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High School Shooting Near Seattle

Aired October 24, 2014 - 15:00   ET

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CINDY WISE, KING 5 CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There's a lot of hugging, a lot of tears, a lot of people asking questions, what do you know? What did you see? What have your kids told you? They are being told by police on the scene that they need to go to the church at 116th and 51st. And that's where they will be connected with their children.

So far, we have seen a lot of empty buses, but no buses with kids on them yet. I happened to be at home today with my daughter. We live a couple of miles from the high school. And I first learned of it when I got a message from someone saying, hey, what do you know? A friend who has a child who goes there, she, too, is not getting any answers.

UNIDENTIFIED KING 5 ANCHOR: That's got to be the toughest thing, to be a parent in that situation not knowing. We can probably safely say that a lot of those kids are doing what they have been told. That is to hunker down and stay in place until law enforcement can come through.

Cindy, thanks. Stay with us, if you would.

We're just hearing from NBC News that President Obama has been advised on this school shooting at Marysville-Pilchuck High School. As Mindy said earlier, we really want her on the side of not saying too much. We have heard a lot of people speculate about the cause of the shooting, perhaps a motive.

ROBB LAMOUREUX, MARYSVILLE, WASHINGTON, POLICE COMMANDER: The public reunification site will be shortly, as soon as we make that determination. We are not aware of any other injuries at this time, but that has not been confirmed because we are still clearing the buildings at the school.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

LAMOUREUX: That is that is possible, but we are not confirming that yet. We have not received that information from the command post.

QUESTION: Are you confident there's only one -- single shooter?

LAMOUREUX: Yes, we are.

QUESTION: Where did it happen?

LAMOUREUX: I don't have that information yet.

QUESTION: Can you tell us is it still an active shooter situation? Where are you in the process (OFF-MIKE)

LAMOUREUX: I don't know where our officers are at this point. They are clearing the building. We are confident that there was only one shooter and that the shooter is deceased, but we do need to clear each building and be make sure that's the case.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

LAMOUREUX: We will do that very meticulously. It will be a very slow process because we still are evacuating students. And so we will go -- that campus there has multiple buildings. We will go from one building to the next.

QUESTION: What was the procedure, do you know, once the shots were fired? Was it a lockdown? Were the kids able to evacuate? What happened inside there?

LAMOUREUX: At this point, I have not had any contact with the school district so I am not sure exactly what they did with their process.

QUESTION: How many were injured?

LAMOUREUX: Right now, we are confirming that there is one deceased and that that is the shooter.

QUESTION: Any injuries?

LAMOUREUX: We do not know that yet.

QUESTION: And the shooter was a student?

LAMOUREUX: The shooter was a student, correct.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

LAMOUREUX: I have no information about where it started. I'm still trying to gather that information, but I wanted to make sure that I got here for you at noon.

QUESTION: How did the shooter die?

LAMOUREUX: That, I do not know.

QUESTION: Do you have any information about what prompted the shootings?

LAMOUREUX: I don't have any motive at all at this point.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

LAMOUREUX: I don't have that yet.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

LAMOUREUX: Don't know that.

It is a student. And I don't know that it's a male.

QUESTION: We have heard that there was a reunification location at (OFF-MIKE) church.

LAMOUREUX: We are not confirming that because we are trying to secure a facility at this point. I will get that to you as quickly as I can.

QUESTION: Do you have any idea how many students are at Marysville- Pilchuck?

LAMOUREUX: I don't know what the student count is at M.P.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

LAMOUREUX: It's multiple agencies. I know that obviously Marysville is the lead agency, the sheriff's office. I believe Arlington and Lake Stevens has also responded.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) And how did you get notification?

LAMOUREUX: We got notification from somebody on campus and that was shortly before or actually about 10:30 this morning or 10:40.

QUESTION: Does Marysville normally have a police officer in the school?

LAMOUREUX: Yes, we do have a school resource officer that is located on campus.

QUESTION: Was that person there at the time?

LAMOUREUX: I do not know that.

QUESTION: Typical for their assignment to be there?

LAMOUREUX: Yes. Yes. Definitely.

QUESTION: Can you just explain again how police first learned about this here in Marysville?

LAMOUREUX: We received a 911 call from somebody that was on campus, that was reporting the shots.

