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President Announces Strategy to Combat ISIS; Ceasefire between Ukraine and Rebels Holding; Plane Crashes into Caribbean; President Announces Delay in Immigration Order Until After Midterm Elections; Security of Cloud Computing Examined; Joan Rivers Remembered; CNN Hero Grows Fruits and Vegetables for Inner City Residents

Aired September 06, 2014 - 10:00   ET

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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Well, I hope Saturday has been good to you. We're so grateful for your company. I'm Christi Paul.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Martin Savidge. I'm in for Victor Blackwell. It's 10:00 o'clock on the East Coast, 7:00 on the West. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. Great to be with you.

Great to be with you.

PAUL: It's so good to have you here, Martin. Thank you.

All righty -- let's talk about what a lot of people are talking about today: President Obama saying, Make no mistake, ISIS poses a long- term threat.

SAVIDGE: The president is just back from -- actualy this morning, from his NATO summit in Wales, and he says that the key allies are ready to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the US to degrade, destroy and dismantle ISIS.

PAUL: CNN's Erin McPike at the White House, joining us live. Also, Erin, what are the NATO allies, I guess, is the first question here, what are the NATO allies agreeing to? I mean, do we have any specifics?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Christi and Martin, basically, Secretary of State John Kerry and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel met with nine other countries, representatives from those countries yesterday afternoon, and essentially what they agreed to train and supply Iraqi force there on the ground as well as stopping the funding for ISIS or countering it in some way. But President Obama said yesterday it will take a long time.

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MCPIKE: Returning from talks in Europe over how to deal with the ISIS threat, President Obama now faces a returning Congress and lawmakers demanding a strategy.

BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There was unanimity over the last two day that ISIL poses a threat to NATO members.

MCPIKE: The strategy eluding the president for weeks becoming clearer.

OBAMA: What we can accomplish is to dismantle this network, this force that has claimed to control this much territory so that they can't do us harm. And that's going to be our objective.

MCPIKE: But achieving that goal in Syria with a government the U.S. doesn't support remains a challenge. Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, including Republican Frank Wolf in the House and Democrat Bill Nelson in the Senate, already are preparing legislation ahead of any presidential request to authorize U.S. airstrikes inside Syria. So far Mr. Obama pledged no U.S. ground troops will enter Syria, stressing that the U.S. and an international coalition will prop up partners on the ground there, like the relatively moderate Free Syrian Army, to take the fight directly to ISIS.

OBAMA: They have been to some degree outgunned and outmanned, and that's why it's important for us to work with our friends and allies to support them more effectively.

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MCPIKE: Now, President Obama also compared the fight guess ISIS to the fight against Al Qaeda. Of course, critics will say that the fight against Al Qaeda has not gone particularly well and that they really had a resurgence in recent years. Christi and Martin?

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Erin McPike, we appreciate the report, thank you.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN ANCHOR: CNN's Anna Coren has been traveling with Iraqi-Kurdish forces who are fighting ISIS, and she is joining us now from the northern Iraqi city of Erbil. And Anna, you got a firsthand look at the battle on the ground there and you've been on the front lines.

ANNA COREN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's right. Martin, we went with the Peshmerga, the Kurdish forces, on one of their missions. It was an overnight mission which started at the crack of dawn. They were taking back a strategic location, a mountainside, and many of the villages around it which ISIS had seized control of back in June during their lightning advance across much of northern Iraq.

We there with several hundred Kurdish forces, and they pummeled that area with artillery and mortar as well as those U.S. airstrikes. We witnessed them firsthand, and it was quite incredible how they were taking out enemy positions as well as the artillery and the convoys. You know, this is how ISIS has been able to move around up until now in these hoards of convoys and able to take over these townships and small farming villages. That is no more because of the U.S. airstrikes. It was quite incredible to see the full impact, and obviously, the cover, then, that they provide to the ground forces.

But they managed to retake the strategic location within several hours and really setting them up for the next phase of the operation, which is down the plains into Mosul. Obviously, Mosul itself is a completely different operation. You're talking about an ISIS stronghold, Iraq's second largest city made up of more than 1.5 million people. This will be urban warfare and evolve, involve a lot more coordination and cooperation, not just amongst Iraqis and the Kurdish forces but also amongst the Americans and international allies who have agreed to fight is.

