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New York City Calls for Protests to Stop; No Charges for Milwaukee Officer; Gun-Smuggling Ring at Airports Busted; Second Car Attack in France

Aired December 23, 2014 - 06:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Assassination.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a difficult time for both of our families.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Until these funerals are passed, let's focus just on these families.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The experience of this mayor, in terms of some cops not liking him, it's nothing new.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shots fired, shots fired, officer involved.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A former police officer cleared after shooting and killing a mentally ill man.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No mother should bury their child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A carry on bag full of loaded weapons.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 129 weapons, including an AK-47.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really makes you wonder how safe it is to travel.

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, welcome to NEW DAY. It is Tuesday, December 23rd, just before 6:00 in the East. Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota here. Up first, tensions surrounding the slaughter of two cops have the mayor of New York City pleading for protests and political debates to stop, at least until the officers can be laid to rest.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: We're also hearing from the grieving widow of Officer Wenjian Liu about her husband's commitment to family and service, as the NYPD ramps up their security for the big New Years Eve celebrations in the face of at least 15 internet threats. So, let's get right to Alexandra Field. She is live for us from Brooklyn, New York. What's the latest, Alexandra?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn. We know that securing Times Square on New Years Eve is always a big job, even bigger this year because you have to take extra consideration for the safety of the officers who will be out there. At the same time, we're hearing more calls from city officials for demonstrators to not protests until both of these officers can be laid to rest. The officers will also be honored later today with a moment of silence at City Hall.

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FIELD (voice-over): This morning, police on heightened alert as Attorney General Eric Holder condemns the killings of NYPD officers, Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu, calling it an assassination.

MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D), NEW YORK: The attack on them was an attack on all of us.

FIELD: Mayor Bill de Blasio trying to ease tensions. Critics charge the mayor has not shown support for police, saying his sympathy for what they call anti-police demonstrations have helped pave the way for the deaths of the officers. On Monday, de Blasio meeting with the families of the slain officers. The mayor calling for unity and respect by halting protests until after the funerals.

DE BLASIO: In this tragedy, maybe we find some way of moving forward. That would be an appropriate way to honor these fallen officers and their families that are in pain right now.

FIELD: Also developing, new surveillance video captures shooter Ismaaiyl Brinsley about three hours before his deadly rampage at a mall in Brooklyn, carrying a Styrofoam box, police believe with a gun inside. Officials now asking for the public's help in tracking his whereabouts leading up to the attacks. Authorities believe, based on social media posts, that Brinsley wanted revenge against police for the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner. His estranged family, speaking out for the first time, describe him as a troubled man who's life spiraled out of control.

JALAA'A BRINSLEY, SISTER OF ISMAAIYL BRINSLEY: This was a troubled -- emotionally troubled kid. He needed help. He didn't get it.

FIELD: Monday night, vigils lighting the city. The Liu family expressing gratitude to the police department and the public for their support.

PEI XIA CHEN, WIDOW OF OFFICER LIU: This is a difficult time for both of our families. But we will stand together and get through this together. Thank you.

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FIELD: And we are also learning some new details of the investigation this morning. Officers say they've been looking through Brinsley's cell phone. They have found thousands of images. Among those images, some video which they believe was shot during one of the protests in New York City earlier this month. And while, again, there are continued calls from city officials asking demonstrators not to protest until these officers are laid to rest, we are already seeing some social media reports of plans of some groups to demonstrate later today, Chris.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Alexandra, thank you for the reporting.

We have another controversial case to tell you about. This time Milwaukee is bracing for protests after a cop killed a mentally ill man and will not face charges. Officer Christopher Manney shot Dontre Hamilton after, according to the officer, a pat down became an altercation. And Hamilton got hold of the officer's baton and hit him with it. Officer Manny was later fired from the force, not for shooting, but for how he handled the man who was known to be mentally ill before the altercation took place.

Meanwhile, we're getting our first look at dash cam video, there it is, following the shooting. The feds are now opening an investigation into this case.

