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Teachers Accused of Threesome with Student; White Woman Gives Birth to Mixed-Race Baby; Teacher Allegedly Sent Picture of Penis to Underage Girls

Aired October 02, 2014 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the story of a teacher accused of trading sex for grades. Taking one student to a sex club and

sending 10,000 inappropriate texts to yet another.

Then, wrong donor. A mom tells us why she`s suing the sperm bank that enabled her to have a daughter. Huh!

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening, everyone. My co-host is Samantha Schacher.

And coming up, a teacher is accused of preying on underage students and grooming them for sex.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: That`s right, Dr. Drew. And get this -- also, authorities say he traded sex for good grades.

PINSKY: Ooh, old school.

But first, another story involving teachers, two young female high school teachers are in jail. Prosecutors say they had a threesome with a 16-year-

old male student. Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two Destrehan High English teachers are now facing felony charges.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say the pair had sex with a male student when he was 16. He`s 17 now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They should have known better.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Met with a Destrehan High student after a football game and drove to an apartment where the three had sex simultaneously that

lasted until the early morning hours of the 13th.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing surprises me anymore, really.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Former students telling us the three had been hot and heavy for sometime, meeting for sex multiple times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cops say the trio videotaped their tryst. Investigators are now looking for that video evidence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do believe it`s lack of a better judgment.

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PINSKY: Joining us Anahita Sedaghatfar from AnahitaLaw.com, Mark Eiglarsh, attorney at SpeaktoMark.com, and our own HLN actor, Christi Paul joins us.

Sam, tell us what else we know about these teachers and as the reporter said, and their hot and heavy relationship.

SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh, and lack of better judgment, right? There`s a lot more than that. So disturbing. So -- OK.

So, we have Shelley Dufresne. She`s 32 years old, married, with three kids, how special. Her father was a judge. She worked at the school for

10 years. She`s an English teacher, and the victim was in her class this year.

Then, we have Rachel Respess. She`s 24 years old, worked for the school for the past two years, also an English teacher. And the victim was in her

class last year.

PINSKY: Mark, I see you sharpening your fangs to dig into this one. Have at it?

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Really, do I have to defend these people?

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CHRISTI PAUL, HLN ACTOR: Good luck with that.

PINSKY: I just saw the look on your face.

EIGLARSH: Fine, I`ll take it on.

First, I`m going to eliminate those defenses that don`t work. To say they`re too hot for prison, take that off the list. It doesn`t work.

Secondly, we would have to hire David Copperfield make the facts go away. If that doesn`t work, we say the only evidence that these crimes took place

comes from a 16-year-old with an imaginary mind, and there`s no independent evidence -- unless, of course, they show us the videotape. In which case,

a plea bargain.

PINSKY: Anahita, is that where you -- you`re going to need nothing more creative than that. You`re not going to be able to take these people off

their transgressions?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: I`m just glad Mark is here and he got to defend them and it wasn`t me tonight.

No, I think this is a tough one. There`s video evidence of this. There`s other witnesses that will testify that this did happen.

And here we go again. I really think this is becoming an epidemic, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: The teachers misbehaved.

SEDAGHATFAR: The teachers, yes, and I don`t know if I`m more disgusted with what these two women did, these predators did, or the fact that people

are reacting to this like in a way that, oh, that`s so cool. I wish I had a teacher like that when I was in high school, hot for teacher. I mean, if

this were two men that did this to a 16-year-old girl, we would be saying cut his head off.

So, why is it so different when the predators are women? That is so infuriating.

PINSKY: It`s infuriating. And, Christi, I think people don`t understand that while the young male may be an enthusiastic participant of something

like this, it has long-lasting effects on his development, his sense of health, his sense of self, his sexuality, his brain development, Anahita.

I got a brain tonight. It changes everything, Christi.

PAUL: And now because it`s becoming so public -- I mean, there`s going to be some humiliation involved here as well for him when all is said and

done, because he may be proud of it, and I don`t know what made them think if this did happen, if it`s true that a 16-year-old wasn`t going to talk.

Come on, are you kidding me? And she`s married with three kids. What about her kids?

PINSKY: And she was chatting it up a little bit. And there was maybe, Mark, as you mentioned a tape. If there is a tape, does that include now a

new legal problem, which includes child pornography?

EIGLARSH: Yes, absolutely. If they have that videotape, no question.

I wanted to say a couple of things. First, you know, I`m not a big fan of country, but one country song that drew me in many years ago was "thank God

for unanswered prayers," because if this prayer were answered, this would have happened to me many times in high school.

