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Funeral For Officer Killed In Ambush; Tracing Sony Hack Forensic Trail

Aired December 27, 2014 - 12:00   ET

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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello. I'm Martin Savidge in for Fredricka Whitfield. We have been following now the funeral for New York City Police Officer Rafael Ramos. As tens of thousands of police officers have been crowding the streets of New York and bid farewell to their fallen brother, NYPD Officer Rafael Ramos. He and his partner, Officer Weinjin Liu were ambushed and killed as they sat in their patrol car in New York where we could go today.

Well then 25,000 police officers from around the country and Canada turned out to say goodbye and pay their respects. Police Commissioner Bill Bratton and Vice President Joe Biden were among those who spoke at the service this morning.

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JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I'm sure I speak to the whole nation, Mauricia, when I say to you that our hearts ache for you. I know from personal experience that there is little anyone can say or do at this moment to ease the pain, that sense of loss, that sense of loneliness.

But I do hope you take some solace in the fact that as reported by the presses over 25,000 -- 25,000 members of the same fraternity and sorority as your husband who stand and will stand with you the rest of your life, and they will. It is an uncommon fraternity.

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SAVIDGE: And echoing an incident last week, some police officers turned their backs while standing outside the church, as New York Mayor Bill De Blasio spoke, expressing their frustration with how the mayor they believe has answered anti-police protests in the city.

CNN's Miguel Marquez and Rosa Flores are in Queens where this funeral is taking place, where it was held. Rosa, you're along the procession route, so what are you seeing now?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Martin. And what you're taking a look at right now is the beginning of this procession. We're looking at NYPD officers in their motorcycles, leading the way, leading the pack to the cemetery this morning.

I can tell you that hearts are very heavy and there are a lot of police officers from around the country and Canada. I've talked to a lot of them. They feel a duty to be here in solidarity, with Officer Ramos and with his family.

They tell me that first and foremost, police officers are human beings. They have families that they always hope to go back to at the end of the day. But as we take a look at this, we should talk a little about Officer Rafael Ramos, 40 years old, a husband and a father of two.

His wife, Teresa, his sons, Justin and Jake, and a man that we hear was a man of God, a man of faith. He took the streets of New York in his duty as a police officer, as a way to give back to his community.

He used to help people in his church, that he would help mothers with carriages, the elderly to seek into church. So he was very, very active in the community. And again, you're taking a look at the beginning of the procession of the funeral for Officer Rafael Ramos -- Martin.

SAVIDGE: Rosa Flores, thank you very much. As we look at this just incredible scene of all of those police motorcycles, their lights flashing, the rumble as they go by, just the start of the procession that leads. Let's listen.

FLORES: Yes, again. All of these police officers leading the way for Officer Ramos. You know, this will be --

SAVIDGE: Again, looking at the scene of the motorcycle procession that precedes the casket of Officer Rafael Ramos and just noting how many different communities, you can see the names stamped on the front of most of those motorcycles.

Coming from all over to be a part of this, just a part of the contingent of some 25,000 or more police officers from the United States and Canada and beyond, who are there to pay their respects to the deaths of two New York City police officers.

This, remember, is a funeral for one, Officer Ramos. There was also Officer Wenjien Liu. Those funeral arrangements have not been finalized as yet. Both men were remembered today in a very moving service, but, again, the procession just goes on and on.

Now I want to turn to Tom Fuentes and Jeff Gardere. I was with both of you, Gentlemen, talking last weekend when news of this terrible tragedy broke.

Tom, it's amazing to see how the brotherhood, sisterhood of those in law enforcement feel that it's so important they be present. Why is it that they need to be present for this moment?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Because, Martin, they want to show that they're family. They want to show that, you know, that the occupation of being a law enforcement officer is so, it involves you and your family and the people you work with and the people that do the same job, all over the country, all over the world.

And it is a brotherhood and sisterhood that's just hard to describe if you're not in it. I thought that the vice president really struck the right tone and hit it positively when he said, it's not what you do, it's who you are.

And anybody that's been in law enforcement, at any level, federal, state, local, city, knows that for you and your entire family, it's not a job, it's an entire way of life, and it's a way of life you live every day of the year.

