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U.S. Ebola Patient Dies; Airports Screening for Ebola; Spain Euthanizes Ebola Patient's Dog; Cameraman for NBC Treated for Ebola; Police Smash Window, Tase Passenger

Aired October 08, 2014 - 22:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour. This is CNN TONIGHT. I'm Don Lemon.

We have got Mike Rowe right here live with me.

Mike, welcome. Congratulations on your first show.

You have spent a lot of time traveling around the country. So, what are people most concerned about out there?

MIKE ROWE, "SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DO IT": What are they concerned about? Honestly, I think they're concerned about 23 hours' worth of headline news, 24 day after day. I think they're concerned about the headlines.

And I think, hopefully, with this show, we can find an hour a week to go, you know something, let's take a breath. Let's go to a hair museum, let's take in a show in Vegas. Let's find some people who are driven by their passion and not worried to death about what's going to next.

LEMON: Yes. And they're concerned about the economy, I'm sure we will agree, and jobs. You are a big proponent of that. By the way, you're standing in front of a bunch of garbage. What's going on?

ROWE: I am on a barge, Don.

I am down here on the Ohio River in Louisville on a barge run by a game named Chad who, many years ago woke up one morning and decided that the rivers were simply too polluted and littered. Nobody was cleaning it up. He somehow requisitioned a couple of barges. He and his merry band of garbage men are the self-appointed custodians of our rivers.

They have been cleaning them up for years. Tomorrow, I'm going to spend a day with them, shoot a story for the show and then move on to the next one.

LEMON: Yes. Mike Rowe will be focused on jobs here on CNN, unusual ones, some very tough ones as well. Mike Rowe, congratulations. Thank you for joining us tonight.

ROWE: Don, thanks. I will see you soon. I appreciate it.

LEMON: All right.

And, tonight, we have some breaking news for you. Fears are spreading throughout Dallas and across the country as a second possible Ebola patient is under observation in the same hospital where Thomas Eric Duncan died earlier today. It could take two days to find out whether Dallas County sheriff's deputy Michael Monnig has Ebola. He had been in the same apartment where Duncan was staying.

Meanwhile, five of this country's biggest airports are getting ready to begin stricter screening of passengers from West Africa, starting with New York's JFK on Saturday, when travelers will have their temperatures taken and be evaluated by a quarantine officer.

But will that be enough to protect America from Ebola?

Also tonight, a CNN exclusive, the shocking caught-on-camera moment when police smash a car window and use a Taser on a man in the passenger's seat. The driver's young son recording it all on his cell phone. The family, the entire family will be here tonight.

And now let's turn to breaking news on Ebola, fears that a second patient in Dallas may be infected.

CNN's Gary Tuchman live for us there tonight.

Gary, a Texas deputy may have been infected with Ebola. He was at the apartment where Thomas Duncan was staying. What do you know about that?

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Don.

This Dallas county sheriff's deputy was one of the first-responders who went to the apartment where the Ebola victim was staying. And now he is being checked for the possibility that he has Ebola in the very same hospital where Mr. Duncan was.

That all started this afternoon in the town of Frisco, Texas. This is about 30 miles north of where we are standing in Dallas, an urgent care center. This deputy, Michael Monnig, went into the urgent care center. He wasn't feeling good. He had some symptoms of Ebola. The doctors there sprung into action.

Within minutes, nine or 10 emergency vehicles were on the scene, fire trucks, ambulances. His car, the deputy's car was parked in the lot. It was cordoned off with police tape. There were 14 people inside the urgent care center. They were told not to leave because it could be contaminated.

And then he was rushed, the deputy, in an ambulance and brought to this hospital. But we can tell you tonight that authorities say there is a very low chance that this man has Ebola for a number of reasons. One, he was never with Duncan. He was with the family members in the apartment. But Duncan was already gone.

In addition, he has never been to West Africa. And also he doesn't have all the symptoms of Ebola. Finally, 48 people are being kept in contact with the medical authorities. This deputy is not one of them. A short time ago, the son of this deputy spoke out.

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LOGAN MONNIG, SON OF DEPUTY: Just kind of scared. Just want to make sure everything is OK. And just waiting to get all the facts, making sure nothing -- nothing gets blown out of proportion. But we are just waiting to see, make sure he doesn't test positive. And we're not expecting him to.