SAVIDGE: All right, Anna Coren, thank you very much for that report.

PAUL: Thanks, Anna.

Let's talk more about the U.S. strategy against ISIS now.

SAVIDGE: Joining us now, Lieutenant Colonel and Pentagon consultant Bob Maginnis and CNN counterterrorism analyst and former CIA counterterrorism official Philip Mudd. Bob, let me ask you this first. When we say NATO or when we talk about some sort of coalition, how do we make sure it isn't just the U.S. almost alone doing whatever needs to be done?

LT. COL. BOB MAGINNIS, U.S. ARMY (RET): Well, Martin, that's always tough, and, of course, the president was in NATO this week talking with our key allies like the Brits and the French and the Germans, and evidently he's managed to garner significant support. They've recognized the threat of ISIS, and, of course, now Secretaries Hagel and Kerry are on their way to the Middle East trying to recruit Arabs so that they can fight on the ground. So together with the NATO allies as well as those from the region working together, I think that we can put together a reasonable coalition, and it will fit the emerging strategy the president has put together.

PAUL: Let's talk about that strategy, because we know this week we heard not only from President Obama but also from Vice President Biden and from Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on the threat of ISIS. Let's listen at this first of all, please.

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OBAMA: We will not be intimidated. Their horrific acts unite us as a country and stiffen our resolve to take the fight against these terrorists.

CHUCK HAGEL, U.S. DEFENSE SECRETARY: They control half of Iraq today. They control half of Syria today. We better be taking them serious.

JOE BIDEN, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: They should know we will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice, because hell is where they will reside!

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PAUL: Look, the tones are still a bit different here and certainly a lot different than it was when the president was calling ISIS a jayvee team some months ago.

SAVIDGE: Absolutely, yes.

PAUL: Do you think, Philip, that this signals some sort of splinter in the administration which it comes to a strategy to deal with is?

PHILIP MUDD, CNN COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: I don't think it indicates a splinter, to be blunt, and I served in administrations both Republican and Democrat. I think the talk got ahead of action and the White House lost some control of the people in the cabinet, in particular secretary of defense. I think the president clearly with the conversation with NATO this week and with what Prime Minister Cameron has said, the prime minister talked potentially about strikes in Syria as setting up further operations in Syria. I would be really surprised if we didn't see strikes in Syria. I just think in the chaos of Washington with so many people speaking about the threat they just lost the thread in the administration.

SAVIDGE: Now, there may be some who would argue, Bob, that this is exactly what the terrorist wants. In other words they want to see the United States and NATO forces storming in because this is their way to stand up against the mighty U.S.

MAGINNIS: Well, Martin that will help their recruiting effort, clearly. And they already have a very active social media. I would think that at this point that, yes, with the NATO coming together, with, you know, Kerry and Hagel in the Middle East getting Arab nations, and the Saudis have said they'll do some of the financing, we've been working, clearly, with a number of more moderate rebel groups inside Syria. So I do expect the president to announce in the next few days, I would expect, some sort of decision with regard to bombing headquarters there in eastern Syria where the ISIS is set up most of its facilities. And then, of course, you just heard from the report in northern Iraq, we have a number of airstrikes that continue to go in. So things are coming together.

Yes, perhaps the administration was a bit split, but I think at this point things are coming together. We'll have a strategy, but it will be a long fight, something that unfortunately America, we've put up a long time since 9/11. It's going to continue for years yet to come.

PAUL: Bob, you mentioned the Arab nations, and a lot of people have been wondering, where are they and where have they been? I know with this coalition the president is hoping maybe some Arab nations come onboard here. Philip, I wanted to ask you about that. When we talk about Arab nations, what about Iran? If Iran was willing to work with the U.S., would it were wise for American officials to welcome that?

MUDD: No, I don't think so. Superficially this makes sense. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Iranians hate these Sunni militants, Iran obviously being a Shia state, a Shia theocracy. But think about a couple other characteristics here before we get ahead of ourselves.

Iran is a long standing supporter of Bashar al Assad. They sill support Bashar al Assad. Iran has been a long-standing supporter of Lebanese Hezbollah, the organization that murdered so many Americans, including marines in a barracks in Lebanon 1983. Iran's been involved in supplying explosive devices to militia in Iraq when American force was there. So before we say, hey, they can get in with us with ISIS because they hate ISIS, I'd say there's other characteristics here that are going to lead you to step back and say that's a kettle of fish I don't really want to deal with.

