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Hot Car Child Death Case
Aired July 15, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, new information about Hot Car Dad, a childhood friend is here with details never before made public. And why he
thinks these parents are innocent.
Plus.
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JADA: I just think everyone should speak out because it`s not right at all. And I know many people who just sit there and don`t do anything.
PINSKY: Jada, the girl who says she was raped while unconscious and exposed in pictures on social media tells me why she is speaking out.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening. My co-host is Samantha Schacher. And coming up, I have the letter that Sandra Bullock`s stalker wrote to her. He is not just
an overzealous fan but someone who I think it may well be mentally ill and potentially dangerous. Here I got the entire search warrant, Sam, here
right in my hand.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Yes. And Dr. Drew he got into her house while she was there, and he also had it done.
PINSKY: Yes. Automatic weapons -- this guy is dangerous.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: We`ll tell you about it in a sec, but first breaking news. Hot Car Mom is speaking out about her husband, the death of their son and all
the attention that has come her way. She of course has not been charged, but just hours ago I`ve got another document here, this is now the letter
that her attorney released on her behalf.
Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This statement, hot off the presses. "Reporters have delved into Leanna`s upbringing, her employment, quizzed people for
information about her marriage, and her sex life."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Basically saying, "Leave my client alone."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Leanna Harris, be happy (ph) to defend (ph) her own actions.
PINSKY: The first thing she says to her husband is, "Did you say too much?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In court, Thursday, she showed almost no reaction to the lurid details of her husband`s alleged sexting to a number of women the
day her son was dying.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were there sex and texts and messages talking about the fact to his wife knew he had cheated on her before?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, there were.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is like emotionless. She is showing bubble gum.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not convinced based on the internet searches. I`m not convinced based on the mother`s eulogy at the child`s funeral. I
think people grieved differently.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After he`s talking about how Cooper looked peaceful and his eyes were closed, she goes, "I dreaded how he would look."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dreaded, past tense?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, in past tense.
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PINSKY: Here`s another part of the attorney`s statement. Let me quote it for you, "Newspapers, television and online media have fostered a poisonous
atmosphere in which Leanna`s every word, action, and emotion or failure to cry in front of a crowd is scrutinized for supposed hidden meaning."
Joining us, Anahita Sedaghatfar, our attorney, Segun Oduolowu, social commentator, Yasmin Vossoughian, HLN Correspondent, and we here, on Dr.
Drew On Call, would love to invite Leanna Harris to join us on this program or to give us more information to tell her side of the story. We would be
delighted to present it.
Now Anahita, she is not been charged, two, and you`ve been very skeptical of what people have been saying about her. But my question to you Anahita
is why is her lawyer saying anything since she`s not been charged?
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: Well, he has to say something, Dr. Drew. And in fact I`m surprised that`s it took this long for her to get an
attorney because she`s being literally scrutinized as their attorney said which is something I said on your show from the beginning. She`s under a
microscope. The police are watching her. She -- her husband is being charged with murder, of course she`s going to need an attorney to speak out
and protect her interest.
And let`s not forget, Dr. Drew, the police have served numerous subpoenas and those subpoenas encompass some of her property as well. So she needs
representation, and that has absolutely nothing to do with her guilt or innocence. Innocent people have the right to an attorney as well. Good
for her.
PINSKY: Right. But the fact that she`s not been charged tells.
SEDAGHATFAR: Right.
PINSKY: . tells you that there`s not likely to be anything coming at this point, right?
SEDAGHATFAR: That`s possible. I think the police are still conducting an investigation and we don`t know what`s likely to happen but based on what
they have now, it would be silly for them to charge her with anything because there`s not tangible evidence that she was involved in any way with
the death of her child.
PINSKY: All right. Let`s look at some of this -- some of the issues that have, you know, sort of been add issue here. In the statement, she doesn`t
mention her attorney at even one time. So Yasmin, my question to you is does she distance herself from him in this letter? Is that part of the
strategy going forward, you think?
YASMIN VOSSOUGHIAN, HLN CORRESPONDENT: I mean, I think there is just to an extent she`s trying to distance herself. But I think what`s more important
is that this letter is actually inflaming the situation. I mean here we are, we just read what the media is doing, and then here we are, we`re
talking about exactly this story and what they mentioned in the letter. I mean she`s right, if for some reason, she was not involved in what happens
to little Cooper, there is to a certain extent, we are all sort of, you know, clamoring on top of this story.
I was a reporter outside of her home. I was a reporter inquiring into what Leanna does in her life, about their relationship, about their roles as
parents, but that`s our job. And ultimately, there were suspicious things that took place after little Cooper died that led to us to believe that
something else is going on here. So that`s our job as journalist, as media professionals to go after the story and figure out what`s really going on.
PINSKY: Segun, which side you fall on the story?
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, Dr. Drew, what bothers me the most is when Anahita said that innocent people need attorneys, too. I
mean, I really think she could have nip this in the butt and just said, "You know what, distance myself from my husband. I don`t know -- you know,
I am in no way a part of this, and let the investigation conduct on it`s own."
PINSKY: So hold on. Segun, wait a second, you and Anahita are conflicting on an issue? Let me understand this, is this possible? Go ahead Anahita,
how about that?
