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Dr. Drew

Sterling: Clueless or Crazy?

Aired May 13, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, social media has a message for Donald Sterling -- we don`t like you.

DONALD STERLING, CLIPPERS OWNER: Jews, when they get successful, they will help their people. And some of the African-Americans -- maybe I`ll get in trouble again -- they don`t want to help anybody.

PINSKY: The behavior bureau wants to know why didn`t he shut up?

Plus, millions of you have seen this viral video. A human lie detector is here to tell you what this is about.

And, Alec Baldwin arrested for riding a bike.

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening.

I`m joined by my co-host Samantha Schacher.

And, coming up, a mentally ill man is confronted by sheriff`s deputies and we will show you how this story ends. It`s not pretty.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: The footage is so disturbing, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: I didn`t like this story but we`re going to get into it. First, our most tweeted story of the day. Y`all were not impressed by Donald Sterling`s apology. His interview with Anderson Cooper, especially, especially not impressed about the stuff that he was saying about Magic Johnson.

Take a look at this.

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STERLING: He acts so holy. I mean, he made love to every girl in every city in America, and he had AIDS. And when he had AIDS, I went to my synagogue and prayed for him. He`s got AIDS. Did he do any business? I`d like -- did help anybody in South L.A.?

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: I think he has HIV. It doesn`t actually a full-blown AIDS.

STERLING: I talked to him in confidence. I didn`t give any interviews. You are my interview. I`m deciding if I like you.

Some of the African-Americans -- maybe I`ll get in trouble again -- they don`t want to help anybody.

They all want to play golf with me. Everybody wants to be with me.

COOPER: You think they still love you?

STERLING: I do.

COOPER: You believe the players of the Los Angeles Clippers love you?

STERLING: Absolutely.

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PINSKY: So, Sam, we got a lot to say about this interview.

Anderson just concluded airing his interview with Magic Johnson, and Magic Johnson was very composed and very appropriate in his response. I learned a lot about how much he was doing, has been doing for his community and many communities. So let`s be super clear about that.

SCHACHER: Oh my goodness. Absolutely.

PINSKY: And let`s be clear that he has HIV and not AIDS, and by saying those AIDS and these AIDS and being so discriminatory in how he talked about that condition. He`s further adding to the stigma for people who might have this now chronic, ongoing disorder we call HIV potentially progressing to AIDS, but people live long, normal and active lives with this condition. They don`t deserve to be discriminated in the way this man was discriminating against a gentleman, happens to be Magic Johnson, with this condition.

SCHACHER: Right. Who has do you know so much for not only raising awareness but for the African-American community. I`m glad you said that.

PINSKY: It`s stunning.

OK. Let`s bring my panel in. And I`ve got Anahita Sedaghatfar from AnahitaLaw.com, Segun Oduolowu, social commentator, and Michelle Fields, correspondent for P.J. Media.

So, Sam, Twitter -- Twitter is acting out right now.

SCHACHER: Yes. Well, Twitter has become a force in exerting pressure on them to explain themselves. So far, neither Donald or Shelly post- interview --

PINSKY: The wife or ex-wife. I`m confused by that, too.

SCHACHER: Yes. I know -- have accused anyone of saying that what they said was out of context or distorting what they said. It`s really interesting because you all are actually part of this story because of all the action on social media.

PINSKY: All right. Segun, do you buy the -- I`m not sure it was an apology. Do you take anything out of this interview like an apology?

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Oh, yes. First, I thought that brother Cooper did a good job. I`m going to call him brother because he`s on our sister network, on CNN. But I thought he did a great job in the interview, because when you interview a sports guy and the store jumps the shark, and you`re typically a news guys, news guys don`t always do a good job with sports.

What we saw with Donald Sterling is a man so out of touch that the apology -- it means nothing to me. I mean, like he said, if I`m going to get in trouble. Any time you start an apology by, "if I`ve offended anyone by what I`ve said", you don`t typically believe what you have said.

And to attack Magic Johnson, as Magic says in the interview, that airs a little bit later, if he had done his homework, Fatburger, the movie theaters, Magic Johnson has done a lot to revitalize the black community. People like Oprah Winfrey, Tyler Perry, they`ve done a lot to help blacks all over the country.

For him to say those comments shows just how far removed from the progressive thinking he is right now. It`s shameful.

PINSKY: Michelle?

MICHELLE FIELDS, PJ MEDIA: You know, if you look at his history, Donald Sterling`s history, it`s obvious that this man is racist. He`s not a very nice person.

But when I watched this interview, what I saw was someone who is probably suffering from the early stages of dementia. He was out of it. He wasn`t incoherent. His thoughts were all over the place.

