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Protests Continue; Senate Debates Trillion-Dollar Spending Bill To Avoid Government Shutdown; FBI Investigates Sony Pictures Hack; Senator Feinstein Says Debate Over Releasing Torture Report Goes On; Angelina Jolie's YouTube Video Goes Viral

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ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: Hello. Happy Saturday. We made it to the weekend. I'm Ana Cabrera in for Fredricka Whitfield today. Thank you for joining me.

In Washington right now, we are following two major stories. Thousands of people taking to the streets demanding an end to police brutality and racial profiling.

Also, on the right in the Senate, a rare Saturday session. They are debating a trillion-dollar spending bill that would avoid a government shutdown.

Let's start with those thousands of protesters converging on the U.S. capitol building, people here of different ages, different races, and different backgrounds. They are coming together to condemn recent killings of unarmed black males.

Sunlen Serfaty and Nick Valencia are covering the justice for all march as they are calling it there at the capital.

I want to start with Nick Valencia. What's your biggest take away so far, Nick?

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think, you know, we keep hearing this phrase that people want change, police accountability. I think, you know, so many people that we have spoken to have been negatively affected in some way by the police department. You hear that story, sort of the common thread interwoven among demonstrators here, people that have had bad run-ins with police.

Let's get a sense of some of these demonstrators what their issues are.

Hey guys. We're on CNN. Would you like to talk to us about what brought you out here today?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. We're here to support and show solidarity in the cases of police injustice and brutality across America.

VALENCIA: Why is that so important to you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It has to end. It's really getting out of control. I think that it's really important for us to come together and start to push our congressmen and push our leadership to make a change and to start supporting people -- .

VALENCIA: So we have heard that President Obama assigned a special task force, just giving them 90 days to come back with special recommendations, fix perhaps at funding for body cameras. Do you think that will make a difference?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's a step in the right direction. But we need more than a body camera in order to see inroads.

VALENCIA: For you, you know, you are obviously also passionate about this issue. What makes you so passionate?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just try to defend our brotherhood also. And so make sure that everybody here is right and everybody here is equal. We have to fight for each other. I will expect somebody to come to fight with me if I had the same issue.

VALENCIA: We heard earlier from a demonstrator I talked to saying that justice is different for black people. What do you think of when you hear that statement?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE). He said that he had reason to say that. But what we have right now, what we see right now today is just black people or people who (INAUDIBLE) don't feel that they are respected, don't feel they have the right -- the same right that all the people. So we have to be able to denounce that and we have to -- it's important to make sure that this kind of issue doesn't happen anymore.

VALENCIA: Thank you for taking the time with CNN.

People have traveled here, Ana, from far and wide. I spoke earlier to a young 11-year-old girl who was wearing a shirt, I can't breathe. She said that in her classroom they talked about these issues, they have had conversations about race relations. We have seen demonstrators here from all ages. And we should point out that by and large, we haven't seen anything, no tense moments. There haven't by any violation demonstrations. This is a peaceful group. And they are here, they say for a special moment in the nation's capitol -- Ana.

CABRERA: You know, it's so interesting when you hear from some of these protesters and those African-Americans in the crowd. And I think what's really clear to me is there are so many of us, we don't fully understand what it's like to be in their shoes.

But you see the crowd behind you, and we see people who are Caucasians. We saw a man holding a sign that says stop racist police. So joining the call to action, trying to understand the other side and reaching out the hands so it does seem like this movement is making progress, even if it's on the slightest level.

I want to ask another quick question before we let you go. When it comes to police presence there while things are staying safe, I mean, what is the police role that you are seeing there? Are they joining in solidarity or is there a physical division still? VALENCIA: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Ana. Because earlier,

we saw the police chief of Washington, D.C. walking through this crowd, talking to the demonstrators, saying that she's here to support and stand with her friends. She said she had friends in the crowd. So it was very important for her to show the people that showed up here today that the police stand with them. They understand that they want change. They understand things aren't perfect, but they are saying that things are getting better.

