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Do High-End Hooker Kill Exec?; Randy Maidens, The Killer Next Door
Aired July 17, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, sugar daddy Web sites, are they behind the death of this man? The millionaire from Seeking
Arrangement is back to talk money, high class hookers and murder.
BRANDON WADE, FOUNDER, MISSTRAVEL.COM: Life in general is a very dangerous thing. But to mention that the Web site would be a dangerous place for
people to meet, that`s just taking it way out of bounds.
PINSKY: Plus, the killer next door. They lived in a safe, secure and gated community. Did a husband shoot and kill his wife in their picture
perfect home? The accused murderer`s neighbor is here.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening.
My co-host is Samantha Schacher.
And coming up, the many layers of a case involving an alleged call girl and her rich client who is now dead of a heroin overdose allegedly, and we`ll
meet those who knew her.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Yes, and also, Dr. Drew, man who created the Web site is here. I know you have some strong feelings. Looking forward
to see what you have to say to him.
PINSKY: I -- you`re going to be stunned at what I said two years ago. We`re going to re-air that and see how I accurate I might have been.
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: OK. First, we`ve got some new details on this very unpleasant case. Watch this.
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ALIX TICHELMAN, ALLEGED CALL GIRL: Going to take a little bit on a fluffy brush.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Alix Tichelman on YouTube cheerfully giving makeup tips.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This 26-year-old woman, he met on a sugar daddy dating site allegedly shot him up with heroin.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Or the one on Twitter, flaunting her body in numerous provocative images.
PINSKY: This is opiate addiction, it kills people.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The so-called sugar baby. Police say she picked up older men on the Web site seekingarrangement.com.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She knows how to wrap men around her little finger.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Injected him with the drug and watched him suffer and die instead of calling for help.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They know that Alix Tichelman stepped over the body several times.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe this is a girl who doesn`t like men, wants to seek revenge on men.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One woman linked to two heroin overdoses in two states within two months.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tichelman`s then-boyfriend Dean Riopelle also died of a heroin overdose.
TICHELMAN: I think my boyfriend overdosed or something --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I heard he died of a heroin overdose, I was immediately no freaking way.
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PINSKY: Joining us, Anahita Sedaghatfar, attorney, Karamo Brown, host of #OWNShow on Oprah.com, Heather McDonald, comedian, writer for "Chelsea
Lately", she is headlining at the Venetian in Las Vegas, tomorrow, Friday and Saturday night.
Congratulations, Heather. Way to go.
HEATHER MCDONALD, COMEDIAN: Thank you.
PINSKY: OK. Here`s what a surveillance camera appears to be showing, that she injects him with heroin, he collapses, she finishes her wine, closes
the blinds on the ship they`re on or the boat, wipes the wine glass and steps over the body more than once and just kind of heads out.
So, Anahita, all of this on video.
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: Right. Dr. Drew, welcome to the real world. OK. If you use drugs --
PINSKY: Slow down, slow down. I`ve never seen a heroin addict before. So, thank you, Anahita, for welcoming me the world of addiction.
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I`m welcoming your viewer to the world of addiction, Dr. Drew. Not you. But the fact is if you use heroin, you`re likely going
to die. OK?
PINSKY: Yes, yes, that`s true.
SEDAGHATFAR: There`s no -- yes, the police aren`t saying she forcibly injected him. He hired this prostitute to inject her with heroin, she did
it, he passed out.
She didn`t know that he was dead. There`s in evidence of that. She left. She drank her wine and left.
And it is unfortunate that this man died. But, Dr. Drew, come on. He`s a 51-year-old presumably educated executive. He should know if you`re
shooting up drugs, you may die.
PINSKY: Heather, you side with the prostitute as well, the alleged prostitute.
MCDONALD: Well, I don`t necessarily side with her, but I think that I think it`s a little fishy because I didn`t know that she wiped down her
wine glass. I mean, it`s nice to have good table manners but that is a little suspect there and also kind of rude. You shot him up and then you
had to get out of there right away.
Well, he probably paid you by the hour. Could you have stayed? I don`t think she`s a very good prostitute.
PINSKY: Well, that`s the point. No, she`s a perfect prostitute. She`s go on to the next job. She figures, mission accomplished. He`s high, got
what he wanted, get out of here, move on. She probably thought he nodded off and asleep.
Karamo, do you agree with me?
KARAMO BROWN, #OWNSHOW: I do agree with you. First of all, my problem is, why are we vilifying this woman just because she`s a prostitute?
PINSKY: Wow.
BROWN: That`s my biggest issue.
I`m tired of reading he`s the victim. He`s a grown man, who`s very educated, very wealthy. And I`m tired of him being called the "victim".
PINSKY: Wow.
BROWN: He is not a victim. She is not the villain in this. They were both drug addicts. She has erratic behavior.
That`s what drug addicts do. They wipe off wine glasses and they step over dead bodies. She`s high and out of her mind. Let`s get it together.
PINSKY: Now, eight months before the first boyfriend died, she posted this on Facebook. I`m going to show a reenactment. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Life is great. I`m seriously blessed as a mother (EXPLETIVE DELETED). A great boyfriend, nice house, monkeys, loving
family. Doesn`t get any better than that, I don`t think.