I mean, this is a man who has been very successful, who probably his mind -- if you look at his mind right now, it probably wasn`t his mind when he was making tons of money. I see someone whose mental capacity has been debilitated. I mean, it seems --

PINSKY: Michelle, I`m going to show you an interview that his wife or ex-wife -- I`m not sure what she is.

They`re still married as far as I know. She spoke to NBC`s "Today Show" about that very issue. Take a look.

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SHELLY STERLING, WIFE OF DONALD STERLING: I really think personally he has dementia.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think some people have a hard time understanding did this happen overnight?

STERLING: No, I don`t think it happened overnight. I think it`s been happening. I mean, he gets crazy and yells and screams and hollers one moment. The next moment he`ll talk about something else.

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PINSKY: That sounds like a progressive neurological condition, Anahita. And if you just saw that Magic Johnson interview, Magic recounted an interview, a specific phone conversation that he had with Sterling that Sterling seemed not to remember at all, yet he remembered going to his beach house 45 years ago, which is very typical of somebody with these cognitive changes.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: Right. You know, I don`t know what the actual medical term may be, whether it`s dementia or whatever you want to call, but clearly, he`s not in his right mind. And when you watch that interview you can see that. He`s in total denial and the only time really that I saw him get emotional, Dr. Drew, is when he was talking about the mistress, the gold digger, V., Vicki, Vanessa or whatever she calls herself.

And he said, you know what, despite everything she`s done I still care about her, I still feel for her. I`m thinking, are you kidding me? This woman literally ruined your life to make a buck or get her 15 seconds of fame or infamy.

She milked you out of millions of dollars and played you like a fool and you feel sorry for her? I mean, once he said that, I realized like he is just not playing with a full deck of cards.

PINSKY: He may have forgotten what he did -- what she did to him --

SCHACHER: But why do we have to make excuses? Yes, with his age, I`m sure that dementia has some part in it, but let`s look at his history. So, is he always had dementia? This is somebody in my opinion that is so entitled that he can`t take accountability.

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PINSKY: So, the personality issues may have been there long term. These racist attitudes may have been there long term, but the recklessness with which they`re being expressed is what we`re responding to.

Next up, is he clueless about how he`s being perceived or as the panel has been suggesting, something more sinister going on here. The behavior bureau is going to take a look at that right after this.

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STERLING: I thought she cared for me. I was stupid. How could I girl care for a man 51 years older? She didn`t or she wouldn`t have released those tapes.

This girl, 100 men could look at her and perhaps wouldn`t even think she`s pretty. She had a way of walking by Neiman Marcus and looking in the window and saying, sweetie, do you think this dress is beautiful? If you are a man, you want to go buy the dress. I made such a mistake.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam.

Both Sterlings say they will keep fighting to retain the Clippers. But they always keep talking and I`m not sure that`s a great idea.

Let`s bring in the behavior bureau. Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, Tiffanie Davis Henry, HLN contributor, psychotherapist, Wendy Walsh, psychologist, author of "The 30-Day Love Detox."

Be a part of our show by tweeting us right now @DrDrewHLN, #behaviorbureau.

Tiffanie, what do you think the wife is doing by saying the husband or ex-husband or whatever he is to her, has dementia?

TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: I think they`re all grasping at straws. I certainly feel like they`re doing whatever they think is the right thing to do but they obviously aren`t consulting with the people that do this for a living. They need some PR, they need somebody to consult with and tell them to shut up and sit down, have several seats because they don`t need to say anything else.

PINSKY: Tiffanie, let me ask you. I don`t think I`ve heard your opinion. Do you buy the idea that he might have hypo-frontality? The frontal lobes aren`t working, or he has minimal cognitive change, or early dementia.

We`ve heard him not remember recent phone conversations. We`ve heard about emotional outbursts, impairment of judgment. We have him with poor executive function where he`s saying things that are outrageous and doesn`t understand what the impact is on other people.

Do you buy dementia or something like that?

HENRY: You know, all the things you mentioned are there and you oftentimes referred to dementia as that Swiss cheese where some things are there, some things are not. With him, it doesn`t seem like he grasps the severity of the situation. You know, he doesn`t go in there and take full responsibility for everything he says. He`s got to blame Magic for not doing enough for the black community which has nothing to do with anything, and he blames that girl for baiting him and blames the media for making a mountain out of a mole hill.

And what he`s actually done is showing and proving to us all why he shouldn`t be forgiven and why he should not own the team. So, it`s really hard to take his side here the more that he talks. But I do feel sorry for the guy because it does seem like something ain`t quite right of him.

PINSKY: And, Judy, I think you would agree with that. There may be some pre-existing narcissism that he doesn`t appreciate other people`s feelings and response, but there really seems to be something wrong here.

