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BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Raising the alert while battling to lower the risk. UK prime minister David Cameron tells parliament how he plans to

tackle terrorism. We'll examine why those plans could be problematic.

Also ahead, the scale of the crisis Jihadis are causing. More than 1,400 people lost their lives to violence during August in Iraq alone.

We'll take you there live to consider the outlook.

And it may look like a pool party, but this video shows just how far into anarchy Libya's capital has slipped as militia take control.

ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.

ANDERSON: A very good evening. It is 7:00 in the UAE.

In the UK, British Prime Minister David Cameron has just announced new anti-terror measures to stem the flow of British jihadists traveling to and

from Syria and Iraq, he says. This includes giving police temporary powers to seize passports if someone is suspected of trying to travel to support


Well, Britain under pressure to keep their citizens from fighting abroad and from bringing terror back home. Last Friday, Britain raised its

terror threat to severe, meaning an attack is considered highly likely.

We'll discuss this further. CNN's London correspondent Max Foster joining us live from outside the houses of parliament.

Much more on this.

And what cooperation with other countries, sharing information on airline passengers, that sort of stuff sounds perfectly acceptable in what

are an easy times, Max, stripping Britons of their citizenship, rendering them stateless by stripping them of their passports, however unsavory they

are, may sound like extraordinarily draconian act. So how did the prime minister explain the rationale for this?

MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, really he's saying there's a threat to Britain and the way to deal with it is by restricting

the movement of people that they suspect to be jihadis with British passports. So it's all about movement.

So if there's someone within the UK they suspect, they are going to bring back a form of control orders, which allows them to be restricted to

a certain area whether in their home or they're not allowed to move to other areas. They're going to be restricted in their movement within the


If they want to leave the UK, if they haven't had their passports stripped already, the police will be able to take it away from them at the

border. That hasn't been allowed before.

So, if police at the border, at the airport, suspect that this person is a jihadi, they can take that passport away.

If they're returning to the UK, perhaps from Syria or Iraq, then they will have their passport taken away as well, effectively meaning that they

can't come back into the country, temporary or not, there has to be some detail to be thrashed out here. But that's an extraordinary move. And

you're eluding it to there, because if you take someone's passport away, and they've only got one passport, they are rendered stateless. So that

breaks international law.

I know that David Cameron has been locked in discussions over the weekend with lawyers. And he would have made sure that he can get this

through the courts, because the courts have blocked him so many times in the past. And there was constant mention of temporary measures suggesting

emergency measures, which may be his get out on this one, suggesting this isn't a permanent change, it's temporary, therefore in terms of

international law it could stand.

ANDERSON: I know that there's something like -- I'm thinking about cohort here, the scope of the pot as it were of people that they are

considering may come under these control orders. What are we talking about 500 Britons who may have gone to Iraq and Syria, some say 250 have

returned. Some fear that those who have returned may be planning something in the UK.

These are, I think as Prime Minister David Cameron pointed out, extraordinary times in the UK. Some people will consider this a knee jerk


FOSTER: He's saying that I don't want it to be a knee-jerk reaction. And I think inevitably on these sorts of things, they are knee-jerk

reactions, though a threat level was increased in the UK on Friday. He's got to find some sort of response to that.

The great challenge he's got is the discussion going on behind me is liberty versus security. And in this country, there's a great tradition of

civil liberty and he's in coalition with the Liberal Democrats who take that very seriously as well. So he's having to balance the two, which is

why this constant reference to temporary measures is being brought in all the time. He's also got the legal problems here as well.

But there is a sense in the UK that something needs to be done at this point. So I think he's trying to take baby steps towards a change, see if

he gets support and then he can take stronger change. It's about taking the country along with him.

See in the past, when he's tried to be too bold, for example military action in Syria, he hasn't had the support behind him. He's been too

quick. He's learned from that, he's trying to take things more slowly this time.

ANDERSON: Interesting. All right, Max, thank you for that.