SAVIDGE: Philip, are we really laying the foundation here for what is going to be another war?

MUDD: I don't think so. I think if you look at successes in the counterterror campaign around the world -- by the way, I disagree with the administration when they talk about dismantling this threat. The successes have been in places like Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, where there is still an Al Qaeda presence, but the U.S. using local partners, using intelligence resources, and to be blunt, using a tremendous effectiveness of drone strikes has managed to eliminate some of the terror components of the Al Qaeda organization in these states even if some of the local groups that support ISIS, that support Al Qaeda still operate.

SAVIDGE: Bob, real quick, would you say yes, no, another war?

MAGINNIS: I don't think we're going to have another war. But of course, as Phil just indicated, we're going to use our drones, our intel, and our air power to suppress them. But hopefully the Arab community will really come together on this. They recognize the seriousness of the threat.

SAVIDGE: Bob Maginnis, Philip Mudd, thank you gentlemen both for joining us this morning.

PAUL: Thank you, gentlemen.

SAVIDGE: A ceasefire between Ukraine's government and rebel leaders appears to be holding, at least for now, despite reports of some shelling in eastern Ukraine. Streets in the flashpoint city of Donetsk appear quiet. The deal went into effect last night following nearly five months of the fighting that has left more than 2,200 people dead. A top Ukrainian official says the situation is calmer since the ceasefire began, but he says there have been some provocations by rebels.

PAUL: We know this morning rescuers are scouring the Caribbean Sea after a plane crashed hours after the last word is hear from the cockpit.

SAVIDGE: A retired fighter pilot explains oxygen deprivation and how pilots fight to survive.

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SAVIDGE: You probably followed this story yesterday, amazing. A search at sea under way now in the Caribbean for that single engine aircraft that crashed after its pilots stopped responding to air traffic controllers.

PAUL: The efforts to contact the small plane for more than four hours yesterday turned into an international incident. U.S. fighter jets were dispatched. Cuba granting rare permission for U.S. military aircraft to even enter its airspace.

SAVIDGE: Our aviation and government regulation correspondent Rene Marsh has the very latest. Good morning, Rene.

RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Christi and Martin, a plane flying with a pilot apparently unconscious. While the pilot did not declare an emergency, radio transmissions reveal the pilot was in trouble just about an hour and a half after takeoff.

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MARSH: A search mission underway right now for this small plane after it crashed 14 miles off the coast of Jamaica. It took off from Rochester, New York, bound for Naples, Florida. Onboard, Larry Glazer and his wife Jane. Over North Carolina, the pilot told air traffic control there was a problem but did not declare an emergency. He was cleared to descend to 25,000 feet, but asked to go lower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to go down to about 180. We have an indication that is not correct in the plane.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Level 250.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For 250 we need to get lower than that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Copy on that.

MARSH: About an hour and 15 minutes after takeoff the pilot stop responding to radio calls. U.S. military F-15s tracked it along the east coast of Florida. One fighter pilot looked through the window.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can see his chest rising and falling. Right before I left the first time we could see he was actually breathing.

MARSH: The pilot slumped over and the plane's windows frosted. Both are signs the pressure may have escaped, leaving the pilot without enough oxygen to stay conscious. The aircraft flew over the Bahamas and south to Cuba, where a Cuban fighter jet took over the pursuit. Four-and-a-half hours after takeoff the plane crashed near Port Antonio Jamaica.

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MARSH: If the pilot suffered from hypoxia and was unconscious as the plane continued to fly, that type of incident is rare but not unheard of. A similar situation last weekend where the FAA lost contact with a private plane, it flew into restricted airspace over Washington, D.C. The pilot was unresponsive to radio calls from air traffic control. Eventually that plane crashed into the Atlantic Ocean.

And then there's the Payne Stewart incident in 1999 in which the famous golfer and five others were killed when that plane crashed near Aberdeen, South Dakota. In that case, the plane traveled about 1,500 miles, most while the pilot, copilot and passengers apparently were unconscious or dead. Christi, Martin?

PAUL: Wow. Rene, OK, thank you so much for the info.

SAVIDGE: And we spoke earlier with a retired air force pilot about the possibility of losing oxygen in the cockpit and what pilots can do to protect themselves and their passengers.

