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Anbar Requests U.S. Ground Troops; Ebola Airport Screenings Begin Today At JFK; "Weekend Of Resistance" In St. Louis; Hagan Strikes Back Over Briefing Criticism; Turkey Not Sending Troops To Fight ISIS; Traffic Stop Outrage: Officer Sued Before; Hacked Snapchat Images Could Be Child Porn

Aired October 11, 2014 - 12:00   ET

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN ANCHOR: We have much more just ahead in the NEWSROOM. It all starts right now.

And breaking news this hour, as ISIS fighters advance on two key fronts, in Iraq and in Syria. Here's what we know as those militants advance near Baghdad. Officials from Anbar Province claim that ISIS dispatched as many as 10,000 fighters there. Iraqi officials tell CNN that the situation in Anbar, which is just 10

miles west of Baghdad, is, quote, "very bad." The Anbar Provincial Council is asking for the U.S. to send ground forces to stop the ISIS advance. Across the border in northern Syria, the situation is just as bad. Fighters claiming ISIS have been outnumbered and outgunned.

We are covering the battle against ISIS from Baghdad to the White House. Let's first begin with Ben Wedeman in Baghdad. Ben, how close to Baghdad are the ISIS fighters?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, actually, they're in Baghdad, according to Iraqi security sources. They believe there are many sleeper cells in the city, and that is why we see almost on a daily basis, one or two suicide bombings, car bombs, going off in the capitol.

But the immediate threat to Baghdad, of course, is from the outside. They're in a place at the moment, we understand, just about 8 miles from Baghdad International Airport. We were out on the Baghdad defensive perimeter the other day.

We were told by Iraqi officials there that at the moment, ISIS is just conducting hit-and-run attacks on that defensive perimeter. But really, the real danger is along the Euphrates River, just to the northwest of Baghdad, where we've seen ISIS taking, for instance, just a few days ago, the town of Hitt.

They've also, they've apparently today surrounded the town of Haditha, also on the Euphrates River. That city is particularly important because it is right near a very large dam from where much of the water from Baghdad comes.

Now, several weeks ago, U.S. and coalition airstrikes on ISIS in that area prevented the takeover of that dam. But, of course, now their hold on that area is beginning to look very shaky. We understand from the Pentagon, that they did drop supplies, ammunition, water to some beleaguered Iraqi outposts, Iraqi Army outposts in the area.

But that doesn't seem to be quite enough. As you mentioned, the Anbar Provincial Council is asking Baghdad to get American troops to deploy in Anbar, to stop the onslaught of ISIS, but the Baghdad government says they haven't received that request.

And in the past, Baghdad has been adamant about not allowing U.S. combat troops in Iraq and the Obama administration basically says the same thing. That they have no intention at this point to deploy U.S. troops here.

FEYERICK: You know, Ben, you talk about these sleeper cells, you talk about these car bombs in Baghdad. Obviously, ISIS uses terror to control people. Are they able, once they go into these towns, to actually hold them? You've got to think, Baghdad has 9 million people.

Certainly, ISIS doesn't have that many forces. How are they able to take all these different areas and then control them at the same time?

WEDEMAN: At the moment, when you speak to security officials here, people from the army, the government, there is not the impression that anybody expects ISIS to come marching into Baghdad. Not only is it a city of 9 million people, a sprawling city, but it's also a city with a Shia majority, which would be extremely difficult for ISIS to hold.

Its most fertile areas where it controls are those where there's a Sunni majority, a majority that traditionally has been alienated in recent years from the government in Baghdad. So there's not an immediate worry that somehow they're going to be taking over the Iraqi capital.

The problem is that they are increasingly present around the city, to the south, to the west, and to the north as well. So that's the real problem is, that simply they're getting awfully close to the city and close to the airport as well.

FEYERICK: All right. Ben Wedeman, certainly, a huge risk there, we appreciate it. Thank you.

And now let's bring in Erin McPike. She joins us live from the White House. Anbar Province is asking for American boots on the ground. Let's be clear, Baghdad, the capital, they say they're not making that kind of request.