I spoke earlier with an activist who marched in the 1960s, Steve Gregory (ph). He's a famous activist and one-time comedian. He was saying that, you know, some people are calling this the modern civil rights movement, but it's not. He says that things have gotten better. There's no one here out here that's afraid for their safety. There's no one here that is being assaulted by the police. This is a demonstration, a peaceful demonstration. People have shown up.

And you know, you were talking earlier, Ana, about you could hear a pin drop. And you can just look at everybody's face is in that direction. This isn't -- you know, you don't see people on their phones looking at their phones. You see everybody looking at the speakers up there on the stage. And they are listening to every word. And that's what something is sort of telling about the group that showed up here today. They came here for a reason, with purpose. There isn't people that just want to be here. People are passionate about these issues and they have stuck around to listen to everyone who is speaking here -- Ana.

CABRERA: All right. Nick Valencia, reporting again, live in Washington, D.C. Thank you for that.

And important also to mention, we so appreciate all the hard work our men and women in law enforcement are doing as well. We know that there are many good men and women who are just as angry about some of the disparities that are seen in our society.

Now, our other big story in Washington. There are live pictures from Capitol Hill. And right now, the Senate is trying to stop another government shutdown from happening. We're taking you inside the chambers. They are trying to get through this $1 trillion spending bill. And until they actually go ahead and pass the measure as a whole, they have to have some kind of stopgap measure to keep the government up and running.

CNN's Erin McPike is at the White House.

Now, Erin, what is the word from inside those Senate chambers? Are you getting news as to what's happening?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Ana, they are going through a series of votes today on a number of the president's nominations that Republicans have actually held up throughout the year. So the buy product is that there are, is other progress being made.

Now, Harry Reid, when the Senate convened around noon, explained what would happen throughout the day. And he said to expect a vote around 1:00 a.m. tonight on a vote that would move the procedure forward so that they can have the vote on final passage sometime on Monday. But Harry Reid did express some frustration over two Republican senators who have held the process up somewhat over the weekend. I want you to listen to the comments.

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SEN. HARRY REID (D-NY), MAJORITY LEADER: Regrettably, small group of Senate Republicans who is determined it's in their political interests to hold this legislation hostage.

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MCPIKE: And what he is referring to is Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, two junior Republican senators who were on the Senate floor last night and Mike Lee specifically objected to the unanimous consent that Harry Reid was asking for so they could adjourn this weekend and vote on Monday. Here are Lee and Cruz last night trying to make a stand on immigration.

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SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Before the United States Senate is a bill that does nothing, absolutely nothing to stop President Obama's illegal and unconstitutional amnesty. That's why I rise to speak here today.

SEN. MIKE LEE (R), UTAH: I certainly don't see any reason why we should agree to move forward then and not have any assurance that we would at least have an opportunity to vote on an amendment that would impose a spending limitation on the president's ability to implement his executive amnesty action.

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MCPIKE: Now, Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell told reporters earlier today that he was blindsided by these two, which it's unusual for these two to do that once the two Senate leaders have agreed to move forward on something.

A lot of Republicans are very frustrated right now with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee because there has been a compromise, even though members of both parties don't like this bill, they like that there has been compromise and that they can avoid a government shutdown.

We do expect final passage will happen Monday and that President Obama will sign this $1.1 trillion bill sometime this week before he heads -- in the next week, I should say, before he heads to Hawaii with his family on Friday.

And what this also does is sets up a likely big fight on immigration sometime in February, Ana.

CABRERA: Just quickly, Erin, we talked about the Republicans who don't like this bill. But there were some Democrats who spoke out against it as well we know. Senator Elizabeth Warren was one of them. Are the Dems all aligned now or is there some division on that side too?

MCPIKE: Well, there are Democrats who are very upset, Elizabeth Warren, I do mentioned and also Nancy Pelosi. And they are upset because it rolls back some regulations on Wall Street. It also dramatically raises the limits that donors can give to political parties. They think this is a bad thing for the middle class. But Elizabeth Warren made the stand she made but she's not going to stand in the way of passing the bill, Ana.

CABRERA: All right, Erin McPike at the White House. Thank you.