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TUCHMAN: This deputy is being test Ford Ebola. It will take a maximum of 14 days, but probably much shorter before we know for sure.

But, once again, Don, the good news, most likely, the CDC says and local authorities say he does not have Ebola.

LEMON: Gary, let's talk now about Thomas Eric Duncan, who sadly died this morning. What is the hospital saying about his death and what happens to his body?

TUCHMAN: Yes, it's very sad for everybody.

This hospital came out with a statement earlier today. I would like to read it to you: "The hospital saying he fought courageously in this battle. Our professionals, the doctors and nurses in the unit, as well as the entire Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas community are also grieving his passing. We offer the family our support and condolences at this difficult time."

We can tell you that the body of Thomas Eric Duncan is being cremated and the ashes will be given to his family -- Don.

LEMON: Gary Tuchman. Gary, thank you very much.

The first person diagnosed with Ebola in this country, Thomas Eric Duncan, died earlier today at the same Dallas hospital where Deputy Michael Monnig is a patient tonight.

So, joining me now is Pastor George Mason of the Wilshire Baptist Church. Eric Duncan's fiancee is a member of his congregation. And the church just held a memorial where the pastor revealed his last words.

Let's listen.

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PASTOR GEORGE MASON, WILSHIRE BAPTIST CHURCH: The last words that Eric Duncan said were said to a nurse. She asked him what he wanted. And he said he wanted to see his son. He was proud of his son. She asked him then where his son was. He said he was in college, where she should be. He was proud of his son.

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LEMON: Pastor George Mason joins me now.

I'm sure that was a very tough moment for you and for everyone involved. And of course our hearts are going out to you guys.

How is the family and friends. How are they doing tonight?

PASTOR GEORGE MASON, WILSHIRE BAPTIST CHURCH: Well, I can't say that I have spoken with them since the service. But I did speak with them before the service. And they were -- continue to be distraught. And it's been really trying on them.

LEMON: I'm sure the family has questions for the hospital. Do you know what they are?

MASON: Well, they do certainly have some questions for the hospital, because everybody in times like these really has what-ifs that go through their head.

They ask what they might have done, what someone else might have done, because they're wrestling with the reality of trying to accept what really is. There is of course a time for all of that. And there's going to be investigation that will take place. There isn't going to be any cover-up about that. It will be looked into.

But, right now, we are trying to help her to focus on what she can do with what she can know. And that is to look forward, to draw upon her faith, and to try to find solace there.

LEMON: And, Pastor, some of the family members are still in quarantine at an undisclosed location in Dallas. So far, are they showing any signs of Ebola, of the virus?

MASON: No, there's no signs of Ebola at this point and all the way along the way.

You have to realize every single time they take their temperature, which is twice a day, they have a new victory and a new sense of hope about that. But then they go right back to the sense of foreboding. And of course this news of Eric Duncan's death threw them into a whole lot more self-reflection abut what will be their future.

LEMON: Pastor George Mason, thank you very much.

Again, everybody is thinking abut you, you guys there, the entire community and the family. Appreciate it.

MASON: Thank you very much, Don.

LEMON: Now I want to bring in a doctor, Dr. John Carlo, an epidemiologist and a prominent Dallas doctor.

Dr. Carlo, Thomas Eric Duncan died 10 days after being admitted to the hospital. If the hospital had diagnosed him on his first emergency room visit, instead of being sent home with antibiotics. Do you think he would have been alive now? DR. JOHN CARLO, DALLAS COUNTY MEDICAL SOCIETY: Well, I don't think

so. Ebola is a deadly disease, unfortunately. And there is no treatment.

The best we can do is supportive care. I really don't think in this situation earlier admission would have made the difference.

LEMON: How much blame, if any, do you put on the hospital? You're saying you don't think it would have made a difference. But there were some things that didn't happen with protocol with this hospital.

CARLO: Well, first, I think we are right in the middle of this. What I have -- who I have spoken with at Presbyterian Hospital, they have just done an amazing job.

Keep in mind this is an emerging infection. We don't know a lot about Ebola. But they have really done a great job of supporting his care. Just really an amazing work has been done at the hospital so far. And you know I do think that they really stood up and did what was necessary.

LEMON: OK.

Dr. Carlo, that Texas deputy is under observation tonight after entering the apartment where Thomas Duncan had been living. What is the likelihood of a contact like that resulting in an infection?

