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Dead Child Found In The House After Death Three Years Ago; Child`s Body Was In The Ottoman; "Assessing Women" Video Parody

Aired August 04, 2014 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, house of filth.

JEFF BOWERS, CHIEF OF POLICE: Roach infested, had fleas in it. The pig was inside, as well as some dogs.

PINSKY: The father whose six children were living in squalor tells his side of the story to us, exclusively.

And the hot versus crazy guy. He is here with his controversial formula for picking the right girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have the danger zone. (AUDIO GAP) strippers, anyone named Tiffany. This is --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hairdresser.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- hairdresser.

PINSKY: Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening, everyone.

My co-host is Sam Schacher.

And coming up, a dad is accused of, Sam, get this, hiding his son`s death from his own wife for four days, a bad smell in the house was the tipoff

that something wasn`t right.

SAM SCHACHER, CO-HOST: I know, Dr. Drew. And the dad says that he didn`t want to alarm the other kids that were in the house.

PINSKY: And I heard the mom hadn`t seen that child for, like --

SCHACHER: Days.

PINSKY: No, like maybe a months or a year. We will get into that.

But first, an exclusive interview with the man police say was living in squalor with his fiancee and six young children, arrested, charged with

child neglect. But he is here with us tonight and he says he has an explanation for everything and he would like a chance to clear his name.

Take a look at this.

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BOWERS: It was animal fecal matter in the floor.

PINSKY: House of filth. Police say six children, including a baby, were covered with lice and bites.

BOWERS: Roach infested, had fleas in it. The pig was inside, as well as some dogs.

PINSKY: Police were led to this home when school staffers noticed bug bites all over the children.

Twenty-three-month-old swarmed with fleas and covered with bug bites in a home with pigs and dogs and animal feces. Can you imagine?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have six children, you have to give your kids baths.

PINSKY: Starvation was suspected as the children devoured up to three plates of food in one sitting.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is attempted murder. When you don`t feed someone, they will die.

PINSKY: These two adults have been charged with child neglect.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is pure abuse. They do not deserve custody of these kids.

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PINSKY: Jared Wiggins and his fiancee have bonded out of jail. Their six children, however, remain in protective custody.

Joining us to discuss, Yasmin Vossoughian, HLN correspondent, Karamo Brown, host of #OWNShow on Oprah.com, Loni Combs, attorney and author of "You`re

Perfect and Other Lies Parents Tell."

All right. Karamo, I haven`t heard your thoughts on this story yet. So, you start out.

KARAMO BROWN, #OWNSHOW: This man and his fiancee are despicable. I hope that they are thrown in jail and that they are used as an example for other

parents to know that you cannot treat children like this because if you do, you are going to be --

PINSKY: Well, he is facing you the music.

Quickly around the horn here.

Sam, I know how you feel.

Yasmin, what do you say?

YASMIN VOSSOUGHIAN, HLN CORRESPONDENT: Look, whether or not these people were poverty stricken or not, this is no way to treat your children. I

mean, they were living in filth, there was bugs, mosquitoes, if, in fact, these children -- he had nothing else to offer them, he should have gone to

a friend`s house, should have asked for help from family members.

PINSKY: Loni, is it possible --

VOSSOUGHIN: No excuse for the way --

PINSKY: Fair enough.

Loni, isn`t it possible this is sort of excessive enthusiasm on the part of law enforcement? Isn`t it possible there is an explanation here?

LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes, I think cooler minds need to prevail here, Dr. Drew. I`m so glad that you`re having this father on. And I will

tell you why.

In the police report itself, there are three things that made me think we need to step back and really get the full facts. One, the police officer

said there were no visible injuries to any of the six children, that means no prior physical abuse, no violence on them. Second of all, neither

parent had any appearance of drug or alcohol abuse going on during this situation. And third of all, the police had been there on several

occasions in the past to talk about the animal violations and they never saw any red flags at that time about the condition of the children.

So, while at the police officer showed up at this time, there were clearly things going on that were not right, we need to step back and find out what

was really going on here before we judge them so harshly.

PINSKY: Sam, I`ve got Jared Wiggins on the phone. But let`s keep going. Samantha, what do you say?

SCHACHER: OK, here is the thing. I hear you, Loni, but the fact that these children are living in animal feces, that`s unhealthy. The fact that

they are very thin and they were starving at this camp, the fact that there was --

PINSKY: Maybe. Maybe, Samantha, maybe.

PINSKY: OK, let me finish. OK, I agree maybe and willing to say that. But the fact that there was this one sole bathtub/shower that was filled

with cockroaches, how are they supposed to get clean.

And finally, I want to respond to what you said, Yasmin, about the fact that you know, whether or not they were poverty stricken. I grew up with a

number of friends that were really poor and you could eat off the floors of their homes. I don`t think somebody`s socioeconomic status should equate

to their level of cleanliness.

