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Did 12-Year-Olds Stab Friend 19 Times?

Aired June 04, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the "Slenderman" obsession. These two girls may have stabbed someone 19 times to impress a fantasy character.

How many others are infatuated with the Internet meme? We`ll talk to one of them in the behavior bureau.

Plus, someone hired to prevent sexual assault on an Army base accused of running a prostitution ring.

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Welcome, everybody.

I am with my co-host Samantha Schacher, and you`re going to see stuff here tonight that you will not see anywhere else.

We`re going to dig into that story of the 12-year-olds who stabbed their friend. We`re going to help you understand why that happened, how could that happen, how we could prevent it and what this obsession is all about. We`re going to dig into it deep.

But coming up, we got a bride-to-be on the side of the road killed by a truck driver who`s watching porn on his cell phone. Look at this poor girl.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Yes, such a tragic story. And I think you`re going to be surprised to hear my thoughts on this later.

PINSKY: Really? It`s OK to watch porn?

SCHACHER: No, no, no, no, I have very strong thoughts on this. I have a solution.

PINSKY: All right. Fair enough.

First, it is back to those two 12-year-old girls. They are not yet teenagers but facing adult punishments for allegedly stabbing their friend, so-called, 19 times. They almost killed her. But for the grace of God, she crawled on to a road where a bicyclist found her. Cops say they did it to meet the nonexistent Internet meme "Slenderman".

Take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we`ve heard is that my younger sister, Morgan, and (AUDIO DELETED) were all going to go down to David`s Park.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the park bathroom where they initially wanted to kill their friend but they got nervous, they started fighting and arguing. They decided then to do it by playing hide and seek in the woods right down this way.

Weier telling the police that Geyser did all the stabbing, Geyser telling police they both did the stabbing. They left their friend for dead, hoping that they could then see "Slenderman".

DISPATCHER: Do you see where the wounds are?

CALLER: No, I don`t know if I should be rolling her over and checking or not.

Am I bothering you at all? Not what you need? OK. You`ve been very calm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As far as all their Internet sites, obviously, we`re doing the computer forensic evidence of their computers and such, so I would assume that it will turn out to be more than just Creepy Pasta.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser were found walking near the interstate. They later told police they planned to walk to "Slenderman`s" mansion after the crime.

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PINSKY: Bizarre. (AUDIO GAP) Eiglarsh, from speaktomark.com. Vanessa Barnett, social commentator, host of hiphollywood.com. And Leeann Tweeden, social commentator, host of "The Tomboys" podcast on Blog Talk Radio.

CNN`s Miguel Marquez have been talking to people in the area.

Miguel, how are people in the community reacting?

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Well, they are reacting with fear and concern. At the school, alone, a lot of parents have kept their students out of school until all this blows over, until they make sure that no other students are involved to the degree that these young women were.

PINSKY: Are they? Are there other kids, Miguel, following this "Slenderman" dude?

MARQUEZ: Everybody that we speak to, the parents know their kids know about "Slenderman" and a lot of other characters that are equally bizarre and interesting and weird and creepy. The kids all read this stuff.

I mean, parents may not -- kids definitely know it. It`s 101 for them. It`s just fun, it`s creepy, it`s weird. These girls, though, took it to another degree and that`s what has people really concerned here.

PINSKY: Thanks, Miguel. Your phone is breaking up a little bit.

I want to go to Mark.

Mark, I haven`t heard what you`ve got to say about this story yet.

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Well, I asked my son and my nephew tonight, I was surprised that they both not only knew about this Web site, but knew about "Slenderman" and read these stories and apparently the worst thing that`s supposed to happen to stable kids is they get nightmares. That`s it.

SCHACHER: Exactly, Mark.

EIGLARSH: This is not about "Slenderman". This is not about these Web sites.

You don`t ban Harry Potter because some unstable knuckle head jumps off a building on a broom stick erroneously thinking he or she can fly. Let`s not attack the source. Let`s look at these kids and figure out why they`re doing it.

SCHACHER: Absolutely. They`re sinister, Mark. No different from when we were kids and we were into Freddy Krueger, or pet cemetery, or playing Bloody Mary. It`s no different. Yes, kids can get interested in really scary things, but it doesn`t mean you`re going to go out there and commit murder, your friend at that, premeditated murder.

PINSKY: And, Leeann, you`re shaking your head, nodding your head yes. I -- we had people yesterday saying, oh, no, it was the Website sucking them into an environment where they couldn`t tell reality from fantasy.

SCHACHER: Come on.

PINSKY: Yes, I thought that was bizarre, too.

But go ahead. Leeann?

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Look, 12-year-olds today are not like 12-year-olds say, 10 years ago. I think with the advent of social media where it`s instantaneous, where they can all sort of piggyback on each other and talk about these characters, and then they start talking about them in first person.

