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NBA Team Owner: Racist, Ignorant, Sick?

Aired April 28, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the most hated man in the country. Is Donald Sterling a racist? Or is he ignorant? Or is he sick?

Ms. Ali is here. She`ll help me answer those questions.

Plus, a teacher gives a student a birthday present, allegedly a lap dance. The behavior bureau has something to say about that.

And Tori Spelling in the hospital.

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening, everyone. I`m here with my co-host Samantha Schacher.

And, Sam, his day has been a buzz with the Donald Sterling story.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: I`ve been waiting all weekend to talk to you about your thoughts. Also I`m anxious to hear what Ms. Ali has to say.

PINSKY: Very anxious to hear that.

SCHACHER: But, yes, as far as Don Sterling, to me I`ve been boiled up about this.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: You wrote, in fact, I have something I want to show really quickly on Instagram, because I think it`s very ironic, you said something very pivotal on Friday. We posted it on Instagram. You said, "It`s not OK to hate. I want to say as loud as I can -- if you`re full of hate, this hate becomes action."

PINSKY: And what I meant by that was, you know, people get a little bit tolerant of hate. If there`s no action associated with it.

What I was saying, I want to say it right down the pipe here is that if you`re filled with hate, if you`re filled with hate there`s a probability in your lifetime, things can help, you get ill, you can dementia, psychiatric illness where your brain isn`t working right. And if it`s filled with hate, you can easily become action, inadvertently, let alone if the hate, itself, motivates you to action. So, I say we don`t tolerate hate anywhere.

So, let`s get into this story.

According to TMZ Sports, Donald Sterling, the guy who owns the L.A. Clippers, on tape, I know you`ve heard it all over on HLN, but he`s been making hateful comments to his girlfriend about black people. Let`s look at it.

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DONALD STERLING: I`m just saying in your lousy (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Instagrams, you don`t have to have yourself walking with black people.

GIRLFRIEND: I saw someone I admire. I admire Magic Johnson.

STERLING: I think the fact that you admire him. I`ve known him well and he should be admired and I`m just saying that it`s too bad you can`t admire him privately. And during your entire (EXPLETIVE DELETED) life, your whole life -- admire him, bring him here, feed him, (EXPLETIVE DELETED), I don`t care.

MAGIC JOHNSON, FORMER NBA PLAYER: If you come to me and say, hey, look, I`m a racist or I don`t -- I discriminate against blacks, I respect that. I can respect you more by doing that. But don`t smile in my face, shake my hand and then you don`t really respect me.

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PINSKY: Joining us, Mark Eiglarsh, attorney at speaktomark.com, Vanessa Barnett, social commentator, host of HipHollywood.com, and Shahrazad Ali, social commentator, author of "The Blackman`s Guide to Understanding the Blackwoman."

Before I get to Ms. Ali, Mark, I want to straighten this out. Did he do something illegal with what he was saying?

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Well, no. The Constitution gives people wide latitude to be outrageous, offensive and even racist. However, in the court of public opinion, he`s guilty of being an ignorant, racist putts in the first degree.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: So he violated the putts law.

But my understanding is the NBA has some sort of a constitution -- thanks, Mark. Some sort of constitution where the owners can vote an owner out. Are you aware of this?

SCHACHER: I actually heard the -- yes. I thought that it was quite the opposite.

PINSKY: That they couldn`t do it?

SCHACHER: That they couldn`t do it.

PINSKY: We`ll get that straightened out. I want to show you guys an Instagram photo from TMZ Sports that triggered the fight we just listened in on.

I want to ask Vanessa, did she, by recording him, do anything illegal?

VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: Well, we actually don`t know. We`re hearing that she actually claims she got permission from Donald to do these audio recordings because he, quote, "forgets his conversations at times. So, she`s claiming she actually got approval from him to record these conversations. She better hope that`s true because if she didn`t, if she says she has hundreds that`s out there, there may be hundreds of hours of footage and recordings, if that is true and she did not get his approval, she is up a creek without a paddle.

PINSKY: That`s in California where they don`t allow people to do this, correct, Mark? I don`t want to misspeak on this. That`s correct?

EIGLARSH: Correct. California like Florida is a two party consent state.

PINSKY: All right. Now, Ms. Ali, I`ve been waiting to talk to you all day. I have no idea what your take is going to be on this.

Let me start with this. When Magic Johnson was speaking in the tape a few seconds ago, you were shaking your head no. What was that about?

SHAHRAZAD ALI, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, because black people go around this country every day, even those that you all think love you, and they`re constantly talking about the racism they have to endure, all their racist bosses and supervisors. But then every time, they found out about one, is (INAUDIBLE), he`s a racist, act like it`s a surprise. I don`t understand what that means.

If they`re getting ready to fire Sterling because they made racist comments, they better fire every white businessman in America over the age of 50.

PINSKY: So I`m not surprised. Ms. Ali, you`re saying you`re not surprised by this guy`s comments. That`s a quick summary of what you`re saying, right?

ALI: No, I`m not surprised.

PINSKY: Here`s what -- go, please.

ALI: Go on.

PINSKY: No, you.

