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Girl Stabbed 19 Times Getting Better?; Seeing Women as Objects; Patient`s STD, Medical Records All Over Facebook; Admitted Killer Turns to Social Media; Stripper Goes Off on Hateful Rant
Aired June 05, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the Slenderman stabbing victim is recovering. What is she saying? Her parents are speaking out.
Plus, a special ed teacher charged with devious sexual intercourse with her 14-year-old student. The behavior bureau sounds off. Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Welcome, everyone.
My co-host is Samantha Schacher.
And coming up, a patient`s name and medical information including the fact that she`d been treated for a sexually transmitted disease, all of that
exposed where else but on Facebook? Two hospital employees released that information on Facebook and have been accused.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: And we also have her attorney here, the patient`s attorney. So we can ask her questions.
PINSKY: It is a major, major breach. I know people appreciate how bad that is. What`s going to prevent people from shaming people on Facebook in
the future if they find, let`s say I get something diagnosed and I call Sam and then you`re angry and put it out on social media.
SCHACHER: Very scary reality.
PINSKY: Before we get into any of that, though -- first, new allegations about Morgan, remember Morgan? That`s the one I told you about that I
think is the ill-est or the most psychiatrically ill of the two 12-year- olds accused of stabbing a friend 19 times. This classmate. It`s unbelievable.
The mom has given a classmate permission to be interviewed by our affiliate. We`re not naming her or showing her but take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: I met her in kindergarten and she was, like, pretty cool and all, until, like, probably fourth grade. She started to act kind
of, like, weird-ish. And she started to talk, like, about more suicidal things.
She was, like, Slenderman was coming to get all of us and that she was a part of Slenderman`s tribe or something like that. I just remember her
holding it and saying that this is a weapon and I can do anything with it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is there something about the school you think is off?
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: Yes, a little bit. Even I went there, supervision was really lax because there were a lot of disruptive students that need to be
refocused.
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PINSKY: Joining us, Leeann Tweeden, social commentator, host of "Tomboys" podcast on Blog Talk Radio. Renee Herlocker, entertainment host and
lifestyle blogger, Alfonso Rachel, musician, social commentator on PJ TV.
The victim`s parents started a Facebook page and issued a statement of which here`s a portion, quote, "as parents of this little girl" again, this
is the victim, "we`re overwhelmed by the amount of love and support. Our little girl is a fighter and improving every day. As our daughter is so
young, we ask you honor his anonymity."
Sam, her parents gave some specifics about the recovery, right?
SCHACHER: Yes, this poor little girl. So, she`s out of bed, in a wheelchair watching TV. In fact, she prefers to sit in her wheelchair
rather than lie in bed.
PINSKY: Good.
SCHACHER: She is finally eating, but it still makes her queasy. Finally, her parents mentioned that she`s easily overwhelmed, so they`re keeping her
visitors to a minimum.
PINSKY: Oh, interesting. She gets tired easy.
So, 19 stab wounds, everybody. How profound that injury is and but for the grace of God did not hit major arteries or veins.
The middle school`s principal spoke to ABC`s "Good Morning America." Here`s what he said about the girls who victimized the other one.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There wasn`t any kind of issues, any problems, you know, with discipline. I don`t know if they were best friends. They were
friends.
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PINSKY: He also said that he had never heard of the character that was consuming all the young kids` attention, Slenderman.
Leeann, he`d never heard of Slenderman. How can he be the principal and not hear about, or not have some sense of what the kids are preoccupied
with?
LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Exactly. It seems to be very profound a lot of kids are into this. I mean, isn`t that part of your job in the
school system, especially a principal of a school like that, that you would kind off know what kids are doing, what they`re into, what they`re involved
with. Especially -- I mean, social media now, anybody can check it. You know what the kids are into. Just, you know, I feel for that little girl
and her family and I hope people help donate for her recovery.
PINSKY: Now, also my concern is if the principal -- I`m worried about the school. We just heard an interview, Renee, with a girl who seemed to be,
what, 11, 12 years old. She saw problems with this girl since she was in fourth grade which is 9.
Renee, why couldn`t the school or teachers have detected these same issues that an 11-year-old is telling us is probably weird or mental illness?
RENEE HERLOCKER, COMEDIAN: Well, you know, sure, we can always go and point fingers at the parents. Is it the Internet, is it the community? Is
it this principal?
We have to just remember, it`s a small town. Did anybody ever question or think about maybe they were just bored? Maybe these kids needed something
to grasp on to because they had nothing better to do. Her classmate even said she was cool to some point. So, maybe she`s just trying to be cool
again and this made her feel that way.
PINSKY: Well, Alfonso, she`s on -- Renee is on to something, the fact boredom is not a good thing -- it`s not going to make somebody mentally
ill.
Alfonso, you go ahead.
ALFONSO RACHEL, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Bear with me here. I`m new to the Slenderman thing. I thought Slenderman was like some new workout video or
something like that --
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RACHEL: But I will say this -- in terms of how kids are raised, this is going to sound really weird, but, you know, there was this book that was
written and it says something to this effect. And it says, "Do not have any other gods before me." And reason why that is, is because people will
do strange things to appease other gods.