Now, if we looked at some of the Web sites posting stories about parents of these two young girls, you see one of the girls, I forget which one it was, but her parents were into gothic stuff. They were in skulls and cross bones, because just because you`re into skulls and crossbones, doesn`t mean you`re going to murder people.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

TWEEDEN: But I do think it takes parents to observe -- the one dad saw his daughter draw a crayon, you know, "Slenderman" on a napkin. But he posted it on Instagram.

So, what else his daughter supposed to think other than, well, dad`s validating me, he supports me it and lets her go down the rabbit hole?

PINSKY: Right. And, Vanessa, my fear is she was having serious symptoms, this is my friend, "Slenderman", I saw him last night in my room. She was actually hallucinating about him. Dad, mom, you`re so funny, way to go.

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Right, absolutely.

SCHACHER: We don`t know that.

BARNETT: Actually, I think a lot of people want to attribute this to some mental issue or something that they have not yet proven. I think what it is, is very clear in front of us, they did get sucked into the story. It`s not the Web site`s fault.

PINSKY: Oh!

BARNETT: But I believe they got sucked in just as if I believed candy man was real. I believed if you said his name in the mirror 13 times or however many times, he would actually show up behind you.

But I think what we have here is a bit of arrested development. At a certain age, you don`t believe those stories anymore. And you snap into reality.

PINSKY: But, Vanessa, you`re listing another biological explanation, somebody who makes these assessments, I will tell you it`s not simply arrested development. Morgan particularly is giving symptoms, she`s got them.

I`ll say it again, I said it last night. Anyone can comes into the hospital with symptoms described as Morgan described them, they`d be put in a psychiatric hospital.

Sam, your point -- I`ve got to go to break. But your point is she`s making it up to protect herself against being prosecuted for a murder, right?

SCHACHER: Right. But here`s the thing, Dr. Drew. If she premeditated this, that means she would have had these symptoms for months. She would have had delusions for months.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: You`re telling me nobody noticed, not a neighbor, not a parent, nobody? Come on.

PINSKY: And they can be mild and they progress. That`s the question. Were these parents asleep at the wheel?

EIGLARSH: Sam, we don`t know --

PINSKY: Mark, finish your thought.

EIGLARSH: We don`t know what our kids are looks at all the time.

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EIGLARSH: I wouldn`t know if my kid was watching this stuff.

SCHACHER: I`m not blaming the parent.

PINSKY: I`m not -- oh, Mark, you may be asleep at the wheel, yourself, my friend. Get you to monitor your kids` Internet practices.

EIGLARSH: I don`t have to work. I have to come on your show. Watch my kids 24/7.

PINSKY: Next up, we`re bringing in the behavior bureau, and more from one of the girl`s brothers, up after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Emily Edwards used to baby sit Morgan Geyser just a couple years ago.

EMILY EDWARDS: I remember her as a sweet little kid. It`s like she`s grown up and she`s stabbing people. Her parents are very protective of her, and honestly, I think what happened is, you know, she`s a good girl.

PINSKY: Anissa remains a mystery. I cannot understand her.

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PINSKY: And I don`t know about her being a good girl. I`m back with Sam trying to figure out what was going on with both of these girls. I want to bring in our behavior bureau.

Let`s bring in Judy Ho, clinical psychologist. Evy Poumpouras, former special agent, Secret Service, and Erica America, Z100 Radio personality and psychotherapist.

Erica, Anissa is somewhat less of a mystery tonight. We`re getting information. What do you have?

ERICA AMERICA, Z100 RADIO: Yes. Well, I have -- her brother actually spoke out, did an interview and said he was aware she was into the "Slenderman" character, watching a lot of videos but that there were no red flags according to him.

Now, what he does, he works on a traveling entertainment vaudeville type show, a little odd looking himself. He said she was a happy-go-lucky, intelligent girl. She didn`t seem to keep much about --

PINSKY: Erica?

AMERICA: Yes?

PINSKY: I thought he said that one point she had difficulty distinguishing fantasy and reality. And that was sort of --

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AMERICA: Yes, he could tell that she couldn`t tell between dreams and reality.

PINSKY: Dreams and reality.

AMERICA: Yes. So what I see here is a possibility is some type of shared psychosis between these two girls --

PINSKY: Right.

AMERICA: -- which can happen during adolescence when there`s a lot of isolation, tight-knit groups. There has been stories of shared suicide pacts in the past.

So, something happened between these girls where their thoughts became delusional and didn`t know the difference between reality and --

PINSKY: I agree with you, Erica. I want to check in with Judy. See if she shares that.

We heard Morgan was having what sounds like psychotic symptoms. Do you think we got enough here with Anissa to say that she had trouble with reality versus dream? I`m not sure that`s enough, though it might be enough to make her sort of a good victim for the other one.

JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: Definitely, Dr. Drew.

So I think that there`s actually a bit of a cult mentality here between the two of them. So, if you can picture Morgan as the cult leader, Anissa is kind of like the cult follower and she certainly fits that profile. Somebody who needs a purpose, who might need a lot of validation, has low self-esteem, needs an identity.

And Morgan provided that. This whole "Slenderman" idea provided that for the both of them. And Morgan and her actually have some links together as well, not just that Morgan is more the leader here, but Morgan, herself, probably suffers from some low self-esteem, needs validation, identity as well.