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, no. That`s absolutely ridiculous. I mean that`s not how our legal system works. Number one, she`s standing by her man because
she clearly doesn`t think that he intentionally killed their son. So, of course, you know, she doesn`t need to distance herself from him.
ODUOLOWU: But Anahita, if she`s standing by her husband who accidentally killed their son, then she`s standing by a murderer which means her
judgment in one way or another is impaired.
SEDAGHATFAR: What if it was an accident? Theoretically, she`s going to.
ODUOLOWU: OK, how about this, do you.
SEDAGHATFAR: What if it was an accident, is she going to divorce her husband?
ODUOLOWU: No, no, no. Do you buy that?
SEDAGHATFAR: Or stand by his side?
ODUOLOWU: Do you buy that? Do you believe it`s an accident? As a lawyer and as a human being, do you believe it`s an accident?
SEDAGHATFAR: We`ve had this discussion numerous times.
ODUOLOWU: Do you.
SEDAGHATFAR: I don`t believe -- I do no believe that evidence suggest beyond a reasonable doubt that this is an intentional killing.
ODUOLOWU: That is such legalese.
VOSSOUGHIAN: Hey Anahita.
ODUOLOWU: That such legalese as opposed to the question I asked you.
PINSKY: But he did -- but Sam, he did -- but (inaudible), Segun did ask an intriguing question. Let`s say it is an accident and you were in that
position, would you -- could you stand by your husband? It`s a great question.
SCHACHER: Yes, Dr. Drew. If it was an accident, but I`m telling you, where there`s smoke, there`s fire and this just as past this (inaudible).
I`m sorry Anahita, do you think it`s just a mere coincidence that this father drove the 10 minutes, OK? 10 minutes to the shopping center, never
once, when he, I guess occasionally look in his rearview mirror, did he not see his son`s head that was too tall for that too small of a child seat,
never once did he not smell as the officers describe it as overwhelming death.
There`s so much evidence. And yes, it`s circumstantial, but like I said earlier, piece that together and it does suggest that something far more
sinister happened and not just a mere accident.
PINSKY: Well, Sam. Let me ask Anahita because I got to get out. The answer, yes, she thinks it could be an accident beyond reasonable doubt,
yes. Am I (inaudible) reasonably, Anahita, right?
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. You sum that up fairly quickly. Thank you.
PINSKY: Fair enough. We`ve got to go because next up, I`ve got Hot Car Dad`s best friend here with me. I`ll be very interested to hear what he is
thinking about his jailed buddy tonight. This is an HLN exclusive.
And later, we will hear from the teen who says she was raped while unconscious, and the ultimately exposed and shamed on social media.
Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She stated that she had first met Ross and she knew much Ross through Skout, which is another messaging service. And that he
had met up -- that he wanted to hook up with her. She says something to the fact that, "Do you have a conscience?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what was his reply?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Nope."
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PINSKY: I`m back with Sam. We`re talking about Hot Car Dad, his wife released a statement through her attorney just hours ago. I`ve got it
right here and let`s bring in the Behavior Bureau to discuss.
Joining us, Wendy Walsh, psychologist, author of The 30-Day Love Detox, Emily Roberts, psychotherapist, and Jennifer Keitt, radio host and life
coach. I`ve also got Tyler Bryan on the phone with us. This is an HLN exclusive. He grew up with so-called Hot Car Dad.
Now, Tyler, you knew Justin and Leanna quite well. What were they like as a couple?
TYLER BRYAN, FRIEND: Well, I can`t honestly say that I knew them well as a couple. I`d really didn`t know Leanna all that well. I did, you know, I
grew up with Ross. I`ve known him since I was, you know, 10 years old basically. I went to school with him. But, you know, the Ross Harris that
I knew growing up all the way into college and so on, is just not, you know, as it has been portrayed.
PINSKY: And so to you, he`s just the good guy that everyone has sort of expressed him to be. But now, we`ve heard all these evidence of him
sexting with a bunch of women, some of them under age, trying to hook up. What were your thoughts about that?
BRYAN: You know, of course, I was just, you know, I`m surprised like anybody else because again, to me, the Ross Harris that I knew which is --
I mean really is the only Ross Harris that I can attest to is just, you know, he is just -- one of the most friendly people you`ve ever met. He`s
someone that everybody seem to know.
It was amazing to me, you know, just like -- you know, when we were in college in a large campus, a large, you know, campus population, it was
amazing to me to meet people that weren`t even from our hometown that knew him, or, you know, you look at him.
PINSKY: Samantha, you have a question for Tyler?
SCHACHER: I do. Tyler, when you knew Ross, was he consumed with his appearance, his reputation? Would you describe him as a possible
narcissist?
BRYAN: No. No. The Ross that I knew was incredibly laidback. I mean, he really was the one person you could point to that really got along with
everybody. He didn`t have any problems as far as I knew with anybody else. He got no enemies that I knew of...
PINSKY: Tyler, let me interrupt you. You knew this guy, we`re hearing this conflicting stories about him, help us make sense of all this. How do
you make sense of it as someone who really knew him well and intimately?
