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Jodi Arias Sentencing Retrial Day 2

Aired October 22, 2014 - 20:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can have a cut to the back of the forearm, and it`s consistent with someone trying to either grab the knife or fend off

injury.

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: And can you tell with regard to gunshot wound to the right temple whether or not he was alive (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t see hemorrhage in the brain.

MARTINEZ: If you don`t see hemorrhaging or bleeding, is that an indication that the person was already dead?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He may have been.

MARTINEZ: How did he die?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Primarily blood loss.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She doesn`t deserve another happy day on this earth!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Welcome, everyone. I`m Nancy Grace. Welcome to HLN. I want to thank you for being with us. We are live tonight in day

two of the Jodi Arias death penalty sentence retrial.

Another extraordinary day in court that starts with the medical examiner on the stand under oath describing Travis Alexander`s horrific,

his savage stabbing and shooting death at the hands of his lover, Jodi Arias, this as a second juror gets the boot, thrown off the jury, and it`s

only day two. This is two jurors out.

Amazing today, as we hear the medical examiner on the stand detailing all of Travis`s injuries, and not only that, talking about all of his

defensive injuries, how he tried to fight back, chronicling how Travis Alexander died.

It`s been an extraordinary day in the courtroom, Jodi Arias locking gazes with all of the jurors throughout, many of them actually agape when

they see some of these crime scene photos.

Straight out to Valerie Paraso, KFYI anchor. Valerie -- Liz, I want to show the viewers what the jury saw today, the crime scene photos and

Travis Alexander`s wounds. And let me warn you, these are graphic.

Valerie, what happened in court?

VALERIE PARASO, KFYI (via telephone): Well, it was -- as you said, it was a very, very graphic day of testimony. They showed all of the autopsy

photos. And these were photos that were taken, you know, by the medical examiner himself, photos of his throat cut -- his windpipe was actually cut

in half -- photos of his hands with the defensive wounds, photos of his back -- really, really graphic testimony today.

GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing the crime scene photos that were seen in court today.

Matt Zarrell, so much came out in court. Please continue with our crime scene photos the jury was shown today. I want to talk about how the

medical examiner emphasized defensive wounds.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): He specifically talked about the hand injuries that you`re seeing. And he described that

Travis was conscious and in pain when these were happening, that a person would have to be conscious to sustain these defensive wounds, and that

because he was conscious, he likely suffered and he could have been helped, that the hand wounds were all defensive.

And remember, Nancy, Ryan Burns (ph) testified at the first trial that when Arias came just hours after the murder to his house, she had no

injuries. Meanwhile, a bloody Travis Alexander...

GRACE: Right there -- hold on, Matt! We are showing right now -- these are actual autopsy photos. Now, hold. What do we learn from the

wounds on Travis Alexander`s legs?

I`m going to take you straight to the medical examiner, Dr. Morrone. I hear he`s with me right now. With me, Dr. William Morrone, medical

examiner, forensic pathologist and expert joining us tonight. Dr. Morrone, the wounds that we are seeing this trial of Travis Alexander`s legs -- what

does that mean? Because this medical examiner today really honed in on Travis`s defensive wounds.

DR. WILLIAM MORRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST (via telephone): There are two kinds of defensive wounds, one where you`re

huddling or you`re pulling away, and one where you`re trying to shield and block yourself. And it looks like, on his hands, he was putting them out

to block the knife.

GRACE: Hold on, hold on, hold on! One moment. Hold on the photo, please. Doctor, I don`t know if you can see in a monitor, but we are now

showing a wound to Travis`s head.

Now, I want to talk about not only the head wound but the defensive wounds on his legs and on his hands. And very often, when I prosecuted

cases where defensive wounds manifested, that means the person is down, they`re curled up, they`re, you know, trying to fend off an attack, and the

knife is still hitting them in the legs. That`s why these are defensive wounds.

The person is holding their hands up, their hands up to their face. They`re curled up, even holding their knees up toward their chest, trying

to fend off an attack. That is how you get defensive wounds on your forearms, on your wrists, on your hands, on your legs, on your knees.

Go ahead, Dr. Morrone.

MORRONE: So his defensive wounds on his legs were from withdrawal. Exactly like you said, he curled up in a ball. He curled up in the fetal

position. Whether this was outside of the shower or inside of the shower, he was trying to pull away from the knife as it was coming down, and that`s

where it hit his ankles, his feet, his lower legs. And his defensive wounds on his hands are more blocking, and it cut his fingers and his palm.