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LT. COL. ROB "WALDO" WALDMAN (RET), AUTHOR, NEVER FLY SOLO: There's a gauge in a cockpit that shows pressure altitude. If that's wrong, you know something's up. So the key is to descend immediately, then don your oxygen mask if you thought there was problem. If you delay, by the time the hypoxia happens it can be too late. Descend immediately, don your mask, and then declare an emergency. The key is to aviate, navigate, then communicate. If air traffic controllers are not giving altitudes you need, take action. They'll clear everybody out of your way if necessary.

SAVIDGE: Let me ask you this. We talk about how insidious this is. In other words, it can creep up on you. Is there not an alarm inside the cockpit that somehow would be sampling the air saying, wait a minute, there's a problem and alarm bells go off?

WALDMAN: Some have, some don't. Some have indications, red lights, caution lights. There were two pilots in the aircraft, obviously they were both pilots. I believe the wife was not officially certified at the time. But especially when flying with a crew, make sure you're aware of the possible symptoms. Have something take over. The key is get down and take action very, very quickly.

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PAUL: All righty, we'll keep you posted on what they find in that regard.

But listen, if you haven't been paying attention to what happened in Michigan this week, if you live in the northeast you might want to take a look at what they dealt with.

SAVIDGE: Yes, there is a massive storm that swept through there, lightning, heavy rain, and thousands without power. It could be more of the same this weekend.

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SAVIDGE: Smoke, flames and lava. Sounds like a school-board meeting I covered once. It is pouring out from the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii.

PAUL: He was in Hawaii obviously. I'm just kidding. Threatening to cut off parts of the Big Island, beach community, though, there, officials say the lava could reach homes within five to seven days, which is why this is so much more serious than it usually is because we know that is an active volcano all the time.

SAVIDGE: But they have time to prepare. Severe weather heading to the northeast. That's after, though, it

slammed into the Midwest ripping up trees and leaving 365,000 people without power in Michigan. Hopefully they're working on that.

PAUL: Hopefully it is not what you can expect in the northeast to happen. Jennifer Gray?

JENNIFER GRAY, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes. Same storm system pushing into the northeast. It's going to lose a little bit of its punch by the time it gets to the northeast. But we still could see some strong storms. Look at this, a dreary start. This is Central Park. You can barely see it on the tower cam. But this is New York City, so it may be hard to get out of bed for you folks in the city this morning, but severe storms possible a little bit later this afternoon.

Let's take a look at what happened in portions of Michigan yesterday, even went into portions of Illinois. We had all of those power outages as Martin just talked about. And it could take days for power to get restored. We had about 2,000 power lines knocked down, and so folks could be without power for quite some time.

And here's a little storm damage in Illinois that was sent in, Michael Brighton, this is Arlington Heights in Illinois. Look at those trees on the house and so a dangerous situation across the Midwest yesterday.

Like we said, though, this is going to track to the northeast. These are all the storm reports we saw yesterday. Wind and hail, 152 wind reports, eight hail reports, and 365,000 customers still without power.

So right now, nothing severe across the northeast. We are watching the showers develop. Warm air is headed up your way. That warm, moist air is going to, help fuel a lot of these showers and storms ahead of the front, and then once the front reaches here we are going to see a slight risk of severe weather. Large hail, damaging winds are going to your main concern as we roll into the afternoon and evening hours.

Of course we all know the U.S. Open going on today, 91 degrees your high temperature. Some of those storms could impact that. Cooler air is going to move in behind this front. Most of the showers and storms will hit the New York city/New England area by 10:00 p.m., pushing out by the early morning hours. The cool weather a nice change, guys, for much of the northeast and it's going to filter down. We'll get it a little bit later in the week, even the humidity going down.

PAUL: Good heavens, I love that. Jennifer Gray, thank you so much.

SAVIDGE: As Congress gets ready to return to Washington from the summer recess, growing numbers of lawmakers are urging President Obama to be tougher when it comes to taking action against ISIS. So will the president's recent tough talk quiet the critics? That's next.

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PAUL: It's 28 minutes past the hour right now. So grateful for your company. I'm Christi Paul.

SAVIDGE: I'm Martin Savidge. Here are the five stories we are watching this morning along with you.

