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Mama June`s New Rant About Family Scandal; New Info on Dead Family in Utah: Murder-Suicide?; Little Girls Drop the F Bomb in an Ad; Inappropriate Halloween Costumes
Aired October 30, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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SAMANTHA SCHACHER, GUEST HOST (voice-over): Tonight, is Honey Boo Boo`s mother in danger of losing her children?
MAMA JUNE: The statement of me dating a sex offender is totally untrue.
SCHACHER: This pedophile who molested Alana`s older sister is tearing the family apart.
Plus, potty mouth princesses.
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: A little girl saying (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
SCHACHER: Are these cursing tots making a case for feminism?
DR. DREW ON CALL starts right now.
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SCHACHER: Good evening. I`m Sam Schacher, filling in for Dr. Drew. I`m joined by Mike Catherwood, Dr. Drew`s "Loveline" co-host.
Mama June can`t seem to shut up about the scandal in her life. She`s been photographed with a pedophile who molested her daughter. Watch.
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MAMA JUNE: I am in boots and can do it. We`ve got to get this on. We have two days.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Honey Boo Boo family scandal explodes.
ANNA: He`s a child molester, Mama. He did this to me. Why would you allow him to come around the girls knowing what he did?
SCHACHER: Mark Anthony McDaniel began abusing her 8-year-old daughter Anna in 2002.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The man went to prison for 10 years for molesting her daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: TMZ obtained photos of Mama June with McDaniel in her bed as you see her, the same man who raped her own daughter.
NISCHELLE TURNER, ET: Anna told me when she first saw the photos, of course, confronted her mother about this and her mother denied that they
were dating.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A mother is not in her right mind if she is putting her own priorities over her child.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pedophile or no pedophile, this is the pedophile that molested your child.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think Mama June should have all her children taken away from her.
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SCHACHER: A reporter from E News talked to Mama June last night outside her Georgia home. Take a look.
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REPORTER: Have you talked to Anna lately?
MAMA JUNE: I talk to all my kids.
REPORTER: Do you want to say anything to the people who say you`re crazy, and how could you let your child around that man?
MAMA JUNE: No. That will all come out. This is a family matter.
Protection of my kids is my number one priority.
REPORTER: How is Honey Boo Boo doing?
MAMA JUNE: We`re doing fine. As a family, handling of what happens. (INAUDIBLE)
The whole truth will come out on my side.
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SCHACHER: Joining me, Evy Poumpouras, law enforcement analyst and former Secret Service special agent, Angie Greenup, TV host, Kelvin Washington,
social commentator and radio host.
And on the phone, ET`s Nischelle Turner is back, who interviewed Anna.
Nischelle, you talked to Anna. What`s your reaction to Mama June?
TURNER (via telephone): You know, I think it`s interesting that she said the truth will come out. We would love to hear from her, because her
daughter says basically, bottom line, this man molested her of her innocence as an 8-year-old girl, and her mother didn`t believe it happened.
I would love to hear an explanation from her, all of these things, because according to Anna, her mother still to this day never told her why and
never said I`m sorry for not believing her.
SCHACHER: That is crazy. So, do you think in your opinion, that this mother-daughter relationship can be healed?
TURNER: You know, it`s interesting. I did ask Anna that in the interview that`s going to air tonight. She said they go back and forth. They`ve had
a strained relationship for several years. They haven`t been communicating lately, but they still in her words fuss and fight a lot. Now, with this
new information, these pictures coming out with her with Mike McDaniel, she doesn`t know what to believe.
So, she really doesn`t know if she wants to be around her mother. She does love her, because she is her mother. But as far as respecting her and
acknowledging a relationship, she just doesn`t know if she can do that.
MIKE CATHERWOOD, CO-HOST: Nischelle, I know you don`t know for a fact, but having talked to Anna, I feel like Mama June is a little smug in how she`s
handling this. Do you feel like she understands the severity of what`s going on?
SCHACHER: Good point.
TURNER: That is such a good question. I kept saying to Anna throughout our interview, Anna, you have to help me understand this, because I`m
trying to wrap my brain around this. I just don`t get it.
Because even from Anna, I got a sense of -- well, you know, if she wants to do that with him, that`s her business, and his background, if she keeps him
away from my sisters is one thing. It almost seemed like, you know, the past is the past, leave it there, when all of us are saying, this is the
craziest thing we`ve ever heard.
You know, for Anna, I know it still hurts her. But I`m not sure if they actually do understand the severity of what`s going on. I don`t know if
it`s because of the surroundings or just what they`ve grown up with. We always hear when you know better, you do better. So, I`m not sure what`s
going on there.