Well, this is what David Cameron is concerned about, the fight against ISIS in Iraq producing some devastating statistics. The United Nations

says more than 1,400 lives were lost last month alone, that is on top of the hundreds of thousands who have fled their homes because of the ongoing


The UN Human Rights Council is now debating the need for an emergency mission to Iraq, investigating alleged atrocities committed by Islamic

militants as well as by government forces.

Anna Coren joins us live from the northern Iraqi city of Irbil.

These numbers really speak for themselves, don't they. You've been on the ground there for, what, a month or so now, and this continual drip feed

of bad news, of deadly news, of deadly violence, of beheadings, is absolutely dreadful. What's going on as we speak?

ANNA COREN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, look, certainly behind the scenes, Kurdish forces here in northern Iraq are waiting, I

guess, for a strategy from President Obama. They need the United States to really help in this crisis. They know that they can't do it alone.

We have seen the partnership between the Kurds and behind the Iraqis and for the particular missions they have been successful. Take Amerli

over the weekend in which the Iraqis worked with the Americans to break that siege, that two-month siege. Take Mosul dam, which the Iraqis worked

with the Kurdish forces to liberate the dam, retake that.

But it is one of those things, Becky, where it really will take a country like the United States to coordinate efforts, because at the moment

you've got the Kurdish forces and the Iraqi forces operating very separately. So this is the problem moving forward.

But you talk about those atrocities, I mean they are happening on a daily basis. I mean, last week, something that really sickens people here,

and they struggled to talk about, is the capture of those Peshmerga forces. And ISIS showing that video of one of those soldiers being beheaded in

Mosul outside of that mosque.

You talk about the UN human rights commission wanting to hold this emergency meeting to debate whether or not to then have people on the

ground investigating whether or not what's been going on here, you know, warrants human rights. Well, we know it does. Everyone knows it does. I

mean, why they need to debate it is beyond people here. They say that these atrocities are happening every day, there is ethnic cleansing going

on every day. And what it needs is a coordinated approach really to tackle this problem, tackle ISIS head on, because they can go after ISIS in

Amerli, which is a small, remote township and out in the open on the plains, those U.S. airstrikes are extremely effective. When this then

focuses on those strongholds, those city strongholds of ISIS like Mosul, like Tikrit, like Fallujah, that is a completely different ballgame and

authorities know that.

We are talking about urban warfare.

Well, then you need very well equipped, skilled forces to take on ISIS who, as we know, are organized, sophisticated, well resourced, they have

American weapons. So this is what we are dealing with at the moment here, Becky.

ANDERSON: Fascinating. All right, Anna, thank you for that.

The very latest on the ground in Iraq.

Well, Britain has harsh words for Israel on its plan to annex more land in the West Bank. The foreign secretary says the UK deplores the

Israeli government's expropriation of four square kilometers of land near Bethlehem. He went on to say that the settlements present an obstacle to

peace and that all efforts should be focused on securing a durable cease- fire in Gaza.

Remember, the parties have promised to go back to the table in Cairo in less than a month's time.

The U.S. also urging Israel to reverse the decision.

Ben Wedeman following the developments from Jerusalem joining us now. And Ben, you could argue that it's the Israeli Palestinian conflict that

provides the oxygen for militant Muslim jihadists, the likes of which we are seeing with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, for example. What sort of impact

will a decision like this by the Israelis have?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it could have a very negative impact on the moderates in this case, keeping in mind, of

course, that the West Bank is in theory under the control of Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian authority based in Ramallah.

Now many people are pointing out that Hamas, which waged with Israel a war for 50 days is getting perhaps some small concessions from Israel, but

in this case it's Mahmoud Abbas who has to explain to his people why Israel is appropriating -- now Israel says it has merely declared these

approximately 1,000 acres, quote, state lands -- now Mahmoud Abbas has to explain to his people why this is the fruit of his non-violence, his

insistence on following a diplomatic track with Israel.

So it's very embarrassing for the Palestinian Authority that Benjamin Netanyahu seems to want to go ahead with this decision to annex more land.

It's important to point out, however, that he does not have the unanimous support of his own cabinet. Several senior ministers have

suggested this is not a very good idea at this very sensitive time -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Ben, were you surprised to hear what the UK said about this decision today, and indeed the U.S.? I mean, the UK using pretty strong

language. They deplore this decision and the U.S. saying that this was a decision that they hoped would be reversed.

