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Dr. Drew
Shocking Behavior Gone Viral
Aired December 24, 2014 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, shocking behavior gone viral. Teachers, bus drivers, vegans, all caught in the act, all
caught on tape. And then, there is the naked hamburger thieves. Let us get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening, everyone. I am here with my co-host, Samantha Schacher. Sam, good evening.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Good evening.
PINSKY: Indeed, we have an hour of raw, unverified viral videos. But first up, a school bus carrying dozens of elementary school kids
swerves all over the highway and you are witness. The bus driver allegedly under the influence, guess what, prescription pills. Take a
look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE LISA MARTINEZ, PASSENGER: I do not get scared very easily, but my heart is pounding.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A frantic chaperon on a field trip on this Davis School District bus dials 911 on the road to Provo.
LISA MARTINEZ, PASSENGER: Oh, oh!
DISPATCHER: What happened?
LISA MARTINEZ, PASSENGER: She almost hit this van next to us. OK, I am honestly shaking at this point.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A 39-nine-year-old Lisa Martinez (ph) is behind the wheel just before 8:00 Monday morning with 67 elementary
students and seven adults on board, where passengers and other drivers along I-15 through Salt Lake County are nervous.
LISA MARTINEZ, PASSENGER: Whoever is driving this thing cannot maintain a lane.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: After a couple of close calls --
LISA MARTINEZ, PASSENGER: She is freaking us out, man.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A trooper pulls the bus where Martinez fails a field sobriety test. Inside her the purse, four bottles of
prescribed pills.
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PINSKY: As it turns out, the bus driver mixed her anti-anxiety medication, which is sort benzo valium clash with her pain medication, the
opioid-opiate medication, which is by the way, a common and potentially really dangerous combination. Then she decided to get behind the wheel,
Sam and, of course, our panel got into it.
SCHACHER: Yes, your one sole job is to drive these kids. Carefully.
PINSKY: I -- well, see what the panel had to say. Take a look.
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SCHACHER: So, Dr. Drew, how impaired would somebody not only be taking the muscle relaxers but also anti-anxiety pills?
PINSKY: Well, personally, I would never prescribe those things together except under extreme circumstances. Muscle relaxants, you are
talking about Soma, Robaxin. Anti-anxiety medications, you are typically talking about Benzodiazepine like Valium, Xanax, Ativan.
SCHACHER: Geez.
PINSKY: And, either should not be operating a vehicle. Together, you can lose insight and not know what is going on. You really are so out
of it, Anahita, that you do not realize you are as bad as you are. My question is, is this the patient is fault or the doctor is?
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think arguably it is the patient`s fault, Dr. Drew. She should have known better, but
thankfully no one got hurt. She should not have been hurt knowing that she is on the medication, knowing that there could be these types of side
effects, and she is going to be criminally charges if she has not, but I think it should be a misdemeanor, not a felony.
And, I certainly do not think, Dr. Drew, she should be terminated. I heard the school is thinking of terminating her. I think she needs to
be suspended. Maybe get some more education. But termination --
PINSKY: Hold on. Counselor, I think you are making a moral judgment here. What if it were alcohol or pot? Would then she be terminated?
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I think you have to look at the history. This should not be a felony, number one. But, her history is she has been with
the school for six years, Dr. Drew. She has had no prior instances of misconduct. It is a matter of educating her.
PINSKY: All right, all right. Karamo, you say no?
KARAMO BROWN, #OWNSHOW HOST: I say no definitely and I disagree wholeheartedly. When I heard the story, I was full of rage. You cannot
say that, "Oh, she had six years of not doing anything, so she gets off with a misdemeanor."
They need to throw the book at this woman. Sixty-seven children could have died! Sixty-seven children could have lost their lives! That
is not something to play with here.
PINSKY: That is right. I think Karamo is making a good point, Sam, is that if there had been a catastrophe, we would be having a very
different conversation.
SCHACHER: Oh, yes, she would be facing a whole different onslaught of charges. But, listen, I do have empathy for the fact that she had
six years, the whole time she was unemployed without incidents. However, her sole job is to drive and to drive --
BROWN: Thank you, Sam.
SCHACHER: -- children at that, and to get them from point A to point B safely. So, I am sorry if she was a receptionist or a barista. Then,
yes, she can keep her job. But a bus driver? No.
PINSKY: But, Sam, the physician that prescribed the meds knew, I hope, that he or she prescribing to a bus driver.
(CROSSTALK)
SEDAGHATFAR: Do we know it is from the same physician? Sometimes people go to different doctor.
PINSKY: You are right. If she did not -- you are absolutely right.
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes.
SCHACHER: Is not it on the prescription label every time, do not drive?
PINSKY: Yes. Do not drive.
SEDAGHATFAR: She should have known better.
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EVY POUMPOURAS, LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Yes, I have to say, you know, she is a bus driver. Her job is to drive children. That is your
job. Knowing that, you understand that obviously you are not supposed to be under the influence of any drugs or alcohol and/or prescription
medications.
When you go to a pharmacist, and they give you a prescription medication, they tell you, "Hey, read the label. The sticker is right
there." That is her responsibility. Responsibility to know and I do not care if they give her a felony. They should give her a felony. She should
not drive again. That is a serious, serious, seriously bad choice she made.