SCHACHER: All right. Thanks, Nischelle. The full interview will be seen on Entertainment Tonight. So, tune in.
Now, Mike, you know our Evy, our own Evy, could get the truth out of Mama June.
CATHERWOOD: Oh, yes.
SCHACHER: So, I`m looking at you, Evy. Suppose you were in your FBI interrogation room, what would go down and how would you get the truth out
of her?
POUMPOURAS: I would sit down, I would befriend her --
CATHERWOOD: What would you be wearing, first off? Back off a little bit, just give an insight.
POUMPOURAS: You know what? That`s actually a really smart question.
CATHERWOOD: Of course, it is.
POUMPOURAS: You do dress a certain way, depending on who you`re interviewing. So, I wouldn`t go into that interview in a business suit. I
would dress more casual. I would dress in a way that makes me relatable to Mama June, seriously. You have to know your audience.
But I would want to understand her relationship. This is the thing. Looking at the documentations and the sources, it seems like she`s had
previous relationships with individuals that were -- had criminal history to include somebody possibly that she had a relationship with, that
fathered one of her children, who also had a sexual offender history.
So I would want to understand her initially. I would talk to her, try to understand her, then get that information out of her. You know, it`s very
concerning, and I saw the way she spoke.
If you noticed during those questions, that piece that you played, she didn`t answer any of them. They asked her, have you spoken to Anna? She
deflects everything. She said, I speak to all my children.
SCHACHER: Interesting.
POUMPOURAS: She doesn`t answer the questions. They ask her, what do you have to say to those people? I have nothing to say. The truth will come
out.
Every single -- every single response is deceptive, every single response. I`m almost happy that this information got out, and that we`re airing it
this way, because could you imagine what would have happened as far as the children and Mama June`s relationship with this man, if she continued?
SCHACHER: There could be more victims. There could be more victims.
So, Mama June reportedly split from Honey Boo Boo`s biological father, Mike "Sugar Bear" Thompson, in September, but Splash captured them in this
photo.
Kelvin, it`s all so messy. What`s your reaction?
And, Mike, you need to get your head out of the gutter thinking about Evy. I see it. I feel it.
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CATHERWOOD: Listen, she`s a beautiful, smart and very powerful woman. I`m very turned on by her.
SCHACHER: OK. Kelvin, your reaction. And then, Angie, I want to hear from you. If you could give us the last thought.
KELVIN WASHINGTON, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, thanks a lot, guys.
It is very messy and it`s a very serious situation. I question if Mama June hasn`t gone through some type of sexual abuse herself. It seems we`ve
heard over the years, especially in the climate with the NFL, with domestic violence, and other types of abuse that these things happen over and over,
generationally speaking.
So, I`m wondering if Mama June has been through this herself, and that`s why she`s OK and accepting it. It`s always strange when the mother says,
hey, this happened and the mother says no, that didn`t really happen or trying to turn a blind eye, if you will. It`s always disturbing when this
happens.
But I don`t know if that picture was just for show, if she`s saying right now, it`s getting crazy for me. So come on out. I`ll take you -- I`ll
cook a dinner for you. I`ll make a meal, as long as you come out with me, and, you know, so we can put on this family front here --
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SCHACHER: Angie?
ANGIE GREENUP, TV HOST: I think you`re giving her way too much credit. I don`t think she staged this photo. She doesn`t care what anyone thinks.
WASHINGTON: She has a publicist.
GREENUP: But do you think she listens to her publicist? Come on, this woman has become famous for being a bad parent and doing bad things and we
all just laughed our way through her show as she did it. And now, we`re so appalled by her crazy behavior with her kids.
No, we`re giving her too much credit. This wasn`t a publicity stunt. She was -- he`s the father of her kid. They`re still going to hang out.
SCHACHER: And, yes, what was the dinner of choice? I think it was spaghetti and ketchup, do you remember that?
Yes. So, next --
CATHERWOOD: It`s not steamed broccoli and egg whites.
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SCHACHER: That`s your meal.
OK. All right. Well, gosh.
OK. Next, the behavior bureau weighs in.
And later, these little girls are cursing up a storm. We`ll tell you why, back after this.
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HONEY BOO BOO: Come look. I`m making up a song in my head and I`m dancing to it.
MAMA JUNE: I made the smart choice, you know, first when we started this, not to be a scripted family. When TLC came to me, I was like, I said I`m
not going to lie. They know that. After them walking through me, I was like, look, the only way I`ll do this is if I can be real.
I was disappointed when Anna came to me and said she was pregnant when she was 17 because she was still in school. But now, I am proud of her, she`s
going to graduate this year.
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SCHACHER: Welcome back. I`m Samantha Schacher, filling in for Dr. Drew.