But both sets of wounds show he was in a defensive posture.

And those leg wounds -- there`s -- you can`t block your legs with your hands. All you can do is curl up and hide and put yourself in a fetal

position and try to look for some kind of structure, or roll away. And that`s how those wounds were inflicted.

GRACE: And you can see, he`s on a blue tarp there. That`s how you know these are taken after the body has been found and the scene is being

processed. And also, if you look at the bottom of his feet, you see lividity is setting in. His blood is starting to settle in extremities.

If you turn that body over right now, the flesh that`s downward, touching the floor, that would be -- you would see blood pooling there because blood

sinks down.

OK, let`s go into the courtroom and hear what the medical examiner said.

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MARTINEZ: What are we looking at here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A side view of the neck wound, and it`s probably one of the better views to show how deep it goes.

MARTINEZ: And how deep is this wound? What is it that was cut as this knife came through?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The jugular vein and the carotid artery on the right side were both cut.

MARTINEZ: And looking at this, how deep is this wound that we have here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes all the way back to the spine. So it`s three inches, four inches.

MARTINEZ: One of the things that we know in this case is that the body was in its home for a while, or days, before it was actually

discovered. So are you -- was there any decomposition that was associated with the body? And are we looking at any in this particular photograph?

Or was it other parts of the body?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, there was a state of what we would call intermediate decomposition, or the middle stage of decomposition, and it

involved the whole body. And in this picture in particular, you can see green discoloration of the hand and also early what we call mummification

of the fingertips.

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GRACE: The same testimony was heard today, the medical examiner describing defensive wounds on Travis Alexander.

We are live at the courthouse and taking your calls. Straight out to Jamie in New Mexico. Hi, Jamie. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for taking my call. After the first trial -- I think they mentioned this, but I can`t remember. Will

this trial use the same witnesses, the same experts, or will they concentrate on certain things, and will it be shorter?

GRACE: It will be much shorter, Jamie, because remember, the first go-around, there was the guilt/innocence phase, which took the bulk of the

time of the trial. Then once that jury came back with a guilty, that same jury -- it`s called a bifurcated trial, a trial cut in two -- the same jury

decides sentencing. Well, the jury reached a guilty verdict, but they hung on sentencing. This jury is only hearing sentencing, only sentencing.

What we were talking about was what was heard in the courtroom, there, the Phoenix courthouse.

Everyone, court has just ended. For those of you on the East Coast, do the time difference. Court has just adjourned. And what we heard was a

long day of testimony, riveting testimony, about the injuries of Travis Alexander, his family sitting on the very front row. And already, their

faces are haggard, and it is just day two. Not only that, day two, a second juror has already been booted, thrown off the case.

We`re taking your calls. Billy in Florida. Hi, Billy. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, Nancy. It`s nice to talk to you again.

GRACE: Likewise.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It seems to me that what they really just need to focus on, making sure that the jury knows the gunshot was last. And it

seems to me, also, the easiest way to do that is to look at the bullet casing. This bullet casing is lying perfectly...

GRACE: Let`s see that photo, Liz, the bullet casing on top of the blood. Go ahead, Billy in Florida.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s laying on top of the blood, so cleanly. If she were to have shot him first -- and this bullet casing is on this clean

ground, and then she goes to stab him 29 times, slice his throat, stab him in the legs, fight with him, there would have been blood all over that

casing. And even if the casing would have been kicked into the blood, it would have rolled. There would have been blood on top of that casing. The

way the casing is so perfectly clean, there`s no doubt it flew out of the gun and landed flat in that deep pool of blood.

GRACE: You know, I want to follow up on what Billy in Florida is talking about. Matt Zarrell, it is so riveting to hear them go on and on,

driving home the point that she stabbed him the 29 times before she shot him -- not only because of the psychological image that it portrays. You

see him dead in the shower stall. He`s lying there, his throat slashed from ear to ear, 29 stab wounds, literally to the heart. We heard about

the stab wound to the heart today.

Then after all that, Matt, according to the prosecution, she then shoots him in the head. Now, why is it so important for the state to show

she stabbed him first?

ZARRELL: Because it was especially cruel because to sentence this person to death, you have to show that she didn`t just kill Travis

Alexander, she brutalized him, she murdered him, she killed him three times over.

