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Attorney Gloria Allred Proposes Deal for Bill Cosby; "I Can`t Breathe" Protests Continue; Beth Ferrier Says Her Life Ended the Day She Met Bill Cosby
Aired December 09, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight an HLN exclusive. A deal for Cosby from attorneys Gloria Allred.
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GLORIA ALLRED, AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYER: If he is so confident of his argument that he did not do any of this, then he could invite these women
to have it decide in the civil court.
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PINSKY (voice-over): An alleged victim who reveals what she says he did to her is here.
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BETH FERRIER, ONE OF BILL COSBY`S RAPE ACCUSERS: My life ended the day I met Bill Cosby.
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PINSKY (voice-over): Let us get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening from New York City, CNN Center. Of course, my co- host is Samantha Schacher. And, we will have our exclusive Cosby -- well, the exclusive about Bill Cosby with Gloria Allred, right?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HLN CO-HOST: Yes.
PINSKY: All right. First up, "I cannot breathe" protests and die-ins continue after two white police officers are cleared in the killings of two
black suspects. Take a look at this.
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PROTESTERS: I cannot breathe! I cannot breathe!
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The rallying cry in the protests across the country. Demonstrators chanting Eric Garner`s last
words.
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FEYERICK (on camera): They staged a number of die-ins at this very busy area.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE CORRESPONDENT: This has been a massive protest with well over 3,000 people. The protesters have been able to stop an Amtrak
passenger train from moving. At one point, the crowd was able to shut down the I-80 freeway in both directions.
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ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In the middle of Chinatown, shutting down a major intersection. Here, you can see the group behind me chanting,
"This is what democracy looks like." Police at one point shouted out a warning on the loudspeaker saying that "You are endangering the lives of
the Washington, D.C. Residents."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CORRESPONDENT: Some students at University of Chicago Charter School Woodlawn laid down in protest. This was student organized
and executed.
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ERIC SNIPES, ERIC GARNER`S SON: It is amazing how everybody is doing this for my father and I appreciate it.
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PINSKY: Joining us, Larry Elder, Radio Communicator, Author of "Dear Father, Dear Son"; Spirit Clanton, T.V. Host, and Melissa McCarty, T.V.
Host, author -- excuse me, reporter and author of "News girls do not cry" and CNN Reporter, Nick Valencia, who is right now at New York`s Grand
Central Station. Nick, what is going on there? We have seen some pretty dramatic footage tonight.
NICK VALENCIA, CNN REPORTER: Yes. Over the course of the last hour, Dr. Drew, we have seen this crowd grow from a very small and intimate group to
what you see behind me here right now. They have been staging a die-in.
They also have interpretative dancers who are mimicking the chokehold that they say was put on Eric Garner, the man who died. That is the reason that
they are all out here. They are saying they are trying to draw attention to the death of unarmed civilians at the hand of the New York Police
Department.
One demonstrator I spoke to said that this was a systemic problem here and one that they are determined to continue to keep a spotlight on. So far,
they have been by and large very peaceful. The New York Police Department also has allowed them throughout the course of the last few days, sort of
fluidly move through the streets without incidents.
There have been some few tense moments. One I saw on Sunday between a group of demonstrators and police. But, as I mentioned, Dr. Drew, by and
large, this has been a very peaceful crowd. They are continuing to chant slogans like "I cannot breathe," which is what Eric Garner was saying in
the final moments of his life.
They are also drawing attention to others like Mike Brown, the teenage who died in Ferguson, as well as another unarmed man who was killed by a New
York Police Officer. They say that this is the modern civil rights movement and they are proud to be a part of it. They say they want change
and they want reform and they are going to stick around here however long that takes.
PINSKY: And, Nick -- Nick, let me ask you. I am just curious how the public at large is behaving. Are they supportive? Are they joining in?
Obviously, the police are extremely sort of clement in how they are approaching the protesters, but how about everybody else? How about the
public?
VALENCIA: Well, you see this sort of ring around me here, if you have a pan. You see this ring, very close here. These layers of demonstrators.
These are the core of them. And, on the outside there, of course, are spectators here who have come to see what is going on.
This is a very, you know, heavy traffic terminal, Grand Central Station. Lots of trains. Lots of women go through here. So, you see people passing
by, sort of stopping to look at what is happening. A lot of people are taking out their cameras, their iPhones.
A little while ago, we saw one demonstrator or I should say, one civilian sort of pass by through here and boo the crowd. But it was not really
anything that amounted or materialized to much beyond that. So far, generally speaking, they have been left alone and allowed to march -- or I
should say chant. Continue their slogans and continue to draw attention to Eric Garner. You can hear them continue that behind me right now.
PINSKY: All right. Thank you, Nick. We will, hopefully, be able to check in with you throughout the program. And, Sam, many of these protests seem
to have grown up rather organically but they become more organized. And, my understanding is, it could be a pretty big weekend.
