say the chase got up to 75 miles per hour and lasted five or six miles. You can see one tire blow and come off its rim. Two others flat when the car finally stopped after hitting stop sticks. Then the video shows Coy trying to run away with her daughter, fighting police while they try to arrest her.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam. Police say the woman in that viral video had just kidnapped her own daughter, picking her up from a supervised visit with the girl`s grandmother.
Listen to what she tells the judge during her video arraignment.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wanted to go to Oak Lawn because I feel like I`m dreaming or something when I have no idea how I got here.
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PINSKY: Oak Lawn is a hospital, by the way. She`s charged with eight counts including child abuse, possession of cocaine.
I`ve got Leeann, Vanessa, Loni all back with us.
Sam, this woman has multiple arrests, right? You`ve got more of the story?
SCHACHER: Yes, I have her court documents. This is not the first time she`s had a run-in with the law. She`s had convictions in Indiana for meth, cocaine possession, drunk driving, resisting arrest, speeding. In fact, just last week, she was pulled over for allegedly not wearing her seat belt.
PINSKY: You know, panel, I`m concerned that we are sort of clouding with that last topic we had -- the story about someone who is using a large amount of a drug and has a psychotic episode and a woman with severe addiction that`s having recurrent problems and not taking treatment, not responding to treatment -- versus somebody who goes home at night and has a glass of wine and smokes a joint or something.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: Those are different. I don`t want to cloud these issues. Understand what I`m saying?
Vanessa, you`re hard on people who use substances. But people in this country use them when they go home at night a lot. And they`re not necessarily drug addicts. I`m not saying it`s a healthy thing, but I don`t want to cloud these issues.
BARNETT: You don`t want to cloud the issues, but you can`t deny the fact that there is an underlying theme. Drugs are bad. It`s an obvious thing. This lady has a lot of issues.
But, Dr. Drew, does this even remind you of someone else? Britney Spears - - she had a psychotic break and she had her baby on her lap driving at all reckless speeds and doing something that`s just not a good idea. Blames it on the paparazzi.
PINSKY: Unfortunately, I don`t think she was psychotic when she had the baby on her lap.
BARNETT: But she did have a psychotic break.
PINSKY: She did have a psychotic episode, apparently allegedly using substances.
But, Leeann, you get what I`m talking about there. I don`t want people to go, I`m not going to listen to you guys because everybody knows this is not a big deal.
There`s a difference between this chick, who is driving, psychotic, recurrent episodes of addiction, with her kid at 75 miles an hour versus somebody who has a glass of wine at night.
SCHACHER: Right.
TWEEDEN: Well, I think you`re talking about people that can handle their glass of wine and relax.
PINSKY: Well, wait a minute, that suggests you`re talking about somebody who`s stronger than somebody else which is not right either. These people have a condition that makes it such that it triggers something and we have to be realistic about that. That`s all I`m saying.
TWEEDEN: Well, no, I think you`re right. I think some people are stronger and some people are able to say one is my limit and not drink one, and then have the whole bottle then do crazy things.
But this woman not only needs her license taken away, she needs her mom card taken away. How many times is she going to do something, taking all these different drugs and still have her child? Obviously she was able to see her child with her mom watching, but her mom turned away for five minutes and she stole her mom`s car and then did this with the child.
I mean, you saw her at the end. The woman was insane. She was crazy, running from the cops, holding on to the child, think about that poor child and the future of that kid.
That kid has to be completely messed up.
PINSKY: She doesn`t have to be. She doesn`t have to be. I`ve seen --
TWEEDEN: What do you mean? You don`t think she`s going to be messed up?
PINSKY: I`ve seen horrible drug addicts get boo recovery and the children end up resilient and OK. They get recovery.
But, Loni, you want to weigh.
COOMBS: Well, you know, children are amazingly resilient. And there`s a lot of kids who parents who have drug abuse problems and they end up being very smart and wise and productive children. They`re end up being much more mature because they end up having to parent their own parent. So --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sad.