Let's turn to the weather. The damage from the storms that have moved through California. We have live images, in fact, from the scene, in Camario (ph) spring, southern California, just outside of L.A. where the homes you can see are buried up the roofs in some places with all of the rock and debris following some mudslides there. In fact, several homes were swallowed up. Luckily, the mandatory evacuations were ordered before the mudslides began. No injuries, no reports of these victims in this case. But certainly a huge mess and homes lost, which is tragic to see.

Let's get the update from meteorologist Karen Maginnis about what is next.

KAREN MAGINNIS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes. We have this rainfall and in the big scream of thing, one to two, possibly three inches of rainfall does not sound all that substantial. But if you are in California and one of the weirdest years that we have had in quite a long time, they are saying that the severe or the extreme drought that has materialized, the ground is so dry that that water is running off. That's what we saw, because primarily there was a burn area that brought all that debris down the hill. And it's just filled the homes with muck and mud and boulders.

Now, take a look at the other thing and that's a tornado. We have been showing you all day here on CNN. And the person shooting this video was rather excited, as you can hear.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Holy (bleep).

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MAGINNIS: Yes. Well, as you can imagine, this EF-0 tornado touched down on the south side of Los Angeles. It did do some damage. Winds estimated between 65 and 85 miles an hour. And trees were blown down, power outages. There were buildings damaged. But no one was injured. So even though with all this violent weather and a couple of inches of rainfall, it is amazing that in southern California, having dealt with the violent weather, that we didn't see more in the way of injuries.

Now, there were several water rescues, one in the L.A. River. These two people, husband and wife, were rescued there. The tornado touched down, it was about 9:00. And you don't have a lot of warning, especially with December violent storms. Well, here goes our one wet weather system. Another one, yes, it's

right on the heels. But it doesn't look, Ana, as if it's going to be quite as intense, because the other that we saw was a pineapple express, it produced all the wet weather.

CABRERA: Yes, triggering those mudslides.

Meteorologist Karen Maginnis, thanks for the update.

And up next, Wall Street takes a big tank. But there's a silver ling for drivers. What it all means for your money next.

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CABRERA: Take a look at these live pictures now from New York City. This is Washington park square or Washington square park, I should say. You can see it looks to be thousands of demonstrators who are gathered there for a march that just got under way at 2:00. They are coming up. We are going to take you there live to the ground to talk about what these protesters are demanding and calling for today in this national day of action.

It was perhaps the worst week for Wall Street in more than three years. But there is a silver lining. CNN business correspondent Alison Kosik explains.

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ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: It was a tough week for some and you can pinned it all on one thing, oil. The Dow, Nasdaq and S&P 500 dropped this week and on the side, the biggest since 2011. The problem, we had not just one but three separate reports this week saying the same thing, that global oil demand will drop next year. That's from the U.S. government, OPEC and the international energy agency.

But by the same token, the supply of oil on the market is still strong, which is why crude oil prices plunged this week falling below $60 a barrel. Prices are down more than 40 percent this year and are sitting at levels we haven't seen since 2009. And the decline has happened really fast. That makes investors nervous.

They pulled money out of big companies like chevron and mobile. The thinking is the drop in oil prices will lead to lower profits and cutbacks. And companies are already warning of exactly that. BP in Cannibal Phillips (ph) recently announced that oil exploration and jobs will be cut.

But the flip side to this? Low oil prices mean low gas prices. Nationally, gas is 60 cents to 70 cents cheaper than last year. That's a big savings for people. According to one estimates, it is a savings of $500 per household, giving people more money to spend on Christmas presents. But this week Wall Street focused on the negative side.

Alison Kosik, CNN, New York. (END VIDEOTAPE)

CABRERA: It is good timing for most of us to have gas prices go down.

Still to come, what the Sony hack attack tells us about our own cyber vulnerability. From the power grid to air traffic control to our banking habits, we are just one click away from a catastrophe.