CARLO: Well, this is one of the big misperceptions that we have, contacts of contacts, and when we mean that, those that are around people that may have been exposed, but are not yet showing signs and symptoms.

There is absolutely no risk of the contact of a contact becoming infected, so really minimal risk from what we are hearing.

LEMON: You have teamed up with other departments to inform the Dallas public about Ebola. So what are you hearing from parents in the community and community members there in Dallas?

CARLO: Well, of course there's a lot of questions. This is an emerging infection.

But I think the general consensus and what we are hearing is that it -- the misperception is around how Ebola is transmitted from person to person. And we know that it's blood and bodily fluids that you have to come into direct contact with. So, really, the risk is very minimal to the public.

And we are really right now trying to allay -- allay those fears and make sure people are aware to what the risk really is.

LEMON: Yes, and that's the question is, can people there really feel safe again?

Doctor, thank you very much. We appreciate you joining us here tonight on CNN. We have got much more to come on Ebola in America. Next, this

country's biggest airports ramping up screenings for passengers from West Africa. But will that stop the spread of a disease that is already here?

Also, a nurse assistant in Spain is hospitalized with Ebola. Today, authorities killed her dog, they say, to prevent the spread of the disease. But can you get Ebola from a dog? We will ask the experts coming up.

Plus, a traffic stop goes horribly wrong when a man is Tasered by police in the car with his girlfriend and his two children. The family will be here tonight exclusively.

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LEMON: Federal officials are beginning stricter screening of passengers flying in from West African countries racked by Ebola.

The screenings will start in the next few days at five of the country's major airports, including JFK right here in New York.

And that's where Jean Casarez, CNN's Jean Casarez is tonight. She joins us now.

Jean, tell us about these new Ebola screening procedures.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They were just announced today.

First of all, the CDC is saying that half of all the people that come in from Western Africa from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone land right here in JFK. So, additional screening will take place here beginning on Saturday. The other Air Force participating will be Newark, New Jersey, Chicago O'Hare, Washington Dulles and Atlanta.

And here is exactly what will happen. If you land here, you will then go to an additional screening room where, first of all, the Department of Homeland Security will look to see if you have any signs or symptoms of the Ebola virus. Then you will be asked specific questions. Where do you come? Were you around Ebola patients, an affected area?

And then your temperature will be taken with a noncontact thermometer. Now, depending upon those answers, if you have been around, if you have any signs symptoms or if you have a fever, you will go to a specific screening room where a CDC public health official will assess what to do next.

If you didn't have any symptoms, but if you have been around Ebola patients, you then will be instructed the signs and symptoms of Ebola, fever, body ache, headache. You will then be given a log where you have to take your own temperature for a number of days. And the CDC will take your contact information so they can maintain the contact with you.

Now, the CDC is saying nothing is foolproof. You are not going to have zero percent risk in this country. But they're trying to break the chain. And that comes through identification, Don.

LEMON: Yes, it certainly does. Thank you, Jean Casarez.

And those screenings will start soon. Jean Casarez at JFK Airport.

Will screenings stop the spread of Ebola or does the government need to do more?

Joining me now is Ben Ferguson, CNN political commentator and the host of "The Ben Ferguson Show," Van Jones, the co-host of "CROSSFIRE," Dr. Alexander Garza, associate dean at Saint Louis University College of Public Health and Social Justice.

Alexander, are these new measures enough? Will taking temperatures and filling out questionnaires, will that really help anything?

DR. ALEXANDER GARZA, SAINT LOUIS UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SOCIAL JUSTICE: So I really don't think it is really a question of, is it enough?

I think really the question is, are we doing as much as we can? And certainly with the addition of the screening from the incoming passengers from the affected country is another layer of security that the United States government can provide to assure the public and also to look out for any more signs of Ebola that could potentially slip through the cracks of the screening that happens overseas.

LEMON: Van Jones, it will start soon at JFK and then it's going to expand to four other major airports, Newark, Chicago, Washington Dulles, and Atlanta. Why not do all the airports as soon as possible?

VAN JONES, CO-HOST, "CROSSFIRE": Well, in some ways, you have got about 90 percent of all the people from West Africa go to those airports.

It is probably the most efficient way to do it. I do want to point out though that this is probably more security theater at the end of the day than it is actual security, for a couple reasons. First of all, you can have the virus for 20 days and have no fever. So that part of it doesn't necessarily help a lot.