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PINSKY: Sam, want to react with that?
SCHACHER: I`m glad she`s blessed as a motherf-er.
PINSKY: With monkeys.
SCHACHER: And then she has monkeys? I mean, wow.
But, Dr. Drew, listen, last night I would have agreed with your panel tonight. But tonight, I`m singing to a little bit of a different tune.
Last night, I thought, OK how was she supposed to know if she just passed out or he actually was suffering from an overdose? But now, we learned
inside the surveillance footage, you actually see that he`s having complications and that he`s showing signs of distress.
PINSKY: Well, let me, Sam, I`m going to interrupt you and just say, listen, it`s really hard. I`ll be honest. Listen, I`m not siding with
anybody here. But it is hard to tell when somebody is completely high on heroin, they stop breathing quietly. It`s not like they seized. They sort
of slowly slip into less and less and slower respirations and then they turn dusky and blue and get really nasty looking.
SCHACHER: And that`s why I gave her the benefit of the doubt last night. But according to the police, they said that it shows in the surveillance
that he has signs of distress.
SEDAGHATFAR: But she was high too you guys.
SCHACHER: Hold on -- I agree with you. Let me just finish my statement. But my point is if she saw he had signs of distress, why not call the
police whether she had an intentional overdose it on him or not. It`s really callous of somebody to leave someone in that condition.
SEDAGHATFAR: But she may not have been in the right state of mind.
SCHACHER: True.
SEDAGHATFAR: The video shows she was shooting.
PINSKY: Right, that`s Karamo`s point.
Heather, what do you say?
MCDONALD: I was going to say, he didn`t hire Conrad Murray, OK? Dr. Conrad Murray. He hired a hooker off the Internet.
So, maybe she`s got as good of an expert at shooting up her johns with heroin as we thought and she miscalculated and she made a mistake. I
thought hit was rude she didn`t stay the whole time but I don`t think he`s a murderer.
PINSKY: Karamo?
BROWN: Come on, she`s had her fun, she had sex with this man, she got high with him.
MCDONALD: That`s not fun.
SCHACHER: I don`t know if it was fun.
PINSKY: Ladies, how dare you.
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BROWN: But my issue is --
PINSKY: Now the guy is a victim.
BROWN: Now, come on, he`s not a victim at all. My issue is like, let`s move on from this. This should be more of a teachable moment to forget
about the fact that this woman was high.
We have addicts here. Great. Let`s teach people how to deal with addicts who are in their lives. Not about the fact that this woman got high.
PINSKY: I agree with you.
SEDAGHATFAR: Wait --
PINSKY: I agree with him. I think that`s right --
MCDONALD: I definitely think the heroin was a major secret, because obviously nobody else knew he was a heroin addict. He could have this
secret thing, or maybe it was a more recent drug that he picked up.
BROWN: Or maybe people were afraid to say it because he`s a COO, he`s powerful. People are going to say that, oh my gosh, this man is addicted
to drugs. So they let the behavior happen.
PINSKY: That is -- I agree with you.
Listen, heroin addicts kill, heroin addicts die, they do crazy stuff, they act out sexually, they do horrible things, they act in horrible ways, they
may not be horrible people. But in their disease, they do horrible things. That`s the nature of addiction.
Also a reminder that people ought to have the injectable that reverses -- it`s becoming available for first responders. It can take an overdose like
this and save a person`s life in seconds. Another teachable moment.
What`s that, Heather? Last word.
MCDONALD: Does a heroin addict carry it around like an EpiPen? I mean, that seems like you`re planning it`s like when you take those pre-party,
don`t kid hangover pills. Who wants to do that? You want to hope that you don`t overdose.
PINSKY: Does that stop you from drinking too much, Heather?
MCDONALD: But I don`t take the pills anticipating drinking too much, or heroin overdose. But I guess -- this hooker should probably carry one of
those pens around, right?
PINSKY: Next up, conniving and two-faced, that`s how my next guest describes Alix Tichelman.
And later, the killer next door. A husband is accused of murdering his wife, their neighbor here with us.
Back after this.
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ALIX TICHELMAN FACEBOOK POST: I don`t have to forgive. But that doesn`t mean I can`t let it go. Knowing that my life is better than theirs, I have
an amazing boyfriend who takes care of me and a sound and clear conscience when I go to sleep at night. Priceless.
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PINSKY: That, of course, is a reenactment of Alix Tichelman`s Facebook, one of her posts.
I`m back with Sam. We`re joined by the behavior bureau. Spirit joins us, host of the new show, "The Daily Helpline," Colleen Long, clinical
psychologist, Danine Manette, criminal investigator, author of "Ultimate Betrayal".
We looked into Alix Tichelman`s social profile, what you saw was a reenactment of two years ago. She was writing about her boyfriend at the
time, a man named Dean who also mysteriously died of a drug overdose.
Joining us on the phone, I`ve got Khristina Brucker. She was a live-in nanny for Dean`s children during the time he dated Alix.
Khristina, you got a sense of who this woman was and I understand you didn`t really like her.
KHRISTINA BRUCKER, FORMER FRIEND OF ALEX TICHELMAN (via telephone): Yes, you know, over time, she ended up rubbing me the wrong way.