PINSKY: I don`t know, well, OK.

AMERICA: Like borderline personality.

PINSKY: Well, it`s interesting --

HO: No.

PINSKY: Hang on, hang on. I want to bring in someone who actually knew these (AUDIO GAP) Jennifer Cavallier-Smith. She volunteers at the school, knows Anissa.

Anissa, what did you -- I mean, sorry, Jennifer, what did you observe about Anissa?

JENNIFER CAVALLIER, SCHOOL VOLUNTEER (via telephone): She was always -- she was always present in class. She seemed to be a happy girl and she seemed like she was pretty together.

PINSKY: Did you ever worry -- did you ever worry that she was sort of -- did she seem to be talking to herself or responding to internal stimuli?

CAVALLIER: No, not at all.

PINSKY: Isolating in any way? Did she seem socially normal? Did she have outbursts of any type?

CAVALLIER: No, she seemed totally normal and she didn`t have outbursts. She was always helpful and friendly.

SCHACHER: Jennifer, did you know Morgan at all or was it only Anissa who you were familiar with?

CAVALLIER: No.

SCHACHER: Did you know of Morgan?

CAVALLIER: No.

SCHACHER: OK.

PINSKY: And did you know of the "Slenderman", are kids talking about it even now?

CAVALLIER: I know about it from my son. He told me about it.

PINSKY: And are kids staying away from that now, indulging in this? How are they reacting to it? Do you know?

CAVALLIER: I don`t know. My son hasn`t been reading it more now.

PINSKY: OK. Jennifer, thank you --

CAVALLIER: The kids are having a hard time believing it happened.

PINSKY: I bet. I bet. Thank you, Jennifer.

I want to go out now to, back to Evy. Evy, you have something you observe in the dynamic between these two girls.

EVY POUMPOURAS, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Right. Pretty much it`s this. You have the alpha and the sheep, the follower. That`s what you have in this situation. There`s the alpha dog and the sheep, people that follow. That`s how you have cult type mentalities.

Again, the reinforcement of two girls believing this one idea and one reinforcing the other, and in addition to that. Probably, I do agree with you, Dr. Drew, that there is some type of mental condition with the alpha which was Morgan.

PINSKY: Yes.

POUMPOURAS: All that cumulating together is what perpetuated this.

PINSKY: I agree.

SCHACHER: Judy, I have a quick question for you. We haven`t talked at all about this poor victim. What are some of the psychological effects she`s going to now have to endure?

HO: Well, these are two girls that she actually very much trusted.

SCHACHER: Yes.

HO: And they have been spending time together and she followed them into the woods because she trusted them. So, that means she`s going to have a lot of problems going forward trusting other people, whether it`s other teenagers, other adults and having her having to make sense of this, realizing that they actually used her.

It was like she was just an object. There was no relationship.

PINSKY: Judy, she said one of the things she yelled out as the kids were stabbing her is I trusted you.

SCHACHER: And I hate you.

PINSKY: And that`s a violation of her trust. That`s a profound phenomenon for a kid of that age.

Now, my question is, if these kids had not (AUDIO GAP) would they still have gone down some path like this? I agree, Judy, if it had not been "Slenderman", it would have been something else, but I do not understand the appeal of "Slenderman" at all. I don`t understand why kids are infatuated with him.

I`m going to speak to someone who is involved with this character, actually made a movie about it, wrote about him. We`ll get into that after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ve heard stories of kids who fixated on rock music, kids who fixated on video games.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They believed in a fictional evil character called "Slenderman", and essentially wanted to be one of his disciples.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The "Slenderman" is this thin, tall, faceless character.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, the creepy part of the character is in most stories he kills children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both girls were fans of horror Web sites where they were introduced to a fictional character called "Slenderman". They thought he was real and could only meet him if they physically killed someone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In order to gain respect and climb up to his realm, a user must commit murder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They planned to walk to "Slenderman`s" mansion after the crime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is rare that it`s this sort of Internet- created character, may be the first time we`ve seen something like this.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam.

Now, if you have children that are involved with these sorts of bizarre Internet memes and stories, this is of great interest to you. We`re going to break this down and understand it.

Reminder, we`re nearing a milestone on Facebook. Please help us get there by liking us. Find us at the address on your screen. Hopefully right now.

We are talking about the difference between being a fan and being obsessed. Two 12-year-old girls say they were driven to kill because of obsession with the Internet meme "Slenderman".

Now, Judy and Evy are back. Joining us, Heather McDonald, comedian, writer on "Chelsea Lately."

Heather, I`ve not heard your thoughts on this unbelievable story. What are they?

HEATHER MCDONALD, COMEDIAN: I just think it`s so shocking because it`s girls. You know, unfortunately, we`ve seen two boys that have killed their father and we`ve seen this. So, I think it`s girls and it was a friend of theirs, I think that`s what makes it so disturbing.