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CABRERA: It's 2:21 in the east, it is 11:21 in the west. And the FBI is at work investigating the Sony Pictures hack attack. And that is the attack exposed secrets and the series, of course, of embarrassing emails exchanged between executives like celebs including Angelina Jolie. But private companies are not the only vulnerable ones. America's power grid, the subway system, air traffic control towers could be at risk.

CNN's Deborah Feyerick take a look at the danger that is lurking in just a few key stroke on the keyboard.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cyberattacks against Sony, Target, Home Depot, JPMorgan Chase, Google, e-bay and virtually every business sector allowed criminals and bad actors to steal millions of Americans personal data, credit card numbers as well as corporate secrets.

Now imagine if similar cyberattacks made your lights go out or cutoff your water supply. Imagine in critical infrastructure we rely on every single day simply shut down. The threat is not only very real, it's inevitable.

ADMIRAL MICHAEL ROGERS, NSA DIRECTOR: It's only a matter of when and not if that we're going to see something traumatic.

FEYERICK: Admiral Michael Rogers heads the NSA and cyber command.

ROGERS: We've seen individuals, groups inside critical U.S. infrastructure.

FEYERICK: That's right. Power plants, banking systems, air traffic control, subways, all are vulnerable.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Years ago what could have only been accomplished through a kinetic attack using missiles or bombs can now be done with a few key strokes to wipe out a sector of our nation's electric grid not just for days or weeks but potentially for months.

FEYERICK: According to the department of homeland security adversaries are inside hundreds if not thousands of U.S. critical infrastructure computers.

It's not just about getting information it seems. It's also the ability to control those sectors. SUZANNE SPAULDING, DHS UNDERSECRETARY: This is something that we

worry a lot about.

FEYERICK: CNN was given rare access to DHS' heavily protected cybersecurity sector known as N-kick (ph). It is run by the DHS undersecretary Suzanne Spaulding who oversees team at federal investigators, analysts and private infrastructure experts scrutinizing realtime cyber breaches.

SPAULDING: The thing that keeps me awake at night is knowing that there is the potential there for adversaries to get to those control systems, those systems that run machinery whether it is gates on dams or parts of the electric grid.

FEYERICK: Isn't this an act of war?

TOM PARKER, CTO, FUSIONX: Well, that's the million dollar question. What the Chinese are doing is really preparing the battlefield, if that day were to arrive, and then they would have significant advantage.

FEYERICK: Cybersecurity expert Tom Parker showed us just how easy it is to shutdown something like a power grid.

PARKER: Here we have the hacker's computer. And the hacker has already berg in to the electric utility and not we put access to that electric utilities network doing reverse engineer the codes which are sunning the operating system that is running on this device which is controlling the electric grid in this scenario.

FEYERICK: Once inside the system, the attacker waits to strike. And then watch as the lights go off in less than a second. More than three-quarters of the nation's critical infrastructure is privately owned. Critics say shows companies are not doing enough to safeguard their own systems.

REP. JAMES LANGEVIN (D), RHODE ISLAND: They don't want it coming out of their bottom line.

FEYERICK: Congressman Langevin says the threat is akin to knowing about hijackers pre- 9/11 and still doing nothing.

LANGEVIN: We know that there is a glared vulnerability and we're not moving with all urgency to close it.

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CABRERA: Let's talk about this Sony hacking situation and bring in our White Hat hacker and the CEO of trusted SEC, David Kennedy.

David, thanks for joining us. The Sony hack has been pretty eye opening. What has stood out to you the most?

DAVID KENNEDY, WHITE HAT HACKER: Well I mean, it's the malicious intent for what they have done. I mean, they have released emails, they have exposed, you know, lots of internal documents. They have, you know, terabytes and terabytes of information. Then they actually destroyed large portions of Sony's server infrastructure where they couldn't send emails out. So I think it just shows you how bad this hack actually was and how impactful it was with Sony.

CABRERA: Plus, Sony is a technology company by all accounts. How sophisticated was this attack?

KENNEDY: You know, when you look at the attack itself, it doesn't look like it was too sophisticated. I mean, experts are saying that, you know, it could have possibly been North Korea. There's a lot of evidence that is showing that's probably not the case. That it was just probably a hacker group that broke in to their network. That's the scary part.