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PINSKY: Everybody, listen to Mark. Let him finish. He`s making the right point.

Go ahead. Finish that.

EIGLARSH: Let me finish my point.

If this had happened to me, and thank God it did not, it would have meant statistically I am more likely to do drugs, and alcohol, be depressed,

suicidal, to hurt myself by carving and cutting and things like that. So, you know what? I`m glad it didn`t happen to me and it`s unfortunate it

happened to him.

PINSKY: Yes. Sam?

SCHACHER: Yes, I`m so glad that you made that point, Mark, because I work on a show in the morning that has a lot of young viewers and we talked

about this case. A lot of young viewers were writing in, essentially giving virtual high fives to this teenage boy, who is a victim, and then

also applauding these two female teachers, calling them hot, totally disregarding the fact that they are authoritative figures, they are adults,

that they used their stature as teachers to coerce and manipulate and influence a student.

And you bringing up the fact that they would be much more prone to addiction and a lot of other things, too.

PINSKY: Go ahead, Anahita.

SEDAGHATFAR: Sorry, I was going to say, what about the issue of consent? So, he says I did this voluntarily, but the law rightly so does not

recognize consent when you`re a minor.

And, Dr. Drew, you`ve always explained this to us, because the brain is not fully developed yet. When you are 16, 17, it`s not fully developed.

You`re not capable of making these decisions. Can you show us?

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PINSKY: This part of the brain -- the frontal lobes that don`t develop, are shut down for remodeling and allows the kids to be dependent on this

part of the brain down here, deep, very primitive structures that we share with other animals frankly, that respond to things like thrill and

intensity, and so that`s what young kids go for. They are drawn to that. They are rewarded by that.

And it`s incumbent on people with a functioning -- fully functioning, hopefully, frontal lobe to be superimposed on those impulses of the young

people, and to help them contain them so they don`t traumatize themselves and they don`t impair the development of those frontal lobes that later

need that ability to contain these impulses that we must do for them. In the meantime, if that makes any sense at all.

But here`s the deal, it is -- it violates my -- it`s one of the most deepest concerns I have in our world today, which is big people preying on

little people. Big people must take care of little people. That`s the fundamental trust, the fundamental structure of growth and development,

fundamental structure of our society, fundamental structure of how we become -- how we get in a healthy manner out of childhood to become

productive adults. Without that, we are screwed.

And that`s what Mark brought up and that`s, in fact, what unfortunately could happen to this young man because of these two women. That`s why we

call the women predators. We call him a victim.

The behavior bureau is going to hopefully sound off on this and hopefully back me up.

And later, another teacher in trouble. This one allegedly preying on pretty students and having sex with them and trading sex for grades --

after this.

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PINSK: Back with Sam and our behavior bureau is with us. Emily Roberts, psychotherapist, Danine Manette, criminal investigator, author of "Ultimate

Betrayal", Wendy Walsh, psychologist, author of "The 30-Day Love Detox".

We were talking about the two teachers, so-called, accused of having a threesome with a 16-year-old student. Wendy, one of them married with

kids.

Put this -- I have a tweet here, if you could put it up here that sort of those to this question, Wendy. It says from D. Brian Gregory. Can you

guys give that up there for me? Here it comes.

"I`m 45 and single. Teachers, please call me instead of your students."

I mean, he kind of goes right to the core of the matter, which is a sane person would do that. A not-so sane person would prey on the students.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I don`t know if we`ll call them insane, but to explain the psychological underpinnings. It`s almost like these

teachers get in this environment filled with adolescence and raging hormones and that they harkened back to their own adolescents and forget

that they`re adults.

I mean, here these two teachers scored the football star. I really feel they`re out living some of their -- reliving some of their adolescent

conflicts here.

PINSKY: Well, Wendy, and I`m going to go with Emily with this one and I have Danine drop her bomb on us.

SCHACHER: Can`t wait.

PINSKY: Emily, you were nodding yes at Wendy, I was surprised at that to begin.

But, anyway, so although that, Emily, may be the psychological context of all this, if you don`t have bipolar disorder or sex addiction or PTSD, or

border personality disorder, one of these things with boundaries are not well-perceived, you`re still not going to act out in a crazy way like this.

EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Yes. I agree with you. I think that --in my opinion, there is something maybe traumatizing from their backgrounds

that they`re kind of redoing and reliving.

PINSKY: Of course.

ROBERTS: So mentally fit, I don`t think they`re mentally fit.

I do agree with her in regards to the fact that low self-esteem is coming up for them, they`re having a little bit of insecurity I would say, a lot

of insecurity, and reliving some of that stuff.

