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Michael Brown's Stepfather Investigated; Questions about Pot in Michael Brown's System; Docs Reveal Cosby's Attempt to Squash Allegations; Synthetic Drugs Are Killing Kids; Source: Powerful Wife of ISIS Leader Captured
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ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT tonight, investigators pursuing possible charges in Ferguson against Michael Brown's stepfather. Could he be charged with attempting to incite riots?
Plus synthetic designer drugs exploding in popularity available online easily and they're deadly. A special report tonight.
And a powerful wife of a top ISIS leader arrested with her son. Her husband now desperately trying to save that son. Could her arrest lead to the ISIS boss' capture or death?
Let's go OUTFRONT.
And good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, Ferguson Police looking to bring new charges in the wake of the Ferguson riots. This time, the focus of their investigation Michael Brown's stepfather, Louis Head.
It's this outburst right after the grand jury decision not to indict Darren Wilson in the shooting death of Michael Brown that is at the heart of this investigation.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LOUIS HEAD, HUSBAND OF LESLEY MCSPADDEN: Burn this mother (EXPLETIVE DELETED) down. Burn this bitch down. Burn this bitch down. Burn this bitch down.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: And that is exactly what happened. That night angry protesters burned Ferguson businesses and police cars after Head's spoke. The question is, could he be charged with attempting to incite those riots?
And more than a week later the protests are continuing today. Hundreds of students from three high schools around Ferguson walked out of school this morning, with hands in the air accompanied by their teachers. CNN has also learned today that off-duty officers from police
departments in the area around Ferguson have been providing round-the- clock protection to Darren Wilson since the shooting. And they continue to do so. Now the reason, according to a police union leader, is that Ferguson police are either unwilling or unable to provide that protection.
George Howell begins our coverage tonight OUTFRONT in Ferguson.
And George, the focus there is now on -- we just played it. That-- you know, that we kept saying burn this bitch down, burn this bitch down, Michael Brown's stepfather.
GEORGE HOWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Erin, good evening. And you know what, important to also point out that police are looking into every angle. Any person that could have been responsible for the damage here in Ferguson, but yes, they are looking specifically at those comments that you heard. That comments that were caught on tape and the question, could a singular voice helped to shift the mood here and lead to the looting and riots?
HOWELL (voice-over): A police car set on fire. Images of officers using smoke and tear gas to disperse the crowd. Scenes of unrest and looting.
These are the images now seared into the minds of people who watched events play out in Ferguson, Missouri, just minutes after the county prosecutor announced a grand jury decided not to indict Officer Darren Wilson. But was there a singular moment that prompted the violence?
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson says they are now investigating whether in this moment caught on tape, Michael Brown's stepfather, Louis Head, was trying to incite a riot.
HEAD: Burn this mother (EXPLETIVE DELETED) down. Burn this bitch down. Burn this bitch down. Burn this bitch down.
HOWELL: Regrettable comments according to Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden. In an interview with CNN's Sunny Hostin, she tried to put it into context.
LESLEY MCSPADDEN, MICHAEL BROWN'S MOTHER: His emotions was taking over him, just like mine. He just spoke out of anger. It's one thing to speak and it's a different thing to act. He did not act. He just spoke out of anger.
I'm a grieving mother. That's my husband. So when you're that hurt and the system has did you this wrong, you may say some things as well. We've all spoke out of anger before.
HOWELL: At this point, no charges have been filed, but police plan to interview Head and have already interviewed people who know him.
Brown's family attorney condemned the outburst when it happened and again on CNN.
BENJAMIN CRUMP, ATTORNEY FOR MICHAEL BROWN JR.'S FAMILY: And it's indefensible. It is not appropriate in anyway. We don't condone peek acting on emotion, calling for people to do irresponsible things at all. And so we want his family, his mother and father message to come across louder than anybody who might be associated with him or around him. They can't control what others do but they can control what they pray for.
HOWELL: George Howell, CNN, Ferguson, Missouri.
BURNETT: And OUTFRONT now Dino Bongino, a former NYPD officer.
Dan, you know, you just heard Michael Brown's mother saying look, her husband didn't act on that hateful comment. She said it was just a moment of emotion. He was speaking out of anger, that everyone does that. Do you think he should be charged?
DANIEL BONGINO, FORMER NYPD OFFICER: You know, I -- sadly, yes, I do. And it gives me no joy to say that. I'm sure he was hurting. I completely understand. I'm sure the mother was in unspeakable pain. She lost her son. But you have to remember, Erin, that doesn't give you permission to go out there and call for you burning something down.