PINSKY: Well, now, of course, let us talk about the school district guidelines. All the drivers go through drug screenings before being
hired and subject to at least one random drug test a year and any driver that takes a prescription medication is supposed to inform their supervisor
-- so, again, Anahita, it is unknown if she had done that. Perhaps the supervisor plays a role, here, too.
SEDAGHATFAR: If she told them, yes. But, I think, ultimately, it is her responsibility, but the issue is what should the penalty be? Luckily,
thank goodness, no one was hurt. No children were injured. I think this was just a bad judgment call and she obviously needs more education, Dr.
Drew. She is obviously mentally --
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POUMPOURAS: What if she is flying the plane, Anahita? Would you be saying the same thing? Think of it that way. What if she was
commandeering a plane instead of a bus?
SEDAGHATFAR: Of course. I am not saying she should not be held responsible, like I said, the issue is what is the penalty for her.
BROWN: The penalty should be, she should lose her license and --
SEDAGHATFAR: That is not going to happen.
BROWN: -- she should never work with children and the book thrown at her. These are children is lives. My child on that --
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PINSKY: I think our attorney is -- once our attorney takes a position --
SEDAGHATFAR: But, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: -- she cannot change it I think is what is happening here. You cannot convince he otherwise.
SEDAGHATFAR: But she is suffering from a mental illness.
PINSKY: I do not know that.
SEDAGHATFAR: She is taking anxiety medication!
PINSKY: Well, I have generalized anxiety. Damn it, I have a generalized anxiety disorder.
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SEDAGHATFAR: Is that not a mental disorder --
PINSKY: Well, in our case -- yes, severe mental disorder in our case. But the facts is --
SEDAGHATFAR: I am just --
PINSKY: But the fact is, not major mental illness in the sense of somebody, you know, losing touch with reality. Sam, sometimes I wonder.
SCHACHER: That is true.
PINSKY: Anyway, no. Just -- but the medication, when you take these medicines, you lose insight. You lose insight. I really want to put
some of the blame with the medical practitioners if they did not properly prepare their patient for this, even if she had gotten the prescriptions of
two different doctors, they should be aware of what is going on. The pharmacist should be part of the story, too. I hate blaming the patient in
these situations though I am sympathetic.
SEDAGHATFAR: Thank you.
PINSKY: Well, I hate doing it. I am not saying --
SCHACHER: Come on, she is an adult. She is not like 14. She knows better.
SEDAGHATFAR: The reality is, Dr. Drew, pharmacists rarely ever talk to you about medications that you pick up at the pharmacy. I do not think
I have ever had a pharmacist come to me and say, this medication has this side effect or that side effect.
PINSKY: I am not going to let you criticize my pharmacological colleagues quite that severely, because if you are taking a medication that
is affecting your sensorium, I think somebody will come out from behind the counter and give you a talking to. I am just saying.
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PINSKY: Sam, I stand by that. However, the Twitter verse responded, did not they?
SCHACHER: Oh, yes. We have a number of tweets, Dr. Drew, from Tanisha Jones-Lynch. She writes, "I am sick of these school bus incidents.
Somebody could have gotten hurt. #craziness."
PINSKY: No kidding.
SCHACHER: And then from Stephanie Colon. There is a little hyphen there, you see that little accent. "How did someone not see her out of it
prior to starting to drive?" That is a really good point.
PINSKY: It is a good question and I thought of that. And I wonder if she took it and became intoxicated as the drive was going along.
SCHACHER: There are parents on the bus, eight or nine adults.
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PINSKY: If she was that impaired, she would have been stumbling or slurring or something. By the time she got off the bus, she was that way.
So, she may have taken stuff. Maybe it is the first time she ever taken.
SCHACHER: It says it on the pill. On the container?
PINSKY: It says do not drink and drive typically on the pill.
SCHACHER: Do not operate heavy machinery, do not drive.
PINSKY: The combo is so problematic, the benzodiazepine, the opiates. Guys, if you are into that combo, if somebody prescribes it for
you for a long period of time, please be careful. When patients die, they die of that combo as prescribed. Because they sometimes do not remember
they have taken it, not taken, take a little more and it can be quite serious.
Next up, a high school student gets a birthday present from his teacher. She spanks him in front of the class. And later, the naked
hamburger thieves. I will explain what I am talking, but there they are. Talk about them after this.
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PINSKY: I am back with Sam. And, tonight, we are playing some of the wildest viral videos you have ever seen. And, this next one has all of
us just shaking our heads. A teacher gives birthday spankings to a high school student. Of course, one of the students records this and posts it
online and everybody reacts. Take a look.
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PINSKY: A teacher administers birthday spanks to a male student. He is there lying across her lap in the middle of a busy classroom. The
educator described as a longtime teacher was reprimanded. Before, Mike, you say anything, I am fearful of what you might say. I want to get to
Kirsten.
MIKE CATHERWOOD, CO-HOST "LOVELINE": Come on.
PINSKY: What are saying? I am just saying.
