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Reality Star Faces Dangerous Stalker?

Aired June 19, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, stalked and afraid. Tattoo artist and reality star Kat Von D and the man who is posting bizarre

videos about her. Is this part of a larger stalking crisis?

Plus, pole dancing four-year-olds. My behavior bureau weighs in on this one.

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening.

My co-host if Samantha Schacher.

And coming up, we have new information on Ashley Lyon, the 16-year-old who went missing last week with a 41-year-old sex offender.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Yes. And later, La Toya Jackson is here and she joins the behavior bureau.

PINSKY: Fantastic. But, first, this was a dramatic ending to the case involving, of course, our colleague Nancy Grace, a high speed police

chase and then this creep stabbed Ashley multiple times for unclear reasons. Police finally flattened his tires, so he then started stabbing

himself and tried to what we call commit suicide by cop. In other words, he got out of his car and said, "kill me".

Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stephen Meyers exited the vehicle with a knife requesting the police to shoot him. When they did not respond, he began

stabbing himself in the abdomen area. Ashley was injured. She was stab eight times in the front and twice in the rear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To hear that your daughter, your baby, had been stabbed -- my daughter has been diagnosed as bipolar. She takes a number

of medications.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We know this was not abduction. It was jointly planned. However, it was a situation where a 41-year-old sexual offender

manipulated a 16-year-old.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: #findashley as well as media, friend, family getting the message out has ended this part of the nightmare. Mark

Zuckerberg, I love you man, for creating Facebook. Oh my God.

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PINSKY: It`s a great example of how social media can be used for good. This is a new medium and a new outcome. And we`re just getting word

since Nancy`s broadcast that Ashley, although she was in critical condition, has now been upgraded to stable.

SCHACHER: Good.

PINSKY: Joining us, Anahita Sedaghatfar from AnahitaLaw.com, Vanessa Barnett, social commentator, host of HipHollywood.com, and Jacinta Jimenez,

clinical psychologist.

Vanessa, first you. He reportedly stabbed her 10 times while running from the police. What was that? What was he doing?

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Clearly, this man is out of control, very dangerous and does not care about anyone. He wanted to kill

himself, he tried to kill Ashley. He`s a danger and he needs to not ever be let out.

PINSKY: Anahita, does the term A-hole apply to this guy? I notice you guys have used colorful language, Samantha, you`re (INAUDIBLE) she`s

used for us. But I think this guy really, he deserves an award.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: Yes, that`s a very great legal term, Dr. Drew. And thank God for Nancy Grace. Thank God for the woman at the

truck stop that called 911 because she really saved this little girl`s life, Dr. Drew.

And something that was mentioned in that package you just played. This man didn`t kidnap this girl. It`s not like he held her at gunpoint

and took her. She voluntarily went with him because child molesters like him, they know how to pick and groom their victims. They prey on

vulnerable people, on vulnerable kids. She was a 16-year-old girl who had problems.

Clearly, you know, they say she didn`t have friends. She was called on outsider. She had some mental issues. She was bipolar.

So, he manipulated her. And I said this before, he probably showered her with gifts, gave her the attention that she felt she wasn`t getting,

and he basically did what all child molesters do, he preyed on an innocent, vulnerable girl.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Vanessa?

BARNETT: I`m kind of upset that this isn`t categorized as an abduction. I know we were kind of playing with semantics here. But if

you`re not enough to make decisions, regarding those things, I feel like he`s taking her,

PINSKY: He is. It`s an abduction.

But, Jacinta, you help me out with this. It was a coercion really, is what we call it. It`s coercive and control, that`s what we say.

JACINTA JIMENEZ, CLINICAL PYSCHOLOGIST: Absolutely. I think she was abducted in my book because even though she physically left the house

voluntarily, in her mind, she was already being manipulated.

PINSKY: Yes. Now, hang on a minute, Sam. I`ve got some amazing video I want to share with our audience right now.

It`s a police chase who when they were chasing this guy, was shot by a motorist, a passing motorist and then posted on YouTube. Have a look at

this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody, we was right behind this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) high speed chase right here. What in the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) is

going on?

Look at -- look, look. (EXPLETIVES DELETED)

The guy is still (EXPLETIVE DELETED) going. Look (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Look. Holy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

Look at the (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

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PINSKY: And, Sam, that`s him riding on the rims of his wheels after the spikes had been thrown out on to the road.

SCHACHER: Yes, that gets my adrenaline rushing. And that poor girl what she had been going through.

PINSKY: She`d been stabbed, she had been stabbed when all that is going on.

SCHACHER: That`s what infuriates me, Dr. Drew. How often do we have to report on these stories? These child molesters, these sex offenders who

do get sentenced, they do time and then they get let out and, oh, guess what, they reoffend.

Even our own clinicians, Dr. Drew, have said that sex offenders are really hard to rehabilitate. So, why don`t we have harsher restrictions?

This guy, before all this happened, he was caught by the police with this girl, a minor in his car attempting to buy marijuana. Shouldn`t that have

been enough to put him back in jail?