ALI: I think that he`s been a constructive racist because he overcame a lot to hire all of those black people who play sports for him and he`s worked with over the last 30 or 40 years or something. So, he overcame a lot. But, you know, sports is one category where white people don`t see black. They only see green.

BARNETT: No, they see black. They see black. Donald Sterling definitely sees black because he feels OK as long as black people are in their lane and making money for him. He sees black.

PINSKY: He sees green, too, Vanessa. I agree with this. This whole thing just confuses the hell out of me.

He sees green when he says black people. He sees a potential romantic partner when he sees black people. But he doesn`t see somebody -- it`s so bizarre.

BARNETT: It`s all -- as long as they`re below him, he`s okay. If they`re in their lane --

PINSKY: It`s weirder than that. I think it`s weirder than that. Here`s what`s weird for me, I`ve got to say this. Ms. Ali, I`ve got to go to break in a second.

Ms. Ali, strangely he sounded like you. Strangely he said the same things you said. Black people don`t like (INAUDIBLE) just way the world. You`re always saying it`s just the way the world is.

ALI: I tell you all the time, that`s the secret conversation white people have behind our back all the time. This is just how it is.

PINSKY: Thank God I`ve never had Ms. Ali --

SCHACHER: I never had. Don`t categorize all white people.

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ALI: You don`t have to tell us.

BARNETT: You can`t categorize everybody in one small little minded category. You sound just as ignorant as Sterling does. All black people hate white people?

ALI: You`re not calling me ignorant.

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PINSKY: Here`s the part I like. White people tiptoeing around walking on egg shells.

ALI: I know you`re not calling me ignorant.

BARNETT: It`s an ignorant statement, Ms. Ali.

PINSKY: N, I got to rescue her. You`re not allowed to call names.

ALI: That`s not an ignorant statement. Right. That`s the truth. And a lot of black people don`t want to deal with the truth.

BARNETT: You can`t stereotype people -- all black people and all white people and all Asian people. You can`t put people in --

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PINSKY: Hold on, ladies. One at a time. And I`m going to give Mark last word. Mark, I`ve got to get out. Mark, last word.

ALI: What did you all do? Get rid of --

PINSKY: Mark, last word, please.

EIGLARSH: All right. Once again, Ms. Ali uses words to get people alarmed, but what I think she`s saying is racism, and I agree with her, is alive and well and there`s many more starlings out there.

ALI: Yes.

EIGLARSH: Fortunately, he got caught and opens up the dialogue. We`ve come far from the `60s but have a long way to go.

BARNETT: No one`s discounting that.

PINSKY: Next up, Ms. Ali is going to stay here. I`ll bring in a behavior bureau to join her.

Be right back.

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GIRLFRIEND: I`m a mixed girl.

STERLING: OK. Well --

GIRLFRIEND: And you`re in love with me. And I`m black and Mexican, whether you like it or not.

STERLING: You can`t be flexible. You can`t --

GIRLFRIEND: I`m flexible. I understand that`s the way you were raised and that`s your culture and I`m respectful in this context.

STERLING: Why do you have to disrespect them? Those are --

GIRLFRIEND: Who am I disrespecting?

STERLING: The world before you.

GIRLFRIEND: Why am I disrespecting them?

STERLING: By walking, and you`re perceived as either a Latina or white girl.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: I am really confused by the way this guy thinks. That was from TMZ Sports. Confusing, poisonous words from a man said to be an L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

Back with Sam. Let`s bring in behavior bureau. We got Judy Ho, psychologist, clinical psychologist. Miss Ali still with us. Jennifer Keitt, life coach and radio host.

If you`d like to join the conversation, tweet us right now @DrDrewHLN, #behaviorbureau.

Judy, one of the questions I have here is these tapes were done in order to jar his memory because his girlfriend complains he doesn`t remember things. Could it be a frontal lobe deterioration? Actually, with dementia, these lobes out here deteriorate, or something related to aging that caused his hatred now to become more venomous or active?

JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: Thank you for bringing out the brain again, Dr. Drew. You know I love that brain.

PINSKY: I know you guys all do. I have to have it out once a night.

HO: But, yes. Absolutely. When somebody has dementia, he`s 80 years old. People over the age of 71, it`s one out of seven that have some kind of dementia deterioration. When that happens, people have more loose associations. They`re more impulsive. They don`t have the filter anymore that you might have. And it doesn`t work in terms of logical arguments.

Even in the little tape you just played us, I don`t think he makes sense there. Do you? It`s really, really odd.

PINSKY: Sam?

SCHACHER: I hear what you`re saying, Dr. Judy Ho. From what I understand, he`s been a racist for years.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: So, why now is everybody outraged? Why weren`t people outraged before when this was an issue? Only now because it`s public.

PINSKY: I think because before, Jennifer, follow up on this, I think before people`s jobs were at jeopardy if they spoke up. Now his job is in jeopardy as a result of everyone being aware of what he said.

Jennifer?

JENNIFER KEITT, LIFE COACH: I think right now everybody on the team should get a raise. They should take every single dollar that he has and they should use it for good for educating people against what he is doing. The man is clearly a racist.