And Nancy, the forensics presented by the prosecution today showed that Travis would not have been able to stand up and bleed over the sink if

he was shot first. If he was shot first, he would have instantly collapsed. All the blood on the sink suggests that Travis`s throat was

slit, and that`s the blood pouring our onto the sink, as he`s leaning over the sink, dying.

GRACE: And you know, unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Jeff Gold. Also in the courtroom today, Renee Rockwell, defense attorney out of

Atlanta, a veteran trial lawyer, has tried multiple homicide cases.

First of all, to you, Jeff Gold. We see the injuries to Travis Alexander, the defensive injuries we just laid out. That`s what we spent

the whole morning hearing, about defensive injuries and cause of death.

Then you`ve got Jodi Arias, who insists on doing this, whenever anybody will look at her, trying to suggest -- oh, there you go. Thank

you, Liz. There you -- oh, there`s the -- there`s the injury. And there you go. Thank you. Close-up -- I needed that. That`s the injury that she

shows from this life-and-death struggle, no bruises, no lacerations. It`s her finger, Jeff Gold. Thoughts?

JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, look, I mean, obviously, Dr. Horn (ph) and the type of injuries that happened and the manner that they

happened is the state`s strongest card for the death penalty. And what the defense wants to do here is muck that up, is confuse things so the jury

goes, We`re not exactly sure...

GRACE: You think that`s going to do that, Renee? You think her bending her ring finger is really going to confuse things?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Remember, it`s just going to take one juror. And if she can connect with one juror, then it`s left up to

whether she spends her life with or without the possibility of parole. So Nancy, I think that anything -- if that`s the only thing she can hold up

and engage with the jurors -- wouldn`t be my game plan, but obviously, that`s what they`re going for.

GRACE: OK, here`s the big mystery right now. The defense in opening statements promised this jury they would hear from Jodi Arias. Now, does

that necessarily mean she`s going to take the stand this go-around?

For those of you just joining us, we are live tonight, taking your calls, camped outside the Phoenix courthouse, bringing you the latest.

If she does take that gamble, are we going to hear this?

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MARTINEZ: Ma`am, if he caused that damage on January 22nd of 2008, that would have been before this picture that we have here, which is

exhibit number 453. It would have been about five months before that, right?

JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: It was before that.

MARTINEZ: Five months, right?

ARIAS: Four.

MARTINEZ: Four months, then, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

MARTINEZ: You don`t have a bent finger here in exhibit 453, do you!

ARIAS: My finger is bent there.

MARTINEZ: You`re saying that your finger is bent there.

ARIAS: Yes, just the finger.

MARTINEZ: Hold up your finger again, sideways so we can also see it.

ARIAS: My fingers are straightened. This one stays bent.

MARTINEZ: And that`s what it looks like, your finger, and you`re saying that`s what happened on January 22nd, 2008, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... do find the defendant as to count one, first degree murder, guilty.

ARIAS: If I`m found guilty, I don`t have a life.

I didn`t mean to shoot him or anything. I didn`t even think I was pulling the trigger.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But is it wrong to want the perpetrator to get the needle?

ARIAS: If I killed Travis, I would beg for the death penalty.

If I`m found guilty, what happens?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: I would be shaking in my boots right now if I had to answer to God for such a heinous crime.

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GRACE: Welcome back. We are live and taking your calls, day two of the Jodi Arias death penalty sentencing retrial. Already, just 48 hours

after the trial commenced, already two jurors have been booted off the jury.

Joining me, Beth Karas, reporter with Karasoncrime.com, in court with all of us. Beth, explain how the second juror has been thrown off.

BETH KARAS, KARASONCRIME.COM (via telephone): Well, Nancy, I`m afraid that I`m -- it`s because I reported her. And she should have been

reported. You were in court. You saw her. She sat in the front row, closest to the audience. She was juror number nine. It was her sister-in-

law who was friends with Jodi Arias when they were young. But she didn`t say she knew Jodi Arias, but her sister-in-law did.

She was outside with some of the court watchers, whom you also know. They were in court every day last year. They were congregated during the

morning recess, having a cigarette, and I was downstairs giving an interview to a local TV station, channel 12, the NBC station. I was just

asking -- answering, rather, two questions about the differences in the two trials in terms of the media presence because this trial, of course, is not

being televised and there`s a little bit less of a presence, but no less of an interest in social media. And that`s basically all I said.