And, by the way, it doesn`t excuse the racist attitudes. Now you get to see how this guy really thinks but, boy, something ain`t right.

JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right, Dr. Drew, as you mentioned. You know, he has some preexisting narcissism, which is why the things that come out of his mouth are so much more offensive than maybe other people who might have this hypo-frontality, or dementia, or whatever you have it.

But when you look at his behaviors in this interview, and when you look at his demeanor, there`s something really, really strange about it. You know, he is kind of grasping at straws --

PINSKY: Trying to understand things. He can`t understand stuff. He can`t connect the dots.

HO: Loose associations, tangentiality, even just getting out words. It seems like when he first starts a sentence, it`s kind of difficult for him and that`s happened multiple times throughout the interview.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: I don`t know, you guys. Yes. I do think there`s some sort of dementia here. I`m not a doctor. I`m saying it because of his age.

But I think the reason why we`re seeing him not connect the dots is because his whole life, he`s been able to talk himself out of situations or buy himself out of situations and not take accountability.

PINSKY: All true but the reason it`s spiraling out of control is because of his biological condition.

But, Wendy, I save something special for you. Sterling said at one point he thought he understood women. What do you have to say about that?

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I think in the context of somebody who`s so much older, in a certain generation, with traditional gender roles, he understood a kind of woman from 50 years ago, the kind of woman that extracts resources from a man and shuts up. And he didn`t prepare himself for the fact that there would be a woman half a century younger than him of a different social class --

PINSKY: Wait, say that again. That`s impactful.

WALSH: Half a century younger than him.

PINSKY: Wow, that does say a lot. I got to tell you.

WALSH: With a different set of beliefs and values coming from a different ethnicity, from a different social class. Remember, the higher the income in a household, the more traditional the gender roles tend to be.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, sorry, Wendy, can you just make sense of all this?

PINSKY: I want to bring it home. I really think that anyone had an excellent point and the behavior bureau outlined what`s really going on which is this man probably had some pre-existing narcissistic personality structure. No harm, no foul. I mean, to be around sometimes, but a lot of people have that, successful people have that.

He had some horrible racist attitudes that he had never really recognized in himself but we are seeing clearly and unfortunately because the frontal lobe that normally contains those sort of impulses, the private thoughts and behaviors, appropriate social functioning, ain`t working so well.

So, all that comes out. He has short-term memory problems. Yes, Magic Johnson talked about how he had a specific phone conversation a week or two ago.

He seems to have no recollection of that and yet he can remember visiting him four years ago or 10 years ago, whatever it was, and that is a sign of some significantly called cognitive dysfunction. It might be early dementia, minimal cognitive change and then mood liability and emotional outbursts. It all adds up to trouble.

It doesn`t excuse the attitudes. They`re long-standing and we should appropriately sit in judgment of those belief systems. But, boy, how harsh are we to be on a guy that has a biological problem.

Next up, a viral video of a mentality ill man and a deadly confrontation with the cops. Back after this -- oh, it`s just a terrible, oh, this one makes me uncomfortable.

We`ll get into it after this.

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OFFICER: Michael? Hey, if you don`t open the door, we`re going to kick it in. Michael, you want to do this the easy way, don`t make us do it the hard way.

OFFICER: He`s got a knife. He`s got a knife. He`s got a knife.

OFFICER: Stay down, stay down, stay down!

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PINSKY: Back with Sam and the behavior bureau. Judy, Tiffanie and Wendy, and that video was released by the man`s family, had over 10,000 YouTube views. The gentleman in the bathroom was a paranoid schizophrenic. He had threatened to kill himself.

We have more of the tape which we`ve edited for time and to make it watchable, because I`ll tell you, I watched the whole thing and it`s frankly unwatchable. It`s so sad. It`s a graphic, tragic ending and we`re going to play you our version of it now.

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OFFICER: Tase him. Tase him now. Tase him now!

OFFICER: Do not do it. Do you hear me? I do not want to shoot you. I do not want to shoot you.

OFFICER: Drop the knife, drop the knife.

OFFICER: He`s going to throw it. He`s going to throw it. Watch out!

OFFICER: Let the knife go. Let the knife go. We`re trying to help you. Let the knife go. I don`t want to shock you again.

OFFICER: Stop!

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PINSKY: I get chocked on this. There were bullets flying. We took that piece out. You can imagine how gruesome this.

An internal investigation and a grand jury cleared the deputies of wrongdoing. The family says this was murder, and they alleged they never saw a knife and they would like a federal investigation. This breaks my heart.