PINSKY: Anahita, what about that?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, apparently, that was not a condition of his release. He was allowed to be around kids. The only condition that was

placed on him is he couldn`t live within a thousand feet from I think a school and a playground. But you guys, let me mention something --

SCHACHER: There`s the problem.

SEDAGHATFAR: Let me mention something, and I`m not blaming the parents here, so, before everyone starts attacking me. But I really -- I

can`t get over the fact that the parents of this girl knew that she was hanging out with a 41-year-old convicted child molester. Why in the world

did they continue to give her access to a cell phone and to the Internet? She was texting with this guy.

I think they said 2,000 texts in two days. That`s crazy. Why weren`t they monitoring her closely?

PINSKY: Well, hold on. I`ll tell you.

Vanessa, go ahead.

BARNETT: It was shielded by the fact that she was hanging out with the sons. And so, I think as parents, they`re like, OK, these are her

friends. These are her kids and you take a cell phone, she was --

SEDAGHATFAR: And the father --

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PINSKY: Hang on. Hold on one at a time.

Anahita, I feel like Segun. How dare you? How dare you, Anahita? How dare -- I talked to the dad. I talked to the dad and the dad had taken

away the computer, taken away the phone.

The child -- Jacinta, back me up on this -- was already in a manic state and that`s what they missed and it`s hard to tell that sometimes.

But those thousands of texts suggests that she was already decompensating.

JIMENEZ: This guy had police troopers, state troopers, attack dogs and a taser gun needed to take him down. The parents can`t control this

guy. This guy was determined and going to find her and manipulate her. And he did. It`s hard for the parents to control this kind of

determination on the perpetrator side.

SEDAGHATFAR: The parents don`t control the child molester. They control their 16-year-old girl who was mentally ill and who was on

medication.

Look, you guys, I don`t have children, so -- you know, I`m not going to say that I would do something differently. But if I had a young

daughter and she was caught in a car with a 41-year-old convicted child molester supposedly trying to buy pot, you better damn well believe she`s

not going to get a cell phone. She`s not going to be online.

PINSKY: OK. Here`s the thing, let me say this, and while I agree with you, I`m sympathetic to what you`re saying. Jacinta is saying

absolutely not.

Parenting is a tough job, everybody. It`s tough. It`s tough when you have a predator nearby. It`s tough when you don`t have a predator nearby.

And social media has made things good and bad. We have a wonderful story tonight. This is social media paid out.

And, by the way, HLN viewers -- well done. It was an HLN viewer that really broke this case. And hats off to her and the owner of the truck

stop there. They are heroes.

But listen -- parenting is tough and we have all these electronic media out there. We all try to shut it down and try to control it.

Sometimes we need to be able to communicate with the child.

I don`t know exactly what went down on this case, but maybe they did see she was decompensating and becoming manic, and wanted to have a tether

to her with the phone and were clear with her, do not text this guy. She changed the number and the name that showed up on the screen for this guy.

She was on her way already.

And sometimes, it is tough when a child is not well and starts to manipulate situations and his under the coercive control of a criminal who

is a colossal a-hole. Can I say that?

SCHACHER: Yes, amen!

PINSKY: This guy, thank God he`s been caught. They need to throw the book at him. If he comes back out, I don`t know what to say.

Anahita, you`re not allowed to defend this guy. He`s entitled to defense. You are not allowed to defend him.

SEDAGHATFAR: I won`t, I promise.

PINSKY: All right. Thank you.

Next up, I`ve got a reality star dealing with a dangerous stalker herself. I will tell you about my story with stalkers. I will tell you

about others who may be at risk.

And later, a four-year-old pole dancer at school.

Stay with us.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Anahita and Vanessa. Joining us, Heather McDonald, comedian, writer for "Chelsea Lately".

Now to our most tweeted about story, believe it or not, that last story was not tweeted as much as this one. TMZ reporting that celebrity

tattoo artist Kat Von D is receiving threatening messages via social media from a guy who has been harassing her since 2012. This unverified YouTube

video posted about 10 months ago appears to be his message to her.

Watch and listen closely.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just (EXPLETIVE DELETED) taking so long with Kathy and everything. All right. See what`s going on. She (INAUDIBLE).

I enjoy Kathy`s little make up videos.

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PINSKY: We reached out to Kat for a comment here.

And, Sam, there`s news from the LAPD, tell me about that.

SCHACHER: Yes. So, the LAPD told us that this is an ongoing investigation and that they do, Dr. Drew, they do know where the suspect is

but they just don`t see him as a threat at this time.

PINSKY: Whoa.

I want to share with everybody, the panel, some threatening tweets, TMZ reports these tweets, "Get it through your f-ing head! Lose the game

or watch people die!"

He also wrote that he was going to, quote, "go Columbine in Los Angeles".

Vanessa, that`s not enough for them to go after this guy?

BARNETT: This is infuriating. We talk all of the time about red flags and warning signs. We just talked about it with the Santa Barbara

shooting.