SCHACHER: Yes. That is right, Dr. Drew. Well, organizers are calling it a week of outrage. And, they have been planning massive demonstrations in
New York and Washington this Saturday.
And, it is because of social media and hash tags that allow this information to spread like wildfire. So, for example, @Coolbreeze writes,
quote, "Support if you can tonight. Retweet: Week of outrage. #icannotbreathe. #Ericgarner."
PINSKY: It is interesting. I want -- Later on this show, I want to get into the social media and how it is changing and evolving these
conversations.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Spirit, protesters are really stopping the flow of everyday life for people -- for the rest of us. I think people for the most part are
supportive, are they doing the right thing?
SPIRIT CLANTON, PSYCHOTHERAPIST/T.V. HOST: Well, you know, they have done the first part, which is to draw attention to the issue. But now it has to
be more than that. It is what comes next? And, so, it is not enough just to get out and stand in the streets and say, "I cannot breathe."
Now, it is time for the natural leaders to arise from these masses and be able to challenge each other in their local communities. You want change?
Be the change you want to see. What is the next step?
PINSKY: And, Larry, does that mean legislation? Are they, do they understand what they are up to? What are your feelings about this?
LARRY ELDER, RADIO COMMUNICATOR/AUTHOR: Well, that is a good question. I am not sure what they are up to, Dr. Drew. What this looks to me like an
assumption that white cops are racist against black people. Because if this really were about police brutality, we would be talking for example
about the case in Mobile, Alabama, which took place in 2012 where a black cop shot an unarmed 18-year-old.
The grand jury investigated. Filed no charges. No national story. Just a couple days after Michael Brown was killed, a black cop shot and killed a
20-year-old in Salt Lake City who was unarmed. And, the family is very upset, but it is not a national story.
So, Dr. Drew, this is all about the assumption that white racism, that it is specifically white cops are out to get black men and it is B.S.. It is
nonsense. It is rare for a police officer to kill anybody.
CLANTON: Oh, please!
ELDER: Let alone a black person. Let alone an unarmed black person --
CLANTON: It is bigger than that now, though.
ELDER: Let alone an unarmed black person for no reason. It is very rare.
PINSKY: Spirit.
CLANTON: No. It is bigger than that, though, at this point.
ELDER: 140 in 2012. 386 white guys in 2012.
CLANTON: And, that is why everybody is out there.
ELDER: Two and a half times the number of white guys killed.
CLANTON: We got to move beyond this. It is not about black and white, anymore. It is now we have raised the attention. If we truly believe that
law enforcement needs to move past enforcement and get to protect and serve --
ELDER: Spirit.
CLANTON: -- Now, it is time for these individuals to come together and say, how we --.
ELDER: Do not you believe -- Spirit, do not you believe that there was a behavioral component in every one of these cases? If Trayvon Martin had
acted differently, if Michael Brown had acted differently, if Eric Garner her acted differently, if a 12-year-old had been throwing around a gun --
CLANTON: And, if any of those officers had acted differently, if any of those individuals --
ELDER: -- they would not be dead.
CLANTON: -- If every last one of the individuals in the situation had acted differently, if those office had different training, if they had
different cultural knowledge. There are so many things --
ELDER: Cultural knowledge?
CLANTON: And, I think that --
ELDER: What does that even mean?
CLANTON: Please. Cultural knowledge about the communities that you serve. Not black or white but knowing where you serve. Knowing how to engage
those communities. We have people who patrol areas --
PINSKY: Hang on. I am going to break you, guys, up.
CLANTON: -- that do not even know the people who live in those areas.
PINSKY: I am going to break it up. I always wonder why they do not have more resources like canine units and rubber bullets. I keep asking that
question every night. But, listen, I want to ask you a question.
CLANTON: We do not need dogs.
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PINSKY: Well, they are effective. We use them in Los Angeles all the time. But, let me just say this, Melissa --
CLANTON: We do not need them anymore.
PINSKY: But, Melissa -- well, I understand. But, the same thing Larry, would be true of the Caucasian boys. They would be alive, too, if their
behavior, you are saying, would had been the way it was.
CLANTON: Exactly.
PINSKY: So, OK, it applies across all lines. But, Melissa --
ELDER: My point is, Dr. Drew, there is no reason to believe that the way these officers treated these men had anything to do with their race.
PINSKY: OK.
ELDER: And, Spirit is talking about cultural differences.
PINSKY: Got to hold that. Melissa -- But, listen, I want to get at you -- hang
on -- CLANTON: Culture is not about race.
PINSKY: -- Melissa, hold on. Spirit, hang on. Melissa, I want to get out to the media. And, you know, we often say, you know, black children are
lost. We do not report on that. White children are shot by black police officers. We do not report on that. Is there someone in here in
commentary about us as a media that what is reported and what gets the public attention?
ELDER: Well, that is right. You do not report a lot of things.