That keep in mind, he wasn't talking about burning down his property, he was talking about burning down everybody else's property. And when he asked for the mike, I think that proves pretty conclusively intent. He didn't just say it once or twice. It was a Freudian slip.
BURNETT: He did say it multiple times. You're right about that. But, you know, there was a lot of damage being done before he even spoke. Right? If you look at the timing of this, there were already crowds in the streets, there were people, you know, who were there with the intent to do harm to begin with.
He spoke two miles away from the worst of the damage in terms of, you know, if you're going to say where the people right around him who are already out there, who heard what he said, did they go do this? He was two miles away. Is he just a convenient scapegoat for what happened?
BONGINO: Well, I appreciate the context, Erin. You're correct. But that doesn't absolve him of his specific actions and his criminality. Those other people are going to have to be tried separately on potentially separate charges whether it'd be looting, petty larceny, grand larceny. You can't do what he did. Is he a scapegoat? No. I don't -- no one forced him to say that.
And if -- you know, Erin, if he had said it once in context, out of anger, and then went on and just screamed and yelled something different, I think everybody would get it. But it wasn't once. I counted about six or seven times and then he asks for a microphone. And remember, I think the context actually hurts his case, it doesn't help it because there had already been incidents of things burning down. So calling for it again I think hurts him. It doesn't help him.
LEMON: Don Lemon is joining me here on set.
Don, you hear Dan making the case. He's saying, look, he said it again and again and again. He's not a scapegoat. Yes, he was going through pain but sadly yes, he should be charged. There are others who say, look, the KKK was out the week before, distributing leaflets. There were people who wanted there to be riots. And if you're going to charge someone, why do you pick him?
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR, "CNN TONIGHT": There are enough charges to go around. And obviously, I -- listen, I want to make this clear. No one is making excuses for what Louis Head said. It was reprehensible.
BURNETT: Yes. It was horrible.
LEMON: Where I come from this, I don't know how I would react if my loved one died. I don't know. Regardless of the circumstances. If my loved one was in the wrong, I don't know how I would react. And also -- Jeffrey Toobin says this all the time, and I think it's a really poignant point. These are ordinary people who were forced for whatever reasons into extraordinary circumstances.
He should not have said what he said, but if he's going be charged there are enough charges to go around. And I think by doing that -- this is my opinion here. By doing that it would be pouring gasoline on a fire that's already been ignited in that community.
BURNETT: And, Dan, what about that point? I mean, let's just say there are charges enough to go around. And let's just say you could make the argument as you have that he should be among those charged. What about that point, though, that Don makes about it being gasoline on the fire? That that could make this even worse. Is it worth it?
BONGINO: Well, the question, you know, I would have for Don is, do the property owners and the taxpayers of Ferguson who now have to buy new police cars, do they have rights? I mean, does this not pour gasoline on the part --
LEMON: Of course they have rights and I have spoken out -- I have spoken out very strongly --
BONGINO: I didn't finish --
LEMON: I know you didn't. I have spoken out very strongly against the people --
BONGINO: How can you answer?
LEMON: -- who were setting those fires and looting. I was in the middle of it. (CROSSTALK)
BONGINO: But that's not the point I made.
LEMON: And so no one knows better, there are very few people who know any better than I do because I was there.
BONGINO: Well, Don, I was a cop. I think I --
LEMON: I am not agreeing --
BONGINO: I think I can make my point. I think I've earned the right to do that.
LEMON: But you're not a cop in Ferguson. You weren't there the night of the looting and the violence.
BONGINO: Don, you weren't a cop ever anywhere. So I think I have --
LEMON: What does that to do -- what does that have to do with anything?
BONGINO: Because I have actually had people screaming in my face and spitting in my face for many years when I did that.
LEMON: What does that have to do with Louis Head?
BONGINO: Because the entire point I'm trying to make -- you didn't let me finish, by the way -- is, do they have a right? And if they don't have a right to protection, what's to stop --
LEMON: Of course they have a right to protect them, but what does that have to do with charging Louis Head?
BONGINO: Don, listen, you obviously have all the answers, so what's the point?
BURNETT: Dan --
LEMON: No, I'm not saying I have all the answers.
BONGINO: Well, are you going to let me finish my point or are you just going to talk over me?
BURNETT: Well, but Dan, hold on. He's making -- Don is making a specific point which is, why would you make the charges just against him? I mean, why would you go --
BONGINO: Who said that? I did not say that. I think anybody who -- you brought up the point initially of a white supremacist group. If they distributed leaflets that incentivize riots or violence or anything of the sort, they should be locked up and thrown in jail and given a trial like anyone else.