And he was not talking from his brain. He was talking from his genitals. How in the world is he going to keep an 18-year-old, 19-year-old, 20-year- old hottie like that? Look at him. Come on.

HO: And, Jennifer, don`t you think that racist people are able to compartmentalize very easily? I know in that last block they were talking about how can they do that with girlfriends and other people?

PINSKY: Yes, Judy, I agree with you, I`m going to let Ms. Ali comment about a comment he made in a comparison about African-Americans and discriminations against Jews. Sterling himself was born Donald Tokowitz. He`s Jewish, of course.

This now and again we`ll hear more about the Holocaust in this conversation. I want to get Ms. Ali`s take on that.

This now is from Deadspin.com.

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STERLING: You go to Israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs.

GIRLFRIEND: So, do you have to treat them like that, too?

STERLING: The white Jews, there`s white Jews and black Jews. You understand?

GIRLFRIEND: And are the black Jews less than the white Jews?

STERLING: A hundred percent, 50, 100 percent.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: Ms. Ali, I cringe. It`s funny, I see a lot of Caucasian people walking on egg shells protesting about this guy. But it really makes my skin crawl to hear him talk like that. You`ve always educated me that we should begin to think about slavery as a long holocaust for African- Americans.

ALI: Yes, it has been. It is. Well, actually, his girlfriend proves it more. She`s a light skinned mulatto Latino and so she was fine with him. That`s always been the position that the slave master took over the light skinned women.

Plus, don`t nobody want an 84-year-old man but an 84-year-old woman. So, she was a gold digger. She set him up. She`s robbing him and ripping him off. That`s how that is.

This is not the first conversation he had to her about black people and he was telling her, I don`t mind you being with them in the back, but I don`t want you sitting out front with them darkies where everybody can see you.

That`s all he was telling her and she should have went with the program and they`d still be together.

PINSKY: So, Jennifer, you`re reacting. Go ahead. I`ve got my own thoughts.

KEITT: I think 100 percent, this to me is an excellent, excellent opportunity for us to continue the discussion about race in this country.

PINSKY: Yes.

KEITT: Until white people and black people and Asian and Latino people come to the realization that we all have something going on in our heart. He has gotten caught. He has gotten called out. And now, it`s an opportunity for us to really make a difference here.

The man is sad. It`s sad.

PINSKY: Yes. No, Ms. Ali, why dismiss him of that? Why?

KEITT: Come on. When are we going to start talking about it, then? When are we going to start talking about it?

PINSKY: Tell me.

ALI: Oh, please. Give it a rest. We talk about it every day, all day. You can`t legislate how people feel about each other. You can`t make that politically correct. You can`t do that.

PINSKY: But, Ms. Ali, you can --

ALI: Listen.

PINSKY: You can keep bringing it up until it washes out of the population. It may take more generations. I agree.

ALI: Every time I bring it up, you all get mad. I bring it up all the time and you all don`t like it.

PINSKY: It`s kind of the way you bring it up. It`s not that you bring it up. It`s sort of -- it sounds a lot like him, like Sterling. That`s what gets disturbing about it.

Listen, you stay, Ms. Ali, as always, it`s such a privilege. It really is. I appreciate you coming.

Last word. Go ahead.

ALI: Thank you.

My book, "The Blackman`s Guide" is on Amazon.com. As a result of me being on this show, it is real popular.

PINSKY: OK, good. I hope it helps move this conversation forward, as you always do.

ALI: It will.

PINSKY: By enflaming us, by challenging us. I appreciate that.

ALI: It will.

PINSKY: Next up, Donald Sterling is a married guy as we`ve been talking about. He`s got this young girlfriend. Maybe other girlfriends.

We`re going to look at his relationship and his family after this.

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GIRLFRIEND: Sweetie, I`m sorry.

STERLING: I`m so sorry, too. We made a giant mistake. Both of us.

Everything you say to me is so painful. Do I want you to change the color of your skin? You know how it really hurts somebody. Instead of saying I understand.

Please leave me alone, please, please?

GIRLFRIEND: I`m sorry. Is there anything that I can to make you feel better?

STERLING: No, you can never make me feel better. You`re just a fighter and you want to fight.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: All right. That was from TMZ Sports.

I`m back with Sam.

We got any tweet action?

SCHACHER: We do. DrDrewHLN, this is from Robyn Hilger. "Is it only about Sterling`s racist comments? What about the fact he`s married and has a girlfriend?" Amen.

PINSKY: And multiple girlfriends.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: That last tweet before we went out last break was stupid doesn`t need a diagnosis. That was pretty powerful.

SCHACHER: I agree with that.

PINSKY: Let`s talk about the relationship between Sterling and the girlfriend and how the wife factors in. What`s going on?

SCHACHER: OK. According to TMZ, there`s a lot here. Just bear with me. In the past, Stiviano has been denying that they were actually a couple. OK?

PINSKY: They were just working together.

SCHACHER: Exactly.

PINSKY: She happened to get a Bentley and Ferrari and couple things from him. She must have done a good job.

SCHACHER: Right. And we found that out because Sterling`s wife is actually suing her, right?

