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MH17 Victim Remains Begin Journey Back To Netherlands; Pro-Russian Rebels Shoot Down Two Ukrainian Fighter Jets; U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry Arrives in Jerusalem; Typhoon Manmo Slams Taiwan, Mainland China; Family Members of Kidnapped Nigerian Schoolgirls Speak Out

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JIM CLANCY, HOST: I'm Jim Clancy at CNN Center. Welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet.

The remains of those killed when MH17 was shot down are now on their way back to the Netherlands.

And now breaking news that pro-Russian rebels have shot down two Ukrainian fighter jets.

The U.S. Secretary of State arriving in Israel at an airport that American regulators have declared off limits for commercial U.S. airlines.

And iPad sales slipping, but Apple's earnings getting a boost from China.

We're going to begin our report this hour with breaking news out of Ukraine. We told you about this a few minutes ago. A Ukrainian

counterterrorism spokesman tells CNN two Ukrainian fighter jets have been shot down in the eastern part of the country. It's this embattled

atmosphere that many blame for the downing of that Malaysian passenger jet late last week.

Now a plane carrying the first set of remains of the victims who were aboard MH17 left from the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv early today. It is

expected to land some two hours from now in the Dutch city of Eindhoven.

Let's get more on the shooting, though, of those two Ukrainian fighter jets and the context that is so critically important. And of course we'll

learn more about the investigation into the downing of MH17. Phil Black joining me now live. He's from rebel controlled Donetsk in eastern

Ukraine.

How much detail do we really have on the shoot down of these two jets at this point?

PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Jim, what we know is it's two SU-25s. These are Russian made ground attack aircraft that are

used to flying low and hitting their targets pretty close. And it appears that they have been shot down in an area not far from the wreckage of MH

flight 17. East of that location, perhaps around 40 kilometers or so between MH17's crash site and the Russian border. It's really pretty

close.

What is not clear is what brought these aircraft down. SU-25s are strong. They are very heavily armored and they don't come down easily. It

usually requires some sort of considerable surface to air system, usually a missile.

What we don't know is whether or not it is the same missile system, if indeed it is a missile system, that much of the international community,

and particularly the west, suspects was used in downing Malaysia Airlines flight 17, that is the BUK missile system, a sophisticated Russian system

again.

So I think once we start to hear those sorts of details, it will tell us a lot more about just how aggressive the Russian militants are being in

taking on Ukrainian air power. Clearly, they are prepared to take it on. We've seen that now six days, just six days, after the downing of MH flight

17. And it continues what was a trend before then as well, because the Ukrainian military had lost a number of aircraft in the days leading up to

the flight -- leading up to the crash of the Malaysian airline, Jim.

CLANCY: So much loss of civilian life, Phil. Some would have thought the Russians, the pro-Russian rebels might have, you know, muted their use

of these kinds of weapons systems. At the same time one might have wondered whether the Ukrainians themselves would halt their sorties, their

air attacks against the rebels there in the eastern environs, but clearly that hasn't happened.

BLACK: That's right, Jim.

And indeed we were speaking to a lot of people on the ground in this region not just about the downing of MH flight 17, but about the ongoing

conflict. These are people who are living through a civil war and particularly those close to the crash site have now had to experience far

greater horrors in recent days. And they've been telling us, they will not easily forget the events of the last week. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BLACK: The debris of MH17 is scattered over a wide area, so is the trauma inflicted on local residents. In the nearby village of Rosovpinya

(ph) the playground of an orphanage is empty and silent. But children who call this home have been sent away, because on July 17 they saw too much.

Valentina (ph) teaches here.

She says, "last Thursday the children were all outside when there was an explosion." She says, "the children started screaming these are dead

bodies."

Valentina (ph) shows me where the body of a woman fell on the edges of the field where children were playing. Another woman came down nearby.

And here, she says, the children saw the body of a boy hit the earth.

She says they were terrified, some screamed, some just sat and cried.

MH17's cockpit now lies down the street. Valentina and other women who work at the orphanage have been coming here with pictures of children

killed in the aircraft. They leave them toys, flowers for their parents.