So what are you hearing from the White House? Is there a different message coming out of Anbar than there is from Baghdad, for example? Are they not in sync?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Deb, essentially what we are hearing from all corners of the administration is that they are in this battle, they are in for the long haul for this fight and they realize it is going to continue to be difficult as it is now.

I want to play for you something that State Department spokeswoman, Marie Harf said just yesterday. Listen.

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MARIE HARF, DEPUTY STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESWOMAN: We didn't think that as soon as we started airstrikes and taking out their fighters and their positions and their tanks that they would just stop fighting. They've shown themselves to be brutal, aggressive. That's why we're taking the fight to them. No one thought as soon as they took airstrikes they would stop fighting.

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MCPIKE: We also heard from Deputy National Adviser Tony Blinken yesterday as well, and he said expect there to be more situations like the one in Kobani. His words were, "Expect more Kobanis." So what they are saying is that this is going to continue as they continue this fight.

Now, as we know from as the administration has been talking about this over the last month or so, their first goal was to begin reconnaissance missions and then take on a big campaign of airstrikes.

It seems as though they expected a long airstrike campaign to buy them time, but obviously, ISIS is fighting back so brutally and it is a bigger problem than they may have expected.

Because then the last step is to train Iraqi troops as well as Syrian rebels, and that was going to take months and Secretary of State John Kerry at one point said, it could take a year or years.

FEYERICK: Yes. So you really have to wonder, in looking at it all, Erin, whether in fact the administration rethinking the effectiveness of the airstrikes and whether those targeted strikes are really weakening ISIS or whether ISIS is showing a new resolve. Erin McPike at the White House for us, thank you.

And happening right now, passenger screenings for Ebola are beginning at JFK Airport in New York. It is the first of five airports that will get these enhanced screenings around the country.

Public health officials are trying to prevent another Ebola-infected person from entering the United States. Alison Kosik is following the story for us.

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ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A new line of defense in safe guarding the U.S. from the threat of Ebola. Five U.S. airports beginning today with New York's JFK International screening passengers who arrive from affected countries in West Africa.

DR. THOMAS FRIEDEN, CDC DIRECTOR: We're stepping up protection for people coming into this country and for Americans related to travel.

KOSIK: The additional protection includes checking passengers for symptoms, asking them questions about their travel history, and taking their temperatures with noncontact infrared thermometers.

FRIEDEN: We expect to see some patients with fever and that will cause some obvious and understandable concern at the airports.

KOSIK: That heightened concern already on display this week, when a U.S. Airways passenger apparently joked, "I have Ebola. You're all screwed." Un-amused, crews in full hazmat gear stepped on board before granting the all clear.

Another incident last week at Newark resulted in CDC teams boarding a United Flight after concerns a passenger was showing symptoms. Health officials now say it was not Ebola.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Of course, I'm concerned. I don't think there's anybody in the country who's not concerned about the situation with Ebola. We're not ready at the airports yet, but we will be.

KOSIK: U.S. Customs and Border Protection will take the lead conducting exams in designated areas and onsite CDC public health officer will step in at the first red flag. Officials say the overall impact of the new airport procedures should be minimal.

The CDC estimates about 150 people from Sierra Leone, Liberia, and Guinea enter the U.S. through these five airports daily. JFK is the pilot for the new process. Newark, Washington Dulles, Atlanta and Chicago O'Hare will implement measures in the coming week.

FRIEDEN: Until this outbreak is over in West Africa, whatever we do can't get the risk to zero here in the interconnected world that we live in today.

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KOSIK: And Deb, those other four airports will roll out those similar screening techniques and procedures starting this Thursday -- Deb.

FEYERICK: All right, and you have to wonder just what kind of follow up there is going to be of these passengers even if they don't present with some sort of the fever. Alison Kosik, thank you.

And folks from the nation are flocking to St. Louis. The cause, well, it's a weekend of resistance. What it's about, up next.

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FEYERICK: And a weekend resistance is happening now in St. Louis. Supporters of Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who died at the hands of a white police officer, they're trying to call attention to what they say is racial profiling and police violence nationwide.

CNN's Stephanie Elam takes us inside the rally -- Stephanie.

