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How Real Is Ebola Threat?; Is Sending Troops To Ebola Zone Enough?; Will Hong Kong Erupt on Deadline Day?; Can ISIS Be Defeated by Airstrikes Alone?; New Search For Missing MH-370; Infected Cameraman En Route To Omaha Medical Facility; Adrian Peterson to be Arraigned

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JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: But also, it's going to have impacts in Liberia where our troops are.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Juliette Kayyem, appreciate you joining us this evening. Thank you.

KAYYEM: Thank you.

HARLOW: And thank you all for being here. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. The next hour of NEWSROOM starts right now.

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HARLOW: Good evening, everyone. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Poppy Harlow joining you from New York.

This hour, we're fast forwarding to the week ahead and it is a big one. We'll take a look at all stories you'll be talking about and hearing about this coming week.

Let's begin with our five questions for the week ahead.

First off, Ebola in the United States. Is this a real threat or not?

The director of the CDC says he's confident there is little risk of an Ebola outbreak in Dallas. Dr. Tom Frieden says that while about 10 people are considered to be at a higher risk of developing the disease there, they are being constantly monitored. And that, he says, is how you stop this disease in its tracks.

Question number two: is the United States doing enough to contain and stop the spread of Ebola by sending troops to West Africa?

Pentagon spokesman, Rear Admiral John Kirby, said that the U.S. military could send as many as 4,000 troops to Ebola-infected countries. More than 200 troops are there now. U.S. troops will not treat patients but will help establish health facilities and medical treatment units. But should more be done here on U.S. soil?

Question number three: can the United States and its allies destroy ISIS from a distance without eyes in Syria or boots on the ground in Iraq?

More airstrikes this weekend. Nine in all against ISIS positions in both countries. A national security writer for "The Daily Beast" says having no American military officers on the ground in Syria is a problem and we have to rely too heavily on other countries for intelligence. He will join me alongside CNN military analyst in just a few moments.

Question number four: we are closely watching Hong Kong. It is Monday morning there. The streets are filled with protesters. What is going to happen?

We are just hours away from a government deadline for the protesters to clear the streets. Hong Kong's leader wants to re-open schools and get people back to work. And protesters are blocking key highways. Demonstrators want China's government to allow Hong Kong voters to choose their own candidates for Hong Kong's next election in 2017.

And finally, question number five: are search teams finally looking in the right place for missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370?

It has been seven months since the flight disappeared and crews are set to begin with the search again about 1,200 miles west of Australia. The search area is about the size of West Virginia and will focus on the floor of that deep and remote part of the South Indian Ocean.

Let's get some answers to our first question of the week. How real is the threat to Ebola? The threat of Ebola to the United States?

Joining me from Washington is Dr. Anthony Fauci. He's director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Disease.

Thank you for being here. We appreciate it.

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: Good to be with you.

HARLOW: We heard what the director of the CDC, Tom Frieden, said today, this morning on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION", talking about the fact he believes the risk of an outbreak in Dallas is very low, that they really have this contained. Those ten people that are at a higher risk, they are constantly monitoring. Do you agree?

FAUCI: I totally agree with that, and we have a track record of -- from 1976 of multiple outbreaks in Central Africa, of what the mechanisms are of containing it, and we have that capability in the United States to isolate the index case or cases, to take care of them, to protect the people who are taking care of them, and to do the contact tracing which, in fact, allows you to get the people who have come into contact, observe them over the period of time of 21 days. If they become symptomatic, you isolate them and determine if they have Ebola, and if they do, you take care of them appropriately. That will prevent outbreaks.

So, I completely agree with Dr. Tom Frieden's assessment of that. HARLOW: Well, it was very comforting, I think, for a lot of people to

hear that this morning.

Look, in the last few hours the Obama administration came out along with the CDC, saying they're considering in some major U.S. airports increasing screening. I'm wondering: (a), if you think that should happen? And, (b), a lot of us want to know what would that look like?

FAUCI: Well, that's certainly something that needs to be considered and that's what the administration is doing. What you do when you do that, you take a look. Right now, we clearly have what's called exit screening. If you or I went to Monrovia airport in Liberia and wanted to get on the plane and we had a fever or were sick, we would not be allowed to get on the plane.

The question that's being considered now and readdressed is that, should there be entry screening of some sort? That's what's on the table now and being discussed by the administration looking at the pros and cons of that. If you do implement it, what would it look like and what would be the resources that are necessary to implement it? That's the kind of thing that's being actively discussed right now.

HARLOW: And, Doctor, I also want to talk to you about Enterovirus D68. We're focusing so much on Ebola, which is very important, but also this virus affects millions of people, and we know now in just the past few days, a child has died and it's been confirmed that they died because of Enterovirus D68.