In this village, showered in debris where people fell through ceilings and in yards, people say they will never forget July 17. For Nedezshda

(ph) the explosions, fear and bodies were like memories of the Second World War.

As well as trauma, people here feel relief, even gratitude, because no one on the ground was hurt by the bodies or the huge pieces of debris which

fell so close to their homes.

Near the main crash site Grabove residents prayed for MH17's victims. These people are living through a civil war, but even they never expected

to witness death on such an extraordinary scale.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BLACK: Jim, ever since the downing of MH flight 17, we have seen that civil war continuing. We have seen and heard the use of heavy weapons on

the outskirts of Donetsk and in the near distance from the crash site itself. And that war, as I say, has continued in the wake of that air

disaster now with the confirmation that two Ukrainian fighter jets have also been shot down by pro-Russian rebels in that same region as the MH17

wreckage.

It shows that the Russian -- pro-Russian fighters are prepared to continue that fight not just on the ground, but they're also prepared to

continue taking that fight to Ukraine's air power as well despite the fact that much of the international community is angrily pointing their fingers

at pro-Russian forces for -- and accusing them, really, of downing that passenger airliner six days ago, Jim.

CLANCY: Poignant reporting there. Important to remember, you know, the people on the ground that are going through all of this the effect that

it has on them, especially on the children there in eastern Ukraine. Phil Black thank you so much for that.

Now Washington has now released some new evidence on the downing of MH17. As for what actually brought down the plane, the U.S. intelligence

community is now ruling out everything accept a ground to air missile. Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr has a report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There are some things the U.S. intelligence community says they do know.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY: Airlines Flight 17 was downed by a missile that was fired from the ground. That missile was

fired from a separatist-controlled area.

STARR: What they say they don't know, were Russians directly involved. That is now the key question. U.S. intelligence officials say they can't

pin it down yet.

CNN obtained this diagram put together by the U.S. intelligence community showing the trajectory of the attack after analyzing several

pieces of data. U.S. intelligence picked up the missile launcher being turned on. Then the vertical ascent of the missile and its heat plume

enabling intelligence analysts to then calculate the missile's trajectory and launch point on the ground near the Russian border.

MH17 was on this course when the missile was fired, hitting the plane here. There were secondary explosions from the plane as it crashed to the

ground. Getting to the wreckage now vital. Pieces of the missile may still be there and the wreckage of MH17 itself has much to tell.

LT. COL. RICK FRANCONA (RET.), CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Analysis of the shrapnel and the damage to the aircraft will tell us exactly where the

aircraft was struck, what systems were hit and how the aircraft actually came down.

STARR: In the wake of the attack, there is little military evidence the Russians are going to ratchet back. U.S. officials say Russia

continues to ship weapons across the border into Ukraine as many as 20 tanks and armored vehicles on Tuesday alone.

U.S. officials also released this satellite image of a military area near Rostov just inside the Russian border. On the left, mid-June, then on

the right this Monday, a significant buildup of weapons, many headed for Ukraine.

Rostov is also the area where U.S. officials say the rebels are being trained on how to operate surface-to-air missile systems. But still the

U.S is uncertain about who gave the order to fire that brought down the Malaysia airliner.

Barbara Starr, CNN, The Pentagon.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CLANCY: There's much more to come here on News Stream. The death toll rising and the fighting between Israel and Hamas. Now America's top

diplomat is in Tel Aviv trying to stop the violence and the bloodshed. The bid for a ceasefire.

Apple says it has new products in the works it cannot wait to introduce. But meantime, are its iPads losing some steam?

And unsafe to eat: a new food scandal hits China and some of the world's biggest fast food chains.

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CLANCY: Bombs, bullets and missiles, violence in Israel and Gaza saw death tolls claw their way higher on Wednesday. At least 29 Israeli

soldiers and two civilians have now been killed and 652 Palestinians, some two-thirds or more civilians have also died.