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Deb, we've seen a diverse group of people gathering here this morning. We've seen multi-generational. We've seen multi-racial groups coming out today. We've seen them hugging. We've seen them cleaning up the park as well.

Gathering here this morning, all in an effort to, they say, keep the focus on justice, and to remember all that has happened since Mike Brown was killed in the beginning of August.

I've seen signs saying that all lives matter. I've seen signs saying that we need more justice here and they're also talking a bit about the relationship between police forces and communities.

So the people here, while we've seen people from Ferguson and St. Louis, they're all not all people from this area. We've seen people from Oakland. There are also been people from Illinois.

I've seen people who have come from Kansas as well. All supporting the message saying that there is a problem between the relationship of communities and the police forces where they live. And that this is a nationwide problem that needs to be addressed.

And they hope by continuing through this weekend, that they can keep the focus on that issue and hopefully that there will be some change --Deb.

FEYERICK: All right, Stephanie Elam for us there in Ferguson. Thank you.

And still to come, she admits that she missed a key security briefing to attend a fundraiser instead. But now North Carolina Senator Kay Hagan, she's firing back on her critics.

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FEYERICK: Well, cocktails over national security. That's the choice that Republicans say Senator Kay Hagan made when she missed a recent classified briefing on national security issues to attend a fundraiser. Well, now the North Carolina Democrat is fighting back. Here's Dana Bash.

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DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Democrat Kay Hagan is striking back with this new ad.

ANNOUNCER: Hagan has a 98 percent voting attendance record on the Armed Services Committee.

BASH: A rapid response to her Republican opponent.

ANNOUNCER: Days later, the Armed Services Committee holds a hearing on new global threats. Senator Kay Hagan, absent.

BASH: The neck and neck North Carolina Senate race is consumed by an issue reported by CNN's Ted Barrett that Hagan missed a key Senate briefing earlier this year on threats to the U.S., including ISIS, attending a fundraiser instead.

THOM TILLIS (R), NORTH CAROLINA SENATE CANDIDATE: Senator Hagan put a cocktail fundraiser on Park Avenue ahead of a classified briefing, where these threats were being discussed.

BASH: This after news that she acknowledged missing 27 out of 49 armed services hearings for other Senate business. The reality is that lawmakers often miss briefings and hearings for lots of reasons. Hagan aides note she did attend a key hearing last month, asking a critical question.

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D), NORTH CAROLINA: Do you see the presence of radicalized westerners fighting with ISIS and the Khorasan as a threat to the U.S.?

BASH: And Hagan's GOP opponent, Thom Tillis, the speaker of the North Carolina House, has missed so much work to campaign two local papers called on him to resign.

HAGAN: I've chaired numerous counterterrorism hearings.

BASH: Still, Hagan's absence from an ISIS-related briefing strikes a sensitive core, since gruesome beheadings have made ISIS a very real voter concern. It also speaks to the voter issue of 2014, Washington not doing its job and it's playing out in campaigns all across the country.

Democrats are using it too. Listen to what Kentucky Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes told me about her opponent, GOP Senate Leader Mitch McConnell.

ALISON LUNDERGAN GRIMES (D), KENTUCKY SENATE CANDIDATE: Unlike Mitch McConnell who has been absent from nearly every committee meeting for the past five years.

BASH: Grimes is trying to deal with another big 2014 issue, Democrats dragged down by an unpopular president. But she got twisted up over a basic question, did she vote for Barack Obama?

GRIMES: I was actually in '08 a delegate for Hillary Clinton and I think that Kentuckians know I'm a Clinton Democrat through and through. I respect the sanctity of the ballot box and I know that the members of this editorial board do as well.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you're not going to answer?

GRIMES: Again, I don't think that the president is on the ballot, as much as Mitch McConnell might want him to be.

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FEYERICK: That was Dana Bash reporting. Thanks, Dana.

Well, ISIS has its grip on a town that's visible from the border with Turkey. Turkey's hearing the calls to tackle ISIS head-on. We'll go to the border next to see just how dire the situation is today.