Listen, I`m a very -- I support law enforcement but they`re not necessarily trained to deal with acutely, severely mentally unstable. (INAUDIBLE) patients decompensated. There`s ways to deal with them that don`t end like this.

HENRY: Right. The family did call and say -- you know, look, this is a person with schizophrenia, can you please come help. He`s barricaded himself in the bathroom. He wants to harm himself, wants to kill himself.

They should have known at that point that they needed to proceed with caution. Dr. Drew, if you remember Antoinette Huff (ph) who was a young -- the woman that talked with a guy who came into the school with the gun, he was mentally ill as well, and she took a very different approach.

She was not trained either in how to handle the situation but she talked to him calmly. She to de-escalate the situation and got him to calm down. And that takes a lot of time and a lot of patience and sometimes I don`t think the officers want to take that route. They kind of go with what they know, and this is what happens unfortunately.

PINSKY: Judy, I`m sure you`d agree. Let`s explain to people what paranoid schizophrenia is. It comes on in young adulthood. It`s a thought disorder where people think strange things.

They believe -- they`re going to have delusions about who they are, delusions of grandeur, they got a paranoid delusions, think people are out to get them. They can have ideas of reference and believe people are listening to their thoughts and have visual and auditor hallucinations.

HO: That`s right, Dr. Drew. And so, this paranoid schizophrenia subtype really deals with two main symptoms, and one of them is auditory hallucinations, which you mentioned, and also delusions, this kind of different way of thinking where they actually start to manipulate objects and thoughts to think something else is going on.

Paranoid schizophrenics oftentimes, too, will have kind of a global team to some of their delusions and hallucinations. So, they always have like a certain idea.

PINSKY: But they`re paranoid and you can imagine somebody who shows up who actually is trying to hurt them, and the paranoia is still justified.

Wendy, please?

WALSH: Can I please diagnose the cops now? They`re charging full of testosterone and adrenaline at that moment. They`re having a fight or flight reflex but they`re trained to fight, not flight.

They see the worst of the world every day of their lives, the underbelly of life. I`m not defending these cops by any means. I`m just explaining that they were on their own high, if it will, of testosterone.

And then, they had the brotherhood with them. There were a number of police officers, so if one is tough, the other has got to be tougher because they`re all together.

PINSKY: Wendy, I`m not going to let you blame testosterone on this one. I have enough circulating in my system not to be a part of that fact. Still --

SCHACHER: When you see that police officer -- I`m with you, Wendy. When you see that police officer at the end of the footage, he is distraught. He cannot believe what just happened.

And I do want to note that this department now, they have educated their deputies on how to deal with situations just like this as well as put together a task force to go in and deal with mental health people like this.

PINSKY: The sad thing is that something like this had to happen in order for them to do so. I`m telling you it doesn`t have to happen. Any of us can learn how to deal with situations like this.

They are dangerous, let`s not be Pollyanna about this. He had a knife. He was trying to harm himself. He could have harmed the officers. It could have happened.

But it didn`t have to go down the way it did. No one had to die. No one had to get hurt. And a show of force, many people there, but people de-escalating them with that show of force rather than agitating them with a show of force can take things in an entirely different directions.

All right. Next up, it`s the elevator fight seen around the world. You`ll see it again and we`ll get into it. There are the players. We`ll get a body language expert to tell us what she thinks happened this in that elevator, after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did Jay-Z do?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wait a minute. Jay-Z, Beyonce, I would say squeaky clean couple.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Solange on the other hand, you know, she`s different. She`s a little more rambunctious. She likes to buck the system. She`s like the Latoya Jackson of the family, if you will.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have never seen Solange raise her voice or be aggressive. I mean, she`s a mother. She`s 27, really cool.

JUDY HO: Beyonce`s reaction, what do you expect from her? She`s got to protect her image and her money maker.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Neither of them are going to speak on Twitter or on Instagram, neither will release an official statement. They want this to just go away.

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PINSKY: We`re back with Sam and they may be the most intensely private celebrity couple but now, their family issues has its own hashtag on Twitter. Hashtag what jay-z said to Solange? That`s right. But now, you`ve seen this video of a woman who fears to be Solange Knowles at her brother- in-law Jay-Z, inside an elevator with a body guard there to hold her back, thank goodness, and a woman we think is Beyonce, staying completely out of the fray. Let`s get the panel together here. We`ve got Anahita, Segun, Michelle and joining us on the phone, the human lie detector, Janine Driver. Janine, tell us what are you seeing from a body language standpoint?