Talk to me about the threat that you think this strain is posing.

FAUCI: Well, it's a serious issue. It is an Enterovirus that is now in over 40 states. It has the capability, of course, in significant respiratory distress, particularly in children who have a propensity to having asthmatic symptoms when they get confronted with a viral infection. And that's why it can be a serious disease.

It is widespread. It is coming just at the right time. It's a virus that comes in the late summer and the early fall. We don't have a vaccine against it. There's no specific treatment.

So, it's something that health officials need to monitor and get parents to realize about how you can help your child avoid this and that is the simple things that we talk about with this kind of respiratory infection and others, frequent washing of hands, staying away from children who are clearly sick with a respiratory illness, and if your child is sick, keep the child home from school so that the child does not infect others.

HARLOW: Doctor, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

FAUCI: You're quite welcome.

HARLOW: All right. I want to bring in Anderson Cooper right now.

Anderson, thank you for being here on a Sunday evening. You just spoke with Louise who is quarantined right now --

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Right.

HARLOW: -- and she is the mother of the son that she has along with Thomas Duncan. I know you spoke with her earlier in the week.

COOPER: Right.

HARLOW: And now, this is an exclusive interview. You're the only one who's been able to speak with her from quarantine. How's she doing?

COOPER: Yes, I spoke to her when she was quarantined in her apartment and that was she revealed the sheets Thomas Duncan had used, the towels were all still in the apartment. That's been cleared out. She's been moved from that apartment, along with her child and two nephews who are also exposed to Thomas Duncan. She also has another daughter who's 35, who is being quarantined, she says, in another apartment because she had also exposure to Thomas Duncan.

She says for herself, she's doing OK. She's obviously very upset, though, at -- she has heard that Thomas Duncan has taken a turn for the worst.

HARLOW: Critical.

COOPER: That she says she is no longer able to speak to him for the last two days. The hospital will not allow her to communicate with him because she's not a direct family member.

HARLOW: Even a phone call?

COOPER: No, she's not been able to speak to him on the phone. She had her son, the child of Thomas Duncan who's in college, on behalf of her call to get an update on Thomas Duncan. And she's very thankful for all the doctors' efforts. But she clearly believes that somehow more could be done and she doesn't --

HARLOW: More could be done for him?

COOPER: For Thomas Duncan. She doesn't quite understand why American missionaries who got sick in Liberia and were flown back here, they received the ZMapp, the serum. I was in the opposition trying to explain to her that the U.S. government is saying there's no more of this serum.

HARLOW: Right.

COOPER: It's going to take several months in fact for it. She heard the news about the NBC cameraman being flown back here. She seemed to believe, perhaps, that he was receiving some sort of different treatment than Thomas Duncan was receiving.

HARLOW: That's tough.

COOPER: That is -- yes, and obviously so that raises all sorts of concerns for her. And she's also furious with the president of Liberia to say the least, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, who the other day made a statement saying that Thomas Duncan could be prosecuted if he returns to Liberia, if in fact, he lied on his form coming out.

HARLOW: Is she angry because she said, look, I mean, he's fighting for his life right now. That's not what you say at this point in time.

COOPER: That's one of her points. This is the president of Liberia. She should have been appealing publicly for the U.S. to help one of her citizens. Any talk about prosecution can come later.

She also doesn't have any -- she says she has no knowledge of whether or not Thomas Duncan was in contact with anybody who had Ebola or helped somebody who had Ebola. There was a report that according to people in Liberia, he had driven his pregnant sister-in-law who was positive for Ebola and the president of Liberia said perhaps he lied to get out.

But she's also saying that the reason he came to the United States, because there are a lot of people who believe maybe he realized he was exposed, came to the United States for help.

HARLOW: For help.

COOPER: She is insisting that he was invited by her son to her son's graduation from college and invited back in April. The visa didn't come through. She says -- again, this is all according to Louise -- until July 25th when he got his visa and couldn't afford a ticket until now. So, that's why he came now. He missed the graduation but wanted to see his son.

HARLOW: OK, going back to the treatment. We were asking the same thing to our reporters on the ground -- has Mr. Duncan been given ZMapp, that not approved treatment that were believed to have maybe helped those other missionaries and our reporters were told he's been given every option on the table, not specifically whether or not he's been giving a chance to take that.

The NIH has said we're completely out of it. We don't have more of it.

Has she said how she and the others in quarantine are doing? Because the question is, have they developed any symptoms?

COOPER: Right, she says she's feeling OK.

HARLOW: Nothing.