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FEYERICK: Major developments for you on the war against ISIS, ISIS fighters are advancing on two fronts, threatening key areas in Iraq and Syria. Anbar Province, which is just west of Baghdad, is under attack.

Up to 10,000 ISIS troops have been sent from Syria and Mosul and rerouted to this particular area. Officials in Anbar are begging for the U.S. to send ground troops immediately to save the province from what they call imminent collapse.

And also in the besieged town of Kobani, Syria, which is across the border with Turkey, the situation there is described as just as dire. A fighter is claiming that ISIS has them outnumbered and outgunned.

Nick Paton Walsh is at the border with Syria -- Nick.

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: New special envoy to the Syria conflict says that there could be as many as 10,000, maybe more, civilians trapped on the other side of the Turkish-Syria border behind me in that town of Kobani.

We haven't seen ourselves from our viewpoint here evidence necessarily to that effect, but the key here is as this conflict moves so fast, who controls that border crossing behind me down there.

We're hearing from Kurdish fighters that ISIS could be as little as 800 meters away from it, and we have in fact still seen ourselves some Kurdish fighters just over towards the eastern side down there.

Suggesting ISIS are far from their goal of controlling that main exit from the civilians are effectively encircling those civilians still inside. But there is constant heavy machine gun fire and explosions during the day and the sense of a conflict in the city shifting increasingly westward.

That's key, because it's reducing the area in the northwest of the city that the Kurds still, it seems, control. There's very little exit for them to the north. The Turkish military seem to have closed the border and ISIS advancing to the west.

We could be in the closing days here, certainly, possibly less. A lot of fear, though, to work out how many civilians are trapped still inside and how many in fact can get out -- Deb.

FEYERICK: All right, Nick Paton Walsh, thank you. Some hundred thousand refugees have already fled that city. And as ISIS continues to gain ground, critics are questioning the effectiveness of the airstrikes and if they're actually worth the price tag.

CNN Cristina Alesci takes a look at the numbers.

CRISTINA ALESCI, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: The U.S. is spending millions of taxpayer dollars to destroy ISIS, and in the process, destroying millions of dollars' worth of U.S.-made military equipment.

This is equipment that the U.S. either left behind or sold to the Iraqi government during its last campaign in the region. Vehicles like Humvees that were later captured by ISIS. So now the U.S. is flying jets that cost between $22,000 and $62,000 an hour, carrying $30,000 bombs to destroy Humvees worth about $250,000, 49 in total since attacks began in August.

Some of the other targets include less expensive equipment like pickup trucks and guard towers. Not only does America have to destroy the gear, but analysts now say the U.S. may eventually have to replace it. That's so the Iraqi military can secure its own borders.

But those are future costs. Right now, the Pentagon says the U.S. is spending between $7.5 million and $10 million a day. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the $500 billion the Pentagon requested for next year's budget.

But you've got to keep in mind America is early in its campaign. If it escalates the level of its operations significantly by ramping up airstrikes and sending in 25,000 troops as some analysts recommend, the bill rises to $1.8 billion a month.

In New York, I'm Cristina Alesci.

FEYERICK: And thank you, Cristina.

I'm joined now on the phone by former U.S. ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker. He is currently the dean and executive professor at the George Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M.

And Ambassador Crocker, is it time, everybody keeps asking this, but is it time finally to consider some sort of boots on the ground to stop this advance?

RYAN CROCKER, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN (via telephone): Well, thank you for having me.

FEYERICK: Of course.

CROCKER: I think it's been clear all along, you cannot win a war against a determined opponent on the ground from the air and this is what we're seeing. At the same time, we cannot over dramatize that it's not waterloo and the battle of Gettysburg rolled into one.

It is not a strategic route. It is obviously a significant humanitarian crisis and it will be a major propaganda victory for the Islamic state if they are able to take it. What they are telling us is you can't stop us with your air campaign.

More significantly, that's what we're seeing in Anbar, Hitt, Haditha, and I think, not too far from now, the provincial capital of Kobani.

FEYERICK: And Ambassador, you know, one thing, though, are we seeing a shift in ISIS? ISIS has now rerouted a number of its forces that brought them from areas in Syria that were fighting President Bashar al-Assad's regime there.