PINSKY: What happened? Why?
BRUCKER: When I started she was a really nice girl but everyone kind of starts out nice. Over time, you know, she slipped back into drug abuse and
just kind of made her a nasty person.
PINSKY: Oh, I see. So, while she was dating him, she relapsed. Did she pull him back into using as well?
BRUCKER: He never actually used drugs.
PINSKY: He never used drugs but he died of a drug overdose.
BRUCKER: That`s history, but -- you know, this is also, here`s another man in California who`s died of a drug overdose and he doesn`t seem like a drug
user.
PINSKY: Sam, you had a question?
SCHACHER: Yes, Khristina, did she ever discuss with you or did you ever overhear her thoughts about men? Did he talk about resentment, or talk
about maybe relationships with other men in her past?
BRUCKER: No. And, you know, she didn`t really have a whole lot of relationships in her past. She didn`t really have any hatred of men at
all.
PINSKY: Christina, I understand you didn`t like this way she treated his daughter.
BRUCKER: No, not at all.
PINSKY: Tell me about that.
BRUCKER: She was pretty abrasive, aggressive, you know? But was also a recovery heroin addict, someone out of rehab, you know? I was kind of
standard for her to get angry and frustrated. But that`s not an excuse to yell at an 11-year-old. There was a lot of screaming and, you know, a lot
--
PINSKY: Any specific threats?
BRUCKER: She had, you know, on occasion, you know, there was an occasion where she sat down with me and said if she ever came between Dean and
herself, that she would kill her and that was pretty, you know --
PINSKY: Danine, what do you think about that one?
BRUCKER: It was terrible.
DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: I`m curious as to whether or not -- because I`ve head some of his friends saying that they consider to be to be
a prostitute but she considered herself to be a little more to him. I`m wondering if you had that observation. Was it known that she was pretty
much a prostitute in his eyes and she considered herself to be more of a girlfriend?
BRUCKER: No. The both the relationship was legitimate. You`re talking about a girl who -- I mean if she`s a prostitute, then she was the most
long term under paid prostitute I`ve ever seen in my life, because she lived in the house, been in a relationship with him for a long time. She
didn`t go out and see other men. She didn`t see anyone else. He didn`t see anyone else either.
You know, there was a promise ring. But he told me he had planned to pop the question, you know. In one of the conversations with her, she was
pretty consensual in wanting to marry him as well.
PINSKY: Khristina, thanks for joining us. I want to play right now part of the 911 call when Dean had overdosed and Alix called the 911 operator.
Take a listen.
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OPERATOR: Tell me exactly what happened.
TICHELMAN: I don`t know. I think my boyfriend overdosed or something like he`s -- he won`t respond. And he`s just lying on the ground. I don`t
know.
OPERATOR: OK. And are you with the patient no now?
(RINGING)
TICHELMAN: Hello?
OPERATOR: Ma`am, I have some questions for you. Are you with the patient now?
TICHELMAN: Yes, I`m with him right now.
OPERATOR: How old is he?
TICHELMAN: He`s 53.
OPERATOR: OK. And is he awake?
TICHELMAN: His eyes are open but no he`s not awake.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
PINSKY: Wow. It`s very, very sad.
Spirit, I see you shaking your head. Your reaction?
SPIRIT, LIFE COACH: You know, it`s two-fold. I`m still going back to when the caller first started to talk about the fact that, she said, neither of
them were drug addicts because they didn`t look like a drug addict, they didn`t look like a drug addict. They were doing drugs.
So, we have to get better at how we understand what addiction looks like. Until we deal with that, then we`re also going to have people who are
suffering.
PINSKY: You`re right. Well, here`s what opiate addiction looks like. I don`t know if you agree with me, Colleen. But an opiate addiction can be
very covert. It can look like a Google executive and nothing more.
COLLEEN LONG, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Thank you.
Absolutely. I definitely think it can play out in very different faces. It doesn`t always look like the poster for opiate addiction.
PINSKY: Any reaction to this woman and whether or not you think that there`s some sinister intent behind these deaths?
LONG: Absolutely. I think that this woman is likely diagnosable with borderline personality disorder, just looking at her unstable
relationships, the reports of self mutilation early on.
PINSKY: Drug use.
LONG: Drug use, this hot and cold behavior.
PINSKY: And, Colleen one of the panelists last night said, oh, she even looks like a borderline. You want to talk about what that is, when people
say something like that?
LONG: Sure. So, in a lot of -- there`s been a lot of statistic studies that link body modifications, tattoos and piercings with earlier childhood
sexual abuse, as well as borderline personality disorder. And so, I think that`s what you mean when you say they look like they might have borderline
personality.
SPIRIT: I can jump in here, too.
PINSKY: Spirit, go ahead.
SPIRIT: She may be histrionic as well. Let`s get past that because the bottom line is at least she is selfish. She injected this man with heroin.
I don`t care if she was high, out of her mind. She wasn`t so high that she didn`t clean up after herself. She knew to get everything in order before
she left out of that place.
So, at the least, she was selfish in her action. She may not have intended to murder him but that`s exactly what happened.
PINSKY: Well, we`re saying the same time -- borderline, narcissists, they are selfish and preoccupied. Those are the same words, they just different
-- you know, different thing.