The point I was about to make to Don is that, do the property owners have rights to be protected by the police and if this individual is not at least arrested -- I'm not saying convicted. That's up to a jury. If he is not at least arrested there's clearly no penalty for getting a microphone or asking for one, and telling everyone, hey, burn the neighborhood down. Just go ahead.
LEMON: You sound exactly like the people who are saying that Officer Darren Wilson should be arrested. You understand that, right?
BONGINO: Officer Darren Wilson was put through a grand jury hearing and probably cause wasn't found.
LEMON: So perhaps --
BONGINO: I don't know what else to say about that.
LEMON: Louis Head should be put through a grand jury to see if there's a probable cause. And listen, I'm not defending Louis Head. What I'm saying to you -- I have said that what he said is reprehensible. I have spoken out against all the violence and the people who were out there looting and rioting.
But to pick out this one person because of some angry remarks that he should be charged, I think we need to think twice about that and we need to step back off the ledge and cooler heads should prevail. That's all I'm saying.
BONGINO: Well, Don, we agree. No one is saying that. I'm not saying he should be picked out. Anyone. Let me be clear on this. Anyone responsible for engaging in criminal acts that put a price on someone else whether it be a property burned down, whether they were assaulted, should be arrested and put in front of a trial of their peers like anyone else in a law abiding country. I'm not singling him out, but he has to be responsible for his behavior.
LEMON: I agree with that. But I also think that there is plenty of video, plenty of people who know who the looters, the rioters, and people who are burning, those people should be prosecuted and those people should be arrested.
BONGINO: Well, (INAUDIBLE) --
BURNETT: They pulled those videos on that because as you point out they should be able to find out exactly who those people are.
Thanks very much to both of you.
And next, autopsy results show that Michael Brown had marijuana in his system the day he was killed and quite a lot of it. So we've looked into that. Could the drug have fuelled the entire situation that led to Brown's death?
Plus Bill Cosby's accusers still speaking out. As new legal documents reveal how he may have worked with a tabloid, you know, an exclusive deal. Hey, I'll give you an interview if you don't print the allegations of rape.
And they're called bath salts but they're truly, powerful, deadly drugs that are wildly popular. Our report ahead on how these drugs are getting into the United States.
BURNETT: Breaking news. We are learning tonight that St. Louis Police are meeting to discuss the five players from the St. Louis Rams who walked on to the field Sunday with their arms up in a surrender motion.
The county police department maintains the Rams apologized for the gesture. The St. Louis Police Officers Association called it offensive and inflammatory. But the Rams denied they issued an apology.
The players' show of solidarity has become a rallying cry for protesters who believe Michael Brown had his hands up when he was hot by Officer Darren Wilson. Other witnesses, though, and Wilson said that was not the case. And questions have been raised about whether it was the marijuana in Brown's system that may have contributed to how the 18-year-old reacted that August afternoon.
Kyung Lah is OUTFRONT.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's fantastic.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow.
KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At this Los Angeles medical marijuana clinic it's not just the potential healing properties of marijuana that are being defended.
MIKE, LA BREA COMPASSIONATE CAREGIVERS DISPENSARY: My personal experience, I have never felt a negative bone come out of me when I was medicated.
LAH: Mike, this clinic's so called Bud Tender, is addressing what he says many experience while on the drug. Marijuana's role in behavior was a significant question in the confrontation with Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson. The medical examiner's toxicology report detected 12 nanograms per milliliter of Delta 9 THC in Brown's blood. Delta 9 THC is the active ingredient in marijuana that causes a psychological effect.
At this obviously pro-pot clinic, Mike claims --
MIKE: There is very little that the body is reacting from with having 12 nanograms of THC in the body.
LAH: But the numbers don't tell the story here.
MALIK BURNETT, DRUG POLICY ALLIANCE: No, it's not that simple. It is in fact very difficult to interpret toxicology reports and infer behavior from them.
LAH: As the grand jury learned, much of marijuana's effects on behavior is not standardized or able to be measured. In the grand jury transcripts the word marijuana comes up more than 300 times as prosecutors considered whether Brown's marijuana use influenced the confrontation.
Expert witnesses testified there is no way to know how marijuana would have affected Brown just based on the toxicology report. His weight, his history of usage all come into play. Dr. Malik Burnett whose organization supports decriminalizing marijuana says there is a reason why.
M. BURNETT: Scientists are unable to conduct robust studies and research around this as we are seeing marijuana policy reform occur across the United States. There will be certainly more opportunities for scientists to conduct research and ultimately we will be able to coalesce on a value that will determine impairment and intoxication.
BURNETT: It's amazing, Kyung. There are so many questions about this, and this country has so stunningly and overwhelmingly moved in the direction of saying it's OK to have pot in your system. Drivers in Washington state, though, with THC levels of 5 nanograms can be charged with a DUI.