What is the rationale for this?

WEDEMAN: Well, the reason behind this decision, according to an Israeli official I spoke to, is that this is one of the moves the Israeli

cabinet decided to take after the discovery of the bodies of those three Israeli teenagers who were kidnapped on the 12th of June and subsequently

murdered, that this in a sense is punishment for that kidnapping.

But the problem is, of course, that Israel has yet to find their killers and has yet to hold a trial, but nonetheless is carrying out in a

sense this sentence for that.

And we were in one of the valleys where this decision will take effect, speaking to the farmers and they said we have nothing to do with

it, why is Israel going to take our land away from it?

So, it's perplexing to many, not just Palestinians, but also Israelis as well, one Israeli human rights activist we spoke to today called it a

crazy idea, that it's essentially collective punishment not only on Palestinians, but on Israelis as well, because it's going to make it even

more difficult to reach some sort of negotiated settlement and the creation of two states, a Palestinian state and an Israeli state -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Ben Wedeman for you in Jerusalem. Ben, thank you.

Still to come tonight, three Americans being held in North Korea send a personal message to their families and to the U.S. government as they

talk to CNN.

And fighting terrorism, the UK announcing new measures to combat the growing danger on home soil, but what's the other side of this story?

We're going to have more on that up next. Taking a very short break. Back after this.


ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back.

British Prime Minister David Cameron has unveiled new anti-terror measures in the past half hour to stem the flow of British jihadists

traveling to and from Syria and Iraq.

Now these include stripping suspected jihadists of their passports and giving British authorities new powers to track suspected supporters of


Well, last Friday Britain raised its terror threat to severe, meaning an attack is considered highly likely.

Well, the UK government coming under pressure on how to handle the homegrown terrorism threat, I'm joined by Kat Craig, legal director at

Reprieve, a group that provides legal support to prisoners. It tracks human rights violations that arise out of the war on terror. And I know

Reprieve, Cat, has been involved in the past in the case of one Londoner made stateless while he was away from home in Somalia.

So what do you make of today's announcement by the prime minister?

KAT CRAIG, LAWYER WITH REPRIEVE: Well, David Cameron's announcements were pretty vague. And so it will remain to be seen what exactly the

details will reveal, but he did make reference to TPIMs (ph) and he did make reference to deprivation of citizenship, those are measures that are

already on the table. And they have been heavily criticized.

One of the concerns that has been raised in that context is that we're placing a huge amount of reliance on the judgment of one single politician,

in this case the home secretary Teresa May, to exercise her judgment on whether someone should be deprived of their citizenship.

ANDERSON: All right.

There have been 37 cases since 2010 of the termination of British citizenship for dual nationality individuals. So to a certain extent we

could say that there isn't an awful lot new in what the government is -- what the government is announcing today.

Just explain for our viewers the background to the case of the London man that your organization has worked on behalf of in the past?

CRAIG: Well, Madi Hashi (ph) is a young man of Somali origin, what a British citizen. He was working as a care worker in North London and he

went to Somalia to visit his family. And whilst he was away, his citizenship was taken away from him, because he was out of the country he

didn't receive notification within the usual time period. And it was very difficulty for him to refute it.

When he did try to refute the deprivation of his citizenship he had to leave Somalia. There's no British embassy there. And he was then picked

up by the U.S., by American forces. He was severely mistreated and he was rendered illegally kidnapped to the U.S. where he now faces trial on

evidence that we believe to be obtained under torture.

So, the implications of having your citizenship stripped can be very severe. And what David Cameron yet again failed to address today is why we

are taking such a big step away from traditional British justice if there are concerns about someone, whether it be someone in the UK or returning

from the UK why can't we rely on traditional justice system and in those circumstances charge them and try them.

ANDERSON: Right, OK. Well, let me put this to you. He would say, the British prime minister would say, and so would many, many other supporters

of what he's doing, that these are extraordinary times, which the government says calls for extraordinary powers.