SPIRIT: And at the end of the day, does that matter? Does that change the fact? She didn`t intend to, but intention doesn`t matter, reality does.
PINSKY: Danine, last word. Danine, I know you put a little dynamite here. Go ahead.
MANETTE: I don`t think she set out to murder him but I don`t think that she cared that he was dead on the ground. I think it with us obvious that
it was OK with her that he was dead on the ground. I don`t think she cared about that. She was ready to move on.
SCHACHER: Well, that`s manslaughter at least.
PINSKY: All right. Listen, I want to stand by. The sugar daddy Web sites I have concerns about, and a man behind some of them says no, they`re not
dangerous. H`s here to defend it.
And later, Alix`s tattoo, that was brought up here, we`re going to talk about what we can infer from them, show you the tattoos.
We`re back after this.
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WADE: I think we`re taking a much tougher stance on all of our websites to weed out the unwanted characters.
PINSKY: I introduced you to some of the women who were using the site and they were trauma survivors, they were sex addicts, they were impaired
WADE: The majority of the members who use our Web sites actually don`t have issues. They are women who have self confidence. I think that`s --
PINSKY: How long before somebody`s killed?
WADE: Well, you know, Dr. Drew, that`s an unfair question, because when you cross the road, people die as well. When you fall in love, some people
get really hurt and they kill themselves. So, life in general is a very dangerous thing.
PINSKY: Good job! Good job of weeding out the people that shouldn`t be using your site. You`re just there making a ton of dough. There`s dead
people because of that site.
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PINSK: Back with Sam, Anahita and Danine.
The man I was speaking to is Brandon Wade. He`s the CEO of Sugar Daddy Web site called seekingarrangement.com.
Perhaps I was engaged in journalistic excess. But I did warn him two years ago that vulnerable people using his site could wind up dead. Now, I`ve
got a call girl who was using the site to find clients, she`s facing manslaughter charges.
Brandon, of course, right with me here tonight via Skype.
Brandon, what has you instituted as this vetting process that you said you were going to institute.
WADE: Well, first of all, Dr. Drew, you calling her a hooker, you`re saying that she`s using it to find clients. I think she`s alleged to be
doing so. Until she`s proven guilty, we don`t know that`s true, because on the Web site, her profile is completely clean. When we look at her
activity on the Web site, she wasn`t soliciting.
And if she was doing so, she was taking that activity off our Web site, doing it off of the site.
PINSKY: That`s not exactly a ringing endorsement of how you can vet people who are sort of inclined to these activities.
But, Anahita, do you have a concern?
SEDAGHATFAR: Actually, I think it`s fine to just call it glorified prostitution. I don`t know why you don`t just admit that. I don`t have a
problem with it, Dr. Drew, because if she doesn`t have this Web site, someone else will develop something like this. In fact, there are plenty
of these Web sites.
I think it`s about individual responsibility. You can meet someone in a bar and go out with him and he could be a murderer or a rapist.
So, you know, more power to you. If people are that desperate and feel the only way they can get a girl is to flaunt their money and if girls are that
desperate that they won`t to be hookers and on the Web site, more power to them. But I don`t think the onus should be on him, the owner.
PINSKY: Let me point out again, she`s being accused in court, charged with prostitution.
My concern is, guys, and, Sam, I`ll let you comment about this, to me it`s not different -- now you guys can argue with me about this. But it`s not
different than a drug dealer providing drug to addicts. This is people providing an environment to trauma survivors to reenact their traumatic
history.
SCHACHER: Exactly that`s what I`m concerned about. A question I have for Brandon is that to me, any real confident mentally healthy young woman is
not going to want to exchange sex for money or go on dates for money. So, how are you --
PINSKY: And, by the way, confidence is -- self confidence is not a good parameter of detecting who is troublesome in the way they would use a site
like this. But go ahead if you could answer Sam`s --
SCHACHER: How are you screening the women to make sure they are mentally healthy and they are not past trauma survivors?
WADE: Well, first of all, it`s impossible to screen anyone for that. I`m not a psychologist. And certainly, a Web site cannot do the job of a
psychologist, number one.
Number two, I think there`s a misconception of what Seeking Arrangement or any of these sugar daddy Web sites is. It`s not a prostitution Web site.
It`s a Web site where women can find wealthy women who are going to spoil and pamper them.
What`s wrong with that? What is wrong with having a wealthy boyfriend who will buy you gifts, take you out, spoil you, pamper you? Every girl wants
to meet and marry a rich husband.
SCHACHER: No.
WADE: That`s just the nature of our society.
PINSKY: Anahita, you got to get in there. It`s not a prostitution ring. It`s for you.
SEDAGHATFAR: It`s for girls like me that want a rich husband, right, Dr. Drew? I agree with Brandon. I don`t think there`s anything wrong with
this Web site. I think it`s about individual responsibility.
PINSKY: All right, counselor. OK, let me hear from Danine.
MANETTE: You know, I was sitting down having a conversation with a drug dealer one time and I said how can you sell murder? He said I`m not
selling murder, they`re buying suicide.