COOMBS: In this situation, it`s very interesting -- if you watch that video go on, she continues to hold on to that daughter for a long time as the police is struggling. She`s so focused, so desperate to be able to be with this daughter that`s obviously been taken away from her by the courts because of her prior issues.
It`s surprising the court allowed her to have supervision with the grandmother. What can the grandmother do? But, obviously, she does need help. Her parenting issues. The drug part is another issue. She says in her arraignment, I need help, I need to go to a hospital. I don`t know what I`m doing here.
PINSKY: Right. It all seems like a dream to her.
Vanessa, last word.
BARNETT: That messed up. I think that`s a cop-out. It feels like a dream. She knows she has issues. She knows she`s not dreaming.
Now, I will say, as a mother, it angers me. But as a mother, the only part of that video where I almost teared up is seeing her hold on so desperately to that child. Obviously, there`s a custody issue there, something bigger happening here.
If anyone tried to take my child, I think I will hold on like that, too.
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SCHACHER: Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: Sam?
SCHACHER: If this woman goes into treatment, she becomes clean.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: She is perfectly acceptable to be a great mom.
PINSKY: Yes, she could be a great parent.
SCHACHER: That will happen, could happen.
PINSKY: She`ll be a different person if she gets into sobriety and her parenting skill and style may be completely reconstituted.
What you`re seeing is somebody whose brain is not working right. She has an illness. It`s a mental illness, a brain disorder. She is not herself at all. And I will tell you, ladies on the panel, that the -- that my stimulant addicts, when they`re way into it, will often say they feel like they`re in a dream.
So, that`s an -- particularly with meth. Not uncommon thing for them to say at all.
SCHACHER: I hope she gets up.
PISNKY: Next up, sleeper creeper. How would you like to wake up knowing this guy was hanging around your child`s crib at 5:00 in the morning? Guys on Twitter going crazy with this one.
And later, taser not enough to bring down this guy. We`ll show you how this ends. It really does not go well at all.
Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s really gutsy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As the family of three sleeps, an intruder sneaks around. He shines the flashlight throughout the room and even on the sleeping child.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was infuriated, saw him walking back and forth in my baby`s room.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At one point, the two make eye contact. And then the little boy goes back to sleep.
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PINSKY: What a violation. Sam and I are back. We`re talking about the sleeper creeper. This so-called, he`s a burglar, basically, sneaking around a nursery while a child`s sleeping. He got away. He did take something. He got away with $60, Sam. $60.
SCHACHER: That`s a lot. That`s worth it.
PINSKY: And a laptop. But then went to the neighbor`s house to rob that place. And left the computer and the wallet in that home. Bring in a behavior bureau. Judy, Kirsten, and Jennifer. Jennifer, parents on Facebook are saying this is their worst nightmare to be violated in this way with children in jeopardy. It just seems awful.
KEITT: It is absolutely. My heart just, like, oh my god, I could not believe it. But, you know, looking at his behavior, Dr. Drew, I kind of wonder, he looks so comfortable going around kind of curious. I`m kind of wondering, is he in the neighborhood, is he familiar with this area? Was this a dare? Maybe for him? He just seems so casual to be a burglar. I don`t -- it`s unbelievable to me.
PINSKY: Yeah.
KEITT: Absolutely unbelievable.
PINSKY: Kirsten, we`re just getting to know you. Are you a mom?
HAGLUND: No, I`m not. Married, but no children.
PINSKY: OK, so, but you can imagine. You can imagine what .
HAGLUND: Still terrifying.
PINSKY: Yeah, unbelievable.