But I agree with you that I think it takes a lot to take a knife and go back over and over and over again. So, I really don`t think that just being exposed to an internet sensation or this horror thing, something in one of the girls obviously influenced the other. I think both of them have something inside of them --

PINSKY: Yes.

MCDONALD: -- that made it feel OK. And it`s very disturbing. I think that possibly they could be rehabilitated by the time they`re 18. I do. I don`t know.

PINSKY: If it`s mental illness, but then it`s mental illness associated with premeditated violence which is not the usual situation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

PINSKY: And they not only feel like it was okay, probably, they felt in their delusions that they had to. What was it, Judy, they thought their family was going to be killed?

SCHACHER: Morgan had said that. But Morgan also told the police officer she felt no remorse.

PINSKY: She felt justified.

SCHACHER: It`s crazy.

PINSKY: That`s the point. It is crazy.

SCHACHER: It`s sinister.

PINSKY: I hate using a pejorative term, but it`s crazy.

On the phone, I have Mike Diva. He is a filmmaker who runs a popular "Slenderman" page.

Mike, I appreciate you coming here. I know this is -- I heard you feel guilty being associated with this, so I don`t certainly want to make you feel worse about it. Maybe you can help us understand the appeal of "Slenderman", for the average kid. I just don`t get this character even.

MIKE DIVA, FILMMAKER (via telephone): Right. Yes. How`s it going, Drew? Big fan.

I think that really what`s head the "Slenderman" such a big phenomenon is that it`s the first mythological creature to be born from the Internet. I mean, ever since first appearance on something off of forums, the Internet took a liking to it immediately and spread the methos like wildfires through various forms of media, like photoshopped pictures, and videos and short stories.

PINSKY: So, Mike, is it participating in a cultural meme experience?

DIVA: Right.

PINSKY: It happened to catch on and it -- there`s nothing about him particularly, it`s just the behavior of crowd here is what this is?

DIVA: Exactly. Because it`s like our generation`s Blair Witch Project but much more interactive and it`s more evolved due to -- I guess a little bit more dangerous due to being less of an obvious Hollywood fabrication behind it and a legend that`s been growing, evolving for years. I can see how somebody can take that and take it a wrong way. With a little bit of research, you can trace back to its origins. He`s obviously fake.

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PINSKY: It was 2009, right?

SCHACHER: A PhotoShop contest. 2009.

Mike, how many users? Do you have a rough amount of estimate of how many people are actually partaking on the -- whether it`s all these different -- the name is escaping me.

PINSKY: The Creepy Pasta.

SCHACHER: The Creepy Pasta Wiki or creepypasta.com. Do you know how many people are involved with that?

DIVA: Oh, I could give you a rough estimate. It`s huge. It`s involved beyond Creepy Pasta.

SCHACHER: It`s in the millions. Yes.

DIVA: Yes. There`s several YouTube short, you know, series that evolve around this character. And, you know, it`s the same thing as basically reading scary stories at the library when we were kids.

PINSKY: OK.

DIVA: The difference is it`s being written and filmed in a blog or documentary like nature, so there`s less of a blatant line between reality and fiction.

PINSKY: Mike, thank you so much for joining us.

Evy, I want to ask you, is there anything about the obsessional quality that sort of reminds you of stalker mentality a little bit? In the way people get obsessed with this.

Do you have any insight into that? I know you must have had to protect people against these kind of individuals.

POUMPOURAS: You know what, that`s a very good question and good point that you`re making because people do become obsessed. They think because they interact with someone online, or through TV, that they know that person, they become obsessed with that person. That would happen often in my job in my line of work when we protected people.

People would show up to the White House and be like, oh, I need to speak to my father, the president. Oh, Barack`s waiting of me and speak of him in such a way like they knew him. That`s what you have a lot of people become fixated on celebrities, on certain people when there`s a one-way relationship but they can`t comprehend there`s such a thing.

A lot of times it`s to maybe fill a void of what you don`t have going on in your own life to keep you occupied. Looking outside of yourself for something to give you something positive or maybe your own life doesn`t give you satisfaction so you look outwards. I want to point out --

PINSKY: Or -- go ahead, one thing. One thing.

POUMPOURAS: Just one more thing. Think of it this way. There`s a lot of TV shows out there that people become enthralled in and they almost follow these TV shows to a cult. Well, it`s almost kind of the similar concept. The only difference is take that and put it on steroids and now you have what we`re dealing with.

PINSKY: Right, it`s different than following "Walking Dead" or "Game of Thrones." It`s interactive. It has a reality to it separate from the fantasy. This is all fantasy.

What Evy is describing is something called psychotic stalking, which is somebody may have other psychiatric illnesses and the manifestation is through these stalking behaviors. Judy is nodding her head, yes.

Next up, cops say a teacher knew her live-in boyfriend was sexually abusing a minor and she did nothing about it. In fact, she may have participated in it. We`re back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kimberly Honaker was facing new charges. Initially the Apopka middle school teacher was charged with child neglect after police said she allowed her boyfriend, Robert Pruitt to molest a 13-year- old girl inside her Apopka home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Pruitt, were you engaged in inappropriate acts with a 13-year-old?