COOPER: That she hasn't felt any symptoms. She says she continues to take her temperature repeatedly. The other day she said every hour. She said she's still doing that, taking the temperature of the kids who are with her as well. And that she's feeling fine.

You know, she's very concerned about, you know, she's a person of strong faith so she says she's praying very much. But that if she gets out and does not test positive for Ebola, which certainly obviously she hopes, she's afraid people are going to start treating her and pointing fingers at her.

HARLOW: You can understand why.

COOPER: Absolutely.

HARLOW: Quickly before we let you go, does she have anything to say about how she believes officials in Dallas handled the whole situation?

COOPER: You know, she still doesn't understand, nor does really anybody exactly, why it was he was released from the hospital the first time around though they'd been informed according to Louise that he had just come from Liberia. That didn't seem to register with them. (AUDIO GAP) the doctors.

She's not -- you know, she's thankful. She's been receiving some food. She says she's going to get a television tomorrow to at least help pass the time while they're stuck in quarantine for these 21 days.

But, you know, and she's concerned about the idea of Thomas being prosecuted. She really hopes the attention continues to be on treating him, saving his life.

HARLOW: Sure.

COOPER: And then all that stuff can be dealt with down the road she says.

HARLOW: Sure. Absolutely. We'll hear the whole interview on your show tomorrow night, I assume?

COOPER: Yes.

HARLOW: Thank you, Anderson, for coming in.

COOPER: Thanks.

HARLOW: We appreciate it.

Again, be sure to watch "ANDERSON COOPER 360" tomorrow morning, Monday night 8:00 p.m. Eastern. The full interview with Louise will air there.

Fascinating stuff. Thank you. I'm glad she's doing all right.

All right. Coming up next on the program, can the United States lead the fight against ISIS from a distance, without eyes in Syria, or boots on the ground in Iraq? How successful can that be? We'll discuss, next.

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HARLOW: Welcome back to the program. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. As Americans watch for news on the Dallas Ebola patient, Mr. Thomas

Duncan, many people want to know, what is the U.S. government doing to prevent an outbreak here on U.S. soil?

Let's bring back in Dr. Anthony Fauci and our CNN military analyst, Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona.

Thank you both for being here.

Dr. Fauci, let me begin with you.

Looking at what the United States is dong in West Africa, preparing to send up to 4,000 troops -- do you believe that is enough and do you believe that is absolutely the right call, that those troops are needed to handle the logistics, getting more hospital beds set up, making sure things are working better to treat those patients?

FAUCI: I'm -- I was very pleased to hear when the president announced that he was going to be sending 3,000 to 4,000 troops. They are absolutely essential. What we need is that command and control and the organization, logistics, the ability to set up hospitals that our military can do better than anyone else. So, it's going to be a very important advance in our ability to do what we need to do to get the epidemic under control in West Africa.

So, it's a very good thing that this is happening and I'm very pleased to hear that.

HARLOW: Colonel Francona, I've heard mixed thoughts from people telling me, why are we sending U.S. troops? Are we putting U.S. troops in harm's way?

You've got to think the answer would be: no, because they wouldn't send them with the risk of bringing it back. But how do we know?

LT. COL. RICK FRANCONA (RET), CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Well, they're going to take all the precautions they can. And from what I understand, they're not going to be really in contact with any Ebola patients. They're going to be there as the doctor said doing the logistics and providing the support. And they do bring a lot of support.

We train to do this humanitarian stuff all the time. In fact, many reserve and guard units when they do their annual training, they go to Africa and build something. So, we're very practiced in this. And we do have the capability to move a lot of things to places where there is nothing and build things.

HARLOW: Right. Do you think 4,000 troops is the right number? How do you determine the right number?

FRANCONA: Well, it's a start. If they need more, of course, we can always mobilize more. We have a tremendous capability and much of the talent that's going to be utilized for this, lives in the reserves and guards. So, they can be called up if necessary to meet these humanitarian needs. HARLOW: Doctor, what do you think is need most in West Africa that

those U.S. troops can indeed bring? I mean, as you heard Colonel Francona say, they're likely not going to be interacting with these people, but is it really the fact that the infrastructure, the system for treating these people isn't strong enough?

FAUCI: Yes, it's hospital beds. There's a dramatic lack of hospital beds there. There are people coming to the, what we call the Ebola treatment units, the ETUs, without the capability of being admitted. So, the plan is to get at least 1,700 bed units set up and the military will be directly involved in doing that. Once we get those beds set up, we'll be able to much better take care of patients who are now being turned away because there's no room in the units that are there.

HARLOW: Do you think it took too long to get U.S. troops over there?