That`s what they were trying to satisfy is this god figure, whether you`re god figure be yourself, money, or Slenderman.
If these kids were brought up with these kind of values to be careful to not recognize a false god, hey, who knows, we might have prevented
something like this with those archaic writings.
SCHACHER: Right. Well, I think -- listen, I totally understand what you`re saying but I think in it wasn`t Slenderman, it would have been
something else.
TWEEDEN: I agree.
RACHEL: Another false god?
TWEDEN: Well, I just think that they`re evil. I really do. I think if they were suffering from delusions all this time, it would have been
evident while they were premeditating this murder. Somebody would have noticed. If doesn`t add up.
PINSKY: Leeann, what?
TWEEDEN: You`re totally right, though. A 9-year-old girl in fourth grade, she knew something was wrong with this girl and separated herself.
RACHEL: Yes.
TWEEDEN: How do parents or faculty or anybody else not figure out there was something wrong with her?
PINSKY: All right. Leeann, there`s two things here. There`s two competing issues here. One is I`m tired, everybody. I`m tired of being on
this show every night and talking about the fact we need to be better and more sophisticated about identifying mental illness and getting it to help
because not doing so can disastrous as not seeing a medical condition that we don`t get to help. We need to be -- we need to stop our magical
thinking about these things.
But I want to bring a behavior bureau in here and address one thing. Kids go to great lengths to hide their symptoms from parents. Think about
eating disorders, think about substance abuse. These are psychiatric problems and kids hide them.
They also hide strange thinking. They don`t want to disappoint their parents and may go to great lengths to hide it. We`ll talk about that and
more, after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mug shots of 12-year-old Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weier, pictures of innocence. But their actions say authorities beyond
belief. Luring their 12-year-old friend into the woods, police say, stabbing her 19 times, leaving her for dead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So what I see here has a possibility is some type of shared psychosis between these two girls.
PINSKY: Right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -can happen during adolescence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s actually a bit of a cult mentality.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s the alpha dog and then there`s the sheep, the people that follow.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just think it`s so shocking because it`s girls.
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PINSKY: I agree with Heather. We expect violence from young males. We do not expect it from young females.
Let`s bring in our behavior bureau. I have Kirsten Haglund, former Miss America, founder of the Kirsten Haglund Foundation. Wendy Walsh,
psychologist, author of "The 30-Day Love Detox". And Danine Manette, criminal investigator, author of "Ultimate Betrayal".
You can be part of our show right now by tweeting us @DrDrewHLN #BehaviorBureau. And please do not forget to like our Facebook page. We
need your help there.
Now, Kirsten, you can relate a little bit to kids hiding stuff from their parents. Tell us about your story and what you think, what length you
think kids go to high symptoms.
KIRSTEN HAGLUND, FORMER MISS AMERICA: Absolutely. I think one of the biggest misconceptions about mental health issues is if your child is
struggling you`ll immediately notice, know what`s going on. I struggled with anorexia and started when I was about 12. My parents didn`t figure it
out until I was 15.
Everything that was related to food or exercise or abusing any of those things I would say, oh, I`m going to school early to work on my homework.
I was really going to exercise or lock myself in my room saying, I`m going to go to bed early so I wouldn`t have to eat dinner.
I mean, there`s all these things that I could make an excuse, so it looked like I was just fine when you like to say it`s the "F" word, just fine.
I`m fine. So that my parents would think, she`s a good kid and wouldn`t ask.
If they did ask, it would be, how are you doing? Are you OK? And I could say, I`m fine. So, not --
PINSKY: To be fair, Kirsten, parents don`t want to see illness in their kids. We don`t want to know our kids are ill. And when you reassure us,
we`re delighted to take that reassurance.
HAGLUND: You`re absolutely right. There`s definitely an element of defile. I have compassion for parents. I understand that it`s tough to
accept that. But the sooner they do accept it, you`re right, mental health should be treated like physical health. You get something treated early
and the person has a higher likelihood of recovering or getting to a place where they can manage it.
PINSKY: Exactly right.
And, yet, Wendy, we live in a world, (a), people don`t do that and, (b), don`t want to know the signs and symptoms.
WENDY WASLH, PSYCHOLOGIST: I`m so sorry you went through that experience. I don`t mean to slam your parents but that`s amazing to me. I`m a single
mom. My kids are at the dinner table five nights a week, if they`re not at the table eating with me --
PINSKY: Wendy, my daughter went very public about fact she had an eating issue. I don`t want to talk about her issue on her behalf, but I didn`t
know it for a long, long, long, long time. We had a team of people who didn`t know about it. It`s hard to detect.
WALSH: It`s true. Kids who are sneaky and smart and know what pleasures their parents need to hear. In other words, they give their parents
exactly as you did. I`m studying. I`m going to bed early, getting a good night`s sleep.
This is what they do. They figure out what the reward system is for your parents and that`s how they`re able to keep these secrets. Like this girl
did.