In a speech, the UN human rights commissioner condemned both sides for the ongoing bloodshed. She said, "war crimes and crimes against humanity

are two of the most serious types of crimes in existence, and credible that they have been committed must be properly investigated. So far," she says,

"they have not been."

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki- moon are speaking to officials on both sides. They're hoping somehow, some way, to broker a ceasefire here.

On Tuesday, U.S. regulators banned all flights to Israel's Ben Gurion Airport after a rocket hit a house just a little more than a kilometer from

the airport in Tel Aviv. Regulators say they will review the ban soon. Some European airlines also joined in and canceled their flights. And the

European aviation safety authority has issued a recommendation that carriers try to avoid the airport, and I'm quoting here, until further

notice.

Let's get the latest from Israel. Martin Savidge joins us now live from Ben Gurion airport.

And Martin, the Israeli media is calculating that this is a severe blow that Hamas has meted out to their side just because of the economic,

the political and the perceptions that are involved.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, correct. You know what I can't argue with that perspective because of the fact that it was just one

missile and this is what it's done, it's essentially stopped the flights of big air carriers, those coming from the United States and those coming from

Europe.

There are Hillel, which is of course the national airline and there are other domestic airlines that are flying, but for the most part the big

international carriers are staying away. And that has a huge impact.

Let me show you why they're concerned. You know, there is the flight line, just beyond it there are the runways. And then just beyond that

where you see the apartment buildings, that's Yihud (ph) and that is the area where this missile went. And that's why you have this concern.

If you're flying a jumbo jet, if you're operating a major airline with the responsibility of all those lives on board, that would be too close for

comfort.

The Israeli government maintains that this airport is safe. They protect it. They look out for it. They believe that the air carriers are

over reaching, Jim.

CLANCY: It was just about four hours ago that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry landed where you are, went right into talks with Ban Ki-moon. I

think it's the second time they met in just the last week or so trying to do something on the ceasefire front. Is there any word or progress?

SAVIDGE: There seems to be a great deal of skepticism here on a couple -- for a couple of reasons. Number one, the Israelis say they've

agreed to cease-fires in the past -- and I'm talking about during this operation, and that in the two previous times they've been broken by Hamas.

Hamas has said that it isn't good enough just to stop the shooting, there is more that has to be achieved for the sake of the Palestinian people in

Gaza. And they have a list of demands.

Israel is not going to want to give any demands or give in to them, then it would give the appearance that Hamas had won a victory. Israel

definitely doesn't want that. So that's why there seems to be skepticism.

However, there is hope. And Israel says that if a ceasefire is reached it will abide by it -- Jim.

CLANCY: Martin Savidge reporting for us there live from Ben Gurion Airport outside Tel Aviv. Martin, as always, thank you.

Now, for residents on both sides daily life goes on, well in a limited way amid all of this chaos. As Ben Wedeman found in Gaza, residents there

are now very used to living in the middle of a virtual battle zone.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Two weeks into war and Gaza carries on. A nearby blast and life goes on.

Rubble is routine now, the landscape changes daily. Several floors of this apartment building collapsed after an Israeli airstrike Monday night,

killing at least 11. This building, which around 200 people once called home, was hit Monday afternoon. No deaths or injuries because someone got

a phone call.

Gazans take the long view. Every generation has seen war and wars going back 66 years. A stone throw away from Shejiya (ph), the scene of

some of the most intense bombardment in street fighting, Abu Ihab (ph) remembers all those wars and at 75 he's had enough.

"It's better to die than live in this big prison," he tells me. "This is no life."

The fighting has been going on in Shejiya (ph) now for four days. Most of the civilians have left, probably it's just fighters left inside.

A few still venture in to retrieve their possessions, while across the road small tasks distract from big worries.

"We're sticking it out at home,' says Abu Rashid (ph). "Where else can we go?"

So they stay, struggling with mounting difficulties and dwindling patience.

"There's no electricity. It just comes on for two hours," says Khamis (ph). "The food in the fridge is spoiled. There's no water. And the kids

are terrified, because when it comes time to break the fast the so-called Israeli Defense Force starts bombing us."