MELISSA MCCARTY, REPOTER & T.V. HOST: This is about the stereotype of what police are revealing as the face of danger. Now, my brother, he has been
beaten and burned by police officers. And, he also during that time was agitating them verbally. Cursing at them saying, "You have no right to do
this."
But, again, this is about fear within the communities. And, it is not just the black communities. This is poor communities. This is all races. I
have been to funerals of officers who were ambushed and shot, killed by hardened criminals. This is changing the stereotype of what police
perceive as the face of danger. What looks like a thug is not always a thug.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: All right.
MCCARTY: That is why my brother was pulled over and harassed then and to this day, and it is changing that stereotype, that image of what police see
as dangerous in society.
PINSKY: OK. All right. Hold your thoughts. I want -- first of all, I want Larry and Spirit to go to their corners, to bring in the octagon again
in a couple of minutes. I promise. And, we will check in with the protesters again.
And, later, an HLN exclusive with a Cosby accuser who says her life ended the day she met Bill Cosby. We will be right back.
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LIZA GATES, ACTIVIST: I went to the Million Women`s march, I went to the Million Man`s march and nothing else happened afterwards. No change,
certainly, happen afterwards. And, so, a lot of times the mass majority of American public trivializes these attempts.
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PATRISE CULLORS, FOUNDER OF #BLACKLIVESMATTER: The generation that saying that things have changed, yes, things have changed for their generation.
But there is a whole new generation that is suffering at the hands of law enforcement.
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RUSSELL SIMMONS, CO-FOUNDER OF DEF JAM RECODINGS: You have not seen young people like this in two generations and they have not even begun.
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CLANTON: I am hoping, hoping beyond hope, that all of these protests, all of the things that we are experiencing right now can translate-beyond these
incidences that are really, really horrific. Because we still have to live with each other every single day, and we cannot protest forever.
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PINSKY: And, I am back with Sam and our behavior bureau. Liza Gates, Activist/Author, joins us for first time. Welcome, Liza.
LIZA GATES, ACTIVIST/AUTHOR: Thank you.
PINSKY: Also, I have Wendy Walsh, Psychologist, author of "The 30-Day Love Detox" and Karamo Brown, host of #Ownshow on Oprah.com. Liza, I want to
start with you. You have a history of activism. What do you believe is in the mind of the protesters? What do they intend?
GATES: For there to be great change. And, the trouble in that is that we cannot stay in the, in the lines forever. We cannot march forever. And,
my eyes always focused on moments after we returned to our desks and we returned to our day jobs.
PINSKY: And, when they do so, when they return -- We are looking at a die- in right now, which are disruptive and dramatic and certainly seem to get a message across. But, do they want legislation? Do they want laws changed?
Do they want a cultural shift? Do, they want awareness? Do they want all the above? And, if they want all the above, I wonder if it might not be
more productive, they maybe a little more focus with the end game?
GATES: Well, I think the ultimate message we want to see less bodies in the street for four hours at a time and we want to see less black men dead,
killed by police. And, so, it is a multilayered thing. We want to what legislation to change. We have the congressional black caucus with their
arms up supporting us in our mission.
We want ground workers on the streets in local communities making the change that we want to see. We want this shift, this overhaul in American
landscape that has not been seen. We have been marching forever.
PINSKY: OK.
GATES: And, now is the time. We are interrupting the lives of the American people like the police interrupted ours.
PINSKY: All right. So, OK. So, just to disrupt and gain awareness and hopefully create some change, a process of change. And, Sam --
GATES: That is the first one. That is the first time.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: And, a lot of this is coming through social media now. I mean that is sort of the new domain of information spread and movements. And,
Sam, you are tracking these hash tags. We mentioned them earlier in the block, in the preceding block. These hash tags have become an interesting
part of the conversation. Tell me about that.
SCHACHER: Oh, my Gosh, Dr. Drew, the hash tags become the glue, the narrative, the initiative. So -- OK. So, just today, 139,000 people have
used the #Icannotbreathe hash tag on twitter. 69,000 tweeted using #blacklivesmatter.
And, in response to that hash tag, a new one is catching on. 5,000 people used the hash tag #alllivesmattertodayalone. And, I want to talk about
these response hash tags, because I remember we first saw when we were talking about violence against women. And, remember that hash tag,
#yesallwomen started to trend.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: When women were talking about their experiences.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: And, then it was the response hash tag, #notallmen. And, now, we are seeing this with this as well. So, my question to you and even the
panel is, why do you think people have the instinct to generate these response hash tags?
PINSKY: In my hope of hopes, Wendy, this is sort of -- I do not want to get too smart here, but Hegeli (ph). In other words, if something happens,
there is a counter response. And, between them there is some kind of synthesis. And, that I want to believe that is what humans do. They try to
solve problems. No?
WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST/AUTHOR: Well, I think that traditionally in our culture, we have solved problems by walking by large street marches. If we
look at the social changes that happen through the marches from the 1950s and 1960s and the Vietnam War, et cetera.