QUESTION: A student, a teacher?

LAMOUREUX: I don't know that.

QUESTION: The parents are being asked not to come directly to the school. What would you like parents and other people to know at this time?

LAMOUREUX: We do ask parents to please stay away. It's an active situation. We need to make sure that it's safe and secure. As soon as we learn where that unification spot is going to be -- I know that students are being bussed away and as soon as I learn where that reunification spot is going to be, I will let you know so that we can get it out to the parents.

Please don't go to the campus. That really, really makes things difficult for our officers.

QUESTION: Are you certain there was only one shooter involved?

LAMOUREUX: At this point, we feel confident, but we have not cleared the entire building yet. There is a possibility, but we don't believe so.

QUESTION: Why were students coming out with their hands up?

LAMOUREUX: At this point, I don't have any information about what's going on at the school.

Those are questions that I can get from the command center at a later time. I just wanted to get this basic information out.

QUESTION: Why would kids come out with their hands up? That seems like a standard thing.

LAMOUREUX: (AUDIO GAP) ... difficult for our officers.

QUESTION: So it is a (INAUDIBLE) situation?

QUESTION: Can you say what the standard protocol is when you get a call like this and you respond to a school? What is the sort of one, two, three, four steps?

LAMOUREUX: Well, the incident really dictates that. It's really not a black and white, lineal thing.

Definitely, when we get those calls, all officers are going to respond to the active situation immediately. And so that's where we start. From there, whatever is taking place will dictate what we do from there.

QUESTION: We heard that you had recently conducted some sort of drill or SWAT drill at Marysville-Pilchuck High School. Is that true?

LAMOUREUX: It's possible. I don't know if the SWAT has done that.

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QUESTION: Is this one of the schools that you have the plans ahead of time so you know what the buildings are...

(CROSSTALK)

LAMOUREUX: Yes.

QUESTION: Can you describe that?

LAMOUREUX: We have all of the building school plans. They are up at the command post at this time. I am certain that they are utilizing that and relaying that information on scene. QUESTION: For anybody just joining the live stream, can you explain

again what you know so far and what's going on at the campus right now?

LAMOUREUX: At this very moment, we have officers on scene that are clearing all of the buildings on campus to make sure that there is no longer an active threat.

QUESTION: And the students, are there any students still holed up in the school or anywhere else on campus as far as you know?

LAMOUREUX: I don't know the status of all of the students. I know that we are in the process of evacuating them.

QUESTION: After some other school shootings, it can sometimes take hours for parents to find out how their kids are, where to find their kids, sort of the reunite -- reunification process. For parents watching this now, what can you tell them about what they should do? How can they find out if their kids are OK?

LAMOUREUX: Well, right now, we're still in the we're still in the process of getting all that information, so we're very early in the stages. We are trying to locate the reunification spot.

We will get that information out as soon as we can. And it's really just kind of a holding pattern right now.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) stay here and wait for the latest word from you?

LAMOUREUX: I think for right now this would be a good location. We may change that later on, but at this point this is a good spot.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) What is the latest number? (OFF-MIKE) up to six possibly injured. What can you...

LAMOUREUX: Right now, we are confirming one person that is deceased, and that that person is believed to be the shooter and that we at this point do not believe there are any other shooters on campus.

QUESTION: Where is this person deceased?

LAMOUREUX: On the campus. I don't know what building.

QUESTION: He's not been removed?

LAMOUREUX: No. No.

QUESTION: Do you know if anybody else was detained for any reason?

LAMOUREUX: I don't know that.

QUESTION: Have the officers made contact with the deceased's body or are they just...

LAMOUREUX: I don't know that. I have no information about what is actually taking place on scene. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Folks, we're going to take a break right now.

We will be back at about 1:30 with any updates or if we receive any additional pertinent information, OK?

QUESTION: What is your name and title?

LAMOUREUX: Robb Lamoureux.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, so here we go, just after noon time there in Washington State, quite a bit of news broken from that police officer.

Let me just begin at the beginning. He was confirming, I believe the word he used was confident. We are confident that the gunman, the single shooter, he believes it was one individual, is now deceased, is dead.

They are now going, law enforcement, classroom by classroom by classroom placing tape on the doors, indicating which classroom has been cleared, but according to police and people we're hearing from, they are finding students and teachers, some individually, some in groups hiding, hiding inside of these different classrooms.