My co-host is Mike Catherwood, the unpredictable Mike Catherwood. But awesome all the less.
OK. That was from a 2012 interview. "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" was yanked from the air when Mama June was photographed with a convicted pedophile,
the man who molested her oldest daughter.
You`ve got some tweets for us.
CATHERWOOD: I do. They`re misspelled but I do have them, probably from Honey Boo Boo fans.
"Whether it`s a romantic relationship or a platonic one, it`s a sexual predator`s m.o. to seek out single moms." That comes from Nora.
SCHACHER: OK.
CATHERWOOD: I don`t know if that`s true, but makes sense.
Julia writes, "I would bet my house that mom has sexual molestation history, poor boundaries, body issues, molestation of her own daughter."
SCHACHER: Wow, she would bet her house.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
SCHACHER: Yes, that she believes it in.
CATHERWOOD: Yes, where do you believe thought? I mean, it makes a big difference.
SCHACHER: That makes a huge difference, New York City versus --
CATHERWOOD: Are you talking about like a single bedroom or Malibu palatial state.
SCHACHER: Right. That`s a really great question. So, all right. Wow, I just noticed your stocking, that`s really good.
CATHERWOOD: I`m stocking strong.
SCHACHER: I don`t know if anybody else can notice it, but that`s great.
OK. But --
CATHERWOOD: Sam, you smell fantastic, by the way.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
CATHERWOOD: Listen, I know television audience, you guys can`t understand because it`s not smell vision. She obviously looks beautiful. She`s
obviously very sharp. She smells fantastic. I mean, exquisite.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
CATHERWOOD: Like lilac.
SCHACHER: OK, I`m embarrassed. It`s actual lilac and violet, and some other ingredients that I can`t pronounce.
But back to Honey Boo Boo. Tell me, what do you think coming from a father that -- of yourself, can you imagine ever introducing your kid into an
environment and then discovering that your child was harmed and then going out and hanging out with that person or dating that person?
CATHERWOOD: Absolutely not. It`s almost impossible to wrap your head around the idea of a parent not -- you know, this man isn`t a tax evader,
he`s not a thief. He`s not a drug addict, he`s a child molester. And he`s a child molester that was convicted of molesting her daughter.
SCHACHER: Right.
CATHERWOOD: But I think that Angie was mentioning it in the last break. You can`t be surprised that someone who so egregiously has destroyed
boundaries that most normal parents have with her children, she`s been doing it for her own financial and professional gain, with the show "Here
Comes Honey Boo Boo".
It is in and of itself abusive to watch her, how she puts her children in such dysfunctional situations and has such a physically and emotionally
harmful environment to raise her children in. And it was funny to laugh at them like a circus act before, but now, we realize -- it`s really not
something to make fun of. I mean, when you take people who need subtitles to speak English, you can`t be surprised when it comes back to bite you in
the keister.
SCHACHER: OK, in the keister. Interesting.
All right. Let`s bring in the behavior bureau. Hopefully, they can answer some of these questions that we have.
Wendy Walsh, psychologist and author of "The 30-Day Love Detox.", Emily Roberts, psychotherapist, and Danine Manette, criminal investigator and
author of "Ultimate Betrayal."
Danine, I know that Dr. Drew usually ends with you. I`m going to begin with you, because I`m going to do things my way. We haven`t heard your
take yet. Please have at it, girl.
DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Well, let me be clear that I keep hearing people say I can`t believe she didn`t believe her own daughter.
She absolutely believed her own daughter. She`s just saying that because she is choosing to have a pair pants in the house and a warm spot in the
bed over her own child, over protecting her own child. She just wants to not be lonely anymore, and that`s the excuse she`s coming up with her head
to justify.
I see it far too often, where women, people in general sell their children down the river so that they can have some company, some companionship or
whatever, and their children end up getting molested, sexually, emotionally abused by these people that they bring in to their life, just because they
don`t want to be lonely anymore.
That`s just her excuse for not -- you know, for wanting to continue this stupid relationship.
SCHACHER: Wendy?
WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, you know, I think -- I sort of agree with Mike in one sense that we were laughing at them as a circus act, but
really, I was crying all the way along, because here`s a young girl that`s been exploited as far as I`m concerned by the producers of this TV show and
her mother for a long time and now she`s put in harm`s way.
I just have one thing to say to Mama June. You know, Mama, there are millions of fish in the sea. Plenty of fish in the sea. You need to
choose this one? This one?
SCHACHER: But, Wendy, that`s the problem. She`s dated a number of people that have been criminals. Even against children, crimes against children.
So, Emily, why is that? Why is she attracted to these type of people? Is it something in her past that perhaps is causing this behavior now?