PINSKY: That`s right. And now, we hear -- we have them here. We have them in our grasp, these warning signs, big red flags and the police

aren`t doing anything.

I`d be terrified.

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PINSKY: Anahita, you`re making me so upset tonight. You`re shaking your head, no. No, Anahita Sedaghatfar, don`t talk back to me like that,

young lady.

SEDAGHATFAR: I`ll talk back, Dr. Drew. I`ll talk back.

OK. First of all, if the LAPD haven`t come to that conclusion, I would also say this is probably criminal stalking. But guess what, I think

the police know a lot more about this man, a lot more about this case than we do. All we know is what`s reported in the media. I mean, they`ve been

investigating this guy for over two years and they clearly don`t think he`s an eminent threat to Kat Von D or to anybody else.

PINSKY: Well, it sure looks like. Sam, doesn`t it look like it?

SCHACHER: That`s what I -- exactly. You read his tweets and you look at this video and he does not seem well. Isn`t this enough to put him on

like a 51/50 so he can go through a psychiatric evaluation.

PINSKY: Well, they may have already done that. Sam, they may have done that. They may have done that repeatedly. You can only hold somebody

for three days.

Heather, you must have had stalkers out there. You have something called erotomania. You ever heard of that?

HEATHER MCDONALD, COMEDIAN: No.

SCHACHER: What is that?

PINSKY: It`s celebrity stalkers who got to get obsessed with them.

MCDONALD: I would have thought that by now I was cute enough to have a stalker. I have not actually had a real stalker. But I have gotten

disturbing tweets and I ignore them. I either block them or if they`re mean funny, like this guy said I have flamingo legs, and I do kind of have

flamingo legs, then I just like retweet it and let the haters get to them.

But this is really, really scary and I really feel for her because -- you know, she`s probably so afraid just to go to a mall by herself. And I

feel really badly for her. You know, I think that they`re probably hopefully working with --

PINSKY: Well, he may have a psychiatrist they`re working with. Obviously, law enforcement is involved. But all the people alongside,

they`re alongside Heather a second ago, those pictures you saw, are people who have stalkers, Vanessa.

BARNETT: Yes, and I`m just confused because we`ve talked about the fact that this man has been stalking her for years.

SCHACHER: Yes.

BARNETT: She has a restraining order against him since to `12 that`s supposed to go for three years.

PINSKY: And now, he can go Columbine to the rest of us. I`m worried about the rest of us being safe here.

SEDAGHATFAR: Hopefully not. Hopefully not, Dr. Drew. But we need to take the police for their word here.

Here`s another thing, here`s another good story about social media, because here, the police can use his Facebook, his Twitter account and his

YouTube channel. I guarantee they`re monitoring him closely.

PINSKY: And we can put this stuff on television so you all, just like you helped Nancy out with the a-hole killer. The coercive --

SEDAGHATFAR: Child molester.

PINSKY: Child molester, yes.

SEDAGHATFAR: Just like that, you can also look for this guy and if you see him acting or behaving strangely, you see say something. Now,

you`ve seen what he looks like, keep an eye after that.

Next up, I`m going to tell you a little bit about my own experience with a stalker when we bring in a behavior bureau.

Also, I don`t want you to forget to please check out our Facebook. Every night we post a new after-show. Tonight, who knows who might show up

on the show.

Back in a moment.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to understand, Kat, my life is over because of you. Therefore, what would my only reason for living be?

Revenge? Get it through your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) head. Lose the game or watch people die. You`re running out of time and I`m not running out of

anger or determination.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam.

We`re talking about a creepy video and disturbing tweet sent to celebrity tattoo artist, Kat Von D. He`s allegedly a guy who`s been

harassing her for almost two years.

Let`s bring in the behavior bureau. Vanessa is still here. Joining us, Jacinta Jimenez, clinical psychologist, and La Toya Jackson, star of

"Life with La Toya," Saturdays at 10:00 on OWN.

La Toya, what are you thoughts on this creep?

LA TOYA JACKSON, "LIFE WITH LA TOYA": First of all, hello, Drew. How are you?

PINSKY: I`m good. Latoya, it`s good to see you.

JACKSON: This is just awful. We cannot wait until it`s too late. Growing up, we had lots of stalkers and the police department knew about

it, the head of our security knew about it, but they would keep it out of the media in a sense simply because once it`s publicized and in the media,

sometimes other stalkers join in and feel they can do the same thing.

PINSKY: Oh, that`s interesting.

JACKSON: So, our head of security would say keep it out of the media, never say anything about it, but we will take care of it and they would

work behind the scenes.

PINSKY: La Toya, do you think social media would have made it better or worse?

JACKSON: It`s very difficult to say because there are times I feel that social media can help a great deal, but then there are times when your

life is in more danger. But I do feel and believe that because he`s putting this out there, that we can track him.

PINSKY: Jacinta, let me ask you, should -- so anybody who becomes a celebrity just expect the some point they`re going to have a stalker?