PINSKY: Now, Danine, you always take this to a place that stuns.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: So, and, Sam is anxious to hear your point because Danine, hang on, Danine. Here`s Sam`s point of view. You tell her. You think these
kids are evil. It`s all an excuse.
DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: I have a completely different point of view and a completely different opinion. I just want you to hear me
out.
PINSKY: All right. Go ahead.
MANETTE: I don`t think this has anything to do with mental illness.
SCHACHER: Me, too.
MANETTE: I don`t think they were hiding anything from their parents.
I think this has to do when what I`ve read about these families, a culture of demonic and Satanism and practices of evil that went on in the homes.
Now, we all like to be part of like scary things. We go to haunted houses, we go on roller coasters. We like to be scared.
But there`s a line that you cross between wanting to be scared by something and wanting to be an apostle of evil. I think when there are demonic
themes in your home, you gravitate toward that and decide to take that on as not only just a spectator but as somebody who wants to be an apprentice
of this evil. I think it came from that home.
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PINSY: Oh, wait, Sam, Sam? Whoa, whoa, whoa, Sam first. Hold on. Sam first.
SCHACHER: I actually tend to like some pretty dark things. I have skulls on my Instagram. I used to listen to death metal. I`m one of the most
compassionate persons you`ll meet. I won`t hurt a fly. In fact, after it rains I move snails out of the way so my neighbors don`t crush them.
PINSKY: She`s hiding the fact she`s a killer at night and worships the dead. She`s hiding it, I tell you.
MANETTE: Let me say I think they promoted death in that house. I really do. They promoted death and images of death and evilness. I really,
really do.
WALSH: How do you know that? Have you heard these reports?
MANETTE: Just my opinion. It`s jut my opinion -- just from what I`ve read about the families. I think they promoted it.
WALSH: Kids can`s easily get access to all this stuff on the Internet. The Internet is free. There`s no way to control the Internet except by
unplugging it from the wall.
PINSKY: Kirsten? Hang on, can we hear Kirsten?
HAGLUND: The thing is you can`t just blame the culture, one Web site, one religious aspect. You know, you can`t blame one of those things because
like Sam said, everyone can be exposed to those things but only certain people get triggered. Those are people that have an underlying issue that
is stimulated by this exposure and those are the people that act out.
PINSKY: Exactly.
HAGLUND: In this horrible way. That`s a symbol of underlying --
PINSKY: Let`s say I all of a sudden started saying, or some patient started saying he`s Jesus Christ. He doesn`t start saying he`s Jesus
Christ because he was exposed to religious material. Though had he not been exposed to religious material, he would have not known who Jesus was,
but it`s because he`s psychotic and he`s manic and starts to believe grandiose delusions and start saying I`m Jesus Christ.
WALSH: Dr. Drew, I have a question for you. Can you see this kind of psychosis coming this early?
PINSKY: Coming how?
WALSH: Yes, coming out this early, the symptomology?
PINSK: Well, the schizo effective disorder. She was having delusional symptomology. Early systems can develop. It`s unusual but they can.
Next up, something equally as disturbing. We have a special ed teacher accused of having sex multiple times with her teenage students. It`s a
crazy story.
We`re back with that one after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thirty-year-old Stephanie Amato (ph) covered her face as she left police headquarters this morning. Allegations she had a sexual
relationship with a 14-year-old student. Amato is a special education teacher here who`s taught at the school for several years.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s a grown-up, like, there`s no reason for a grown- up to be dealing with a kid in a sexual nature.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Amato had ongoing sexual relationship with one of her male students between March and April of this year. The alleged encounters
happened in her car and her home.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Kirsten and Danine.
And, joining us, Dr. Lisa Masterson, physician, host of the new podcast, "Health and Heals."
Now, that 30-year-old special needs teacher is accused of having had sex with her 14-year-old student. Step back and think about that -- 14-year-
old is 2 years post puberty. It`s a child basically.
She was removed from her classroom in April when the allegations were initially made, but a few days ago, she posted this picture on Facebook
with the caption "my fave students."
Kirsten, what is she thinking about post this stuff on Facebook?
HAGLUND: I know. It seems to me she`s in need of intimacy, love, affection and approval and isn`t getting it in her personal life --
PINSKY: I should say.
HAGLUND: -- in other aspects. She`s preying on these poor 14-year-old kids in her class. She wants to be friends with them, wants to be cool.
And they`re hanging with teacher, they feel cool, too.
But it`s very, very sick and twisted relationship that exists here and she didn`t just engage one time but ten times having sex with this young man.
It`s incredibly sad. I just feel for that poor young man and what he`s going to grow up like. You know, having this been one of probably his
first experiences with a woman -- a woman much older and in a predatory relationship. Very scary.
SCHACHER: Yes. And how many times do we have to continue to hear about this? This is insane. It`s almost become like some sort of epidemic and
more prevalent with female teachers now because there`s a double standard. Are they not getting --
PINSKY: What does your mom say? Your mom`s a teacher.
SCHACHER: My mom wants to hear I guess -- she wants to hear a good teacher story.
PINSKY: Not on this show.