ROBERT PRUITT: I haven`t seen the charges yet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They say you were molesting a 13-year-old girl at your friend`s house.

PRUITT: I haven`t seen the charges yet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, police believe both of them were in bed with the victim.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was Honaker involved you in the acts?

PRUITT: I`ve known her our whole lifetime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would she do anything like that?

PRUITT: I don`t think so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Pruitt, do you understand where you`re at this morning?

PRUITT: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know you`re in jail?

PRUITT: Uh-huh.

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DR. DREW PINSKY, DR. DREW ON CALL HOST: I`m back with Sam, Mark, Vanessa, Leeann. Take a look at these two, the woman is a middle school teacher, Kimberly. The boyfriend, Robert, whom you saw there in court is Robert. They are married -- not married to one another but they are married to somebody else and she is accused of sexually molesting a 13-year-old. And cops say Kimberly knew about it, did nothing, and in fact, may have participated. Robert`s wife turned him in after she saw Facebook post about the incident. Vanessa, what is he thinking putting something like that on Facebook?

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, DR. DREW ON CALL CO-HOST: Right.

VANESSA BARNETT: It`s disgusting, it is brazen, it is -- it is almost inconceivable that someone feels this bold to commit such a crime and then to have this woman come in -- I almost don`t know who is worse, the man or the woman for them both engaging in this act. And then, to go to social network as if bragging about it like it`s OK.

PINSKY: According to the police report, Kim said, quote, Kim would send the victim to bed while Robert would go to bed with her. Then she would go to bed with her husband and make sure he was asleep. She would then come and get in bed with both the victim and Robert. Mark, I think this guy is -- I think that`s a reason the judge was asking if he knows where he is. There`s something -- you can`t even understand this guy. He`s, like, not connected to reality.

MARK EIGLARSH: No, I can understand him. I`ve defended many like him and there is a place for him assuming everything that they`re saying is true. Especially, since he confessed allegedly. They call that state prison here in Florida. He`ll be a registered sex offender so we`ll always know where he is when he gets out. He will never be able to live within 1,000 feet of where children congregate, and everyone will know his face and keep their children away.

PINSKY: Is this another Florida story, Emily? My producer, help me with this.

EIGLARSH: Stop it. Stop it.

PINSKY: I`m just checking, Mark. I did a Florida story...

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LEEANN TWEEDEN: I appreciate, Mark, telling truth.

EIGLARSH: Stop it.

TWEEDEN: I mean, that`s good for a defense attorney.

PINSKY: Germany or Florida. It`s Florida I bet, but, well, Mark, tells the truth. He just -- when it`s his client, maybe withhold a couple facts or two.

EIGLARSH: Innocent. Innocent.

PINSKY: Leeann, your thoughts?

TWEEDEN: Just disgusting. You know, first of all, we`ve been talking about this, and Sam, tell your mother we`re sorry, mom.

SCHACHER: I know.

TWEEDEN: It`s just that...

SCHACHER: Because she`s a teacher.

TWEEDEN: Right. The stories of these teachers that, what you`re supposed to do is educate young children, I mean, these are the future leaders of America. You`re supposed to protect them. She is a 17-year veteran teacher.

PINSKY: English teacher.

TWEEDEN: I mean, and then, she`s taking, you know, a guy in while her husband is in the other room, meeting up with this other guy, molesting a 13-year-old. What is she think?

PINSKY: There you go.

TWEEDEN: Obviously she`s got the mental problem, too.

PINSKY: And there`s more evidence that things were not well with them neurobiologically shall we say, psychiatrically, when the cops got there, the house was filthy and they were living, Sam, with 20 dogs.

SCHACHER: I know, 20 dogs.

PINSKY: It is Florida. Imagine that. It is Florida. Shocking. Mark, I`m shocked.

SCHACHER: But you know what, thank God...

EIGLARSH: And what...

SCHACHER: Go ahead, Mark.

EIGLARSH: The only thing missing is that police apparently found they were all reading Slender man. Going to blame that on him, too?

SCHACHER: Come on, but thank God for Facebook, because it`s catching dumb disgusting criminals left and right. And I really fear, because this woman is a middle school teacher. I fear that there are other victims out there, because she`s been teaching for quite some time.

PINSKY: She crack down, when she`s...

SCHACHER: It wasn`t her student. But still, if you are going to abuse or participate or even look the other way, who knows if there aren`t any other victims and I hope that if they are, they come forward.

BARNETT: What is she going to receive? Why isn`t she being held...

PINSKY: She is.

SCHACHER: She`s on paid suspension. Paid.

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PINSKY: Wait, wait. Mark, tell me.

EIGLARSH: She`s going bye-bye as well.

PINSKY: That`s what I thought.

EIGLARSH: All for one, one for all. If you just drive the getaway car for the bank robber, you`re as guilty as the person who pulled the trigger. She definitely aided, abetted. She`s a co-conspirator. She goes bye-bye long time, too.