PINSKY: Yasmin?

VOSSOUGHIAN: I completely agree. Maybe what I was saying didn`t come across.

SCHACHER: Oh, no, I agree with you. Yes.

VOSSOUGHIAN: OK, good. Yes, I completely agree. I mean, I don`t think that`s an excuse. And I think from what I was reading before from what the

father was saying that is his excuse, he was making $12 an hour and that he didn`t have the means to provide for his children and that`s just not

appropriate. Ask for help. You have six children.

PINSKY: Or the landlord may be uncooperative. So, I`ve invited Jarrod Wiggins to join us. He wanted a chance to clear his name. He faces six

charges of child neglect, he was released from jail less than a week ago.

So, Jarrod, first of all, thank you for joining us.

Help us -- you heard what everyone is saying on the panel here. Help people make sense of what`s happened to your family?

JARROD WIGGINS, ARRESTED FOR CHILD NEGLECT (via telephone): Well, first off, I love my children very, very dearly. I would never keep them in a

situation like this.

And as for the idea of animal feces being all over the place, they have seen one little tiny pile of poop on the floor that happened probably as

the sheriffs were coming into the house. I had a puppy that belonged to my son that we were puppy-training. The house was not covered in feces.

There was not feces everywhere.

My children were not starving. If you can ask anybody and I`m sure DSS can prove it right now that my kids have an appetite that you wouldn`t believe.

Every night that we sit down for dinner every night, they will eat twice and sometimes even three times as much as I do and I`m a grown man.

I took my kids out of Florida, we were living down there and my wife was a mess. She was hooked on drugs and everything else. And I took my kids out

of that -- as of that mess and moved up here to South Carolina, because I couldn`t find work in Florida. I did all of this for my kids.

I got up here, and got a job and got working, trying to take care of them and I was making $12 an hour. I was going to work. I was working hard

every day.

And it just -- it -- it`s ridiculous. You guys are just -- you`re assuming that you know everything that`s going on. And it`s simply not true.

I lived in a house where a landlord did not want to fix anything. The septic tank was backed up. My whole yard was a lake. The house was

covered in millipedes and bugs.

I bombed the house, 15 bombs in my house and it seemed to have cowered these bugs. They came out of everywhere.

And you -- everybody says that I`m living with pigs and farm animals and everything. I bought a baby pot belly pig. We had a farm, right, and I

bought a baby pot belly pig for my 3-year-old daughter. It`s a little tiny pig.

I`m sure you can get many people to call in saying they own pot belly pigs for pets.

PINSKY: Jarrod, I`m going to hold you, Jarrod. I think my panelists have some questions for you.

Karamo, go ahead

BROWN: Hey, Jarrod, I can hear you are overwhelmed, I can empathize with that. But I want to hear from you, was there any suitable relatives that

you could have possibly given the children to while you fix your circumstances? But you are talking about all these things that is not --

I`m sorry, as a father this, this is not an excuse for me.

WIGGINS: I have no relatives. I have one brother that`s up here. He`s got a very small home. I had no relatives.

I went to go try to get help and to get any kind of housing assistance. It takes up to two years to get any kind of housing assistance.

This problem in my house didn`t last -- it didn`t last for that long. It was -- it was a couple weeks of madness.

And, yes, trust me, as a father, I would have did anything to get my kids out of that situation. I just -- I pushed for an eviction that was already

in process before they came into my house, in order to save up money to get out of that place.

PINSKY: Jarrod, hold on. Loni, you were the ones a little more clement on the Wiggins situation. I wonder if you have a question for him.

COOMBS: Well, Jarrod, I understand a lot of what you`re explaining here. The one thing that really seems to stick in everybody`s mind is just the

basic cleanliness, you know, being able to sweep the floor and keep the bathtub clean.

PINSKY: And let me follow up with that, Loni, and ask it this way. Why so -- if the addiction has settled down on your wife, again, I`m going to

bring a behavior bureau in for a second to dig in deeper. But that piece always overwhelming is better, why so overwhelmed all of a sudden?

WIGGINS: Why am I so -- no, it was because of the bombs. I believe when I released the bombs in the house, it did something to the bugs with the

septic tank up underneath the house, running all backed up and everything.

PINSKY: I got to tell you, you`re not -- that does not sound -- that`s -- I see a lot of my panelists shaking my head, like, my God, get the kids out

of there any way you can.

Sam, last word.

SCHACHER: Yes, I guess just in response to him saying that they have this slumlord. I mean, do you have rights as a tenant. I hope that you called

the cops and --

WIGGINS: Oh, I -- I have told a lot of people. I took -- tried to take him to court and I don`t know really what happened, but the court didn`t

even ask the landlord any questions. He just looked at me and said, listen, you got a week to get out, that`s it didn`t listen to nothing I

have to say. Nothing.