As far as numbers of injuries go, this is according to "The Seattle Times," they're reporting as many as seven other people shot. This happening right around 10:45 this morning in Marysville, Washington.

According to "The Seattle Times," three of the injured were taken by ambulance to the hospital, including one with a head wound, and as I reported, those police right now are going classroom to classroom.

You heard the police officer -- just obviously think about the parents right now. He is saying, please, do not come to campus. It just makes the situation worse, as we have been watching these pictures and these groups of students. Those who can be cleared and leave are leaving the schools. They will be placed on these different school buses and taken to a -- what they call a student/parent reunification location that is to be determined.

But it is still an active situation, according to this police officer and, again, to parents, stay away from the school.

Evan Perez, our justice correspondent, has been watching and reporting on this right along with me.

We can report, Evan, that the president of the United States has been briefed on what's happening here in Washington State and also the FBI, FBI en route.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: That's right.

The FBI and the ATF are both heading to the scene now to help with this investigation, which is still going to be obviously something that the local authorities are going to be in the lead for. I'm told by some officials that up to six people is what their understanding is of the situation at this point, up to six people have been injured or shot, and that the gunman, the student that was doing the shooting has died of a self-inflected gunshot wound.

So he killed himself, which is very common, Brooke, in these situations. We just did this entire thing with the FBI recently which has been studying these active student incidents around the country. They have looked at 160 of these shootings between 2000 and 2013.

And this is a very common thing, which is where the shooter kills himself before the authorities can even get there, which is actually one of the things that they're trying to train schools and local police about, because it's very difficult to try to stop these things before these rampages can kill a lot of people.

BALDWIN: OK. Evan Perez for me, our justice correspondent reporting.

As we just heard again, they believe this one school shooter, a student they did confirm, wouldn't say if it was male or female, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. According to reports, this happened just around at Marysville-Pilchuck High School, pretty sizable school here north of Seattle, 2,500 students.

And so just listening to that police officer saying, you know, this is still an active situation. They are going classroom by classroom by classroom finding these students huddled up in corners and closets there hiding. They're hiding from really the unknown.

David Katz (ph) joins me on set now, alongside Alexandra Field here as we continue to cover what is just another tragic, tragic school shooting here in the United States.

David, you have worked school shootings?

DAVID KATZ, INVESTIGATOR: I have done training schools.

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BALDWIN: Done training at schools. So everything you have seen so far, we have seen groups of students being taken out of the school. We have seen school buses. We know some students are still on lockdown inside of the school. They were putting tape on the doors as far as which classrooms they have looked in and whatnot. Does that jibe with what you have been teaching?

KATZ: Well, usually, most -- the response that most schools go through is lockdown.

By the way, that's not always a panacea, but generally most schools have adopted that. God forbid there is a shooting in the school, everyone goes back to whatever they're in, their homeroom or whatever class they're near. They lock the door, try to barricade it and hide, get out of view.

Imagine you're a student in one of those classrooms. You don't know the situation. They're reporting now that it's one shooter, that's it.

BALDWIN: They believe. (CROSSTALK)

KATZ: They believe. But we don't know. You're hiding in fear of your life and you're not going to walk out until a police officer knocks on that door, says it's OK, kids, come out, we will get you out of here, and they clear it.

Right now, you have a very, very tough situation for those children.

BALDWIN: I think it's important just walking our viewers through. When they say clearing the building, what exactly does that mean?

KATZ: Room by room, closet by closet, stairway by stairway. Any place, any physical space where a human being could hide, or take refuge or a shooter could hide, they will make sure that physical space has been examined and then cleared or designate that area as having been secured.

BALDWIN: What's the biggest challenge right now for these police officers on campus?

KATZ: You mean in general?

BALDWIN: In general. In general.

KATZ: These things are so difficult to stop especially when the shooter is a student.

BALDWIN: Why?

KATZ: Because you go to school every single day. You have a backpack with you. Almost no school -- some schools in New York City have metal detectors and you can walk in -- you actually get an inspection.

That's a tiny, tiny percentage of schools. You know as a student what the policy is, what you can sneak in. And that's a problem. If you have a child who for whatever reason is pushed over the edge, or just has a mental issue or is bullied, whatever the cause is, they know their school, they know where or how to get weapons in and they know how to do a lot of damage.