Number one -- there is finally a respite this morning from months of fighting in eastern Ukraine. A ceasefire appears to be holding. Ukraine's government and pro-Russia rebel leaders signed that deal yesterday. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says that the ceasefire is based on a peace plan he hashed out on a phone call that he had with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

PAUL: Number two -- Russia's foreign minister warned today if the European Union imposes new sanctions, Russia, quote, "certainly will respond," unquote. This according to Russian state media. EE leaders have agreed on a new round of economic sanctions against Russian interests as well as the rebel leadership in eastern Ukraine and the government of Crimea. They are due to be adopted Monday.

SAVIDGE: And number three -- a third American infected with Ebola is being treated in a hospital in Nebraska. Dr. Rick Sacra is not likely to receive ZMapp, the experimental drug given to the other two Americans as there are no doses left. Sacra was delivering babies in Liberia when he contracted the Ebola virus.

PAUL: Number four -- those animal control officers corralling a five- foot cobra after it was found slithering around a southern California neighborhood. The albino cobra was captured in Ventura County a day after it reportedly bit a dog. The officers say they're not sure where it came from or if it's venom glands have been removed, but the dog is expected to make a full recovery.

SAVIDGE: And number five -- the U.S. state department is sending a stern message to wannabe terrorists. "Think Again. Turn Away." That is the title of a graphic U.S. web campaign that mocks the terrorist groups' own recruiting videos. Meanwhile NATO members say that they're forming a spearhead force that could potentially provide training, weapons, and support to Iraqi forces.

PAUL: Breaking news out of Washington this hour. CNN has confirmed President Obama is going to delay executive action on immigration until after the midterm elections.

SAVIDGE: We go now to White House correspondent Erin McPike with more on what you're hearing. Erin what do you got?

MCPIKE: Well, Martin and Christi, we did just hear from an administration official that, yes, the president will not make an announcement on the executive action that he intends to make on immigration reform until sometime after the midterm elections. He will make the announcement by the end of the year they say.

President Obama was asked about this yesterday because Democrats say this is going to be a problem for them going into the midterm elections if something is done on that before. Of course, Democrats are trying to keep control of the Senate, and Republicans look like they may have an advantage in getting control of the Senate. But the president said that because House Republicans have not been able to act on immigration reform he's going to have to do something on the executive level. It just won't be until after the midterms at this point, Christ and Martin.

SAVIDGE: All right, Erin, thank you very much. There's a big switch.

PAUL: No kidding. You know who wants to weigh in on that -- CNN political commentators, one Maria Cardona, and two, Kevin Madden. Look at those smiles.

KEVIN MADDEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Why am I two and she's one?

PAUL: It's just the teleprompter.

MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Ladies first.

PAUL: Ladies first, yes, thank you.

OK, so -- on that note, Kevin, I'm going to give it to you first. What is the significance of this and how could it impact the Democrats in November, and then Maria, you'll get to talk about it afterwards.

CARDONA: Sure.

MADDEN: I think the big concern that the White House had was that so many of their vulnerable Democrats in some of these Senate and House races that are coming up in November, that any action would have spurred a real revolt amongst the Republican base. And as we know, in midterm elections, particularly in this election environment right now, this is really a base turn out election. From here all the way to November it's about Democrats are going to be trying to get out their base and Republicans are going to trying to get out their base.

And an action by the president would have really had a lot of folks in Republican grassroots really show up at the polls to register they're disappointed that the president would do something like that. So this is probably a smart move by the White House to help protect some of their vulnerable folks on the ballot in November.

PAUL: Maria?

CARDONA: As a Latina and an activist, I am disappointed because I would have wanted the president to do something two months ago. But as a political strategist I completely agree with Kevin. It is the smart thing to do. There are a lot of Democrats who are struggling in these red states.

And frankly right now, Democrats are holding their own. Five or six months ago, Republicans would have let us believe that they were going to take back the Senate and then 100 percent assured that it was going to happen. That's not the case today. So Democrats really want to fight this to be able to keep the Senate, and then to be able to, the president makes this announcement, which he will do. It's a promise he's made. So that the Latino activists should not be that disappointed, because it will happen, because this has been a do- nothing Congress on immigration. And frankly I think the American people will understand that this is a problem that needed to be fixed. and the hope is that Republicans in congress, whether it's in the term after the elections, the lame duck, will actually fix this because what the president will announce is not going to be a real solution. It needs to be legislative.