Let's get right to George Howell. He's on the ground in Milwaukee.

George, what do we know?

GEORGE HOWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chris, good morning.

So, important to talk about timing. This decision, obviously, playing out around the same time as events in New York. And protesters here are talking about it. They say that murder and violence is never condoned. And they say it shouldn't be accepted in this case either. But the frustrated mother of the victim says she is not surprised by that decision.

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HOWELL: Outrage on the streets of Milwaukee after the D.A. announced a former city police officer, Christopher Manney, would not face charges in the shooting death of a mentally ill suspect, Dontre Hamilton, back in April.

JOHN CHISHOLM, MILWAUKEE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: His use of force, while it was privileged and was justified.

HOWELL: Manney says Hamilton resisted a pat-down. The two exchanged punches before, according to Manney, Hamilton started hitting him with his own baton.

OFFICER CHRISTOPHER MANNEY: I don't even know if I was hit. It was close contact. I need an officer to help me here.

HOWELL: This newly released audio captures Manney calling in for help.

MANNEY: The guy started beating me, he started beating me, he grabbed my bat. He was going to hit me in the head with my own bat and shots fired.

HOWELL: The officer shot Hamilton 14 times. MANNEY: Shots fired, shots fired, officer involved.

HOWELL: Manney has since been fired for not following proper protocol, but now face no charges.

EDWARD FLYNN, MILWAUKEE POLICE CHIEF: I think he exercised extraordinarily bad judgment that day that basically put him in a position where he had no alternative but to use deadly force.

HOWELL: Manney is the same officer seen in this bizarre cell phone video back in 2012. Manney, seen here, throwing punches at a local activist dressed as a clown. Police say the clown was darting in and out of traffic, going up to cars with a squirt gun and that he resisted arrest. In an exclusive interview with CNN, the victim's mother, Maria Hamilton, tells me she thinks he's an overzealous cop who got away with murder.

MARIA HAMILTON, MOTHER OF DONTRE HAMILTON: No mother should bury their child to something this tragic.

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HOWELL: Important to point out the video there of the officer on the ground wrestling that clown. Now, the clown is a known activist here in Milwaukee and it is important to point out that the family basically says they question the officer's judgment and how he handles suspect and certainly the confidence in this decision coming from the D.A., Alisyn.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: OK, George Howell, thanks so much for all of that background.

We want to talk more about this, so let's bring in Cedric Alexander. He's president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives and chief operating officer of public safety for Dekalb County. He is also a member of President Obama's new task force on 21st century policing. And Chris Ahmuty. He is the executive director of the ACLU in Wisconsin.

Gentlemen, thanks so much for being here.

We want to start with this Milwaukee case. Chris, I want to start with you.

The investigators determined that this police officer had to use deadly force, it was justified because he himself was under attack with his own baton that Dontre Hamilton had gotten away from him. So why are we seeing all the protests? Why are people so outraged today?

CHRIS AHMUTY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ACLU, WISCONSIN: Well, the scope of the criminal investigation was limited really to about 30 seconds' worth of the encounter. If you expand the timeframe and look at the whole encounter, this critical incident really is evidence of bad judgment on the part of the officer and perhaps a lack of supervision from the department itself. This could have been prevented if the officer had approached the

subject, Mr. Hamilton, in a better way, in a less aggressive way. Because earlier in that morning, twice, other officers had come to the park and determined that Mr. Hamilton was doing nothing wrong, was disturbing no one, but yet Mr. Manney -

CAMEROTA: Yes. He was lying on a park bench, as we understand it, and his eyes were open, I believe, and his leg was shaking.

AHMUTY: Uh-huh.

CAMEROTA: The police officers approached him, found that he was doing nothing wrong. But when this officer came up, he tried to pat him down to see if he had any weapon, and that's when a physical altercation ensued.

But I want to bring up the next point, which is, for the first time in this case, in Wisconsin, because of a new law, an outside investigative body, not the local D.A.'s office, an outside investigative body, the Division of Criminal Investigation, looked at this and determined that no charges should be filed against the officer. That's what people around the country have been calling for. Certainly in the Eric Garner case and in the Ferguson case, they wanted an outside body. Here they got that and they determined that no charges should be filed against the officer.