JIMENEZ: Yes. Well it increases the likelihood for sure because there`s certain types of delusional disorders such as erotomania, I heard

you mentioned that earlier, where people believe that they have a special relationship with usually a famous person and it can become dangerous when

they realize, oh, I don`t have a special relationship a them and then they get resentful and then they get revengeful.

PINSKY: And, Vanessa, you have a terrifying experience yourself, right?

BARNETT: I did. I think that`s why I take this so seriously. I`m not a celebrity but I had a peeping tom. I had someone in any window

filming me while I was nude and I was home alone at the time. And it was terrifying.

And to think that someone can do something like that or tweet something or say whatever they want to and the police are kind of reserved

and are holding back until something happens. We can`t wait that long.

PINSKY: I know.

BARNETT: It`s too dangerous.

PINSKY: Sam, what do you say?

SCHACHER: Well, I do think -- listen, I think that social media is very beneficial in catching these people by following them. But I also

think it`s a double edged sword because just like Jacinta said, those that are subject to paranoia and delusions may think that someone is talking to

them through the TV or through lyrics in a song. Can you imagine how amplified it is when they`re following someone on Twitter or a YouTube

video? That much more personal.

PINSKY: In the early days of social media, I had a stalker. He was on MySpace. Is that what we called it? MySpace.

And he was saying horrible stuff. I thought whatever. I didn`t think much of it.

Then, I got a summons to Santa Monica small claims court where he made a claim I planted something in his tooth that made his sexual organs

respond in bizarre ways and they took the suit. It was unbelievable to me that the Santa Monica court would take that. I threw it away and then it

came back and they said you`re going to be charged $2,000 if you don`t show up.

SCHACHER: Wow!

PINSKY: And then I thought this guy`s name is familiar to me. I wonder if it`s that guy who`s so psychotic, I wonder if that psychotic guy

on Facebook. Lo and behold, it was.

SCHACHER: MySpace.

PINSKY: I clicked through the MySpace, in MySpace page, he had a Web site linking it and the Web site was hundreds of pages talking about how he

was going to torture me and my children. My wife caught wind of it, she called the police and they responded beautifully.

They found this guy. So, we had great help from it. And she stood in front of the moment, my wife -- honey, I love you -- she said, do you see

what -- this guy is talking about harming my children. I am not afraid to die. You need to do something or I`m going to go kill him. I am not

afraid to die. Suddenly Jason Ellis.

And so, I thought, it did, it worked out fine. The guy was psychotic. He was on methamphetamine. He also had some schizophrenic form type of

stuff. He was treated successfully and his delusions went away. It was kind of a winning story for everybody.

It could have gone differently. These can go very bad.

JIMENEZ: Yes, t can go very bad because they think if I can`t be connected to them in a personal loving relationship, then I can get

connected to them in a tragic way, and that`s when they resort to violence.

PINSKY: They do. It`s nonsensical and it`s absolutely violent.

La Toya, last thoughts.

JACKSON: And that`s what`s so bad about it because they truly believe they`re in love with you, you`re in love with them, and you have this whole

life together. And once they realize, they come to the conclusion that, no, I don`t know you, you have nothing to do with me, that flips, that

turns and change, and they`re ready to kill you and attack you. And they let you know that.

We`ve had this in our life. I`ve had them in my room and they follow me. They were in my room, putting up my wallpaper this one guy. Little

did I know that he was stalking me. He knew every inch in my room, everything about it.

PINSKY: Were the police responsive? Did they help you get the guy?

JACKSON: Yes, they did. The head of our security helped in everything. But he followed me everywhere I went. He said we had three

kids together and I`m not being a good mother and I need to come home and take care of the kids.

PINSKY: It`s a crazy feeling. You have no -- you don`t have a lot of defense unless you take action -- thankfully you had your own security, at

least the police helped you.

Here`s the deal. We have a situation, just how many weeks ago in Santa Barbara, if we had taken these things more seriously, really look at

the Facebook posts and realize that social media is a -- how shall I describe this -- a domain for people to express their symptomatology and

learn how to read this and react to it.

Next up, four-year-old pole dancing. I`ll explain.

Later, caught on tape, a violent assault and robbery. The victim in this case is a pregnant female. We`ll show you the full video.

Back after this.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam.

And a group of women are accusing a gynecologist of having molested them in his exam room. At least a half a dozen women tell similar stories

about this gentleman, Dr. Robert Hadden. He allegedly -- according to these women, performed oral sex or fondled women while they were still on his

exam table. He had them draped (ph) and blocking their view and apparently they didn`t know what was going on. Apparently, many of these victims did

not report this right away. And I`m here to tell you that, if for no other reason, we`re addressing this story because it is cautionary tale for each

f us to trust your instincts and to remind ourselves that people in authority are there responsible to us. And we -- if they break that trust,

please tell somebody. The Doctor Hadden has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges. These are still allegations. Vanessa and Heather are back, and

joining us here, SiriusXM radio host, Jason Ellis. Vanessa, your reaction.