BRYAN: You know, it`s one of those thing were it`s hard for me to make sense of.
PINSKY: Try, reach. Help us. We were trying to -- should we say this was an accident or then - and that Leanna`s just grieving the way she grieves.
Or should we be suspicious and should this alter life that he`s leading. Tell us something about his motivations.
BRYAN: All I can really say, all I can really attest to again is the Ross that I knew. And the Ross that I knew, the Ross that I, you know, I want
to believe him to be is -- this is -- it got to be an accident. It got to be an accident.
PINSKY: That`s helpful, Tyler. That`s helpful for us. Stand by please, and by the way thank you so much for being here with us and helping us try
to come to terms to this. I`m going to go out to my panel.
Emily, I`m going to go to you first. You hear what this man said, you`ve seen the story. What are your thoughts?
EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: It`s bizarre. I mean I just can`t get over the fact that could it be an accident, yes. I think it could
absolutely be an accident but it also feel like there is something sticky here. I can`t quite put my fingers on it but there is something here that
speaks to a little bit of, I don`t know, like a psychotic break or I can`t quite figure it out. I`m curious to hear a little bit more.
PINSKY: Yes. I am really with you, too. I can`t get my head around this. And Wendy, your thoughts?
WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I want to gently remind his friend that even, you know, serial killers can have great social skills. I mean the
fact that he got along with a lot of.
PINSKY: Wendy -- but Wendy, those people, there`s some evidence of something. We (inaudible) -- I mean the only evidence we have is this
goofy, alternative sex life he was practicing. And that -- maybe that was just sort of his porn practice or he was.
WALSH: Yes, or his moral reasoning. Maybe it`s a major character thing that he was suppressing his whole life with all these friendly people he
was being and he was conforming to all their needs and being likeable. But inside, his moral barometer was completely off. He may not had a
conscience.
PINSKY: Well, he says he doesn`t. Jennifer, should we believe that at his word?
JENNIFER KEITT, RADIO HOST: You see, I guess my biggest question is did he seem like the kind of person while he was in college or growing up with him
that could forget his child? Is that -- does that even seem reasonable to his friend that you could forget your child?
PINSKY: Tyler, can you answer that question? I believe you have children too, is that correct?
BRYAN: Yes, sir, I do.
PINSKY: Can you imagine, can you -- as a dad as a father, how do we as men with children understand that -- I mean the only way I can sort of make
sense of it as a clinician is say maybe he got so preoccupied with his, you know, his appearance and his sexual acting out.
KEITT: But seven hours.
PINSKY: And, but it`s you know -- help us.
KEITT: But how do you forget your kid? Did he see anything?
PINSKY: Yes. Tyler, what do you say?
SCHACHER: Right.
BRYAN: You know, as a father -- and yes, you know, I can`t speak for what Ross may have been thinking or what he was doing, I wasn`t in his head. I
was not in the situation, you know. I`m completely outside of it. But, you know, speaking personally, yes, as a father, you want to sit here and
you want say, "No, I could never, ever do this." My kids are the most precious things in the world to me and they are.
My daughter is two years old, she`s only a handful of months older than Cooper. You know, my son is only 9 weeks old. You want to believe that
you cannot do this. You cannot do something like this, but, you know, one of the things that this whole situation has pointed out and it has come
across on all of the news channels, is how many cases of this happens. And how many.
PINSKY: Yes.
KEITT: Yes.
BRYAN: . people out there have forgotten their kids and then realized it in time and, you know, it`s just -- these are all good people. You want to
believe that they`re good people. They just had I guess, you know, what we call just a lapse in.
PINSKY: And let me wrap up this, guys. I`ve got to go and Tyler again, thank you so much for your thoughts on this. But let me just say with this
one last thought and that is that there`s a reason that a healthy life is a better life. There`s a reason. Your judgment remains intact, your
concentration of focus is better, your priorities are lined up. A simple, healthy life is a better life. It`s why these things only happen, well not
exclusively, but it tend to happen to people who are -- they got some other things going on oftentimes.
Now, maybe they`re maybe ill, or the may have really serious character pathology. But it can be things as simple as you just get your priorities
wrong and then bad things happen.
So, it`s a reminder to all of us when we`re parents to live a certain kind of life. If it starts going downstream with a porn addiction, ask for help
early. Not late before the consequences come to bear.
Next up, more children as Tyler mentioned, locked in hot cars. Why don`t these parents seem to be able to know better?
And later, new details about Sandra Bullock`s home invader revealed of course a stalker, what we call an erotomaniac who got too close to the star
back after this.
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PINSKY: Georgia, temperature 89 degrees. Father didn`t bring his 3-month old into court with him. So he allegedly left him in the car, (inaudible)
the windows and locked the door. The baby was rescued by a concerned bystander.
Florida, temperature 92 degrees. A mother allegedly left her 19-month in her locked car for 40 minutes while she shop at Target. The car was
running and the air conditioning on low.
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PINSKY: I`m back with Sam, Jennifer and Anahita. Joining us, Caroline Stanbury, star of Ladies of London.
Now, those two stories we mentioned both happen within the last 24 hours. Caroline, people are leaving in spite of the discussions about this, people
are leaving their children in these vehicles and overheating despite all the news coverages. Isn`t this surprising to you?