Is it clear whether the announcement today goes any further, for example, to be used with individuals who have no dual-nationality, and that

will be the case, for example, for many British men and women who are third generation British Muslims, that will effectively render them stateless.

That could be a problem.

Certainly, in their defense, the government will say, we didn't have enough. We've got to do more.

CRAIG: Well, the powers as they stand allow the government to take someone's citizenship away if they are a naturalized Britain, even if that

means that they are left stateless. And I completely understand that these are difficult times. There are very tragic events going on all over the

world. But we've heard not just from human rights groups, but from people such as the former attorney general, conservative attorney general Dominic

Greaves that there may be people returning from Syria who are completely innocent.

The former chief of counterterrorism at MI5 and MI6 has said that it may well be counterproductive to prevent people from being able to return

from Syria.

So there are -- these are difficult times and we have powers in place at the moment, but the real concern is that there's been no justification

given to depart from the usual British justice system, particularly in circumstances where we have members of the establishment quite clearly

saying that there are concerns about the counterproductivity about the measures that are being proposed.

ANDERSON: Wit that, we're going to leave it there. We could talk long on this. I'm afraid we haven't got the time to day. But we'll have

you back, because this is going to be an ongoing discussion, I fear.

Kat Craig from Reprieve, thank you for that.

Our website has got a fascinating look at foreign jihadis in Syria. It shows where they are coming from and how many people from each country

are making the journey.

Let's look first at the absolute numbers, Tunisia topping that list with an estimated 3,000 going to Syria, Saudi Arabia and Morocco follow;

France and Russia round out the top five.

But here's something you might not have expected, when it comes to the countries with the greatest percentage of Muslims who have gone to fight,

Finland leads the way. It's followed by Ireland, Australia, Denmark and Belgium. See the numbers for yourself at

Live from Abu Dhabi, it is 21 minutes past 7:00 here. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson.

Coming up, out of control but very much in charge, Libyan militia members set down their weapons to party hardy at a U.S. embassy compound.

And U.S. prisoners held in North Korea talk about their health, their treatment and their pleas for help in securing their freedom. That up



ANDERSON: We're going to get you a remarkable report out of North Korea today, an interview with all three Americans being held in the

country -- Jeffrey Fowle, Kenneth Bae, a name you will be familiar with, and Matthew Miller sat down with CNN's Will Ripley at a hotel in Pyongyang.

As you might expect, the government controlled the interview, limiting the time with each man to five minutes and keeping them all separated in

different rooms.

The spoke about their relatively good health and the conditions of their imprisonment, but mostly they called on the U.S. government to do

more to get them out.

Well, Bae is serving a 15 year prison sentence -- you see him here in the middle --for, quote, hostile acts to bring down the government.


KENNETH BAE, AMERICAN DETAINED IN NORTH KOREA: My health is failing. And I've been -- since the last time I transferred back from the hospital

to the camp I lost already 15 pounds or more. And it has been very difficult to stay in the camp right now. So I do ask the U.S. governments

and the people out there to really put effort to send somebody to make it work.


ANDERSON: We should note that CNN was unable to determine the conditions under which those men were being held. It is, though, rare,

very rare for western journalists to be invited into North Korea at all.

Our Will Ripley has been there to cover what was a professional wrestling tournament in Pyongyang. If you were watching the show last

night you'd have seen that.

Despite the tightly controlled tour, he did get a glimpse of what life is really like in what is an extremely reclusive nation. His report for



WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For the first time since arriving in North Korea, our government guided bus strays from the regular route.

We're not allowed to stop, we can only look out the window. Fields full of people tending crops by hand, others working at construction sites. The

few public buses packed, most have to walk.

Our bus takes us here, a brand new equestrian center.

This is another pet project of Kim Jong un. And we're told that anybody can come here and ride these horses if they can pay the equivalent

of 10 U.S. dollars an hour.

Most North Koreans are lucky to earn that much in a week.

"I feel privileged to ride a horse," this girl says.

And she is. We only see a handful of people here.

Our next stop the government wants us to see a park outside Pyongyang full of scaled down versions of the capital city's monuments and

architectural treasures built at great expense and within sight of the even more expensive originals.