But in recent court documents, she is saying that she is his, quote, "sexy side piece" for the last four years and now there`s this new court document filed by Sterling`s wife alleging not only did this girl have an affair with her husband, but also ran the bank, also took advantage of him, got that Ferrari, got the two Bentleys, got $250,000 cash, $1.8 million condo.

PINSKY: Ms. Ali`s right. She`s in it just for that.

SCHACHER: I mean, come on, Dr. Drew. What else could she be dating him for? He`s not the nicest guy. He`s discriminating against her.

PINSKY: An 80-year-old racist? Come on.

SCHACHER: And then also, there`s a weird dynamic between Shelley Sterling, his wife, and he, because just yesterday, she made this comment. She told TMZ, quote, "Our family is devastated by the racist comments made by my estranged husband," but then she went out to dinner with him last night. When she`s coming out of the restaurant, TMZ asks her again, is your husband a racist? She says, no. Then she mutters under her breath that those tapes were doctored.

PINSKY: Oh, my goodness. That`s interesting.

They`ve had tragedy in that family. The son died of heroin addiction, was a diabetic. Another son shot his friend.

SCHACHER: Over a "Saved By the Bell" episode, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: I need to bring some help in. Bring in Jennifer and Vanessa is back, also Leeann Tweeden, social commentator, host of "Tomboys`" podcast on Blogcast Radio.

So, Leeann, let`s get your thoughts on this whole thing. What are you thinking?

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: You know, he`s a racist. But the thing is, is that everybody has known about it. David Stern should have taken care of this a long time ago. When he really had some meat, when Elgin Baylor, the old GM, took him to court and said that he had this Southern style, you know, slave and master type of relationship with his team, with his players, he really had something that he could go on there.

Well, now, the new commissioner, Adam Silver, is having a really hard time because not only -- I mean, he can`t really do anything. When you all were talking about that earlier, what he can do is basically fine him $1 million and to a guy that`s worth $1.9 billion, that`s really like a parking ticket. It doesn`t really matter, right? So, it`s not going to really hurt him.

And, you know, the other team owners weren`t calling for him to be ousted before.

PINSKY: They`re not?

TWEEDEN: They just sort of swept it under the carpet. I`m talking about during David Stern.

PINSKY: They should be, right?

TWEEDEN: But even if they can, I don`t think there`s anything they can do. Look, he loves to go it court and he will fight it.

PINSKY: I want to hear from Vanessa -- because, Vanessa, you`ve been jumping out of your skin. Go ahead.

BARNETT: Well, I think as far as it goes with the commissioners, and the people that are in charge and what can they do, I think we`re just beating our heads against the wall because their hands are tied right now.

But I want to focus more on this girlfriend, the girlfriend.

KEITT: Quote/unquote.

BARNETT: She is a shady character. I found out that she has changed her name multiple times. I`m talking --

PINSKY: Oh, interesting.

BARNETT: -- not once, not twice. Multiple times. She was born Maria Vanessa Perez, added another name, changed it. Now she`s Stiviano. Whatever.

She`s a shady character, but what I will say is that everyone`s calling her a gold digger which I think isn`t necessarily unfair. But what do you expect? If you`re going to sleep with an 81-year-old man --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You want something in return.

BARNETT: You deserve your Bentley. You deserve your condo. That is disgusting.

KEITT: You might as well get something.

PINSKY: Jennifer. Jennifer next.

KEITT: They were two adults. Please, let`s get it twisted. He was not taken advantage of, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Wait, Jennifer.

KEITT: He got what he was paying for.

PINSKY: Isn`t she in a way --

KEITT: He got what he paid for.

PINSKY: -- duplicitous in this whole thing and getting what she can out of a racist old guy? Sort of overlooks it until she really can`t anymore?

(CROSSTALK)

BARNETT: Drew, she saw --

KEITT: Exactly.

BARNETT: He gets the hot piece, he gets to take her to the rooms, oh, look at my trophy, look at this hot girl that loves me.

(CROSSTALK)

BARNETT: He`s getting something, too.

KEITT: He paid for it. He paid for it. He got it. He`ll have to deal with it.

PINSKY: Anybody else feel like they have to take a shower after talking about this story? I feel so gross. I really do. I hope the NBA does something.

The NBA has usually done such a great job of taking care of their players. I`m sure they`re taking this all very, very seriously.

As I`ve said, hate is nothing to allow to fester. It becomes action in many people at some point.

TWEEDEN: Well, come on, let`s face it, Dr. Drew, the NBA is mostly made up of black people. So he`s making money on it. That`s all he`s worried about.

PINSKY: Well, whatever it is, les hope that -- they`ve done a great job of managing -- policing and managing the organization. I bet they`ll come up with an interesting response because --

TWEEDEN: Something is going to happen.

PINSKY: Something is going to happen. This can`t be allowed. I`m glad we`re having the conversation.

I don`t think people should walk on egg shells about this. They should address it directly.

BARNETT: I think it`s more racist.

PINSKY: Vanessa and I were talking about it in the makeup booth that people beating their chest, tearing their hair out. Like, no, don`t overdo it. Don`t walk on egg shells. Let`s talk about this.