TWEEDEN: Is she in custody right now?

EIGLARSH: No.

PINSKY: Can somebody update me in the sort of control -- I mean is she not in custody? Yeah. She is on custody.

BARNETT: She`s on paid suspension.

PINSKY: No. We saw her -- she`s on paid suspension, she`s in prison. She`s in court -- in jail, anyway. There she is in court. She`s got restraints on.

All right, next up, an army employee -- another extraordinary story. An army employee charged with preventing sexual assault on base, himself, is now accused of running a prostitution ring. Back after this.

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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We have to do everything we can to root this out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s happening now. As army officials investigate a Fort Hood soldier for sexual misconduct.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A soldier there is accused of (inaudible) female soldiers who apparently had money problems then pimping them out to other troops.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A shocking revelation since the soldier was assigned to a position to prevent this behavior.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A woman testified in detail yesterday about sexual encounters with soldiers and said the suspect described it as escorting. The accused soldier was suspended.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Evy, Heather, and Leeann. This story has gotten so much traction that #Fthood is trending on Twitter. The suspended sergeant was a sexual assault prevention officer at Ft. Hood. Sam, what do we know about the woman who blew the whistle?

SCHACHER: Well, she`s a soldier and she`s described as a single mother who is struggling to raise her 3-year-old. Now, according to the documents she alleges the sergeant snapped naked so pictures of her to show potential clients. She admits, she had sex with the sergeant because he wanted to see how she would act out with the clients. And although, she engaged in sexual misconduct, she is being granted immunity in exchange for her testimony.

PINSKY: Are other women coming forward? Is this...

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SCHACHER: I don`t know that. I sure hope so.

PINSKY: I mean, it almost seems too much to be believed. You wonder if somebody -- could it be something -- why don`t you doubt her story? You doubt Morgan and Anissa (ph).

SCHACHER: That`s a good point.

PINSKY: I just wonder.

SCHACHER: I mean, I would hope that that they wouldn`t have had this allegation without maybe some other further evidence.

PINSKY: Here`s what she told a military board today. Quote, basically he was having sex with higher ranking officers for money. He preys on young females who are by at bad financial situations and keeps their pictures on his cell phone. Evy, do you buy this? If so, what`s going on here?

EVY POUMPOURAS: All right. As far as the young woman, I don`t think she should be completely, like, innocent in this. She made a conscious decision to participate in this act regardless of what the financial situation is.

PINSKY: If it`s true, Evy, right? I mean, it`s a possibility she is distorting all this. It`s possible. We don`t have other women stepping forward yet.

POUMPOURAS: Yes, but why would they step forward because they in turn might get in trouble for it. Don`t forget, that this is the military, they go by military rules. This woman was given immunity. So, she`s OK to step forward, but if I`m in the military and I partook and did this, I might think twice because, one, I don`t want to be out there in the media. Who would? And then two, she might be dismissed or have charges against her. So, we may not see other women, Dr. Drew, step forward.

PINSKY: Leeann.

TWEEDEN: You know, I have to disagree with, Evy, a little bit there just in the fact that -- and look, full disclosure, I`m a military wife. So, first of all, this is seriously disappointing to me because most of the people in the military really hold to high standards and this guy is a senior (inaudible) non-commissioned officer, which is his duty to lead, you know, younger officers. That`s how the structure works in the military. It goes through top to bottom, and you`re there to protect the young ones. I think she was a private which is, what, six months to a year in the army. She was young, she`s desperate, she`s trying to raise her...

PINSKY: So, Leeann, are we just seem having a relationship with her is bad enough is what you`re saying, is that right?

TWEEDEN: Well, right. Usually -- listed ranks you can have -- you know, you`re not supposed to go officer and enlisted, but regardless, I think he was preying on her. She had financial issues. She was probably very young, single mom trying to raise her kids. And in the structure of the military, it`s just like PTSD, you come out and say you have a problem, or you talk about you`re enlisted -- you`re a senior enlisted officer, you`re probably gonna get in trouble. So, I think she was afraid to speak out, and the only reason why she would come out is because she got immunity. And I`m OK with that, it just come down to be...

PINSKY: Heather, do you have any thoughts on this?

HEATHER MCDONALD, WRITER CHELSEA LATELY: Yes. I`m dying to see the lifetime movie that`s gonna obviously come out probably about a year from now, and I think it would be pretty juicy. I mean, it`s awful, it`s sad but it`s a lifetime movie, and...

PINSKY: And, Heather is happy about that.

MCDONALD: I`m a little bit happy, about how I`ll be spending a Saturday a year from now.

SCHACHER: Yeah. I`ll probably be joining you, but it is alarming that the Pentagon just...

MCDONALD: It`s disgusting.

SCHACHER: Right. And the Pentagon recently said that the number of sexual assaults against women in the military has jumped 35 percent since 2010. And likely, to say that number could very well be higher because people are afraid to come forward because of the repercussions.

MCDONALD: Another speaking out.