But, now, this new young generation has a new pathway and it is technological. So, remember, Dr. Drew, this is the generation who have
grown one flash mobs, who have grown up with massive crowd art form called everyday improv.
These people know how to hash tag and tweet and collect themselves and gather to make change. And, now this group have become voters. They are
over the age of 18. And, they do have power to make change if they are thought of as a voting populace.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: And, Karamo, strangely, I hear you -- I see you shaking your head, no.
KARAMO BROWN, TELEVISION HOST: Yes.
PINSKY: And, I am wondering if what you are shaking your head about -- remember the hash tag, #bringbackourgirls?
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: Did not do too much.
BROWN: It does not do too much.
PINSKY: I think a commando team would have done more, perhaps. Is that what you are getting here?
BROWN: That is exactly what I am getting at. Unfortunately, this generation that I am partially a part of and also my children are a part
of, is putting up a hash tag does not galvanize people to do anything. It does not create any change.
It allows people to feel like they are connected to someone else. And, that they have done something. It is lazy. It is unresponsive. There is
nothing to it. And, also the people that are sitting in with these die- ins, this whole issue of policing -- there is so much intersectionality here that is going on.
This is not about racism, not about age. There is so much happening here. A die-in is great. It is dramatic, but as I have been hearing from my
mother since I was a kid, save the drama for your mama. We need real solution and we need somebody to be running this.
PINSKY: All right. Now, am I looking at -- Is that a live shot we are looking at now? No. We are going to go to a live shot here in New York.
Again, CNN Reporter, Nick Valencia, he is there. I think he is still in Grand Central Station. Is that right, Nick? There you go. You are
outside.
VALENCIA: No. Actually, Dr. Drew, we just left grand central station and we are marching according to the demonstrator here towards New York Police
Department Headquarters. I want to bring in one of the more vocal demonstrators of the "Shut It Down" Movement. His name is Puppy San.
Puppy, what are you, guys, trying to accomplish?
PUPPY SAN (ph), MEMBER OF SHUT IT DOWN MOVEMENT: Well, we want, first and foremost, justice for Eric Garner and their families.
VALENCIA: What does that justice look like?
SAN (ph): Justice means that we want the police responsible for their homicides, to face criminal prosecution and to lose their jobs. But,
broadly speaking, we want greater police accountability and transparency.
VALENCIA: You mean, this is not a black or white issue?
PINSKY: Nick. Nick, does he mean change the laws? Legislation?
VALENCIA: Or is this about race?
SAN (ph): Race is obviously an element but it is not the only factor. It is obviously an element but not the only factor.
VALENCIA: I am sorry. Dr. Drew is asking, are you trying to change the laws here? Is there is something you want to change, like that?
SAN (ph): Concrete change with a special prosecutor whose sole job is to investigate police homicides of anybody.
PINSKY: OK.
VALENCIA: Do you feel you can find somebody that is unbiased enough to do that?
SAN (ph): Well, it is not the matter of them being unbiased, it is just a matter of them not being accountable to the D.A. and police precinct.
PINSKY: All right.
VALENCIA: Yes. Puppy, you have been involved in these demonstrations since the very beginning, since last Wednesday, is that right?
SAN (ph): Yes.
VALENCIA: And, how have you seen this movement developed?
SAN (ph): It started with a thousand people on Wednesday and we balloon to 10,000 people on Thursday. And, then each day after that, regardless of
the weather, we had a committed group of at least 100 to 200 people every night willing to take the street.
VALENCIA: And, right now we have about there between 50 to 100 demonstrators out in the streets walking in the middle of traffic right
now.
PINSKY: Yes.
VALENCIA: By and large, though, Dr. Drew, we should point out that they have been peaceful. The New York Police department has allowed them to
move fluidly through the streets. And, they say as Puppy was talking about, that they are determined to do this until they see change happen.
PINSKY: All right, Nick. Thank you so much. Again, we will check in -- Thank Puppy for participating with us tonight and we will be looking at the
back of -- out here in Columbus Circle. They will be descending on us soon. And, coming up, we have results from our live poll tonight. Will
body cameras on police officers make a difference?
And, later, an HLN exclusive. Gloria Allred is here with her deal for Bill Cosby. Will he accept it? We will find out. We are back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE PROTESTER, WASHINGTON, D.C.: I cannot breathe!
UNIDENTIFIED GROUP OF DEMONSTRATORS, WASHINGTON, D.C.: You cannot breathe!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE PROTESTER: I cannot breathe!
UNIDENTIFIED GROUP OF DEMONSTRATORS: You cannot breathe!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This has been a massive protest with well over 3,000 people. But from what we have seen, it has been peaceful.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Larry, Spirit and Wendy. Protesters taking to the streets. Still angry with the deaths of the two unarmed African-American
men at the hands of white police officers. And, Sam, you have the results of our poll. Tell me about it.
SCHACHER: I do Dr. Drew. OK. So, we asked this question to our viewers. Will more body cameras mean more protection? 41 percent of our viewers
voted yes. 59 percent of our viewers voted no.