I looked (INAUDIBLE) over his shoulder, and all of a sudden, I saw juror number nine. And she was standing close to the court watchers...

GRACE: Well, she`s got...

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KARAS: ... and she didn`t have her camera (ph) badge on.

GRACE: Yes, I mean, she`s got a very distinctive look. I mean, I would remember her from anywhere. And you`re right. She sits on the end

and kind of turns away from the well, where we`re all sitting, and looks up at the witness stand. And she`ll swivel around abruptly and look out, and

you get a full look at her face. I know exactly the one you`re talking about.

KARAS: I told everyone around me, Don`t say anything. I think that`s a juror. The recess was over. She walks in. I walk in a distance behind

her. I asked one of the deputies downstairs, Is that a juror in the Arias case? He said, I don`t know. But she wasn`t wearing a badge. And that

was what concerned me. I mean, she`s supposed to. You`re supposed to always identify yourself during breaks so people know you`re a juror, keep

a distance. But she came right -- she was right in that group.

So I go through security. You know what it`s like downstairs. You wait for your bag to be scanned. I`m waiting for my bag and she`s waiting

for hers, and she turns to me, Nancy, and she goes, Are you Nancy Grace? And I said, No. She said, Well, you look familiar. I said, I worked with

her. I used to work with her. And that was it, and then I let her, you know, go, get a distance, get into court.

But as soon as I confirmed and saw her in the box, I of course told the public information officer, not because she asked me if I was you.

That kind of innocuous conversation happens sometimes. But because she was right up near the court watchers, who may have been talking about the

trial, and she wasn`t wearing her badge.

GRACE: With me is Beth Karas from Beth Karas -- Karasoncrime.com. She`s been in the business and was a trial lawyer herself in the Manhattan

prosecutor`s office.

So Beth Karas, you`re right, that was an innocuous comment -- Hey, are you Nancy Grace? What is the problem with that? Why did the juror have to

be thrown off the jury? She did not want to leave the jury.

KARAS: Well, I don`t know what was in her questionnaire, right? I don`t know -- and I think there was some issue yesterday when the jurors

came in to be sworn in, and the judge said, Has any of you been exposed to media, anyone try to talk to you? I believe she was the one who said

people tried to talk to her, or she saw a headline or something. But it wasn`t any big deal.

However, you know, this -- I think because she violated the order, you know, not to have her badge on, and came very close to media and court

watchers, people she probably saw for the last two days in court, is that - - that must have concerned the court.

But I heard you in the beginning of this report. You know, two jurors in two days is not a good record (ph). They only have five more extra

jurors and several more weeks to go.

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ARIAS: I didn`t hurt Travis. I would never hurt Travis, would never harm him physically.

MARTINEZ: What is it that was cut as this knife came through?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The jugular vein and the carotid artery on the right side were both cut.

MARTINEZ: How deep is this wound?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes all the way back to the spine, so it`s three inches, four inches.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was an angry situation. The first thing you think is these people hated each other.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live tonight and taking your calls, camped outside the Phoenix courthouse. It`s day two of the Jodi

Arias death penalty retrial. And already, two jurors have been booted off the jury.

Today was spent with the medical examiner on the stand explaining all of Travis Alexander`s defensive wounds and cause of death, explicit photos

shown of Travis`s body and the crime scene, the jury actually shocked, displaying visual shock when they saw these crime scene photos.

Out to Mike Duffy, our producer, also in court today. Mike, what happened?

MIKE DUFFY, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, it was hard to take in. These photos were incredibly graphic, and when you had the family sitting

there -- and so we could gauge their reactions. And as the crime photos were shown one after the other, they just kept slumping further and further

over in their seats until they were in their laps. They were crying.

GRACE: Oh! Oh! Let me go back to Mike Duffy on this. Mike, I noticed that they are taking up two or three full rows in the front of the

courtroom, right behind Martinez and the state. And you`re right, as the hours go on in court, they start sitting up, and they go further and

further down.

And then when they stand up for a break and turn around, all the women, their faces, it looks like no makeup, they`re completely white and

drawn, with circles, and haggard. It`s the only way I can describe the way they look, haggard. They`re living through this again.

These crime scene photos, Mike Duffy, are enough for anybody to take, much less Travis`s family sitting there.