And a new generation sees yet another war.

Ben Wedeman, CNN, Gaza City.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CLANCY: We were talking just a moment ago about a bid for a cease fire. Here is some video that just came into us minutes ago. U.S.

Secretary of State John Kerry alongside Palestine President Mahmoud Abbas.

Abbas, of course, could be the biggest loser in this conflict. The last time there was something like this it was necessary to look at it as a

Hamas victory. But he is trying to shore up, really, the importance of Mahmoud Abbas talking about a ceasefire.

Coming up straight ahead right here on News Stream, another food scandal gripping China, ensnaring the likes of McDonalds and Burger King.

If you're a fast food lover, you're not going to like this. We'll have more and more of these pictures after this.

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CLANCY: ..where news and technology meets, this is News Stream.

You know, Apple released its latest earnings, kind of a mixed bag. The good news, profits surging by 12 percent mostly fueled by the iPhones

and Mac computer sales from around the world. But it seems that the tech giant may be worried about a worm in the Apple and that's the iPad. Tablet

sales slumped for the second consecutive quarter this year. They were down 9 percent.

Now compare that to this time just two years ago when sales were up a remarkable 84 percent for the year. What's more, it's the cheaper iPad

such as the Mini that are doing better.

But there's a bright spot on the horizon for Apple and that's emerging markets, one in particular. In most places, growth hovers around the

single digits, but in China sales have grown by 28 percent from one year ago. This comes on the back of Apple's latest partnership with the network

China Mobile that taps into a vast user base there.

Well, other news coming out of China not so bright, new food scandal is emerging. A U.S. owned meat supplier Shanghai Husi Food Company faces

allegations that it sold expired meat products to some of the world's biggest fast food chains.

Well, now McDonalds and Yum Brands, which owns Kentucky Fried Chicken and Pizza Hut, have suspended orders. Shanghai Husi is under

investigation. Five people are said to be in custody already.

Let's get more from David McKenzie in Beijing.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This expanding food scandal has affected many different companies here in China and some of the

most iconic American fast food brands on the planet.

It began with this grainy video shot by local TV showing workers allegedly processing expired meat, mixing raw and recycled meat and pulling

raw meat directly off the floor with their bare hands.

The video has caused a nationwide outcry in China. And this Shanghai facility has been shut down.

It's a subsidiary of U.S. food group OSI. They say they've been appalled by the report and they've begun an investigation saying they have

zero tolerance for any unsafe practices, but will take responsibility.

McDonalds and Yum Brands, which owns KFC and Pizza Hut, said they had been affected and have stopped orders from the factory.

Despite this scandal, people are still flocking into these outlets throughout Beijing. And it doesn't seem really that there's much affect on

the business.

"We never know in China," said this man. "Compared to our other local options, McDonalds is much better and more organized in their response to

issues."

"I'm always worried about food safety issues in China," she says, "with local and now foreign companies."

"I have no choice," says this man. "Other places are really expensive."

All of the companies have stopped using the supplier and they've pulled the products off their shelf. And no one has gotten sick from this

food scare, but it still poses questions about the risks that U.S. companies take by doing business in China.

David McKenzie, CNN, Beijing.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CLANCY: Still to come on News Stream, U.S. intelligence officials say they now believe Ukrainian separatists may have fired at MH17 without

realizing it was a commercial airliner.

Plus, we'll take you live to Gaza City where our reporters on the ground are tracking the latest in the escalating crisis between Israel and

Hamas.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CLANCY: Welcome back everyone. You're with News Stream. I'm Jim Clancy. And these are your world headlines on CNN.

Two Ukrainian military jets have been show down in the eastern part of the country. Those planes were SU-25 fighter jets similar to the ones that

you see here. This shoot down comes as two planes carrying the bodies of 40 victims of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 are already on their way to the

Netherlands. The first is due to arrive in about 90 minutes time. Many of the nearly 300 victims were Dutch nationals.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is in the Middle East. He's pushing for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, but the bloodshed

continues Wednesday. 652 Palestinians, a majority of them civilians, are dead. Twenty-nine Israeli soldiers plus two civilians have been killed

during the conflict.