SAVIDGE: Let me talk about another subject now, ISIS, which is of course on the top of many people's agenda because of the horrific videos we've seen, not to mention the executions of two journalists. I'm wondering now, as we take a look at the tougher talk that's coming from the president, there, too, seems to be a change. He started off first talking maybe there was no specific strategy. Now there definitely is with NATO. What do you make of that, Maria?

CARDONA: I think it is actually within keeping with what the president has said, that one of the key things that he needed to do in terms of an objective moving forward to make sure we're able to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIS is put together an international coalition of our European allies, of the allies in the Middle East, and that's exactly what is happening. We saw it in NATO. The president said that the NATO countries have stepped up, and there has been unanimous support for the kind of coalition needed to defeat ISIS.

The secretary of state, the secretary of defense are going to go to the region to get allies in the Arab world onboard. The UAE has made positive statements on this. The Jordanians, Turkey, all of those countries, and ISIS is frankly at their door, and they understand that, are going to have to step up. And so I think that what we're seeing is exactly what the president has said, that this coalition is coming together and it is a big part of a successful strategy moving forward.

PAUL: OK. Kevin, do you think -- we know there's a coalition, but we don't know specifics. We don't know who has committed to what.

MADDEN: Right.

PAUL: What kind of -- what kind of job is this for the president to try to get these, all of these countries on one track?

MADDEN: Yes. It's very tough. I think, first of all, for all of the critics out there, the president's got criticism all around on this. I think many folks wanted to see him understand that this is a very serious threat, and have him have a greater sense of urgency.

And then a lot of his political allies, I think one of the reasons they were criticizing him, they're on a political fight this year and want to make sure that the president is offering a more, a more concentrated national security strategy.

So I think one of the big challenges that the president has is winning over all of these audiences and building that international coalition. One of the criticisms he's going to continue to face is, why is he only doing this now? We knew that ISIS was emerging as a threat for over a year. Why hasn't the president already built the coalition to deal with this?

SAVIDGE: All right, Kevin Madden, Maria Cardona, as always, we appreciate the insights. Thanks very much. Nice to see you both.

CARDONA: Thank you so much. You, too.

PAUL: Thanks, guys.

So let me ask you a question that you are probably asking yourself. Is using cloud computing safe? Like it or not, just about all of us have personal information stored on the cloud, whether we created it, whether we didn't, health care providers, insurance carriers, all of them, details on what information about you, yes, lives on the cloud.

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PAUL: Let me ask you something. Do you know what the cloud is? We keep talking about it, hearing about it. Some people are saying "cloud." We know it's there. What does it mean, what does it do, what does it hold? You might be surprised or you might be freaked out to learn just how much of your stuff is in the cloud.

SAVIDGE: Here's an example, mobile apps and PC software becoming inseparable from the cloud. And forget your personal pictures. There's music, contacts. If you use popular apps like Netflix or Facebook, you're on the cloud.

PAUL: Whether you like it not. There's personal information stored in the cloud that you didn't even create. Health care providers store your medical records in the cloud. Insurance companies put your claims there.

SAVIDGE: In fact, there are some states that have started storing their records there as well. Joining us now for more, CNET.com senior editor Bridget Carey. Bridget, like it or not, I guess we have to accept the cloud is pretty much here to stay.

BRIDGET CAREY, CNET.COM SENIOR EDITOR: Yes, pretty much. You can think of the cloud as something as simple as saying I'm saving my data on another company's servers and I can access it easily going on the web. We don't always think about that. We just take pictures on our phone and go, isn't that magically nice that I can just have my photos backed up for me? But they're really on Apple servers if it's an iPhone and with other companies, the same as well.

PAUL: You delete it, think it's gone. Oh, not so fast, because I know in the first interview since the iCloud photo hacking scandal, Apple CEO Tim Cook, he defended the safety of the cloud and he said that the hackers either were able to break into the actors' passwords using that, or they used phishing scams to hack in.

But I want to read a quote from Tim Cook. He said "When I step back from this terrible scenario that happened and say what more could we have done, I think about the awareness piece. I think we have a responsibility to ratchet that up. That's not really an engineering thing." So when he says that, how safe is cloud for all of our information, and do you think Apple could have done more in that instance?