So as you just reported, Michael Brown had more than twice that level in his system. So does that mean he was two times impaired?
LAH: Not exactly and not necessarily because as you just heard from the doctor is that it is variable and very much difficult to measure by a DUI system. The measurement of how drunk you are is very different than how you are if you're impaired on marijuana. So there's got to be some sort of standard. This autopsy just sort of touches on that.
And you touched on a very important issue, Erin, is that law enforcement is struggling to keep up, doctors are struggling to keep up because the changes are happening on the state level and all of these standards are struggling to keep up -- Erin.
BURNETT: That's amazing.
All right. Thank you very much, Kyung.
And OUTFRONT now is Neil Bruntrager, Darren Wilson's attorney and the general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association.
Neil, it's good to talk to you. You just heard the stats. Right? Marijuana -- the word marijuana was mentioned more than 300 times to the grand jury. The term waxing which refers to making marijuana more potent used at least 44 times by our count.
Why would this happen? Why would prosecutors continually talk about Brown's marijuana use?
NEIL BRUNTRAGER, ATTORNEY FOR DARREN WILSON: Well, I have read the transcripts and I think the prosecutors were talking about them because the grand jurors were asking questions about it. So we can't lose sight of the fact that the grand jury in this capacity acted as an investigative body as well. So when this information comes to them and this was brought to them in the very first instance, of course, by the toxicology report, and then later on by -- I can't remember which number -- the contractor is who talked about waxing.
When these kinds of questions are brought before the grand jury, them asking questions about what this means is a perfectly appropriate thing for them to do. So again, I agree certainly with what you -- the information you put forward. We really can't tell. I don't know that it made a difference one way or another in the events as they unfurled that day.
BRUNTRAGER: And again this information, though, has to be answered. And I think that's what they were doing.
BURNETT: All right. Yes. Because one of the things that surprised me reading the testimony, you talk about this contractor. He was at work on a construction site.
BURNETT: Saw Michael Brown and his friend walking by he believes on their way to the convenience store. And they were -- a brief discussion, I guess, theoretically about pot and then he said something like, well, you should try waxing. They kind of -- to his view just blew them off and kept on walking.
So given that they blew him off and kept on walking, I was surprised, I guess, to see that there continued to be questions from the prosecutor about what waxing was because it didn't seem it was really relevant.
BRUNTRAGER: Well, play that into the grand jury at this point. You know, I mean, again, while marijuana and its use becomes more prevalent, as we legalize it around the country.
BRUNTRAGER: I don't know. I have no idea certainly what the -- what the grand jurors' ideas or knowledge of marijuana and its effects are. So again, you have to play that into this, too, because for most grand jurors, this is probably a novelty. So again they want to know those things, they want to ask those questions. I think it was appropriate for them to do it.
BURNETT: Do -- here's the bottom line. And, Neil, do you think that marijuana played a role in what happened that day and what Michael Brown did in the struggle?
BRUNTRAGER: I don't know, Erin. And again, I'd like to tell you yes. I simply don't know. And I don't think we'll ever know. But, you know, again, in listening to the story as I was waiting, and had information about I've never felt a negative bone in my body, we do know, we do know that just a few moments before he encounters Darren Wilson that he's in the store. And there's no way to really argue that that behavior was not aggressive.
We have to look at that and realize that whatever was going on it certainly preexisted his encounter with Darren Wilson because that videotape doesn't lie.
BURNETT: And Neil, I want to ask you about the Rams. The St. Louis County Police Department is at odds with the St. Louis Rams obviously over whether the team actually apologized. Right? Those five players went out, put their arms in the air in a motion of surrender, on Sunday.
The St. Louis Police Officers Associations said the players, in their words, chose to ignore the mountains of evidence that was presented to the grand jury. And that they say the team then later apologized. The team says they did not apologize.
Why do you feel those players were wrong in doing what they did?
BRUNTRAGER: Well, I don't think they're wrong in what they did because it's America. They have a right to make a statement but they need to understand what that statement means. So again, the narrative that we have complained about and the reason we think they're wrong, of course, is because there is a false narrative. We know that the information we have about this "hands up, don't shoot" came from Dorian Johnson.
If there's one witness that has been discredited throughout this whole thing it's been Dorian Johnson. And the sad part about this is that that has become the symbol for this -- for this incident.
BURNETT: Well, you know, we've had people, though, interpret the autopsy reports --
BRUNTRAGER: And we think it's based on --
BURNETT: -- who have said you can't rule out what his arms were doing.
BURNETT: I mean, it doesn't seem that there is a definitive answer.