PINSKY: Emily, I would argue if it were just that, you would see them courting this guy and reliving sort of a weird fantasy relationship. This

is sex addiction or bipolar or something where it`s all about the sexuality.

ROBERTS: I think there is some PTSD here. Most of the time or often times we can see people who have been sexually abused in the past redoing that in

their own way. And these people are teachers. They`re supposed to keep our kids safe. They`re traumatizing them.

PINSKY: That`s right, because, Danine, their body boundaries were violated, they don`t see the boundaries with someone else. But you said

yes to Wendy`s theory about the psychology, but no to mine about the PTSD.

ROBERTS: No, I agree with the PTSD.

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTOR: This is not a symptom, a syndrome, this is not PTSD. This is not some boundary.

This is two women who refuse to grow up and live big-girl lives and pay bills and have responsibilities, and they want to get caught up in this

high school theme that they can`t let go of.

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ROBERTS: But in their minds, she was a little girl.

MANETTE: You know people like that who get stuck in this time warp where they just can`t seem to let it go. If you think this is the first kid

they`ve done this with, I believe you`ll be wrong.

PINSKY: You`re probably right.

One at a time. Wendy, go ahead.

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WALSH: The fact that they`re already into threesomes tells me that they`re advance.

But, Dr. Drew, I have to also remind you, that plenty of people that are just easily swayed to the power of suggestion, maybe they had authoritative

parenting, are easily swayed by the pornofication of our culture right now.

PINSKY: OK.

WALSH: There are plenty of people doing sexual acts that are so far advanced for either their age, level of experience or the boundaries, and

maybe these young women think this is cool.

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PINSKY: Hold on, hold on.

ROBERTS: If they`re doing these --

PINSKY: Hold on, Sam, the critics all disagree. No, they don`t, they all disagree. So, Sam, settle the score with me.

SCHACHER: I don`t know how to settle the score. I just want a solution, Dr. Drew. Is there a way, especially having all these clinicians on the

panel, is there a way to have some sort of a system that that school is going to adopt where they can vet teachers to look for characteristics that

are red flags that make prone to being predators. Is there?

PINSKY: Well, there is, but the question is, what rights do people have at the point of employment? Can you ask somebody like, were you ever sexually

abused? And require an honest answer to that.

Wendy, you say no, they can`t.

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ROBERTS: Not every one that`s sexually abused is going to be an abuser. Absolutely not. But there is something that drives this behavior, right?

And that something that`s not mentally fit. That can mean a personality disorder. That can mean bipolar or --

PINSKY: By the way, I would argue even if you had something like that, what I would hope is that a school rather than not hiring somebody like

that, would require them to be under mental health services and care, and give reports that things are going well and they`re following up properly

and that`s a great thing. That`s not something people should be ashamed of. They should just be getting proper care.

Because, Wendy, one of the real problems I have is why didn`t they pick this up a couple years ago before it got so crazy.

WALSH: There must have been some red flags. And I want to tell people, you know, I`ve got a 16-year-old girl in high school. There`s lots of

opportunities for teachers to disrespect boundaries. I mean, they go on field trips, they go to Washington, D.C., they go camping trips. There`s

all kinds of times where you need to trust your teachers out there. You need to trust that they have boundaries, and seeing stories like this makes

me terrified for my 16-year-old daughter.

SCHACHER: There`s a lot of good teachers. My mom is out of them. There are a lot of good teachers out there.

WALSH: That`s right. I got to wonder if some of this is our employment laws and unions and those things take priority over the safety of our

students.

WALSH: Yes, it`s hard to fire teachers.

PINSKY: You know, listen, it`s not something limited to teachers. There`s physicians and therapists transgress and it cuts to the core, because there

are the people that are the most vulnerable, the ones that need the most help get preyed upon and sucked into these things. It`s never just -- the

average kid isn`t the one that gets sucked into this. It`s the one who can be as a good victim, so to speak, to those who see the victimization.

Now, somebody was talking potential for victimization -- that is somebody in the panel, I think it was Danine, you`re talking about the fact that if

this had been reversed and these were male teachers having sex with a female, people would condemn that easily and quickly.

MANETTE: Having sex with a female, or even having sex with another male, a young male. It would have been a really big problem.

But I truly believe that that teacher probably formed a relationship with that young girl when she was a student at the school, and if they had done

this before, this may be their M.O.

SCHACHER: That`s your bomb, Dr. Drew.

MANETTE: So I really think this has been something brewing, and if the other boys didn`t say anything but this one did.