HAGLUND: Oh, my goodness. Absolutely. And just the intrusion of someone being in your home, when you`re sleeping and you are not even finding out about it until later. But my question is, if they were so - you know, they have the pretense of security with the cameras and the surveillance, but the house alarm wasn`t turned on and the, you know, the first floor window was open, unlocked. You know, I think this is just a good reminder for all of us to be very careful, make sure you do those little common sense things. Thank goodness that baby is OK. And good for the sheriff`s department for posting that video online. They`ve done this a lot. If you go through their YouTube channel to look for that teenager walking around.
PINSKY: Judy, what do you think is up for that kid? We`ll find out. Judy, what do you think that kid is up to?
HO: Well, Dr. Drew, I wanted to go back to something that Jennifer was saying, which is that he`s so casual, he seems so calm. And guess what, a lot of kids, adults, who have criminality, who have anti-social tendencies, they have low physiological arousal. In these types of stressful situations where everybody else would be freaking out, they`re kind of calm walking around, like their heart rate is not even raised. And that`s why it`s scary and that`s why polygraphs and they used to give those lie detectors, they don`t really work. Because the ones who are really criminals passed every time.
PINSKY: Yes.
HAGLUND: And he`s a teenager? He is 18 years old.
HO: I see the criminality.
PINSKY: Yeah, she raises something -- you hear what she said?
SCHACHER: Yeah.
PINSKY: That these were people - people think that like people that rage or people that are criminals have high heart rate, high blood pressure. No, they have low pulse.
SCHACHER: That makes it even creepier.
PINSKY: It`s creepier.
SCHACHER: And more eerie.
PINSKY: And they get high when they`re - like people that rage, road rage on the freeway, those people are high from that experience and their pulse is, like, 50.
SCHACHER: Meaning - what do you mean high?
PINSKY: They literally get an emotional high from it, like they get an endorphin surge. Judy is saying - People don`t realize that. I actually did an experiment with this guy, the one who was a road rager, who went out took his pulse, it went down when he was raging.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: It went down - and that`s a complicated story. I`ll be giving a lecture at USC next week about this .
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SCHACHER: Maybe I should attend now.
PINSKY: But the dad says the boy woke up and then went back to sleep. Because he thought it was the dad, himself. It`s a good thing they didn`t realize it was the stranger. This kid could have been traumatized as well. My question, though, I almost hate to ask this question because I have a feeling that if there had been guns in the home, people might make the case this is -- I`m going to ask Kirsten this one. I don`t know if you`re pro- gun or against gun. But I have a feeling if there were guns in the home, it could have gone very bad.
HAGLUND: Well, right. And then - and a big question is whether or not those guns are locked in a safe, something like that where only the owner of the home will have access to that protection to defend the home. In case of an intruder. You know, but whenever you introduce a firearm, you have to be careful in this situation. You never know. But he didn`t seem like, you know, I mean, he seemed like a first timer. You know, pretty inexperienced. So, just wandering around with a flashlight.
KEITT: I agree.
HAGLUND: Yes, so, you know, in that case, you know, everyone has the right to defend themselves, but of course, a safe probably would be a better option, especially in this case.
SCHACHER: Thank god this guy had the surveillance footage.
PINSKY: Yeah.
SCHACHER: I mean, maybe he would have never found out.
PINSKY: They would have never known. They would have never known.
All right, next up, I`ve got a taser tragedy we`re going to look at. What happens when one tase isn`t enough to bring down an agitated huge gentleman? And later, if you have got questions about tonight`s show, tweet us at drdrewhln#drdrew`s queues. I`ll actually take your questions live on the air. Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Several of the eight employees on duty at Freddy`s Steakburgers recorded the confrontation between two veteran Phoenix police officers and a man out of control. That man, 38-year-old Ed Caruth (ph), was at one point cooperating and on the ground, but watch just as the officers were about to cuff him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your hands behind your back, now.
Do it. Do it.
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PINSKY: Off he goes. Back with co-host Samantha Schacher. That 38-year- old man was tased a second time while they were attempting to subdue him in the parking lot. He then showed signs of what they called medical distress. I don`t know what they`re talking about when they say that. Medical distress. I imagine short of breath, loss of consciousness, and he later died at the hospital.