And that enlightened me, because I`m like, you know what, I see this in the same respect as somebody -- it`s the assumption of the risk thing. And as
far as the prostitution goes, I think it`s interesting that two people can have sex in a room and exchange money, and it`s called prostitution and
it`s illegal. But then two people can have sex in a room in front of a camera and they called porn and it`s legal, exchanging money.
So, you know, the whole thing to me it`s kind of a little bit of a gray area.
PINSKY: Anahita?
SEDAGHATFAR: I have a question for Brandon.
You`re a businessman, you`re an entrepreneur like many of us. How much money have you made operating these Web sites?
WADE: Well, seeking arrangement has over 3 million members. Now, keep in mind, that`s almost the population of a country. And to expect that in a
country, there would be murders, no deaths, it`s just crazy.
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes, how much money have you made? How much money have you netted?
WADE: Yes, the Web sites generates $10 million a year in revenue. So, yes, it`s a very profitable business.
SEDAGHATFAR: That`s why he`s doing it, Dr. Drew. That`s why he`s doing it. No problem there.
MANETTE: If you build it, they will crawl to it.
WADE: But, again, if the Web site wasn`t successful --
PINSKY: Why don`t we open a brothel, Anahita? You have no problem with any of this. Let`s go ahead. I mean --
SEDAGHATFAR: It`s not that I have no problem. But we can`t blame him. He`s an entrepreneur. He`s trying to make money.
There are brothels in Vegas, Dr. Drew. And you know, the onus is on the person. If you want to be a whore, excuse me I don`t know if I can say
that, then go be a whore. If you want to be a man that wants to try to get a young hot girl with your money, then go ahead and do that. You don`t
blame him for being -- you know, making money
PINSKY: Danine, go ahead.
MANETTE: It`s like not selling candy to people who are diabetic. So, it`s like not selling cigarettes to people who could develop lung cancer. It`s
the assumption of risk. And at some point, people have to get out of this nanny society when you`re looking at things, and step up and take
responsibility for their own decisions and behaviors. These are consenting adults.
PINSKY: OK, everybody, your points are well taken. Give me the camera for a second, because I don`t know how I`m going to say this.
But if it`s not about the government, not about the marketplace, not about our laws, it has to be about our souls and our sense of what`s right and
what`s wrong. Because I will tell you that it was not a surprise to me that something like this happened from people engaging in a Web site that
has this sort of lack of -- whatever words you want to use, values or -- this seems sort of wrong on some level.
There`s a reason we have these sorts of ideas. Leading a simple life and a life that`s built on certain values that have been time honored help people
live a good life and a healthy life, long life. We`ve lost track of this.
So, it`s not going to be our nanny state, which I agree with Danine. It should be a nanny state. We`ve got to become personally responsible. We
have to understand that you can`t do hey whatever you want and there`s no consequence for that. There really are. There are consequences when you
step out and do complicated, dangerous, problematic things.
There`s a reason that the values have been in place for a long time. So, just think about that. Do whatever you want. That`s -- we all have to
make our own choices.
But if there`s not going to be something out there helping us make good choices, we`re going to have to really do a good job in media educating
people about this, in our families educating, in our churches, educating. And that`s fine. That`s really where it belongs. But somehow we`ve gone
off the rail and we need to pull back in.
Next up, Alix has some interesting tattoos. What, if anything, do they say about her? I`m not sure.
And later, did this man murder his wife? A neighbor who knows him is here with the answer.
Back after this.
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PINSKY: We could distill this down to just drug addict behavior. We really can.
ERICA AMERICA: absolutely.
PINSKY: This is opiate addiction. It kills people.
AMERICA: Is this high risk drug behavior, like you guys are all saying, or something far more sinister going on here?
UF: Maybe this is a girl who doesn`t like men, wants to seek revenge on men who maybe didn`t treat her well.
SCHACHER: I don`t buy it, Dr. Drew. I don`t think that this woman intentionally murdered her very lucrative client.
AMERICA: If she`s a sociopath, the money doesn`t matter. She`s like a serial kill basically.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Anahita, Karamo, and joining us Carolina Bermudez, TV and radio personality. It is the story you`ve been tweeting about most
tonight, an alleged call girl accused of killing a Google executive with a lethal dose of heroin. The lawyer for Alex Tichelman calls her, quote, "a
wounded bird." Listen to how he describes the deadly encounter.
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UM: This case is about two adults who are engaged in mutual consensual drug usage in the context of a sexual encounter initiated and encouraged by
Mr. Hayes.
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SCHACHER: Sam, you say you`ve had a change of heart. I`m disturbed by the conversation we`ve been having. I really am. That people who are sick and
in trouble and dying, we don`t go, oh my god, what can we do to stop them. We just go, hey, whatever they`re into, man, we got to step back and take
personal responsibility. People end up dead when you say stuff like that.
SCHACHER: I agree with you 100 percent, Dr. Drew. Going back to this woman. Listen, I do think she is not a serial killer. I don`t think that
she intentionally murdered this guy, nor her ex-boyfriend. I think what had happened is she`s just a callous person and when she saw that he nodded
off, she just wanted to get the hell out of there.
PINSKY: It wasn`t job done? Let me get out of here. Carolina, do you have any thoughts on this?