Now they are here in Kobani. They are in the Anbar Province. Is this a shift in ISIS' strategy and it is a -- is it, essentially, a logistical shift, or is it a propaganda shift on some levels?

CROCKER: I think it's both. In Anbar, they are tightening up their lines, they are consolidating territory. They want all of Anbar. And they are well on the way to getting it.

As I said, I think it's a matter of time for Hitt, Haditha and eventually the capital of Ramani. Kobani is a propaganda fight, simply to show because all of the world's media is on this as though it were the battle of the century.

So that, for them, is propaganda. If they can show that they can take Kobani in spite of our airstrikes, they win a major propaganda victory. But, again, I just have to say, you cannot win a fight like this only from the air. You cannot do it.

Yes. Dianne Feinstein, the senator from California was right some weeks ago when she said, it takes an army to beat an army.

FEYERICK: Yes, there's no question about that. And it's going to be very interesting to see the sort of breakdown and the assessment afterwards, as to how effective these airstrikes were, and in fact, whether any ground was actually gained.

All right, Ambassador Ryan Crocker, thank you so much for us on the phone there for us.

Well, up next, did a police officer go too far?

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FEYERICK: Next, our legal guys join us to debate a lawsuit against this police officer who's accusing him of using excessive force.

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FEYERICK: Well, by now you have most likely seen the video, an Indiana police officer smashing a window and then tasing a man and pulling him out of the car, all in front of two young children in the backseat. The family is now suing the officer for excessive force.

Susan Candiotti reports that this officer has been sued before.

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Yolanda, have you seen that video?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely. My goodness, it just brings back memories.

CANDIOTTI: Yolanda Gray does more than cringe seeing this video of police smashing in a car window, after a couple stopped for not wearing seat belts.

It shows Hammond, Indiana, police using a stun gun on passenger, Jamal Jones, after he refuses to get out of his girlfriend's car during 13- minute stand-off. Two children are in the backseat. Yolanda Gray recognizes the officer shattering the window.

YOLANDA GRAY, LAWSUIT PLAINTIFF: That's the guy, the same one that tackled me, the one that busts the glass open, my gosh. The baby's crying, I heard my baby crying. She was standing in the street.

CANDIOTTI: In 2006, Gray and her family were pulled out of their car moments after leaving their driveway. No one told them why. Police ordered her husband to get out of the car. He complied.

(on camera): This is where it happened?

GRAY: This is exactly where it happened. They asked me to get out of the car. I get out of the car with my hands up and the one that tackled me came from this side of the street and as I was almost where I needed to be, he tackled me. I never saw him coming.

CANDIOTTI (voice-over): Gray says she was bruised and man handled after being put down on the street. According to court papers, police say she refused to get out of the car and when will she did started running before police tackled her.

GRAY: My eldest son jumps out of the car screaming, that's my mom, that's my mom, he was put into a chokehold, and a gun put on his head.

CANDIOTTI (on camera): And your other son?

GRAY: My other son was taken out of the car and he was handcuffed.

CANDIOTTI: Your daughter?

GRAY: My daughter, they didn't even -- no one attended to the baby.

CANDIOTTI (voice-over): It turns out, she and her lawyer say, a case of mistaken identity, police were allegedly look for a man who she says looked nothing like her husband.

Yet Gray's husband was charged with disorderly conduct, and they were both also charged with resisting an officer. She says she declined a plea offer before trial.

GRAY: They said they would give us one last chance if we would just write a letter of apology they would drop all of the charges.

CANDIOTTI (on camera): And you said?

GRAY: Absolutely not.

CANDIOTTI (voice-over): The couple was acquitted, and sued the same officer, two others, and the city on a civil rights claim. They settled out of court. So when she heard and saw the glass shattering incident a few weeks ago, it hit home.

(on camera): What kind of memories does this bring back to you?

GRAY: The most horrific memories. My kids' innocence were taken that day. CANDIOTTI: A lot of people are asking, why didn't the man just get out of the car and get out of the car might have ended the whole thing?

GRAY: I am enraged every time someone makes that comment because they have no idea. And we did everything that they asked, but the moment that we got out, that was when the horrific harassment started.