Bring back Leeann, Vanessa, and joining the panel, Kaleb Nation. His new website launches today. Millionhitssecrets.com. There`s more to this story. Give us a back story.
SCHACHER: There is. First of all, a restaurant employee phoned 911 because they described the man acting strangely. They said he was mumbling. He barricaded himself in the restroom, turned on all the faucets, and purposely flooded the restroom. He comes out, he starts damaging the countertops. Then he approaches to go inside the kitchen. One of the employees pulls out a knife, so then he leaves the kitchen, yes, and then finally the first responders, they show up. They call up backup because they`re describing him as delirious, and then the footage we just saw, then they spill in after that moment into the parking lot, where he shows the signs of distress, and then as you stated, was taken to the hospital, as he died. Sad.
PINSKY: The responding officer suggested prescription or illegal drugs had been involved. It`s really hard to tell what we`re looking at here, whether this is, again, another manic episode. Here`s what the Phoenix police department says. Unknown at this time why the suspect was at the business and the cause for his behavior has not been determined.
Can I show you guys the other -- the Caked McDonald`s lady who was also acting equally strangely? There she is. Look at her. She goes in, becomes violent, and tears the place apart. This woman was bipolar-manic. She was having a manic episode. She doesn`t have clothes on. Throwing clothes off is a manic thing, but some people on certain drugs, like PCP, do that too. This guy may have just been manic, he may be on drugs. People were concerned he might have been using steroids. He looked kind of jacked.
SCHACHER: How was he able to resist the tasting over and over and over again?
PINSKY: People get so jacked up when they`re manic, they become superhuman. I`ve seen crazy stuff happen. I`ve seen people jump through metal, like, bars. Crazy, crazy stuff I`ve seen.
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PINSKY: Yeah, they become kind of superhuman. Go ahead.
TWEEDEN: I remember growing up in DC, and the guy was on PCP, and the cops had to shoot him 38 times before he went to the ground. I couldn`t believe he was so crazy and his body was so full of drugs.
PINSKY: That`s PCP, even worse, because they`re disassociated when they`re in that state. You can`t leap to any conclusions about this. Kaleb, you have any thoughts about this?
KALEB NATION: Dr. Drew, it`s very, very sad. Sad when people die, sad about addiction. I don`t have sympathy for this guy at all.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do.
NATION: I used to live in the area. I used to live in that place in Arizona. There are four schools within five minutes of that place. He was a personal danger to every single student, every single child in that area just because he couldn`t find a way to control himself. I know addiction is bad. I know it is, but what we should really be focusing on are the officers.
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PINSKY: Vanessa, I don`t know that this is drugs. I can`t say for sure it is. I showed you the footage of McDonald`s lady. That was pure mental illness in that case. You tell me why it`s a danger.
BARNETT: Mental illness, drugs, why it`s a bigger danger? Because of those police officers. That`s how you serve and protect me? This one guy beats up both of them, they tase him several times. They still can`t subdue him. They had him on the ground. And you send one of the cops is, like, 50. The other guy was 43. You send your oldest people in the field to take care of this guy, you know, it`s bizarre and --
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BARNETT: -- did a better job of fending him off.
PINSKY: Leeann, what are you saying?
TWEEDEN: Wait, hold on, do you want him to be shot with a gun? Tasing is nonlethal.
BARNETT: I want them to do their job.
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TWEEDEN: They were trying to do their job. What are you talking about? They were trying to do their job. They were giving him verbal commands. They were giving him verbal commands.
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BARNETT: If the taser is not working, I need something else. My life is in danger in this restaurant.
TWEEDEN: They gave him two tasers.
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PINSKY: Hold on, ladies. Stop. Stop. Sam. Let`s not forget, this guy died.
SCHACHER: He did die.