CAROLINE STANBURY, ACTRESS: Well, I want to think that it`s due to a lack of education and I`m not really understanding that how hot the car can get
in such a short amount of time, and not a lack of care. Also, anyone that has children, I think, pretty much knows to gather all the paraphernalia to
leave the car and to run into a shop sometimes maybe are thinking like this. But I would never, ever do this.
PINSKY: Do you think Caroline that -- do you think most of us just as Yankees doing this or do you think -- and by the way, and you live, you
know, in the UK. The temperatures don`t get as hot as this, and you were saying you would never do it even in a cooler climate. I`m wondering if
people run out of the car thinking, I`m just going to be a second and they end up doing it far longer than they thought they would, Caroline?
STANBURY: I think they do. I mean it`s -- in England we -- it started -- it came to my attention because it was more for animals. People were
leaving their dogs in the car.
PINSKY: Right.
STANBURY: I mean, the thought of leaving -- I wouldn`t leave my children in the car for many more reasons than the heat. I mean, you know, I have
4-year old twin boys. I mean, they`re gorgeous and I would`ve thought that, you know, someone would take them before I -- you know, or anything
like that.
So to leave hem for seven hours and just say that I forgot, I just -- I can`t imagine.
PINSKY: And Sam, you know, it kind of raise up a great point. And we`re not even talking about that. We`re talking about the dying of overheating
which seems almost unthinkable. But how could just leaving kids alone in the car.
SCHACHER: Yes, absolutely, Dr. Drew. They could choke, they could burn themselves on, you know, on the console. There`s a lighter right there.
They could get kidnapped, there`s child sex trafficking, why even take that chance. But, you know, what I just broke -- going back to Caroline just
brought up animals. I just broke a dog out of a car the other day. What is wrong with people, you leave your dog in the car, you leave your child
in the car with this hot temperatures, they will die.
So stop being so stupid people and be better parents.
PINSKY: Caroline.
STANBURY: Well, these children, they don`t even have a voice.
PINSKY: Right.
STANBURY: It`s not like they can, you know, lift themselves out and say, "I`m to hot." You know, knock on the -- they don`t know. They have no
voice of their own so they`re relying on strangers to comeback. They don`t know that they are overheating, they don`t know that hot, and they don`t,
you know, they slip (ph) into a sleep. And it`s just an awful way to go.
PINSKY: Jennifer, I see you smiling. Stuff happening more or we`re just more aware of it talking about it more?
KEITT: I think it`s exactly what you said before you went to break, Dr. Drew. We have our priorities completely out of control. I have four kids
within a seven-year time radius to go to the grocery store, it took immediate plan. I had to wait till my -- even my husband got home, I had
to find a babysitter. I had to do everything on the front end to make sure that nothing like that happen on the back end. But I had breathing room in
my life to be able to do it.
You hit on the nail on the head when you said parents are not thinking this whole thing through. We`re not prioritizing. You cannot run out in
Georgia, in "Hotlanta" and leave your child in the car.
PINSKY: And Jennifer, I -- certainly, I do reinforce that because it`s not just about having the children as your priority. It`s having your
priorities right. Lining up your entire life in a healthy way, right, wouldn`t you say?
KEITT: Yes.
PINSKY: Now, that`s just to remind us up.
KEITT: Absolutely.
PINSKY: But Anahita, these parents were arrested. They were clearly not intentionally trying to harm their children, should we be putting people
like this in jail?
SEDAGHATFAR: I think so. I think in these cases there`s no deceit, this is criminal negligent. It`s very different than the Hot -- the case we
talked about earlier with.
PINSKY: Anahita, I`m going to interrupt you. So we should hurt these kids even more by ripping their parents away, you know, bringing -- tearing
their families apart. I got to say I`m conflicted about this.
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, it is. It`s difficult, but Dr. Drew, this isn`t something that someone needs to take parenting classes for. They need to
be punished to understand. When your intentionally leaving a child in a hot car, I don`t care if it`s for one minute, I don`t care if it`s just a
run to the store, I don`t care if you have the AC on, that is criminal negligence. You definitely might need some parenting classes but I think
the punishment needs to be put in place as well.
I`m not saying they should be locked up forever, but there just needs to be a punishment.
PINSKY: Not forever, Anahita, OK.
SEDAGHATFAR: Not forever ever.
PINSKY: And you guys are great. Caroline, you get one thing wrong though, they do have a voice. It`s Anahita Sedaghatfar, she is their voice, of the
children today.
SEDAGHATFAR: I`m going to get some good tweets now, Dr. Drew. Not all that (inaudible), please.
PINSKY: Good tweets for a change. Thank you, excellent.
Next up, Jada, you know her from last night. She is speaking out, she says she was raped while passed out, learned about it through pictures on social
media and the shame and mob behavior that ensued.
And later, we`ll reveal for the first time details about Sandra Bullock`s stalked. He is a, well, I believe a dangerous man who believes he`s
married to Sandra Bullock. Back after this.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: A teen goes public with her private nightmare.
JADA: I had no control to say no. I didn`t tell anyone to take my clothes off and do what they did to me.