PINSKY: Well, I think that is all based on the experience here in New York where we have video footage of something that went down.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: It did not make a difference, but I do not want to talk about that. I am going to show you some footage from former NBA Star Charles
Barkley. He made some interesting statements about the relationship between the police and the black community. Have a look.
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CHARLES BARKLEY, FORMER NBA PLAYER: As a black man, if I had have come out and said, "All the cops suck." All the black people said, "I love that
damn Charles Barkley." So, you are always in an awful awkward situation. Some people are going to agree with me and some people are going to kiss my
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PINSKY: Larry -- Larry, what is Charles getting at here?
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ELDER: Well, I am feeling his pain. You say something common sensical and often you are hammered as a sellout or as an Uncle Tom. But, what I am
hearing tonight, Dr. Drew, is this. What people really want is for the police to be less aggressive.
CLANTON: Right.
ELDER: Less assertive. And, I will tell you that before the New York Mayor Giuliani and Chief Bratton implemented "The broken window strategy,"
over 2,000 people died every year in New York City. Many of those were black people. There are a lot of black people who are now walking around
who otherwise would be dead.
A lot of women who are not raped right now, walking around. A lot of people have never been mugged because of what happened. So, if you want
the police to be less aggressive, they are more than happy to collect the pay check and just deal with 911 calls if you want them to. But crime will
go up.
PINSKY: Spirit, is that what this is about?
CLANTON: Well, you know what? In the case of Charles Barkley, I just have to say that some people have to learn how to be able to say, "I am sorry,
but I am not equipped to have this conversation." And, I think that, that is the problem that black America has with Charles Barkley. Let us be
real. He plays basketball. He is not an analyst. He is not a sociologist. He is not a psychologist. He is not good to have this
conversation.
(LAUGHING)
ELDER: Obama played basketball!
CLANTON: Come on! Except that he hits the point.
PINSKY: He is a good. He is a good guy. He is a public figure and he is trying to help out here.
ELDER: Dr. Drew -- Dr. Drew --
PINBSKY: He is trying to be a leader.
CLANTON: He can help out --
ELDER: Dr. Drew, Obama plays basketball. Obama plays basketball.
SCHACHER: OK.
(LAUGHING)
CLANTON: But Obama is not talking about the NBA stats tonight.
PINSKY: Right.
CLANTON: And, he darn sure would not be talking about the NFL if he played basketball.
SCHACHER: But, what I found --
CLANTON: And, so, in this situation, we have to stop looking to our personalities, our entertainers whose job are to entertain us, and then be
surprised when they give us things that are entertainment.
PINSKY: All right. All right. Hold on. Wait a second.
CLANTON: We got to stop it.
PINSKY: Wendy, I am glad Spirit said that, because I do not think we can avoid that in this culture.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: I think if they are not going to be public figures talking on the media, it is going to be the social media to determine the conversation
too.
WALSH: Yes. But, with all due respect to Mr. Barkley, I lost respect for him in the early `90s when he came out saying, "I am not your role model
and do not expect me to be a role model." Yet, he will take money and the celebrity and the power and not use it for good. So, that bothered me
then.
SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, what I found really interesting about this interview between Charles Barkley and then also his colleagues, they had
two completely different perspectives, both of them. But, then they could both respectfully talking about their perspectives.
And, I think that is what it should be about, whether you agree to think that it is a race issue or not. Whether you think that there is police
brutality. Whether you do not. I think it is appropriate for us to have this dialogue in a very respectful way and he and his colleague did just
that.
PINSKY: All right. We will continue this conversation.
CLANTON: Thank you basketball.
PINSKY: And, I guess continue tweeting Larry Elder. What is your Twitter handle, Larry? I am glad you are getting -- but you looked all bruised.
ELDER: @larryelder is my Twitter handle, @larryelder. And, my web show is elderstatement.com. Elderstatement.com
PINSKY: All right, fair enough.
ELDER: Thank you, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Let him know how you are feeling. He has a specific opinion and I am glad he is here to share it with us.
ELDER: Bring it. Bring it.
PINSKY: And, later -- well, that is what this is all about, this conversation.
SCHACHER: Exactly.
PINSKY: Let us keep that going. And, later hear from another Cosby accuser and why she is just coming forward now. Back after this.
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ELDER: It is absurd to acting like white cops are after black people, that black people are under siege We ought to be looking over our shoulder
unless some racist cop get us. It is absurd. But, you ought to tell people what my father told people.
When you encounter police officer, be respectful. Say yes, sir. Say no, sir. Put your hands on the wheel, 10 o`clock, 2 o`clock. Make sure your
paperwork is in order. Comply, you will not die. That is what we ought to be telling our young black people. Not that the man is out to get you.
For crying out loud, this is America.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Larry, Spirit and Wendy. Spirit, I want to give you a chance to respond to what Larry just said there.