FAUCI: No, I don't think so. I mean, obviously one can only say this epidemic is raging, why didn't anybody do anything sooner? I think what's important is the president really clearly stated when he addressed the U.N., no one nation is going to be able to stop this epidemic. It's going to require the community of nations throughout the world to do that.

We're stepping to the plate with a big advance with our military. The CDC has the largest contingent they've ever sent anywhere to West Africa, as has USAID. So, we're doing a lot. We just need other nations to get involved also.

HARLOW: Well, that's the point world health organization has made is, look, a lot of you other nations really need to step up. This is ballooning.

Thank you, both. We appreciate it. Colonel Francona and Dr. Fauci, thank you.

Meantime, the story we're watching closely in Hong Kong. Police there have told protesters, move out by Monday morning which is now in Hong Kong, or we'll move you out by force.

Well, as I said, it is Monday morning. The streets are continuing to be filled with protesters. What is next? We're going to take you live to Hong Kong for a report on that.

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HARLOW: Welcome back. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York.

And we are back with our fast forward look at the week ahead.

Big question: will Hong Kong erupt on deadline day? We are fast- approaching the government deadline there for protesters to clear the streets. Hong Kong's leader wants to re-open schools, government buildings, get people back to work. Protesters have been blocking key highways for more than a week now. Those demonstrators want China's government to allow Hong Kong voters

to choose their own candidate for the next election in 2017. But Beijing says, nope, we have to vet all of them first. That is why they are protesting.

Let's go straight to Hong Kong. We have senior international correspondent Ivan Watson and our Andrew Stevens, both of them on the ground.

Gentlemen, thank you for being here. I know you've been covering this story throughout.

Let me begin with you, Ivan. What are you seeing on the ground? Because this deadline is here and the streets still look full.

IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Well, dawn is breaking here. It's 6:20 in the morning. I'm at the biggest encampment of the protesters in the Admiralty District. If doesn't look like anybody is going anywhere anytime soon.

There have been some contradictory statements coming from some of the protest leaders, some of the student leaders. Some of them calling for a pullback from some other locations, perhaps the one that Andrew's at in the city.

And on the flip side, you get some of the rank-and-file protesters who say, no, we're not going to go anywhere. At issue is whether or not the protesters will allow government workers to go to government offices in a building right next to where I'm standing. Student protest leaders saying, yes, we're going to let those people through.

So, that's something to watch closely. Some of the students I've spoken to seem a bit demoralized. There's been eight days of sleeping out on the asphalt.

And though there are still idealistic signs like the umbrella man here with that umbrella, the symbol of this kind of uprising, on the other hand, some people quite tired and saying, well, you know, a lot of our friends who have been here for the past week have started to go home. They're just tired. And they're scared that the police may come in here and that there could be violence, though we've seen no sign of that yet, Poppy.

HARLOW: That's good. Let's go to Andrew. We'll come back to you in a moment, Ivan.

To you, Andrew, where you are, you're in the Mong Kok District, what are you seeing there? And I also wonder, you know, the police have said like, this Monday, this is the deadline, we're going to move you out if you don't move. Are they physically going to carry the people out?

ANDREW STEVENS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we don't know at the moment, Poppy, but what we do know is the police are making no effort at all to enforce any of the deadline. This has been a flashpoint here in Mong Kok. It's a working class area. There have been violent confrontations between the protesters and those protesting against the protesters who say their business is being hurt.

We've been here for about four hours. It's been very, very quiet so far. I don't know if you can see behind me, but this is the main occupy site in the intersection, right in the middle of the intersection of a very, very busy shopping district. As you can see, it's reasonably crowded but not completely crowded.

But right around this intersection, there are hundreds more students sitting, sleeping, just here offering as they say their protection because of what happened a couple of nights ago when there were clashes.

Now, what they are also saying, Poppy, is they're not planning to leave at all until the demands, initial demands of this whole protest movement are met. They seem to have developed one new strategy here as a way of defusing the situation. It's only happened a couple of times.

So, when there is a lone protester coming up to shout at these students here, they all break out into singing "Happy Birthday" to them as a way to calm tensions. We've heard that about two or three times so tonight. It does seem to be calm. There's a gathering off to my left, but there is nothing really going on there.

All in all, no sign that the police are preparing to do anything. The police here in numbers, both plain clothes and uniform. There's no riot gear. They don't look like a force that is about to take action imminently.

HARLOW: All right. Andrew Stevens, we appreciate it. Ivan Watson, thank you both for your reporting throughout the night. I know it's been a long week there for you. So, thank you for the update from Hong Kong.

Coming up next: can the United States lead a fight against ISIS from a distance? Without many eyes in Syria or boots on the ground in Iraq, what does that look like? We'll talk about it, next.