You can actually see the real monuments there off in the distance in Pyongyang.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 150 meters to the top body of the tower--

RIPLEY: The Jui Jae (ph) tower is named for national founder Kim il- Song's ideology of self-reliance while putting your country first. Jiu Che (ph) says if the leader is the brain, citizens are the limbs. You can live

without a limb, but not without a brain.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We choose (inaudible) as our faith.

RIPLEY: You choose to be a part of the group.

But studying Jiu Che (ph) is not a choice, it's compulsory for everyone. One place to do it, the grand papal study house, supposedly 30

million volumes here. The few books we see are well worn, the rest locked away.

To get to them you have to ask this woman and they come out a chute at the bottom here.

Another place to learn, the freshly renovated war museum.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're conducting a scrimmage (ph).

RIPLEY: Above this display, a large graphic photo of a dead American pilot who crashed in North Korea.

Why show the photo of the dead pilot?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This pilot, because we are going to show that anybody who violates the sovereignty of (inaudible) conduct a (inaudible)

become like this.

RIPLEY: Everywhere we go we see countless millions of dollars spent on sending a message that North Korea is a modern, moral, military force,

money not being spent by this cash strapped country on the millions of citizens struggling just to get by.

Will Ripley, CNN, Pyongyang, North Korea.


ANDERSON: Amazing stuff.

The latest world news headlines just ahead. Plus, after days of violent anti-government protests in Pakistan, it appears at least the prime

minister may be looking for a way out. A live report from Islamabad for you coming up.


ANDERSON: This is CONNECT THE WORLD with me, Becky Anderson. The top stories for you this hour here on CNN.

British prime minister David Cameron has just announced new anti- terror measures in the past hour to fight the growing ISIS threat. It includes stripping suspected jihadists of their passports and giving

British authorities new powers to track suspected supporters of ISIS

NATO says it's working on a plan of action to respond to, quote, "Russia's aggressive behavior in Ukraine." Pro-Russian insurgents have

been making lightning-fast gains in eastern Ukraine, allegedly with the help of Russian troops and weapons.

Three Americans held in North Korea have spoken to CNN's Will Ripley in Pyongyang. Kenneth Bae, who you see here, Matthew Miller, and Jeffrey

Fowle, were allowed to answer questions about their treatment and send messages to their families. Bae has been held the longest. He was

arrested in late 2012.

Violent street protests returned to Islamabad as anti-government protesters clashed with security forces. They accused Pakistani prime

minister Nawaz Sharif of rigging the last election and are demanding that he step down.

A Pakistani government official tells CNN that Prime Minister Sharif met with the military leaders of the country to talk about possibly

stepping down temporarily, but the Pakistani military denies that.

Saima Mohsin joins us, live from Islamabad with the very latest. Is it really likely that the prime minister will yield to pressure from his

opponents, however violent these protests, and step down? What's going on here?

SAIMA MOHSIN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Becky, he's certainly shown no intention of doing so. We've had statements after statements

saying that he will not resign, it's out of the question. And same goes for his government.

He believed firmly that he came into governance through a democratic election. In fact, the first transition of democracy or Pakistan, of

course, I was here to cover that last year where one democratic set-up handed over for the first time in the country's history to another.

Yet, we've seen a year of contention from particularly opposition leader Imran Khan. The pressure certainly is mounting, Becky. We've seen

that pressure mounting. We've seen that pressure mounting.

And of course, with the violence on the streets and the clashes and the military statement saying that they want to see a peaceful resolution

to this, there is certainly a sense that there is pressure mounting on the prime minister. We're waiting to hear from him tomorrow in a special

session of parliament.

ANDERSON: It's interesting, isn't it? We were looking to trying and get Mr. Qadri up for an interview. It seems that the technology is failing

us, but we'll keep trying.

One of the questions that I wanted to put to him -- and perhaps you and I can discuss this -- is that both he and his supporters are actually

being accused of inciting this deadly violence. Even his fellow opposition leader, Imran Khan, who you alluded to earlier, is distancing himself from

Mr. Qadri. Is it clear whom one should blame for this latest, deadly violence?