(CROSSTALK)

TWEEDEN: They`ve never done anything about it until now. And you know what, the Clippers are in the middle of the playoff series. I`m so sorry for them because this is a total distraction when those guys should be focusing on basketball.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, an update on the 9-year-old kicked to death by his own mom. Police may have tried to help that child, after all. We`ll get back to that story after this.

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(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (BLEEP) you hard, man.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You caused this on yourself, Omaree.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 911 lady sent me the call, said if I want to hear the call, how bad it was.

PINSKY: Parents were able to lie their way out of this or manipulate their way out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just because they don`t listen and I was just stressed out, just having a bad day.

PINSKY: Six months later, the mom whom you heard on that tape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His mother -- Synthia Varela-Casaus was charged with killing her 9-year-old son.

ERICA AMERICA: The way that police handled this case was so horrifying.

PINSKY: They did try to help. They drop the ball. I`ll grant you that.

MICHELLE FIELDS: These cops -- they should have their pensions taken away, their retirement, everything.

PINSKY: That doesn`t mean the child would have said anything. They`re mortified.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Says another officer took a call involving the child. That officer did all he could to make sure Omaree was OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A customer calls 911 saying he saw a woman punch a child. He tracks down the woman, Synthia Varela-Casaus, at her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, what did she do? Hmm? Do you have any marks on you? Can I look at your arms and make sure you`re OK? Can I see your back? Check you out.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

PINSKY: That was new video uncovered by our affiliate KOAT. A year before the mom stomped this poor child to death. Police called to investigate for child abuse. And this time, this time, Sam, it seemed like he did everything he was supposed to do. We were saying before, when the previous officer, the lapel cam video we had showed that they didn`t pull the (Inaudible) kid aside. They didn`t talk to.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER: They didn`t follow basic protocol. They didn`t even file a report.

PINSKY: I made the point that they even pulling the child aside, you see, it doesn`t do anything. The kid is terrified, doesn`t say anything.

SCHACHER: but you still have to follow protocol, regardless. And Officer Jeff Jones, definitely went above and beyond. Not only did he show up to that cell phone store but he tried to review the video. Apparently, it was really grainy. So, he went to Omaree`s house, he interviewed Omaree, separately. As you stated, he actually called fire-fighters, he called an ambulance as a precaution.

PINSKY: He physically evaluated him.

SCHACHER: Well, although he physically evaluated him, but he called them as a precaution just in case, I don`t know, maybe a fight broke out. Maybe he expected the worst, and that`s what they should do. And he also filed the report and also called CPS.

PINSKY: Oh. Then CPS.

(CROSSTALK)

SCHACHER: Dropped the ball.

PINSKY: Great.

SCHACHER: Yeah.

PINSKY: All right. And speaking of behavior bureau. We got Judy Ho, Erica America, psychotherapist z-100 personality Erica America, and Vanessa Barnett back. Erica, turns out this officer this time did do everything right. But.

ERICA AMERICA, RADIO PERSONALITY: Yes.

PINSKY: But not enough.

AMERICA: Yes. You know, you know how upset I was about the lapel video last time. This one was great. Jeff Jones, I believe that was his name, officer. He did an amazing job. But unfortunately, it still was not enough to save Omaree`s life. So, what we have to look at is lowering the threshold for separating the child from the home. Not just if there`s bruises. Because like you said, Dr. Drew, a kid who`s being abused is frightened for retribution from their own parents and is not gonna say anything. So, they need time away to decompress, maybe with CPS or if they`re not the right people, some other experts, so, that the child can open up and we can find out what`s really going on.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Yes.

AMERICA: Rather than leaving the child back in the home.

PINSKY: I agreed.

AMERICA: Because we end up with a dead child.

PINSKY: And Judy.

AMERICA: And this is gonna happen again and again.

PINSKY: Judy, the kid is punched in the face. This isn`t child abuse light, this is public punching of the child. Nine reports to CPS about Omaree and yet still we have a dead child.

JUDY HO, PH.D.: That`s right. And in the case of this police officer, he did the right thing which is to cross communicate and cross reference with CPS. Unfortunately, I don`t think anybody at CPS was cross referencing even within their own agency. If they have nine reports, why was nothing more done? And we cannot keep excusing this system because they`re overburdened. This is their job. You know what you`re getting into when you sign up for CPS, and that`s not a job for everybody. But if you`re going to do it, you have to cross all your (Inaudible) and dot your eyes, and the problem is that these burned out CPS investigators oftentimes will even file reports when they haven`t even been in the home, Dr. Drew. There`s been multiple reports like that.

PINSKY: I understand. I get it. I agree with you, but Vanessa, I`m sympathetic to people in helping professions where they`re asked to do more than they can.

VANESSA BARNETT: If they can`t do it, then why they there, Dr. Drew?

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PINSKY: But, it`s not individuals. It`s the system. The system is a mess.

BARNETT: The system is a mess, but we can`t, like she said, we can`t keep excusing that. And we`re applauding this officer who did the right thing. And I understand that, and I want to say kudos to him. But at the end of the day it almost makes me more angry because that should be the standard. We shouldn`t have applaud that like a father who takes care of their kid and we say yay. No, that should be what is done. And here we are -- we`re still beating our heads over what the problem is, and we don`t have a solution. Like you said, lower the threshold, like you said, that should be the standard, like we need better things in place. So, that when something is done right, we still don`t have a dead child at the end of it.