JANINE DRIVER, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, I got to tell you, Dr. Drew. I got to give a standing ovation for Jay-Z, because I think he handled it with class. If someone was trying to kick me in my private and punch me and smack me, I don`t know, I think I would have given them a right hook. He has his arm down, he`s got to calm down gem of Boston girl, you know, little muscle. He`s got a calm down gesture. And this is what she believes to, Dr. Drew, that what happens is they come into the room and they go, police, on the ground! This is, listen, back-off. We also -- we don`t see two different aggressive behaviors. We often see, what confrontations, but we know it`s gonna get physical on both sides, which is, we don`t see him pull his chin in, almost like a bull ready to fight. We don`t see that. And we don`t see the chin up like, oh yeah, what are you going to do about it, reactions getting up.

PINSKY: Janine, but I do see Beyonce sort of downtrodden, like looking down a little bit. She`s really like surprisingly sort of out of it. Just like -- just looking almost embarrassed. Do you see that or am I just reading something that`s not there.

DRIVER: Well, I`ve got to tell you, I`ve watched it 50 times, Dr. Drew, and I`m like, all right. One of two things is popping up for me with Beyonce`s nonverbal here. One, either she sees this all the time, happened before.

PINSKY: Right. Right.

DRIVER: I`m the oldest of three girls, believe me. I know what sisters fight means.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, DR. DREW ON CALL CO-HOST: I dear you, Janine.

PINSKY: Jeanine representing southie. Come on now.

DRIVER: Yeah. I`m an Irish catholic girl from Boston. But also -- or Beyonce, what could be happening is here, maybe she feels like Jay-Z, you put your foot in your mouth, it`s all you, buddy. When my husband stirs the pot with my brother-in-laws or my sisters and my husband is stirring the pot, he`s a democrat and I`m an independent and they get into politics, I look at my husband, I go good luck. You called it on. Goodluck.

PINSKY: Michelle, I see you nodding your head. What are you thinking?

MICHELLE FIELDS: When I see this, I think Jay-Z did something pretty terrible. The fact that Beyonce just seems completely checked out as if she is saying, yeah, you deserve it, Jay-Z. That`s the impression that I get. At one point in the video she`s fixing her sister`s train of her dress. It`s as if she`s on the side of the sister. I think that Jay-Z did something and Solange just sisterly instincts kicked in, and she`s defending her sister and Beyonce`s thanking her.

PINSKY: Sam, I understand there are some details emerging at what might have precipitated including people looking at Solange`s history, where she has got some stuff going on.

SCHACHER: Yeah, well, first, if you look at Solange`s Instagram account, there`s a number of pictures -- the majority of the pictures that featured Beyonce with her are deleted. So, that`s something to take note, and according to the New York Daily News which we cannot confirm, they claim that Solange was upset because Jay-Z was going to go to Rihanna`s after party, after the Standard Hotel`s after party. So, that`s like the after, after party technically without Beyonce and was upset and apparently tensions were high because earlier on in the night, Solange`s friends I guess crashed this after party at the Standard Hotel, dropping Jay-Z`s name. We can`t confirm that.

PINSKY: Now, lots of people are tweeting me (inaudible) and saying that they find comfort in the fact that Beyonce and Jay-Z have issues just like us, just like people magazine. They`re just like us. All right. What say you, Segun?

SEGUN ODUOLOWU: Well, Dr. Drew, it just saddens me. First of all, forget the artist, this is the greatest silent movie, and deserved an Oscar on its own, because I would have love to hear the audio on this. But what saddens me is just what you said, that Jay-Z and Beyonce have cultivated an image of class and almost that fairytale prince and princess type of working relationship and to see this for their family to be exposed like this. First of all, shame on the Standard Hotel. What`s your security like? That`s horrible. But what Jay-Z did in that, I have to respect the fact that when Chris Brown put his hands on Rihanna, Jay-Z was very vocal about domestic violence and how you should never put your hands on a woman, and here we have visual evidence of him doing exactly what he preaches. So, whatever he might be guilty of, we don`t know.

PINSKY: It`s not domestic violence.

ODUOLOWU I think it`s irresponsible, just start speculating, but this man kept his cool when someone around him was absolutely melting down.

PINSKY: But Anahita, I`m out of time but I just want to give you just a quick comment from you about the fact that we live in a time, now, where people are slipping tape recorders under private conversations, and recording phone conversations, elevator rides are becoming public social media events. What`s going on here? Is there a problem? Do we have to police this? What are we gonna do?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR: There`s no semblance of privacy anymore. That`s exactly what I thought we just talked about Donald Sterling and how a private conversation he had in his house got played for the entire world, and this is the same situation here. It seems like everyone, I mean, we just have lost our expectation of privacy. People want to make money, and I absolutely think the hotel needs to find out which employee did this. They need to terminate him right away.

PINSKY: I bet they`re not going to be able to find out.