PINSKY: And this story comes on the heels of an Air Force Officer allegedly arrested after groping a woman in a parking lot. He ran a sexual prevention unit as well. Evy, do you think that people with these sorts of issues are drawn to the victims, even when they think they`re going to help protect them?

POUMPOURAS: I think you`re right about that. So, think of it this way. Let`s think a little bit sinister, think like the bad guy -- if I`m a predator, what better way to go to find (inaudible)? A place like this, with the women who come have already probably been victimized in some way, have low self-esteem, may have already issues. So, I come in -- I`m here to protect you, you ingratiate yourself in their lives. You almost come up like you`re there to help them, you create this relationship, boom, there`s your victim.

PINSKY: My understanding, Evy, you had some sort of concerning things to say about people in the military. I read something you said about who`s in the military that sort of bothered me. Do you want to talk about that?

POUMPOURAS: Right. So, look, I respect the military. I`ve worked with the military. They`re the greatest organization. However, we should also keep in mind that the quality and character of everybody in the military is not going to be on that standard. Just as a factual reference, certain people who are set to go to jail for having committed a crime sometimes the judge or court will say to them, you know what, we`re going to allow you to not go to jail and allow you to go to the military and do something good for your country. So, I want people to keep that in mind, that sometimes people that do enlist in the military, do have prior criminal...

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PINSKY: Makes me feel bad for the guys in authority they have so sort of deal with that. The court system is putting it off on the military.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: All right enough of that. Next, I`ve got something -- this is the evening of unbelievable stories. Tonight, a truck driver not watching the -- truck drivers watch the road, right? Even if they`re on meds, they watch the road. This guy is watching porn on his phone. He hits this young woman, who`s a bride-to-be on the side of the road, in her car, kills her.

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Vanessa, Erica, and Heather. And this is the story you`ve been tweeting out the most today. Bride-to-be Laura Thomas killed by a distracted driver, a professional driver. Here`s how it happened. Take a look at this, Laura and her fiance`s car had broken down. They were outside the car at side of the road. The hazard lights were on. The truck driver was watching porn on his cell phone, and just hits the car, pushes it and Laura over the edge. The truck driver was sentenced to five years in prison. Her family says they are completely broken. Heather, this to me is the story that just is -- I understand this stuff happens, but it`s almost hard to believe.

MCDONALD: I mean, it`s so terrible but it would be terrible if he was watching critically acclaimed Mad Men. What the heck are you doing watching any kind of T.V. in your car, while your driving your Mack truck, which is your job.

PINSKY: Heather, have you ever text while driving?

MCDONALD: I really haven`t. I`m very good about it. I mean, OK. I have been at a stop light and I`ve sent a text, but I`ve never had my foot on the pedal and continue to drive.

SCHACHER: Good for you.

MCDONALD: But to be watching like streaming videos...

PINSKY: OK. We`ve got that on tape, security, head on over to 58. Anyway, police determined that the trucker had been staring at his phone for 19 seconds.

SCHACHER: 19?

PINSKY: So, a little different than Heather sending a little something, hi, honey, from the stop sign. When he hit the couple`s car, he`d been 19 seconds without looking at the road. Vanessa?

BARNETT: His sole purpose is to drive this truck. All you should be doing is focusing on driving this truck. You`re not just putting yourself in danger, but you`re putting other people in danger. And now, he`s killed someone and only gotten five years. I can`t even understand how this family is coping with him only getting five years. And the fact that it was porn? Honestly leads me to believe that that`s not the only thing he was doing in that truck.

PINSKY: Oh, gosh.

BARNETT: We have no idea how bad it could be. Honestly.

SCHACHER: And, Vanessa, you know what`s really sad, too, there`s a quote that just broke my heart of the fiance. He said he was planning their wedding, now he has to plan their funeral. And I said this once, and I said it again, why can`t our cell phones as soon as you sit in the passenger`s seat, the online capabilities, texting immediately deactivated. We have the technology to do that.

PINSKY: We have breathalysers, if you use (inaudible) to make sure you`re not using substances. Erica, what do you say?

ERICA AMERICA: You`re absolutely right, Samantha. Just like the seat belts. I`m so happy in my jeep it goes beep, beep, beep when it`s not on. So, you do it right away. I mean, this is a greater -- a bigger story than what we`re hearing. Of course, this is absolutely tragic, but texting and driving, distracted the driving is an epidemic right now. We`re all glued to our cell phones, and some people unfortunately, it`s a little more compulsive or addictive and porn in its nature is addictive. So, we have to find methods where, you know, there are some ads right now poignant ads on radio and T.V. where people who have killed people from texting and driving, I know -- I, like, cringe every time I see that, but we have to come up with something like, Samantha, said to really turn off the phones. So, we can`t even do it while we`re driving.

PINSKY: Right. Heather, we`re so focused on texting. There`s other things people are doing on the phone now that evidently is more -- requires more focus than merely texting. And there is, you know, I hate -- it`s a tragic story, but there`s some funny aspects of it. Heather, the guy was...