CATHERWOOD: Yes, why would a handsome woman, why would a catch like Mama June have to relegate herself to such pond scum?
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EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: We`re forgetting is -- I also want you, guys, to remember. She`s not the sharpest tool in the shed. We really --
I mean, if we were to look at this IQ-wise, I don`t know that she`s on the map here, you guys. I mean, she`s really made a lot of poor decisions.
I don`t know that she even has the cognitive ability to make a decision that wouldn`t affect her --
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SCHACHER: Drew thinks that she`s really smart. You heard that the other day, Drew thought that she was really smart and it shouldn`t be about her
intellect, per se, but more so about being exposed to trauma.
ROBERTS: I think she has great management, but I do agree with that, for sure. And here`s what a lot of times can happen, is that if the parents
had their own sexual abuse and their child comes home with -- you know, I guess feeling like they were abused or being abused. In this case she was
abused. Parents deny it all the time, because it brings up their own stuff that they don`t want to deal with. I have a feeling that`s what is
happening here with Mama June.
SCHACHER: Right. And, Wendy, what was crazy yesterday, Anna told the reporter that the only counseling she`s had was from a school counselor
over a decade ago.
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CATHERWOOD: I -- every night on "Loveline", though, we hear from people that have had profound abuse. You would be surprised how people are averse
to the idea of therapy. It`s not for everybody.
WALSH: Mike, it`s not just averse idea of therapy. They can`t afford it. Therapy is a luxury to the wealthy. Come on.
ROBERTS: She can afford it at this point.
WALSH: She can afford it at this point.
I want to address something about the intelligence thing. I think that we`re confusing intelligence with education. She`s uneducated, but she may
not be low intelligence. She`s not emotionally intelligence because of her own violation in her own boundary issues.
SCHACHER: Right. Danine?
MANETTE: Yes. And, Sam, you ask, how was it that she keeps choosing these guys? I think these guys are probably choosing her. They`re probably
seeing her as a good victim. She`s got these kids and, you know, like they said, they go after -- predators go after women hike this who are alone and
have these children and they are probably choosing her.
SCHACHER: OK. What is the answer, you guys? What can Mama June do? At this point, OK, yes, we all know -- I know she`s denying it, but there`s
photographic evidence. So, what should she do? Should she own up, get herself into some counseling and would she have a shot here?
All around the board, we all agree?
WALSH: I agree. She needs some therapy and she needs to dump this guy and she needs some therapy, and she needs to bring her babies close and work on
her relationship with her older daughter.
SCHACHER: I think people would respect that.
Mike?
CATHERWOOD: The horrible icing on this whole cake is how indifferent she seems to be right now and the fact she is being so deceptive and she`s kind
of -- she`s deflecting in such a way that only makes things worse. If she were to come forward with little mea culpa and maybe get some therapy. You
know, we -- people are -- people are very quick to accept when there`s real rehabilitation.
SCHACHER: That`s why people are pissed off is because she just keeps denying, denying, denying.
So, new clues in the mysterious death of a Utah family. Has the case been solved?
And later, a mother`s campaign against sexy clothes for -- get this -- babies. Yes, babies.
Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are shocked and heart broken by the sudden loss of so many members of our family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thirty-seven-year-old Ben Strack, his wife, 36-year- old Kristi, and their three children, ages 11 to 14, were all found dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We went in and found five people in the dead were all deceased.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was no sign of violent trauma. There were no gunshot or stab wounds or anything like that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Stracks were all found in one bedroom, with few clues as to why their lives ended there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it really an accident or was it intentional?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Officers reported there was a red liquid substance coming from the mouth of Kristi Strack. Next to each of the victims was a
cup/drink with a liquid inside.
SCHACHER: Both parts have a bit of a record, Dr. Drew. Unlawful credit card. In 2008, again, unlawful property obtained. Forgery in `08, theft
in `08.
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SCHACHER: I`m Samantha Schacher, sitting in for Dr. Drew tonight. Back with Mike.
There may be a break in the case of a Utah family found dead in their home. Court documents suggest the family was poisoned. Empty cups were found
next to each victim, red liquid coming from the mother`s mouth.
Mike, when we first reported on the story, we didn`t know if it was murder/suicide, is this mass murder? Everybody is talking the family up,
but then some saying the family was really reclusive the past couple of years. So, when you read the report, what did you think?
CATHERWOOD: Honestly, I was very confused. I know, it kind of come as no surprise, but I was very disturbed by this story, kind of macabre nature of
whether or not someone did this to them and then placed them in their beds almost posed them, or if this was in fact a murder-suicide involving an
entire family. There`s just incredibly dark about this story.
SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh. Yes, they were tucked in to their necks. I mean, what the hell.
So, all right. Let`s bring back the panel, Evy, Angie and joining us, Alison Bedell, private investigator and co-host of Spike TV`s "Cast a
Contractor."
Evy, you suspected from the beginning, I remember, that foul play was involved because of how -- as Mike just said -- the bodies were positioned.
POUMPOURAS: Yes. So, there`s two theories. One theory is, did one of the parents do this? Most was it one of the parents? Because I think, I read
a report, it says the door was locked, they were placed a certain way. And the one thing that was interesting is the report stated that it looked like
the bodies were moved post-partum.
SCHACHER: Right.
POUMPOURAS: Post-mortem.
So I would want to know were all the bodies moved or just a couple of them? Because that would indicate that perhaps it was one of the parents.
The other thing I would want the look at is outside that immediate family obviously that`s deceased. This the a very personal, emotional crime, so
to speak. So I would, you know, want to look at everybody to include the son and the live-in girlfriend who lived at the house. I would actually
want to make sure they weren`t part of it.
The one thing I don`t like a little bit is when the son came home, he did not break the door down. He`s a grown man from what I understand, he`s 18
years old. I don`t know his size, but he left to get his grandparents to have his grandparents break the door down.
SCHACHER: Right.
POUMPOURAS: That`s a little bit of an uncomfortable sentiment. Why would you do that? Normally, you would just break the door down on your own,
unless you want somebody there with you, to see what you`re going to see.
I also want to check the outside of that window of that residence. Did somebody go in, lock that door and jump out the window? There`s jus so
many moving parts. It`s a very dark, dark thing.
SCHACHER: And I have to say that the son is not being investigated. He is not a suspect, but I understand the speculation.
Alison, what are your thoughts?
ALISON BEDELL, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: I had also seen a statement that the brother of the husband had been collaborating with a mental illness
institution, national mental illness, and that they`re going to be releasing more information later. It just seems they know something
they`re not telling everybody. Obviously that`s something going on.
And I agree with the thing with the son, that he didn`t break down the door. I thought that was really suspicious, because, obviously, he could
break it down if he needed to. But it really brought me back to the fact that it looks like it would be the parent, and that they had some kind of a
mental illness going on, some sort of thing like maybe religious -- you know, they are in Utah, and that`s a lot of things going on as far as
different religious ways of life.
But I`m thinking that it`s likely something to do with the fact that the family knows there`s something going on, nobody did anything about it. And
this finally came to a head.
I would definitely suspect that the parents were the ones who first medicated their children, moved their bodies in such a position and
medicated themselves subsequently.
SCHACHER: I can`t even think about that. Angie, what is your theory?
GREENUP: It`s interesting, we all have our things that we saw as red flags when we read this report. For me, it was that the maternal grandmother,
Christie the mom, her mother, the first thing out of her mouth to the police was, I can`t believe she would do this to her kids. If the mother
is saying that about her own daughter, she`s already suspicious of her. So now everyone should be suspicious. I think the mom was the ringleader
behind all this. It`s so awful and terrible.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t know how she said it, though.
SCHACHER: Let`s discuss what was found in the trash can, you guys. Ten empty boxes of nighttime flu medication, nine and a half empty blister
packs for cold and flu medication, two empty boxes of allergy medication. Multiple empty bottles of liquid methadone. Were they making some sort of
a concoction?
POUMPOURAS: It looks like they were trying to throw in as much as they could to make sure nobody survived this, unfortunately. And lets you know
also that they took this voluntarily. So whoever gave this to them is somebody they know and felt comfortable with. This is a staged event, this
is someone close to the family, either one of the parents or somebody very close, who staged this whole thing for whatever reason.
I would also want to know about the relationship between the two parents. I`ve been hearing conflicting reports. Perhaps that they were separated or
perhaps they had issues. I would want to know what was going on there. I would also want to know again the relationship between the grandparents and
the parents, as well as the son and the girlfriend who lives inside the residence.
CATHERWOOD: Where did this liquid methadone come from, too? Are they in recovery? Methadone is not something you just come by unless you`re
obtaining it illegally or you are prescribed it in order to come off of something that`s opiate based.
SCHACHER: That`s a good question, and in fact, I want you to ask the neighbor, because we have, coming up next, a former neighbor who was
friends with the family. Is he or -- and later, why are some cute little girls dropping the f bomb in a viral video? We`ll explain. Back after
this.
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SCHACHER: What if it was poisoning because of a mass suicide?
POUMPOURAS: They were all in the same room. What are the chances of a family like that collectively being all in the same room and then that
happening?