Months in investigation have concluded that the death of Peaches Geldof was due to a drug overdose. A coroner ruled that the 25-year-old

television presenter and daughter of Live Aid founder Bob Geldof was addicted to heroin and had restarted using the drug five months ago.

Tensions on the ground in Ukraine have prolonged the already difficult task of trying to handle the fallout of MH17. But as our Andrew Stevens

reports over the past several days, the Malaysian prime minister has played a key role in trying to break this stalemate.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANDREW STEVENS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: After days of deep frustration and private anguish, the Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak

finally got a breakthrough he was hoping for: a deal with the rebels in Ukraine.

Right down to the last few hours, news conferences were called and then delayed in Kuala Lumpur as the final details were ironed out.

But just after midnight Monday, he had a deal.

NAJIB RAZAK, MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER (through translator): Tonight, we have established the basis of an agreement. The remains of 282 people

currently in Torres (ph) will be moved by train to Kharkiv where they will be handed over to representatives from the Netherlands.

At approximately 9:00 p.m. tonight, Ukraine time, the two black boxes will be handed over to a Malaysian team in Donetsk.

STEVENS: A government source close to the prime minister tells me that a key to securing that deal was a decision made on day one to adopt a

strategy of quiet personal diplomacy rather than public outrage, even though the prime minister's own family was directly affected by the

tragedy.

The prime minister's step-grandmother, the second wife of his grandfather, was on flight MH17. Relatives say he stayed in close contact,

repeatedly promising not just them, but all the next of kin he spoke to, that the bodies would be returned. The aim was by the end of the holy

month of Ramadan, July 28.

The source tells me that the prime minister set about using his own extensive contacts to get in tough via back channels with the rebel leader

of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic Alex Borodai. Only a handful of people in the government's office knew about the private

communication, according to the source.

Together with growing public pressure, it's believed the prime minister's effects helped break that stalemate.

There are still many questions to be answered. The key, of course, if the plane was indeed shot down who actually was responsible. As these

protesters outside the Russian embassy in Kuala Lumpur Tuesday shouted, "we want justice."

Andrew Stevens, CNN, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CLANCY: Now, of course the Kremlin as you saw there has come under fire for its decision to arm pro-Russian rebels who now stand accused of

bringing down that jetliner. But it seemed Moscow is undeterred. U.S. intelligence indicating now that Russia is still sending military weapons

and equipment over the border to the separatists. The shootdown of two fighters jets today reinforces that.

CNN's Diana Magnay joins us live from Moscow -- Diana.

DIANA MAGNAY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Jim.

Well, first of all Moscow has always denied that it has either armed the rebels or supported in any way -- certainly, no, just armed the rebels.

We know that there has been a flow of fighters over across the border into eastern Ukraine. And from what we have seen on the ground from what U.S.

intelligence says, from what NATO says, it is fairly clear that there has always been a flow of weapons into the rebels in eastern Ukraine.

But Russia's position is we do not arm them. And therefore the finger pointing at Russia from the U.S. before there has been a thorough and

independent investigation, before anything other than circumstantial evidence has really been provided is viewed here in Russia, is viewed in

the Kremlin as a very aggressive way of international statesmanship.

Mr. Putin has stood up and said, we will do what we can to influence the rebels, to open up the crash site. But, you know, the bigger picture

is that effectively the west are boxing Mr. Putin into a corner. And he is feeling the pressure, undoubtedly, but whether he responds in a way that in

any way lessens the conflict in eastern Ukraine is a different story. He's not a man who responds well to this kind of pressure who is unlikely to in

the face of international pressure turn around and go, OK, fine, we're going to back down. We're going to stop the flow of weapons into eastern

Ukraine and we'll let the whole thing slip. I just don't see him from all my talks with analysts here that that is really the way to deal with the

Russian president.

CLANCY: Diana, President Putin's statistics, his support in the polls, is truly astounding.