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Looking ahead to the coming week, we are asking, can the U.S.-led coalition take out the violent militant group ISIS? And how long is it going to take to really degrade and destroy ISIS? With airstrikes and long distance missile attacks alone, is that going to do it? Is it going to be enough?

American and allied pilots flew today and yesterday, bombing those ISIS targets in Syria and in Iraq. President Obama promises, continues to say no American boots on the ground. So far, there are none beyond those military advisers that are on the ground in Iraq.

Let's discuss this with two experts, Eli Lake is the senior national security correspondent for the "Daily Beast." Also with me again is our military analyst Colonel Rick Francona.

Let me begin with you, Eli. You wrote a fascinating piece, an exclusive piece in the "Daily Beast," talking about the fact that the Special Ops Forces had this intelligence, they had these what are called target packages where we could strike in Iraq and Syria to combat ISIS. But then that that was never taken to the president, never taken to the White House back in June, July, because they just thought President Obama is never going to do this?

ELI LAKE, SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, THE DAILY BEAST: Pretty much that's -- I mean, at the time, Obama's policy was not even airstrikes inside of Iraq. So the sense was that they had collected very good intelligence on this group of senior al Qaeda planners that have been identified as the Khorasan Group.

There was a lot of concern at the time about a specific plot using nonmetallic bombs against airliners that would be flying from European countries, from the Middle East into the United States. Those airlines were warned, but there was no kind of kinetic action that was taken. After that warning, I've reported in this piece, there was a sense that basically the group that we were monitoring throughout their communications, and they went dark for a while, and they could get even more -- kind of raising the level of concern even more in the U.S. intelligence community.

HARLOW: Do you see this, Eli, as a failure in U.S. intelligence? Or a lack of communication? Or just an unwillingness to share these things?

LAKE: No, I think that this reflects the fact that President Obama in his State of the Union for 2014 talked about getting America off of a war footing.

HARLOW: Right.

LAKE: And nonetheless -- and that was the policy, but nonetheless, there were still very serious threats and now that we are into the fall of 2014, America is very much back on that war footing, but at the end of June and the beginning of July, the White House was still not on the war footing but that didn't mean our war fighters weren't -- they were still on that war footing.

HARLOW: So let's bring in Colonel Francona to this discussion. And feel free to ask him any questions you might have.

LT. COL. RICK FRANCONA, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Yes, I -- this is an excellent point.

HARLOW: Would this change the game? Would this have changed the game?

FRANCONA: Well, it has -- HARLOW: Had it allowed ISIS to advance?

FRANCONA: It has changed the game because what has happened, as Eli says, and this happens a lot. And this is the dilemma you have in intelligence and your duty to warn. So if you issue a warning, you're probably compromising your sources and methods. And once you do that, then whoever you're listening and monitoring, they change their communications methods. They change their codes, whatever they're using. So then you lose that source of intelligence. That's always the threat.

So, you know, we probably have lost a valuable source of intelligence, but you have a duty to warn.

HARLOW: We heard the president in his "60 Minutes" interview last Sunday say, look, basically say, there was a breakdown in intelligence when it -- when it comes to ISIS.

FRANCONA: There was a lot of pushback from the intelligence community on that. I was --

HARLOW: And absolutely there was because you can go back to Congress hearings.

FRANCONA: Yes.

HARLOW: And you can -- you can hear some of these warnings.

FRANCONA: Yes. I received a lot of e-mails from my former colleagues and they said, no, no, that's not the case. We have been warning, we've been warning, we've been warning, it's just not been listened to.

HARLOW: Eli, what is your takeaway from this moving forward, now that we clearly are on a different path in this country in terms of our battle against ISIS? These airstrikes in Iraq, in Syria. We have this whole coalition formed. Aiding us in that. Do you think that the intelligence community in terms of communicating

that with the White House this has changed?

LAKE: Well, I mean, I think that the leadership of the intelligence community, you know, had given the president enough of a kind of plausible sense. I mean, there was an interview that James Clapper gave where he talked about how intelligence community underestimated the will to fight for ISIS. A lot of other people that I talked to said that, you know, James Clapper can say that, and he's an honorable man, but that does not reflect the reality.

There were plenty of warnings, public warnings as well as classified briefings that CNN and others like myself have reported on that have said this ISIS group is gaining territory, they're going to want to show that they can gain even more territory. People who followed the story for a long time, you know, can kind of point to very specific incidents over the last year or more where this was -- you know, red flags were being raised. But, you know, that said, the president is clearly committed at this

point. He said it himself. Not to degrade, but to destroy ISIS. The question now is will he -- will the means, especially since a lot of our local partners may not be as prepared to do that as the United States is.