KIRSTEN HAGLUND, FORMER MISS AMERICA: Well, you know, of course, if I had a child and she or he was in this classroom getting spanked, why are
not you learning, why are you getting spanked for your birthday?
DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Right.
PINSKY: You know, when I first read the headline for the story I thought, "oh my Gosh, the kid is getting spanked in school?" But then I
realized that it was a birthday thing. You know, and a punishment should fit the crime. So to speak.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: So, you are cool with it. Kirsten is cool with it. I agree with Kirsten. No, I will support you on that. Mike, what do you say now?
CATHERWOOD: But from a lady`s point of view it does not seem that threatening. It seems kind of innocuous. She was just kind of -- but
you have got to understand. He is a teenage boy pressing his body into his female teacher. Believe me, it was sexualized for him. If that
happened to me, she would get a hole poked right through her leg.
MANETTE: Is not she, like, 100 years old?
HAGLUND: Oh my Gosh.
PINSKY: Hang on. But it is a boundary problem. Mike, listen, let us bring a little of "Loveline" in here, if you do not mind. Are you
prepared to talk about, you know, your perception, you know, what you were lucky enough to have been participating in when you were a young boy and
realizing when a young child is exposed to some of this stuff, it is not good for them.
CATHERWOOD: Well, no it really is not. I mean I certainly was hypersexualized as a kid, far too young. And, I do not mean that as like
a
joke. I mean from the kind of comments I say on the show. I really was exposed to sex probably far too young and it was something I thought I
wanted.
And even things that are not necessarily sexual contact, when you are dealing with a teenage boy, you have to understand you are essentially
dealing with a testosterone-fueled like Cro-Magnon man who is just a vehicle for a boner. That is what a boy is at that age, he is just
constantly thinking about sex.
PINSKY: Right.
CATHERWOOD: So, any type of inappropriate contact, which I do think teacher/student contact like that is, you know, tremendously inappropriate.
Any type of inappropriate contact is going to accelerate that kind of breakdown between intimacy and sexuality.
PINSKY: Right, and -- that is right. The breakdown and body boundaries are being violated. Here again, big people have to take care of
little people. You have to really make issues of body boundaries so people understand those are meant to be respected and kind of inappropriate
teacher/student conduct may be going on for a long time.
But, it may be just now that we are seeing it because everyone holds up a cell phone and gets a picture of it. And so, once again, the
boundaries between public and private are breaking down with mixed results. I think it is a good thing in this result, in this situation.
SCHACHER: We are actually getting a lot of tweets about that.
PINSKY: OK.
CATHERWOOD: Yes, look, look, if Sam needs a birthday spanking, though, do not get me wrong, she is still going to get it.
PINSKY: Thank God she is in New York with her husband.
SCHACHER: Yes, and I will be sure to call you.
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PINSKY: Did you call him, Sam?
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: No.
PINSKY: Just saying. Next up, the viral vegan goes off in front of diners. What is she actually ranting about? And, later, a teacher brings
up a fate with a broom and, of course, students record it all. Back after this.
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KELLY ATLAS, VEGAN: Excuse me, everyone. I have a little girl. She was very abused for her entire life. I can see you laughing. But to her,
this is not funny. I went in there with other humans and I took her out of there. An, if I had not, she would not be with me right now.
Right now, their egg and their milk and their bodies are on plates inside this restaurant, and that is so unfair to them. My little girl`s
name is Snow. And, every time you see someone eating somebody else`s eggs, or somebody else`s body, you are going to remember her name. Please think
of her name every time you see somebody`s body on a plate. Her name is Snow. And, she just wants to live.
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PINSKY: Well, I am back with Sam. And, of course, that woman is rant makes more sense if you realize she is talking about Snow, the
chicken. Was not that her name, Snow?
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Oh, you are sympathetic?
SCHACHER: Yes, I am. I feel bad for the chickens and how they are treated for our consumption.
PINSKY: And she explains to us what she is trying to accomplish. Have a look.
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PINSKY: Let me just be a little polemic for the sake of conversation. And, I think people got a little confused when in your
presentation there, thinking you were speaking about a child, and does that dilute your message?
KELLY ATLAS, VEGAN: If I started talking about a chicken, people simply would not have listened. We are in a culture that devalues chickens
and does not care about what they feel or what they want. So, if I said she was a chicken, people would not have listened. And, I wanted to tell
her story the way she --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: You said she was a girl. And that is just -- again, you are just being dramatic, when you say she is a girl, right? She is not a girl?
ATLAS: Actually, a lot of Americans in the country call their dogs and their cats our little girls and our little boys. They are family to
us.
PINSKY: So, it is a colloquial term for that. OK. But my thing is, that chickens there, they are domesticated animals. I mean your girl would
not survive in my backyard. I have got coyotes all over the place.
You know, and in the restaurant that is our backyard, in nature would have -- it would be difficult for this animal. So, how do we
understand where you sit with this? I do not understand.
ATLAS: So, I certainly do not think that any violence in nature justifies us committing any violence to other animals for other animals, of
course. We hear vegans (INAUDIBLE) activists all the time, but that does not matter. The humans still are humans. We do not think that is OK.
These animals want to live.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: And how do people react to these events? What is the basic feedback you are getting?