SCHACHER: Wow, there`s bomb.

PINSKY: Yes, thank you. I knew we get there eventually -- something that disturbs my sense of humanity, so there we are. So, all the way to the

map.

All right. Let`s leave this one and go now to a woman who sues a sperm bank. She`s a Caucasian female and she has a mixed race baby that she was

not expecting. She`s here to tell us her story. There she is.

And later, we`re going to go back to another teacher arrested after police say this guy was into all kinds of stuff but got caught when he sent a

picture of his genitalia to a student on Snapchat, after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A mix-up at a sperm bank causes a white woman to inadvertently use a black donor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jennifer, five months pregnant, called the facility, requesting the same donor`s sperm so Amanda could get pregnant. The center

give Jennifer the vials of an African-American donor. She says the mix-up happened because the sperm bank keeps hand written instead of electronic

records, which allowed the donor numbers to be misread.

Jennifer gave birth in 2012 to a beautiful biracial girl Payton. But racing Payton in their predominantly white union town community, Jennifer

says, maybe challenging.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not saying union town is a racist town by any means. I`m saying that I want my child to be raised around people that

maybe look like her. We want her to grow up in a community where she feels accepted, feels like it`s normal to be who she is.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Christi, Danine, Mark. It is the story you`re tweeting about most this evening. A woman suing the sperm bank that helped

her get pregnant. The problem is, she requested a blond hair, blue eyed donor but got someone of color and that was an issue for her. Now she`s

struggling to raise a biracial child in this mostly white neighborhood. You heard it there in that piece.

Sam, how did this happen?

SCHACHER: OK. So, according to documents, Dr. Drew, Jennifer was already five months pregnant. She called the sperm bank to reserve additional

sperm from the same donor, so her partner Amanda could get pregnant later. That when she realized she had been given donor number 330 instead of donor

number 380, like she`d originally requested. So, donor number 330, as we just learned, was a black man. She later found that the sperm bank keeps

handwritten records, not electronic ones, and someone had misread her file.

PINSKY: Now, Mark, it`s pretty clear it`s a gaffe, it`s malpractice, I get it. There`s going to be some sort of civil settlement. But do we have to

get the community into this whole conversation?

EIGLARSH: Yes. Let me explain something. First of all, in order to affect change at this place, you`ve got to do a lawsuit. They`re not going

to do anything unless you hit them where it counts in the purse, the wallet. So, it doesn`t happen to someone else.

It`s not about getting a biracial baby. It`s about getting the wrong baby. It`s not what they asked for. And it`s like where they screw up your order

at the drive thru. This is a major deal. Yes, I think you got to get people involved.

PINSKY: No, no, Mark, that`s not my point.

EIGLARSH: Offended by the biracial comments. It`s not what it`s about.

PINSKY: That`s not my point. And, Christi, maybe you get me on this, which is that it`s malpractice, it`s open and shut as far as I can see. I

mean, it`s a gaffe in a medical procedure and it happens. There are unintended consequences every time you interact with the medical system.

But, Christi, my question is this, do we have to talk about it`s hard to raise the kid in this community, it seems like we didn`t have to bring it

up.

PAUL: I mean, I guess that`s part of the argument, obviously. But you know the first thing I thought of, and you did too as parents, what`s going

to happen to this little girl when she gets old enough and sees that her parents fought for this?

I get why they`re fighting for it. You are right. There is a standard that this place has to be held to, and if they don`t, you don`t want this

mistake to happen to someone else. However, this little girl is going to grow up, I would hate for her to grow up and see this and think, oh my

gosh, they didn`t want me.

PINSKY: Danine, you go, your thoughts and I`m going to Jennifer. She`s on the phone. She is the woman in question here.

Go ahead.

MANETTE: Yes, I completely disagree with that. I think she`s going to grow up and see her parents did whatever was necessary to put her in an

environment where she could nourish and feel loved and feel accepted and develop nicely. I think that was an important step that they could say,

look, honey, this happened, but we took this money and we used it to put you in this wonderful community where you have love and acceptance and

appreciation. And you can be the strongest, most self-confident person that you can be.

PINSKY: Mark?

MANETTE: I think she`ll appreciate that.

SCHACHER: I agree.

EIGLARSH: Yes, let me respond to your question -- civil lawsuits are solely about compensation. So they actually -- this is bizarre. Yes, this

clinic screwed up, but they have to prove damages. So what is the difference between a biracial child versus a white child? It`s not like I

paid for a Rolex and I got a bolex, you owe me $8,500. They`ve got to somehow figure out how they are damaged, and that becomes really awkward.