Now these polls were conducted before the downing of flight MH17. And I'm wondering, he had 84 percent, I think, in early June. I'm just

wondering now what is the public perspective on this incident and on Russia's responsibility for it?

MAGNAY: Well, I don't think much has changed in terms of his popularity rating. I think that the accusations of the west and the fact

that this is turned into effectively an information war makes Russians even more certain to rally around their leader. And you need only look at the

Russian papers or watch state media, which 90 percent of Russians do watch, to get the attitude that Russia is being unfairly accused of a role in this

crime when it has none. And this sort of arsenic us against them siege mentality is simply reinforced.

The annexation of Crimea was what really bolstered Mr. Putin's popularity ratings. And I think that this tragic accident, which is

clearly conceived here also as a huge tragedy, but it is also construed by the press here as a way for the west to attack Mr. Putin. And that only

serves to reinforce his position in the national -- in the public view, Jim.

CLANCY: Diana Magnay, great to have you there in Moscow, the Russian capital. Many thanks for your report on this. And I'm going to take our

viewers now live to Eindhoven.

This is a military helicopter that has touched down. They are in preparations there. Remember, we've got some 40 victims whose bodies will

be brought to this air base. They are airborne right now flying from Ukraine to this location. Some of the people, perhaps, the dignitaries

that will be there standing on the tarmac paying honor, really, and respect to the victims.

So many victims, innocent victims, aboard flight MH17 that was downed some six days ago in eastern Ukraine.

So that's some of the activity that's going on there.

We will take you live when those events take place here.

All right, I want to take you back to the conflict in the Middle East now. That's where violence in Israel and Gaza is continuing unabated. The

death toll now stands at 652 mostly civilians, overwhelmingly civilians on the Palestinian side, and 29 Israeli soldiers as well as two civilians

killed in Israel or in Gaza.

Karl Penhaul standing by for us right now in the epicenter Gaza City - - Karl.

KARL PENHAUL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jim, the fighting today seems to have been concentrated on eastern Gaza, once again,

the Shezaiya (ph) and Tufan (ph) neighborhoods. And certainly this afternoon those neighborhoods taking a huge pounding from Israeli air

strikes. You could hear artillery shells pounding there as well. And also closer in if you got closer in you could also hear the automatic rattle of

gunfire.

This is not just a long range war right now it has also got down and dirty with Hamas militants fighting the Israeli infantry almost hand to

hand.

But just to give you an idea of what the atmosphere is right there in the thick of it, I want to show you a piece of video, really impressive

piece of video, that was shot on Sunday when the fighting in those neighborhoods started.

I'm not going to talk over it, I just want you to hear the sound. Listen to this.

And that's the kind of intensity of fighting that we've been hearing and seeing from our vantage point throughout the day as well.

We're getting very little flow of information either from Hamas or from the Israeli military about exactly what is going on there. At one

point, the International Committee of the Red Cross was trying to get in there with some bulldozers, with some ambulances, to see if any civilians

still needed to be evacuated out of there despite the fact that thousands fled on Sunday.

But we did get one statement from the al Qassam Brigade, Hamas's military wing, they gave us a little hint of why the uptick in fighting

there. The al Qassam Brigade said they once again have fired a missile at an Israeli armored personnel carrier and it engaged the Israeli infantry in

clashes there. The al Qassam Brigades say that they did inflict casualties on the Israeli military, but so far no confirmation from the Israeli side.

Also we're hearing, Jim, just in the last few moments, in fact, that further south down on the Gaza Strip, down near Han Jounis (ph) reports of

shelling in that area as well with a lot of people fleeing from their homes heading towards the hospitals or to United Nations schools, which right now

are probably their only refuge -- Jim.

CLANCY: You know, I want to step back, if we can Karl, a little bit from the conflict itself on the ground here and look at both sides. This

is a dance of death that these two sides have engaged in several times, many times in the past over missiles flying into Israel over the

occupation, what they called a prison camp there in Gaza. But I'm just wondering, what's the strategy here. There's no apparent strategy. Israel

says it's to destroy tunnels that everyone knows Hamas will come back and build.