I mean, they are technology company. And so, if you know, if you look at the wide spectrum of, you know, the financial sector, the medical sector and, you know, the piece on the electrical grid, I mean, they are years behind, you know, probably what Sony had. So I mean, we're really vulnerable right when it comes to the types of attacks we see across countries.

CABRERA: And as you mentioned, we still don't know who is behind this attack.

KENNEDY: That's right.

CABRERA: We pointed the finger at North Korea which has denied. But based on your own analysis, what groups or individuals could be capable of pulling it off?

KENNEDY: There's a lot of different demographics. I really don't believe this came from North Korea. North Korea's cyber capabilities are pretty behind the times when it comes to a lot of the other different countries.

What we look at, you know, with these different groups and the motives behind it. And so, there is a lot different reasons. It could be more monetary gain, to gain a lot of money from a fraud perspective. But in most cases, you know, if you look at the groups, a lot of it is for publishing information online, exposing companies. You know, they released a lot of movies that hadn't been released yet on the Internet. There is a lot of different motives behind it. I mean, it could be affiliated with anonymous or different other groups. We just don't know at this point.

CABRERA: And you say there's new information that suggests that the hack actually began a few months ago?

KENNEDY: That's right. There's some evidence that came out that Sony actually knew about the breach in February. And the only reason it started to disclose the information the information was due to a lot of information started to be leaked on the Internet. So it actually held back all of the information that had been he compromised since early in February, which is pretty alarming if you think about it. I mean, that's several months that had gone by without notifying individuals of their personal information, there is medical records that were compromised and exposed, employee information, a lot of different things out there.

CABRERA: I mean, it's really scary to think about the potential that hackers have to disrupt some of these huge institutions. We talk about the power grid and air traffic control, the true danger that people could be put into. I mean, how vulnerable are these systems? Are there safety nets to protect us?

KENNEDY: Well, if you think about it, I mean, everything that we do right now is technology-based. And a lot of the -- you know, if you look at the power grid, the power grid is running off of, you know, equipment from the '60s and '70s that haven't been touched because they don't want to impact the, you know, electrical grid and power to our nation. So I mean, they are highly vulnerable. You know, companies are really trying to grasp what that means. And the problem you had visually in the past five years is that they didn't want to invest money into trying to protect because they didn't see the value in it. But now, you are seeing all these breaches. And now, they are five or six or ten years behind actually securing them. It is going to take them a long time to kind of get up to speed to try to protect against a lot of these. So we are going to see a lot of attacks continue to happen over the next several years. We are very vulnerable.

CABRERA: It sounds like we needed this big wake-up call, though, to get everybody going.

KENNEDY: We did. We did. And we need -- we, unfortunately, we are going to see a lot more. And it's going to promote a better environment that we see out there today.

CABRERA: All right, David Kennedy, thank you for your expertise. We appreciate your time today.

KENNEDY: Thanks, Ana. Thank you.

CABRERA: We will be right back.

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CABRERA: We are just getting in some images from Boston right now. It was shot in fact moments ago. It happened live during the commercial break. So we turned to see what you could happen there among protesters and police. It looks like there was some kind of altercation. Ultimately, these police who have lined up along the route where marchers are participating in the action that is happening around the country today calling for justice, you know, speaking out against unfair treatment of law enforcement involving minorities.

Well, this group here in Boston was very much confronted by the police. And we don't know exactly what happened. But you see them there pulling at least one person aside, appearing to detain this individual. We know about at least one other person we saw come from this crowd also detained by police.

We're working to get some more information about what unfolded there. We do not see violence when we were watching. So we will keep you posted on that situation. But from Boston to New York City, there's another massive protest march happening there, set to begin any minute now in New York City.

Our Alexandra Field is on the ground.

Alexandra, the protesters, there is a planning to march to the New York police department headquarters. What are they hoping to accomplish?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. This is a march that is all about fighting for non-violence in the police force. And they are actually getting under way right now. There have been Thousands of people who been out here this morning, they have been flooding into Washington square park here.