BRUNTRAGER: Well, but when you listen to what Michael Baden said, well, Michael Baden who was hired by the Brown family came in and spoke on his very first autopsy or his first discussion of this, he said that all indications are from the front. The medical examiner said they're all from the front. There's only one person that didn't say that they're all from the front and he didn't actually do the autopsy.
So again I would tell you that I think the forensic evidence and I think the physical evidence disputes that argument.
BURNETT: OK. BRUNTRAGER: But, look, they have a right to make that statement. I
don't in any way, shape or form, challenge the right to make a statement but there are consequences to that sort of thing. And they need to understand that. And if they really wanted to make a statement, why haven't they been up in Ferguson? You know, I've lived here all my life. I have been in Ferguson. I haven't seen them. If they really want to make a statement about unity, why aren't they up there?
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Neil. And I do, to that point, just for our viewers to know at least, what we have with the "St. Louis Dispatch" is that the players from the Rams were advised to remain out of Ferguson during the protests. Obviously post protest we're not sure.
Well, as we mentioned the fact that Michael Brown had marijuana in his system is a major point of debate when it comes to his interaction with Officer Darren Wilson.
Our chief medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta is out front.
And Sanjay, this number, right, we know he had pot in his system, 12 nanograms per milligram of blood. Can you put that into context? Because it sounded like, you know, in one state, 5 gets you a DUI. So it sounds like a lot.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: It's really challenging with something like marijuana as compared to alcohol, for example, that you could make those sort of assessments more easily. Someone who has taken a single puff, for example, of marijuana, their levels could be into the teens pretty quickly and get up into the hundreds if someone is actively smoking marijuana.
The real question becomes is someone sort of just starting to smoke? Are they on the upswing or are they coming down from having taken in marijuana previously? Because what happens with marijuana oftentimes it sort of stays in the fat cells in the body and can continue to register a pretty high level even though someone is no longer feeling impaired. So it's -- that's why you keep hearing over and over again it's tough to correlate behavior or impairment with the specific level.
That five number that you pull out of Washington state has been a source of controversy for that very reason.
BURNETT: Yes. Right. And I know there have been reports that in some people certain levels can cause aggressive behavior and I know people in law enforcement may have a different view of what marijuana does to the system, than the common view out there, right, which is that it makes you calm and mellow.
I mean, is it possible that marijuana made Mike Brown aggressive or impaired his judgment to the fact that he made very poor decisions when dealing with Officer Wilson?
GUPTA: Well, you know, so there is science behind some of this. Obviously there is a lot of anecdotal stories about how people perceived people based on the substance that they were taking. When we say it makes somebody violent, what are we really saying? If you look at alcohol, for example, it's not necessary that alcohol makes somebody violent but it can disinhibit somebody.
So while they may normally be inhibited, obviously those inhibitions are gone and they may act out. There is also a decrease in the perception of threat like when you're a kid you think you're going to get punished if you do something wrong. Alcohol in a person who is older takes away some of that perception of threat.
What they say with regard to marijuana or cannabis is that in moderate or even high doses you don't see those things happening. So you -- that's why you're not getting the sort of concomitant violent behavior. Where there is some concern between marijuana and potentially violent behavior is someone who is withdrawing, for example. They can become more irritable, they can become more anxious, and perhaps have some more violent tendencies.
But I think, Erin, what you said is right. I think for the most part the science did not seem to indicate a relationship between marijuana and violence.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Sanjay.
GUPTA: You got it.
BURNETT: And now 17 women are accused of -- accusing Bill Cosby of sexual assaulting them. We have new details tonight that Cosby may have conspired with a newspaper to discredit some accusers.
And undercover cameras go inside the world of synthetic designer drugs flooding into the United States from China and killing American kids. That report ahead.
BURNETT: New details tonight in the explosive rape allegations against Bill Cosby. CNN has obtained legal documents showing what may have been an attempt by Cosby to squash allegations of rape in 2005 by using media to discredit these women. For almost a decade, the now 77-year-old comedian has escaped intense scrutiny. He is now facing allegations from at least 17 women.
Jean Casarez is OUTFRONT.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was almost 10 years ago that former Temple University employee Andrea Constand stepped forward with allegations of sexual assault by Bill Cosby. Back then, the backlash was swift.
Sources connected with big Cosby tell Celebrity Justice that before his accuser went to police, her mother asked the comedian to make things right with money. Less than a month later, in March 2005, the "National Enquirer" does an exclusive interview with Bill Cosby, on among other things discrediting the alleged victim. "I am not going to give into people who try to exploit me because of my celebrity status."