VANESSA BARNETT: You know, this pervy doctor as we`re calling him, is the worst kind, not only is he put preying on these women in barnacle

situations, but he would go into the room with a nurse, leave the room and then come back by himself. So, he can do these disgusting deeds on these

women. And these women felt like they didn`t have the power speak out. It`s just disheartening and disgusting.

PINSKY: Heather, I know you were anxious that you should have a stalker and I`m sure hearing La Toya`s story, were diminished you further.

HEATHER MCDONALD, CHELSEA LATELY: Of course, I don`t want a stalker.

PINSKY: You`re cute enough for a stalker, but you don`t want to get this kind of reaction -- you know, sort of interaction with your

gynaecologist.

MCDONALD: Honestly, could you stop showing that guy`s face. It`s so disgusting. I`m going to barf right now thinking about it.

PINSKY: Go ahead.

MCDONALD: It`s awful. It`s just awful. I mean, yeah, as she was saying, it`s so tricky, like -- because when I first heard about that, I`m

like, wait, aren`t nurses supposed to be in the room, but he really -- he was violating the nurse`s trust too because he snuck back in. And of

course, they -- the women were probably like, what`s going on. They didn`t know because the drape was there.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Right, and it seemed like, Samantha, he might have, you know - - he might have access to their -- we don`t know if this all happened. These are all allegations at this point, but I can imagine a way he could

see the medical record, go oh, sexual abuse survive, somebody that`s a good victim here.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, DR. DREW ON CALL HOST: Yeah. This guy seems like a sneaky pig, a disgusting pig, because a lot of these, his victims, they all

have the same story. So, that`s why I tend to believe these women, his victims. You know what, Dr. Drew, there are reports before this. So, why

wasn`t his license taken away prior, and I think it`s so outrageous that some of these victims aren`t allowed to join this lawsuit because of the

statute of limitations. There should not be a statute of limitations in sexual assault cases, rape cases, because these often times don`t feel

comfortable coming forward right away, because of the stigma. So, where is their justice?

PINSKY: I know, and, Jason, I`m going to get your thoughts.

JASON ELLIS, RADIO HOST: I actually did a little bit of this on my radio show. And I got gynaecologists to call in and tell me what they were

thinking when they saw those (inaudible) vaginas. And a guy called in and said that, every now and then, if it`s a good, like, whoa, that`s pretty

cool, which tells me to tell you, if you`re gonna have a vagina, and you look at it by a doctor, make it a woman. We can`t control it.

PINSKY: I don`t know quite -- I`m getting into the -- I`m feeling like, Heather, now wanna barf, because we should be able to have enough

professional argument (ph) to have a professional attitude and not be overcome by ridiculous urges that only harm people. Vanessa.

BARNETT: Yeah. And on the flip side though. You know, I think, a lot of women may say that, oh, I don`t want a male doctor. But that`s not

stereo type all male doctor. I`ve had one in the past, I don`t right now. And maybe that because of my own apprehensions, but I can`t go -- I don`t

feel comfort saying that all men are going to look at my hooha and think dirty thoughts, I don`t think that.

PINSKY: The reality is that we -- anybody in a position of authority, whether it`s management, whether it`s physician, whether it`s teacher,

should be able to maintain their professional ethics in such a way that they can look after you without being concerned about what they want or

need in that moment. That`s the job. To the other person comes first, and a lot of people can do that. Male or female, they can do that. But some

can`t, and they.

ELLIS: Doesn`t mean they`re not thinking about it. Sorry.

PINSKY: I`m just saying -- well.

BARNETT: That`s like saying all men cheat, like you can`t make general statements like that. Some men are professional.

PINSKY: Next up, I`ve got the four-year-old pole dancing. I will explain what`s going on with that. Speaking of Facebook, we have a lot of

new material there, fresh after show everyday behind the screen photos. Check it out. Please give us a like. We`re still in that competition, and

back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A birthday spanking caught on tape when a teacher puts a student over her knee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A teacher gives her 15-year-old student a birthday present, allegedly a lap dance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was it a lap dance or was it just a happy birthday celebration? Can you talk to us about that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No comment.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Heather, Vanessa and La Toya. A fitness company specializing in pole dancing performed at a school with students ages 4

through 12. Parents reportedly had quite a reaction when the show included a 4-year-old participating in the -- it wasn`t a lap dance, it`s a pole

dance. School officials say this young child simply was learning aerial skills. Sam, what are we hearing on the Dr Drew HLN Facebook page?

SCHACHER: OK. So, first of all, we had over 300 comments, Dr. Drew, in the first hour alone after posting this story, and there is overwhelming

support for the parents who are angry. So, I`m going to share just one of my favorite posts. This comes from a woman named Tina Marie, she writes, oh

hell no. Why can`t they do regular exercise routines and things for kids? This is ridiculous. Will Miley Cyrus be the instructor?

PINSKY: La Toya, you`re nodding your head. Do you agree with that?