CAROLINA BERMUDEZ, TV & RADIO PERSONALITY: Well, you know, yes, she did want to get out of there and that`s exactly what she did. I think it comes
down to integrity. What do you do when no one is watching? Well, when no one was watching -- or when she thought no one was watching -- she wiped
off her glass, she pulled down the blinds, and she pretended like she was never there. So I think that speaks volumes about her character and who
she is as a person.
You know, you walk down the street and you see someone in distress, you call 911. You`re not going to call 911 for your john, this guy you`ve had
repeated visits with? So I think that says a lot about her.
PINSKY: Look at some of her tattoos. Is my caller still there? OK, here`s -- you wanted to comment about the tattoo, is Khristina Brucker, who
again was a live-in nanny. Is that correct??
BRUCKER: Yes, I do.
PINSKY: OK, here we go. On her collarbone, "Hell is love." On her arm, "Kiss or kill." And also on her arm, "Till death to us part." Is there
anything --?
BRUCKER: And here`s the thing. She told the authorities about all those tattoos. One of those is just something out of a song. Another, the "Till
death do us part" is something she had with her best friend. That was actually something that she got to match with her best friend that they
actually weren`t friends anymore when I met you, and said it was something that broke her heart.
But you can`t blame tattoos and body modification for drug abuse or any kind of psychosis. You can`t -- because that`s blaming an aesthetic.
You`re saying that something that`s aesthetically appealing to me is because of maybe some trauma or something in my life? And to be real
honest with you, I have plenty of tattoos, and I`m very alternative looking myself. I don`t use drugs. I`ve never used drugs and --
PINSKY: No, no, Khristina, what we said was that there`s an association that`s just there between sexual trauma and the probability of seeking body
modification.
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BRUCKER: Right and the truth is, that`s why I came forward, because I`m trying to show you that even though she`s gone forward and wanted to get
body modifications, it`s not because of some mental problem.
PINSKY: No, forget the body -- because that`s simply a correlation.
Karamo, you wanted to say something?
BROWN: Yes, well, first of all, her defense needs to stop calling her a wounded bird. She`s an addict. And that is what she is. You need to call
a spade a spade. And talking about her tattoos, I have tattoos. Many of my friends have tattoos. That does not justify her being a killer. What
we need to focus on her mental state as a an addict. What are we going to do with her? How are we going to use this as a teachable moment? I mean,
Dr. Drew, you said it and I think that`s the point we`re missing here, is we need to be educating people on what to do when someone is an addict.
How do you relate to someone in your life who is an addict, not worry about or focus on the fact that she stepped over him. She was high. Come on,
let`s get over it.
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PINSKY: Anahaita, what.
SEDAGHATFAR: Dr. Drew, you guys are talking about her tattoos? How about the fact he`s a drug addict and a prostitute, OK? How about that? And I
actually like what her defense attorney said. She is a wounded bird. I guarantee you, if you look into her past, she didn`t grow up in a perfect
house with a white picket fence and a dog.
SCHACHER: She did.
SEDAGHATFAR: No.
SCHACHER: She actually did.
(CROSSTALK)
SEDAGHATFAR: That`s what you think. What went on behind closed doors, I bet you`ll find some abuse, some type of dysfunction, some type of trauma.
BROWN: Who cares if she grow up in a wealthy home or not? Who cares if she grew up in a wealthy home or not or what happened in her background? I
know people who grow up in very impoverished neighborhoods that did not grow up to be in drug addicts.
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, that`s part of her defense.
(CROSSTALK)
BROWN: And I also knew people who grew up in very wealthy households that did not 00
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Carolina, what do you say? Carolina, last word.
BERMUDEZ: Well, no, I agree with you. I know many people who are addicts who are not murderers. I know many people who grew up in, as my fellow
panel member said, in impoverished neighborhoods that aren`t going out and killing people. I mean, come on, we`re making these excuses for this girl.
And let`s call a spade a spade. This is exactly what she did. She stepped over the body, she excused herself out of the yacht, and now we`re
expecting people to look at her and say, oh ,it was his fault for calling her. I mean, come on, let`s be real here.
PINSKY: And let me address about Karamo brought up here, about what should you do when somebody is addicted. And here -- I`ll give you a couple of
just brief primers. A, do not walk on eggshells. Do not walk on eggshells around that person. Be very matter of fact. Say hey, I know what you`re
doing. You kidding? Don`t be ridiculous. But I`m really worried about you. I`m afraid you`re going to die.
Then offer treatment, offer support, but do not participate and support them in their disease. Just offer treatment. Support them in their
recovery. And finally if they`re unwilling to get treatment, you have to be willing to leave. Because sometimes a close relationship leaving is the
only thing that gets that person`s attention. I`ve seen that send people to treatment more times than I can count.
But do not walk on eggshells. If you trigger righteous indignation, laugh at them. If they`re angry at you for bringing up their heroin addiction,
dude, I`m just trying to save your life. Don`t be ridiculous.
All right, panel, next up, husband and wife who lived what seemed to be a picture perfect life until he was arrested for murdering her. Back after
this.