Hamas, you know, says its strategy is resistance. There doesn't seem to be either one of the sides that are involved in this has a clear

strategy about what they can -- they might accomplish.

PENHAUL: I'm not so sure about that, Jim. I mean, on the one hand, yes, you're right, the Israelis come in and they say our mission now

relatively limited set of goals and they're selling to the public opinion that we want to shut down these tunnels so militant commandos can't burrow

into Israel. We want to destroy the rocket launchers so we can't get any more rockets onto Israeli soil. And they're going to try to do that at

least in a limited capacity.

And as you say, that might be effective only for a short period of time, because what Hamas and the other militants groups on the Strip have

shown over the years is the ability to reequip, to retool and to come back fighting.

And that is what is surprising me this time. I was here in 2008, 2009 during that confrontation and the ground incursion by Israel and this time

around it is very surprising the kind of fight that Hamas, its militants and the other militant factions are putting up. They have clearly since

the previous confrontation spent a lot of time, a lot of technology, a lot of know how improving their tactics, improving their strategy.

So in guerrilla warfare terms, leaving aside the fact that a lot of these militant groups are on international terrorist watch lists, but just

in guerrilla warfare terms, Hamas is giving a very good account of itself despite the bombardments in eastern Gaza where you would think the mouths

of these tunnels are, Hamas continue to get its commando units onto Israeli territory to attack Israeli patrols. And they are inflicting casualties.

When you see those huge bombardments going on in eastern Gaza, then when as soon as there's a lull in the fighting it seems that a rocket

launcher pops up and will fire off barrages of rockets.

They are putting up a very different fight than they did before. They are not shrinking from this fight. And they've got some incredible

training from somewhere to fight this asymmetric war against, let's be honest, one of the most powerful, sophisticated armies in the world, that

is Israel's conventional army, Jim.

But then in political terms, you're right, what do they gain? Because even any guerrilla war must have its political aims. It's not just what

goes on on the battlefield. And talking to Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhum the other day. He basically said to me this time he said this time there

is no return to the status quo, there is no going back to a ceasefire that really hasn't suited us, that all it has done has been to lock us in Gaza's

borders.

He said now that this fight has kicked off, he said we might as well carry on. This fight is going to be a fight to change the conditions in

Gaza once and for all. In some sense is announcing that this is a major phase in the independence war.

Is he talking himself up? Is he talking Hamas's capabilities up? We're going to have to keep a close eye on that, Jim.

CLANCY: All right, great analysis there, Karl. Really appreciate the input from both sides as you look on at the conflict in your experience

there on the ground inside Gaza. Thank you.

Well, 100 days ago, Boko Haram militants took more than 200 girls from their school. They were undergoing examinations. Now the parents of some

of the girls are finally talking to CNN about that terrible night and the daughters that were abducted. And their hopes, their hopes they may one

day return home.

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CLANCY: Welcome back to News Stream.

100 days, it's been 100 days since Nigeria's Islamic fundamentalist group Boko Haram, a name that literally means education is forbidden, went

to a schoolhouse where hundreds of girls had gathered to take their final exams and then kidnapped more than 200 of them.

Nigeria's President Goodluck Jonathan finally, finally meeting with many of these families for the first time. He's never been to Chibok, the

town in northern Nigeria where they were taken in the 100 days since this kidnapping.

Some of the students who managed to escape their captors on their own also sat down with him, but there are more than 200 of their classmates

still being held by Boko Haram that's threatening to sell them into sexual slavery.

The president telling the parents he's going to make sure that kidnapped girls do come home. He's been sharply criticized for not doing

enough to rescue them.

Isha Sesay talked to two of the girls about what they are going through and the terrible night their daughters were kidnapped.

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ISAH SESAY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Your daughters were taken -- Rebecca, your daughter, Sarah, Nawan your daughter Isha, they were

taken April 14 when Boko Haram attacked that school in Chibok, how are you coping? How are you doing now?