PINSKY: My understanding is that the dad had been missing work for long periods of time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For a couple of weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To hear they also home schooled their children was interesting to me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They were I guess in the process of getting a divorce at the time.
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SCHACHER: I`m Sam Schacher back with Mike and the behavior bureau. Wendy, Emily and Danine. We`re talking about the Utah family found dead in their
home. Police now believe the cause of death may have been poison. Joining us on the phone, Jill Hoover. She was a close friend to the family. Jill,
let`s start off with your question, Mike. You had a really interesting question in the last segment in regard to the methadone.
CATHERWOOD: Methadone is not something that people just obtain. Were either of the parents in recovery, coming off of heroine or an opiate based
painkiller?
HOOVER: They were both in recovery.
SCHACHER: Oh, wow, OK.
CATHERWOOD: And everybody was kind of aware -- everybody in their close circle was aware that they were using methadone as like a substitution
medication?
HOOVER: I didn`t know anything about it until today.
SCHACHER: Jill, I`m so sorry that you`re going through this, I really am. I understand you`ve been -- I understand you`ve been in contact with their
oldest son. What has he told you?
HOOVER: You know, I haven`t talked to him as of today. I haven`t been able to talk to him. (inaudible) concert (ph) right now, and so I will try
and get ahold of him, but I know he`s just destroyed, as we all are.
SCHACHER: Right. Now, it`s been a few weeks, and new information has now come out. So let us know what do you think happened to this family? Do
you have any theories at all?
HOOVER: You know, no, I don`t. I just, umm, I don`t know. I guess murder-suicide.
SCHACHER: Did they have any marital problems that you knew of? Because we`ve heard some conflicting reports that they were split up, then they
were reconciling. Did you know the truth in all this?
HOOVER: When we lived next door to them, Ben did not live there.
SCHACHER: Ok. Wow.
HOOVER: So I know that they were separated. She and I would talk about marriage problems and things like that. I don`t know where he was. I
don`t know him all that well.
SCHACHER: Thank you, Jill. Wendy, do you think it`s murder-suicide? What are you thinking?
WALSH: Well, it`s one of three things. It is either murder-suicide, probably by the estranged husband coming back. Or God forbid the teenage
son, who had a vendetta, which we don`t know about that, or it is some stranger crazy maniac people who put something in the Kool-Aid and came in
from outside.
I actually think murder-suicide seems the most plausible, especially now to hear that they were in recovery, which is a very vulnerable time for
addicts anyway. Within the first couple of years of recovery, they can fall off the wagon and dangerous things can happen. And the fact that the
kids were home schooled means it`s an insular family, so things can be going on that are dysfunctional, and there`s no extended family to reach in
to them.
SCHACHER: Danine, when you first read the reports, you typically think of theories that none of us even contemplate. So what went through your head
when you first learned of this story?
MANETTE: I thought it was suspicious from the beginning. The fact that -- the pictures that they`re showing are of little kids. But that was like a
9 or 10-year-old picture. These kids were young teenagers hanging out in their parents` bedroom. I can`t even get my kids to respond to my text
messages. That was strange in and of itself.
But I absolutely and completely feel like this was a murder-suicide, and I think it was a murder-suicide at the hands of the mother, for a few
reasons.
No. 1, the way they were all tucked in, that`s something a mother would do. No. 2, the door was locked from the inside. I think the mother did that.
No. 3, the mother was the only one that had red substance on the corner of her mouth, which means I believe she gave the liquid to the rest of the
family, tucked them all in, (inaudible), wiped their mouths, cleaned them up, took it herself, laid down, and she probably regurgitated some of the
liquid as she was dying. And fourth, because of what the mother said, the grandmother said, I can`t believe she would do this. Those four things
lead me to believe it was something the mother did.
SCHACHER: You have painted such a grisly picture. Emily, I know you agree. We know they also had money problems. Could that have something to
do with it too?
ROBERTS: They had money problems. Apparently according to something I saw online, they weren`t together. Ben, the father, I believe, they were not
together. They had been separated for a little bit or they didn`t know if they were living together anymore. There was some confusion there. If she
had some of the -- gosh, I think it`s the mom, too. Only because the grandmother said it, too. I just can`t get over that. That was the one
thing for me I couldn`t get over.
CATHERWOOD: One thing we know is some day, we`re going to find out the truth, and this is going to make an excellent episode of "Forensic Files."
Speaking of that, hold on, after Dr. Drew on Call, you can see "Forensic Files," and if you miss it, HLN will make sure to air it 432 times before
the end of this week. So you can always catch it anytime.
SCHACHER: Did they pay you to say that? Wow. I want to thank Jill for calling in. Thank you, Jill, I know you are going through a lot. Thanks
for joining us. And wishing you and your family the best.