PINSKY: All right.

WIGGINS: The landlord didn`t even have to say anything, two words. Nothing.

PINSKY: Yasmin, you look unimpressed. Am I right? Am I reading that right?

VOSSOUGHIAN: No, it`s not that I`m unimpressed. It`s more just like -- I think one always has options. And ultimately, these kids were living in

filth, Jared, and you I just wonder did you really not have an option to get your kids out?

PINSKY: Guys, we are going to have to leave it at that hold on, jarred, I will give you a chance to testimony more of your side of the story to the

behavior panel. Thank you, panel.

Later, we`re going to switch gears all together and look that this guy, the hot versus crazy guy. He will be here with us. Says he has a formula for

finding or assessing women. It has millions of views on the Internet. And he and his wife will join us.

Be right back.

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PINSKY: Police conducting a welfare check on this home say the six children in it, including a 2-year-old, were covered with insect bites and

lice. Police report that dogs and swine were found all over the house. One pig living inside. Officers say the floors saturated with urine and

that dead cockroaches floated in a bathtub.

This man and woman have been charged with six counts of child neglect.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, our behavior bureau, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, professor at Pepperdine University, Erica America,

psychotherapist, Z100 Radio personality, and Spirit, the host of the new show, "The Daily Help Line".

The father of those six children, Jarrod Wiggins, out of jail, we just spoke with him, he is joining us tonight. We will talk to him again in

just a second.

But he contests what I just said in that opening little piece.

Spirit, you have been listening to Jarrod. Do you have a reaction?

SPIRIT, THE DAILY HELP LINE: You know, it`s really difficult for me, Dr. Drew, I have to tell you, because I sympathize with what it is he is

saying. There are a lot of people in America who make up our working poor. It`s very difficult.

But by the same token, there is no excuse for the condition he and his family was living in. It just makes me wonder was he not aware of the

resources that were available to him and where really was his wife in this situation?

If he was working hard all day, every day, was she not out looking for other assistance? Why not a weekly hotel? Why not a traveler`s aid or

some local program that could help them get themselves out of these deplorable conditions?

PINSKY: Well, Jarrod is here with us. Let`s address that.

You heard what Spirit just said, Jarrod. What are your answers to those questions?

WIGGINS: Yes, my fiancee say she was at the house, taking care of the kids is a full-time job, definitely. She tried get --

SPIRIT: Jarrod, the --

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PINSKY: Spirit, go ahead. Ask that again.

WIGGINS: What`s that?

SPIRIT: Do you all not have a phone in the house?

WIGGINS: Yes, we do have a phone in the house. And the people that are always calling were telling me that there was a two-year waiting list on

getting help.

SPIRIT: OK. So, you guys --

WIGGINS: We tried.

SPIRIT: You guys couldn`t call your local authorities to say, hey, listen, I have a landlord who`s violating our rights down here, you couldn`t call

anyone to say, listen, we are living in deplorable conditions and there is no way that we could get assistance. You guys didn`t even think about

possibly a weekly extended stay hotel?

I mean, anything to be out of that situation in this last several weeks -- if that`s, in fact, the case that this is only several weeks, which is kind

of hard to believe that, looking the those conditions.

WIGGINS: No, it wasn`t several weeks. Trust me, it wasn`t. It was like a week and a half at the most. It`s as soon as I put the bombs in the house

that the bugs went crazy. And we were battling -- still battling the bugs, trying to keep them away from the kids.

And as for the bugs in the tub, the tub water was not filled with bugs 10 minutes prior to that and it wasn`t filled with bugs. If anybody knows

anything about bugs, whenever you leave any kind of water, them go to the water instantly.

PINSKY: OK. All right.

WIGGINS: It doesn`t take no time at all for them to get to the water.

PINSKY: Erica, go ahead.

ERICA AMERICA, Z100: Yes, Jarrod. You know, it is a struggle to raise a family on a limited income, so I totally will give you that. And you sound

like a smart guy, but just like Spirit said, the level of the deplorability, I just made up that word, the deplorable conditions and the

squalor were so bad that they really were just not acceptable.

I mean, once the bathroom and the tub is not working, the house is unlivable. How come you didn`t think of going to a shelter while the house

got fixed?

WIGGINS: The bathtub did work. It did work. It drained.

AMERICA: You bathed with the cockroaches?

WIGGINS: No --

AMERICA: It sounds like you have excuses for every little thing. You seem like a nice guy, but --

WIGGINS: Hold on a minute. Hold on a minute you guys don`t understand. These people came in my house and took pictures of all the wrong things.

You did not see no pictures of my kids beds, you didn`t see pictures of the kids bedrooms, there was not dog urine all over the place. There was one

little piece of poop on the floor. There was a bad bug problem.