PINSKY: Well, let`s bring in Ms. Cramblett, whose child we are talking about this morning. Her attorney is with her, as well.

So, Jennifer, thank you for joining us. So you say you`re not angry, but you want to hold the sperm bank accountable. Is that accurate?

JENNIFER CRAMBLETT, MOTHER WHO`S SUING SPERM BANK (through telephone): Yes, that`s absolutely accurate.

PINSKY: And can you answer my question? You called the town racially intolerant. My panel is really kind of supportive of your position, but

why do we have to bring that stuff up? Why can`t we just say this is a medical misadventure, I`m owed compensation and that`s that?

CRAMBLETT: What the point is, what we`re saying, I don`t feel anybody in Uniontown, Ohio is racist, nor have we had, as two women, or our mixed

child, have ever received any kind of -- anything from this community but acceptance and love. However, I want my child to be raised in a community

where she feels accepted and where she can look next to her in a classroom and see the same person sitting next to her and feel OK.

I grew up in small towns. I couldn`t come out as a gay woman, because nobody in my town was openly gay.

PINSKY: Oh, I see.

CRAMBLETT: So, I don`t want her to have to do that when she grows up. I want her to be accepted.

SCHACHER: Fair enough.

Jennifer, what kind of measures did the sperm bank take when they found out they made this mistake?

CRAMBLETT: They did nothing. When they found out, they said, I`m sorry, we can`t talk to you any longer and just literally hung up on me and have

not responded to me at all.

PAUL: What?

PINSKY: Well, that does not surprise me. Once there`s been a problem, the attorneys start talking.

EIGLARSH: It`s litigation.

PINSKY: So, it`s your experience as a child growing up in an un-accepting environment that has motivated you to make sure your child never gets

involve in anything of that sort growing up. That`s what`s behind this.

CRAMBLETT: Absolutely. I mean, you`re going into this being two women that she was going to have, you know, a battle to bridge right there.

PINSKY: Right. OK.

CRAMBLETT: But I didn`t have to go to school with her.

PINSKY: I see. I get it. I get it. Now, I get -- how much time do you have left to control? Tell me, because I`ve got - OK, we`ve got a minute

left. Your attorney is there. I wonder if he has anything he`d like to say to us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. Thanks for having us. Let me tell you briefly what this case is not about. And what the case is about. First of

all, what this case is not about. You know, the headline you could extrapolate out of this is white lesbians get black man`s sperm, file

lawsuit. OK, that`s not what this case is about at all. What this case is about is Midwest Sperm Bank committed the one mistake a sperm bank cannot

commit, OK? And on top of that, they have refused to do the right thing. By the right thing, we mean is change the policy.

EIGLARSH: How much?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much what?

PINSKY: That`s another attorney asking you a question.

(LAUGHTER)

PINSKY: That would not have come out of my mouth. I must tell you.

EIGLARSH: I`m just curious like how ...

PINSKY: Sure.

EIGLARSH: I`m asking you, it`s all about -- it`s all about writing a check. So, how much do they owe you? I`m curious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well ...

EIGLARSH: What`s the value?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure. There`s - there`s multiple values. Number one, to move to a community that is tolerant, that has biracial babies, that has

mixed marriages. You`re not going to find that in Uniontown. Uniontown is a fine town, but you`re not going to find that. You`ve got to make a move

to an area that is culturally diverse. Number one, number two, you know, I`ll tell you from a personal standpoint, my wife Stefanie and I, we have -

- blessed with three beautiful children. So, she gave birth for three kids. And we`re looking at adopting to extend our family. And I was asked

by the adopting agency, they said, Tim, would you consider a biracial baby? And I laughed, I say, what is this? A trick question? Of course, I would

They said, we asked you that question, because if you say yes, that you will take a biracial baby, you have to agree to continual counseling, to

continual education, because you are not equipped to handle the circumstances that a biracial baby will face as their life evolves.

PINSKY: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you have to agree to have this counseling through us. And what we`re asking for is compensation for that counseling for the

family. It`s a real simple thing.