CAREY: In this case, Tim Cook also said that he was going to make sure that when someone accesses your iCloud account on another device, you'll get an alert and an e-mail letting you know someone went into your account. But that's like saying we'll let you know sooner when you get hacked. That's not an answer.

What more needs to be done is changing the way we use passwords to begin with, because if we don't change things were we're going to keep getting hacked. It's very easy to access. For example, when you can't think of your password, they have these security questions. It's not just Apple has it. Others websites do. Like, what it's your mother's maiden name? What was your favorite dog and superhero, the kind of stuff our friends know about us. It's easy to Google if we've ever talked about the things we like.

So we have to think differently about how we protect our information. Maybe we need two levels of passwords and to teach people how to use that. There are things called two-factor verification where you have a second level password. But it's not well known or well understood.

SAVIDGE: And I saw Apple did take a hit, at least its stock did. What is the long-term impact likely to be?

CAREY: I think we have trust issues to work out with Apple on this, especially because you're hearing a lot of talk about their new devices that they'll introduce on Tuesday, like the new iPhone, or perhaps a new iWatch. Having things like mobile payments, being able to put your credit card info on the phone and pay with your phone instead of just paying with a credit card. So if you can't trust your photos, will you be able to crust your credit card? That's the kind of conversation that Apple needs to talk about, needs to tell us how secure things are going to be going forward.

PAUL: Very good point. All right, CNET's Bridget Carey, so good to have you here, Bridget. Thank you.

CAREY: Thanks.

SAVIDGE: You're saying I can't delete it? Hmm. All right.

PAUL: I guess. Yes.

SAVIDGE: Moving on, friends and family prepare to say goodbye to Joan Rivers at a private service that will be tomorrow.

PAUL: Fans of the comedy legend are setting up makeshift memorials, though. This is happening from Manhattan to Hollywood. We're talking with a friend and comedic colleague of Joan Rivers when we come back.

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JOAN RIVERS, COMEDIENNE: My mother said, only a doctor for you. When I was 22, she said, all right a lawyer, CPA. At 24, she said, grab a dentist. At 26, she said, anything.

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PAUL: Oh, for more than half a century, Joan Rivers, made the world laugh. She was edgy, she was topical. She was so witty.

SAVIDGE: Yes, she had a tremendous sense of humor, very sharp. Think about that. While comedians and artists of just about all kinds, we see them come and go, Rivers never really lost step. She was always able it reinvent herself, and she was good, if not even better, at 81 than she was, say, at 31.

PAUL: You would think that's pretty tough to do, right? She might have the offended obviously, with her comedy over the year, but there is no question the huge impact she had on women, on comedy, on entertainment.

SAVIDGE: So comedian and actress Kim Coles, we invited her to come by. She joins us from Los Angeles. And Kim, you had the great pleasure of working with Joan, which is something I did not have the opportunity. So I'm wondering, you know, what was it like to work with a woman who we all consider a legend?

KIM COLES, ACTRESS/COMEDIAN: Well, you know, she has that acerbic wit and was so edgy, as you said, but behind the scene, such a sweetheart, so generous, so lovely. I first met her on her talk show in the early '90s in New York, and I was a little scared, because I was like is she doing to dis me? Is she going to say something mean? No. She was lovely. I think she really did embrace female comediennes. I think she had a real respect and love for those who also respected her, and so she couldn't have been sweeter, couldn't have been more generous, and couldn't have been more accommodating to me.

And I'll always remember that first meeting, and then I met her many times over the years. And she's always just been really, just yummy. Really yummy. And such a juxtaposition between that sort of onstage character to who she was behind the scenes. It was really something to watch.

PAUL: We heard so many stories lately about the soft spot she had and how kind she was and how caring she was, and it made me wonder, she did say things that offended people a lot. She clearly wasn't really concerned about political correctness, but what did she think about it? Did she ever feel she should have apologized for anything?

COLES: I think that her motto, one of her mottos had to be, no apologies. She was performing at the Laurie Beechman Theater last year and I went to go see her final, her closing night, because I was opening the next day. So I gave her some love. I went backstage. She sent me a huge bouquet of orchids the next day, and the note read, "Go out there and get 'em, girl. You're going to do really well. And if they don't laugh, they are wrong."