ATLAS: The feedback varies. Some people like Glenn Beck and everyone here -- were very hateful, as usual from them. And, other people
are extremely supportive and we are talking about how well, you are right.
If you believe in a world without prejudice, if we think that we should value everyone, and listen to everyone is suffering, no matter what
body they come in, then that has to stop with chickens.
PINSKY: All right, Kelly, thank you for joining us. I want to get my panel into this conversation. Tiffany, you are new to our group. Where
do you stand on all this?
TIFFANY SMITH, HOST/REPORTER: I am fully supportive of free speech. I agree that she should be able to go in and speak her mind, but this is
a private establishment from what it looks like. And, so, the only thing I can really compare it to, is that you go to something like comic-con and
you see the Christian groups outside speaking and yelling fire and brimstone.
And, it feels a little bit like that to me, where if I was in that restaurant and I heard her saying that first, maybe I would be plugged in,
because, you know, I think she may be talking about child labor or something. And, then she turns it into talking about a chicken.
And for me, that kind of pulled me out of it. And I was just like OK, if I was in the restaurant, I would hope that someone, a manager would
have gone up and stopped the conversation from happening.
PINSKY: It is because your rights are being violated to have a quiet meal and eat your burger. Leeann? Your thoughts?
LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Oh, Dr. Drew. The same thing. Look. Everybody -- look, I was vegan for almost five years. So, I
understand that mindset. I was not vegan because I was against eating animals. I was vegan for health reasons. Now I am not anymore.
But everybody has the right to choose how they feed themselves. And if you eat meat, I am OK with that, too. If you are vegan, that is fine.
You know, her message is OK. She has a right to give out that message.
PINSKY: Well, but she is --
TWEEDEN: I do not like the way she did it.
PINSKY: Yes, but she is saying she has a moral obligation to interfere with violence against any biological entity. And I am --
TWEEDEN: Well, she -- her point was annoying. The way she came across it.
(LAUGHTER)
TWEEDEN: And to talk about it as if it was a girl. Because then you are thinking, oh, my God, she is talking about her little girl, her baby.
Her human child.
PINSKY: You feel deceit. Yes.
TWEEDEN: Right. You feel deceit.
PINSKY: I am just thinking, if she is upset about milk, are humans not allowed to share their milk with their babies, too? Where we draw
the line?
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, it is the conditions of the factory farms.
PINSKY: OK.
SCHACHER: The cows, where they literally are breeding the cows to have the babies, so they produce milk, and then they rip the babies away
from the mom, and then the mom is left constantly, for hours, searching for her baby, she is in distress.
PINSKY: Again, Vanessa --
SCHACHER: So there is some sadness there, OK?
BARNETT: Look, I get it. I can understand --
PINSKY: Vanessa, we understand cow. We have sad cows. We have got to make them happy.
VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: This lady was obnoxious, she was ruining people is meals, she was loud, she was borderline belligerent.
Like it was just too much. I do not even do drama like that during my meals. I like a peaceful meal when I am eating my steak.
(LAUGHING)
BARNETT: And she went so far, and -- Can we be super honest right now?
PINSKY: Oh, here we go.
BARNETT: There is no species equality. Chickens and humans are not on the same level. I do not know any chicken with a mortgage, I do not
know any chicken with a car. I do not know any chicken that is trying to make it day- to-day at their job. We are not equals.
And, so, she is not mad about the 13 ants that she stepped on trying to get home last night, so why is she so mad about these chickens? Let me
eat in peace and if I choose to do research on your vegan lifestyle, let me do that. Do not force it on me.
PINSKY: Tiffany, I feel like you are on Vanessa is camp.
SMITH: I mean, I think that there is something to be said. If she is looking at the distress of these animals, if I am in that restaurant, I
am distressed while you are telling me all of this stuff. I mean I did not buy anything she was saying because of the theatricality behind it. It did
not feel genuine to me.
And, I am huge proponent of saying -- OK, if I am going to tell you something, I am going to tell you out of love. It did not feel like there
was any love there. And all of the people behind her, if that is what I look like, when I do not eat chicken -- I am going to keep eating chicken.
(LAUGHTER)
SMITH: Because they looked so bad.
PINSKY: And Sam, you know, there are philosophies out there about protecting life, and I kind of get that, but I do not think she would --
like Vanessa said, would protect insects and might not protect fish and
crawfish. You know what I am saying?
SCHACHER: Well, OK, I think that everybody is looking for a reason to argue here on this, at the end of the day, if you watched the videos,
that I am sure she is watched, if you eye witness accounts of how these animals are grossly mistreated for our consumption before they are killed,
I think that -- believe me, I get the idea that the people in that restaurant felt shame, I get that.
PINSKY: It is industrialization.
SCHACHER: But you have to also put yourself in her shoes. That she is seen so much of it that she probably feels to have a moral obligation to
inform people and it is horrific what these animals go through.
PINSKY: Leeann, what about -- what about the industrialization of meat packing and that sort of thing?
TWEEDEN: Oh, I think it could be better. And you know, I think that Dr. Tempa Grandon (ph) and we all know the movie from HBO, she is autistic
and she is a doctor, but she has an animal husbandry. She created this -- the gates that where the cows have to walk through.