PINSKY: OK, Tim, I got it. OK, thank you. Stay with us. Both Tim and Jennifer. We`ll get more of this story and the behavior bureau. They will

stay with us as I said. Later, a teacher accused of trading sex for good grades. More of the crazy teachers - more of these unpleasant teachers,

sorry, after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A white woman is suing a sperm bank for mistakenly giving her sperm from an African-American donor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I received a very small letter that said, we`re sorry for the mix-up. After a moment of panic, of O Lord, everything`s changing

on me so quickly, I knew I had to be strong. I have this child in my stomach. She`s going to know what she is, and where she came from, and how

all this happened. So that conversation was going to be had no matter what. She`s going to know that we love her unconditionally.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam and our behavior bureau. Emily, Danine and Wendy, this is the story you are tweeting about the most tonight. It`s a mixup at

a sperm bank that resulted in a Caucasian woman receiving a biracial baby that she was not anticipating. CNN did reach out to the sperm bank, but

attorneys gave no comment regarding the allegations. And Emily, you`re angry.

ROBERTS: Kind of, yes. I don`t want to necessarily get her to hang up, but I`m angry because what are the long-term ramifications on this kid? I

work with so many children who are adopted, who come from background that are different, or maybe whatever normal means these days. And they really

have a hard time figuring out who they are, especially these adolescents. When she googles herself in the future, she`s going to see that maybe her

parents absolutely do love her, don`t get me wrong, but that she was the source of them having to move? There`s a lot of concern I have for her

growing up, and a family who needs to move - or sue people so they can move in order to get her to a place where they feel safe. Everybody ...

WALSH: But Dr. Drew --

PINSKY: Wendy, hold on a second. We go to you next, but I wish the control room could put this tweet up that I have online - pet here. It`s

from Christina Watkins. And Wendy, you can respond to it, a part of your looking - it says -- she says - how come a black couple could take a

biracial baby and raise it, but a white couple can`t without counseling?

WALSH: First of all, Dr. Drew, this entire conversation is insane. You know I have two biracial beautiful daughters by choice. I didn`t buy

sperm, I had sex with a black man. But I have to tell you that I don`t need any special equipment. I don`t need to be equipped to raise them in

any place. In fact, I could raise my girls in a completely homogeneous place, because the thing you need to feed children more than anything is

love. And there`s no greater gift to a homogeneous community than a little bit of diversity. So I think this woman got bonus sperm and now she`s

trying to get money for it.

PINSKY: Danine as usual is having a reaction, go ahead.

MANETTE: I`m sorry, I`m sorry, I`ve got to speak out on this. Wendy, you`re coming from a white woman`s perspective on this. I was a black

child raised in an all-white community, and it was tough. I was picked on, harassed, I felt like nobody was around.

(CROSSTALK)

MANETTE: Let me finish, okay? I went through an awful lot, and I think just like a parent that moves their child away from the freeway because

their child has asthma or a parent that moves their child into another situation that`s healthier for them, the fact that they are culturally

aware of this child`s needs to me should be celebrated and uplifted and appreciated, not criticized. Because I know what I`m talking about.

WALSH: Danine, you are talking like a black women then, I am talking like not a white woman, a Canadian woman. OK? And in Canada, where we have so

much less racism, we have such a beautiful salad bowl, where we all live. But let me say this, my children are not black. My children are

multiracial, which means that they have ingested in them all kinds of cultures and all kinds of feelings, and I live in a very diverse community.

MANETTE: Exactly. You live in a diverse community.

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WALSH: But when we go home to Canada, all their family are homogeneous. I`ve got to show you the picture of the cousins. We have 250 cousins.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Hold on, ladies. Now we`ve got into the cousins, I`ve got to step in. So I want to bring Jennifer back. Jennifer, you see the powder keg

you`re walking into. I`m sure this is not a surprise to you. But you hear the different views that are out there. And you do live in a -- here we

are in Southern California. This is a very multicultural, multiracial, and we get used to that. We assume the rest of the country is like that, I

think, and it isn`t. So what do you say about what the panelists are saying here?

CRAMBLETT: I think we were going to have that conversation with her no matter what, if we had a lawsuit or not. We were going to pick up and

move. I don`t need somebody`s money to move. However, I feel like they are the ones that made the mistake, and that they need to be held

accountable.

PINSKY: That`s -- I don`t think anybody would disagree with that. Sam, you got a point you want to make too?

SCHACHER: No, I just wanted to piggy back on that point. I think that you`re 100 percent sincere. I am with Danine and I applaud you. At the

end of the day, is this sperm bank stuck in the `70s? Why the hell are they writing things down rather than recording them electronically? Are they

going to at least change that? Do you know?

MANETTE: Right, exactly.

PINSKY: Jennifer?

CRAMBLETT: No, I mean, as of two months ago, the same sperm donors, 380 and 330, still exist.

PINSKY: But is it still hand-written or are they --

CRAMBLETT: As far as electronically, I don`t know. I don`t believe anything has been nor have they said anything.