BALDWIN: You have to know though -- and you have been teaching these drills -- that in the wake of Columbine and especially more recently in the wake of Newtown security measures have changed, they have tightened.

KATZ: Yes. The difference in Newtown, you had a nonstudent. These are very, very young children and what a horrible tragedy. But you had a nonstudent forcing entry. The response to that, that's an exercise in preventing a stranger from gaining access. A lot of schools are doing better at that, but it's the student shooter that's still the problem.

BALDWIN: Alexandra, you're looking through information. Again, for parents, our thoughts and our hearts go out to you because I realize police are saying, please don't come to the school, please don't come to the campus. That complicates our jobs.

To David's point about the process of clearing these buildings to making sure the young people are safe and making sure too that it is a single shooter situation. So they are working on getting information out to you to figure out where the parent/student reunification...

(CROSSTALK)

LAMOUREUX: That's it. Thank you.

QUESTION: Do you know how far that is from the school?

LAMOUREUX: It's less than a mile.

QUESTION: Less than a mile?

LAMOUREUX: Less than a mile.

QUESTION: Where should parents go?

LAMOUREUX: Parents should go to Shoultes Gospel Church at 116th Street and 51st. There are officers on scene that will coordinate them. Thank you.

QUESTION: Any other updates with that?

LAMOUREUX: No.

QUESTION: Thank you, Commander. Thank you.

BALDWIN: So that was quick, but that was the -- as we were just talking about, that was the parent/student reunification location. He said it so quickly. We will work on getting exactly what that was.

But it was a church. And perhaps it's the church we were looking at earlier. That's the place where they would like the parents to go to pick up the students.

And, too, David, we saw these three different school buses. I had yet to see the students to get in. I have to imagine they're counting each of them before they actually roll away.

KATZ: One of the most difficult parts of this drill is accounting for every person, not only students, staff members, employees, teachers.

They want to know every -- first of all, you have to figure out who was in school that day. You may have a list. Who went home early, who got sick, who didn't show up, who got in late and maybe is not on the attendance list? You have a lot of issues as far as finding out, number two, who was in the building and then making sure every single person is accounted for.

That is a very, very time-consuming process. If you can imagine as a parent, you're thinking, my God, is my son or daughter all right? It's just agonizing. BALDWIN: What makes them -- I know the word he used was confident,

when he said we're confident the shooter is dead, killed from a self- inflicted gunshot wound, but how can they 100 percent say he was it? I shouldn't say he. They didn't say he or she.

(CROSSTALK)

KATZ: Odds are it's almost always a male shooter.

BALDWIN: Yes.

KATZ: But probably it's -- you can't say 100 percent for sure.

Odds are they know the kids are giving reports, they're being debriefed right now what happened. Staff is being debriefed. They may have video. They have access to the school. That could be why they're saying with confidence it was one shooter. But certainly you don't know. A guy could have an accomplice. Unlikely, based on what we know right now, but it's still possible.

BALDWIN: We know the president has been briefed on this.

Remember, we saw him just about an hour ago, the photo of the president hugging Nina Pham who was declared Ebola free. That was the story about an hour ago. And now here we have quickly turned to the school shooting at a high school, a pretty sizable high school, 2,500 students.

You see one, two, three, four, five ambulances, five ambulances here on the scene, paramedics, EMT, fire all responding, police. So many questions right now as far as how many people were injured. The latest check at least from "Seattle Times," and, guys, just correct me if you're getting more updated numbers.

The latest we had was seven people hot, as many as seven people shot around 10:45 this morning at Marysville-Pilchuck High School north of Seattle. According to "The Seattle Times" three of the injured were taken by ambulance to Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, including one with a head wound.

Just to reiterate as this is still fluid and police briefing members of the media just about 10 minutes ago, saying this is still an active situation. Let's also be crystal clear. The video you're looking at, this is not live video. These are pictures from just a little bit ago of these students initially evacuating the school.

They have since -- I think large groups of them have since been evacuated and will be then reunited with their parents at that specific location, that church location, but, you know, the parents I'm sure just on pins and needles waiting to see if their child is OK.