AHMUTY: That's not true.

CAMEROTA: Go ahead.

AHMUTY: The investigation under the new law was handled by the Wisconsin Department of Justice, Division of Criminal Investigations. They gave a report to the district attorney, to attorney -- District Attorney Chisholm. District Attorney Chisholm also contacted other experts, a local expert and a national expert, and got their information and their opinions as well. So -- but the call was still up to the district attorney. The same district attorney who works on a daily basis with police in Milwaukee. So while the nature of the investigation was changed a little bit, in fact mostly what happened it was lengthened -

CAMEROTA: Yes.

AHMUTY: The decision was still made by somebody who works with the police every day.

CAMEROTA: OK. Fair enough.

Cedric, I want to bring in you, because at first blush it feels as though, here we go again, this is another black man, he's been shot more than a dozen times by this white officer. But there are important distinctions. How do you see -- do you see this as more of the same? Or do you see this as an unfortunate police shooting? That happens sometimes, particularly when police feel that they are being physically threatened. CEDRIC ALEXANDER, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF BLACK LAW

ENFORCEMENT EXECUTIVES: You know, here's part of the problem, Alisyn. You know, you have to look at each one of these cases in recent months very individually. You can't put them all in the same place even though some of the dynamics seem very similar to each other. And I think that's what's creating a great deal of concern for people across this country.

But here's the problem as I see it, is that there is a lack of trust within the criminal justice system. And that is something that we keep hearing from protesters across the country. And I think it's something that we really have to pay very, very close attention to.

Police officers have a very difficult role. They do the best that they can in a moment that they're given. And when you start adding in other variables, sometimes that can and cannot be accounted for, it becomes very difficult, if you will, to assess what went on until a full investigation is conducted.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

ALEXANDER: But the case here in Milwaukee, I don't want to get into the mechanics of it, but I will say this, this is a continuation of what we've been hearing for months is people in the community not having a sense of trust in the criminal justice system. That's the piece that has to be fixed.

CAMEROTA: Yes. Isn't there another piece that has to be fixed, and that is, that in all three of these cases, the Milwaukee case, the Eric Garner case, and the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, the police officers were scared. They testified that they were scared. They felt that they were sort of out somehow -- not outgunned, but they were overpowered, they felt. They were afraid of the suspect that they were confronting. Couldn't more police training help fix this?

ALEXANDER: Well, absolutely, absolutely. Training is a key part in this in terms of how you engage people. But here again, at the end of the day, we can't account for each and every case because they're going to be very difficult for a variety of reasons. We train officers. I think additional training is important as we move forward across this country, providing to our police officers. But we also have to be mindful of the fact as well, too, that each one of these situations, and every situation coming forward, is going to be different. They need to be examined fairly, for that of the community to have a sense of trust and also for the police officer involved as well, too, to feel like they were being supported doing the job the best that they can.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

ALEXANDER: And then allow a system in which people feel that they can trust work the rest out.

CAMEROTA: Great point. Cedric Alexander, Chris Ahmuty, thanks so much for all the background.

ALEXANDER: Thank you for having me.

AHMUTY: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Let's go back to Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Alisyn.

So word of a really interesting story happening at the airports. Authorities have broken up an alleged gun-smuggling ring at two of the nation's busiest airports. A Delta Airlines baggage loader allegedly conspired with a former Delta employee to move the guns between Hartsfield-Jackson in Atlanta and JFK in New York, all right under the nose of airport security. CNN's Rene Marsh has the latest from Washington.

So, two employees, one former, one current, smuggling guns, and not in a really secretive way. They were doing it within the ordinary chain of custody?

RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION & REGULATION CORRESPONDENT: Boy, when you hear the details here, Chris, it really is jaw dropping. As you mentioned, it's a Delta Airlines baggage handler and that former employee. They're busted in this smuggling operation. We're talking about assault rifles, hand guns, some of them even loaded, all smuggled onto commercial planes in carry-on luggage.