You miss holidays. You miss birthdays, graduations of your children and other family members, even weddings. You know, that there's so many things that you miss because you're serving. And you're on duty. And you really have to be in the profession to really feel it and I think the vice president was exactly right.

SAVIDGE: Jeff, you counseled the New York Police Department officers before. You've given them training on stress reduction. What kind of psychological impact do these events have on officers on the street?

JEFF GARDERE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Tom is absolutely correct. I was honored to be asked to do a one-time training with the NYPD on how do they take care of themselves? How do they take care of their relationships at home? And it is these types of situations that remind us and remind them, specifically, each and every day, that they have the hardest job in the world.

Bill Bratton was absolutely correct. So much is offered to members of the NYPD and police in general, as far as benefits and a way of life and excitement, but so much is asked of them. And today, what we saw was one of those situations where everything had to be given back. A life had to be given.

Two lives, in fact, as we know. And so, we see these are the things that are the major stressors in being a police officer. One, having to face life and death challenges, their own, and of course, not, perhaps, having the sympathy or understanding of the general community, as to how difficult, how difficult their job truly is.

So, therefore, they rely on one another, and why we see the fraternity of policemen and women.

SAVIDGE: And because of what you described, Jeff, does that mean that the mourning, the grieving of police is perhaps somewhat different than for the rest of us?

GARDERE: I think it's very different for them. Of course, when we lose a life, we all grieve together. There's no major change in that. But only are the police officers and those affiliated with them, their family members and so on, truly understand the sacrifice that ultimately sometimes that they have to make.

They don't want that day to happen, but when it happens, it happens in a very, very tragic way. And to be assassinated in the way that these two police officers were. That shooter didn't even know who these individuals were.

They were slaughtered in this way. It makes it that much harder to grieve for that person, who puts their life on the line, each and every day.

SAVIDGE: Vice President Joe Biden, as Tom Fuentes mentioned, had some very powerful things to say inside of the church. Let's listen.

All right, I'm sorry, we don't have that sound. There you see the vice president now, as he is standing outside. He's talking to former mayor, Rudy Giuliani, there, a collection of leaders past and present that have come to pay their respects.

You saw that Mayor Bill De Blasio also delivered the eulogy inside of that church. And then there was the reaction from some law enforcement outside as they turned their backs on the mayor.

That, in part, a sign of disrespect, to show the displeasure that the department have, some have, over what they believe is the lack of the mayor having their back, when it comes to police work and tensions that are within the community.

We continue to follow, now, this service that is taking place for Officer Ramos, the procession will now make its way to the cemetery. Miguel Marquez, are you still there and can you hear me and just describe some of what you're seeing from where you are?

MARQUEZ: I am here. I am here with you, there, Marty. We are seeing a very long line of police vehicles now, following what was a just shocking, unbelievable number of motorcycles. It must have been about 400 motorcycles. I lost count at about 150 as I was doing the live shot, to hear that rumble all the way down.

The vice president is actually coming by here again, our position. I have seen him twice today. I see the vice president everywhere I go, all of a sudden. He's coming back, leaving the church here shortly. The procession has started its way down, a very, very somber drum core from the NYPD.

This is the ceremonial unit of NYPD that is on hand here, in all the full ceremonial regalia and they have, after the motorcycles, they then went down the processional route, to see that and hear and feel the thunder of 12 helicopters flying above 200 feet over the processional route as well.

It's an incredibly impressive day and if you can look, if you can look out across here, just to see the number of police officers in those blue hats. This has been sort of my view all day and the number of them here, who are watching, in support.

They know how important it is for each and every one of them to be here today. It is an impressive sight to see. I've never seen anything like it. Typically, they have the bag pipes play.

Today, they had two trumpets, who first, they played "Taps" and then "America the Beautiful." and it was very, very moving. That was the only thing you could hear around here. It's a very densely populated area of Queens.

There are a lot of people out here. Thousands of people out here, as the trumpets are right across the way here were crystal clear. And we believe the vice president may be coming along here shortly, at least his entourage has started to exit.

He may have gone with others to the grave site. We did not hear from a lot of the family in the funeral itself, so I'm guessing that they will have a more personal moment at the grave site coming up --Martin.

SAVIDGE: And what you're looking at now is the beginning of the foot procession, the honor guard that Miguel was making reference to. You see the colors, the flags, that will lead that procession, and behind that will be the bagpipes and the drums.