So that spoke to her feeling about, I'm going to be confident about what I say onstage. You should be confident about what you are going to say onstage and believe in conviction that it's funny and that it's good. And so I think she's all about no apologies. I think that was part of her way.

PAUL: Yes.

SAVIDGE: She never stopped working. I mean, of course, she worked right up into the day before she died. What was it that drove her? Why did she feel that need?

COLES: I think that there's something in her childhood that we'll find out as people begin to talk more about her. I think that she just was, a tough cookie, and probably moosh on the inside, which is why I think there was that other exterior that we would see. But I think that she's from that old school where you worked and you work hard and you give back and you share and you grow, and we need more performers like that. There's a lot of folk whose think they can hit it and hit it quick and make that money. This is a woman who stayed working and she, you're right. She reinvented hers all the time. That's actually one of the most admirable things about her. This is a woman of all the ages, and young folks, you know, related to her, and certainly the older generation related to her. She's one for the ages, no doubt. No doubt.

PAUL: Let me ask you real quickly, do you -- what do you think she would think of the outpouring and of the reaction from people to her death? I mean, if she is in heaven right now looking down what do you think she's thinking?

COLES: She's up in heaven making god laugh and all the angels, and she and Robin Williams, no doubt, are holding hands right now. But I'm certain she would be looking down and loving every moment of this, because I think comediennes in the end want love and laughter. I think we choose this because we want the approval and the laughter of people, and so I'm sure she's up in heaven loving every single minute of this saying, why am I here so early? Because you're right, she was working the day before she left us. And she'll be with us forever, because we have her work, we have her memory, and we have her jokes.

SAVIDGE: Kim Coles, such wonderful insight into your friend, and to a woman we all know. And are condolences to you. We all feel we've lost a tremendous treasure.

PAUL: Best of luck to you.

COLES: A legend.

PAUL: A legend.

COLES: A legend.

PAUL: Kim, thank you so much.

COLES: Thank you. Sure.

PAUL: Take good care. So planting more than just seeds in his native New Jersey, meet the

CNN hero who's bringing fresh fruit and vegetables to inner city neighborhoods, and he's doing this for free.

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PAUL: So known at the garden state, New Jersey the one of the nation's top producers of fruits and vegetables.

SAVIDGE: But that fresh produce does not always get to those who need it the most. So when this week's CNN hero learned that people in his home state people have trouble affording or at least getting a hold of the healthy food, he took a small garden to the next level.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a working-class neighborhood. It's difficult for a lot of us to afford fresh produce. We just have gone to stores basically, corner stores. They don't have a large variety of fresh fruits and vegetables.

CHIP PAILLEX, CNN HERO: I started the farm with my daughter, and the first year we were able to get 120 pounds of produce. With all the extra produce, we brought it down to the local food pantry. I realized people are hungry for fresh fruits and vegetables. We grow, we clean, and we give.

When we first started the program, it was basically my family. Now we're around 4,000 volunteers.

Excellent.

It's not just feeding people. Our goal is really to educate the folks who receive the produce.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, are you ready for some corn?

CROWD: Yes!

PAILLEX: When kids come out for the first time from the inner city, they immediately are struck by the fact that food grows out of the ground.

There you go.

For them to be able to actually harvest it and bring it home to their family, that's huge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When was the first time you ate corn right off the stalk. Look at that?

PAILLEX: We also go to inner city area and we set up a free farm market.

How are we doing? Thank you, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have diabetes and high blood pressure. Some things I need for my diet a lot of times I can't afford.

PAILLEX: You like the corn. It's good stuff.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since I've been going to the farmer's market I have lost some weight. My sugar is better controlled, and the food is delicious.

PAILLEX: I believe that everyone deserves to be able to eat healthy. There's no greater reward.

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PAUL: All right, so there you have it.

We are out of here.

SAVIDGE: Yes. That does it for us.

PAUL: For the most part. We hope you make great memories today.

SAVIDGE: Stay right here, and, of course -- stay right -- because the next hour --

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hi!

SAVIDGE: We've got Fredricka joining us.

WHITFIELD: Hello. Good to see you, guys. I know you've made lots of memories this morning. You've kept us completely informed. Now we're going to pick up from where you leave off. So you all have a great day.

PAUL: You, too.

WHITFIELD: All right, thanks so much.