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PINSKY (voice-over): She was a beautiful and beloved orthodontist. He was her handsome husband and the father of their 2-year-old daughter. But this
seemingly picture perfect marriage turned deadly. Tonight, 42-year-old Randy Maidens stands accused of pumping ten bullets into his wife, Rachel,
then allegedly fleeing their plush country club mansion, reportedly leaving his toddler age daughter home alone with the body of her mommy.
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PINSKY (on camera): Back with same, Danine, Heather and Anahita. The murder of orthodontist Rachel Maidens allegedly by her husband Randy is
tonight`s focus of "The Killer Next Door". We`re going to speak to a neighbor who had a bizarre encounter with Randy. And my guest will be
listening in on this conversation and thinking up some interesting questions they might have.
Sam, give us some background on the story.
SCHACHER: Yes, so Randy Maidens, Dr. Drew, had no previous criminal history nor any reports of domestic violence. However, two months before
this alleged murder, he was arrested on a DUI charge. Then a month after that, he was reportedly drunk at a work conference screaming, "I`m going to
kill my wife." Then eight months after the alleged murder, while he was released on bond, he was arrested for public intoxication. Since then, his
bond has been revoked, he`s back behind bars, and he awaits his trial this September.
PINSKY: Sam, am I right that the episode when he was intoxicated, that caused him to revoke his bail, he was running around his neighborhood
ringing door bells or something?
SCHACHER: And pretending he was a police officer.
PINSKY: Oh, that`s nice.
PINSKY: All right, on the phone I`ve got Cynthia Rosenblum. She lived across the street from this killer, the husband, Randy Maidens, who is the
husband of the wife Rachel, the orthodontist. Cynthia, you had a very strange encounter with Randy. Tell us about thAT.
CYNTHIA ROSENBLUM, NEIGHBOR (via telephone): Yes, about three weeks before the murder, one afternoon I heard my dog barking his alert barks. I looked
out behind my house and saw a man running along the property line about 40 feet from my back door. He was dressed all in black, in a sweat suit and a
ski mask, which was odd, because the day was one of the very first warm days of spring. He was also wearing a black backpack (INAUDIBLE).
I tracked him until he came up out of the woods at the edge of my property and he was accompanied by two (INAUDIBLE) dogs. And he was startled to see
me standing there looking at him and I asked him, "What are you doing?" And he had replied, you know, with a bit statement like, "Do you think the
weather will ever change?:
And I asked him again, "What are you doing?" And he said, "I live right there," and indicated the house where the murder later occurred. So I
asked him again, "What are you doing?" And he said, "My wife is a doctor and I promised her I would take the dogs for a walk and I got lost."
I thought to myself, "Big, fat lie." But I said to him, "I recognize your dogs, but it`s pretty creepy looking out your window and seeing a man
running through the forest." And he just laughed and walked away to the murder house. As he walked away, I recognized his profile and knew he was
the man from that house.
PINSKY: Before this bizarre episode, what was he like as a neighbor? Did you know him at all?
ROSENBLUM: Well, he appeared to avoid neighborly behavior. Like, he would not look up or wave like your other neighbors do when you walk or drive
past. And I`d actually never seen his face straight on before, just his profile. And he appeared obsessed with the quality of his lawn. But I
never once saw him with his daughter in the yard or anywhere else. I didn`t know he had a daughter.
There were a number of stories circulating through the neighborhood about him getting drunk and threatening his wife. I never witnessed it. Of
course, to me, he went from this obsession with his lawn to the bizarre behavior of the ninja and then of course it ended up with him allegedly
crossing over into murderous behavior.
PINSKY: Could, Cynthia, you ever imagine something like this in your neighborhood?
ROSENBLUM: No. It`s my understanding that the Governor`s Club, as a neighborhood, has the greatest concentration of wealth per house hold in
the State of Tennessee. There are country music stars and professional athletes whose names you would recognize who live there. There are
security guards with gated entrances, patrolling the neighborhood 24/7. So you really don`t know who`s living across the street or behind.
PINSKY: I want to bring in the panel because I have a question for Cynthia. Danine, do you have a question?
MANETTE: I do. I`m wondering how long you lived there and, during the course of time you were there, is this something that happened within a few
weeks before the murder? Or was this strange behavior happening for months or years?
PINSKY: No, no, I can answer you. It was just one episode about two months before the murder. Is that right, Cynthia?
ROSENBLUM: Yes. I lived in the neighborhood for ten years and he lived there for about five.
PINSKY: All right, somebody told me -- go ahead, Heather. Go ahead.
MCDONALD: I was going to say, you know, when she said I would never imagine this happening in my neighborhood, it`s a beautiful gated community
-- everyone should expect this to happen in their neighborhood. It happens every day. It doesn`t matter. People lose their mind and they have access
to a gun, and that is the problem, when you have access to a gun and you know someone has access to a gun and they`re acting strange, you need to
tell someone.
Now, obviously she doesn`t know if this weird ninja guy had a gun. But if you feel that someone in your life is acting strange, maybe someone`s ex-
husband is acting odd and you know that they have a gun, I think that you need to speak up. Because that can be a problem. I`m not saying people
shouldn`t have guns, I`m just saying you need to be aware of the people who own them. When they start acting weird, please speak up.