CANDIOTTI (voice-over): CNN has been unable to reach the police department for comment on the 2006 case. The officer who Gray says tackled her coincidentally the same one seen breaking the glass in this separate incident, also could not be reached.

In a statement issued this week, police said the window was broken because officers were concerned for their safety after the passenger reached for a backpack in the rear seat and refused lawful orders to get out of the car. Susan Candiotti, CNN, Hammond, Indiana.

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FEYERICK: After watching that video, it will be very difficult to get out of any car when a police officer asks you.

I want to bring in our legal guys, Avery Friedman, a civil rights attorney and law professor is in Cleveland. Richard Herman, a New York criminal defense attorney and law professor joins us from Las Vegas.

So Avery, let me ask you, the most recent case, there are two sides. The officer says Jones did not get out of the car when ordered, that he reached into the backseat. But was this excessive force in your eyes, the way he used that device to shatter the window and then he tased him in front of children.

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Well, remember also, that Deb, this is a seatbelt stop and the reality is that it's clearly excessive force. One of the standards is, does the behavior shock the conscience of the reasonable person? Of course, it does.

The second issue is proportionality. This is a seatbelt stop. And again, this wasn't instantaneous, it was 13 minutes. And I have to tell you something.

If Linda Mahon and Jamal Jones wouldn't have filed this case on their own, I would have hitchhiked to Hammond, Indiana, to bring this suit. It is really objectively outrageous and the case is going to wind up going to a federal jury.

FEYERICK: And you look at the video. That is being filmed by a child in the backseat. And Richard, you know, what's fascinating, also, about this is that the woman, Lisa, was actually on the phone with the police department saying, I am afraid, I don't want to get out of the car, here's what's going on.

So why didn't anybody intercede? And also, did this police officer even have the right to ask a passenger for his identification if this was a seatbelt stop?

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That's the thing here. I mean, how do you say, cha-ching, because at the end of the day, they're going to play a lot of money to this family.

The question is, will it be a verdict or will they settle this case? But, this was a simple seatbelt stop. They put spikes under the tires so the car couldn't get away.

They questioned the driver, they questioned the passenger, and then they asked the passenger for I.D. He says, I don't have my license. As he reaches to grab a piece of paper and wants to hand it to the officer through the window, he doesn't want to roll the window down.

They say, take the window down. He says, no, take my information, that's when they go crazy. They say they felt that they were in fear. They felt that their lives were in fear because of his actions.

Meanwhile, the driver is on the phone giving a play by play to the police. The 14-year-old daughter in the backseat is videotaping the incident and had they had the technology of image keeper going at this time, they would have had a documented GPS coordinates, time, date, everything, sent to a certified server.

I mean, it's admissible evidence here. I don't know how you get around the taping of this thing. I don't know how you get around the conduct, tasing -- it's fortunate he didn't get shot.

FEYERICK: But, Avery, what happened in Ferguson. Some people are saying, you know, that's intimidating police and police are going to sort of hold back. You do not see the police holding back in this case and they're suing the officers for malice, that they were aggressive, had no reasonable basis to question the passenger in the car. What is going on in these police officers' minds?

FRIEDMAN: Well, I think what's going on is, you have a situation where you've got too much coffee and you have too many doughnuts because that's the only reasonable explanation for the behavior. And I've got to tell you, Deb, I represent police officers, well, at least the good ones.

You don't see this. Linda Mahon was on her way to the hospital, because her mother was dying. And a good officer will actually recognize what's going on, not only stop it, but escort people to the hospital.

I've seen it time and time again. This is way out of line. I don't agree with Richard on one thing. I don't think it's about cha-ching cha-ching --

FEYERICK: No, but now it is. Now it is. Now the passengers in the car --

FRIEDMAN: -- doing justice.

FEYERICK: If there was aggressive, and it appears -- but Richard, what defense do the police officers have, given that this woman was on the phone with the police department, saying, I don't want to get out of the car, I am afraid. What does it come down to?