PINSKY: And I got to remind everyone that we cannot here - CNN HLN cannot independently confirm the allegations or the issues of whether or not

they`re developing electronic records or not. We have to leave this. I`m sorry. Thank you for joining us, Jennifer. Thank you, panel.

Next up, we`re talking about teachers again. This one includes nudity, alcohol, a sex club, allegedly a picture of male genitalia, all part of the

case against this teacher accused of preying on underage students. We`re back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All my female friends are like, no, this just shouldn`t happen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Disturbing new allegations against a popular Brooklyn Tech math and science teacher have shuttered the innocence of many. 44-

year-old Sean Shaynak of East Flatbush, Brooklyn, was initially arrested in August for allegedly sending an explicit picture to a student. But a

further investigation revealed he allegedly preyed upon six girls between the ages of 13 and 19. In a new indictment released Tuesday, Shaynak

allegedly performed a sex act on an 18-year-old without her consent. Took a 15-year-old to a nude beach and sent nude photos, among other charges.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To hear that from someone who people really loved is actually shocking.

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PINSKY: I am back with Anahita, Danine, Jason Ellis joins us from Sirius XM Radio. This 44-year-old teacher was busted after allegedly sending a

selfie, so to speak, of his penis, to a 16-year-old student. According to the district attorney, he sent the photo via Snapchat; the teen then saved

the image. Jason, I`m having actually trouble getting my head around this, because A, this is apparently a teacher that the students loved, number

one. And B, this is so outrageous, you wonder how it could have gone unnoticed for years. How is that possible?

JASON ELLISS, SIRIUS XM RADIO: For anybody to not notice this is baffling and will stay that way to me. I cannot believe that that didn`t come out

sooner. For me, for people to do stuff like this just seems like there`s - - there should be such a more serious thing. As a person who has been through this on almost every level unfortunately, to get back from this, it

takes a special person to bounce back and become a regular citizen after what they have done to you. For this guy to do this and to do it to more

than one person, I feel like it needs to be out there more, because I think the reason it didn`t come out is because maybe girls are ashamed to admit

it to other people, and that way it didn`t come out. Because maybe they think it`s their fault in some kind of way. I really - it stresses me so

much to know that these people get away with this, and a girl would not immediately tell a friend, a parent, anybody. Tell somebody. Because what

they`re doing is, there`s no coming back from it. I am a guy - I go to therapy all the time. I`ll never come back fully. I`ll never be a normal

person. Look at me. It`s just not right.

PINSKY: Can you relate to the fact that they would keep it secret, though? Compartmentalize, push it away?

(CROSSTALK)

ELLIS: Yeah. I have been in therapy for a long time now, and now I can honestly say at 42 years of age that it wasn`t my fault. But I would have

said - I would not have really -- I might have said that ten years ago -- like I`m 42. When I was 32, I still -- maybe I would tell you that it`s

not my fault, but I would say it would be 75 percent not my fault and a little bit I would say that it was still, I had it coming. I agreed to it,

I let things happen. I don`t think people realize unless it`s actually happened to you the magnitude of what it does to a human being and how

difficult it is to switch and come back to it like a normal citizen.

PINSKY: Jason, I`m so glad you made that powerful sort of testimonial. Because people think this is no big deal. They get it when it happens to

the girls. OK. But earlier in the beginning of the show, we were talking about a male that acted, participated in this sort of thing, and Jason is

here to tell you it affects you.

SEDAGHATFAR: You talked about the fact that they thought he was a cool teacher, that he hung out with the kids, he was so popular because I think

if these allegations are true, that he`s a serial pedophile. He knew how to pick his victims. He gave them cigarettes. He went to parties with

them. He knew how to build their trust. And I wouldn`t be surprised if a lot of these victims did come from dysfunctional households. They were

vulnerable. You always talk about that on your show.

PINSKY: Sam, do we know anything about that? Is there any information?

SHACHER : I do know that he was very calculating. First of all, the police have found three computer hard drives full of videos and responses and text

messages, thousands of text messages and hard-core evidence suggesting that all of these claims are true. First of all, Dr. Drew, he thinks he`s so

smart because he would be so calculating to the point where he would not have sex, actual sex acts with the students that were under the age of 17

in the fear that he would ever be pinned for statutory rape.

PINSKY: He took this one that he groomed for four months to some sort of a sex club. Crazy.

SCHACHER: Took them to nude beaches.

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PINSKY: These are all allegations.

SCHACHER: Allegedly, of course.