PINSKY: Jada says she was drugged and raped at a party.
JADA: I passed out and that`s all I remember.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had no idea she had been assaulted until this come out on Twitter.
PINSKY: No pills was involved, just a bottle of Ciroc.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jada said she was raped that night. We blurred the images, but kids have been sharing them over their cellphones.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the whole twist, teens have been posting photos of themselves mimicking her passed out.
PINSKY: The mob descends on her and that`s the second rape.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Yes, exactly, exactly. I can`t believe these kids. What if it was their daughter of their sister or their mother?
JADA: Some point of hiding. Because the picture -- well, everybody already seen my face and my body, but that`s not what I am and who I am.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Anahita, Segun, and Yasmin. Tonight, the Houston Police Department confirms they are investigating a second reported case of
alleged rape, this one involving a 15-year-old at the same house party. Now, 16-year-old, Jada, was a guest on CNN Tonight. And Don Lemon asked
her about what she remembered about that night. Take a look.
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JADA: We went to a party of a friend of a friend and they were drinking at first, and I was like, "That`s too strong." And so, one of the boys went
downstairs and added something to the drinking, brought it back upstairs, and then that`s when we, my friends, started drinking. And then after
that, I passed out, and that`s all I remember.
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PINSKY: Segun, I`ve not heard from you of the story, but I don`t see how anyone can defend the behavior of the young males.
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Dr. Drew, I can`t defend the behavior of the young males if indeed this is true. But what I`m so afraid
of is that we`re going to have a Duke lacrosse situation, where before all the facts come out, we rush to judgment. Now .
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wow, Segun.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got to be kidding me.
ODUOLOWU: Listen. Hear me out, hear me out. Listen, if what they did -- if they did what she is accusing them of and they are guilty, they should
be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But without all of the evidence in, we are starting to ruin lives and take sides. And we`re not
very sure just exactly what`s going on.
PINSKY: This reminds me, Sam, more of that incident in Ohio where that girl was really so sick and no one came to her aide and made fun of her
instead.
SCHACHER: Exactly, and perpetuating that rape culture, Dr. Drew. And the case that you mentioned, Segun -- I`m very familiar with two. The accused
there if I recall was a 27-year-old escort stripper with a very (inaudible).
PINSKY: Lacrosse, the Duke lacrosse there.
SCHACHER: Yes. So, you can`t .
ODUOLOWU: She was an exotic dancer.
SCHACHER: No, she was an escort too. I covered that whole case, Segun, so you are actually inaccurate. And I don`t think that you can compare that
to a 15-year-old, underage minor who is innocent with no .
ODUOLOWU: Wait a second, Sam. Innocent, she decided to drink underage. When she was on Don Lemon, she said .
SCHACHER: Oh, come on.
ODUOLOWU: Wait a second. Hold on a second. There is -- I`m not -- you guys, as the only guy on the panel, you guys can come at me and say that
I`m being insensitive. All I`m asking for is before you start ruining lives, let`s have all of the facts. She was underage drinking, that`s the
truth. She said she went to a friend of friend`s house but never mentioned the friend`s name.
PINSKY: All right. You guys, first of all, two things. Strangely, Anahita was quietly nodding her head here, Segun. She would not dare speak
up but she agrees with you. Becoming intoxicated is not invitation to rape.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
ODUOLOWU: I`m not saying that. I never said that.
PINSKY: But let me go on to the next piece I want to show you. And, Yasmin, I`ll have you comment on this. Don Lemon also asked Jada about how
she learned about the photos and why she decided to come forward. Take a look.
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JADA: Someone sent me screen hots to my phone.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Yes?
JADA: And then that`s when I told my mom. Because the picture that was posted and how I looked is not how I am. So, I just wanted to show how I
really am.
LEMON: And that`s not you?
JADA: Yes, that`s not me.
LEMON: That`s not representative of you.
JADA: No, at all. I just think everyone should speak out because it`s not right at all. And I know many people will just sit there and don`t do
anything.
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PINSKY: Yasmin?
YASMIN VOSSOUGHIAN, HLN CORRESPONDENT: First of all, to Segun`s point, there is zero comparison to the Duke lacrosse case.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
VOSSOUGHIAN: I can`t even believe that you brought that up.
ODUOLOWU: Why, because she was an .
VOSSOUGHIAN: This is -- no. Hold on. Segun, hold on a second. Hold on second. You had your turn, it`s up. This is a 16-year-old girl. We
should be commending her that in this day and age of social media and being a teenager, she has sort of the power and the strength to come out and talk
about something that`s so horribly happened.
Secondly, that thing was twitted -- I think it was. Jada posted it was twitted over 3,000 times. That is hardcore bullying. Who are the parents
in this situation? Who are the kids in this situation that are actually bullying this girl online when something so horrible has happened? I
actually don`t even know who to be angrier about in this situation. But, Segun, I mean, come on. You cannot compare this.
ODUOLOWU: What if she`s lying? OK. What if she made it up? We just -- what if. I`m not saying she did. I want justice for this girl as much as
anybody if she`s been wronged. But if she made it up, what would we say then? That`s all I`m saying.
PINSKY: OK.