MOHSIN: Not really. Of course, there is concern about the excessive use of force. Senior superintendent of police, no less, came out last

night here in Islamabad, speaking about the use of force by his policemen, saying that he felt excessive force was used.

But let's not forget, they were facing thousands of people marching towards prime minister's house. Now, as many analysts have pointed out,

Becky, anywhere in the world, people would not be able to or permitted to march towards, say, the White House or 10 Downing Street, armed with sticks

and catapults, with marbles and rocks.

So, they weren't heavily armed with guns or knives, but they were armed and they seemed -- perhaps seemed menacing. The police used teargas,

but then they did also resort to firing into the air with -- we're not sure whether they were using rubber bullets or live rounds. And of course, we

may never get to the bottom of that.

So, there is concern about how both sides have been dealing with this situation and how there doesn't really seem to be very clear parameters on

how they play to proceed or where this is going to end, Becky.

ANDERSON: It's interesting, when you look at Pakistani politics, you always have to look at sort of four constituencies, don't you? The ruling

government, as it were, and that's Nawaz Sharif. You've got these Democrats, as they call themselves, the opposition party.

You've then always got the judges, and the judges have been very vocal and said sort yourselves out. And then you've got the military, of course,

in Pakistan.

Now, there have been many who have said this could lead to -- could lead to -- a soft coup, or a coup by stealth, and have been asking the

opposition whether that's what they want to see from the new Pakistani military, a takeover.

What do you think the end game is, here, and should our viewers and Pakistanis be concerned about the possibility of the military taking over

in what might be considered a soft coup?

MOHSIN: Well, a lot of people, Becky, are saying a soft coup has already taken place, because inviting the military, as we saw a couple of

days ago, to negotiate between the two sides itself created them as almost a legitimate political force, when really, they're the military that are

here to defend the country.

Currently, by the way, of course embroiled in a military operation in North Waziristan against the Taliban and other extremist groups and

terrorist groups. So, they have big issues to deal with themselves. They perhaps do not want to be embroiled in this necessarily.

But other analysts are saying, perhaps they are behind all of this unrest. In fact, just a short while ago, there was a press conference by

Javed Hashmi. That's Imran Khan's former president of the party. He resigned following these clashes on Saturday. He's saying that Imran Khan

is very much cooperating with the military and this is a grand plan.

Imran Khan's party, by the way, are denying those allegations and saying they're completely unfounded. But yes, there's huge concern about

the role the military is playing, whether they're being brought in too much.

Earlier today, in fact, I was at PTV, the state broadcaster, when we saw hundreds of protesters surrounding the building, and then we saw the

soldiers marching in, and it was very reminiscent to me, certainly, of when President Musharraf carried out the coup, and we saw those military men

taking over the state broadcaster.

This time today, though, the military was called in to protect to the state institutions, and so far, they're saying that's what they want to do,

they want to protect democracy in Pakistan. Becky?

ANDERSON: Ironically, of course, Musharraf affecting a coup over what was a government run by Nawaz Sharif at the time. All right. We thank you

for that. And I do know that Sharif due to address parliament tomorrow, Tuesday. We don't know what he will say, but one assumes he is likely to

try and show that he is firmly in control. As we get more on that, of course, we will bring it to you.

I want to get you back to one of our top stories tonight and the new anti-terror laws that the British prime minister has announced in the past

hour or so.

Well, some Muslims in Britain say they are concerned about being targeted as the UK raises the terror threat level and institutes some of

these new regulations. Karl Penhaul now looks at the tensions affecting one community in London's East End.


DAVID CAMERON, PRIME MINISTER OF BRITAIN: We are in the middle of a generational struggle against a poisonous and extremist ideology.

KARL PENHAUL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The prime minister's battle cry to fight radical Islam. A few miles away, one of

London's most deprived neighborhoods, a melting pot of color and creed, including many Muslims.

Hard scrabbled Catholic nun Christine Frost has been waging her own generational struggle for 45 years. A plodding campaign, livened up with

fun days like this to help everyone get along.