HARLOW: Right. Well -- and this is the question we're posing. Can airstrikes alone do it?

To you, Col. Francona, A, do you believe they can? And B, what kind of intelligence does the United States have inside Syria? We have the military advisers in Iraq. Maybe no one we know of in Syria, but we've got to have some.

FRANCONA: Yes. I don't think that we're going to be able to do this with air alone. Somewhere along the line you're going to have boots on the ground. And we can argue about whose boots it's going to be. I maintain that it's probably going to end up being American boots because I don't think anybody else is going to sign up to do this.

As far as the intelligence goes, well, we've got -- we've been flying manned and unmanned reconnaissance flights over Syria since June. We've got the signal intelligence Eli was talking about. What we're missing really in Syria is human intelligence on the ground. We can rely on our partners for that and maybe working with the Free Syrian Army, but it is a real problem.

HARLOW: Appreciate the expertise, Colonel Francona, Eli Lake. Fascinating story. Go check it out on the "Daily Beast."

Thank you, both, gentlemen.

Coming up next after a quick break, the search for a missing Malaysian passenger plane. MH-370. You know all about this and it is about to begin again. This time in a new very big area.

Why do officials believe they finally have the right place? We'll explain, next.

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HARLOW: Seven months, that is how long it has been since Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanished on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Seven months of anguish for the loved ones of those 239 passengers on board. And now the search begins again. Crews will rely on a newly mapped area of the South Indian Ocean floor, about 1200 miles west of Australia.

Joining me now to talk about it, if this map is going to make a difference this time, if it's going to help, David Gallo, director of Special Projects at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute.

Thank you for being here, sir. We appreciate it.

DAVID GALLO, DIR. OF SPECIAL PROJECTS, WOODS HOLE OCEANOGRAPHIC INSTITUTION: OK. Poppy, happy to be here. HARLOW: When you looked at this map, it took four months, a lot of

resources to create the map of the ocean floor which we did not have before to use in this search. Is it time and money well spent? Do you think it's going to make a difference?

GALLO: Yes, it's very well spent. I mean, the next phase is going to involve doing some very detailed searching in that haystack that is the search area, and they're going to be towing some very sophisticated equipment and the last thing you want to do is to run into the side of an underwater mountain or to not know how deep it is. It may exceed the depth of the vehicle. So they need this kind of detail to actually get out there and do the next phase.

HARLOW: Do you know are they going to be using different equipment this time than they used before? Those pinger locaters, et cetera. Are they using anything more sophisticated now?

GALLO: Yes, Poppy, this is not so much -- that was a different type of thing altogether to try to listen to and go to the sound of a pinger.

HARLOW: Right.

GALLO: This is actually making pings, yourself, with side scan sonar devices, underwater searching devices that will be towed beneath the ship. And they'll make a sort of an image of the bottom. So they're going to be basically mowing the lawn for up to a year's time back and forth across the sea floor trying to pick up that aircraft.

HARLOW: Wow. You were one of the first scientists to really explore the depths of the ocean and the surfaces and to help map this. What are the major obstacles? Because you mentioned bumping into mountains on the ocean floor. And I don't think people always think that it really is incredibly rough terrain down there.

GALLO: Yes, I think that was interesting to see how surprised people were that there were the greatest mountain range on earth is beneath the sea, the greatest valley is beneath the sea. Underwater rivers, lakes, waterfalls, volcanoes, earthquakes, all the landslides. So -- all that stuff is fairly routine to us. And in the scientific world, we go to those depths fairly routinely.

But in this case it's different. It's not just a matter of going down there and doing a scientific a bit of work, it's actually looking for something in particular, so they've got to be able to not only map the background, the rocks and the hills and the valleys, but they've got to pick out the things that don't fit inside. The bits of an aircraft.

HARLOW: Right. Well, I think what is just so shocking to all of us is that we have not found one single piece of debris. Seven months, not one piece of debris. Does that shock you?

GALLO: Yes, it's beginning to shock a lot of people, I think, in my world, and, you know, it's very sad because I keep thinking about this -- the agony of the families and loved ones of those -- of the passengers of that plane have been going through this for seven months. And you know, almost every conversation that I have had ends up with so what do you think really happened?

And that's disturbing, and you know, we can't let a conspiracy creep in. We've got to give the teams out there the confidence, our confidence in them that they've done the homework, that they're confident that the ship -- that the needle is in that haystack and then we've got to hope for the best.

HARLOW: Yes. Absolutely. We have to hope for the best. But that search, again, beginning now four months after creating that detailed map of the ocean that we certainly hope helps a lot.

Thank you so much, David, we appreciate.

GALLO: OK, Poppy.