In a few hours before the march was set to begin, really, because so many of these people wanted an opportunity to actually meet at each other, talk with each other. A lot of this was organized online through social media. So there are a lot of different groups coming together. And this was their opportunity over the last couple of hours to meet, to talk, to plan accordingly and then to embark on this march that they are getting -- they are heading on their way on right now.

A lot of people carrying different signs. But they are united by key common themes where they say that they are fighting for non-violence here, that they want reform to the police department. And they are also walking in memory of Eric Garner, of Mike Brown. They are pointing to different cases where they feel police used excessive force. And they are calling for reforms in the future and not just in this city but in the communities across the country.

This is a march that's made up of a very diverse group of people. We are seeing a lot of young people here, racially, ethnically mixed. It's a really calm morning here. A lot of people really just actually appreciating the opportunity to come together to talk. There's been a little bit of chanting but they know a lot of eyes are on them. And they want to share their message, which is why they have sort of carefully designed their route.

They are going to head north here in Manhattan and then they are going turn around and head down to police headquarters where they will wrap up their rally for this day. We will give you just one more look at some of the people who have gathered out here this morning. So many of them, so many of them meeting each other, talking to each other, holding the signs and looking forward to this opportunity to participate in something that's a little more organized, had been a little more carefully planned for than some of the previous demonstrations that we had seen pop up.

CABRERA: We are looking at this huge helicopter shot, this aerial that show it going on and on for blocks, Alexandra. And we know you are kind at the heart of it. Keep us posted on what happens on the ground. Glad to hear things are remaining peaceful there.

Now, after the 9/11 attacks, the hunt for terrorists began. Some say we turned to torture to get vital information. Coming up, the fallout from the release of the controversial report on CIA quote, "torture tactics."

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CABRERA: Details of the so-called torture report have sparked a fierce debate over what should have been done in the days after 9/11. And there's an ongoing debate over whether this controversial report should have been made public. Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein explains why she felt it was necessary for the Senate intelligence committee to release this report.

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SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D), CALIFORNIA: The release of this 500-page summary cannot remove that stain. But it can and does say to our people and the world that America is big enough to admit when it's wrong and confident enough to learn from its mistakes. Releasing this report is an important step to restore our values and show the world that we are in fact a just and lawful society.

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CABRERA: Despite the politics surrounding this report, it's important to remember and to not forget that this debate is deeply personal for those who lost loved ones on September 11th, 2001. And I'm joined by Terry Strata who lost her husband, Tom. Their three children lost their father. Tom was on the 104th floor, the north tower of the World Trade center on that horrific day.

Terry, thank you so much for spending time with us.

TERRY STRATA, HUSBAND DIED IN 9/11 ATTACK: Thank you, Ana. Thank you for having me today.

CABRERA: I know you bring an interesting perspective to this conversation because your husband essentially died at the hands of terrorists. What is your reaction when you hear Senator Feinstein say that it was wrong to use these enhanced interrogation techniques on the men who are believed to have helped plan the September 11th attack?

STRATA: Well, certainly, there is a lot of controversy around this report. There's controversy on who authorized this use of torture. There's controversy, is it torture? There's controversy, was it effective or not?

A lot of those things I really don't know the answers to. What I do know is this. We are fighting an amoral enemy. We are fighting terrorists who do not play by any rules of war. We cannot continue to send out troops over there, our country cannot continue to fight this war on terror with boots on the ground, airstrikes, drones, sanctions against these countries. We cannot also stoop to their level. We cannot become barbarians like them. And we cannot just kill people like they do or torture people like they do. So, how do we destroy this enemy? 9/11 families and survivors, we

believe the best way to go about or essential way to go about this war on terror is to go after the bankrollers of the terrorist organizations. In essence, they are as evil as the terrorists themselves. So a report that I'm much more concerned about than this torture report is 28 pages that were excised from the 2002 joint inquiry into the intelligence activities before and after the September 11th attacks.