MCDONALD: Well, I mean, yeah, I hope that the webcam girls if they`re talking to anybody and they see that they`re clearly in a car, they will shut their legs and shut it down. I mean, come on. I mean, it`s horrible -- I do think we`re close to maybe having some type of...

PINSKY: Technology.

MCDONALD: Technology that like she said, like a seat belt, like the breathalyser, because it`s true. I mean, kids don`t even watch T.V. They just watch everything on their phones now. They`re going to get used to watching stuff on T.V.

PINSKY: You`re right. OK. Now, what we`re going to do, you guys stay with me. We`re going to look at a new -- another video -- another disturbing video. Vanessa, you`ll love this, because you would come down on him last time we had a video, when he was saying the N word a bunch. Well, now, he says it a lot in this video. And I want to hear what Vanessa`s thoughts are. Be back with that video after this.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Vanessa, Erica, and Heather. Justin Bieber still dealing with fallout from previous, what are clearly racist so-called jokes. He has something else now to apologize for. New video has surfaced, the 14-year-old singer at the time, he`s 14, singing a racist parody of his hit One Less Lonely Girl. I already hear, Vanessa, sighing in my ear piece. TMZ got this video, Vanessa, I`ll have you comment after we watch it.

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JUSTIN BIEBER: One less lonely (BLEEP). One less lonely (BLEEP). One less lonely (BLEEP). There`s gonna be one less (BLEEP). If I tell you I`ll be part of the KKK that there will be one less lonely (BLEEP). There will be one less lonely (BLEEP).

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PINSKY: Vanessa, this young man is fresh out of Canada at that point and you were the only one last time to really come down on him. Go ahead.

BARNETT: And this is exactly why. If you give him a pass because of his age, the bad behavior continues. It`s now habitual, and this video is far worse than the first one.

PINSKY: I agree. I agree. BARNETT: Not only is he saying the N word, but now, he`s referencing the KKK and it`s becoming a member and we can`t keep saying, oh, he was young. Because in this show today, we`ve proven that when you`re young, you still get punished. Twelve years old, you kill somebody, you`re going to jail now, 14, 15, he`s done it twice. You say the N word, people need to come down on him.

PINSKY: Heather, this is when those sorts of attitudes really get formed, become the most sort of fixed and disturbing when people have a world view like that.

MCDONALD: You know, well, first of all, he`s 14. And he`s not 14 in 1925. OK?

PINSKY: Right.

MCDONALD: It`s 14 in 2006. At 14 you know it`s wrong. Now, if someone taped him saying it at 3, like he repeated it and heard it someone, you know, that happened with my son. He was in first grade and he heard the word and he was trying -- he knew it was a bad word. He thought it meant, like, an SH word. And he said, I knew a bad word and, you know, I had to explain what it was, and he was horrified. I`m like, now you know and now they know. But at 14, he knew. In 2006, he knew at 14.

PINSKY: Erica.

AMERICA: Yeah, let`s face it. They`re trying to clean up Bieber`s behavior big-time. I mean, they got in front of pushing this video out because of the fact they knew it was so bad. But I don`t...

PINSKY: Well, Erica, he was being extorted apparently with these videos. For quite some time, they knew this was coming. And I don`t think - - I don`t think there`s really much they can say that cleans this up. What do you say, Erica?

AMERICA: Right. Yeah, no, I don`t think so. Well, I`m not for extortion. I do not believe the excuse that he was doing a parody of a parody. That`s what he said. He was laughing. He was doing it to the camera. That`s the funniest thing. These two videos that we`ve recently seen, he`s like, the self-centeredness and self-entitlement to not only do it to like your friend but do it and do it proudly, really shows the world view he had at that age. And my question is, where were her parents at the time, where was his management team?

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PINSKY: Vanessa. Vanessa, go ahead.

BARNETT: They could be very well those voices that are there in the background laughing and egging him on. We don`t know where they were, but his handlers, his mother have said many times over she was always with him in the beginning and Scooter Brown was always near him in the beginning. And they brag about the fact that they kept him normal and they wouldn`t let him spend his money on stupid things. Where were those people when it was time to say, these words are unacceptable?

SCHACHER: He said it way too casually. That`s what worries me.

PINSKY: And how he gloried in it.

SCHACHER: Exactly. But it just rolled off his tongue six times like no big deal.

PINSKY: Look at me.

SCHACHER: Right. Exactly.

PINSKY: He seems to have a sort of a glee in the whole thing.

MCDONALD: I think he`s done. I think this is going to end him.

PINSKY: Oh, Heather, really?

MCDONALD: I do.

PINSKY: Heather, is this a prediction? Wait, wait. Go ahead, Heather.

MCDONALD: I think this is just the beginning...

PINSKY: You heard it here, Heather McDonald.

MCDONALD: ...of the end.

PINSKY: Heather McDonald said this is it for Justin Bieber.

MCDONALD: I really do. I think he`s done. He`s been on his way down.

PINSKY: All right, guys, I have to go. Sorry. Forensic Files begins right now.

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