SCHACHER: Yes. Exactly.
I mean, it just continues to happen.
PINSKY: Here`s another pic she posted two days ago with the caption "fun with these kids." The kids are in her car and flipping off the camera.
Lisa, all I can say is, you know, you and I have been in positions of care taking and authority -- the number one rule, taking care of somebody,
whether a teacher or doctor, have a boundary.
MATERSON: Boundary and do no harm. I mean, this teacher obviously has no idea about her ethical responsibility or any responsibilities that she has
for these kids as a teacher. And, I mean, what she did was horrible and actually it`s even worse because it`s special ed. Because these students
are even more vulnerable and she`s preying on their vulnerability. So this is even more important than you would -- I mean, it`s all the way around
bad, but she`s really preying on vulnerable kids.
PINSKY: Absolutely. And what kills me is the technology part of this that she`s putting pictures on social media, she was sending explicit text
messages and during those text messages, Danine, she apparently told the gentlemen, young boys not to tell anybody.
But, Danine, we`ve been sort of reacting. Usually, you put a ka-bong on this. Go ahead, what`s your take?
MANETTE: OK. This is my daily dose of giving people information about investigations, OK?
PINSKY: OK.
MANETTE: When you have a text message and you send it to someone and you can erase that text message, you can close out that account, throw that
phone away, you can throw that phone in the ocean. That record is still available. It doesn`t matter what you do, you can change accounts, change
phone numbers, whatever.
You are not the holder of those text message of that record. The cell phone provider is the holder of that record. What I do, I don`t need to
subpoena you. I go to the cell phone provider. You can change the number, gotten rid of the phone, threw it off of a bridge. I`m going to get your
text messages.
If you`re going to commit a crime, do not put it in a text message. I`m telling you, it`s going to be there forever. Know that, everybody.
SCHACHER: Danine`s kids can`t get away with anything, can they?
MANETTE: Not a thing.
MASTERSON: That`s important to know because, I mean, she was sending these messages to these kids. Again, she had no idea about her responsibility as
a teacher.
MANETTE: Right, and she can erase them all she wants, but the cell phone provider holds that record. That`s who we got that information from when
we`re doing our investigation.
PINSKY: All right. We`re going to another classroom scandal, this one involving a teacher who apparently angry when her teen object of affection
took another teenage girl to the prom. How dare he?
SCHACHER: Yes, right.
PINSKY: Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For high school teacher Joy Morsey (ph), there was no joy as she left her court arraignment. The 39-year-old Morsey who lives in
Massapequa, Long Island, was charged with rape and criminal sexual conduct with a 16-year-old male student.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Back in June of last year she allegedly asked the student if he needed help losing weight, brought him into a closet in the
gym and showed him her breast.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She also allegedly sent the student e-mails asking if he was a virgin as well as raunchy photos.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMAL: Morsey is charged with among other things three-degree rape.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Department of Ed has suspended her.
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PINKY: Back with Sam, Leeann, Renee, and Alfonso. That married teacher, mother of four, arrested again. Investigators say she had sex with a
second 16-year-old student this past weekend. Text message exchanges reportedly led to this re-arrest.
Leeann, let me play devil`s advocate for a second. I mean, it`s an outrageous story, but she`s ill. Does she deserve a chance to be treated?
TWEEDEN: No, Dr. Drew. This time, again, I`m going to tell you, get off the mental illness thing.
This is a woman who`s a teacher. She knows exactly what she`s doing. To me, OK, this is two victims that we know of. OK? She went -- because she
got a little mad that the boy asked the girl out to prom which is what every 16-year-old boy should do, right?
PINSKY: It`s so sick. It`s so sick. It`s like not connected to reality.
TWEEDEN: Come on, a couple days later, Dr. Drew, she already has another 16-year-old boy probably to try to make the other boy jealous. But come
on.
PINSKY: No. Oh -- Renee, diabolical.
TWEEDEN: She can be a female Jerry Sandusky, drew. How many other boys has she been grooming? It`s happening so fast. She`s probably got other
boys in her, you know, her rolodex. Get her out of there.
PINSKY: Renee, she`s ill, but should she be in prison the rest of her life?
HERLOCKER: You know, she shouldn`t be in prison but should definitely be away from these kids. She needs to figure out -- first of all, her husband
needs to not be on her side all the time. He`s crazy, too, for that fact.
PINSKY: Renee, hold that thought. Did he show up in court to support her?
SCHACHER: I don`t know if he showed up in court.
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PINSKY: (Inaudible) Renee is right. I heard he showed up in court. Yeah.
SCHACHER: I didn`t know, he did show up in court.
PINSKY: The question is that they`re telling us that he did. But the question is was he there to get his.
SCHACHER: Why else would he be there?
PINSKY: Well, maybe he`s there to see her go down.
SCHACHER: No.
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TWEEDEN: Four children, and support your children and not your wife.
SCHACHER: And it`s so sad that she`s a mother of four children. How would she feel if one of her children, this happened to them? From one of their
teachers? What would she do then?
PINSKY: She`s so sick. I don`t think she knows that.