ODUOLOWU: I want justice if she`s been wronged.
PINSKY: OK. And, Segun, let me go to Anahita who can sort of perhaps help us with these issues. Number one, there was quite a bit of time before she
reported this if I understand the case right. I mean (inaudible) when people don`t -- when women don`t report rapes right away, it`s hard to
click the necessary evidence. So, she may have trouble proving this, right?
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY, TV LEGAL ANALYST: Right. Yes, I`m just hearing about the story for the first time right now, Dr. Drew. And
obviously, that is going to be a problem because they need to do rape quick tips. There needs to be an investigation. But I have to say I don`t think
we should be attacking Segun because he is saying what I say all the time. And that is .
PINSKY: I know. It`s stunning to me. Do you agree with that?
SEDAGHATFAR: It`s stunning but why can`t you .
PINSKY: But here -- but listen, let me put it -- I`m going to put a tweet up that -- you noticed, I called it a tweet, Anahita. My concern is --
look what it says, "I agree with Segun to a point. What percentage of sexual assaults occur because girls drink?" And that thinking disturbs me.
SEDAGHATFAR: Right.
PINSKY: Because people are not aware, most states, if a female drinks -- and then I think California, I think it`s equivalent to about two glasses
of wine, she can`t render consent. And so, all sexual contacts is potentially a rape. It`s not an invitation to anything.
SCHACHER: Well, not only that, Dr. Drew. This guy, this teenage boy, he never denied the fact that they had sex. And he`s also distributing these
photos of a minor.
SEDAGHATFAR: Exactly.
SCHACHER: OK. So, that also reminds me, Anahita, the charge against distributing child pornography. He could be charged for that too.
PINSKY: Is that true, Anahita?
SEDAGHATFAR: I`m sorry. What exactly was .
PINSKY: She was questioning -- Yasmin, I`ll let you respond. But she was questioning whether that -- this could be even, you know, distribution of
child pornography given how young this girl is.
SEDAGHATFAR: Right. It possibly could be. I`m sure they`re looking into these guys. They feel that if they can`t charge them with the rape,
they`re going to try to get them on all other possible charges.
PINSKY: Yasmin, last thought?
VOSSOUGHIAN: I also just think that besides the rape, there should -- we should also just sort of be angry about the fact that this picture was
being distributed in the first place.
PINSKY: Yes.
VOSSOUGHIAN: She`s naked and she`s in that position. That, in and out of itself, is a crime.
PINSKY: That .
SCHACHER: Thank you.
PINSKY: She was raped twice, as far as I`m concerned. But the second rape is being -- is perpetrated by a mob.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PINSKY: Next, the Behavior Bureau has been listening into Jada`s comments. They will weight in on what she -- what we have said here tonight. And
later, is Sandra Bullock in danger? I have the letter her stalker wrote to her, claims to be her husband. We`ll reveal its contents and more after
this.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam and the Behavior Bureau, Wendy, Emily, Jennifer. 16-year-old Jada says she was raped and learned about it only after photos
of her, nude and unconscious, were posted on social media. We`ve heard some from Jada before the break. You guys, I want to talk about something
else here too. And I just -- I can`t imagine it`s not on a lot of people`s minds. And, Emily, I`ll start with you. Where were these kids` parents in
this? I mean these are underage kids that can`t be held accountable for a lot of this. But their parents certainly could be.
EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Absolutely. I 100 percent agree with you. And what I find the most concerning is that these parents didn`t do
anything about pictures that their children were sending from their phones. Just because you give this kid a cellphone, doesn`t mean that you have
permission to do whatever you want on it. And .
WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, as doctor of a 16-year-old .
PINSKY: Hey, Wendy. I`m seeing interesting reactions from both you and Jennifer. But I`ll let you go first, Wendy. Go ahead.
WALSH: OK. I am the mother of a 16-year-old daughter. And at this age, kids want a little bit of autonomy. In fact, she had her first
unsupervised party recently. Now, I put notes on all the neighbors` doors saying, "Text me if you hear anything weird or any noise. I`ll be around
the block having dinner." But I allowed her to have some autonomy.
Also, if you could see the millions of texts and things they`re posting on Instagram and Snapshot in the round of a day, there`s no way that you could
get your work done. If you even try it, you could get nothing done. You never shower, you never eat if you really keep tracking what teenagers were
sending.
PINSKY: Jennifer?
JENNIFER KEITT, RADIO HOST AND LIFE COACH: So, Dr. Drew, I applaud this young lady for being brave, for being courageous, for putting it out there,
for going to her bullies. But I would`ve preferred her to have been empowered before she went to that party. I am not so old that I do not
know what goes down at house parties. I want to see her friends. I want to see her mom, her dad. I want to see people informing their children
about what is the reality of what happens in these parties.
When you have alcohol, when you have drugs, when you have loud music and hot guys and girls, you are making a recipe for disaster. We have got to
empower our children upfront.
PINSKY: But, Jennifer, but back to Emily`s point, as Emily too commented on this too, is that if there were parent there during all this, I as dad
would`ve had their butts hold off by the sheriffs for allowing this to go on, the parents. That included me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely, that`s what I`m saying.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But what if the parents were partying too? What if the parents were partying too?