HERMAN: It's not going to -- that's not going to fly as a defense here. They have an obligation to listen to instructions by an officer of the law. And the fact that things have been happening in Ferguson and throughout the country are making headlines today, that doesn't give you a free pass to ignore a directive from a police officer.

So they're going to be -- I think what's going to happen is, as this case unfolds, you're going to hear that a police officers had a description of an individual that matched the description of the passenger.

And that's why they took the extra steps to get information from him. They did not need a reasonable suspicion to ask them to get out of the car, if they feared for their safety.

FEYERICK: All right, well, listen -- ultimately, ultimately, it's the images of the videotape and this videotape is actually very, very hard to work. It's very hard to hear this screams of the children. It's very hard to hear this woman saying, I am afraid. Richard Herman, Avery Friedman, thank you.

HERMAN: Nice to see you.

FEYERICK: You too. And parents, listen up, because if your teen uses a popular photo sharing app called Snapchat, yes, you're going to hear what we have to say. Hackers claim to have obtained hundreds of thousands of images and they might share them this weekend.

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FEYERICK: Cybercriminals claim that they stole hundreds of thousands of Snapchat photos and videos. Now, the primary users of the photo sharing app are teenagers and they often, believe it or not, share nude selfies that are supposed to disappear in just a few seconds.

But now the hackers could release some of those images for the world to see, perhaps even as early as this weekend. Joining us now is David Kennedy, the principle security consultant at Trusted SEC, and CNN law enforcement analyst, Tom Fuentes.

David, it's important to note that hackers broke not into Snapchat, per se, but into third party apps that make Snapchat easier to use. So it's not Snapchat. But here's the thing, aren't those images supposed to disintegrate once they're viewed? Isn't that what makes Snapchat so popular? You take it, you send it, and then it's gone?

DAVID KENNEDY, PRESIDENT/CEO, TRUSTEDSEC, LLC: That's the intention of Snapchat and why people end up using it. Unfortunately, what happens is you get developers outside of Snapchat that create code and write different applications.

And in this case, it looks like it originated from a third party called Snapsave, which is a popular site to be able to browse Snapchat through a web interface. And then hackers broke into that and stole over 100,000 videos and pictures that we see today. It's really bad.

FEYERICK: And you know, Tom, look, one of the big problems here is that the main users are 13 and 17 years old. They see this as a safe way to send racy pictures. And there are a lot of them, because if you're 13 and 17 years old, you know, your whole life is pretty much an Instagram picture. But a lot of what's expected to be leaked could contain images that are very, very inappropriate. Does this border, perhaps, on child porn?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: It absolutely does. You know, it's one thing if underaged minors are sending these messages to each other, but if it gets into a web site like Snapsave and somebody else hacks into it, or the person receiving the original message can screen save and keep an image of themselves, even though it's supposed to disintegrate on Snapchat, they can still keep it and transmit to somebody else.

And if they transmit it like that, they're transmitting child pornography, essentially especially if it becomes adults that get it. If a young girl is dating a 17-year-old or 18-year-old boy and sends a selfie like that.

And he does something else with it or sends his own back, that's transmitting child pornography and if it's an adult, they can be criminally charged.

FEYERICK: So, David, these images are expected to leak on an online forum. It's the same online forum that leaked nude celebrity photos from iCloud. Does this -- you know, does this hacking really mean that just, don't do it?

Don't take the pictures. We heard that Jennifer Lawrence, the actress, she said that putting those images online was a sex crime. Is there any such thing as privacy?

KENNEDY: Well, when you put things on technology, you have to have an expectation that there is the possibility for it to be hacked. And this isn't just a local thing in the United States. I'm actually in Malta, which is southwest of Rome in the smart city, and there are discussions here on hacking.

So it's a global problem that we see happening all over the place and it's something that if you put your information on there, even if it's something that touts being secure or that your information should be instantly deleted, you shouldn't necessarily trust it.

Because you really don't know where that information is going, what types of avenues it's going under, just don't do it on your technology or phone, do it in the privacy of your home or anywhere else.

And it's horrible what happened to Jennifer Lawrence and all the other folks out there, but you really shouldn't be putting that type of data in your phone. You should be looking at other means to transfer that.