Also, we did this once before, 2003 with the SARS epidemic. Australia stepped up. They screened 1.8 million people. They got 794 that had a fever. None of them had SARS. So in some ways, this is a little bit of security theater. The real way to deal with SARS is to be aggressive in Africa, which this president is doing, to stop it there. This other stuff may or may not have any impact at all.

LEMON: Yes, I remember covering the SARS scare. There was a lot of hysteria around it. And I was there in Canada for weeks covering it. And not many people really came down with SARS. Unfortunately, some did. And some did die.

Ben, you are there in Dallas. You have insight on this Michael Monnig. He's the sergeant who entered the Dallas apartment where Thomas Duncan, the man who just died from Ebola, stayed. Do you know anything, do you have any knowledge of what is going on there?

BEN FERGUSON, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, a couple of things here.

I think you look at these, for example, what we're doing at the airports, it's great for public awareness maybe. But let's look at the huge debacle that the CDC has had right here in Dallas. You have a man that was told to do his job. He was told to go and serve a quarantine notice that had to be signed by the people in that apartment. He was not given anything protective to wear.

He was not given special instructions afterwards. He was not told that if he had symptoms to stay home and we will come get you so that you may not infect other people. That's where you look at this theater. I would say look at the theater that the CDC is having every day when they have press conferences in Atlanta, when you have got actual human beings that were not being monitored, people walking into the apartment to serve a quarantine notice.

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LEMON: I understand your point. But if the CDC and if health officials didn't come out and update people, we would be criticizing them for that. I understand.

FERGUSON: But what I'm saying, is, why aren't you actually doing what you are supposed to be good at, which is the people who come in contact with someone that you know has Ebola in this apartment where you are literally quarantining the people that are in there, why would you not monitor the person and give special instructions to the guy going in there?

In the first place, why should he even be put in that situation? He's a sheriff's deputy. He's not someone that understand diseases. It's not his job.

LEMON: Doctor, should he have had additional protective equipment? Everyone is calling this theater. And I have spoken to some health officials. And they say, listen, all this stuff at airports, this may -- people feel safe. It's like a placebo. That question and should he have had -- this deputy have had more protective gear on?

GARZA: I'm sorry, Don, were you coming to me?

LEMON: Yes, sir. I said Doctor.

GARZA: I'm sorry about that.

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LEMON: You are the only doctor on the panel.

GARZA: That's quite all right.

Yes, so I don't disagree with either of your guests. The probability of finding somebody coming off a plane that would fit the description for infection with Ebola is extremely low. However, it is non-zero. And it's a pretty low-risk environment. And it's a very small number of people.

And so I think for the effort that is displayed by Customs and Border Protection and CDC, it's a easy thing to do. And it is something that they can get accomplished with relatively little effort.

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LEMON: And the deputy? You think he was protected enough?

GARZA: The deputy, I don't know exactly where he was in the apartment. Everything that I have read has said he wasn't actually in the apartment, wasn't around any of the fluid and things like that.

And so you usually reserve the personal protective gear for people that are going to be actively around the infection. Otherwise, you end up having everybody in the entire surrounding area in protective gear. Let's not forget this disease has been taken care of over many decades by countries that are much poorer than the United States using the same sorts of protective gear and the same sorts of protocols, and by and large have done a good job, up until this recent outbreak.

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LEMON: All right, Doctor.

We have to go. Van and Ben, stay with us.

Doctor, thank you very much.

When we come right back, we're going to have the latest on the NBC cameraman being treated for Ebola in Nebraska. Could a special blood donation help him recover?

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LEMON: A cameraman for NBC News is being treated for Ebola at a Nebraska hospital tonight.

Ashoka Mukpo was infected while working in Liberia and was airlifted back to the U.S. on Sunday.

Joining me now is Alison Freifeld, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, where Mukpo is being treated.

Thank you for joining us this evening.

Ashoka Mukpo has now been at your hospital for three days. What is his current condition. Alison, can you hear me? Alison, can you hear me?

OK. We are having an issue with her. We are going to get back to Alison in just a moment.

We're going to continue on to talk about Thomas Eric Duncan and about other people who have been dealing with this disease. And this Ebola story has really taken a strange twist here. Health officials in Madrid have euthanized the dog that belonged to a nurse's assistant who contracted Ebola. Was it really necessary to do that?