SCHACHER: OK. But here`s -- OK. But here`s what frustrates me. OK. So, she`s so sick, if it was one of my kids, I would want to see that teacher
get locked up, though.
TWEEDEN: Yes.
PINSKY: I would, too. Listen, I`m being (inaudible).
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: I`m taking a point of view. But the fact is I don`t think she shouldn`t be punished. She should be punished. So, Alfonso, I know, you`re
winding up for a punch here. Go ahead.
RACHEL: This topic sounds juicy, why don`t I do it in my Gilbert Godfrey voice?
SCHACHER: He`s already been on the show.
PINSKY: No, thanks.
RACHEL: I had a feeling. And listen, that her big crime is that she`s contributing to a dynamic where a kid is going to now see women as
something to be objectified.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
RACHEL: You`re going to have this dude, he`s going to be contributing to more -- he`s going to be part of a generation that`s going to contribute to
more teen pregnancies, more broken homes, more single moms, more abortions. This is what she`s doing in her selfishness. So, for whatever reason she
justified this maybe thinking that, hey, he`s going to like it and there`s no big crime going to because, hey, they`ve been doing it for a year, but
in the long run this is what happens. We end up with generations of more problems in society.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
TWEEDEN: And you know, Dr. Drew, I was looking at the picture, you know, the two women walking out with her. I thought, they maybe, those are her
good friends supporting her. No, that`s her bail bondsman and her lawyer. So, she has nobody supporting her, not even her friends.
PINSKY: And they were sort of holding her up as though she couldn`t stand. I`m wondering what`s going on there. But here`s the deal. Alfonso is
absolutely right. But let me propose another aspect of how this happens. When you take a young developing brain and over stimulate it, you put it in
provocative situations that are excessive, that literally shatter the brain`s upper limits of its capacity to regulate which is what happens in
these extreme situations for a 16-year-old male that they tend to seek these things out repetitively. They can go down a path of sexual
compulsion. They can go up out a path of aggression and their personality function tends to become impaired as it`s developing. So, the consequences,
indeed as, Alfonso, said can be profound socially but they also can be profound in terms of the character development of the individual. Renee.
HERLOCKER: Here`s the question, Dr. Drew. If the legal age is 17 years old, how is that going to change within the year? That he`s 16 now and he`s --
may develop all -- be developing all these feelings. But a year isn`t going to make much difference.
RACHEL: No.
SCHACHER: True, but still an authoritative figure.
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RACHEL: Sixteen years old. There are 16 years old women are emotionally, you know, a 16-year-old is more like 12.
HERLOCKER: Right.
RACHEL: You know, for them to be able to process what he went through even at 16 or 17 years old, repercussion of that is going to be really profound.
PINSKY: A 15-year-old brain is different than a 16-year-old brain is different than a 17-year-old brain. It`s why we get upset about kids acting
out sexual -- oh, I`ve got a brain.
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PINSKY: In fact, in fact, wait, wait, let me make a point. I want to make a point here. That during those years, this frontal part, the frontal lobe
that we develop to contain impulses and be able to make judgments and have executive control over our impulses, this part is shut down. This part is
shut down, and if you over stimulate the deeper centers down in here, they become hyper stimulated and they start driving the ship without any bridle,
without ability to slow it down. And that can affect the rest of their development. So, and that goes on for men it goes on into their 20s. I`m
sorry to say. But it definitely goes on each year it gets improves and the earlier the exposure to these provocative situations.
TWEEDEN: Every 16-year-old boy is going to think that every girl is going to take him in the closet and show her boobs to him. That`s what that
teacher did.
PINSKY: It has a social consequence like that as, Alfonso, said toward objectification of women and also as an emotional regulatory consequence.
These are big concepts but it does effect these males and that`s why I get so upset, we all do, when people go, oh, if I were 16 and had that hot
teacher, wouldn`t that have been a great thing? Yeah, the 16-year-old does think that way, by the way. Stop thinking like a 16-year-old, you`re not.
You`re adults watching these stories. And the objective reality it has a profound effect on these kids.
Next up, a patient and a sexually transmitted disease are revealed, her private medical records all on Facebook. We`ll tell you that story after
this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One woman who was diagnosed with an STD claims an employee at UC Medical Center posted the woman`s medical records on
Facebook.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A screen shot of this woman`s medical record showing all of her personal information including her diagnosis, syphilis.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is the most private of private medical information that was posted on a Facebook.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Facebook group is called Team No Hoes. The screen shot was followed by comments referring to his client as a hoe and a slut.
The woman is suing UC Med Center, an employee named Ryan Rawls, an unnamed UC employee who is believed to be a nurse and the woman`s ex-boyfriend,
Raphael Bradley. Bradley convinced the UC employees to release the medical records.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Renee, Kirsten and Lisa. This was the story you twittered -- tweeted about the most today. So, let`s break it down. The
victim claims her ex-boyfriend works at that hospital you saw in that piece and he convinced two other employees to release her medical records which
showed she had a sexual transmitted disease, specifically syphilis. Then he posted the records on Facebook on the page called Team No Hoes.