DUFFY: Yes. The crime scene photos were -- they were black. They were blue. The body was discolored. This was their son, this was their

brother. This was their family member. And they had to look at these photos the entire time.

GRACE: And it`s all juxtaposed, Dr. Morrone, against photos of Travis lying there in repose. He looks like he`s taking a nap just before he`s

slaughtered. And something about that photo I`ll never get it out of my mind. He looks so young and so innocent without his business clothes on

and he`s not at work, he`s not mugging for the camera. He looks like he`s asleep. He looks like a boy lying there, and we know it`s just moments

before he`s murdered. What is your takeaway from the testimony today, Dr. Morrone?

MORRONE: The important thing is the number of wounds. The number of wounds is complete crazy. The amount of energy that it takes to enter the

body is about the same as it would be to cut a pumpkin. And this knife is the same size. It`s about a nine or ten-inch blade. It is about two or

three inches wide. And if you were to take this knife and cut into the pumpkin, that`s about how much energy each one of those stab wounds is.

And there`s almost 30 of them. There`s over two dozen. He`s got a dozen in his back between his shoulders. The critical, fatal ones that pierced

his heart and cut his vena cava, there is just two wounds up here, and then the wounds to the head, the wounds to the hand, the wounds to the feet, and

all that energy -- 29, 30 times. That is not self-defense.

And the cutting of the neck, when he said deep, from the front all the way to the back, to the spine, through the windpipe -- that took going

through muscle, and look at that blade. Look at that blade. That blade had to go through the throat.

This is -- this is evil. It doesn`t get any more evil than this.

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ARIAS: I think I`m more focused on your posture and tone and anger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s again, the prosecutor`s fault because you perceive him to be angry, right?

ARIAS: I think that was a compound question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You just have a problem with the word confrontation.

ARIAS: That`s not how I would put it. I would put it in a different way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But that`s what you were doing, right?

ARIAS: That`s not how I would put it. I didn`t know that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s what you`re telling us, right?

ARIAS: That`s not what I said.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are we talking about?

ARIAS: We`re talking about the incident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, what is it we`re talking about here?

ARIAS: Which part, put up with?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it a good word or is it not a good word?

ARIAS: It depends on how you used it. You go in circles. Because I`m focused more on your posture.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you understand that?

ARIAS: I answered yes. That`s the third time you asked me that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Will we hear from Jodi Arias on the stand? Juan Martinez believes there will be another chance at cross-examining Jodi Arias.

Welcome back, everybody. This is HLN. We are live, taking your calls on day two of the Jodi Arias death penalty murder retrial. Straight out to

the lines. Stephanie, Ohio. Hi, Stephanie. What`s your question?

CALLER: Hi, Nancy. Thank you so much for being our eyes and ears in the courtroom. I watch you every night. Thank you.

GRACE: Thank you.

CALLER: While my sympathies go out to the Alexander family, I`m always curious about Jodi`s family. Even though their child grew up to be

a murderer, they support her 100 percent in court every day. I`m curious, are they emotionless every day like the first trial or are they playing up

to the jury for sympathy now that death is a 50/50 chance?

GRACE: With me is Kinsey Schofield. Blogger, social media strategist. Kinsey, thank you for being with us. You have been in court

both trials, as I recall. I remember her family being there throughout, and this trial, her side of the courtroom is totally packed.

SCHOFIELD: It is totally packed. But they are emotionless. It`s really, really frustrating when there are pictures of Travis Alexander`s

decomposing body on the screen. I mean, we`ve been discussing it throughout this episode. He looks like Frankenstein. It is very hard to

look at. And while Travis` family cringes and crawls and cries, Jodi`s family stares straight on at the images like they`re looking at an episode

of "Home Improvement." I can`t believe they`re not a little more devastated and embarrassed they`re representing someone who is capable of such a

horrific crime. Not only that, but I watched her brother slide down the banister at the courthouse yesterday. I just don`t know if the entire

family is void of the appropriate emotions.

GRACE: What did you just say?

SCHOFIELD: I watched her brother slide down the banister. Slide down the banister at the courthouse. I don`t know if they`re void of emotion or

appropriate emotion, or if it`s all an act. I just cannot comprehend --

GRACE: Well, okay, Stephanie in Ohio, there`s your question.