We are going to try to got some answers now from Dan Riskin. He is the host of "Monsters Inside Me" on the Animal Planet and the author of "Is Mother Nature Trying to Kill You?" He joins me now via Skype.

Thank you for joining us, Dan. Can you hear me?

DAN RISKIN, "MONSTERS INSIDE ME": Yes, I can hear you great. Can you hear me?

LEMON: Absolutely. Thank you. Yes. And I'm glad you can.

Listen, a lot of people objected to the fact that the nurse's assistant dog, Excalibur, was euthanized. Was this an overreaction?

RISKIN: It is sad any time a pet has to be put down.

But I think in this case, it was warranted. There have been researchers who have looked at whether dogs can get this disease Ebola. And Ebola is a disease that moves between species. It probably originally came from fruit bats living in Africa. It has infected people of course, but also chimpanzees and gorillas.

And there are data that show that dogs which live in areas where there are outbreaks can also get this disease. And probably they get it from eating the corpses of animals that have died from Ebola, but also from -- and this sounds disgusting -- but from eating the vomit of people who are throwing up because of Ebola symptoms.

And since dogs can get the virus inside them, it's possible, though not proven yet, that then they could spread it onto other people. So, it's a very real risk, and I think not a risk that the people in Madrid wanted to take, because if it -- if it moved on from this dog and then carried on from there

RISKIN: ... from eating the corpses of animals that have died from Ebola, but also from -- and this sounds disgusting, but from eating the vomit of people throwing up because of Ebola symptoms. And since dogs can get the virus inside them, it's possible, though not proven yet, that then they could spread it on to other people. So it's a very real risk. And I think not a risk that the people in Madrid wanted to take.

Because if it moved on from this dog and then carried on from there, that would certainly have been the wrong call not to have taken preventative measures.

LEMON: Yes. We were talking about that. Because as you know, dogs, most of them are not very -- or many of them not discriminating about what they eat. And as you mentioned, you know, vomit, bodily fluids, all those things.

But according to the CDC, some studies show that dogs can carry the virus without showing symptoms. But human infections have not been linked to the dog. I mean, couldn't they have just quarantined the dog?

RISKIN: Well, you know, the question is how long do you quarantine the dog for? Because diseases are different when they get into different animals and they have different symptoms, you know, the 21 days that is OK for a person, if a person doesn't show symptoms after 21 days and you assume that they're OK. But, you know, with a dog it might be 40 days, or it might be longer, or it might be that when a dog gets the disease, the dog's immune system is able to kill it right away, and there's no threat at all. But the point is, we just don't know.

And so the -- what we do know is that, if you look at blood samples from dogs that live in Africa in places where there have been Ebola outbreaks, dogs in those regions show in their blood that they have had an immune response to the Ebola virus. And what that tells us is that dogs get exposed to disease and then survive.

So one possible explanation for that is that dogs can become asymptomatic carriers, or it's possible that dogs get the disease. Fight it off, and then they're completely safe. But we just don't know.

And so in this case in Madrid, where you have a dog that's obviously spent a lot of time with someone who had Ebola at a time when the person was infectious, you know that would just be something that, that would just be too big a risk for that dog to go on living. And -- and if it was put into quarantine, even after, after 100 days of quarantine you still wouldn't know for sure whether everything was safe.

LEMON: An abundance of caution is what happened. It's sad that it did have to happen. Thank you very much, Dan Riskin. The shows "Monsters Inside Me" premieres tomorrow might, 10 p.m. Eastern on Animal Planet.

Want to get back now to Alison Freifeld, who is at the hospital where Ashoka Mukpo is being treated now. He is now at your hospital. He's been there for three days. What is his current condition?

ALISON FREIFELD, HOSPITAL: Good evening. What I can tell you is he's in stable condition. He has been receiving two experimental therapies. And as I said, he's doing quite fine. He's stable.

LEMON: OK, stable.

FREIFELD: There's not much more that I can tell you in terms of his, his medical progress just because of the privacy rules.

LEMON: HIPAA laws. I understand that. But can you...

FREIFELD: Yes.

LEMON: ... would it be too soon to ask, though, is he out of the woods, or it's too early on?