FEYERICK: There's no question. Jennifer Lawrence said, look, she was in a committed, loving relationship and so she was sharing images of herself with her boyfriend, not with the whole world.

Tom, these cyberhackers keep coming back. They keep finding vulnerabilities that effectively exploit people. Why haven't they been caught?

FUENTES: Well, in some cases, they're closing down their web site as soon as it becomes public that they use that web site. And just the proliferation worldwide of this, it's nearly possible for the authorities to prevent hundreds of thousands of images from being transmitted from a number of web sites globally. You know, it's difficult enough to shut down Jihadi web sites, much less these type of web sites.

FEYERICK: And Jennifer Lawrence said something very interesting. She said, you know what, anybody who accessed those photographs, shame on them. Shame on them. They shouldn't be looking at those, they were private. So, anyway, Tom Fuentes, David Kennedy, we thank you.

FUENTES: You're welcome.

KENNEDY: Thank you so much. Thanks, Deborah.

FEYERICK: Of course.

Still ahead, the southern islands of Japan are getting hit by a massive drenching typhoon. How long is this typhoon going to last?

And a live look at St. Louis where protesters are marching to demand justice for Michael Brown. More details, ahead.

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FEYERICK: Well, it may no longer be a super typhoon, but Typhoon Vongfong is still massive and drenching parts of Japan including Okinawa. Meteorologist, Alexandra Steel, joins me. Alexandra, it's a slow-moving system. Is that creating concerns about flooding?

ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Absolutely. It was a super typhoon, 185, sustained, down to 85, but still, it is still quite a beast in terms of the amount of rain we're seeing and also the winds although we have seen significant structural weakening with this thing.

So that is certainly the good news. But still, already, we've seen about 9 to 13 inches of rain on Okinawa and also wind gusts to 111 miles per hour, rain accumulations for the most part, the heaviest to the west of that.

But here, we're going to watch this thing move north, move northeast, and then make its way towards Tokyo, but certainly, a lot weaker state, no question about it. The winds still pretty intense, though. We're going to see winds 50, 60, 70 miles per hour.

As we go through Monday, the axis of the winds moves north and east towards Tokyo. That's a Monday night affair. But the winds certainly, much less than what they've been and even what they are now. So there's the track.

And we're going to watch it move towards Tokyo. But certainly, we've seen a lot of weakening, Deb, but we will see and already have seen about 10 and 20 inches of rain and more wind.

FEYERICK: All right. One to watch, at least it's not a supertyphoon. Anyway, thank you. An 85-mile-an-hour wind, who thought that would be refreshing. Alexandra Steel, thank you.

Each week, we are shining a spotlight on the top ten CNN Heroes of 2014. When this week's honoree learned about the lack of access for fitness training for people with disabilities in his city, he got to work the best way he knew how. Meet Ned Norton.

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NED NORTON, HERO OF THE YEAR FINALIST: When I'm running, I feel limitless. Being in motion makes me feel free. When you're really pushing yourself, that's when you really feel alive. But there are millions of people around the world that are facing severe physical limitations.

They can't be independent. They can't live their lives. I spent years training Olympic athletes, football players, body builders. One day, a young guy, newly spinal cord injured, came to the gym asking for help. At first, I didn't know what to do, but we just worked together and we made tremendous progress.

Take a breath, reach out, reach out. Bring it back. Before you knew it, my phone rang off the hook. People asking for help. Bring it up. So I opened a gym designed to fit their needs. Ready to go to work?

For the past 25 years, I've provided strength and conditioning training for people with disabilities. Push! Stretch up. Nice job.

People come to me when they're at their lowest. Up, up, up, hold it, rack it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I feel much better now!

NORTON: You come to the gym and all of a sudden you have a natural support network.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In 1971, I broke my back and I've been in a wheelchair ever since.

NORTON: That's it, Tom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks to Ned, I keep my upper body strength at a maximum. I've been able to live a full life.

NORTON: I never worry about what they can't do. I worry about what they can do.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can do it, Ned.

NORTON: Yes, you can. Good job. I'm building them up, building them stronger so they can go out and live life like they are supposed to.