PINSKY: But, you know, I don`t know if they were there or not. That`s all what we`re saying. But, Sam, what do you think?
SCHACHER: Yes. Now, unfortunately, Jennifer, I hear you 100 percent. But unfortunately, kids are going to go to parties and they are going to drink
and they`re going to put themselves in these situations. But it doesn`t make it even anymore understandable how something like this could happen.
This girl was virtually not only alleged raped, but then, as we`ve been talking about, Dr. Drew, then again on social media.
And I disagree with you, Wendy. I get that it must take all day long to monitor your kid`s social media, but there has to be a way to at least look
on their Twitter feed, at least look on their Facebook, because in this (inaudible).
PINSKY: You do the best you can.
SCHACHER: I`ve been sitting here right now, I have an 11-year-old holding an iPhone, sending stuff on Instagram. I can`t see what she`s doing at
this second.
WALSH: Hold on. That`s not what I`m saying.
SCHACHER: Let me finish. Of course, Wendy, and let me finish. Believe me, I think that you`re a fantastic mother. I`m not a mother. I don`t
think I have the right to say this. But my point is, at the end of the day, if parents would`ve checked their children`s Twitter feed and their
Facebook feed, those .
PINSKY: Well, let`s -- Sam, how about this? It`s a reminder. It`s a reminder that we need to be diligent about this.
WALSH: Yes. But there`s something else.
PINSKY: What, what something else?
WALSH: Dr. Drew, there`s something wrong with our culture. When the moral compass is so off with these young teenage boys, listen, we all went to
teenage parties when we were young. We all drank underage. But in a million years, the boys wouldn`t think of ripping our clothes off and
raping us or putting drugs in our drink.
PINSKY: Now, listen, there`s two disturbing elements.
KEITT: There is a rape culture here that`s dangerous.
PINSKY: Jennifer, you`re right. There`s two disturbing things here which is when a child is unconscious, that`s a potentially a medical emergency.
That`s something that needs our assistance, not to be sexually abused, number one. And then number two, when that`s photographed, we don`t act
out as a mob on that. We wonder what has gone wrong and try to create assistance and education around this issue.
KEITT: But, Dr. Drew, I agree with you. I agree with you. But we have to tell our kids the truth. We are in a rape culture. We are in a violent
culture. You cannot put yourself out there and have it for everybody to see, Dr. Drew, and not expect to be taken. I`m sorry.
PINSKY: You know what, you`re -- the story makes your point. And so, we will leave it at that. I want to make note that Jada was supposed to be
here with us tonight, but because of severe weather on the East coast and travel issues, she was unable to make it. And we hope to have her back
soon enough here.
All right, next up. Sandra Bullock`s stalker and what he`s obsession with the actress drove him to do, after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sandra Bullock had a rude awakening. According to the (inaudible) with the police department, an intruder broke into her
home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suspect, 39-year-old Joshua Corbett of Glendale, actually gained entry into Bullock`s home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s asleep and this guy is going around her home for over an hour?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Instead of freaking out and getting hysterical, she retreated back to her room, locked the door, called 911, I mean that is
brilliant.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Back with Sam. We`re talking about the night Sandra Bullock came face to face with an intruder in her home. Police think he was there for
at least an hour while she showered and went to bed.
Back, I`ve got Anahita. Joining us now, Mike `The Situation` Sorrentino, star of, "The Sorrentinos," premiering tonight at 10 p.m. on TVGN. And of
course, Sirius XM radio host, Jason Ellis, author of, "The Awesome Guide to Life." Any of you guys had a stalker, anybody? Show your hands.
It doesn`t really count if you`re as ugly as I am, but sure. But I want to hear The Situation. What happened to you?
MIKE `THE SITUATION` SORRENTINO, ACTOR: I`ve had a couple stalkers. But the funniest one probably was when I was doing Dancing with the Stars. The
security walked me into the SUV and I would have to say and I was flattered. It was like a grandmother. She must`ve been like 60 or 70.
And she just rolled out underneath the car like McGyver and she was like, "Hey," you know, "Picture time." And I was like, you now, I got my stance
and everything but then that`s grandmas right there so I was like, "Oh, OK."
PINSKY: Yes. And
JASON ELLIS, RADIO HOST, AUTHOR: Yes. And I`ve had them too, and it`s a different story.
PINSKY: Jason, yours -- what was yours like?
ELLIS: Well, mine wasn`t even a girl. It was like a guy that keeps showing. He sent photos on the internet of what the inside of my house
look like in. And then, you know, all of time -- but I`m bigger than him. I can kill him anyway. It`s not -- it doesn`t count. It`s only
intimidating if you`re really hot and someone`s bigger than you and they`re men, they`re in your house. I mean everything else changes. We`re not
really famous. I`m sorry.
We didn`t -- sure, you`re real. Everyone else in this box is .
SEDAGHATFAR: Speak for yourself.
ELLIS: You`re not -- wait, good luck on your future career. But not yet, you`re not saving your body. None of this does.
SCHACHER: This guy had machine guns, fake machine guns.