But you guys -- these people came through and they took pictures of everything -- they didn`t take pictures of my full freezer, they didn`t

take pictures of my full chest freezer, they didn`t take pictures of the brand new beds and clean sheets and everything on the kids` beds. They

didn`t take pictures of all the good things.

They took everything to make me look like a bad guy and a bad parent. That`s all they did. I tried my -- I tried my darndest to do anything

could I for everything for my family.

And you people -- have you people ever been in this kind of situation? No, I don`t think you have been.

PINSKY: And, Jarrod --

SPIRIT: Jarrod, let me tell you --

PINSKY: Hang on a second.

SPIRIT: You don`t know.

PINSKY: But listen --

WIGGINS: I don`t know? No.

PINSKY: Jarrod, how are your kids now? You are away from your kids. They are in custody, is that right?

WIGGINS: My kids are a mess. They are a mess right now. The last time my fiancee seen them, my one twin sit there is, hands in his head and his hand

holding his head. He doesn`t really even talk.

They don`t -- they are not talking. My oldest son is pale white. He don`t -- the girls were screaming bloody murder when she went to go leave them.

We are not bad parents.

PINSKY: Jarrod, let me ask this, now, listen, I know I`m being argumentative when I ask this, but I think people on social media are

asking this question -- why so many kids, if you couldn`t manage them, why so many?

WIGGINS: I could manage them. It`s not the point of not being able to manage them. It was in a bad situation. It was the house -- the house we

were living in was a shambles. And we were already in the process of getting out of that house.

PINSKY: And then, finally, I haven`t heard from Judy. And I`m going to give you and Sam, we got to go quick, guys.

But, Judy, my concern is this whole arc is, I just knew addiction was involved in this somewhere, that the -- Jarrod becoming so overwhelmed,

maybe with his wife`s condition perhaps, maybe not properly managed. You know, things can get bad fast.

JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Right. And the poor decision making skills, Dr. Drew. So, not even mentioning the fact that they had so many

kids. But why did they decide to bring all of these animals into the picture, if they already were living in a house that had pre-existing

problems?

PINSKY: Judy, I think he has an answer for that he said he was trying to get his kids out of the video game habit.

HO: I understand his answer but there are other answers for that as well.

PINSKY: Yes. OK. Judy, I got to move.

Sam, last thought here, I`m sorry.

SCHACHER: Yes, no, that`s fine. Jarrod, looking back now, would there be anything you would do differently?

WIGGINS: Yes. I would have never moved into that house.

PINSKY: Yes.

WIGGINS: It was -- in the time, it was a cheap, affordable house and the landlord was filled with promises when I moved in. And is it seemed like

everything was going to work. We had our farm going. And all the animals, they stayed outside. They weren`t in the house.

It`s not -- I sent you guys pictures saying showing the pence and everything that were outside.

PINSKY: We have that. We have that.

WIGGINS: The kids were not living with the animals.

PINSKY: Well, here`s --

WIGGINS: That is simply ridiculous.

PINSKY: Jarrod, here`s the deal. I have got to move on. I hope you feel like you`ve had a chance to give your perspective on all this. I hope your

family is reunited, nothing is more important than that. I hope your wife`s -- we haven`t really dug into what happened with your poor wife in

Florida and how her condition is, whether her recovery is going well.

But, please, (INAUDIBLE) for you, 12 step for her, your kids need nothing more than parents that are well. That`s the most important thing here. I

do hope you find your way out of this.

Next up, our most tweeted story of the night. Police say a man hid -- another -- this story is unbelievable, hid the corpse of his dead son for

four days until the smell became too much.

And later, the viral video that has this man taking a lot of heat from the Internet and from women. Sam couldn`t hold her tongue on Twitter. You

hear about that.

He and his wife are here and we`ll be right back.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kimberly Tutco (ph) says she thought it was a dead mouse festering in her family`s Harrisburg home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When the odor of decomposition became too strong, the boy`s father, Jarrod Tutco, Sr. (ph) told his wife that their son was dead.

Eight-year-old Jarrod Tutco, Jr., this is his baby photo, had been dead for several days. The boy suffered from severe mental disabilities and his

mother explained she was busy caring for a daughter. Jarrod Tutco, Sr., is now facing a number of charges.

Knew the boy was dead inside the home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He did say, you know, that he was scared. He was scared to report at the brought his body down and it was in a sheet and

when you opened it up, I can tell that it was longer than a few hours. That`s when he turned to me and he said, no, Junior had -- Junior`s dead.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Yasmin, Karamo and Loni.

And now for the story you have been tweeting about the most, an 8-year-old disabled boy dead in his own home. He had been there for at least three

days before the parents called the police. Boy`s mom actually invited TV cameras into the home to show the room there it is, both before and after

they pulled up the carpet. You see the mop is still there from them cleaning the place up. It appears to be from before the news crew arrived,

the one on the before picture.

Karamo, your thoughts on what has gone on in this household?