PINSKY: And Danine, my question to you, before we have to go to break, is, is there any way this is fabricated or any way this is being piled on in

some way or where there`s smoke, is there necessarily fire?

MANETTE: From what I understand, this guy was like taking photographs of his member and sending it like into cyber space to these girls. Once

you`ve got some evidence like that, there`s really not a whole lot else that you need. Everything else is kind of piling on, but this guy is

definitely sending inappropriate text messages and photographs to these girls. So it kind of seems like a bit of a smoking gun to me.

PINSKY: Sam, quickly. Last thought.

SCHACHER: This guy is such a dumb-ass. He thought he was so smart to use Snapchat, because he thought the photos would disappear. Well, newsflash,

buddy, you can take screen grabs like the students did before they disappear.

PINSKY: And I`ll tell you what, kids are loaded into the screen, their fingers are on the screen grab buttons before they push the Snapchat

button. A lot of people do that now. More on this after the break.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Students at Brooklyn Tech high school went to class today despite serious allegations against a teacher there. Last month,

Sean Shaynak was charged with sending an explicit picture to a 16-year-old student. When he went to court, a bombshell awaited him. He was arrested

again, indicted on 36 new charges. Prosecutors say Shaynak took a 15-year- old to a nude beach and had sex with three girls. He allegedly sent photos of his private parts to several minors, grabbed them, and gave them alcohol

and cigarettes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was inappropriate. You know, he was like a teenager. He was basically a teenager. He did everything a teenager would

do.

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PINSKY: The teacher whose photo you just saw came from Facebook. He pleaded not guilty to the charges of kidnapping, unlawful imprisonment,

criminal sexual acts, forcible touching and sexual abuse. Investigators who seized the computer, as Sam told us, and phone, allege he had

inappropriate contact with girls ages 13 to 19, starting in 2011.

Jason, I just want to thank you for speaking so vividly about your own personal experience. It really put an important focus on why we are having

this conversation. I don`t think people -- people rarely speak as vividly and as candidly as you did, and so people never get a chance to understand

the impact of this nonsense.

ELLIS: Thanks, man. I feel like sometimes because of my radio show, when I can speak about things like this, even if it is painful, I just know that

there`s at least one person out there that thinks that they`re all alone and that nobody is defending them. And as soon as you know this, as soon

as you know from somebody else credible, believe it or not, even me on my radio show. I`m a real human being, you hear me and I say it, then it

becomes real and then you know you`ve been - you`ve been done wrong. This is not right. You should stand up for yourself. Nobody should take this.

People like this shouldn`t get away with it. Women, I don`t care if it`s a guy or a girl, if you do this to somebody who is underage, the

repercussions of what they go through are enormous. And I don`t think everybody knows that.

PINSKY: And Jason, although normally you scare Anahita, tonight you gave her chills.

SEDAGHATFAR: You did. I got chills up and down my arms.

ELLIS: Well, I still think you`re really hot.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Let me ask Danine a quick question, which is do the parents of these kids, should we be holding them accountable in any way?

MANETTE: Absolutely. Absolutely. I understand that, you know, kids are very tech savvy, but parents have a lot of resources available to them.

There is a lot of spyware that parents can put on kids` cell phones and on computers that can send them text messages any time the kid sends a text

message or any time the kid sends a photograph out. There`s lots of stuff available to parents. And if you feel like your kids are involved in

something that is making them act a certain way or you`re suspicious that maybe something is going on with them that you need to know more about, do

it. I don`t care if they day it`s intrusive or whatever. It`s your kid. And you don`t want to be the one--

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s impossible, though.

MANETTE: It`s not impossible. I did it! It`s not impossible. That`s a copout.

(CROSSTALK)

MANETTE: It`s like you can`t blame your kids when they go in the wrong direction.

PINSKY: I am running out of time, I want to get quickly Samantha in here too, you still seem stunned by Jason`s testimony.

SCHACHER: Absolutely. I thank you, Jason, for speaking out, because I think you`re giving people the courage to have a voice rather than feel

ashamed. And there`s so much victim blaming out there, that we need more people like you, especially somebody like you representing the males. Like

I said earlier, too many people out there are giving the males virtual high-fives and not really realizing the damage and the repercussions.

ELLIS: You`re going to put it on the women in your life. Like, I thought that this is just acceptable.

PINSKY: Yeah.

ELLIS: The lessons, they never end for me.

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PINSKY: Traumatic reenactments. It keeps on going. So thank you, panel. Thank you, Jason. DVR us and you can go watch us any time. "Forensic

Files" up next.

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