CLANTON: I was just thinking, is not that the same thing, though? Comply, you will not die. It sounds like it is a contradiction in it of
itself. Are we telling everybody the same message? Or is this just a special message that black people have to tell their children?
PINSKY: Larry? I am glad you said that, Spirit, because I got a tweet I am going to show you. But first Larry, you respond that.
ELDER: Of course it applies to everybody. Comply and you will not die. Say yes, sir. Say no, sir. Be respectful. You will not get into a wining
contest of somebody who is packing a firearm --
CLANTON: #crimingwhilewhite.
ELDER: -- sort it out later on. Get the officer`s badge number.
CLANTON: #crimingwhilewhite.
ELDER: Get his name. Sort it out later on.
PINSKY: Larry, do you got a hate tweet during the break?
CLANTON: That is all, #crimingwhilewhite.
ELDER: I do. I got one from Bakish2014, who says, "When black people commit crimes, they send them to jail." Not true. 50 homicides a month
last year in Chicago. Most of those involving black people. The majority of them are unsolved. Only 25 percent of the homicides in Chicago are
solved. Therefore, a lot of black people are getting away with murder in part because of the no snitch culture that is so prevalent in our inner
city.
PINSKY: Let me show you a tweet that I got. You, guys, can put that up there. And, basically -- let me see if I can read them for you here. "You
cannot clearly know what they are talking about if you have not experienced police brutality. You cannot possibly understand. #ferguson.
And, actually, that caught my eye because I have been the object of police brutality. When I was a teenager, I was once walking by a cop who grab me
and shook me so hard and he almost killed me. And, by the way, if I had been taught that, that guy was trying to harm me, if I have been taught a
message that that was a potentially somebody who was going to hurt me, I would have fought -- I would have tried to grab the guy is gun, I think,
too.
CLANTON: Right.
PINSKY: And, then another time I had a cop -- it was a crazy situation. She ended up making me go to court and then lied like crazy in court. And,
the liar was an African-American woman. The one who actually practically beat me was an African-American male. And, I never thought African-
American cops are a problem or, I do not know. I just thought, they have a tough job.
ELDER: That is right.
PINSKY: Wendy, am I crazy?
WALSH: No, you are not crazy. But, you know, on cnn.com last week there was a great article about how we are all liars if we say we are not racist
in some way. Because, even newborn babies turn to faces that look more like them. There is lots of research showing that doctors give better care
to people of the same race.
My children happen to be biracial. I cannot imagine loving them anymore or any less. But, when I talk to them about cops, I do not focus on race. I
focus on conduct and respect and if somebody is holding a gun --
PINSKY: Sam.
WALSH: You do what they say.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: Right, absolutely.
WALSH: I do not care what their job is.
SCHACHER: Larry, Do you think that our current police department do need reform though?
WALSH: Yes.
SCHACHER: Larry?
WALSH: They need far more sensitivity training --
SCHACHER: Yes.
WALSH: -- and they need far more integration in the force.
SCHACHER: Larry, do you agree with that?
ELDER: I think that it would be wise for every officer to be equipped with a camera. We did that in Rialto. And, officer use of force, though,
dramatically. More importantly, complaints against officers fell substantially. I think cameras would be a boon for both sides of the
transaction. Absolutely.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: And, Spirit, what Wendy mentioned is actually a sort of a factual issue. What do we do with that?
CLANTON: Well, you know, the bottom line, though, is that we have to be honest and we cannot act like race does not matter. But, we also have to
accept that racism happens across every industry. No one is safe from it. There is racism within law enforcement.
I mean I grew up blue. My father is a retired police officer who was injured in the line of duty saving his white officers. He did not see
black or white at the time. He saw his officers go through what they were going through. So, we cannot act like it is just an issue that is specific
to just law enforcement.
We have to deal with race in this country. And, we have to get real about it. It is not about running away from the issue. It is about saying, yes,
we see it. But, at the end of the day how do we get to the opponent where we are all equal?
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: Larry, reasonable, right?
PINSKY: It sounds to me pretty unreasonable. She, again, is suggesting that racism remains a major problem in America and I do not buy it,
whatsoever.
CLANTON: It is! Are you kidding me?
ELDER: No. It is not.
CLANTON: Where do you live? It is not in the United States.
ELDER: Well, I happen to live in a country where there has a black president and another president who is black secretary of state, a black --
CLANTON: Who will even tell that you there is racism himself. The amount of racism that our president has had to deal with has been outrageous.
ELDER: A black Secretary of Homeland Security. A black Attorney General.
CLANTON: Give me a break.
ELDER: A black Security Adviser.
CLANTON: You are talking one, one, one in 2014 --
ELDER: And, you are still whining about racism. It is insane.
CLANTON: You are still talking about the first ones in 2014. That is part of the problem
WALSJ: Well, Spirit, we do not have any women yet. So, I must say that.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: I will say this.
CLANTON: This is part of the problem, though.
PINSKY: I enjoy watching you guys spar. I will tell you that. And, happily bring you back to continue this conversation.