BROWN: What is going on in this household is that these parents are checked out and are despicable.

I work in social services daily and I see this, where parents, like this mother, have checked out. The fact that a mother would not check on her

child, whether it`s one day, two days, three days, is just ridiculous and sad.

PINSKY: Karamo, I`ve got --

SCHACHER: Try for years.

PINSKY: Yes, that`s some data for you. Thank you, Sam.

The mother says she has only seen the son once in the last four years, in spite of living in the same house.

BROWN: Ridiculous!

PINSKY: Go ahead. Somebody, Loni, was that you?

SCHACHER: Well, yes. Look --

COOMBS: Go ahead. Go ahead, Sam.

SCHACHER: Oh, no, go ahead. OK. I love this.

OK. So I think what`s really off and not okay is the fact that the mother was caring for this -- their daughter, who was severely disabled, in a

vegetative state.

PINSKY: So, Sam, let`s set the stage here. There are, what, six kids in the house, is that right?

SCHACHER: I believe that there were seven, seven children, one upstairs on the third floor with the mother, six, I`m sorry, six.

PINSKY: Six kids and the one is severely, what, brain --

SCHACHER: In a vegetative state, with a feeding tube.

PINSKY: She has continuous care needs and the mom does that.

SCHACHER: It`s there on the third floor. Now, the second floor, the father is taking care of this 8-year-old boy, who is also severely disabled

mentally, and is taking care of him around the clock. Who is taking care of the other four children?

Obviously, there`s going to be some negligence here. The children are suffering and I think that there is just a weird dynamic all together if

the mother has not seen this child in four years.

PINSKY: And, then, Loni, the really disturbing thing is a dead child in the house who sits there for three years until the father cannot ignore it.

SCHACHER: Right.

LONI COOMBS, LEGAL COMMENTATOR: Right. Well, here is another disturbing thing, Dr. Drew. The county child services are actually involved with

this family and it come before a year ago for a potential abuse report; but, apparently, according to the mother, actually was there in the house

Thursday.

Remember, according to the father, the son died earlier and was still in the house dead upstairs when the child services person came in to talk to

the mother about another child who she said was developing -- progressing so much in their mental illness. So, she was asking for help for that

other child, did not know at the time that her son was already dead upstairs.

PINSKY: Yasmin, your thought?

YASMIN VOSSOUGHIAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I do not even understand how a mom cannot see her child for years. I mean, do not you ask, "Hey,

did he eat? Did he eat breakfast? How is he doing? Is he smiling today?"

I mean, for -- he has this kid who had autism and Fragile X Syndrome. I looked into Fragile X Syndrome and correct me if I am wrong, Dr. Drew, but

it is an extension of autism?

PINSKY: It is sort of a subset --

VOSSOUGHIAN: Basically, a more severe autism, I think.

PINSKY: -- it is a subset, but it does not -- it is not as though people with Fragile X need to be put in a room and not seen for year upon year.

SCHACHER: And, your child is downstairs, not across the country. I mean really?

PINSKY: It is not that kind of a syndrome, at least not typically -- but listen, on the phone, I have got Randolph Beasley. He is a forensic

expert. He is President of the Seekfirst Forensic Consulting. Randolph, you have -- I guess you have dealt with a similar case. Can you tell us

about that?

RANDOLPH BEASLEY, FORENSIC EXPERT/PRESIDENT OF THE SEEKFIRST FORENSIC CONSULTING: Yes. I had, Dr. Drew, a case where we investigated a missing

-- and we went to the home, we found blood specimen in the closet. So, the toddler -- we have signs that the child may have been beaten.

In that process, we investigated the closet, ended up happening again. Three days later, they found -- because of the odor, because of the body

purging and having the odor of decomposing body, we were called back to the crime scene. The child`s body was in the ottoman, which was in the living

room where we sat as we investigated this crime thing.

PINSKY: Oh, my God. So, bet we had a terrible phone connection here, but what he said was I believe that the child was stuffed into an ottoman that

they had been sitting on to do the investigation--

SCHACHER: Oh, my Gosh.

PINSKY: Yasmin, you want to react?

VOSSOUGHIAN: Well, I think there is something else going on here, and I like to find out more about whether or not what their health care program`s

were. Because, ultimately, they had two severely ill children in this home and they obviously did not have the infrastructure to be able to handle

these two children and to be able to take care of them. So, if they are also -- is there in addition to the fact that these are pure bad parents

that there was no infrastructure and no system --

PINSKY: Well, let`s get to our social worker. Karamo, what say you?

KARAMO BROWN, TELEVISION HOST: Yes. Well, they definitely are bad parents, let`s keep that straight.

PINSKY: Yes.

BROWN: But, I also want to talk about what is going on with these other kids, because I worry about their development as they deal with this

trauma.

PINSKY: Yes.