PINSKY: There`s a guy that had some form of, in my estimation, mental illness with or without drugs and alcohol. I don`t know. And he was handled in such a way, so rough. I know Vanessa wanted him stopped so nobody else gets hurt. These guys are trying to do their job. I understand. Ultimately a guy dies here.
SCHACHER: And we`re watching him.
PINSKY: We have everybody filming it which is crazy these days.
SCHACHER: Two of the employees were filming it. It`s insane.
TWEEDEN: That was a fast food restaurant. There were kids. There were high school aged kids. What were they going to do? That`s the first thing they do. They`re all going to record it.
BARNETT: The guy in the restaurant actually did a better job of fending him off than the police did. He showed him the knife and he went the other direction.
TWEEDEN: The police tried to tase him.
BARNETT: That`s my exact point. They tried to tase him. Nothing happened. When you`re tasing somebody three, four, five times and he`s still whooping your butt like this video shows you, I fear for my life.
TWEEDEN: What should they have done?
BARNETT: Whatever it takes, I`m not a police officer. If I`m that girl with the camera with the hat, save my life. Don`t let him go berserk and you`re still tasing him. That`s not worth it.
TWEEDEN: So you`re okay with them shooting him with a gun instead?
BARNETT: If he`s going to kill me?
PINSKY: Kaleb, Kaleb. Kaleb, give me that look. That`s how I`m feeling right now. Your patented look. What is that? Your face. Yes, that`s how I feel about this whole story. And my panel, as a matter of fact.
Thank you, guys, I`ve got to go to my next story. A mom is mauled by a bear, lives to tell, in her own garage. She recorded the entire thing. You`ll hear it.
Reminder, you can find us any time on Instagram, @drdrewhln. Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Tell me exactly what happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Came in screaming. She said a bear attacked her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she awake?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s awake.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she breathing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s breathing. She`s just traumatized. She`s breathing and she`s bleeding hard.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the animal?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Off in the woods. They were in the garage. There was three of them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. Is there any serious bleeding?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a lot of serious bleeding, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What part of the body was bitten?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It looks like the face.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her face?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yep.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam. The 45-year-old woman was bitten in the head, arms, legs. Released from the hospital the next day. And she reportedly saw as many as five bears in and around her garage. She says she was ambushed by one. Then attempt - that bear attempted to drag her into the woods before she was able to free herself. And Sam, guess what?
SCHACHER: What?
PINSKY: Florida. I know you`re shocked.
SCHACHER: Not surprised. Nope.
PINSKY: Before today, I didn`t know there were bears in Florida.
SCHACHER: Right, me, too. But, of course, in Florida, the bears are getting into trouble, too.
PINSKY: Are you suggesting they`re high? Is that what you`re suggesting?
SCHACHER: I just had a tweet suggesting .
PINSKY: What did it say?
SCHACHER: I had a tweet. I can`t pull it up, but there was a tweet - somebody had just tweeted in to @drdrewhln, perhaps the bear is high on pot, too.
PINSKY: Again, it wouldn`t be the pot to make the bear like that. Those bears would be sitting out on the coach. Leeann, Vanessa, Kaleb, still with us. Vanessa, I`ll let you have this one.
BARNETT: Well, I think it`s pretty obvious. These bears are pissed off. Like we were just encroaching on their whole situation. But what was even more disturbing, is I actually read an article today that told the residents if you`re approached by a black bear, quote, stand your ground. Only in Florida are they telling folks to stand your ground .
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BARNETT: Against a black bear. Are they kidding me? That`s ridiculous.
PINKSY: Kaleb, you got to make some sort of YouTube about this.
NATION: Oh, my gosh. This is ridiculous. There`s so much stuff for me to say about this. The thing about this, this whole thing, I did a lot of research in this area, and it`s a new development that was put in in a place that is known for having these bear problems. And a lot of this stuff that`s going on there, these are problems that are caused by residents that are actually feeding these bears.
SCHACHER: Exactly. Exactly.