Next up, Alec Baldwin is arrested, allegedly for riding a bike. We`ll find out whether that`s all to this story. Back after this.

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam. And Alec Baldwin`s anger issues appear to be showing again. Take a look at these photos from in touch weekly. A cop stopped him for riding his bike apparently the wrong way down a street and then they stopped him and he didn`t have I.D. Something happened. The cops handcuffed him. A lot of F bombs started coming out and at the pressing(ph), Baldwin is allege of shouted, quote, how old are these officers, they don`t even know who I am. Michelle, Judy are back, also I`ve got my buddies here at SiriusXM radio host and author Jason Ellis, who joins us. Thank you, Jason. Alec tweeted, New York City is a mismanaged carnival of stupidity that is desperate for revenue, and anxious to criminalize behavior once thought benign. He also proclaim that New York cops do nothing in response to the paparazzi is trying -- his wife in bating(ph), something he`s been complaining about for a long time. Michelle, do you think he has a point here?

FIELDS: I absolutely do. I mean, I think the fact that he`s riding on the wrong side of the street or whatever. That`s ridiculous. Why does he need to show I.D.? I think it`s stupid. However, when you are Alec Baldwin and you love Bill De Blasio and Michael Bloomberg, you can`t complain. This is what you ask for. So, don`t get mad and throw a hissy fit. You need to go to anger management classes.

PINSKY: Well, Sam, it doesn`t make sense to me. I mean, the New York cops are notorious for allowing people to jay walk on the streets -- he doesn`t walk.

SCHACHER: Yeah. We were just there and I jay walked left and right, and I never got cited.

PINSKY: There`s got to be something that goes on more.

SCHACHER: Here`s -- there is something more going on. Here`s the thing, and this is what really pisses me off about Alec Baldwin. And I wanted Alec Baldwin. I like him as an actor, but he seems like a real ass. Sorry. So, he took to his twitter account and said I got arrested for riding my bike in the opposite direction. No, you got cited for that. You got arrested because you were belligerent. You were rude. You`re uncooperative. You were disrespectful. That`s why. You`re not above the law. And you needed to take it down a notch and I`m sick of him also always blaming the paparazzi. If you weren`t such a jerk, perhaps he wouldn`t be such an easy target.

PINSKY: All right. Judy.

HO: Well, Sam, we`ve talked about that, Alec Baldwin, you know, the world is a stage for his narcissism. We know that already. But I actually think he`s a male borderline.

PINSKY: Oh, you guys. I`m not gonna allows this. I`m not going to allow you to just crucify my buddy.

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HO: Let me make my point. You got to let me finish this. I`m not trying to attack him.

PINSKY: All right. Make your point.

HO: I just see the behavior patterns, because he`s really intense in his romantic relationships. They tend to be short-lived. Everybody else is always to blame. He always gets inappropriately angry. This is how male borderlines express. They`re a little bit different. They`re being a borderline.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Hang on. Let me bring in a male borderline in, Jason, let`s defend ourselves, come on now. Here`s a male borderline, and at and so are you I guess, so let`s defend Alec.

JASON ELLIS: I got an angle. PINSKY: Yeah?

ELLIS: Yeah. I think he works with the media and this is all fake so that he can do bigger credit card commercials.

PINSKY: You really believe that? Come on now.

FIELDS: That is very bad.

ELLIS: Why would anybody give him a ticket? You can`t get a ticket from riding. You don`t go to jail for riding a bicycle, especially when you are him. There`s no way they would all know -- it`s a setup. He get always in trouble. He can never be that dumb. He can never be that angry all the time. You`re rich.

FIELDS: He`s probably just mad that Beyonce is hugging all the spotlight.

PINSKY: You guys, listen. Wait a minute. I`m going to say -- and ,Judy, bear up with me on this. There are certain disorders that are about outbursts that aren`t necessarily about character functioning, right? And he seems to have anger outbursts and otherwise functions very well. And I would say -- Michelle, you said anger management. I think more mindful meditation, T.M. or.

HO: This is chronic. This is a chronic problem which is why it`s more of a personality pattern than somebody who needs anger management on one thing he may doesn`t like.

PINSKY: When Jason does stuff like this.

HO: This is a man who`s (inaudible) that his child and cost at her and called her a little pig, an 11-year-old. I mean, this man has problems, and he needs help before he hurts someone.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

PINSKY: I think it`s those outbursts that we`re talking about, I really do, because if you think about the rest of the functioning, there`s a lot of very appropriate -- the relationships aren`t short-lived. They`re long. They`re maybe.

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SCHACHER: What?

PINSKY: That may be a little dramatic. I`ll give you that, Judy, but the outbursts are really where the heat is.