Sam, what do you know about this page? SCHACHER: How invasive. But, yeah, Team No Hoes, but first of all, it`s a closed group. So, you have to be invited. How exclusive. There are 2,300
members. And basically, in short, people go on there specifically to slut shame women.
PINSKY: I heard somebody react. Was that Renee? Somebody went, oh. Lisa, go ahead. Who was that? Go ahead, Lisa.
DR. LISA MASTERSON: Oh, my goodness. You know, that (inaudible) this just burns our -- as women this burns our butt -- our behind. Sorry I said that.
PINSKY: You can say anything. It`s all good. I might like where you`re going with this.
MASTERSON: Because it just -- it goes against the HIPAA Act that we fight so much for the privacy and protection of patients` health care
information. This is tantamount to being a doctor and that somebody would use this as a weapon, this is.
PINSKY: It is a weapon, isn`t it? It truly is.
MASTERSON: And used it as a weapon, and then that`s why the HIPAA Act exists. So, the people can get the information and use it behind, you know,
back at them. But again, to also just target women because of an STD, it doesn`t mean -- well, obviously you know it doesn`t mean that she slept
around. It could have been the guy that gave it to her. It`s just -- it`s horrible. It`s horrible in so many different level.
PINSKY: It`s horrible. And if there were one sort of -- if you had to think about the more -- most intimate of details in a medical record that you
don`t want getting out, this has got to be the top of the list. And, Lisa, just mentioned -- Dr. Masterson, mentioned the HIPAA Act, this is a Privacy
Act that physicians are required to follow. It`s a legal issue. We are -- we go to prison if we don`t behave, we don`t follow this regulation. And
it`s so stringent, we can`t even talk -- Lisa and I were sharing a case, we could not discuss it out in the hall here. We`d have to go in a closet or
something where we often do in this show where we have our private conversations.
MASTERSON: Yeah. We do.
HERLOCKER: That doesn`t sound good, Dr. Drew.
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PINSKY: It`s a Criminal Act.
MASTERSON: It`s criminal what this boyfriend did.
PINSKY: Go ahead, Renee.
HERLOCKER: So, this is just leading to the question, that what exactly is the hospital doing? And come to find out that she`s only suing them for
$25,000?
SCHACHER: No, that was corrected. That was the minimum.
HERLOCKER: OK.
SCHACHER: But yeah, I saw that, too, then it was actually corrected that it would be more than $25,000.
PINSKY: I actually have the attorney on the phone. It`s Mike Allen. He`s attorney for the victim. Now, Mike, after your client`s records -- let`s
settle that issue. Was it $25,000 suit and the rest is criminal action? Or what`s going to happen here?
MIKE ALLEN, ATTORNEY FOR ALLEGED VICTIM: Hi, Dr. Drew. It`s -- in Ohio we have tort reform which means that we`re only allowed to allege in the
complaint that the amount of damages exceeds $25,000. So, trust me, we`re suing for an excess of $25,000.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: Now, my question is this. And this is a little, again, a little bit challenging. But what was this -- what was your client`s plan? Is she not -
- you know, she has no obligation to tell us this, but I`m wondering what her plan was in terms of telling potential contacts she may -- let me ask -
- before I ask you that, Lisa, what would the protocol have been on her behalf, her own reconnaissance to tell potential contacts she may have when
she has an STD? What was her obligation?
MASTERSON: She should go and tell any person that she had any sexual contact with at all. But again, she might be the recipient of it, but --
she starts that chain with that communication to find out where this started, to find out who needs to be treated, if her partner needs to be
treated. But, again, this is confidential information.
PINSKY: Lisa, Lisa, wouldn`t people now -- people seeing this story, I would imagine would look at this and go, oh my god, I`m not going to tell
anybody because he or she may put it out on Facebook.
MASTERSON: And that`s why you want to keep this -- patients need to feel comfortable that we take as physicians the highest care with trying to keep
all of their information, whether it`s STDs or any of their information private so that they can get the best health care. And this is huge. It`s
why it`s a criminal act.
PINSKY: Kirsten, go ahead.
HAGLUND: Yeah, it`s a huge reminder when people respond or post things on social media, that it has actual consequences in real life.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes.
HAGLUND: Not like you can sign in and call someone a hoe or slut.
PINSKY: Thank you.
HAGLUND: Like I`m gonna start a Facebook group called team no scrubs, OK? I don`t get -- you know, it`s so frustrating that women get pegged with these
derogatory terms and men who sleep around are called, you know, they`re great.
PINSKY: That`s a bigger topic. That`s a bigger -- another day. You`re right though. Absolutely.
HAGLUND: It`s just completely ridiculous. People need to be smart on social media.
PINSKY: Mike, let me go back to you and ask the question. If she were to say -- let`s say she still has more people she needs to notify that she may
have had a contact. How is she supposed to do that with fear of this all going out on social media or being identified as the person that is outted
on social media? What is she going to do?