FREIFELD: I think it's really too soon. We're still pretty early in the process of this disease. There are several phases to it. He's experienced the typical fever and flu-like symptoms. He, like many of the patients, has had episodes of diarrhea and, you know, there is certainly the potential for a more serious evolution of symptoms after that. We really can't say. And so I think it's still too early.

LEMON: His parents were on. And they shared a lot of information about him last night. We understand, though, that Dr. Kent Brantly, the Ebola survivor, has donated blood to Ashoka. Can you explain how Dr. Brantly's blood could help him?

FREIFELD: Yes, so Dr. Brantly is recuperated completely from Ebola. And his blood contains antibodies against the virus. And by taking some of that blood and processing it so that it's plasma component that contains the antibodies, and infusing it into Mr. Mukpo, the expectation is that those antibodies will act against the virus and limit its replication.

LEMON: Yes. I would imagine, Doctor, though...

FREIFELD: And therefore, limit the disease.

LEMON: Yes. They would have to have the same type blood, right, or did they happen to have the same blood type?

FREIFELD: Yes. And that appears to be the case, because the transfusion is ongoing as we speak. So that is what happened.

LEMON: So given the news that Thomas Eric Duncan, the first U.S. Ebola patient, has died, and they were given, you know, the same experimental drug, will Ashoka's treatment change at all?

FREIFELD: No. At this time, he's still going to get the same drug. But, in fact, it seems to be a little bit earlier in the course of his disease, as compared with Mr. Duncan's. That's what we're thinking.

But both of them will be -- Mr. Duncan and our patient, got brincidofovir, which is an anti-viral agent. And we think that that may have also interfere with replication of the virus.

LEMON: Well, we hope he's OK, Alison Freifeld, and we thank you for joining us tonight from the Nebraska medical facility. Thank you very much.

Up next, the frightening video that has gone viral. Police smash the window of a family's car during a traffic stop in Indiana and use a Taser on the man in the passenger seat. We're going to speak to the family exclusively when we come right back.

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LEMON: A lot of you have been asking me online if we're going to cover this, and we are. So I want you to take a look now at this shocking video. Police in Hammond, Indiana, smashed the glass of the passenger's side of Lisa Mahone's car after they pull her over for a seatbelt violation. Police then Taser her boyfriend, Jamal Jones, pull him out of the vehicle.

The video, shot by Lisa's 14-year-old son, Joseph, from the back seat, has gone viral. Ms. Mahone is now suing the city of Hammond and its police department. So joining me now, in this primetime exclusive, is Jamal Jones, Lisa

Mahones [SIC], and List -- her children, Janiya and Joseph, and attorney Dana Kurtz. Thank you for joining us.

So Lisa, can you please tell us where you were and how police came to stop you?

LISA MAHONE, STOPPED BY POLICE FOR SEATBELT VIOLATION: I was on 5th Avenue and 169th Street. I was driving down the street, approaching the expressway. And before I approached the expressway, I noticed the officer had another car on the side of the road.

He immediately -- I passed the officer. He immediately got into his car and raced behind me. He went from the left to the right. I didn't know which way to pull over. I thought "Oh, my God, he's pulling me over like I just robbed a bank."

So when he pulled me over, he got out of the car. And he asked me for license and insurance. I gave it to him.

LEMON: So you gave him...

L. MAHONE: I also told him that -- go ahead.

LEMON: My question is...

L. MAHONE: Go ahead.

LEMON: .. how did Jamal become implicated in this? Because police -- ended up asking Jamal, who was a passenger in the front seat, asked you for your I.D. So what happened after that, Jamal?

JAMAL JONES, BOYFRIEND OF LISA L. MAHONE: He asked me for my I.D. I didn't have it on me. And I told him I have to get it out of my book bag that's in the back of the car. So I asked my stepson to get my book bag from the back. So I could take it out and show it to him for my information. Once I got my ticket out of my book pack, he didn't want to receive it at that moment.

LEMON: So you were trying to hand it through the window. So he asked you to write it down. Write your name down on a piece of paper. And to get out of the car.

JONES: He was asking me?

LEMON: Why didn't you just get out of the car?

JONES: Once they asked my lady to get out of the vehicle, and they had their weapons drawn, she wasn't going to get out of the vehicle. I felt harm on my family, so I wasn't going to leave my family out of the car and leave them in the car when they have their weapons drawn. I felt, to protect my family I would just stay in the vehicle.