Next, little girls cursing for a cause. And later, are you oversexualizing your child by dressing her in sexy clothes for Halloween? Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The potty mouthed princesses that have sparked controversy and contention online.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pretty.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pretty.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pretty.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What the [ bleep ]! I`m not (inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m pretty [ bleep ] powerful.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And ready for success.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So what is more offensive, a little girl saying [ bleep ].
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Or the [ bleep ] unequal and sexist way.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Society treats girls and women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s our future, so listen up, grownups.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here`s some words more [ bleep ] up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Than the word [ bleep ].
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pay inequality. Women are paid 23 percent less than men.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the exact same [ bleep ] work!
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SCHACHER: I`m Sam Schacher in for Dr. Drew. We`re talking about the video from SCKhate.com that features little girls, you saw it, dressed as
princesses and dropping f bombs. The point you may wonder to bring attention to the big problems, such as getting paid less than men and being
victimized. Mike, as the new dad of a daughter, what are your thought when you saw this?
CATHERWOOD: I`m all for the idea of leveling the playing field. Of course, women should get fair pay for fair work.
SCHACHER: Yes, it`s 2014.
CATHERWOOD: It`s asinine that we even have to have this conversation. I just don`t understand what is achieved by having a little girl swear. I
mean, adopting one of the worst characteristics of men, having a potty mouth, really doesn`t do anything but lower women`s standards to men in a
weird way. I feel like they should do a video of girls that age outscoring a bunch of little boys on tests and stuff and show -- that would be a great
idea to promote the idea that women deserve more, I don`t understand what it does.
SCHACHER: I just wonder if we wouldn`t be talking about it or it wouldn`t be getting as much attention on social media if it wasn`t children
swearing. I agree. I think it is exploiting children. But I do like that we`re having this dialogue, I am sorry.
CATHERWOOD: You make a good point. It is eye catching. It does -- it is thought provoking in a way, and also the commercials themselves are
artistically pretty cool. The little girls are kind of good actors, and the visual of it is eye catching. So I`m -- the point is missed on me. I
don`t know if --
SCHACHER: Are people listening to the message.
CATHERWOOD: Exactly. If it gets the message across, who cares.
SCHACHER: Let`s see what Wendy, Danine and Kelvin think. We`re back with them. We posted a poll on our Facebook, you guys, our Facebook page,
asking whether you would be okay with your young daughter dropping the f bomb to promote feminism. Here are the results so far. 15 percent say
yes. 85 percent say no. Danine, what are your thoughts?
MANETTE: Obnoxious, repulsive, offensive. Need I go on? I am so sick of adults taking children and using them to promote their adult causes. These
little girls aren`t interested in joining the workforce right now. They want to go out and play with their friends, they want to draw pictures,
they want to be a child. I`m offended by the fact that they are putting an adult agenda on children. I don`t need to be offended in order to get my
attention. I don`t need to see heads chopped off to know ISIS needs to stop. What are they going to do next, have the little girls fight off a
rapist so that they can get our attention? Don`t know why you have to offend me to get my attention. I`m listening.
SCHACHER: Wendy?
You know this video is getting a lot of criticism, but isn`t the message valid? The message.
WALSH: No, this is no way to get the message across. And anyway, this isn`t done by the National Organization for Women, this is done by some t-
shirt company trying to sell t-shirts.
(CROSSTALK)
WALSH: I have to divulge something. I myself use the f word a lot. In fact, I have a video on my own Youtube channel about why there is this
gender discrimination that is considered unlady-like in some way. But never in a million years do I think this makes sense for little girls. I
think it`s exploitive. I think the word is, the meaning of the word is a sexual act, did you know that? Think about it.
SCHACHER: Wendy, you also love using the p word.
WALSH: I do, pussy -- no, when I`m talking about Pussy Galore.
(CROSSTALK)
WALSH: That`s a character from a movie. That`s not a bad word.
SCHACHER: OK. But I do want to get a little polemic here, and you brought up the t-shirt company. They do give -- I agree they`re exploiting the
children, I don`t like that, but they do give proceeds of that t-shirt company to some of these causes. I`d rather people wear a t-shirt that
promotes a social message of equality rather than promoting Mountain Dew. Kelvin, what are your thoughts?
(CROSSTALK)
WALSH: That`s right, hopefully they do, what do you think?
WASHINGTON: I`m thinking, who are the parents that were okay with this?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly.