BROWN: Because those children were in this house and knew that their brother or sister -- I cannot remember the sex of the child right now,

excuse me, was upstairs dead --

PINSKY: Boy.

BROWN: -- boy. And, the parents did nothing about that how does that affect you mentally as you are trying to grow and develop as a young

person?

PINSKY: Well, remind ourselves that these are the parents that thought it was OK to leave the kid there for three days, just that in itself is enough

to do damage to kids and their development. All right. Bring the Behavior Bureau right in here.

And, later, completely different topic, what do redhead strippers and women named Tiffany have in common? This man says, "Well, they are fun zone but

they are not wife material." You get it. He is going to defend all this. Our panel is going to have at them after this.

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KIMBERLY TUTKO, WIFE OF JARROD TUTKO: He brought his body down and it was in a sheet. And, when he opened it up, I can tell that it was longer than

a few hours. That is when he had turned to me and he said, "No, junior had -- junior is dead."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam and the Behavior Bureau, Judy, Erica and Spirit. 8-year-old boy apparently dead for days, covered in filth. Police say the

father knew he was dead but did not report it until the smell of the decomposing body betrayed the secret.

The wife did not know. The wife had not seen the child for something like four years. She had seen him once in four years. And, Spirit, the boy`s

father said he was a fearful of reporting the child`s death because he had other children. How do we make sense of this?

SPIRIT CLANTON, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: I am sorry. You keep -- and with all due respect, I hear mother, father, these are not parents at this point.

These are monsters. I cannot believe that they could even think to do something like this to their child. And, especially in this day and age,

Dr. Drew, when we know more about autism than we ever have before. Who is to say that because your child is autistic you lock them in a room and you

throw away the kid?

PINSKY: No, right. That is right.

CLANTON: Are you kidding me?

PINSKY: And, listen, I was watching something online, where a woman who represents sort of an organization that is trying to help kids with Fragile

X Syndrome, fearful that people are going to think about that syndrome as requiring this sort of imprisonment. Judy, you are nodding your head.

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely not. Well, dr. Drew this is really upsetting to me because of the fact that like Spirit said,

we have a lot of resources now and understanding about how to deal with special needs kids, yet the problem persist.

Special needs children are the most at risk for abuse, for neglect and even attempted murder. I am not saying that is what the dad did in this case.

However, he obviously did not know what was doing neither did the mom for them to think that they have to do 24/7 imprisonment of their children,

caring for them so they cannot even go upstairs to look at their other child. I mean, where does that kind of information come from?

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: Did these parents even try to reach out at any point for resources, because there is a lot.

PINSKY: Samantha?

SCHACHER: Yes. And, it does look suspicious. It looks really suspicious when somebody like this father is hiding the death. You do not hide

something unless you are guilty or you are ashamed. So, it is not helping him at all by keeping this secret.

PINSKY: Right. It is hard, Erica to make sense of why he would do that. Also, the mom seems to show no emotion when she talks the press. Erica,

her son just died.

ERICA AMERICA, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right. Yes. Well, first, I wanted to say kids -- parents of special needs children have an unimaginable burden.

But, that is not the case here. This seems like a very fractured family like you were saying Dr. Drew. The mom did not see the child for four

years --

PINSKY: Well, Erica -- Erica, there were two special needs kids, maybe you did not catch that piece of this.

AMERICA: Yes.

PINSKY: One daughter was vegetative. Had 24-hour care needs by the mom and the dad was taking care of the kid with Fragile X --

CLANTON: No excuse.

PINSKY: And, we do not know who was taking care of the other kids.

SCHACHER: And, the other kids supposedly have disabilities.

PINSKY: Erica?

AMERICA: Yes. OK. So, what I am seeing here is that this family did not reach out for help, for the social services that were available. So, what

we need to look at is when there is a family whose parents do not, for example, the other night, talked about the parents who locked their two

kids in the basement at night. The house of squalor that we just talked about before this. Family and friends need to reach out and say are you

using all the services available, because it does not seem like the parents are the ones that are asking for that.

PINSKY: Yes. I think that is right. Spirit, that was your point to the family that was living in those horrible circumstances as well. This is a

theme tonight.

CLANTON: Absolutely. But even with this situation, if your child dies, if you walk into a room and see your dead child, you are in autopilot mode

at that point. You are not thinking might I get in trouble? You are reaching for a phone. You are screaming at the top of your lungs. You are

trying to do anything you can to get your percent child help. I just do not believe it. I do not believe it.

PINSKY: Or, Judy -- Or not that, "Oh, I do not want the other kids to find out, let`s just think about it for a couple of days." It is

incredible.

HO: That is not what a normal mind thinks, Dr. Drew. This is not the way normal minds work. So, there is something really wrong with this or my

biggest fear is that this parent as well as the parents from the house of filth is that they just do not really even believe they even need help.