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: And, like 80 percent of the slaughterhouses today actually use her gates because they are more humane. They keep them from being
scared, they keep them from having that real stressful time right before they are killed for -- to go to the slaughterhouse.
PINSKY: All right. We are not -- No one here is interested in animal suffering, that is for sure, Sam.
TWEEDEN: True.
PINSKY: So, we have got your back.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: But we also like chicken, we like hamburgers. I am not sure anyone is going to give up meat. And surprisingly, Ann was a vegan. I
learned that tonight.
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PINSKY: All right. Sam, what did the world say to us?
SCHACHER: OK, let us see, Dr. Drew. We have from Joseph Livingston. He writes, "Why did not the restaurant kick her out? I am vegetarian but I
think this woman is a complete kook." From Miss Shannon. "You can believe how you want. Do not interrupt my meal that I paid my hard earned money
on." I feel like that is the alter ego, that is her other account.
PINSKY: That is what we were looking at, and watch the cow because of what might come out on it.
SCHACHER: Exactly.
PINSKY: But that is sort of the argument, which is my rights are being violated as somebody who is chosen to spend money in this restaurant
versus raising awareness about the industrialization of the food system, right?
SCHACHER: Yes, I agree with you.
PINSKY: Are the two competing points of view?
SCHACHER: Right, I am curious, though, if the reason she close that restaurant and chain is because there is gross mistreatment with
animals, within that farming factory. I wonder if farming, factory farming --
PINSKY: I wonder or she could get a big room with a lot of people. We do not know. But we have something else next. It is these teens called
shovel girls. Yes. They are called the shovel girls, we will show you why, and more of the video behind these nicknames. There they go. And
later, naked guys steal hamburger and bacon while revealing their own butts. That is right.
SCHACHER: Oh, OK.
PINSKY: Well, you should write that one, Sam. I will explain, after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): You have a gun. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Go get it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): It is a bb gun. (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): Go get it.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): Come on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): (yelling)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): What the hell! (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): Ah!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): Oh, my God.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): (crying)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): What the (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: We are back. I am here with Sam. And that video was big on the Internet. Both of those girls, the so called shovel girls, told us
how they managed all this unexpected attention. Take a look.
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PINSKY: So, joining me on the phone now is Miranda. Miranda. She is the girl that was hit with the shovel. Miranda, people are saying this
fight was staged in order to get the viral video. What do you say to that?
MIRANDA, HIT BY SHOVEL: Well, I would say that the fight was not staged at all. I did not have any plans to get hit in the head with a
shovel or any plans of the video to go viral. I did not even have any plans for it to end up on the Internet or go famous as it has been.
PINSKY: Let me ask, I mean -- you know, that is a serious head whack you took. Did you have any post concussive symptoms? Are you OK?
MIRANDA: I still have a concussion right now. And my -- there is blood behind may eardrum and I think I have to have surgery on my ears. As
I think they broke so much. I do not know. Something -- Something.
PINSKY: But are you having -- are you having headaches? And mood disturbances and sleep problems and all of the thing that comes
with getting hit in the head?
MIRANDA: Oh, yeah, definitely.
PINSKY: OK. Sam, you have a question?
SCHACHER: Yeah, Miranda, I was following your tweets. And you are embracing the fame. So, is that your goal from all of this? Did you
just -- you want to become famous?
MIRANDA: That is not my goal to become famous. But I look at it this way. If I cannot laugh with it, then I am just going to be laughed at
and get all depressed and feel bad for myself. When honestly, if -- got hit by the shovel, I do not think that is funny. Well, I might as well
laugh with them. Not at them.
SCHACHER: Fair enough.
PINSKY: Let me bring in Emily now. It is actually the girl there who threw the shovel. Emily, this fight is going on. You guys used to be
friends. Where do you stand now?
EMILY, THREW THE SHOVEL: Well, we are sort of friends for real. We talked on the phone before the show. And we, you know, we just kind of,
like why -- because I got so many death threats over it -- We were like wow, we just need to kind of like cut it out so all that will stop.
Getting so much hate, both of us, our Twitters are getting trashed. It is just unacceptable. I do not like it all.
SCHACHER: Emily, Emily, who posted the video? Did you post the video as well?
EMILY: No, I told them to take it down. And then -- it get taken down too fast, because a bunch people already got it, so it was like way
too late, because it is already been shared, and people already started make fun of us both. And it was just too much .
PINSKY: I hate the fact .
SCHACHER: I hate the fact that you guys are fighting each other.
PINSKY: But I hate the fact that then -- then this gets worst when it gets out on Twitter, and people start threatening Emily with death
threats. And, then people are going to get on Miranda, too, for saying that she staged it. Twitter is a brutal, brutal environment.
SCHACHER: Ladies, stand by for a second. I want to bring the panel back. Anahita that was an assault. Why were not the police involved with
this?
SEDAGHATFAR: Yeah, the police should be involved, Dr. Drew. I think both of them can be charged with a crime in this particular instance.
PINSKY: Back to Emily really quickly. Emily, before we go again, were you aware that you were being filmed?