SCHACHER: How many more outbursts does he have to have then? Enough of this.

FIELDS: We`re only seeing the ones he does publicly. We don`t know what he does behind closed doors. HO: Good point.

ELLIS: Isn`t it tough to fight police?

PINSKY: Yes.

ELLIS: He`s not a coward at least.

PINSKY: He`s not a coward. I will leave him that.

Next, a woman becomes -- this is a very interesting video. I want you guys al look at it. It`s a woman who becomes violent on a train. It`s a video that many of you are talking about. Reminding you, you can find us any time in Instagram @DrDrewHLN. When we`re back, we`ll show you that video after this.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam and as I promised we have some raw, unverified video to show you. It`s a woman on the train who attacks a fellow passenger. People are saying things like this woman was possessed or maybe it`s fake. It was uploaded to Facebook and then went viral. We`re not sure if this is act or if this is real footage or somebody put her up to this. I`m going to have everyone here and you decide. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Whoa. (GRUNTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa, whoa, chill, chill, chill. Whoa, (BLEEP). Hey, hey, hey, she`s probably possessed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, hey, stop. Stop. Oh, my god!

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PINSKY: All right, that man and the woman were each fined $500 for fighting in public. Back with us Judy, Jason and Tiffanie. I sort in rapture with every time I watch that video I just got lost in it. Jason, do you believe that that it`s real or fake?

ELLIS: I believe it`s real. I believe that she is -- that video is actually -- she looks very normal right before the transformation. I believe there`s some kind of demon that actually enters her body and I don`t really care about -- I don`t want her in my metal band or I don`t want to start a cigarette company with her, but the demon that`s in her, I definitely think it would be a great band and I look forward to backing her up.

PINSKY: Again, we`ve got some Australian focus anthropology playing out here. Tiffanie, help us with this, what do you think this is?

TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D.: You know, I actually thought that it was kind of fake at the beginning of the video, which you didn`t show here, she`s just randomly looking through her purse. And I do that when I`m on the subway. I`ll probably do that on my way home tonight. It`s what people do and then you see this turn of her kind of getting that demonic possessed look. So, my question is, if this is fake -- if it`s real, what was the point of even taping it at the beginning. It`s the kind of thing that you would tape starting in the middle, kind of where we press play here. If it`s real, like, what was the point of even taping her and looking through her purse?

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Let`s make note of what, Jason, just said. The demon was in her purse. The demon came out from the purse.

ELLIS: She opened it and then she got possessed. OK. Well, let`s go back to what actually happened.

SCHACHER: Tiffanie, I agree with you, when I first saw it I thought that was the case, like why did the bystander just start filming her randomly. However, there is another video that he surface of that same bystander who put it -- of the video up prior and she was demonstrating some real weird behavior right before it, too. And that`s why he started filming. So, that`s when I changed my mind about, wow, maybe this is real. So, what would make somebody act that way, Dr. Drew?

OK. Judy, bear me up on this. It`s what we call a psychotic disorder, it could be drugs. It could be methamphetamine, even could be a bipolar episode but probably a schizophrenic episode, severe psychosis where people are seeing things. And they`re out of -- They really have no idea where they are and what`s going on. Imagine you were -- the way I try to explain to people is that imagine you were in a dream and you were dreaming but you were walking through a reality and responding to things that were in your dream. That`s the way a schizophrenic is trying to manage reality. And they can look and seem possessed. They can seem very bizarre. Judy, anything else to add to that.

HO: That`s absolutely what I see here. And you see that she`s in a delirious state. And I see the attack and hallucinations, too. Do you see them in the beginning, the prep video where she`s like batting at something on her hair and batting at something on her skin, and so, you can see it actually leading up to that aggressive moment. I actually believe that it`s probably a combination of schizophrenia and probably some drugs in due of the state.

PINSKY: The attack hallucination from fornication, where the Latin word for ants like you`re getting ants off of you. All right. Well, there you go that.

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ELLIS: No one is going for the demon in the purse?

PINSKY: Well, I think, Jason, it will make a good movie. I appreciate the color commentary, but I think it`s somebody with a real serious mental illness. And the fact is these things get better with medication. It`s difficult, however, to get schizophrenics sometimes to take their medication because of the side effects, but you can see how unpleasant it can be to walk through life -- and they come in outbursts. They come in waves, just like we`re saying happens where it gets worse and worse sometimes and that when they get hospitalized and they can come back and they can function well for long periods of time.

HO: But sometimes their voices will tell them not to take their medications. That`s also.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Hallucinations, tell them (inaudible) Next up, another video you got to see to believe. Two drug suspects making out in a police car to pass meth back and forth. Two dudes. Jason, maybe you and I can act this out.