And in this report, it refers to the foreign sponsors and the relationship that they had with some of the 19 hijackers while they were here in this country. So this report has been kept hidden from the American people and the 9/11 families for over a decade. And we very much are trying to get to the truth about who was behind 9/11 so we can go after the bankrollers, go after the people that finance, give the financial aid and the logistical aid to these terrorists while they were here.

CABRERA: What are you hearing about why that report, that information has not been made public?

STRATA: OK. Every person that I have spoken to that have read this report have ensured us that there is no threat to national security. So when it was excised back in 2002, it was under the threat of -- national security threat. But every single person I have spoken to they said no, there's no threat to national security. They said at best it would embarrass the Saudis. It would embarrass Saudi Arabia because of the role that they played in aiding and abetting the 19 hijackers while they were here in this country.

So beyond the 28 pages, the 9/11 families have enacted legislation, the justice against sponsors of terrorism act. And this bill I am very proud to say passed the Senate on Thursday evening. Senator Schumer did a wonderful job and Senator Cornyn got it through the Senate. And now, we are position to come back in January and move this bill through the house.

And what this will do will enable victims of terrorism to hold accountable those who finance the attacks, those who aid and abet the terrorists that are killing our loved ones or threatening to kill our loved ones on American soil.

CABRERA: Terry, do you fear at all or is there any concern from yourself or other families that this information could in some way be twisted to help the bad guys? For example, there are some attorneys for Guantanamo detainees who say the so-called torture report, for example, could maybe aid their clients, possibly spare them from the death penalty. I mean, might it be a good idea to withhold some information?

STRATA: Again, you know, I haven't read the 500 pages. So it's very hard for me to speak on them specifically. You know, torture, it's unconstitutional. I can't argue that point. I can't argue that, you know, it's legal. But, again, I don't know all the methods they were using fall under the umbrella of torture. It is a lot of it is unclear to me. CABRERA: Does the information that you are receiving help or hurt

your healing process?

STRATA: It doesn't help in the least. You know, it's painful. We don't want -- we're not an eye for an eye society or the 9/11 families aren't. We're not looking to, like I said, become barbarians like they are. We would like very much to use the methods that I was speaking about to go about ending this war on terror. So I don't want to hear any more bloodshed. I don't want to hear that one more military person has lost their life. I don't -- it's very upsetting.

CABRERA: Understandably.

Thank you, Terry Strata, for joining us. And so sorry for your loss, even though we know it was now, you know, it seems like a long time ago. I imagine it's still a deep pain for your family.

STRATA: Thank you very much. Yes, it is. It never goes away. So thank you very much.

CABRERA: Our hearts are with you. We will be right back. Thank you.

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CABRERA: By all accounts, it has been a rough week for Angelina Jolie. And it just got a little worse.

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ANGELINA JOLIE, ACTRESS: I have chicken pox.

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CABRERA: Chicken pox, yes. She just announced, that's her next problem right now. This was a video message posted on You Tube. She told fans this means she will miss the premiere of "Unbroken," that movie she has directed and she produced. Jolie also had to cancel of her other upcoming public events next week.

The other part of this week has been those emails between Sony executives where a top Hollywood producer called her a spoiled brat.

I want to talk more about this with Entertainment Tonight host and CNN contributor Nischelle Turner.

Nischelle is joining us on the phone now from New York.

NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Hi, Ana.

CABRERA: Hello. It's great to talk to you. What a week for Angelina Jolie. Let's start with the chicken pox video. What's the news there that? Did she have to put out the video?

TURNER: You know, it's interesting because I don't think that I nor anyone has ever uttered the word, God, I wouldn't want to be Angelina Jolie right now. And so, this is a first. Because, yes, she has had a terrible week. You know, she put the video out on You Tube kind of letting everyone know yes, indeed, I do have chicken pox.

I think it's because that it ties to the Sony email hack a little bit. Because we saw this come out about her saying that she was a minimally talented spoiled brat. And it kind of just taking shot at her. So the fact she pulled out from her public events, I think she didn't want people to feel like it was because of that. So I think she wanted to give everyone proof and show, yes, I really am sick. I don't think she had to put out the video. But you know, Angelina didn't want anyone to think she was shirking her duty.