Six days after that article hit the newsstands, Constand filed the one and only civil suit against Bill Cosby alleged battery, assault, and defamation of her character through an elaborate media campaign.
(on camera): Legal documents obtained by CNN alleged Cosby knew fully well that Constand wasn't asking for money.
(voice-over): The documents filed by Constand's attorney say, "In January 2005, the defendant asked plaintiff and her mother what they wanted and they replied that all they wanted was an apology."
In fact, the document shows that Cosby called Constand's mother after the conversation and he offered to pay for Andrea's education.
In spring of 2005, another alleged victim of Cosby's read the negative press and wanted to lend her support.
BETH FERRIER, COSBY ACCUSER: I wanted to reach out and I called the editor at that time, "The National Enquirer."
CASAREZ: Beth Ferrier claims she was drugged and assaulted by Cosby in the mid '80s and even provided CNN with a polygraph she took at the request of the "National Enquirer" to help prove her story was true.
FERRIER: I was more concerned for my safety and for people to believe me, since I didn't have photos of Mr. Cosby and myself.
CASAREZ: But she says "The Enquirer" wouldn't publish her story.
Cosby admitted in a deposition in 2005, he knew of Ferrier's allegations and he agreed to give "The Enquirer" an interview if they keep Ferrier out. "So you knew when this article was printed, you had to make the public believe that Andrea was not telling the truth?" Cosby, "Yes."
Andrea Constand settled her suit out of court, and despite other alleged victims coming forward, Cosby's career has been undisturbed until now.
CASAREZ: And Andrea Constand leads a very private life now in Canada. She's a message therapist. She has never spoken out, Erin. We don't know why, but many times when there is a settlement agreement, that's part of the stipulation that you don't talk.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Jean.
And joining me now, our legal analyst Paul Callan. He's a criminal defense attorney. And Stacey Honowitz, prosecutor in Florida who is a supervisor in the sex crimes and child abuse unit. One question that a lot of people have in the story, whether they believe Bill Cosby or they believe the accusers is, why did it take so long to hear from so many of these people?
CNN has now heard from quite a few of them and I just wanted to play for you, you know, what a couple of them said as to why they didn't speak out earlier.
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BARBARA BOWMAN, ALLEGES SHE WAS RAPED BY BILL COSBY: I was afraid for my life. I was looked directly in the eye by Bill Cosby and said I had better never ever see your face or hear your name again. And I listened.
JEWEL ALLISON, ALLEGES BILL COSBY SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER: Afraid no one's going to believe you. Afraid society is going to victimize you all over again. You don't want to go around reliving this over and over again in the public's eye.
JANICE DICKINSON, ALLEGES COSBY RAPED HER IN 1982: I didn't do the right thing. I didn't report it. I didn't go to rape counseling. And you know what? I was afraid but I'm not afraid anymore.
(END VIDEO CLIPS)
BURNETT: That's what I heard from a couple of women I spoke to. They were humiliated and didn't want to tell their families.
When you hear this, Stacey, do you believe them?
STACEY HONOWITZ, SEX CRIMES PROSECUTOR: Well, I believe what their actions were like because I prosecute these cases every day. And this is the same type of behavior that you see in everyday cases when the defendant or perpetrator is not a celebrity or an entertainer.
Women always say that they feel humiliated. They're embarrassed. They don't want to talk about it. The details of a rape are very private and very delicate.
And imagine having to discuss private parts and what happened and intercourse and someone forcing themselves upon you to people that you don't even know, let alone the world.
So the idea that they're coming forward this late is not unusual. This behavior is seen all the time and I see it all the time in all the cases that we received in my offices. People come forward 10, 20, 30 years later to tell their story.
PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: There's another fact if I could add to what Stacey said and I agree with everything she said. These women, a lot of these women were in the entertainment industry. Some were models and some were actresses. So, they have another level of pressure, either careers going to be destroyed if they make an allegation against this famous powerful guy? So, that was another issue that all of these women had to deal with, loss of job in addition to humiliation. So, I think it's a big factor.
BURNETT: And now, the issue is also what can happen at this point. Obviously, there has now been damage to Bill Cosby's career and his legacy, although he is continuing with his comedy tour that he's on now. A few cancellations but he is continuing with it. But the issue of proof is another big question, right? Rape kits in these incidents happened and even after that there is not proof. It's happened before.
Here's what Janice had to say about that.
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DICKINSON: Look at how it's blowing up now on me. I'm being slandered and called -- that I lie. Bull (EXPLETIVE DELETED) attorneys. I am not lying. You weren't there. I can prove it with Polaroids. Put a lie detector test on me and put a lie detector test on the attorneys and put a lie detector test on Mr. Bill Monster Cosby.