EMILY: Yeah. I actually was. I have seen the cameras, but I get --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Did you wonder what they were doing? Did you -- and Miranda, did you wonder -- Miranda, Miranda, you wondered what they were
doing? Why the cameras?
MIRANDA: But I did not understand that they were going to post it on Facebook.
PINSKY: All right. Well, they found out the hard way.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: Next up, see how a classroom broom (ph) caused the teacher who also had to learn the hard way to lose her job. And later, a viral
video that had -- female guests forgiving these thieves because well, they just looked so good in their undershorts. We are back after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This vicious fight went down inside a Pershing high school class from last Friday. Two students pounding on each
other. And when the two go to the floor, it looks like one student is going to inflict serious damage on the other.
That is when 31-year-old first year Pershing teacher Tiffany Eaton smacks one of the students on the back with a broom handle, desperately
trying to stop the fight. For her actions with that broom, Eaton was fired.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): My daughter is every bit of 5`2". And her reaction was -- it was just in the best interests of the student.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (2): Now she has no job. She was a good teacher.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Instead, teachers are to call security on a two-way radio. But Davis indicates Eaton is radio was not working.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: Sam and I are back. That is viral video of a high school teacher trying to break up a fight with the broom, but she was the one who
got punished. Not the fighting students. She was fired. And, we had to fight over that. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
VANESSA BARNETT: Do not hit my child with a broom, because I will do the same thing to you. You do not know if you are hitting the attacker or
if you are hitting the kid that is just defending himself. And, what if she hurt the child even more with this random broom that she got out?
SCHACHER: Then that is their fault, Vanessa, for getting in a fight. This was not a normal little scuffle. These two 17-year-olds were going at
it. Desks were flying. This was insane.
BARNETT: But you could not .
SCHACHER: Thank god this teacher intervened.
BARNETT: If they got hurt with a broom that is the wrong thing .
(CROSSTALK)
BARNETT: Yes, if they get hurt with a broom, then I am coming there .
SCHACHER: What else was she supposed to do?
BARNETT: And I am hurting her. Do not hit my kid with a broom.
BRETT ERLICH: Let me jump in here.
PINSKY: Stop ladies? Brett, go ahead.
ERLICH: Is to find out what is appropriate to hit your kids with? Is it a broom? Is it a mop?
(LAUGHTER)
ERLICH: Is it an eraser? Is it a Mr. Clean magic eraser? I think if we agree on something. Because this is a new school that recently got
taken over by an agency that is assigned to come in and fix the problems here and I think that should be one of them.
TWEEDEN: Come on, now.
PINSKY: Leeann. Hang on. Vanessa? Hold on -- Leeann. Strangely - - wait, wait. Strangely, myself and Samantha seem to have adopted many of your attitudes lately, and so we are representing you thus far in this
conversation.
TWEEDEN: That is -- Thank you, guys, for supporting me. I just tell it like it is. A. I think the teacher should get her job back. B. Thank
god she had the balls actually stand in front of the two of them after she hit them with a broom, they stood up and she was caught in the shuffle.
I mean those two kids were almost twice as big as her. OK, none of the other male students in the classroom were even attempting to help her.
One girl was screaming at the top of her lungs. Everybody else had their cell phones out recording it, but not doing anything to help her.
A. I think the school should be held partially responsible, because they provided a system that did not work, just like if their fire alarm
system did not work. They would probably be fined. So, they need to work on that and do better. But, they should reinstate -- and come on, it is
Detroit. I do not think there is a lot of teachers there waiting in line to get a job.
PINSKY: Well, that is .
SCHACHER: My mom was a teacher in inner city Detroit. And, I am telling you, it was rough. And, so I commend this teacher. And, there is
a change.org petition going around trying to reinstate her position and I hope that she gets it. And if she did not do anything at all, I
bet everybody would be outraged with that.
PINSKY: Well, that is my --
(CROSSTALK)
BARNETT: With broom .
PINSKY: Vanessa, Vanessa, hold on. Vanessa -- I want to challenge you with this. What if these kids had really gone out at each other and
one kid got a severe head injury or God forbid, if one died. Then you would be wondering why the teacher did not pick up a broom and hit him --.
SCHACHER: Yes, right.
BARNETT: And, then that is when I would say the school is held responsible. The radio -- like you said, the radio did not work, they did
not provide her with the tool she needed to break up a fight of this magnitude.
But where do we draw the line? Everyone is saying, yes, congratulations you used this broom. But last night we were condemning
shovel girl because she got hit in the head with a shovel. Where do you draw the line?
PINSKY: Hold on. Hold on.
ERLICH: She should definitely .
PINSKY: I draw the line .
ERLICH: Go for it, Doctor.
PINSKY: Go ahead, Brett, finish. Last thought, Brett. Then I am going to draw the line. Brett, go ahead.
ERLICH: She should not have used the broom. Everyone knows this. But every second in a fight like that probably to her seemed like an
eternity. And, she did not jump right in.
SCHACHER: Exactly. And these were big guys.
PINSKY: Right. That is right.
SCHACHER: Punching each other really hard. That was not like .
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: I think she should have .
ERLICH: After she hit them, the guys just bounced right back up and punched the guy who got hit in the back.