HARLOW: All right.

Well, as Ebola continues to spread in West Africa and we have this one confirmed case now here in the United States, we're going to talk to one of the doctors working around the clock to try to find a cure. Are they close to a vaccine? Dr. James Le Duc joins us next.

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HARLOW: Just into CNN, we have learned that the freelance NBC cameraman who was diagnosed with Ebola is on his way back to the United States now. NBC News reports he left Liberia on a specially equipped plane en route to a hospital in Omaha.

Let's bring in Dr. James Le Duc, he is director at the Galveston National Laboratory at the University of Texas, the Medical Branch there.

Thank you for being here, sir. That is -- that is good news that this cameraman is going to get treatment in Omaha where they treated one of these patients before successfully. He will be the fifth person to be treated in the United States for Ebola.

Looking at what the U.S. has done thus far, do you believe that the U.S. is equipped to handle all of these cases? Because we have been told by the NIH that they don't have any more supply of that experimental drug, ZMapp.

DR. JAMES LE DUC, DIRECTOR, GALVESTON NATIONAL LABORATORY, UTMB: Yes, well, there's several aspects to your question. I think first just treating infectious disease patients is routinely done at most major hospitals across the country. So I think virtually any hospital that has an infectious disease portfolio is prepared to treat one of these patients should the need arise.

The issue of some of these experimental products, that's separate. Those aren't ready and aren't going to be ready for some time to come yet. So we have to do the best we can with what we have. HARLOW: I think one of the questions that I've certainly been asking

all week is if -- if there is no more supply of ZMapp, this drug that appears to have worked successfully, we don't know if that's what cured these Ebola patients that came into the United States, but it may have. Why wasn't that more developed right away? Does that concern you?

LE DUC: Well, this product, and the candidate vaccines and some of the drugs, these have all been in development for many, many years. It's just fortuitous that they were at an advanced stage. We were just about ready to begin clinical trials anyway with these. So we had a very limited quantity of products that were available for initial safety testing in humans.

HARLOW: Right.

LE DUC: So those are available, but the scale up to large volumes is still under way. And that's going to take some time.

HARLOW: Let's talk about what you and your team are working on. You're working on three different potential vaccines. What are they and how close are you to getting them into FDA approval process?

LE DUC: You're absolutely right. We're working on a product very similar to the monoclonal antibody, the ZMapp, that was used in some of these patients. We're also working on a new concept of drug that interferes with the way the virus replicates and the third is a vaccine that are a recombinant vaccine that appears to not only help in initial treatment but also in developing long-term protection against future infection.

So all three of these are well under way. They seem to be efficacious in laboratory animal testing and we're now poised to work with the manufacturers to get them into human clinical trials.

HARLOW: So what does that mean for the average American? How long? Are we talking months, years? How long does it take?

LE DUC: Well, it's a great question and under normal situations, it would take at the minimum of months and perhaps years. These aren't normal situations now. We're moving just as quickly as we can. But still, it's going to be months before these are available in large volume. So there's still some time, unfortunately.

HARLOW: And finally, one thing that has been talked about a lot is the CDC's response thus far. There have no doubt been hiccups, been errors made in Dallas at the hospital there, certainly.

What's your assessment in how the CDC has handled this Ebola patient and quarantining those potentially at risk in Dallas?

LE DUC: You know, this is the first important case that we've seen. And as you can imagine, there's going to be a lot of hiccups. That said, I think that the state is working quite well with the CDC officials. We're both learning from each other and working closely together to resolve problems. There's just a whole bunch of issues that come up as you work through

how to manage this case and how to do the contact tracing. A whole bunch of routine things that have to be worked through and really hadn't been thought about in detail before. So we're learning from this, and I think the nation will benefit from the experience that we all have as a result.

HARLOW: Doctor, thank you for joining us this evening. Good luck to you and your team on those three treatments. Vaccine is certainly needed. Thank you, sir.

LE DUC: Thank you very much.

HARLOW: Ahead on the program, the NFL's return to the headlines for reasons beyond football. Insights on Adrian Peterson's upcoming arraignment this week on those child abuse charges. What is going to happen? Is his football career ever going to come back? What is next for Adrian Peterson? And more broadly, for the NFL?

Also, we are just three days away from the premiere of Mike Rowe's new show here on CNN. "Someone's Got to Do It." Believe it or not, we found one job he's never done before. We'll tell you next.

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HARLOW: Looking ahead to the week in sports, in the next chapter in this NFL season string of bad off the field headlines. Suspended Minnesota Vikings player Adrian Peterson will be arraigned on Wednesday. He is charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child related to an incident where he used a switch on his 4-year-old son saying he was disciplining him.