I mean we heard that from the dad. He said I cannot handle these kids. Well, maybe these parents thought they were handling these kids just fine.

And, that is why they are not reaching out for resources and now it resulted in a dead child.

PINSKY: Samantha, last thought.

SCHACHER: Yes. My only real great concern, Dr. Drew, is because I saw that they have not documented that almost all of the children have

disabilities. So are they somehow cashing in on some of these kids` disabilities?

PINSKY: Oh.

CLANTON: Stop having children.

SCHACHER: That is what Danine mentioned with the other story.

PINSKY: Yes, you know, Spirit -- Spirit said it. That is it. It screwed up -- people having screwed up kids. It is just the parents are the source

of all the trouble. Spirit, say it again.

CLANTON: Stop having children.

HO: Thank you.

CLANTON: Stop.

SCHACHER: Please.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, we are going to do something a little lighter, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, panel. We are going to talk to

the creator of a controversial method for assessing women. Social media is barking back at this guy. Sam had him a little bit. Samantha reacted and

he reacted back. So, we invited him on with his wife. More after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DANA MCLENDON, CREATOR OF CRAZY MATRIX: This is the universal hot/crazy matrix that is everything a young man needs to know about women. Crazy is

measured from 4 to 10 because, of course, there is no such thing as a woman who is not at least a 4 crazy.

We do not hang around and date and marry women who are not at least, in our mind, a 5. So, this is your no-go zone. You do not go here. Below a 5

crazy and above an 8 hot, this is your unicorn zone. These things do not exist.

SCHACHER: This dude is a [EXPLICIT WORD], straight up. He is a misogynistic pig, like where on the graph is personality, character,

integrity? I mean, this guy really pisses me off.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, who got a response from that guy on Twitter. And, I will show you the response in a second. You calmed down a little bit, Sam

or you still just worked up?

SCHACHER: I mean, Dr. Drew, that was my initial response. I did not know if he was kidding. I am sorry. Sexism is alive and well, just read the

comments underneath any YouTube video and if he is kidding and making fun of these principles, then joke is on me. I am sorry. And, if he is not, I

stand by my comments.

PINSKY: All right. Let`s bring Erica and Spirit back, and joining us, Danielle Robay, television host. He says he has got a foolproof formula

for a female assessment. Here is the message he sent to Sam. I want to show it now. "Have a great day, signed a, quote, "Straight up misogynistic

D-word" that Sam said on the television. Go ahead, Sam. How did you react to that?

SCHACHER: I favor it had, because I thought he was having a sense of humor with me at least I hope he was. So, again, I felt like, shoot, this

guy was kidding and I apologize. But, if he is not, I am sorry, Dr. Drew, I do not think that people should rate a woman`s mateability on her

physical appearance.

PINSKY: So, Erica, she is saying not funny. A lot of women responded, I was kind of surprised.

AMERICA: Yes. I mean this has to be a joke, because if it is not, then it really makes guys look bad, because if you are looking at just straight

up looks and craziness --

PINSKY: That is easy to make guys look bad.

AMERICA: So, that would be like making one for men and having it be power and penis size. It is something like that. A stereotype. It is making

fun of a stereotype. Of course, people, I would hope that guys look for more things like personality --

PINSKY: Well, let me bring him in.

AMERICA: So, hopefully, this guy knows it is a joke.

PINSKY: All right. The people thought he was, you know, some sort of loser perhaps, but that is not the case. He is actually divorce attorney.

He is married with kids. His wife actually tweeted me with the real story. Here is her tweet. She says, "Dr. Drew, I have been married to the guy in

the video for 22 years. The video is funny, not to be taken seriously. I am, of course a unicorn, just joking."

So, joining me on the phone is the wife of this gentleman, the creator of the hot/crazy matrix, Amy McLendon. Amy, thank you for joining us. You

are actually the one I wanted to talk to. We will talk to your husband, but you are actually who I am interested in. How do you feel about this?

AMY MCLENDON, WIFE OF THE CREATOR OF THE HOT/CRAZY MATRIX: Well, his new name is dick after Sam --

PINSKY: Thank you, Sam.

MCLENDON: It is just a joke. It is a complete joke.

PINSKY: And, so let me let the panel have that a little bit, Amy. So, Spirit, funny or not funny?

MCLENDON: Funny --

CLANTON: You know, usually I am the one that goes hard, but this was hilarious to me. I am sorry. Sam, do not call him that again.

SCHACHER: I did not know if it was a joke or not.

PINSKY: And, sometimes jokes are funny -- go ahead, Spirit.

SCHACHER: Well, can I just defend myself really quick?

CLANTON: As a statistician and a person who deals with relationships all the time, the fact of the matter is that most men are visually oriented.

PINSKY: Yes.