PINSKY: Cynthia, I want to thank you for joining us. I`ve got to go to break in a second. But I`ve got to go to Anahita first. You were scoffing
at what Heather said. What are you thinking?
SEDAGHATFAR: I mean, I just think if someone is crazy and they`re hell bent on hurting somebody, they`re going to find a way to hurt that person
with or without a gun.
MCDONALD: It`s going to take a lot longer than shooting a gun. It`s going to take a lot longer to poison them, to even smother them.
SEDAGHATFAR: Statistics show the contrary. I mean, my only question I would have is why the neighbor didn`t call the police, Dr. Drew, if she
felt that was something suspicious. I`m wondering if it crossed her mind to call the police.
PINSKY: Anahita, I`ll keep the panel together, I`ll keep the caller with me and I`ll ask her that after the break.
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ROSENBLUM: I saw a man running across the forest line and I thought that was very strange. So I went out a side door and I tracked him. And he was
wearing all black, including a ski mask and a backpack that was cylinder shaped. And I decided to confront hum. so I walked over to 30 feet from
him and I said, "What are you doing?" And he was startled. And I said, "What are you doing?" And he said, "I live right there," and he pointed to
the house where the murder later occurred.
So I finally said to him, "Well, I recognize your dogs. But it`s pretty creepy to look out your back window to see a man running through the
forest."
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Danine, Heather and Anahita. Cynthia Rosenblum`s former neighbor, Randy Maidens, is the alleged killer next door. He faces
first degree murder charges in the shooting death of his orthodontist wife. And Cynthia, the question from Anahita before the break was did you ever
think to call the police about what you saw?
ROSENBLUM (via telephone): I thought about that day but running through the forest dressed in black is not technically illegal. So I discussed it
with my husband and my personal suspicion was he was probably a Peeping Tom and we were going to wait to see if he reappeared.
PINSKY: OK, so Anahita, the answer is they were not thinking violence. They were not going that way at all. Sam.
SCAHCHER: yes, Dr. Drew, I just have a quick comment, because I was just inundated with a number of tweets how do we know that this guy killed his
wife?
Uh, this guy is as guilty as they come. May I remind everybody that he fled the scene. He had $87,000 cash in his car. He called up --
PINSKY: But Sam --
SCHACHER: Hold on. He called up his brother-in-law that day and said, hey, man, want to let you know you`ve been a great brother-in-law but this
is our last conversation. And, Dr. Drew, who else would have killed her? This wasn`t a burglary. What, a disgruntled patient? Or the mafia? I
mean, I know he`s not proven guilty but come on.
PINSKY: OK, it`s still allegations and the trial is under way.
SCHACHER: I know but still.
PINSKY: Danine, you laughed when Sam said that.
MANETTE: And it just shows that your financial portfolio does not speak to your propensity to violence.
PINSKY: Of course not, of course not.
MANETTE: Just because you live in a certain neighborhood, that doesn`t mean people aren`t going to kill each other. You have no idea what`s going
on in other people`s homes.
PINSKY: A couple of things, we see a picture of him there, he`s jacked up. He`s got muscles -- maybe he`s taking steroids.
MANETTE: Every killer has a next door neighbor.
PINSKY: Well, he could have been taking some steroids, could have gotten manic. Look at this picture him. When you see the white above the iris,
what`s called a stare. We get a picture of his arms too at the same time. That`s a sign of mania. There`s not much -- it could be a hyper thyrodism,
it could be a mania, there`s not much else that can give a look like that.
Heather, you want to say something?
MCDONALD: No, I was just going say when we were saying why didn`t the neighbor call. I mean, in her defense, and being that she`s, you know,
looks great for still a little bit older, I was just going say, in her defense, people don`t want to get involved. It`s that nature to go, all
right, it`s not our business, shut the door. And she did discuss it with her husband, and she`s right. It wasn`t -- she didn`t see him waving a
weapon around. And I hope that, you know, it`s a lot probably weighing on her that she didn`t say anything.
But still I think that we as this generation and younger needs to learn that this is the time, post 9/11, when you need to speak up when you see
suspicious behavior.
PINSKY: See something, say something.
MCDONALD: And just speak up, just report. Then it`s in their hands, the police, but at least you said something and you can sleep and say at least
I said something.
PINSKY: Danine.
MANETTE: It`s one thing to not to call. It`s another thing to leave your house and follow somebody in dark clothing through the woods. That`s where
I think I need to draw the line. I don`t need people following dark clothed persons out into the woods.
PINSKY: She should have inside and called the cops.
MANINE: Yes, yes.
PINSKY: Anahita, your sort of reaction to all of this?
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I`m thinking about this. I think that, yes, he`s innocent until proven guilty, Dr. Drew, but there is evidence to show that
this was premeditated. I know you`re shocked I`m going to say this. But he left a note apparently confessing to the killing. He did have allegedly
that $80,000 in cash in his car. He fled the scene. So, to me, these do show signs of premeditation.
PINSKY: OK, thank you for not defending him for a change.
SEDAGHATFAR: You`re welcome.
PINSKY: OK, we got to go to break. Be right back.
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PINSKY: Final note tonight about the Malaysian airliner shot out of the sky, killed everyone on the plane, 298 people, and just our sincerest
condolences to the families and friends around the world.
Good night.
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