LA TOYA JACKSON, LIFE WITH LA TOYA: This is so disturbing to hear. What are we teaching our girls? What -- look at society what are we doing

here? I mean, it`s so disturbing to know that you would take your little girls, the message that you`re giving them that it`s OK to do that, to grow

up and do this? It`s -- I just -- I`m so upset by this.

PINSKY: And, Heather, certainly you`ve taken a pole dancing class or two.

MCDONALD: You know what? I haven`t. But I`m so sick of seeing it in every reality show. I wish it would just go away. I mean, can we come up

with a new story line. But, you know what, it is really good exercise but it is associated with stripping and for that reason, there`s no kid should

be pole dancing.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Four-year-old. The school posted an official statement on their website. It reads in part, quote, this event had a number of circus

skilled themed gymnastic activities of which pole fitness was one. The performance was Disney themed. All of this was entirely appropriate for

young children and families. Now, Vanessa, you told me last night that you were interested in IV therapy for your tequila consumption from the night

before. I heard you are defending pole dancing, and so, I want to hear from you.

BARNETT: Yes. We need to, first of all, separate pole dancing from strippers. These little babies aren`t taking off their diapers and twirling

them around the pole. Pole dancing is fitness. I`ve done it myself and overseas they do it as a real acrobatic act. You have to have abs of steel,

arms of steel. I don`t want people thinking that this four-year-old is on the playground taking off her top for dollars.

PINSKY: Hang on, Sam. I want to go to, La Toya, because, Vanessa, idolized La Toya, I want, La Toya, to have at here a little bit, because

she.

JACKSON: Vanessa, I truly and clearly -- listen to me, hear me out, that`s the wrong message to send to little girls. I don`t care. There are

so many other exercises that they can do.

BARNETT: Yes, but how about we change the way they look at pole dancing. How about we heighten the awareness of fitness in multiple ways?

What`s the difference between a monkey bar, to the horizontal pole and a vertical pole? We need to change what their idea is about pole dancing, and

so that not everybody who`s on the pole that`s stripping for dollars.

JACKSON: But look what it`s associated with. It`s what it`s associated with actually.

BARNETT: And that why, we get to change that. We get to change the way people think.

PINSKY: Right. So, Samantha, Vanessa, very much like Miley Cyrus is going to adjust our sense of -- sensibilities about these things.

SCHACHER: OK. Well, listen, Vanessa, I love you and I usually agree with you. And I like me a good pole dance. I think it`s beautiful. It takes

skill and strength, but at that school and these four-year-olds were dressed rather provocatively, little short shorts, not OK. And the

instructors, when they we`re dancing, Vanessa, they were upside down leg spread eagle sliding down that pole with little kids watching. Not OK.

PINSKY: Let`s put this one to rest. Next up, a guy caught in a -- something that`s caught on tape and going viral. This is a -- another

disturbing behavior, a pregnant woman behind the counter here punched in the face during a robbery. It`s unbelievable. Pregnant woman, find out what

happens next. And a reminder, you can find us at any time on Instagram @drdrewhln. And please do DVR us so you can watch us any time. We`ll be

right back after this.

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PINSKY: Back with Samantha, Heather, Jason, and Jacinta, a man punches a store clerk in the face, then robs the store and the truly disturbing

part about this, if that was not enough, the clerk was pregnant. It was caught on camera. I`m going to show you the video but I want to warn you,

this video is quite graphic. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the surveillance video you can see the man talking with the store clerk when he suddenly swings his arm and punches

her in the face. A blow so powerful she falls on her back. The make matters worse, the woman is pregnant. After punching her, the man walked behind the

counter and asked her how to open the register. She complies with his demands. He then opens the register and begins taking cash.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: The video was released to police, public say, it was shared multiple times on Facebook, which led then subsequent to several tips, and

earlier today because of these Facebook posts, they caught this guy. That poor woman, the clerk has suffered a broken nose. She was begging for her -

- the life of her child to this guy and he was brutal. She seems however to be OK at this point. Jason, you`re a professional fighter. That punch, I

don`t know what you think of a guy like this, but certainly that punch could have hurt her and the child.

ELLIS: Of course it could have. I think that she proved how weak he is, because she didn`t go out from that punch. That was a clean -- I`m not

looking punch to the face. So, she`s tougher than him. I bet that she could have beaten him if she had done the same to him. And I think they should

throw the book at people like that, you`re so weak. You know, coming back at her, you at rehabilitated, anybody that does that is psychotic and needs

to be put away for the rest of their lives.

PINSKY: Heather.

MCDONALD: I totally agree. And you know what, it`s horrible that she is a female and pregnant but at the same time, so what? If it with as man

that was punched like this, it`s just so brutal. It`s just so out of nowhere, and I feel so badly for anybody that is at a job like this where

they kind of work by themselves and are susceptible to this kind of crime, where some could just walk in and act like this. It`s horrible.

PINSKY: And to send (ph) at this guy has been in and out of jail for the last 20 years, mainly robberies and assault. Is this a hopeless case?