CLANTON: They see a woman and they go by what they like first. Crazy equals fun in many men`s mind. This is common, but it is hilarious the way

that he did it with scientific purpose. And, I will just say, mine put a ring on it and he does call me his unicorn.

PINSKY: Danielle, what say you, just say it.

DANIELLE ROBAY, TELEVISION HOST: I mean, I am completely split with this because a part of me thinks, "OK this is completely misogynistic." It

speaks to the power dynamic about -- of men and women in America and the other part of me thinks a lot of stereotypes and funny things are rooted in

a little bit of truth and he gets a lot of funny things right.

PINSKY: Well, Dana, you are here, right? You are with us?

DANA MCLENDON: I am here.

PINSKY: OK. I want to talk to you after the break. I also want to hear from one of my panelists and Amy, who both have their own ideas about how

men should be assessed, after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DANA MCLENDON: That is your fun zone. But, keep in mind, when you are in the fun zone, you want to move out of the fun zone to a more permanent

location. You can stay in the date zone indefinitely. These are women that you introduce to your friends and your family. They are good looking

and they are reasonably not crazy most of the time.

The danger zone. This is your redheads, your strippers, anyone named Tiffany. Above an 8 hot and between about a 7 and a 5 crazy, this is your

wife zone. Below a 5 crazy and above an 8 hot, this your unicorn zone. These things do not exist.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Erica, Spirit and Danielle. And, on the phone, there himself, Dana Mclendon, the gentleman you saw there. So, my question

to you, Dana, do you think perhaps your job as a divorce attorney has jaded your opinion of relationships perhaps?

DANA MCLENDON: Most definitely.

PINSKY: OK. Maybe that is where some of this came from. And, yet, Amy, your unicorn, was OK with this. She went along with the joke.

AMY MCLENDON: She has tolerated my idiocy for 30 years.

PINSKY: Samantha, not so much.

SCHACHER: OK. Wait a second. Let me just get this clear and then we can determine where I fall in this. So Dana, you were just playing a role of a

misogynist dick, right? You can say that, am I right? You do not really stand for this?

DANA MCLENDON: The joke -- the video was done entirely as parody and a comedic sketch.

SCHACHER: OK, then I apologize. Then I apologize. 100 percent.

CLANTON: Sam, I am going to tell you -- I am going to tell you why he believes this. He believes this because as a divorce attorney, what

happens is he has all these men who marry these beautiful, hot women and then they go into the office and they go, "I did not know she was crazy

when I married her, though. I did not know she was crazy."

PINSKY: Yes.

CLANTON: That is what happens.

PINSKY: And, Amy, I understand you had your own sort of axis for evaluating men. Is that true?

AMY MCLENDON: Um, not --

ROBAY: You know, Dr. Drew, I do.

PINSKY: Danielle, you do? I thought, Amy, had one too. But, Danielle, let`s see yours.

ROBAY: Dr. Drew, I actually thought this warranted a chart on the other way. So, here is the no-go zone for me and Dana is even off the charts,

OK? Anybody who makes this chart is off the chart. And, I think that he is about 30 years late to the party, because my brother has been talking about

this since he was 16.

PINSKY: Now, what is on your X axis there? How you are assessing men? Your -- lots of qualitative information down there, right?

ROBAY: Well, women are web thinkers, so I had a few more qualitative categories. I have wealth, hotness, intelligence, ego and humor.

PINSKY: Humor. Spirit, you are laughing at this.

CLANTON: I am laughing, wealth was right there on the top. See, everybody has their thing.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Yes.

CLANTON: I mean let`s just be real. Everybody does. Hotness and not crazy, I do not disagree.

PINSKY: Erica?

AMERICA: Yes. I just think it is funny there is a sliver of truth, Spirit, exactly what you are saying, but at the same thing oversimplified

to the point where women obviously look for so much more in a man and I give credit to men that they are not just looking for how crazy can they

tolerate a good looking women -- woman, that is what he is saying by that. That, that is the main thing you are looking for. Sam that is why you are

getting that feeling about it not being right, because it does play on something that is not -- that does not sound too great, but I think it is a

joke.

SCHACHER: Yes. If it is parody, again. It is parody, guys.

PINSKY: Well, but, sometimes parody is still not funny. You know what I mean? It can really be problematic. Funny can offend and that is

sometimes good for us. But Dana, you actually got 500 new friend from Facebook from women, right?

DANA MCLENDON: Well, not -- not all women, but a lot. I have had -- I have had dozens, maybe hundreds of Facebook friends requests and a lot of

them have been from women. I do not know whether they are friending me to yell at me or whether they are friending me because they thought the video

was funny, but I just -

PINSKY: Well, Dana, just tell your wife, Amy, thank you for joining us and for putting up your nonsense all this years. Thank you, Panel.

CLANTON: I will evaluate him.

PINSKY: DVRs, you can then watch us anytime. Forensic Files is up next and it begins right now.

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