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BURNETT: Paul, can -- is any of this relevant?
CALLAN: Well, you know, when you can fill a small bust with the number of women who have come forward and say this happened, it starts to sound believable, even though they are old claims. But can you bring a criminal case? No. Statute of limitations is gone. Civil cases are problematic as well.
But what I wonder about is this -- somebody who has done this to this many women, why would it suddenly stop? You know, the male libido often continues on and he's a rich powerful guy. I'm just wondering, will other women step forward? If they do and it's within the statute of limitations, yes, you could have a possible criminal case.
BURNETT: Stacey, what do you think about no one coming forward since 2005?
HONOWITZ: Well, listen, you know, these women took a long time to come forward and who knows what's going to be in the future. But, you know, Erin, there's strength in numbers. Lots of time women when they hear other women, all of these women came forward now after Andrea came forward.
I mean, they want to take their time. They might be in therapy right now. They might be waiting for the proper time to come forward. So, we're going to have to wait and see, and there could be cases later on that will fall within the statute. And, in fact, there could be criminal cases down the line. You haven't seen the end of this.
And we don't know why it stopped at this point. We're going to have to wait and see what comes forth. Rape victims, I have gone to grand juries 30, 35 year later. So, we're going to have to wait and see.
BURNETT: Stacey, thank you. Next, synthetic designer drugs, a lot of them are being smuggled into
the United States and they're coming from China. They are killing a lot of Americans and kids. We're going to show you what undercover cameras found. That's a special report, next.
And a wife of the leader of ISIS said to be heavily involved in the terror organization. She is now under arrest. Could she help the U.S. find the most wanted terrorists in the world?
BURNETT: Tonight's money and power, the new drug war. Synthetic designer drugs known as Spice, K2 and bath salts have exploded in popularity and they are killing teens, including 18-year-old Christian Bjork (ph) and 17-year-old Elijah Sty (ph). We're going to learn much more about them in tonight's special deadly high at 9:00 Eastern.
But for years, little was known about these drugs, except for this, they were designed to imitate the highs of drugs like LSD and meth. Now, they are part of a drug crisis facing America.
Drew Griffin is OUTFRONT.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There is a new drug war underway. At Los Angeles International, the new battle is trying to intercept synthetic designer drugs.
Customs inspectors open and test suspicious packages looking for what's not listed on custom forms. This package claims to contain plastic. It turns out to be bath salts, a chemically produced synthetic stimulant that mimics meth.
TREVOR RUDALAVIGE, DEA: It's methylone, which is a scheduled controlled substance. So, this can be treated as a scheduled controlled substance.
GRIFFIN: And it came from the country that according to the DEA, is manufacturing and shipping most of the synthetic drugs worldwide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From China, mainland China.
GRIFFIN: It's no secret to law enforcement where it comes from and it's no secret to drug dealers seeking to become entrepreneurs in the new world of designer drugs.
CHARLES CARLTON, FOUNDER, MOTION RESOURCE: Any laboratory in China, if you send them what's called a cast number, which is it is just a number that's designated to every chemical substance that exists. As long as it's not scheduled, they will manufacture it for you specifically. It's called a custom synthesis, and ship it to you.
GRIFFIN: Charles Carlton, who sold the drugs that killed Elijah Sty and Christian Bjork said he used the Internet to buy much of his supply in bulk from China. CARLTON: There are a lot of brokers as well. Like he will order from
a guy in Poland and receive a package from China.
GRIFFIN (on camera): Is it all labeled as research chemical, not for human consumption you get it?
CARLTON: For the most part, yes.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): Shanghai, China's largest city. Its towering waterfront and bustling streets, it is home to chemical companies churning out synthetics or pure poison. In the emerging global market of the synthetic drug world, the Shanghai region is the epicenter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come in.
GRIFFIN: This is the office of a synthetic drug dealer. Undercover video taken by a French documentary filmmaker of a bragging drug entrepreneur claiming to supply the world with his manufactured highs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This stuff PV-8, sells popular in Russian market. People take it in mouth or in nose and it's OK.
BURNETT: I mean, it's pretty incredible. And that dealer you were talking to, he looked like the guy next door, literally. How is this happening so blatantly?
GRIFFIN: This stuff is being churned out in laboratories this is not cartels. This is not drug gangs. These are laboratories mostly in China, mostly around Shanghai, who have turned this into a business. They're selling this stuff in bulk, like you see there. This is a French reporter posing as a buyer, going to see her source, her, quote-unquote, "source" just like you would go buy plastic. That's how it's coming in.
BURNETT: I mean, it is pretty incredible. What is the U.S. government doing about it?