PINSKY: Maybe if she had taken two of those chalk erasers. You boy cut that out and just slam those erasers together.
SCHACHER: You really thought about that.
(LAUGHING)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: And Sam, there is an update on this story. The erasers, you do not think would have worked?
SCHACHER: No, I do not think they would have worked, Dr. Drew. Are you kidding me? Maybe gave them asthma.
PINSKY: I am kidding you. I am kidding you. Yes.
SCHACHER: OK. Thank God. Well, after we aired this story, the school relooked at the incident and they did reinstate the teacher.
PINSKY: Oh!
SCHACHER: Thank God.
PINSKY: Hallelujah! Thank .
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Well, maybe something good out of viral videos and social media. Thankfully.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: All right, let us move on to our next story, a girl riding a train in Canada seems to be possessed. And then attacks another passenger.
This video is raw, it is unverified. And, it was uploaded to Facebook. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): Whoa! Whoa! Chill, chill, chill! Chill. Whoa! (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): Hey, hey, hey! She is probably possessed. (EXPLETIVE DELETED). No, she is probably .
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (3): Hey!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (4): Oh, my God.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Jason, do you believe that that is real or fake?
JASON ELLIS, SIRIUSXM RADIO HOST: I believe it is real.
PINSKY: Yeah, me too.
JASON: I believe that she is, that video is actually, she looks very normal right before the transformation. I believe there is some kind
of demon that actually enters her body.
(LAUGHING)
JASON: And I do not really care about, I do not want her in my metal band or I do not want to start a cigarette company with her.
SCHACHER: Right.
JASON: Because the demon that is in her, I definitely think that it will be a great band, and I look forward to.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Yeah, we have got some Australian folk anthropology playing out here. Tiffany, help us with this. What do you think this is?
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST/HLN CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I actually thought that it was kind of fake. At the beginning of the
video, what she did not show here-- she is just randomly looking through her purse, and I do that when I am on the subway. I will probably do that
on my way home tonight. It is what people do. And then you see this turn of her kind of getting that demonic possessed look.
So, my question is, if this is fake, like what is- or if it is real, what was the point of even taping it at the beginning? It is the kind of
thing that you would tape starting in the middle, kind of where we press play here. If it is real, like, what was the point of even taping her,
looking through her purse? --
PINSKY: Maybe .
(CROSSTALK)
SCHACHER: Tiffanie .
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Let us make note of what Jason just said.
SCHACHER: What made you say? What?
PINSKY: The demon was in her purse.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: The demon came out from the purse.
JASON: Then she got possessed.
PINSKY: OK. Well, let us go back to .
SCHACHER: Tiffanie, I agree with you. When I first saw it, I thought that was the case like why did -- the bystander just start filming
her randomly? However, there is another video that has surfaced of that same bystander who put it -- the video prior .
PINSKY: Earlier. There it is.
SCHACHER: And, she was demonstrating some really weird behavior right before -- and that is why he started filming. So, that is when I
changed my mind and thought maybe this was real. So, what would make somebody act that way, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: It is what we call, Judy, bear me up on this, it is what we call a psychotic disorder.
JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes.
PINSKY: It could be drugs. It could be methamphetamine even. It could be a bipolar episode, but probably a schizophrenic episode, or severe
psychosis.
HO: Scary.
PINSKY: Where people are seeing things, and they are out of -- they really have no idea where they are, what is going on. And imagine you were
-- The way I try to explain it, people, is like imagine you were in a dream and you were dreaming. But you were walking through a reality and
responding to things that were in your dream.
HO: Exactly, right.
PINSKY: That is the way a schizophrenic is trying to manage reality. And they can look and seem possessed. They can seem very bizarre.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: Judy, anything else to add to that?
HO: That is absolutely what I see here. And you see this. She is in a delirious state.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: And I see the tough -- hallucinations, too. Do you see them in the beginning? The front video where she is like batting at something on
her hair and battling something on her skin.
And, so you can see it actually leading up to that aggressive moment. I actually believe that it is probably a combination of schizophrenia and
probably some drugs induced .
PINSKY: Yeah, the tactile hallucinations called formication for the Latin word for ants. There is like -- So. All right, well, there you go.
That is where .
JASON: No one was going for the demon in the purse, huh?
PINSKY: Well, I appreciate.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Jason, I -- it will make a good movie. I appreciate the color -- the color commentary, but I think it is somebody with a real
serious mental illness. And, the fact is, these things get better with medication. It is difficult, however, to get schizophrenics sometime to
take their medication. And, both those folks in the video were fined $500 for fighting and then released.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: Next up, thieves steal dozens of hamburgers while in their underpants. You will see it and I remind you, you can find us anytime on
Instagram @DrDrewhln. I will be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: They were just a bunch of drunk guys having a good time. That is going to land them in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Lou Bangert of Doc is Beach House was at home on Sunday when his kitchen staff called him and asked him to check
the restaurant is security footage from overnight.