PINSKY: Yes, that`s right. This guy was really not right. He had multiple automatic weapons. He had letters. I`ve got the search warrant
and the affidavit here. He`s been using -- he had a wrap sheet too from other substance use. But in this letter, he had sort of, you know, cut-out
magazine, pictures of her. You can talk about her being his -- he was the husband and he was also the father of her child. I mean really weird,
distorted, dilutional stuff.
But let`s say he was an addict also. I`m not sure that has something to do with this here. Gentlemen, you`ve had addiction issues. Can you imagine
ever doing something like this or are we saying this is something far, far different than addiction?
ELLIS: Well, I`ve got your phone number. Why would I need to like come to your -- I can figure out how to get to your house whenever I want, Drew.
So, I`m pretty much cool.
PINSKY: All right. Mike?
SORRENTINO: No, no way, no way. I know for a fact that I`ve been, you know, raised, you know, that if someone comes in your home, you have the
right to protect yourself. So, I would never, ever, you know, enter someone`s home because I know what to expect.
PINSKY: Anahita, this guy to me seems dangerous and I don`t see any treatment for him. Are they likely to put him away for a long time?
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, yes. I mean I think he has a criminal record and I think I kind of agree with what you said earlier. I think that a lot of
this has to do with alcohol and substance abuse.
PINSKY: I don`t know. No, I`m saying it doesn`t. I`m saying that my stalker was a masked guy and he had very bizarre dilutions about me that I
even planted something as (inaudible) it was causing bodily activities, very bizarre. He needed small claims, a court date against me, and I .
ELLIS: I can relate to that. I feel like you put something in my mind and make me love you dude, because it`s out of control. I got to stop it.
PINSKY: You guys .
SEDAGHATFAR: It`s scary though (inaudible).
PINSKY: But some people are trainable and some people are not. Something we always make it a point about in this show. All right, next stop. Is
there any guarantee, as I`m saying, this guy will not continue to stalk Sandra Bullock if he gets out. We`ll get into that after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Sandy, you could have had me today, however, you choose other people over me. You are very special to me and without you in
my life there is only misery. I`ve waited and waited and you never come, perhaps this is all supposed to happen some other way. I saw you come home
after the AFI gala and only wished I was at the entrance for your heart when you came home."
"There are two large emperous (sic) gates that no one can open but you. I hope one day you open them to me. Until then, I will forever be thinking
of you and Louie my son as you are my wife by law, the law of God and you belong to me and me to you. I forgive you for anything you may have done
and only want the chance to love you."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHACHER: Wow.
PINSKY: That was a reenactment of the handwritten letter police found with Sandra Bullock`s alleged stalker. I`m back with Sam, Anahita, Mike `The
Situation` and Jason Ellis. Police tell us the stalker broke into her home and stayed there for an hour while she showered and went to bed. Mike, the
look on your face was stunning. You were just in disbelief.
SORRENTINO: I mean because -- I mean do you want the politically correct answer?
PINSKY: No.
SCHACHER: No. Please no. The real stuff.
SEDAGHATFAR: Speak the truth.
SORRENTINO: You want the real stuff. Because if someone entered my home or one of my love one`s home, I mean I am going to recover right now and --
God, I do have anguish, you saw it. I`d like him to come see me first.
PINSKY: Sam?
SCHACHER: I have a followup question really quick, if you don`t mind.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: Because a lot of -- you had a lot of women that would show up to the Jersey Shore House because everyone knew where it was. How are you
able to decipher between a wild fan and one that possibly .
PINSKY: Could be dangerous?
SCHACHER: Yes, dangerous?
SORRENTINO: You take it for a face value at that time. You know, you`re on a show that`s sort of a party show and, you know, you don`t know, you
know, these girls` intentions when they come up to you. So, you know, you really just take it moment by moment, minute by minute, and you really try
to judge .
PINSKY: (Inaudible) Jason is going to take this, Mike, but I saw him smirk. Go ahead, Jason.
ELLIS: I mean can you just leave me out of this one a little bit.
PINSKY: All right. Let me just describe different kinds of stalkers for a second. There`s simple obsessional which is somebody who had a previous
relationship with some then they get obsessed with them and things don`t work out. Erotomania is a person of higher status and they fall in love
with them. That`s what is going on here with Jason -- with this Sandra Bullock stalker. And then love obsessional, this is often a stalker who
wants to make their presence known to everybody but can`t.
This is erotomania. These people can be dilutional, they can be dangerous. This is psychotic stalking and there is no telling where it could go.
Anahita, I think there`s got to be very, very serious action taken here.
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes, I agree with you, Dr. Drew. And the fact that he had all of these weapons in his home, it`s really scary to think. But
thankfully, he didn`t intend on harming her.
PINSKY: But this all work out, it`s when they get crazy. That`s where things get violent.
SEDAGHATFAR: Right, right. But you do hear stories where they`re like, "Oh, I`m going to kill you. If I can`t have you, no one can."
PINSKY: Jason, last thought there. I got to go.
ELLIS: Why don`t she get her ex-husband, Jesse James? He`s not doing anything. Just get him to beat that dude out. Problem solved.
PINSKY: Problem solved. And we`ll have to see you tomorrow. Watch anytime with your DVRs. Forensic Files begins right now.
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