GRIFFIN: They are in dialogue with the Chinese government. We are told from U.S. sources that China is cracking down. China refuses to discuss anything with us as to what they are doing.
The U.S. government is kind of just trying to nudge China along on this to get them with the rest of the world on stopping this. Clearly if you have got factories churning this out, you know where it is and you can stop it.
BURNETT: All right. Drew Griffin, thank you very much. Stunning report.
And you can see Drew's entire special report tonight, "Deadly High: How Synthetic Drugs Are Killing Kids" tonight. It is at 9:00 Eastern, right here on CNN.
And next, a powerful wife of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi detained, with her child. Baghdadi wants that child back. Will this be the big break U.S. intelligence is looking for?
And as escape plans go, this one was not the best. Jeanne Moos on the guy who stole a BMW and tried to escape via skate board.
BURNETT: Breaking news, a powerful ISIS figure caught and it's not who you expect. It is a woman, a wife of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi. A source tells CNN the wife, along with the child of al Baghdadi, were arrested while trying to cross the border into Lebanon. Now, the source describes the woman as a, quote, "powerful figure, heavily involved in ISIS." Pretty strong words.
Jim Sciutto is OUTFRONT.
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): She's a former wife of the feared ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi. Lebanese sources tell CNN, the woman reportedly identified as Saja Hamid al-Dulaimi and seen here during a prisoner exchange in March, had a potentially significant role in the terror group.
REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D), CALIFORNIA: We will gain some intelligence from her. We may get insights into al Baghdadi's movement, who he surrounds himself with, whether he was injured and the degree of his injuries.
SCIUTTO: Her capture, along with one of al Baghdadi's children, took place as he was trying to enter Lebanon from Syria, using a fake ID card and followed weeks of planning, say Lebanese authorities.
ADM. JOHN KIRBY, PENTAGON PRESS SECRETARY: I'm not going to speak about a Lebanese military operation. We've long said that he's the recognized leader of ISIL, command and control of the organization which stems from leadership. This makes him valid in our minds, from a targeting perspective.
SCIUTTO: The capture deals a potential blow to ISIS as Iraqi and Kurdish leaders reached a landmark agreement to join forces to fight the group together.
Iraq's Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad striking a far reaching deal with Kurdish forces in the north. They will send $1 billion in arms to the Kurdish fighters, ease the flow of American supplied arms to the Kurds through Baghdad, and crucially share oil revenue between Kurdish areas and the south.
SCIUTTO: This was a coordinated operation weeks in the planning Lebanese officials tell CNN with Lebanon, Syria and Iraq working together.
An overseas intelligence source tells CNN that they received help as well from U.S. intelligence. On that, the CIA would not comment. Erin, we do know that the U.S. has working intelligence relationships, not just with Iraq, of course, but also with Lebanon. So, an interesting collection of partners working together on this operation here.
BURNETT: Certainly is and incredible to imagine how it went down. Thank you so much to you, Jim.
And, next, Jeanne Moos with the first rule on high speed pursuits which is apparently this: forget the skateboard.
BURNETT: And now, high speed chase with an ending so pathetic you must see it for yourself. Here's Jeanne Moos.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It started out as just another Los Angeles police chase of stolen BMW driving in the wrong lane against traffic, doing 90 miles an hour at one point, weaving and squeezing and then -- boom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He just crashed!
MOOS: But the rear ending wasn't the surprise ending to this story. Lugging a getaway skateboard was.
The alleged car thief ran across three lanes of traffic clutching the long born and then the move worthy of a movie if only it had worked. For five seconds, the suspect tried to skateboard away from officers and hop pursuit on foot.
(on camera): Experienced skateboards we talked to gave the suspect low marks.
(voice-over): His technique was described as not very good. The chase? Hysterical.
Back on foot, he ran into trouble when a red pick-up blocked his path, he went around it, and then as police were closing in, the same red pickup cut him off and practically pinned him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ooh! Who's that guy?
MOOS: That is the former star of a now cancelled reality show. There's the truck. Luis Lou Pizarro used to run around dramatizing car repossessions.
So, it seemed natural, the help real cops get their man.
LOU PIZARRO: It's just instinct. Just, you know, block the guy off.
MOOS: Thirty-three-year-old Jesus Zamora was charged with auto theft. Police recovered the skateboard presumably for evidence but an officer did play footsie with it.
(on camera): You know, a skateboard wasn't what that guy need. What that guy needed was this.
(voice-over): But if this guy had one of those, don't hover. Take cover.
Jeanne Moos, CNN --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ooh! Who's that guy?
MOOS: -- New York.
BURNETT: Some of those stories you can't make up on so many levels.
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