If you've never heard this, it is quite a very powerful presentation and an ultimate show of respect and regard for the fallen officers. And you see that on both sides of this procession, it is lined with borders of blue.

And these are men and women who have come from across the country in salute now. Their hands covered with white gloves, as they pay their respects. So let's listen.

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MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO, NEW YORK: Our hearts are aching today. I feel it physically, feel it deeply. New York City has lost a hero, a remarkable man because of the depth of his commitment to all around him. Upon behalf of all 8.4 million New Yorkers, on behalf of all of us, I extend my condolences to Justin and Jayden, to Julia, to Cindy, to the entire family, the wonderful, beautiful extended family that we've all come to know in these days and to all their friends, all who love them.

I extend my condolences to another family, the family of the NYPD that is hurting so deeply right now. Men and women feeling this loss so personally, so deeply, as their families feel the loss as well. And I want to thank the officers, the law enforcement officers from all over this nation who have come here to honor Officer Ramos.

I especially want to thank the family of Officer Liu, who are here in solidarity and in shared grief. Two families we will remember together, always.

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SAVIDGE: It has been an extremely painful week in New York, as they mourn the loss of two New York police officers who were gunned down last weekend as they sat in their patrol car. That was New York Mayor Bill De Blasio.

It's been a tough week for him as well, as this tragedy has exposed to the nation a very deep divide between himself and the police force, which he oversees is.

Retired New York Detective Harry Houck joins me again. We were speaking to each other shortly last weekend after this tragedy occurred. Harry, thank you for being with me again. Let me get your thoughts on watching this somber ceremony as it took place today.

HARRY HOUCK, HOUCKCONSULTING.COM (via telephone): Well, it's heartbreaking to watch with the family. You know, I've attended many of these funerals, and to me, the worst part for me is watching the family accept the flag, as his family did.

You can see where his wife was clutching it, not wanting it to go further away from her. That is probably one of the hardest parts of a funeral like this, watching what the family is going through. And I can only imagine what they're going through.

I mean, I can feel the pain I'm feeling when I'm sitting there and I'm watching her. And I can only imagine the pain that she's going through. And she's got to be so thankful that some of the officers from all over the country and from Canada have come down there to show respect to this officer.

And the other officer in unity of this, of the New York City Police Department and all police departments around the world, that we are a brotherhood and that will always be there for each other.

SAVIDGE: I agree with you, that watching that handing over the flag is extremely emotional and was a very difficult moment to watch. It's almost like you're eavesdropping on a family's grief at that particular moment.

But there was also that other moment, of course, when the mayor was speaking, that we saw some of the officers outside turn their backs, similar to what we saw the night in which the officers were murdered, and the mayor had gone to the hospital to talk to the families. Is that the right show of disrespect at a time like this, Harry?

HOUCK: Well, you know, I don't think there should be any disrespect toward the mayor on a day like today. I think that, you know, we should all act accordingly, just to show respect out of the officer that's being buried today. I think all that stuff should be left aside until these officers are buried and then from there, we'll continue the conversation.

SAVIDGE: And how should that conversation continue, once the funerals are complete?

HOUCK: Well, you know, the mayor gave a very nice eulogy today. You know, so I'm pretty happy with that. But, you know, talk is cheap. Let's see how the mayor reacts now after this is over. Let's see if he reaches out to the police department further.

Let's just see if this is just something he's doing because the officers are now being buried. You know, time will tell, and his actions will tell me whether or not he's going to allow both the police department to heal and if it's going to come closer.

SAVIDGE: There have been some, and you have heard them ask for a public apology from the mayor. Are you one of those? HOUCK: Yes, I asked for that the first time I was on. I mean, I think he should definitely give a public apology to the city and especially to the police department. And I think that will be the first step in healing the, the rift between the police department and the mayor himself.

SAVIDGE: And there have been some protests that have continued, despite the mayor asking for them to at least take a break. Were you surprised by that?

HOUCK: Well, I'll tell you, I'm glad that the mayor, you know, did speak about that and tell people that they should stop protesting until after the funerals, but then you've got that certain percentage of people on the fringe on the left.

That they're going to do it anyway, because they have no feelings about what's really happening to these police officers. They care about their own opinions. And that is it and have no respect for the police.