PINSKY: All right. We will keep.

HO: And resources for the mental health and the police professionals.

PINSKY: Listen, I have to say goodbye.

HO: Preaching to the choir.

PINSKY: That`s what I`m saying. But I -- we`ve got to leave this here. We`ll keep on eye on this story.

Next up, a teacher accused of giving a student a lap dance for his birthday. What happened to this teacher, what we think about it after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All the kids around the classroom saying give him a lap dance. So, the teacher grabbed a chair and stand in the middle then students started playing music, and then she let students film her while she was lap dancing the kid.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 2: Not only was the incident caught on camera, police say Smith admitted to performing the lap dance.

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PINSKY: All right, back with Sam, Mark, Vanessa, and Leeann. This 42-year- old teacher was removed from the school. Prosecutors said she had performed a so-called full contact lap dance for her 15-year-old student. And this actually was the most tweeted story of the day, believe it or not, in spite of all the action around the Clippers. Sam, this was apparently a four- minute operation.

SCHACHER: Yeah. Dr. Drew. The details are quite intimate. So, the student told the police that she allowed him to touch her with his hands, and touch her butt, and slap her butt, and squeeze it. She also touched him. She also him with her butt and then also reportedly, she got on her knees, placed her head in between his legs, and he admitted to police that during this four-minute lap dance, he was aroused.

PINSKY: Mark, what are the prosecutors gonna say and go after here?

MARK EIGLARSH: Well, it`s section 2112 of the Texas criminal code. She`s facing between 2 years and 20 years for a second-degree felony. In the statute, they don`t make a distinction between sexual contact and sexual intercourse. It`s being punished in the same statute.

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PINSKY: So, she`s in trouble.

EIGLARSH: Yeah. And by the way, Drew, just for my enjoyment, could you have your co-host, number one, let`s get a shot of her pants. You`re The One That I Want. And maybe describe what happened again. If we can do that. Tell us what happened again? Details?

SCHACHER: Wait. Did you reference to Grease? You`re the one that I want. Whoo! I love it. Thank you. All right.

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EIGLARSH: They`re taking a picture.

PINSKY: Very hot tonight.

EIGLARSH: How do you see that? From your box there in Miami.

PINSKY: Oh, Sam, it scares me, Mark. But now, I want to get back to the story, because students from the school and the parents were overwhelmingly supportive of the teacher. Take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She didn`t mean no harm by this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She did mean no harm. It was just playing around. I don`t know why you`re taking it seriously.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was a fun teacher, man. She was really cool. She was playful. She was crazy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t think it`s right. I don`t think it`s right what she did, but, you know, she`s an excellent teacher.

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PINSKY: So, Vanessa, excellent teacher. She could be an excellent teacher. She made a bad call here. It`s going to get her in legal hot water. Is Vanessa -- you were a teacher. What`s your thought?

BARNETT: This is how desperate we are for educators in this country that we`re like, oh, she was a great teacher, lap dance, whatever. But she`s a great teacher. What she did was more than a lap dance. When you`re in the strip club, you don`t get that kind of treatment. It`s hands off the strippers. You can`t touch them and you`re paying them. She was doing this for free. She`s in the wrong profession, totally. Now, I will say she doesn`t deserve 20 years, but she does not deserve to be in that classroom, because if she says in the classroom, what happens if she sleeps with some boy next year? We`ll be all on the panel saying there was a warning sign.

PINSKY: You`re right. You`re absolutely right. But I would not make that connection necessarily between this bad judgment.

EIGLARSH: No.

PINSKY: And going all the way so to speak.

BARNETT: Bad judgment? Dr. Drew, that`s so much more than bad judgment.

PINSKY: Leeann, last thoughts.

LEEANN TWEEDEN: You know, I have a problem with it, because I have a son that`s gonna be going to school eventually and I don`t want a woman taking advantage of him. And the one thing that bugs me so much, Dr. Drew, is that she says, oh, the kids convinced her to do it. Since when do middle school children convince a teacher to give a child a lap dance in a classroom? And she`s like, oh, yeah, maybe it was just bad judgment. What are you talking about? Get her out of there. She does not deserve to be a teacher anymore.

PINSKY: All right, you guys, next up, Tori Spelling has been hospitalized, and Dean will tell us about his addiction. We`ll get into it after this.

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PINSKY: I`m back with Sam. This story is about Tori Spelling who was spotted leaving a hospital over the weekend where she was reportedly treated for the last six days. Now, Sam, help me understand why she needs to spend, a healthy young adult needs to spend six days in the hospital?

SCHACHER: Well, you tell us, because according to a number of sources she went into the hospital because she was having severe migraines.

PINSKY: OK. She may have gone to the hospital for severe migraines. Under no circumstance does a patient stay in the hospital on the medical unit for migraines for six days. I don`t -- I can`t think of any circumstance where that would happen. That is a maybe at the most two days. Six days sounds outlandish to me. And so, it makes me wonder what really was going on.