How do we identify hopeless cases? Should we deal, bring in these guys -- they don`t certainly don`t get better with our penitentiary system.

JACINTA JIMENEZ, PSY. D.: No. I`m not surprised to hear that he had like this criminal history. But the thing that surprises me, was the dude

walked in, saw her pregnant, walked back out and then walk back in, and punched her in the face. Either, he has -- was going through withdraw soon,

and needed a (inaudible) he desperate or this guy has some no moral content. Whatever reason, it`s just really.

PINSKY: Yeah. I mean, really -- that`s right. I mean, the only time I`ve seen people act in ways that are so desperate that you can`t even

understand it is when they`re opiate addicts desperate for the next fix. That happens. They don`t look like this, though. They don`t look so casual

and cool. This guy seems more exempt to me like a psychopath and has no empathy for anybody other than what he wants in that moment.

ELLIS: That`s what I think, anybody that does that is going way above, like I`m addicted to drugs and I need the money versus I go to another

store, get a fake gun. Punch woman -- a pregnant woman in the face, it takes more than drugs to go for that move.

PINSKY: Sam, hold on a second. Was this Florida again?

SCHACHER: Yeah, it was. Pensacola, Florida.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Of course it was.

SCHACHER: I could have told you that, Dr. Drew, without even having to know the facts. That`s pretty unfortunate. Sorry Floridians. But, no, I

agree with everyone here on the panel. And, Jason, yes, I think, that this guy is psychotic. He has 20 years of criminal history, and so, brazen of

him to just go in there and punch her. He didn`t have to do that. He could have just demanded she give him the cash, pretend he had a fake gun, like

you said. But he clearly just doesn`t care and I think he should be locked up for life.

ELLIS: I wish I could be pregnant so he can punch me in the face and see what happens.

PINSKY: I wish I`m going pregnant, too, but as I`m reporting this story, I`m realizing, this guy probably gets off on the fact that we`re

reporting it. He probably actually likes the fact, Jacinta, that we`re talking about him.

ELLIS: But in a way, end it.

PINSKY: All right, let`s go on to the next story. This is something that I -- Sam, is laughing because she`s part of the problem here.

SCHACHER: Hey.

PINSKY: You`re going to find out why. It is a story that has gone viral in a huge way. I couldn`t believe what was happening all day long.

This guy -- that guy is a felon.

ELLIS: Whatever. What is wrong with you?

PINSKY: That`s my question for the next block. What is wrong with Sam? And frankly, thousands of women. I`ve never seen so much Facebook sharing

@drdrewhln as today just from this picture. I`ll remind you, this guy is a felon and this is the most shared Facebook story of the day after this.

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PINSKY: All right. This is the story that has me flummoxed. As you guys talking, more than 400 shares and 800 comments on our Facebook page.

I`m back with Sam, Heather, Jason, and Jacinta. We`re talking about our so- called, hot felon. This is Jeremy Meeks. He is accuse of six felonies counts for weapons charges and strip terrorism, Sam. He stalked in police

department, posted his mug shot, along with several others in a new campaign to deter crime in hopes of shaming these criminals on social

media. But instead, instead of women taking the appropriate posture, they`re having a slightly different reaction. They`re behaving more like

school girls, swooning over his eyes.

ELLIS: Oh, my goodness.

PINSKY: Heather, help me out here. What`s going on?

MCDONALD: Well, you know, I`ve always been really fascinated by women that choose to love and marry prisoners.

PINSKY: There`s one in a box right near you there. There`s right up there.

SCHACHER: Hey, excuse me, Dr. Drew. This guy is gorgeous. And it`s such a double standard. You remember the reaction from men when disgusting

murderer Jodi Arias with all over the news? So, come on. Why can`t we give this guy credit? He`s beautiful.

MCDONALD: He`s a great looking person. But also I think there`s a bit of attraction about the fact that he is a criminal because women marry

prisoners all of the time because they have all of the time in the world to give you attention and write you letters and call you and you don`t have to

worry about if they`re cheating on you, except they might be cheating on you with a guy or something.

PINSKY: You don`t really care about that, do you?

MCDONALD: But he`s gorgeous. He looks like he should be in the Fast And The Furious. It`s too bad he`s not an actor.

PINSKY: Jason, help me.

ELLIS: Samantha, of all people, you`re a very beautiful person and you just so happen to be very smart. He obviously is kind of beautiful, I`ll

grant you that. What`s his neck tattoo? It looks hideous.

SCHACHER: His neck tattoo is hot. And first of all, I`m not saying I`m gonna got date him. I`m just giving somebody credit.

ELLIS: You`re giving a psycho mean guy props. I`m trying to say, he`s a very attractive man which means, as you know being a pretty girl, he

could have used other ways to make a living in his life. But he chose the violent road which means he`s the bimbo.

SCHACHER: I agree.

(CROSSTALK)

ELLIS: (Inaudible) You`re smarter than that. Stop giving him props.