Peterson said he is not a perfect parent. He said but I am without a doubt not a child abuser. Now it is going to be up to the judicial system.

Let's talk about this with Terence Moore. He is a sports contributor to CNN.com. Also columnist for mlb.com.

Terence, let's talk about this case. He's going to be arraigned on Wednesday. Do you think that in Texas prosecutors and the legal teams are going to be able to find a jury the prosecutors want to say that he is, indeed, a child abuser, or do you think it's going to be tough and a lot of folks are going to look at this and say, look, that is up to him, that is how he chose to discipline his child?

TERENCE MOORE, CNN.COM SPORTS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I tell you what, Poppy, to me this is a tossup because we're talking about Texas where they will execute somebody at 6:00 and then sit down and have a nice dinner a few minutes later, so I mean, who knows. But I will tell you this. I grew up in South Bend, Indiana, during the 1960s and everybody that I knew, my family, neighborhood, friends, we were all disciplined with switches.

So this has been around for a long period of time. And even back then, going to public schools in South Bend, they used paddles. And it wasn't a cultural thing in the black community. They used paddles on everybody. All right? Black and white. The difference is, back then, I can't think of anybody that had to go to the emergency room.

If you look at the pictures here with Adrian Peterson and his son.

HARLOW: Yes.

MOORE: They're horrific, so even --

HARLOW: Yes.

MOORE: It might even make a jury in Texas, you know, shudder to think this. Maybe they might even cringe.

HARLOW: You know, when you look at this in the bigger picture, of what the NFL has -- you know, how they've reacted to this. This year. That was first Adrian Peterson was playing again, then wait, no, he's not playing.

MOORE: Yes.

HARLOW: Roger Goodell coming out saying, look, we made mistakes, now we handled this, how we've handled our -- the domestic abuse cases. You told me a few weeks ago you thought Goodell was really in trouble here as commissioner.

What is your take now? Do you think that he and the NFL have led seriously to turn things around thus far?

MOORE: Well, first of all, I think Roger Goodell is in trouble because I think that video that was sent to the NFL office is going to come back and haunt him at some point. But --

HARLOW: With Ray Rice.

MOORE: The answer to your other question, I would say that he's going to be OK. I mean, the NFL is going to be OK simply because you look at today in the NFL, all the stadiums were packed. The ratings are going to be up. And an NFL official told me when all this started breaking weeks ago, what was going to happen was the NFL is going to have this big press conference which we saw with Roger Goodell, and then throw a lot of money at these different groups which they did such as for domestic violence, and then go about their business making a lot of money.

HARLOW: Well, let's see if there is, indeed, lasting change and progress made here in the NFL. We will certainly be -- we will all be watching.

Terence Moore, thank you very much, sir.

Now this. The next time someone makes you lunch, pay attention. That sandwich guy might be Mike Rowe. He came to CNN here ahead of his show's debut and we put him to work.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HARLOW: So we thought about what you could do here at CNN. We don't know if you're breaking news ready. I'm sorry. You haven't gotten that check of approval yet.

MIKE ROWE, CNN HOST: So disappointing.

HARLOW: But we do know that you can cook. You want to make us something?

ROWE: I'm a guy who can eat.

HARLOW: All right. Well, then you've got to cook to eat so let's go.

ROWE: Do you have anything, like a European husky?

HARLOW: That's a good head of hair, my friend.

ROWE: Seriously?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go.

ROWE: Sure.

HARLOW: Did you see you have a line, by the way?

ROWE: Yes, I'm all freaked out and petrified. OK. I got it. I got a line. Time to panic. All right.

If you're just joining us, I'm shaking off Jimmy's pickle. It's kind of a big day here at CNN. Big. It's my first very wrap.

HARLOW: You did an OK job.

ROWE: Yes?

HARLOW: It took about eight minutes to make the wrap.

ROWE: Yes.

HARLOW: So now I see why you have a personal chef.

ROWE: Yes.

HARLOW: Any job you won't do?

ROWE: I won't direct.

HARLOW: I'll direct.

ROWE: No kidding. How do we know when we're done, a segment like this?

HARLOW: We're done.

ROWE: Are we?

HARLOW: Thank you, Mike Rowe.

ROWE: Can we auction these off on, like, the eBay or something? Here, I want you to have them. Take my sweaty gloves.

HARLOW: Thank you.

ROWE: You guys spoil me.

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HARLOW: He was a delight. Welcome to the family, Mike Rowe. His new show "SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO IT" premieres 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, right here only on CNN.

I'm Poppy Harlow. CNN's special report "DOWNWARD SPIRAL: INSIDE THE CASE OF AARON HERNANDEZ" begins right now.