CABRERA: Right. And we showed the picture earlier in our news cast about, you know, the one with Jolie and Amy Pascal, the Sony executive with this very what seem to be kind of icy moment. Was it supposed to be a hug? Were they talked about something serious? Do you know anymore background on what happened on that interaction?

TURNER: Well, it was at the women of Hollywood power breakfast in Los Angeles on Wednesday. And what I do know and you and I can both attest to this. I mean, you can take a snapshot and get people in different various poses or facial expressions. It may not be exactly how they were feeling (ph). But I would say that capturing a meeting between her and Amy Pascal, the day after these emails come out, I can imagine only what she was thinking.

So I do think that her face read a lot on that video. Now, I know that some people were speculated that Amy Pascal may have been apologizing to her and Angelina was listening intently to what she was saying. But what I do know is that Angelina takes her craft and her projects very seriously. So to see someone say those things about her I can only imagine how she felt, especially now that she's promoting a film she had so much of her heart in which is "unbroken." I know that she probably is thinking, I cannot believe this stuff has come out now. But we have heard since then other actors and also, you know, directors and producers come out and say, you know what, now we are seeing what these executives really think about us. So, it's starting to unravel. It's not a good thing, Ana, not at all.

CABRERA: Everybody has kind to watch their back now. And you mentioned "Unbroken." I know she has been getting great publicity about this movie. It has been talked about as being possible Oscar contenders so it's a pretty big deal. So makes you think that the timing of all this -- I mean, is it good or bad? Is it a case of, you know, any news is good news if you are a Hollywood star trying to promote something?

TURNER: You know, I am a subscriber to that. I'm not sure if there is anything that is bad publicity anymore these days because if people are talking about you, then it's usually a good thing, but regardless of what they are talking about.

I will have to say for this film, I think it was interesting and maybe even telling this week, the Golden Globe nominations came out on Thursday and we did not see Angelina Jolie get a nomination for best director for this film. And I will tell you, the Hollywood foreign press loves her. So for them to pass her over, I'm not sure what that says for her down the road with Oscar nominations. Because we did see another woman (INAUDIBLE) get nominated for a Golden Globe for her movie, "Selma," the first African-American woman to ever be nominated in the best director category for Golden Globe.

And a lot of people would speculate in either it would be Eva or be Angelina to get a nomination for best director in this category. We saw that go to Eva for Golden Globe. But it could always change. It could always change. It is "Unbroken" is the type of movie that the Oscar -- that the academy loves and could not see nominations for.

CABRERA: I'm looking forward to seeing it personally. It is always interesting during award season for sure.

Nischelle Turner, thanks for spending time with us today.

We will be back.

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CABRERA: CNN is shining a spotlight on amazing people who do good work around the world. And we have a preview of the documentary called "Extraordinary People" featuring the man, one of the men, I believe to help stop the terror attack at the Canadian parliament that happened back in October. Here is Anderson Cooper with a preview.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As the shooting began, I moved behind this pillar.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR, AC 360: Josh (INAUDIBLE) is a reporter with the newspaper, "the Globe and mail." He captured the most dramatic video, the incident inside.

The prime minister was right over here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prime Minister was right in there. So you know, 300 people, 300 was probably in total, just in neither door wing. You know to have chairs being piled. There s a makeshift barricades against these doorways.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Knowing the doors couldn't be locked and hearing that much fire power was really shocking.

COOPER: Freeman was one of those parliamentarians.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was an intense moment for everyone who was in the room. We, you know, hit under desks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, now, now. Go, go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were all afraid for our lives.

COOPER: Afraid until Kevin Vickers made his stand.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At that moment after the first exchange, just down another hall is the sergeant at arms, Kevin Vickers.

COOPER: Evan Solomon is a reporter and host of Canada's network's CBC. He obtained exclusive details of how the incident transpired.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kevin Vickers in his office, he grabbed the pistol from his locked box and he immediately exit down his hall which is very close to where Vivo (ph) is. He goes --

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