ALLEN: Let me tell you, Dr. Drew, this has affected her in so many ways. She doesn`t want to go out. She doesn`t want to socialize. She`s been
ostracized with the people she socializes with and she basically become a recluse in front of this. She`s a good person. And she would -- I heard you
talking before with your panel what her obligations are to notify people. And she would do that, but she does not go out or socialize at all anymore
because the most private of private information was put out on social media about her and the University of Cincinnati Medical Center is responsible
for that. And we plan on holding their feet to the fire.
PINSKY: I have no doubt that they know the degree of their responsibility. I mean, you can`t practice medicine, be in the medical field today and not
understand the gravity of the privacy of medical records. Sam, do you want to make one last comment?
SCHACHER: Yeah. I really quickly wanted to know what`s being done about this guy, that two people that her -- outted her medical records.
PINSKY: They`ve been fired as far as I know.
SCHACHER: I know, but is there any criminal allegations against them?
PINSKY: Mike.
ALLEN: That`s a really good question. And over the last couple of days I`ve had a number of people inquire about that. We immediately notified the
general counsel of the University of Cincinnati Medical Center about this. And I think it`s incumbent upon them to notify law enforcement that one of
their attorneys may have committed a state or federal offense. So, I hope a criminal investigation ensues because of this.
PINSKY: Thank you, Mike. Thank you, panel. We`re in agreement on this one.
And now, next, an admitted killer turns, again, to social media, to Facebook to express his sorrow over the death of a woman that the police
say he is the one that killed.
Reminder, you can find us any time on Instagram, also like us on Facebook. The Instagram is @drdrewhln. We`re right back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These three girls, these three ladies, they didn`t deserve this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) brother-in-law came home from his night job to a terrible discovery. The man`s wife and two female relatives stabbed to
death. One of the victims` relatives screaming outside this morning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said, you know, they killed my family.
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PINSKY: I am back with Sam. This man charged in a triple murder. His ex- girlfriend, her mother and her aunt all found shot, killed inside their family home. Police spoke to this gentleman, Cedric McGinnis after the
crime, but what made them suspicious was messages he posted on Facebook before the deaths had been widely reported. Take a look at this. He posted,
R.I.P, April Marie Serrano, it`s always the innocent ones that get expletive over. Gone but never forgotten. #lovetothefamily. #toher. And,
Sam, no one news they were dead yet.
SCHACHER: Yeah.
PINSKY: Almost like somebody tweeted us a really interesting statement.
SCHACHER: Very similar to kind of to Travis Alexander, Jodi Arias sending Travis` grandmother flowers.
PINSKY: Sending flower.
(CROSSTALK)
SCHACHER: Yeah. I mean -- but thank God to Facebook once again, because everybody is on social media, even these dumb criminals who are implicating
themselves.
PINSKY: Well, and -- I`m glad Danine is on this panel. Danine, Kirsten, Leeann. Danine, one`s again, as you said, whatever goes out there belongs
to law enforcement.
MANETTE: That right and it`s just so easy to access. And even when you have a locked down profile, all I need to do is find people that liked your
picture and that tells me people you`re connected with and I go from there. So, you`ll be surprised at how much stuff. We could do a whole show on
things you put out there and don`t know you`re putting out there.
SCHACHER: A big web.
PINSKY: The girlfriend, the aunt both had been shot in the head. The girlfriend`s mother also shot and stabbed. Danine, does this tell you
anything about the kind of criminal we`re dealing with here?
MANETTE: Well, I think that he stabbed the mother because he came in the backroom first and when he stabbed her, she didn`t die fast enough so he
shot her. He probably wanted to stab all of them because, but he thought -- because he thought that would be quieter. So, I think he stabbed her first.
She didn`t die fast enough. He shot her then shot the other two and got out of here.
PINSKY: Anybody else weirded out about the way, Danine.
SCHACHER: Chilling, how casually.
PINSKY: .describes these things matter of factually?
MANETTE: Well, I mean, I don`t know -- who knows, maybe he was angry at the mom. You know, so, maybe, you know, when you kill somebody, you kind of --
the people you really hate or that you really wanting to kill, maybe he was -- he shot her in the head and stabbed her, like take that. But you know,
that tweet was very mysterious. You know, it`s like it`s always the innocent ones. So, was he talking about maybe he wanted to kill his
girlfriend or did he want to kill the mom and the other two, were, like, innocent bystanders that he had to take care of because they happened to be
in the house at the same time? I mean, who knows. This guy is absolutely crazy. And I think he thought he was going to be smart. Oh, I`m going to
tweet out my condolences so they`re not going to look at me, obviously.
PINSKY: It`s the grandmother`s flowers.
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SCHACHER: Not very good.
PINSKY: Yeah, just like Jodi.
SCHACHER: Not very smart. But, Danine, I have a question for you, because he -- I thought right away he`d have some sort of criminal record, maybe
domestic violence because he seemed controlling, but I didn`t find anything.
MANETTE: Minimal.
SCHACHER: So, maybe somebody just didn`t report it?
MANETTE: And maybe it was a lot of things that just weren`t big enough to be -- you know, maybe there were a lot of small-time things, but I`m not
really surprised that he put this on Facebook because people join search parties when they kidnapped someone. They go to memorials and funerals when
they`ve killed the person. I mean, this happens all the time. People wanna know what the police know what`s out there.