ELDER: Spirit, you are well named. Spirit, you are well named.
CLANTON: Yes, that I am.
PINSKY: But right now, I have an HLN exclusive with Gloria Allred. So, thank you, panel. Next up, Gloria Allred and a Cosby accuser whom she
represents. They will be with me after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DON LEMON (ph), CNN ANCHOR: Another woman who accuses Bill Cosby of rape.
BETH FERRIER, ONE OF BILL COSBY`S RAPE ACCUSERS: I believe that Mr. Cosby drugged me and sexually assaulted me that night. For years, I did not tell
anyone about what he had done to me, because I was afraid. I felt threatened by him. I did not think anyone would believe me. My life ended
the day I met bill Cosby.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Karamo, Wendy. This is our most tweeted story of the day. That, of course, Bill Cosby accuser, Beth Ferrier, she joined
two other women in an emotional press conference with attorney Gloria Allred.
Beth and Gloria are with us now. And, Beth, you first -- I just do not want to point out we have been having some little video problems with you,
but I look forward to interviewing you. We will hear you perfectly nonetheless. When you say, Beth, your life -- quote, "Life ended the day
you met Bill Cosby." What did you mean by that?
FERRIER: Absolutely. It was a violent crime that I suffered. I have suffered in silence since 2006. I have suffered in silence since meeting
Mr. Cosby because he profiles and profiled me and took such great interest in me that after my father is death from cancer and what not, I could not
actually get away from him.
And, when you have been molested, drugged, especially with someone who you have been so incredibly close to. You have shared your entire life with
for months, years. You have to understand. I was on the set with him. I was there when he interviewed Raven Simone. I was there with Lisa Benet.
I was there, I had a relationship with Chuck Brown, the producer of his show, who committed suicide. I was there with Felicia Rashard. I know the
whole set. I know the whole scam. I know the whole deal.
And, the difference is I was the one who came forward to "National Enquirer" because of this piece -- the "National Enquirer" piece, I
actually -- my story in 2005 was squelched. You are seeing that now in court documents.
My name is mentioned over and over. There was a gag order. I want it known that I am not going to be filled with shame anymore. It stops here.
Camille and Bill Cosby, immediately now, it stops. This is serious. You need listen to me, Beth Ferrier and Gloria Allred. You have to. You have
to.
PINSKY: And, Beth, I am sorry to interrupt you.
FERRIER: Yes, sir.
PINSKY: But, you are expressing a feeling, an emotion that we have heard from many of the women who have come forward. I want you to have a chance
to respond to your critics who say that you claim you were in a consensual relationship, and yet he drugged you and had to rape you. What do you mean
by consensual and how do you make sense of what did he to you?
FERRIER: Well, actually, great question, again. How that works is how he works. He takes you on. I met him in New York as a model who came from
Colorado. I was living in Chicago at the time. But, I was actually selected by Joe Ferrell, who was my agent, much like -- Let us make a
connection here. Barbie Bowman, same thing.
I was allowed to go and stay in the model`s apartment with Denise, my booker, and another male model came from L.A. And, we were there to
actually support Colorado to have people come to Colorado to see that we were a valid, a great place for great talent, where to come.
And, part of that was, I did not to go New York to meet Bill Cosby. A part of that was possibly getting to meet Mr. Cosby and maybe going on the set.
You have to understand. I already had my own career with modeling full time. That was a part of that, but I never planned on that.
Consensual meaning that I met him on the set. I was in his home with my booker and that she, actually, got drugged. Denise actually got drugged.
And, at that time so that he could be alone with me in his home. And, that particular person --
PINSKY: Beth, I am going to interrupt you again.
FERRIER: Yes, sir.
PINSKY: I am sorry to push you like this.
FERRIER: That is all right.
PINSKY: But, the time is always a crunch. And, I want to give Gloria a chance. Gloria, I want to give you a chance to answer those questions as
well.
GLORIA ALLRED, CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYER: Absolutely.
PINSKY: What do you hope to accomplish in court? And, I just heard another allegation that I have not heard that somebody else was drugged in
the cross fire. Is that going to come up in court?
ALLRED: Well, first of all, we do not know if there is going to be court. That is in the hands of Bill Cosby. We offered him two alternatives, to
move this along. The first is, it is very upsetting, of course, to many of the alleged victims that they cannot have their day in court because the
statute of limitations, if it is asserted as a defense by Bill Cosby, would mean their case would be dismissed.
So, we challenged him to invite all of the alleged victims to sue him and to say that he will not assert the statute of limitations as a defense and
therefore the case can proceed in court. And, he can present his arguments about why he should not be liable and all the alleged victims can present
their evidence about what they allege occurred, did in fact occur.
PINSKY: So, gloria --
ALLRED: And, we have not heard from him on that.
PINSKY: So, you are saying if indeed this did not happen, have your day in court. We will happily meet you there. His attorney released a statement
that reads in part, quote, "These claims about alleged decades old events are becoming increasingly ridiculous and it is completely illogical that so
many people would have said nothing, done nothing and made no reports to law enforcement or asserted simple claim."