WASHINGTON: Do we need to go back to Momma June in the sense that I`ll do whatever to exploit my daughter to get some notoriety for even myself? Go,
little Sarah. What are the parents thinking doing this? And again, yes, there was a message. But here`s the problem, we completely missed the
message, because all we talk about is the f word being used. So no one is really addressing the actual issues. They had really valid points in that,
but the minute you hear it, you think, how bad is it going to get? Are they going to say f again? Are they going to say mother f? You start to
wonder how far it`s going to go. So using children was a terrible idea. If they`re going for shock value, then they succeeded. There are several
other ways they could have gone about it.
CATHERWOOD: You see it all the time now, especially with the Internet.
(CROSSTALK)
CATHERWOOD: There`s a big difference when your only purpose is to entertain and when you are some type of a civil rights group or a social
activism group. When you`re trying to get some bigger message across, your tactics can never degrade your actual message. Sometimes when people are
too aggressive with things, that`s what happens. Unfortunately that`s what has happened here.
SCHACHER: It`s a little cringeworthy, a lot cringeworthy to watch those young girls cuss. I agree.
So next, should tweens get sexy for Halloween or is something wrong with that? Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Halloween costume controversy. It`s all over Instagram and Twitter. #Toosoon, or #getoverit. That`s the question when
it comes to costumes, especially the ones inspired by bad news of the day. Women as naughty nurses in Ebola hazmat gear. Men in black as ISIS
fighters, complete with knives and lady friends. Then there`s the pot leaf costume for your baby.
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SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh. What is going on? I`m Sam Schacher sitting in for Dr. Drew tonight. Back with Mike, Wendy, Danine and Kelvin. Kelvin, okay,
really? ISIS, Ebola, sexy Ebola outfit? What are your thoughts?
WASHINGTON: We`ve gone too far. This has gotten ridiculous. Both of those things, people have died from. You have people who are dying in
other countries from Ebola daily. You have people in other counties who are being terrorized from ISIS. We have gone too far. I know there`s the
need to one-up your friends with the costumes, maybe they had a great one last year. I`ve got an idea, this will top them. We don`t need to go
there. This is going too far. This is a real-life concern, and people are really dying from this stuff. We have got to scale it back a little bit.
This is going too far.
SCHACHER: Wendy, is this because of social media? Why do people need to shock and awe everybody and post it on their Instagram or their Twitter?
WALSH: I think this young generation has forgotten what the holiday is about. It`s called All Hallow`s Eve. It`s supposed to be the hallows who
come out in the evening, people who have died. So it`s supposed to be about skeletons, ghosts, flying witches, people who have been, you know,
dead, spirits coming, right? So instead, they`re depicting what they`re most afraid of today, which is terrorism and Ebola.
CATHERWOOD: I don`t think that`s the case. Wendy, you`re bringing up a lot of good points, and it`s very insightful, but I think for people who
are wearing the sexy Ebola outfit and people wearing the ISIS outfit are people looking to get attention. They`re very unfunny people that
everybody knows that every year -- like seven years ago, there were seven guys that went as Borat, and everybody hates that guy. Then eight years
ago there was the guy -- 40 people who showed up as Ron Burgundy. And everybody hates that guy. And 10 years ago--
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love Ron Burgundy.
(CROSSTALK)
CATHERWOOD: I understand. Everybody loves Ron Burgundy and Borat. It`s just that the very unclever people who are like, I`m going to have the best
Halloween costume, they don`t get it, it`s not funny. And if you`re going to wear the ISIS outfit, go ahead, man, it`s a free country. You just
can`t sue when the Marine who is also at the Halloween party you`re at punches you directly in the face.
SCHACHER: Danine, have at it.
MANETTE: What I don`t understand is how these parents are protesting all of these costumes that they think are inappropriate for kids. Guess what?
Don`t buy them. You are a parent. Parent is a verb, it`s not just a noun. It`s a verb. So if you don`t want your kids wearing these pot costumes, or
the kitty cat that looks too sexy, don`t buy it. The complaint is about Babies R Us. Babies don`t go to the store and buy anything. Somebody has
to drive them and pay for it. Wake up, people.
(CROSSTALK)
SCHACHER: Can we see that picture back again with the young girl -- so that`s the child`s version.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is for 9-year-olds.
SCHACHER: That`s totally sexualized.
So Mike, tell me, can you imagine dressing your little daughter in something like that? Final thought?
CATHERWOOD: I can`t. But I have to say, it`s no better or worse than a lot of outfits that are worn on a day to day basis. So I mean, I think
that a lot of --
(CROSSTALK)
SCHACHER: We`ve got to go. We`ve got to go. Sorry. Thanks to Dr. Drew for letting me borrow his chair. Thanks to Mike Catherwood. I can`t
believe you entrusted us. You just broke your brain. DVR us and watch us anytime. "FORENSIC FILES" is next.
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