NATION: And trying to turn them into pets. They have nicknames for the bears.
SCHACHER: Yeah.
NATION: If you like bears and you feed a bear, you`re giving that bear a death certificate because it will come after other people. And that`s not safe for your community.
SCHACHER: Exactly.
PINSKY: So, I`ve got Leeann and Sam on the bear`s side, right? Is that what you .
TWEEDEN: Yes, I mean look, we`re encroaching on their land. When I lived in Colorado, we had a mountain lion problem because we were building up into the mountain and they had no more land to find their food. OK?
PINSKY: Yeah.
TWEEDEN: So, they were going to come and kill your dogs in your backyard.
PINSKY: Right.
TWEEDEN: And try to come through your trash. Bears, if you know, if anybody out there is, you know, likes to go camping like my husband and I do, you have to put your food in a sack and hang it up from a tree away from where you`re sleeping at night because bears will come and they will find the food and, yes, they will bite you, they will maul you, they will kill you.
PINSKY: A little known fact about southern California --
TWEEDEN: That`s what they do.
PINSKY: That`s what they do. I`m not happy about it, I must say, Leeann. OK, that`s what the bears do. But the little known fact about Los Angeles, is a lot of us live around wildlife here in this - I mean this is not like New York City. Our house, we have bobcats, deer, raccoons.
SCHACHER: Bear? You got bear?
PINSKY: Bear came once.
SCHACHER: Really?
PINSKY: Bear actually pooped in our backyard.
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PINSKY: He actually did. But where do you live?
SCHACHER: I`m in Hollywood.
PINSKY: So, in the city? In the city?
SCHACHER: Yeah, I`m here.
PINSKY: Where do you - if you go up the hill, you have even mountain lions.
SCHACHER: I`ve seen a coyote in Hollywood. Just off of - right here.
PINSKY: They`re brutal.
SCHACHER: Yeah.
PINSKY: I`ve lost a cat.
SCHACHER: Why did you have to say that? Dr. Drew. OK.
PINSKY: Get yourself together.
SCHACHER: I`ll try not to cry.
PINSKY: Sam, it was sad. But we got them out - and we had bobcats in our backyard. We got - we have three of them. We had to get them out. And we are not -- we`re 30 seconds from a freeway.
SCHACHER: But what do you want to do? What - would you expect these wildlife officers to come in and start shooting them? Because seven bears died.
PINSKY: We actually called wildlife and they said exactly that, what do you want us to do? Come and shoot the cat? We`re like - we ended up switching to dogs and getting dogs that can handle that kind of thing and get the yards where they are ..
SCHACHER: I don`t like that seven bears were shot.
TWEEDEN: Dr. Drew, we have that problem. We have possums in our yard.
PINSKY: Yeah.
TWEEDEN: And my husband called and he said, hey, you all want to come pick up some possums out in our yard? They were huge. I mean they were this big.
PINSKY: We`ve got them too.
TWEEDEN: And they go, nope, because we`re not going to do anything with it. So, why don`t you catch it? And we`re like - what if we catch it? Will you take it from us if we catch it? They go no, my husband caught it, made his own little noose like we watch on TV put it in a plastic bin. We drove up - I`m sorry for anybody that leaves up on the mountain, but we drove up the mount and tried to release it on the backside.
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PINSKY: That`s the way to do it.
SCHACHER: You didn`t kill it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:
BARNETT: Two points for you, Leeann.
PINSKY: Enough of the wild kingdom.
TWEEDEN: We did it three times.
PINSKY: If you have questions about tonight`s show, tweet us @drdrewhln, #drdrewsqs. Vanessa`s got the answer - and get - what are we putting up with this for? Get back in the city.
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PINSKY: All right, back after this.
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911 OPERATOR: Report of a domestic violence in progress. Party versus her husband. He`s been smoking marijuana. Advises they do keep a handgun in the house, but it`s in the in anybody`s possession.