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Brooke, the question now is who's hurt? How bad was it? We have our affiliate KOMO out in Seattle reporting that of those injured, at least two were students.

It will take some time to confirm exactly who was injured, their identities, whether they were students, teachers, staff members in this high school. But the other thing we need to be thinking about right now is as these parents hold their breath hoping and praying it's not their child, we also have to realize that everyone who is bringing home a child from this high school, from this district really today is bringing home a kid who is hurt in some way.

These are the things we talk about in the days and the weeks and the months after the school shootings. These are moments that just change the life of a district, change the life of a community. Every parent is going to have to be responsible for helping to walk their kids through what they may have seen today, what they may have felt today, that anxiety.

We heard the initial report from one to students who said they thought it was a fire drill because frankly when you go to school and the alarms go off, that's what you're taught to believe, it's a fire drill.

This is a drill of some sort. We're practicing. Today was the real thing. Parents will have to help these kids cope with it now.

BALDWIN: We are hearing from police. We are also beginning to hear from different students who were at the school when the shooting happened. I want you to take a listen to one eyewitness, one student who spoke with a local affiliate just a short while ago.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were in -- I was in the student store and the student store is right next to the cafeteria. We were just working, you know, doing our business, filling things and then just out of nowhere, we didn't even think about it, just out of nowhere, we heard a shooting.

And then we didn't think it was nothing. We just thought it was just like somebody throwing down something. But then we saw everybody just started running out of nowhere and then we just -- we knew automatically that someone was shooting a gun.

QUESTION: What did you do?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was just fooling around with it. We didn't know. But right when we heard that, we ran. We ran right into the back office of Ms. Miller's room. Mr. Hill helped us with getting all safe.

QUESTION: And then how -- did police eventually come through that office and tell you that it was OK to leave?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Yes, they did. They came knocking in saying they were the police and it was OK to come outside.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BALDWIN: That was our first account of a student who was in, as you heard, a student store which is just adjacent to the cafeteria. Heard the shooting. Was precariously close to what happened earlier today.

Again, CNN reporting -- let me be precise -- up to six students or six individuals shot. We can't confirm whether they were all students or perhaps personnel from the school or teachers, but up to six shots. As far as their injuries, the conditions, we just don't know, but according to police they are confident this student gunman is dead and also believe he was acting or she was acting alone.

David Katz is joining me. Alexandra Field is joining me as we continue to cover this high school shooting situation. Still an active situation according to police there on the ground in Marysville, Washington.

So one of -- the big overarching question, David, is the why. They won't be able to have the answer to the why for quite some time. But to start shedding the light and to fill in the gaps, they will begin to ask questions. Who was this individual? Were there warning signs of his or her past?

KATZ: Yes.

If you go back to almost -- almost without exception every single one of these shootings, in retrospect, you say, my God, how did they miss this? There are a lot of warning signs that can be addressed usually. I mean, they're a troubled child. They could be bullied. They could have psychological problems. Who knows what issue that pushed the person over the edge was.

BALDWIN: Right.

KATZ: But when they come back, it's always the same question. It's never what a surprise, straight A student, no problem. It's always something. That's what we're going to find.

BALDWIN: David, want you to take a look at the right side of the screen as we're looking at this together here.

It looks like this is what we have been talking about, the police going door to door, right? This is part of the clearing the building process. For people just joining us, what exactly are they looking for?

KATZ: Well, you're assuming you have children or staff, teachers who are hiding, but as you're doing it, you're also -- you're moving with the idea that maybe there's another gunman that's also hiding.

So when you open -- anyone in here. You're actually clearing it. You're moving in a tactical, slow, methodical process, just in case there's another shooter. The last thing you want is a law enforcement officer shot. You're moving with a lot of caution. You're doing it tactically, methodically, going room by room. Once you clear it, you mark it, move on. And that's basically their process.

BALDWIN: We know they're marking it with tape.

KATZ: Yes.

BALDWIN: We know they are finding some students and teacher, some alone, some together huddled and hidden inside of these classrooms. David, stay with me.

Tom Fuentes, let me bring you back with me, former FBI, law enforcement for us here at CNN.

I think it's just also worth raising the point. You have all of these parents, right? They're hearing about the situation at their son or daughter's school. They're wondering, A, if their son or daughter is OK and they're wondering if it's their child who did this.