I`m hearing in my ear, we`re just being joined by the senior editor of "National Enquirer," author of "Out for Blood." With me, Mike Walker. No.

1, thank you for being with us, Mike. I`m very curious about your exclusive boyfriend killer Jodi Arias` new beau. What?

MIKE WALKER, NATIONAL ENQUIRER: -- back with you for round two. In round two, our poison flower has once again done, despite having put 29

knife wounds in a man, almost cutting off his head, blowing his head away, she has now found herself another boyfriend. And she snagged him right

from her jail cell, Nancy.

GRACE: Okay, Mike Walker, I need to hear this because I noticed in court she`s making eye contact with a young guy. In fact, this is the

first thing, the first person she looked at when she turned around in court. In a break, the jury left. She stood up, she turned around, and

she looked directly at a young male on the first row behind the defense. Okay, Mike Walker, what do you know?

WALKER: It is a young male. And he lives, I don`t know if that was the man you eyed, but this fellow lives right near the Estrella jail in

Phoenix. And what happened after Jodi went into, you know, she was found guilty of murder, and started serving her time, she was getting -- amazing,

actually, Nancy, about 80 post cards a month from admirers. One of them was this new boyfriend, a love struck guy, who was just crazy about her.

They started writing to each other very, very, very regularly. And then they began chatting on the regular phone, and they -- it`s very strict.

They can talk to people on the phone, Nancy, but they cannot have any more than one visitor a week for 30 minutes. So there are no --

GRACE: And I take it that cannot be a conjugal visit.

WALKER: No conjugal visits.

GRACE: So she sees one visitor 30 minutes a week unless it`s her lawyer. I think they get unlimited visits with lawyers. Everyone, with

me, senior editor, "National Enquirer," author of "Out for Blood," Mike Walker`s team investigating, somehow, Jodi Arias getting a new beau behind

bars. This in the middle of the first phase of her death penalty retrial.

So you say the new boyfriend lives near Estrella jail, and she can see him about once a week. Tell me this, Mike Walker, as much as I love

hearing about Jodi Arias` love life, can I get us back into the middle of the road here and talk about the trial itself? What can you tell us about

new evidence Arias is planning to put forth this time around?

WALKER: What she is planning to put forth is evidence that she was, quote, abused by Alexander. That is what we`re hearing from her closest

sources that we`re talking to. And she`s also going to explain why she killed him, something we`re all looking forward to hearing. And that`s

going to be, yes, we don`t know exactly what that evidence is going to be. But she says that she is going to prove that she was abused by Travis

Alexander. And that was why she killed him after they made love, and then, you know, she proceeded to, well, kill him, I guess.

GRACE: Isn`t it something more, Mike Walker, like they had sex all day long, and she took photos of wild sex, then when she asked him, he

goes, yes, I`m still going to go on my trip to Cancun with another woman, and the next thing you know, he`s dead.

WALKER: Here`s what is so amazing about her. We tracked down her boyfriend, Ryan Burns. You probably remember him from the first trial we

talked about him. And he told us ten hours after Jodi killed Travis, she drove straight to see me. Right? She called me along the way, laughing

and giggling about getting lost. Oh, I`m getting lost. And she could have won an Academy Award, he says, for the way she acted. It makes me sick, he

said to us.

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ARIAS: It`s time to spit it out. The only thing I`m going to spit out is the fact that you`re a pedophile with a past. He got very quiet,

flipped me the double bird, and then walked in the house and shut the door, so I just drove away crying.

It hurt my feelings. He was seeing a bunch of girls on the side while I was his girlfriend. I was one of the girls he was seeing on the side. I

gave him my Gmail password and my Facebook password. It was like my nerves, kind of how a chihuahua shakes, they just kind of tremble a little

bit, like a tingly, uncomfortable, like nervous. Your nerves start to just get frayed.

He was being a complete bully at that point, and I was tired of being bullied. He said I`m going to tell all your friends and family basically

about all the psycho things you have done.

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GRACE: Then break up with him if you`re not happy. Do you have to slaughter him in the shower? Welcome back, everybody. We`re live tonight

and taking your calls, camped outside the Phoenix courthouse. It`s day two of the Jodi Arias murder death penalty retrial. Already two jurors have

been thrown off the jury pool -- out of the jury box. Joining me right now, special guest, Enrique Cortez. Roommate of Travis Alexander, home

when Travis` body was found. Enrique, thank you for being with us.