911 OPERATOR: Wife on an open line saying that a male had a gun. All we have is the screaming in the background.
POLICE: Need an ambulance code central. Party down. We`re going to need homicide.
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PINSKY: Sam and I are back with Leeann, Vanessa and Loni. Earlier we were talking about a husband accused of shooting his wife in the head as she was on the phone with 911 begging for help. We`ve asked for your questions, comments, about that story as well as any other stories you`re interested in that we might have covered tonight. So, Sam, what do we get?
SCHACHER: We have a lot of tweets, Dr. Drew. OK, the first one coming in from a Jasiah Web (ph) asks, "System fails too many kids. I hope this kid gets saved from her addict mother. Kids don`t .."-- This one is applying to the other story.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: Kids don`t ask to be born, but do ask to be protected. Amen.
PINSKY: Let me say this. Look.
SCHACHER: Yeah.
PINSKY: Look.
SCHACHER: Yeah.
PINSKY: This kind of frustrates me because this woman is ill. She`s a drug addict. She`s not a bad person. And not even necessarily a bad mom. She`s a bad mom now. If she had a brain tumor and was behaving strangely, she`d be a bad mom now, too. Brain tumor has less likelihood of restoring her to good mom. Nothing against brain tumors. I`m just saying, addiction is a treatable condition. Let`s give this mom a little bit of a break that she may recover. The problem, Loni, is that she`s had so many run-ins with the law. That she may - and even after this episode, she may lose custody long term from this child.
COOMBS: That`s right. She might. I mean at some point the legal system has to say we`ve given you so many chances to get better and you`re not. So, now we`re going to punish you and then you`ll have to deal with your treatment later.
PINSKY: There you go. What else you got?
SCHACHER: I have one from Angela Hall. And let me pull that up. Angela asks, is it true that marijuana has a stronger effect when eaten versus smoking it? I was alluding to this earlier.
PINSKY: We talked about this. When - let me talk to the camera here. So when Sam took that huge chocolate cannabis candy bar that she didn`t share with anybody .
SCHACHER: Once.
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PINSKY: One time, everybody.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew!
PINSKY: One time.
SCHACHER: I`m pretty straight edge. It`s once, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: We`ll find out about you. We`re learning about you as we go along here. It`s a slow onset. And you really can`t really judge how much you`ve taken so it can get very intense sometimes. And then they last for a long time. In fact, I`ve got one here for me. Where`s that one about the cookies? You find -oh, here it is. I love the show. This is from WHSOM. S-o-m. "Dr. Drew, I love the show. Let`s take a poll, what kind of ganja cookies did Dr. Drew make at home? Sam, what kind would you like?
SCHACHER: You made ganja cookies at home?
PINSKY: I didn`t know how to make ganja cookies at home, but they what to know what kind.
SCHACHER: I`ve never had a ganja cookie. I had a chocolate bar that was an edible. OK? So, let`s just get that straight.
PINSKY: Totally different. What else you got on there?
SCHACHER: Okay. This one is coming in from Dr. Robert. A fellow doctor in the house. He asks, I have atrial -- good luck with me pronouncing that.
PINSKY: Oh-oh.
SCHACHER: Tach.
PINSKY: Atrial tach, OK. Am I likely to die if I am tazed? If you have a cardiac arrhythmia that is - atrial tach is a supraventricular tach, the cardio -It`s a fast heart rate. Atrial tach is - I would think you have a slightly increased risk of death.
SCHACHER: Is this possible what this guy had?
PINSKY: Well, he may have had some other underlying cardiac electrical problem and then got exposed by this, which is what`s concerning.
TWEEDEN: Don`t put yourself in that situation.
COOMBS: Don`t get tased.
PINSKY: Yes, ladies. Got you.
TWEEDEN: Exactly!
PINSKY: "Forensic Files" up next. Young scientist dying before his doctor`s eyes and his hair leads cops to a killer. "Forensic Files" starts right now.
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