Gloria, I am going to stop with that. I will let you respond to it after the break. And, panel, I am sorry I do not have the chance for you, guys,
to ring in either. Hopefully, we will all get a chance to respond to this after the break.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Beth Ferrier claim she was drug and assaulted by Cosby in the mid `80s.
FERRIER: When I arrived backstage, Mr. Cosby greeted me and gave me a Cappuccino, telling me that he made me my favorite coffee. And, after I
drank it, I felt dizzy and lost consciousness. The next thing I knew, hours had passed. I woke up in the back of my car alone. My clothes were
a mess. My bra was undone.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Back with Sam, Karamo, Wendy, and whom you just heard there, the Cosby accuser, Beth Ferrier and her attorney, Gloria Allred. Gloria, I
want to give you a chance to respond to his attorney.
And, by the way, I got to remind people that we heard another allegation from Beth about somebody else have been drugged. We cannot confirm that
independently in any way and we are not specifically addressing that this evening. Gloria, his attorney`s calls everything ridiculous.
ALLRED: Well, I think the place for this is in a court of law. And, if he has such confidence in his arguments that he did not do anything, then that
is the place where he should be and let the alleged victims sue him and let a judge and jury decide.
But, if he is not open to public scrutiny in a court of law, then we offer the other alternative, which is a confidential arbitration. Let retired
judges in their offices hear the proof that the alleged victims would like to present and hear the arguments against their proof by Bill Cosby. And,
let the retired judges make a final decision.
These would be neutral individuals who would have experience and could judge. And, then give compensation to the victims if they find that there
is merit to their claims and if they can provide proof of damages. That is the way to have a process.
Let these victims have a day in court. Let us find out if Bill Cosby is a saint or a sexual predator, and that is the way to determine this. Not
just in the court of opinion but really in a court of law.
PINSKY: And, Wendy, it is not unusual for people to be fearful of speaking out, especially with somebody has so much power and women feel tainted and
responsible for what happened to them.
WALSH: Absolutely. And, Dr. Drew, I have a question for Gloria Allred. You know, this trial -- not even trial. This case reminds me a lot of the
famous trial in Canada that took place during the O.J. Simpson trial. That trial was a century had a member of parliament, an older statesman, 35
women came forward saying they had been sexually molested by him, years and years before.
Not one of them proved. He did not go to jail. He was not convicted on anything. Gloria, do you think they would have a hard time ever convicting
him? And, is there a statute on limitations on child sexual assault? Were not some of these victims under the age of 18?
ALLRED: Great question. And, the answer is, that there are different statutes of limitations in different states. And, sometimes different
statutes of limitations, longer periods if there is an adult survivor of child sexual abuse. So, that is why it is important to consult an attorney
and find out what is the time period during which you can sue civilly and during which a criminal prosecution can be brought.
Chief Beck this Los Angeles invited any member of the public who believes they have been the victim of a crime in the city of Los Angeles, and
believes they may have been a victim of Bill Cosby, to come in and report it to the police, even if they think that it is beyond the time period, the
statute of limitations for that crime to be prosecuted.
So, I took a young woman in there last week. Others may proceed to go in there in the future. Let us find out if this can be prosecuted or if they
can sue. And, then we can find both justice and accountability if the case can proceed.
PINSKY: Karamo, same question. Not unusual for people to be ashamed and wait a long time before they speak out.
BROWN: Not at all. You know, I am in the business of supporting survivors. And, one of the thing is I have been reading tweets while this
has been happening and I just want to encourage the viewers at home to get into a place where they are respecting and having empathy for these victim
and these survivors.
Because it is pretty ridiculous that these women were groomed by this man and all of a sudden you are blaming the victim. This is irresponsible and
I want to tell people at home. Think about if this was your daughter, if this was your mother, would you have the same reaction? Gloria said it
best. We cannot have this in the court of opinion. We need to get someone in there. Have a biased judge that is going to be able to give these
victims their day in court.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Beth, we are generating tears. I am down to a minute left. What is going on?
FERRIER: Absolutely. Please -- I just have to tell you, thank you, Gloria, Allred, thank you, and thank you for all of you who are giving us
what we need. We did not lie. And, I am asking, please, I know that Gloria Allred is here for me, and I am going on ask that she meets with
Delores, the attorney.
There was a gag order that stopped me finding out anything for nine years about my "National Enquirer" story that is listed in this court documents
of that, that were just released. Thank you, CNN. And, that is nine years of me holding for nine years and "People" magazine.
And, my story to help Andrea, all 13 of us. I was never told what happened to my story. I was never told that there was a lie detector test that I
passed. What happened? Nothing happened for nine years.
FERRIER: We have to leave it there. I am glad you feel like you have had your opportunity. Gloria, hopefully, you will get your day in court.
"Forensic Files," up next.
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