PINSKY: Interesting. This is the.
MANETTE: They do it all the time.
PINSKY: This is the new sort of attendance at a funeral is now going to Facebook. Kirsten, I did not hear from you but I`m going it give you the
first comment in the next story which is our viral video of the day. You`re going to love this. It`s a stripper that goes off on a hateful rant. There
she is. She yells, she goes nuts yelling the N word, and then insists she isn`t a racist. You got to see it. Kirsten, I`ll let you ring in first.
We`re back after this.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Danine, Kirsten, and Leeann. The video I`m about to show you, received more the 5 million of views on Youtube. The gentleman
who recorded it says, simply starting his car sent his woman into the rage you`re about to see.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Talk to this (BLEEP) right now. I`m telling you, he`s video recorded me. He scares the (BLEEP) out of me. (Inaudible) wanted to
run his mouth talking about me being a trashy mother.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really, I said that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Got me on videotape, and I`m still flipping (BLEEP).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You called me a (BLEEP).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I called you a (BLEEP). You`re a (BLEEP). Nasty (BLEEP).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. You might want to get your.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because he`s a (BLEEP) loser. That`s why. He thinks he`s going to get something out of this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no we`re not. I don`t sue people.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He knows the cops. How many cops have I stripped for? You ain`t getting fired (BLEEP).
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PINSKY: And as, Sam, just pointed out during -- she was yelling at the T.V. screen during the.
SCHACHER: Yeah. Her two kids were right there. She doesn`t care.
PINSKY: Watch her -- you wonder where these attitudes come from. Danine, you`re laughing.
MANETTE: Because it`s ridiculous.
SCHACHER: Nauseating.
MANETTE: She`s worried about him scaring the kids but she`s not worried about the fact that she`s screaming like an idiot and she`s stripping, you
know, she`s a stripper. Their mom`s a stripper. She`s not worried about that stuff. She`s worried about this guy.
PINSKY: The guy scares the kids. He scared with the sound of the engine. She was given a chance to tell her side of the story and apologize on WBLK
radio. Listen to her so-called apology.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he called me a crack headed (BLEEP). I`m not a racist. I have a black cousin.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m wondering how the term, like, (BLEEP), even came up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just pissed me off. I`m bipolar. And quite frankly, if you look it up, it means a (BLEEP) ignorant person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It has nothing to do with race. I`m really not a racist. I was just pissed off.
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PINSKY: Kirsten, nothing to with race, huh? Oh, it was just completely racially neutral term.
HAGLUND: Yeah. And actually, if you do look it up, that was a negative term used against people. That were African-Americans.
PINSKY: Thank you.
HAGLUND: Yes. It has everything to do with race and it is never OK to call someone the N word. All that being said, I do have some compassion for this
woman, I don`t think what she did was OK or right in any way. But if you listen to that radio interview, she said she`s in a custody battle, her
husband is trying to take her kids away. You know, obviously you saw they were shopping at Goodwill, the dollar store. She`s clearly probably going
through a really, really difficult time. I don`t know if she`s bipolar. Like, I don`t know I think someone can throw that out there as an excuse,
but I mean, I have compassion for her. He started crying in that interview, like this is a very.
SCHACHER: Because she feels sorry for herself.
TWEEDEN: I don`t feel bad for her at all.
PINSKY: I want to heat, Leeann, up a little more. Hang on a second. To me this is kind of like Donald Sterling, us saying Donald Sterling has maybe
dementia or minimal cognitive change. If she`s bipolar, if she`s having a stressful life, OK, but what came out was disgusting.
TWEEDEN: It`s always disgusting. I don`t care how, and what hardship you have. Everybody has got their own cross to bear. Everybody`s got problems.
Everybody -- my dad has cancer. My best friend has cancer, her daughter has leukaemia, but that doesn`t make people call people racist names. If he
really was a jerk, why didn`t she call him an a-hole, why did she have call him the N word?
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: We`re not attacking you, Kirsten. I think your point is well taken is that she probably is bipolar. She probably does have a terrible life,
but in that stress she`s exhibiting something horrible about her character.
HAGLUND: I`m sorry, that never gives anybody a pass.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Kirsten, go ahead.
HAGLUND: No. We don`t want to give anyone a pass. I don`t wanna excuse any behavior at all, but I think at a very human level you have to have grace
and compassion for people and that`s what we`re trying to do, discover the element of, you know, why did people do what they do and why do they
respond that way? To better understand them so we can better help them, and that`s what I wanna do.
PINSKY: I agree, but not an excuse. Danine, ten seconds. You`re sitting there with a smile on your face.
MANETTE: She`s not a big -- she just plays one on T.V.
(LAUGHTER)
HAGLUND: Exactly, Danine, thank you. Poor kids.
PINSKY: Guys, I`ve got to go. Thank you, panel. DVR us right now, then watch anytime, and here the great clips of Danine offers us. Forensic Files
begins right now.
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