ENRIQUE CORTEZ, FORMER ROOMMATE OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S: Thank you.

GRACE: I almost hate to bring it back up to you, the day that you discovered Travis was dead. In light of what`s happening in court today,

please tell us what you recall.

CORTEZ: Well, that night I had just gotten home from our (inaudible), evening activity. My routine at the time was to take a shower and go to

bed. By this time it was between 9:00, 9:30.

And as I was getting in the shower, I thought I heard somebody at the door downstairs, and I also thought I had smelled a strange odor in the

house when I got upstairs. And I was going to ask our other roommate, Zach Billings (ph), about it. But he was in his room. He was dating his wife

at the time and they were just listening to music. So I decided not to disturb them. And in the process of me taking a shower, going to my room

to get ready for bed, Mimi Hall (ph) and a couple of others had come into the house through the garage, because the front door was locked, and

normally the front door is not locked. Travis had a policy of my door is always open.

And so in that meantime, they were searching through the house, looking for clues as to where Travis could be, what`s happened to him.

Zach and I thought he could have been on a business trip, because he does travel, and that`s how he got so many photos. It`s just from traveling and

seeing all these places. And probably after 10:00 or so, by this time Zach came into my room, and he told me that we need to get out of the house. By

this point, he had opened Travis` bedroom door, saw the blood everywhere, saw Travis` body, and everybody else had already left. And Zach came to

get me so we could get out of the house. He said, you know how we thought Travis was on a business trip all this time? It turns out he`s been in his

bathroom all this time and he`s dead.

My first reaction is, what do you mean he`s dead? Because the first thing you think is, how is this happening, how did this happen? Is this

real? And as we made our way downstairs, things seemed just to get more real as the police showed up to investigate the crime scene, get our

testimonies.

From this point on, it was just a long process of providing an account of what`s happened over the previous days, and what I had seen to the

police, as well as to Detective Flores down at the Mesa police station. By the time I left the police station, it was already 4:00 a.m., and I hadn`t

had any sleep at all. It has just been one strange sort of night where reality just feels twisted.

GRACE: With me is Enrique Cortez, roommate of Travis Alexander, there when Travis` dead body was found. I know that you were at Travis` memorial

service, and the young lady that was with you, the two of you saw Jodi Arias there. What was your reaction?

CORTEZ: Well, we were at the memorial service. This young lady that was with me, she is who I was dating at the time, she knew Jodi, whereas I

had never met her previously, so I didn`t even know what she looked like or anything like that. She was kind of shocked to see that Jodi made it, I

guess.

One thing I do remember her commenting on is that Jodi`s hair color was different. She`s no longer a blonde. As we know, what happened just

from the trial, she had already changed her hair by this point. And I really didn`t pay attention to her from there, even though she was probably

within ten feet of me as we sat on the same row. Maybe she just didn`t really impress me, but I didn`t really pay much attention to her at all.

All I know is she was there, sat down like everybody else for the memorial. And some people that I do know just seemed to kind of be a little

suspicious of Jodi as they were the ones who thought her behavior was odd from previously.

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GRACE: To Caryn Stark, psychologist, joining us. Mike Duffy tells me he actually learned somebody in the courtroom today wants to go out with

Arias, that even though we`re seeing all these crime scene photos, Caryn Stark, they have got a crush on Arias. I don`t get it.

STARK: Nancy, she comes across in all of these different things we see as being so sexy to men, and appealing. And there are always people

who are attracted to bizarre and things that we can`t even begin to imagine. There`s something seductive about her, and she`s also in the

media, so people look to be a part of that. But believe me, most people are transfixed by this because it is so horrific.

GRACE: Everyone, it`s day two of the Jodi Arias retrial. We`ve been camped outside the courthouse all day long. So far two jurors have been

thrown off the jury. Tomorrow we start again, first thing in the morning, and we`ll bring it to you live tomorrow night here at HLN.

Let`s stop and remember American hero, Navy Petty Officer Third Class John Fralish, II. 30, New Kingston, Pennsylvania, Navy Marine Corps

Commendation Medal, Combat Action Ribbon. Grandson of a war hero. Loved surfing, rugby. Parents James and Jean. Three brothers, two sisters.

John Fralish II, American hero.

Thank you for being with us here at the courthouse. Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night,

friend.

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