JIMENEZ: I want to say something.

PINSKY: Jacinta, please. Go, go. You got it. (CROSSTALK)

JIMENEZ: Attractive people have advantages and it`s a sad, sad truth. They get paid better. People think you`re smarter. They`re more trust

worthy.

ELLIS: That`s why, Drew, is on TV.

PINSKY: But interestingly.

JIMENEZ: And people actually think they`re more mentally healthy though, too. So, it`s piece of advantage.

PINSKY: Attractive men, though oftentimes are less trusted than men that are average looking, which kind of interesting. And those -- Jason, we

know these guys can`t be trusted. We know he`s up to something, right?

ELLIS: Yeah. He had it easy, had the high road. He could have been in a boy band but no, he`s got guns, and a stupid tattoo on his neck, that`s

just a bad one. He`s has no friends. He`s a scary man. Girls don`t make him out to be hot.

PINSKY: Let he turn the tables a little bit. And show, Jason, this mug shot of Meagan Simmons. If you remember her, she was so good looking, she

was also arrested, but she was so hot that Instant Checkmate created a whole ad around her. There it is. Sometimes the cute ones aren`t so

innocent. Now, Jason, she`s OK though, right?

ELLIS: No.

PINSKY: No?

ELLIS: No. What`s wrong with you all? Just she`s king of hot, doesn`t mean, you`re worth of hanging out with all given props. You`re a psycho. Go

to jail with your pretty face. Put a mask on.

PINSKY: Sam.

SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh.

MCDONALD: You have to know how to give a great mug shot. I`ve been practicing mine. Would you like to see it?

PINSKY: I would, Heather, please. SCHACHER: Oh, yes.

PINSKY: That`s pretty good.

SCHACHER: That`s good.

MCDONALD: Like a little bit sad but still kind of pretty.

JIMENEZ: I like the seriousness in it.

SCHACHER: I like the mug shots when it`s like a -- for girls, when they have mascara and they have like the dirty tear.

PINSKY: You guys, we`re still on television here. Jacinta, one last thing here. Why do -- a lot of the so-called nice guys, I hear from these

guys al the time on love line and other place (inaudible) the bad guys, most women do sort of get over that phase in their life, but if they had a

dad that was not so good, it become as permanent preoccupation, doesn`t it?

JIMENEZ: Yes, and absolutely, because we get -- we associate the bad guy thing with what we know about love. And so, we re-enact that, because

it feels familiar. That`s what we know what love to be, and so, it gets reacted over and over and over again.

PINSKY: And, Sam, I`m not putting you in that category. I know, you doesn`t want.

ELLIS: I am.

SCHACHER: No.

PINSKY: I know, Sam, wouldn`t actually go for this guy.

SCHACHER: Thank you, Dr. Drew. I need to defend myself a little bit here, just because.

PINSKY: You know why I know that?

SCHACHER: Why.

PINSKY: Because your dad is such a cool guy, and I know for sure, and I know you got a.

SCHACHER: And my husband.

PINSKY: And your husband is a cool guy. Though you guys maybe do some alternative stuff I don`t necessarily want to know about. Let me switch

gears here for a quick second. Jason, you hold your tongue. I want to switch gears here for just a second here. I`ve got to give everyone an

update on Ashley Leone (ph). We got to switch to something -- again, much more serious where we started this evening. She of course is the bipolar

teen who went missing. Ashley, this poor girl, bipolar disorder, became manic was coerced by what I called the a-hole sex offender. She was stabbed

multiple times, by this guy during a high speed chase tonight. She was initially in critical condition but she has been upgraded to stable. We

have this just in from the police. They`ve now charged this guy, the 41- year-old previously convicted sex offender, Steven Myers with first degree attempted murder. Jason, hopefully this will be the last time we see this

guy walking amongst us.

ELLIS: Yeah. I would like to see him get out of that one. I feel like you`re pretty much done after that, which is -- I wish he would have stayed

in and not came out at all, then this girl wouldn`t have gone through so much tragedy.

PINSKY: And again, reminder, that this was a success. This is one of the successes of social media. This is because people had seen this guy on

social media posts and of course on HLN, and with Nancy. And they put it together in their mind. They`ve seen enough of it. They saw this guy, they

saw something and they said something and that made the difference between this girl making it out safely and not. Sam, last thought.

SCHACHER: Yeah, last thought. I`m with you, Jason, this guy should have never gotten out in the first place. So, what, he did it times 15

years. He obviously wasn`t rehabilitated and he should have been kept in that jail cell.

PINSKY: All right, now, after this show we start our after-show on Facebook in just a minute. Tonight, We`re going to bring La Toya in -- La

Toya, and I`m gonna bring her erotomania stalker, Vanessa, in here and read the criteria for erotomania and see if, Vanessa, meets up any of

those, and any of the rest of the panel who would like to join us here on the set, we`ll have an after-show, and then it will be on Facebook Dr. Drew

HLN. Forensic Files, of course, follows us after and it begins in fact right now.

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