LEMON: So you were -- you were afraid, Jamal and Lisa, because the officers -- you said the officers pulled their weapons? They had their guns drawn? JONES: Yes, they had their guns drawn.

L. MAHONE: No. I was afraid -- I was initially afraid for the way he pulled me over. He pulled me over abruptly. I've never been pulled over like that by that by a police officer ever in my life.

And then, when he came to the car, the side of the car, and he asked me for my identification, he was pacing. He was moving around. He was making frowns on his face.

And I also told him, I said, "Can you please just give" -- I asked him why was I being pulled over. He told me I was being pulled over because of a seatbelt. I didn't have my seatbelt on. I said, "Well, can you please give me my seatbelt ticket, because my mom is at the hospital. And I have to go see her, because she's dying."

LEMON: Yes.

L. MAHONE: And he said, "Yes, I'll give it to you, as soon as I get the -- the passenger's identification."

So at that point, Jamal says, "I don't have any I.D." So the officer asked him to write his information down. We didn't have a pen and paper in the car. So we asked him did he have it. And he said, no. So then Jamal said -- well -- go ahead.

LEMON: And so you're saying, Jamal is saying he didn't have I.D. And you're also saying that at no point did he tell Jamal that he was -- why he was asking him for identification. Is that correct, yes or no?

L. MAHONE: No, no. He never told him why.

LEMON: OK. You called 911 from the car. Let's listen.

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L. MAHONE: No, I'm not making it worse now. I'm scared for my life. Because he just pulled a gun on us, and we don't have a gun.

All right. So, I guess he, he's looking for his information in his book bag. When he digs in his book bag, they pulled a gun out. What was the purpose of a gun?

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LEMON: OK. And so then it went on. And this is about three minutes of video that we see here. Here's what the officers are saying, the police department is saying. It was about a 13-minute stop.

They're saying that you moved your vehicle and that they said they were going to deflate your tires and put a strip in front of your tires, near the front tires. They said the passengers continued to refuse...

L. MAHONE: No.

LEMON: Hang on. I'll let you jump in.

"The passengers continued to refuse to exit the vehicle after approximately 13 minutes had elapsed and from requests by at least three different officers present at the scene to stop. Fearing the occupants of the vehicle may have possessed a weapon and seeing the passenger repeatedly reach towards the rear seat of the vehicle, the first officer then broke the passenger side window of the vehicle, and the passenger was removed from the vehicle and was placed under arrest."

JONES: No.

L. MAHONE: No, that's not how it happened. OK. What happened was, he reached for his-- he did reach for his book bag. He reached in the book bag. And he -- he grabbed a ticket out. He tried to pass the ticket out of the window to give it to the officer with his information on it. The officer did not take it.

So he gave me the ticket. And I passed it out of the sunroof window. They didn't want it. They asked -- they said they just wanted us to get out of the car.

Now, when we said no, we was not getting out of the car, that's when he went and got the spikes and put it under the tires. So I'm really nervous at this point. Why -- why are you putting spikes under my tires? I never, not once moved that vehicle.

LEMON: So do you think that you threatened that the officers should have felt threatened, because they were asking you to get identification. You said your identification was in your book bag. So do you think, Jamal, that you threatened the officers, or were you threatening in any way?

JONES: No, I had my kids with me. I wasn't aggressive at all. I told him I was going to ask him to get my book bag from the back so I could get my ticket out. He said OK. Once I -- he was -- me and the officer was looking inside my book bag for the ticket.

Once I pulled the ticket out of the book bag tried to give it to him. He didn't want it. I tried to give it to Lisa. She tried to give it to him. He still didn't want it.

LEMON: Can I ask you this?

JONES: Yes.

LEMON: Would you -- is there anything you would change? Would you get out of the car now, knowing what happened? Would you change anything about that stop?

JONES: No, no, no. No, I wouldn't. At the end of the day -- and I -- I repeat myself. Repeat myself. I have dreams about it sometimes. I would not left my family outside of that vehicle.

LEMON: Janiya, how are you doing?

JANIYA IVY, LISA'S DAUGHTER: Hi.

LEMON: Are you OK?

JANIYA IVY: I was just doing nothing. No, I'm not OK. I'm very scared.

LEMON: You're very scared, why?

JANIYA IVY: Because after they -- like got the little, got the pole and just got the window. That's when I got scared. It was so, so scary.