CHRISTINE FROST, CATHOLIC NUN: An old bit of wisdom that if I've had a cup of tea with you or I've got to know you a little bit, then it's going

to be harder for me to be cruel to you.

PENHAUL: The biggest threat, she says, is not extreme Islam, but the extreme gap between rich and poor. Here in the East End, decrepit social

housing sits in the shadow of one of the world's premier financial districts.

FROST: We were sure that there would be trickle-down. Well, it's now 20, 30 years, and the trickle is awfully slow.

PENHAUL: Critics suggest politicians have failed to root out Muslim extremism for fear of appearing racist. But at a Bingo game organized by

Sister Christine, born and bred East Enders speak frankly, unbowed by political correctness.

JOSIE UNDERWOOD, EAST END RESIDENT: They come over here. They get their big mosque built for them.

MARY SAUNTRY, EAST END RESIDENT: I think it's all wrong when they talk in their own language.


SAUNTRY: Yes. It makes you feel as if you're an outcast.

PENHAUL: They're unsettled by unfamiliar customs.

SAUNTRY: A face is a face, not to be covered up like that. And I don't agree with that, but what can you do?

PENHAUL: Close by, time to pray. Worshipers seem concerned all Muslims may be unfairly targeted in the hunt for British jihadis.

ANTARA MUHAJIMI, EAST END RESIDENT: People are scared of what they don't know most of the time. So, if they don't -- it's like in movies when

alien invasion, the first thing people think about is attacking them. That's exactly the same with us.

PENHAUL: Some citizens suggest radicalism has been fueled by Britain's support to the American war on terror.

NASSIR AHMED, EAST END RESIDENT: There's an elephant in the room. If somebody's going abroad, whether it's the British army or extremism, and

killing somebody, they've got blood on their hands.

PENHAUL: But even as warnings of a homegrown terror plot and a government crackdown on radical Islam now risk setting neighbors against

each other, some hold out hope that differences of color and religion are no obstacle to sharing common ground.

FROST: It's not about rules and regulations and all that nonsense. It's about living together, caring about each other.

MUHAJIMI: Kindness and patience and acceptance. That's what's going to keep a community together.

PENHAUL: Karl Penhaul, CNN, London.


ANDERSON: Live from Abu Dhabi, you're watching CONNECT THE WORLD with me, Becky Anderson. Up next, this is no ordinary pool party. More of a

video that claims to show a Libyan militia partying inside the US embassy. And let me tell you, they were not invited guests. That up next.






ANDERSON: Well, it appears that Libyan militia members decided to hold a pool party at the US embassy in Tripoli, amateur video showing

fully-clothed cheering men swimming in the pool in a residential area of the abandoned compound. The American ambassador to Libya says the embassy

was not ransacked.

US diplomats evacuated Tripoli in July due to heavy militia violence. CNN international correspondent Nic Robertson joins me now from CNN in

London. He has been covering the situation in Libya for a number of years. And Nic, you will know that facility well. Do we know the circumstances in

which it was overrun, as it were?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We don't know the precise circumstances, but what we do know is what has been happening

in and around the capital. We know that the militia, an Islamist militia, Dawn of Libya, really came into the capital just around the time that the

US embassy was evacuated. That's why it was evacuated, the fighting was increasing.

This militia took control of the international airport from another militia, and they've taken control of pretty much large parts of the

capital, Tripoli. And it seems that that's how they gained entry to the compound.

Now, we did understand that there were Libyan guards left in control at the embassy, but in a situation that is, in effect, lawless, or the law

is in the hands of the largest, strongest militia, the Dawn of Libya, an Islamist militia, they opened the doors, let themselves in.

Photographs, we've seen bedrooms, gymnasium, not too much damage. The ambassador says there was no ransacking. A spokesman for the Libya's

National Congress said that this was not an attack and that it wasn't ransacked.

But of course, this begs huge questions. Who really is in control in the city? And it's not, just at the moment, the US embassy that's being

overrun like this. There are other government buildings that are not in the hands of their sort of --


ROBERTSON: -- rightful ministry owners, if you will.