LAWAN, DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPPED BY BOKO HARAM: We parents in Chibok, we are not happy. We are always angry. We see that thing that has happened,

it has took us by surprise. But when this incident happened at (inaudible) we heard a gunshot around 11:30 to 12:00 in the night. We said, I heard a

gunshot and bomb blast.

From that 11:00 until almost to 4:00 to 5:00 in the morning, they're in the town. They burn all the shopping complex, some of the residence. I

enter, I go to the (inaudible). I run. I met one security man. I ask him, where are the students? Where are my daughters?

SESAY: Tell me about your daughter. Tell me about Sarah. What is she like?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): She always loved education. She was always reading. Sometimes I would ask her, Sarah, can't you go to

sleep? And she would say, no mom. I really want to read. I want to finish my school, go to high institution and graduate because I want the

world to see me on television like the way she watches the journalists. That's her dream.

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CLANCY: Isha Sesay there talking with parents of two of the girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram. In their hometown, residents say 11 of the

parents have now died since their daughters were abducted. Some were killed in militant attacks, others from illnesses.

You are watching News Stream. And up next, Typhoon Matmo slams Taiwan with heavy rains and some very scary winds. We're going to check on the

situation there and in China where the storm has made landfall.

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CLANCY: Mighty Matmo slamming into Taiwan and now China. We are tracking this storm in the world weather center. Mari Ramos joins us for

more on this typhoon -- Mari.

MARI RAMOS, CNN WEATHER CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, you know, the storm doesn't look very organized now. It's starting to kind of begin that

degradation now into an area of low pressure. It's going to bring some very heavy rain over China. So this is not something just because it may

no longer in the next few hours no longer be a typhoon it doesn't mean that it still can't cause a lot of damage.

Fuzhou, for example, close to where the storm made landfall in China already has had a months worth of rain, Jim, in just the last 18 hours.

And there is still more rain to come.

Very significant rainfall also as we head over toward Taiwan. Look at that, over half a meter of rainfall falling in Xinan and then in Yuli

they've had over 539 millimeters of rain. So very impressive rainfall totals.

The storm made landfall in this area right here. And I want to show you some pictures of the scenes across Taiwan. You could hear the typhoon.

You can see the typhoon here. This is from our storm chase James Reynolds. And you -- look at the waves. It's really amazing.

This is an area that is very vulnerable not just to flooding, but also to mudslides because of the steep terrain that is across Taiwan, especially

in this area where the storm made landfall.

I want you to go to the next piece of video, becuase this is in Taipei. Oh, every time I see that it's just so scary. People driving

around, people out in about even as the storm is bearing down. The motorcycle in front got so lucky, that person, because would certainly have

been seriously injured or killed if this tree would have fallen on them. Look what it did to the vehicle right there. Just another example of how

dangerous storms are and things can happen in an instant when you're talking about tropical cyclones and you're talking about the weather.

Let's go ahead and take a look at the next piece of video. And this is also in Taipei. And it always amazes me when people are walking around

in the middle of a typhoon. An umbrella, of course, is not going to protect you from the rain. But what about falling debris, or flying

debris, I should say? Very dangerous situation.

Come back over to the weather map now. I want to show you some more. This is the steep topography that is vulnerable to that flooding and to

those mudslides in particular. The rain not entirely over in Taiwan just now.

The winds down to 120 kilometers per hour. As it moves inland, as I was telling you, it will weaken. But the rain will still be a huge concern

with this storm over the next couple of days and even as we head over into eastern parts of China, maybe even longer than that. This moisture may

eventually be even reaching the Korean peninsula and Japan. But for now, the area of focus will be right over here across eastern China.

All of that rain that they've had already in Fuzhou, for example, another 100 millimeters or rain not out of the question still.

Areas farther north, it could be even more than that. And look at Taiwan, the rain here, Jim, not entirely over yet, but definitely easing up

compared to what they had before.

CLANCY: Wow, incredible pictures.

Mari, as always, thank much.

That is News Stream. But the news continues right here on CNN. World Business Today is straight ahead.

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