Now, it happened on at least five planes from Atlanta's Hartsfield Airport to New York's JFK. Investigators closed in on the operation, arresting one of the men, Mark Henry, when he landed at JFK. So you're looking at the breakout here. We're talking about 18 handguns in his bag, seven of them loaded. That's when he was arrested. But there were a total of 129 handguns and two assault rifles smuggled in this operation.

Then they were being sold. The problem was, they didn't realize the buyer was an undercover cop. So investigators say the gun supplier was that baggage handler with Delta. His name is Eugene Harvey. He used his airport security clearance to get the guns in. once his accomplice cleared TSA, the two men would communicate via text message, meet in a men's bathroom, transfer the goods, and that's how more than 100 guns were smuggled on to passenger plans during a seven-month period.

Chris.

CUOMO: A hundred guns during that period. And, you know, as we understand, more of the reporting comes out on this, authorities got a good tip on this, otherwise they may not even have detected it when they did.

Rene, thank you very much for the reporting. Appreciate it.

A lot of news this morning. Let's get to Christine Romans, in for Michaela. She has the headlines.

Chris.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, you two. Let's take a look at some of those headlines right now.

North Korea's Internet struggling to stay online this morning. It was knocked offline for more than nine hours. It has been intermittent since first coming back. Now, American officials won't confirm or deny if the U.S. was involved, but the timing of this mysterious outage is notable. Just after the major hack on Sony. CNN has also learned the Pentagon is beefing up its cyber defense to guard against future hack attempts by the regime.

Rattled nerves in France this morning after the second car attack on pedestrians in two days. Eleven people injured Monday when a driver slammed into shoppers in the western city of Nantes. The suspect then stabbed himself, but is expected to survive. On Sunday, a man shouting, "God is great" in Arabic, mowed down pedestrians at Dijon in eastern France, injuring 13 people. And Saturday, in central France, police shot and killed a suspect who stabbed three police officers. More on all this in just a few minutes.

In Australia, families saying good-bye to victims of Sydney's bloody hostage standoff. The funeral for Lindt cafe manager Tori Johnson took place just a short distance from the site of the siege. The 34-year- old Johnson was reportedly killed while trying to wrestle the weapon away from the gunman. Victim Katrina Dawson honored at a separate service. The 38-year-old lawyer remembered by her husband, her children, and other loved ones.

Republican Congressman Michael Grimm of New York expected to plead guilty today to one count of tax evasion. He was indicted back in April on 20 counts of filing false tax returns, mail fraud, wire fraud, hiring undocumented workers and perjury. Grimm has long insisted he did nothing wrong. He blames politics and grudges. Despite his troubles, Grimm was just re-elected to his third term in Congress. No word on whether he'll step down. But today a guilty plea on one of those cases - one of those charges.

CUOMO: Always tough to argue you did nothing wrong when you plead guilty.

ROMANS: This is true.

CUOMO: All right.

ROMANS: So we'll wait to see what he has to say today.

CUOMO: But when you have as many things on the table against you, as Grimm did, then he can say, well, on this I'm pleading guilty. But other things he says he's not.

ROMANS: And he famously - he famously threatened to throw a reporter off the Capitol Hill balcony for asking about his legal troubles last year.

CUOMO: Yes.

CAMEROTA: We remember that video. That one --

CUOMO: Odd words about -

ROMANS: And then he was re-election.

CUOMO: Odd words about treating him like a little boy or something like that.

ROMANS: That's right.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

ROMANS: That's right.

CUOMO: And on camera he did it.

ROMANS: That's right.

CAMEROTA: Ah, there you go. Christine, thank you very much.

Let's get to meteorologist Jennifer Gray. She's keeping track of the latest forecast for us.

How's it looking, Jennifer?