SCHACHER: You`re going to re-enact it?

PINSKY: Yeah. I think we should. What do you think?

ELLIS: I`m in.

PINSKY: Stay with us. We`ll get into it after this

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is Timothy Public. He was arrested for felony warrants, but check out that white baggy in his mouth. Police tell me it was full of meth. He`d been arrested. The driver (inaudible) placing him in the back seat. According to the video, Buck(ph) tells Public he doesn`t want him to die by eating all of that meth. So, the two decide to exchange the drugs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to have to be gay for a second. It`s nasty bro, I`m telling you. Do you want to try it? Suck some of your saliva off it and I will.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s when the two of them kiss.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my god, sick.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`d swallow them if I was you, dude. Don`t suck on them, swallow them, homey.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Judy, Jason and Tiffanie. Those you man swallowed a total of three 8 balls of meth between them. They were taken to a hospital because, Jason, once they had made out and transferred the drugs, they realized they had ingested a massive amount -- there it is a methamphetamine and would be absorbed into their system, a dangerous -- and they told the cops what they had done.

ELLIS: That`s what happens when you do meth. You kind of do silly things right after.

PINSKY: Yeah, I think when you are doing meth you`re not in your right mind.

ELLIS: I don`t get the big deal about making out. You and me make out all the time. We`re either making out or fighting each other. Did you see what we did on Instagram? He choked me.

PINSKY: I refused to choke you because I`m a physician. How did you edited that down? I`m afraid to see what you deal with it.

ELLIS: Yeah. You should probably not go to @wolfmate on Instagram.

SCHACHER: Was that foreplay.

ELLIS: I don`t want to get into it.

(CROSSTALK)

HO: Let`s talk about these two guys here, because that was not an Oscar worthy performance. They looked like they were disgusted by each other. So, I don`t think the police even needed the audio from this cam to be able to actually see what they were up to, because they just looked like they didn`t want to be anywhere near each other.

PINSKY: There it is.

HO: You can see the baggy in his mouth.

SCHACHER: Who eats all that meth? What would have happened if he wasn`t rushed to the hospital? Would he have died?

PINSKY: It`s hard to overdose on meth. You can. You can have a cardiovascular overload and you`re gonna have cardiac arrhythmias that can be dangerous. What`s that, Jason?

ELLIS: Couldn`t you break the bag with the hands behind your back, and break it on the back of your pants and then pee your pants?

SCHACHER: What?

PINSKY: I`m trying to follow you.

ELLIS: Like if the guy passes it back to my back hands because I got handcuffs, then I rip the bag and put it down the back of my pants and then I pee my pants in the car.

PINSKY: You dissolve it.

ELLIS: Yeah.

PINSKY: I see, genius, I tell you.

ELLIS: I`m not going to jail.

HO: creative advisement for people who are trying to get away with it.

PINSKY: At first, I`ve never seen on, Tiffanie, before. Go ahead, Tiffanie.

HENRY: Well, I just thank God that they were dumb enough to talk about it and to do all this in the police car and they were dumb enough not to notice that the cameras were there and that there was audio. Because they could have -- you know, this could have ended really, really tragically and the fact that they were talking about it actually saved their lives, I think.

PINSKY: I think that`s a possibility.

HENRY: Kudos to you, Derrick and Timothy for being dumb as rocks. Thank you.

PINSKY: Judy, is that if for you?

HO: You know, I just look at these two guys and I just think about how crazy drugs can drive a person. That they think this is a good idea and risk their lives by swallowing all of these drugs.

PINSKY: I think that`s what, Jason, was just telling.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: Well, listen. Let me kind of review what we went through tonight here a little bit. A lot about how our privacy is now very much affected by social media. Everything is potentially public. And what does that mean? What does it mean when we have all become, one of those thought police, where things that we`re entitled to think under the constitution, no matter how onerous, now result in people losing their property. And we talked a lot tonight about Sterling and his possible brain disorder. Pretty much a consensus that a lot of what we`re seeing is inexcusable, these are things that he thinks but we`re hearing about it in ways that are disorganized and inappropriate because of a deteriorating brain where he has hypofrontality and can`t contain his impulses. All right. Let`s give the police DVRS that watch us anytime. The Forensic Files is next. Tonight, two people witness a woman`s murder but the suspect doesn`t resemble the description of him. It`s the Forensic Files. Again, we`ll continue to follow the Sterling story, be sure you`re gonna not see it watch Anderson`s interview with Magic Johnson. That`s worthy. And also, check out me and Jason Ellis at -- what`s the website, Jason?

ELLIS: @wolfmeth, where you strangled me.

PINSKY: Forensic Files, right now.

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