LEMON: And Joseph, you took the video during this incident. And -- that must have been frightening for you. What, what gave you -- the wherewithal, the courage to just continue taking the video?

JOSEPH IVY, LISA'S SON: Because that's how I know that they did wrong. They actually was wrong from the beginning from first when they stopped, just the way I pulled off and how he began. He cussed Jamal out. And he was getting very aggressive when my mom -- and then he called on backup over a seatbelt violation.

So I started videotaping it, because I knew that he was doing wrong. Then when -- when the window shattered after he hit it, I felt scared. I was scared. But that's what really gave me the courage to keep videotaping it. Because I was scared. And I knew if -- if we took this to court, we had something to fight against him. Because police have more power than us. And with the video, it shows.

LEMON: Yes. Well, you know, as we said, it's gone viral. So Joseph, thank you. Janiya, thank you. Lisa, Jamal, and also Dana Kurtz, who's the attorney.

And we understand, Jamal, that you just went back today to work for the first time, considering you said you suffered some injuries. So will you please let us know, continue to let us know what's going on. And keep us updated on this. Thank you all for joining us. OK.

JONES: Sure.

LEMON: We'll be right back.

MAHONE: Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you for having us.

LEMON: We'll be right back.

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LEMON: You just heard my interview with the Indiana family and their story of a frightening encounter with police. Unfortunately, this is just one case out of many, from the chokehold death in Staten Island, to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson. So what is going on?

So back with me now to talk about this, joining the debate, is Ben Ferguson and Van Jones.

Van, Lisa and Jamal were pulled over -- you heard their story -- for not wearing a seatbelt. What did you make of the interview?

VAN JONES, CO-HOST, "CROSSFIRE": Well, it's a very powerful interview. That little girl just broke my heart, talking about how scared she was. She will probably have ramifications for the rest of her life. And so many children of color have that. It's very hard for the mainstream society to understand the impact on a child of this kind of thing happens way too often.

One thing that hasn't been talked about, why were the police trying to get the identification of a passenger -- not the driver -- a passenger when you're pulled over only for a seatbelt violation? There's really no reason for you to be trying to get his identification in the first place.

LEMON: Here's -- here's what the police department says. They said that "Police officers who make legal traffic stops are allowed to ask passengers inside a stopped vehicle for identification, request that they exit a stopped vehicle for the officer's safety without a requirement of reasonable suspicion."

JONES: But again, they have that -- they have that right, but why would you exercise it? And the problem is that, you know, even George W. Bush's Department of Justice said that this kind of activity is negative.

LEMON: I need to get Ben in. This is excessive force. what did you think of the interview?

BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: It's real simple. If someone asks for an I.D. and you don't have it, red flags are going to go out. If it's in the back seat and you go for a backpack, they're going to be cautious.

And ultimately, if the police ask you to step outside the car, because they feel that there is something that want to make sure is OK for their safety, you do it. And you don't argue with them for 13 minutes. Because when you refuse to get out of the car, then there is reason to believe that there is something in that car that could be a threat to the officer or society, or illegal activity.

So if you want to keep your kids safe, if you want to be safe, you don't argue with the police when they ask you to step out of the car. I've been asked to step out of the car, and I never argued for 13 minutes. And when you do, this is going to be the outcome, regardless of who you are, if you argue for 13 minutes about refusing to get out of your car.

LEMON: Yes. Listen, I was in the -- this was on "AC 360" this evening before this program. I was in the green room with a police officer. And he said this particular situation, it wouldn't matter what color they are, because...

FERGUSON: Exactly.

LEMON: ... they didn't follow orders. Van, do you agree with that? I have ten seconds left. JONES: Listen, obviously, you should obey. I think people should

understand, though, why when you have this level of police violence that's being directed at African-Americans, African-Americans are getting more and more concerned and afraid.

Whether they should have obeyed or not, I think the bigger question is what can we do to have belter respect from law enforcement toward the African-American community. Because you're seeing more and more of this happening.

FERGUSON: It shouldn't be an issue of -- it shouldn't be whether or not...

LEMON: Yes, I'm...

FERGUSON: When cops ask you to get out of the car, you get out of the car.

LEMON: I'm up against a break. Ben, we will be right back. Sorry. Thank you.

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LEMON: That is it for us tonight. I'm Don Lemon. I'll see you back here tomorrow night. "AC 360" starts right now.