JENNIFER GRAY, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Hi. Well, it looks like we're going to see some major slowdowns as we get into Christmas Eve. And that should be cleared up by Christmas Day, but already seeing snow and rain all across the upper Midwest. We're looking at snow, pushing into portions of Minneapolis. Right now it is rain just for Chicago. That will be turning into snow tomorrow.

Look at the northeast, already seeing showers and then snow and even a mixture in upstate New York. We are going to look at the possibility of severe storms today along the Gulf Coast. Rain all across the east. Rain and snow mixed in northern New England. And then snow in the northern plains and the upper Midwest. If you are traveling, do expect traveling delays anywhere from New York City, all the way through Atlanta. That includes D.C., Chicago, could see delays today. Denver, winds for you causing delays as well.

As we get into your Christmas Eve forecast, a line of snow sets up right around Chicago. We could see one to three inches of snow. However, isolated amounts, three to six inches. So do expect major delays across places like Chicago tomorrow. Also New York City seeing more delays because of the rain and the wind. Atlanta, winds for you going to cause delays as well.

By Christmas Day, everything seems to calm down just a little bit. We'll stay mainly dry. Just a couple of flurries left out there. But the rain is going to be significant across the south. Four to six inches across north Florida, three to five across much of the south. And then look at this snow. Through this - through Wednesday, one to three inches around Chicago. But, guys, three to six, like we mentioned, isolated amounts, definitely waking up to a white Christmas in portions of Chicago.

Guys. CAMEROTA: That's nice. That's great. They'll look forward to that.

All right, Jennifer, thanks so much.

CUOMO: That was - that was very hollow, what you just said.

CAMEROTA: No, no.

CUOMO: You are not happy for Chicago.

CAMEROTA: I guess -

CUOMO: You're not getting a white Christmas and you don't like it but don't give shade on Chicago.

CAMEROTA: Look, look, I have mixed feelings about a white Christmas -

CUOMO: (INAUDIBLE).

CAMEROTA: Because we're not getting one. Plus, I do like summer more than winter. So there's a lot of mixed feelings going on here. But I'm still happy for Chicago.

CAMEROTA: I see a need for the audience to weigh in. Will you tweet us on whether or not Camerota was down on Chicago getting a white Christmas? I'm just saying. There it is.

CAMEROTA: We look forward to hearing you on that topic.

All right -

CUOMO: @chriscuomo.

CAMEROTA: And @alisyncamerota.

All right, meanwhile, the public is on edge in France. You just heard about this, two vehicle attacks on innocent pedestrians. And a stabbing attack against police. Two of the suspects yelling "God is great" in Arabic during the mayhem. All of the violence unfolding over three chaotic days. Is there a connection between all of them?

CUOMO: And, you know, we can't confirm it, but very suspicious -- did the U.S. just deliver the North Koreans a taste of their own medicine? The nation's Internet mysteriously goes down. How did it happen? If it was coming from the U.S., is that right reaction?

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CUOMO: We have two major international situations on the terrorism agenda this morning. First of all, there have been three attacks in France in as many days, leaving dozens injured. In at least two of those cases, the attacker was screaming "Allahu Akbar," "God is great," before he struck. Now, attacks Sunday and Monday involving cars plowing into crowds of pedestrians while an attacker Saturday went into a police station and slashed officers. French authorities say despite that well-known Arabic phrase, they don't see a connection to Islamic terrorism. How can that be?

Let's bring in Will Geddes. He's a security analyst and managing director of International Corporate Protection.

Will, thank you very much.

We also want to talk about what's happening in Australia in the aftermath of that horrible showdown that they had there, about the chatter there, the increased terror alert there. But let's start with France.

So, when you look at these three attacks and the use of that talismanic Islamic phrase, why do you believe the French authorizes don't see it as Islamic terror?

WILL GEDDES, SECURITY ANALYST: Well, it's an interesting one, Chris. I mean certainly of the three attacks, the one that's only being investigated by the domestic intelligence agencies to any greater degree is really the attack, as you said, against the police officers. The other two are falling into this category which we're beginning to see repeated all over the place of individuals that are self- radicalized, that have decided for one reason or another to actually go out and perpetrate these horrific acts. And certainly in these last two cases, obviously the individuals obviously getting in their vehicles and plowing into, you know, innocent pedestrians.