SCHACHER: Exactly. Yeah, you`re not the only person feeling that same.

PINSKY: All right. Well, and if the timeline is accurate, the -- she would have been admitted to the hospital just before the premiere of the new reality show True Tori. Take a look at this clip from Lifetime.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, why did you do what you did? Why didn`t you jeopardize everything?

DEAN MCDERMOTT: Because I didn`t think that I would get caught. I was drinking and using drugs, man. I have a brain that wants to be dead. That`s how the alcoholic mind works and thinks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m out. I`m a free man.

TORI SPELLING: Having Dean home, I can`t forget about what happened.

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PINSKY: Bring back Behavior Bureau, Judy, Erica, and Leeann. Us Weekly, reports, reality cameras were actually with Tori at the hospital that we will find out what this hospitalization is all about. Maybe that`s why she took six days, they couldn`t anything done. Leeann, your thoughts, cameras in hospital, really?

TWEEDEN: Yeah. You know, maybe that`s why she spent six days, Drew. Maybe she needed some extra footage for her reality show. I mean, seriously? I could really care less about their lives. Everybody`s got their problems. I`m so sick of hearing them talk about, he cheated on me, I have a drug problem. You know, a lot of people have things going on. I just feel like people are even turning on them. A lot of people, a lot of their fans or people that watch this show, I don`t personally, are thinking that it`s set-up, that they`re doing it to sensationalize, to make the headlines, to stay in the news so people will tune in and they can make their money or whatever, but I`m not buying it. I think -- you know, I think he did cheat on her, I think they do have a bad relationship. Whatever. I don`t really care.

PINSKY: Well, Judy, we see him being more of the addict or remorseful in recovery, shame. All the stuff we normally see. But I`m gonna talk about that later. I want to get back to Tori. The headache. I mean, listen, a headache is a horrible thing. People that have migraines. You know what I`m talking about. But six days in the hospital, I can`t think of any circumstance where that would be require.

HO: No way, Dr. Drew. There`s something else going on in this picture. And Tori had long denied that she has any mental illness especially eating disorder. A lot of people have asked her about that, she`s completely denied it. At the same time, in October 2013, she gave an interview and fessed up, that she was starving herself to lose the baby weight. In November 2013, she was hospitalized then, too. Again, a mysterious reason for why she was hospitalized. I just think that there`s something else going on that`s more on the mental side. Even though she doesn`t want to talk about it and that`s why she was there for six days. But she initially went in for a medical concern like you said. But that`s how a lot of people deal with their own stigma toward mental illness.

TWEEDEN: Ironic that she only wants to talk about the things she wants to talk about. The other stuff is off limits. Like she`s picking and choosing.

PINSKY: Erica?

AMERICA: Right, Yeah, I know, I mean, I think it might also be some exhaustion. You know, the public.

PINSKY: Oh, Exhaustion is nothing. Exhaustion is completely meaningless.

AMERICA: Let me finish.

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PINSKY: There`s no insurance company on earth -- hang on, there`s no insurance company on earth that will pay for a diagnosis of exhaustion for a hospitalization for a young, healthy person.

AMERICA: Exhaustion in the same sentence, in the same sentence as a possible eating disorder. She has lost a significant amount of weight.

PINSKY: That`s a diagnosis.

AMERICA: Exactly.

PINSKY: Even the sort of.

AMERICA: So, I think -- but I think it`s interesting because the show is called, you know, True Tori. And I think we`re all trying to figure out here what is the true story. And I think it really is a mix of the two. I mean, most people know this. Maybe not everyone. That reality shows are very much not real a lot of the time. They are narrated to have a better story line. Even Tori said, herself, she knows how to tug on the heart strings of the viewers. So, I think we`re getting a little bit of truth. The addiction might be true. The relationship problems might be true. They obviously were in a marriage together. But it`s amped up. And the fact that I just found out, Dr. Drew, when you told me that they were actually videotaping the hospital stay, that makes me even like, wow, I mean, they want this.

PINSKY: I don`t understand how they possibly could do that because of HIPAA laws and stuff. How can they let cameras in the hospital?

SCHACHER: I wouldn`t pass anything. I wouldn`t put anything past a reality show nowadays. I really wouldn`t. But I have to say, Dr. Drew, I definitely think that there`s some truth to the addiction, that there`s truth to the infidelity. But I think that she`s doing it for the wrong reasons and attention.

PINSKY: I wanna get more into Dean`s story. But first, you can Instagram us any time @drdrewhln. Again, more with Dean`s story after this.

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PINSKY: Back with, Sam, out of Behavior Bureau, Judy, Erica, and Leeann. Now Tori Spelling`s marriage is having trouble. She`s a live reality, TV cameras to document the struggle with her husband, Dean. Dean has admitted the cheating, but says it wasn`t about sex. Really, Dean? Watch his clip from True Tori on Lifetime.

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MCDERMOTT: I have a brain that wants to kill me. It`s not like I was -- I was looking for sex, or horny, or anything. Like T and I, our relationship or our sex life is solid. We`ve been have sex once every two weeks. It wasn`t fantastic.