ANDERSON: Nic, it does seem that these pictures are just indicative of a wider chaos in the country, which I know here is worrying the

leadership across this region. This two year anniversary of the attack on the US embassy only -- what? -- 12 days away, and the death of the

ambassador, of course, at that stage.

Still little evidence -- and I say that with the caveat that someone was flying jets over the country and bombing the Islamist militia recently

-- but little evidence of international help despite calls by the Libyan foreign minister. What is the consequence of leaving this spiral into

chaos of this militia-run -- or this civil war, which is ultimately between sort of competing militia?

ROBERTSON: And competing interests, whether they be financial, whether they be tribal, whether they be federalist. All these sorts of

issues are playing out right now. One of the net effects has been desertion from Tripoli of representatives from international embassies, be

they American, be they British, be they many others.

And we've seen, therefore, a deteriorating of security more widespread across the country as a result of all of this. We're seeing a fracturing

of the leadership of the country.

We're seeing a degradation and diminution of the amount of gas and oil that the country is able to export. This, of course, for countries like

Libya, who rely so heavily on Libya's gas, this is causing -- potentially will cause serious problems for Italy.

So, the knock-on effects are great. And not only that, but destabilizing countries to either side, to Tunisia, to Egypt. And

criticism as well. When it was Egypt or the United Arab Emirates, who were believed to be behind the bombings of Tripoli recently, criticism from the

United States because that was only inflaming what was happening on the ground.

But what we are not seeing is an emergence of a dialogue that's pulling these groups together. At the moment, the narrative is of the

country falling apart more than coming together.

ANDERSON: Yes, interesting. There's been talk of this stabilization process. What that means and how it would be affected by at least

neighbors, if not the international community, remains to be seen. Nic, always a pleasure, thank you.

Coming up after this short break on CONNECT THE WORLD with me, Becky Anderson. Bringing these detested house pests out of the shadows. These

creepy crawlies may be coming to a pharmacy or, indeed, a restaurant near you.


ANDERSON: In tonight's Parting Shots for you, the Chinese are known for their vast cuisine, but a new delicacy may be coming your way. China's

cockroach kingpin is hoping to get the critters from the crate onto the plate. CNN's David McKenzie, sadly for him, has more for you.



DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you're eating, maybe put down your fork, because Wang Fuming has a surprise

for you: welcome to the roach farm. That's right, cockroaches.

MCKENZIE (on camera): Inside here is where they breed the cockroaches. You can just hear them in here, and they stink of ammonia,

and Wang says that in these rooms, there are nearly a million cockroaches. And it is literally the stuff of nightmares.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): "I feel close to them," Wang tells me. "Just smell that unique smell they have."


MCKENZIE (on camera): Ooh! I can smell it, huh?

MCKENZIE (voice-over): Unbelievably, this crop of American cockroaches brings in serious cash for Wang. He's the roach kingpin in a

growing market in China.

MCKENZIE (on camera): This is the motherload in this one giant packet of roaches. Wang says there is around half a ton of these critters, and

they could all be ordered by Chinese pharmaceutical companies. It's almost six feet tall.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): Wang says pharmaceutical companies are lining up to buy his stash. They pedal crushed roach pills in China as a catch-

all cure for stomach, liver, and heart ailments. And it's not just business for Wang. Since the age of seven, he's been admiring -- ooh! --

and eating cockroaches. And that one's just an appetizer. Because Wang prefers his roaches fried in peanut oil.

MCKENZIE (on camera): I have to say, they look worse than when they went in.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): He wants to push it as a protein snack. It hasn't quite caught on yet.

MCKENZIE (on camera): It's -- it tastes like peanut oil, but then the aftertaste is exactly how you would imagine cockroaches to taste.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): "If you don't try it, you will regret your decision forever," says Wang.

David McKenzie, CNN, Jinan, China.


ANDERSON: She looks as if she's enjoying it. Oh, my goodness. Leaves you with a nasty taste in your mouth, doesn't it?

I'm Becky Anderson, that was CONNECT THE WORLD. Thank you for watching. I'm going to be back with your news headlines straight after

this short break, stay with us.