The problem we're seeing repeatedly is that you have individuals that are self-radicalized, deluded fantasists, who are associating, whether it be through mental illnesses or one reason or another, to be connected to ISIS.

CUOMO: OK.

GEDDES: But the French domestic intelligence are saying, no connection on the first - not he last two.

CUOMO: All right, let's unpack those -- the two primary issues here. The first would be the growth of the Islamic population in and around -- in France certainly, but in and around Paris especially. Northern Paris has a huge Muslim enclave there that reportedly is largely unpoliced. Now, what does that do to add to the mix of trouble in confronting what may come out of that community?

GEDDES: Well, France has in itself a massive migrant population. And certainly in terms of the Islamic growth, if you like, within the country, France has got some considerable problems. And bearing in mind that they're a strong partner within this coalition down in Syria and Iraq, the fact that they have approximately 400 or so individuals that have supposedly traveled down to Syria and Iraq and an unknown number who have subsequently returned, there are some serious issues there. They've foiled, as they say, five significant plots in the last 18 months. So France is very much on the radar, as is anywhere else.

CUOMO: All right. And, of course, we do not want to paint all Muslims with the same brush. Obviously the overwhelming percentage of some 1.2 billion Muslims are non-violent, just like members of other major faiths. But when you do have Islamic radicals, they are coming out of that community, so that's the concern of addressing the population.

The second prong, mental health. We're seeing that here too, Will. We've just had two horrible situations at least here involving the NYPD and in Milwaukee, where mentally ill people were involved and they became destabilized and it wound up leading to great violence. You think that may be in play in France also?

GEDDES: Oh, absolutely. I think we're seeing this worldwide. We have to consider that ISIS is almost a magnet for the deluded and the mentally ill to associate themselves. And when we look at say, for example, a perpetrator killing someone innocently in the street, as soon as they put the banner of ISIS behind it, it obviously has greater repercussions in terms of the gravity that they believe their actions are that they're taking.

So, you know, we've got a big issue here, certainly in terms of de- radicalization programs. We've been somewhat unsuccessful in Europe, including here in the United Kingdom, and France especially so, in trying to get into the communities to, again, draw on the Muslim community to obviously come together to try to work to those that are seeing this distorted version as some kind of banner for them to pin their flag to.

CUOMO: So the lone wolf phenomenon actually leads to three risk groups. You have those with perverse ideas of religion, those who just have evil intent in their hearts and looking for an outlet, and now as somewhat of bait for those who may not be of right mind. So that just adds to the threat level.

The Australia situation. So after the horrible showdown, Australian authorities say that they are seeing follow-up banter, high-level traffic online especially, about future threats, so much so they may raise the terror alert. Is that true?

GEDDES: Yes, absolutely. Australia, again, is another country that has got a significant problem with individuals that are radicalized traveling to Syria and Iraq. And those again, in those categories that you've just mentioned, who are seeing ISIS as that flagpole. The concerns that the Australians have is that, again, as with anywhere else, it's the interception of some of the publicity and the propaganda on social media. And this is why it's even more critical that the social media platforms come together and work proactively in trying to identify these individuals because we're seeing time and again that they are promoting what they're going to do just before they do it.

CUOMO: Of course the, you know, social media universe is so vast, obviously that's why you need the actual providers to be involved in the effort and that gets complicated as well. Will Geddes, thank you very much for the insight. Appreciate it.

All right, so those are the situations that are going on. What do you think about them in this evolving threat of lone wolves, this aspect of mental illness coming into play? Are we ready to deal with that? You can tweet us @newday or go to facebook.com/newday.

Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right, Chris, the National Security Council, the State Department, they're all mum this morning about North Korea's nine-hour Internet interruption. The rouge nation struggling to get back online. Was the blackout a special delivery from the U.S.?

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