SPELLING: I know.

MCDERMOTT: What? What did I say? How do you begin to fight that? You begin to fight that by hitting your bottom.

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PINSKY: So, which is it, guys? Oh, Leeann, what do you say? What`s up?

TWEEDEN: Seriously, not only are they lying to each other, they`re lying to themselves. He`s like, oh, we`re solid. We got a great relationship. Then he`s like, you know what, our sex life sucks. We don`t have sex enough. She was like, what, I thought we had a great sex life. I mean, they`re just so full of it. I`m so sick of these two. Because I feel like it`s totally fake. And you know, she`s probably bringing the migraines on to herself. I mean, she`s just putting herself through the stressful situation. This is season three. They need new content. It`s like, what else are they gonna come up with next?

PINSKY: Well, Judy, maybe I`m just too much of a co-defendant. But I feel really bad about these two. I think Dean is an addict. I think he`s in trouble.

TWEEDEN: But deal with it in public.

PINSKY: There they are. They got the cameras rolling. The guy seems to be struggling, he`s seems in pain, it`s like a typical addict in early recovery. He`s all over the place. Doesn`t know what`s what. What do you say?

HO: And Dr. Drew, they`re still good people overall. They all deserve love just like every one of us does. OK. So, we should lay off a little bit on that part. But as far as Dean being an Addict, I don`t think he`s actually ready to make changes.

TWEEDEN: Right.

HO: He`s still making excuses, still externalizing the blame even to the point of blaming his brain for wanting to kill him.

PINSKY: That`s right.

HO: Where is the accountability? And until you have that, you can`t go through treatment and make changes.

PINSKY: I agree. I don`t think -- he talks about needing to hit bottom. Erica, I`m not sure he`s there yet.

AMERICA: Yeah, no, I was gonna say, you know, He`s such a great truth about hitting rock bottom. Because that really isn`t necessary to say, you know what? I don`t know anything. I need help. I think he`s saying it but he`s not really at that point yet. He`s showing some addictive behavior by saying things that don`t kind of make sense because he doesn`t really know who he is because he`s so covered up by these different addictions that he might have had for so long. So, I think it`s hard to watch for a lot of people.

SCHACHER: And even if their motive was honorary, Even if they were sincere, and they`re all we wanna help other couples out there who having trouble with infidelity.

PINSKY: Oh, that`s what they`re saying?

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TWEEDEN: People who cheated on their husband and wives respectively when they got together.

PINSKY: Maybe, maybe, maybe they can help Donald Sterling. Maybe they can help Mr. Sterling. Maybe Mr. Sterling is gonna watch the Spelling.

SCHACHER: I don`t know.

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PINSKY: I`m just saying.

SCHACHER: But my point here is that, listen, even if this was a an honorary thing to do, which I don`t believe it is, I don`t that they`re sincere. I think they`re doing it for fame and attention. They`re still hurting the children. And we have a tweet right here from Karen Bell. She tweets, it amazes me that they will put their children through this. They will be scarred for life by the parents` antics. That`s what I`m concerned about.

TWEEDEN: And you know what, Dr. Drew? If they really were concerned about their children, if this really is tearing them apart and making them both sick. Why don`t they just take it off the air. Why doesn`t she just say, that`s it, stop it, I don`t need the money. I don`t need the cameras. I don`t need this in my life anymore and really get help and really do it off camera.

PINSKY: Erica?

AMERICA: Yeah, no, it will be interesting if it gets to that point. That`s why, like I was curious is this hospital stay for real? Was this really an eating disorder gone to a point where she`s needed help? But if she`s gonna still film it for the show, I don`t think she`s at that point yet. Like I said, this is Tori Spelling. She grew up in an Aaron Spelling household. You know who he is. Her whole life has been kind of documented. And I don`t know if she knows what it`s like to live without that attention.

PINSKY: I get bad feelings when I hear -- when I think about this story. When I think about all these issues you guys are raising. When I watch Dean struggle with his fragility in early recovery.

TWEEDEN: Isn`t it called alcoholics anonymous for a reason?

PINSKY: But, but listen.

AMERICA: Right, we`re not supposed to talk about it.

PINSKY: But is it possible. You`re being very harsh tonight. Is it possible they started this thing out. They`re gonna do a reality show and got in real trouble?

TWEEDEN: But like I said. Why don`t they have the balls to pull the plug on it? It`s not gonna be healthy for them, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: I think, Judy, they`re just trying to bear through it. We got like ten seconds. Barrel through it. Then they`re gonna go focus on their work. But it may not be the best judgment.

HO: That`s right. Dr. Drew, Leeann, they`re two broken people. They`re trying to fix themselves. Right now that`s their tunnel vision. And we got to leave them some space and time to do that.

PINSKY: All right. Now, please.

TWEEDEN: In private.

PINSKY: Please go ahead and -- they`ll be true with these cameras soon enough. DVR us right now then watch the show any time. Forensic Files is up next. Tonight, scientists track a trio of robbers by what they wore and how they stood. It`s right.

SCHACHER: Interesting.

PINSKY: You got to watch Forensic Files and it starts right now.

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