TOM FUENTES, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes.

Brooke, the interesting thing about that is, if you have 2,500 students you, may have a dozen of parents who think, my child has issues, I hope it's not him. So, you know, the parents that don't immediately locate one of their children because they ran off into the neighborhood, some might be wondering that it could have been their child responsible for this and they won't know until they actually publicly identify at least -- and they may not because of the person being a juvenile.

But there's probably a lot of parents wondering right now.

BALDWIN: Do you want to add to that, David?

KATZ: Yes. Or there's a crime scene at this child's home. Lanza killed his mom before he massacred the students.

BALDWIN: Right. Right.

KATZ: In a lot of these situations, the family members are the first. You wouldn't know until you go identify the person. I'm sure they're at the guy's house. There's no doubt in my mind.

BALDWIN: Tell us what exactly -- if they have identified and if they're confident this gunman was a student, this happened 10:45 this morning. It's just about an hour, two hours later. They're already at the house?

KATZ: Well, yes. Yes. There are a lot of things that are going to take more time. They will look at social media and look at his computer. There's a lot of investigate stuff that will take some time.

For example, a forensic analysis of a computer is a time-consuming process. But they instantly know who the person is. If he's a student, everyone knows the person by name. It's not a huge -- it's a large school comparatively, but presumably they have access to school records, where is the kid's address, send the car right over there.

BALDWIN: We know police, local police obviously responding to this. We can also report that FBI is en route. We know ATF, they're en route as well. How will they help in this process, David?

KATZ: Well, the ATF has great forensic capability if it really comes to that. But at this point it really may not be the type of investigation that would really benefit from federal assistance.

BALDWIN: Why?

KATZ: If it's a simple matter. It's one shooter.

BALDWIN: Contained?

KATZ: Contained. It's not like you have your terrorism ties, multistate, international or something a little more complicated where federal resources would help further an investigation. This case, it may just be very, very simple. One very disturbed, disgruntled student who acted and carried out his act of revenge.

BALDWIN: Let me jump in. We're getting a little bit of additional information here.

Let me just read this for you. A student says he was inside the cafeteria at the time of the shooting. He says he called police first to alert them of the situation and he gave his phone to a teacher nearby. He says there's blood on his shoes and at the scene blood was, his word, everywhere.

He is now safe in an undisclosed location, says he knows everyone who was injured, but will not reveal the names in case their families haven't been identified. But a couple of things jump out at me, first of all, that we know that 911 was called early this morning, so presumably it was the student.

Hands the phone to the teacher, but when I hear blood everywhere?

KATZ: Well, gunshot wounds depending on where the body is struck, they can bleed profusely and blood on the floor, actually, a small amount of blood looks a lot worse than it is. We have seven victims, they're shot, they're bleeding. It's going to look -- it'll be a gruesome scene.

BALDWIN: One other line that we have. Another student tells CNN the alleged shooter was a popular student, but had recently been the victim of bullying, had recently been the victim of bullying.

Again, we can't answer the question of why. These are just bits and pieces that we are getting from different students who are providing CNN some information about this individual, about this shooter. According to police there in Marysville, Washington, this is Marysville-Pilchuck High School, 2,500 students.

According to police, they are confident this gunman is dead. The gunman died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound and they believe this individual acted alone, but they are still calling this an active situation. Again, just to reiterate for you, we are hearing now, is it five or six? What number are we? As many as five. The gunman shot as many as five students. According

to this student, there was blood everywhere, blood on his shoes at the scene, blood everywhere. He's in a safe location, but no one, of course, is naming names because you have to tell the family before that gets out publicly.

Again, the shooting happened inside of the cafeteria. And this student called police to tell police what was happening. Remember, we were hearing initially reports students, they heard the alarms going off. They thought it was a fire alarm. It was no fire alarm. This was a shooting. Called police. Alerted them. Then handed the phone to the teachers.

And as we're looking at this video, again, to be clear, this is video from within the last hour. We have seen school buses. We know students are heading to a nearby church to be reunified with their parents, who I am sure are frightened and want to see their sons and their daughters. But, again, this is a big school.

This is 2,500 students,so the process of accounting for each of these individuals could take hours. They are still going. They are still going door to door, classroom by classroom.