LOU BANGERT, DOC`S BEACH HOUSE`S GENERAL MANAGER: I see the door opened, and three guys come in. And, I go, "Oh, my God these guys do not
have any clothes on."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: That is right, no clothes. Besides one thief wearing a pair of underwear, the three burglars did not have a stitch
of clothing between them. Bangert says they broke in a little after 3:00 A.M. on Sunday and stayed about five minutes.
BANGERT: They took three cases of hamburgers, three red peppers, and some bacon.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: They seem to be laughing and having a very good time while they were committing a felony crime.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Back with Sam. The three men were caught on camera stealing more than 60 hamburgers. What do you think, Sam? Was it worth it for
them?
SCHACHER: I -- I kind of like think it now that I am rewatching, a hazing. Maybe for a fraternity.
PINSKY: Maybe, maybe. They have to run and get some hamburgers for the whole fraternity.
(LAUGHTER)
PINSKY: Some of my guests, some of my guests gave all the same -- I wanted to go there just yet tonight. She -- they gave these guys a pass
because, well, they are just so damn good looking, according to them. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Really, we are going to excuse criminal behavior based on how somebody looks?
DANIELLE ROBAY, T.V. HOST: First of all, Dr. Drew, I like how they looked. They looked like student athletes. Second of all .
PINSKY: Do you want us to forego the crime? Let them go? Just have a date with them? Or maybe that is the way you kind of -- what would that
be? Coerce them? You know what I am saying?
ROBAY: So funny. I mean when I was in college, guys did a lot of things for fresh meat but this is definitely extreme.
PINSKY: Oh, my God.
ROBAY: I mean, the funniest part is they left a trail of red peppers a hundred yards from the restaurants. They are like the Hansel and Gretel
burglars. I mean it is hilarious.
PINSKY: Sam?
SCHACHER: Yes. They are like real life hamburglars. I love it. I think it is hilarious. Do I think that they should have to suffer
the consequences? Absolutely. But I think this was some sort of a dare.
I mean the fact that they are naked and they stole 60 hamburgers. It seem like they are going to go take those hamburgers to some sort of a
house party. So, I think, though, it is just college shenanigans.
PINSKY: Spirit, here is what bugs me? Is that these guys get a pass because they are Caucasian surfer dudes and they look like they are having
a good time. Think about -- Let us just paint the picture of some other profile going in there at night. All of a sudden, it is a serious
crime now.
SPIRIT CLANTON, PSYCHOTHERAPIST/T.V. HOST: You know, let me kiss you on that, Dr. Drew. Because I am sitting over here mortified.
PINSKY: Yes.
CLANTON: You know, and I am losing faith in my millennials, really. The fact that we could think that this is cute. And then, you know, a
few weeks ago we had the handsome guy who just got the modeling contract because he looks so good. Never mind that he is a criminal.
This is the same state where we had a child lose his life who was fully clothed, mind you, who paid for his meal. But here we are talking
about college kids who broke and entered. And because they have nice bodies and they are college guys, oh, it is cute. I want to date them.
Get real. This is serious, and it is disgusting.
PINSKY: Evy, do you agree with that?
CLANTON: I am offended.
PINSKY: Yes. Evy?
POUMPOURAS: Look, you know me, equal justice for equal crime for everybody. So, should they be penalized? Yes. And I do agree with you.
If you change the profile somewhat and maybe we change the color of their skin, we change their clothing, we change certain things -- maybe we
would be a little bit more judgmental. So I agree with Spirit on that one.
CLANTON: Maybe?
PINSKY: Right. It is more than maybe, Spirit. I agree with you. I think we have to like check ourselves always. And we react -- but
Danielle, you want to defend yourself.
ROBAY: No, Dr. Drew, I did not think about that. And I think changing the profile does change it a little bit. However, they never
went into the restaurant. They were never going to steal money. They were strictly in the kitchen. This is clearly a prank. They were drunk.
CLANTON: They were never in the restaurant? What do you mean they never went into the restaurant? They broke into the restaurant. This is
breaking and entering.
SCHACHER: Of course. And they should suffer the consequences. But come on guys. Like -- in comparison to all the other stories we cover?
Could we have one kind of light story? I think we are blowing it a little bit out of proportion.
(CROSSTALK)
BARNETT: I am going to tell you. No, I am going to blow it out of proportion.
SCHACHER: OK.
CLANTON: I am sorry. Because as a black woman, if that was three black males that were walking around in their boxer shorts.
SCHACHER: I get that. I --
CLANTON: Or this was -- or let us talk socioeconomics. If this was three homeless men who live in that area. It is not funny.
SCHACHER: I said they should suffer the consequences. But I am sorry. I do not think it was that big of a deal.
PINSKY: Evy, Evy, settle this for me.
POUMPOURAS: Look, I agree with both. It is nice to have a nice laugh because we have all these serious stories we cover. But at the end
of the day on a serious note, I agree with Spirit. I really do.
PINSKY: I do too. And guilty as charged, too, by the way. I first giggled at this thing when I first saw it. And I understand Sam
and Danielle is point of view. But you got to think about these things. You have got to think about it. When you do that, you check yourself.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: There you go, Sam. That is our show. Viral videos. Thanks for joining me.
SCHACHER: Thanks for having me.
PINSKY: You can DVR us and watch us anytime. And "Forensic File" begins right now.
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