SAVIDGE: That is retired police detective, Harry Houck from the New York Police Department. Harry, our condolences to the loss to your department over the murder of these two officers. Thank you for joining us.

We're going to take a break. We'll be back with more in a moment.

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SAVIDGE: We're continuing to watch live pictures now from Queens, New York. That's where funeral services for Officer Rafael Ramos took place in a sea of blue. More than 25,000 police officers from around the country said goodbye to one of their own. New York's police commissioner spoke at the service.

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COMMISSIONER BILL BRATTON, NEW YORK CITY POLICE: We know who we are. The men and women who wear that blue and wear that badge because we know who Rafael Ramos was. He was a father. He was a son, a brother, and a husband. He was a New Yorker. He was a New York City police officer, and he was, he is, a hero.

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SAVIDGE: The casket is now being taken to the cemetery. And as that procession continues, we are joined by former New York Congressman Vito Fossella Jr. Congressman, thank you for joining us on this very sorrowful day. Much has been said about healing, and specifically in the city of New York. So how does the city heal?

VITO FOSSELLA JR., FORMER NEW YORK CONGRESSMAN: Well, I think in this tragedy, and it's a tragedy not just for the Ramos family, I think it's a tragedy for all of New York City, and by extension, the country, because an attack on a police officer is not just an attack on an individual. It's an attack on free society and all folks who want a law-abiding community, who want innocent people to be protected and they're protected by the brave men and women in the police department in New York and throughout the country.

It's also a crisis to a degree because there is a, I think, a terrible breach right now between and among the police department and the mayor's office and other folks in leadership.

I think and I hope that many cooler heads will prevail and come together in this time of crisis, to seek a common ground that all sides understand where everybody should be going and that people want to be in a safe community, they want their families to be safe.

Whether you're in Manhattan, as I say, or Minnesota, for that matter, people want the same fundamental things. And I would hope that the leadership, whether it be the mayor, all the way up to the president of the United States, would understand that this crisis, these deaths, this tragedy, these executions, should be a foundation for positive good and a positive force for all people throughout this city.

SAVIDGE: And, so, the next step, as far as the mayor and the police force, which he overseas, bringing them together or trying to bridge this divide we talk about. How should that be done? And I'm not saying it's all the mayor's fault?

FOSSELLA JR.: Nor am I. I think in times of this, you have fringes who just speak without understanding the consequences of what they're saying. And there are real consequences and we see it today in this funeral.

There are real consequences to the hot rhetoric and when things get out of control. So I think, since -- in fairness, since the mayor is the leader of this city, that he should surround himself, perhaps, with people who understand where the police officers and others who are concerned about these protests that just seem to get out of control from time to time, the notion that an individual can target police officers.

We had a report, read a report earlier today that the company, JetBlue, flying police officers -- whether it's true or not, I don't know, but they think may blow up the plane. So it takes a high degree of understanding.

And I think if the mayor started walking down the line to meet police officers, meet the heads of the unions, let's say, and have a real genuine conversation and begin the process to sort of say, how are you going to make this thing better.

If the reforms are necessary, so be it. But we cannot live in a city where there is such a breach between the police department and the mayor because who will ultimately suffer is -- are the people, the innocent people of this city and the millions who come here.

And I can tell you from personal experience, I know many police officers retired, active, they are willing to give their life for people every day. And in this case, it happened, and I just don't want to see another police officer die in the line of duty for no unjust reason.

SAVIDGE: And I would bet that no one does, including all of us. Congressman Vito Fossella, former congressman from New York, thank you very much for joining us. We'll be right back.

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SAVIDGE: Now a quick check of other stories that are making news today. North Korean leaders are less than pleased that some U.S. theaters are playing the movie, "The Interview." Sony Pictures suspended the movie's release, but later showed it through independent cinemas.

The movie is about an assassination plot against North Korean President Kim Jong-Un. The North Korean government claims President Obama is the chief culprit who forced the distribution of the movie. And in a statement, says, "Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds, like a monkey in a tropical forest," unquote.

The FBI has blamed North Korea for a cyberattack that took place against Sony. But there is increasing doubt that the hackers working for North Korea were really responsible for the Sony hack. So, if they didn't do it, who did? CNN's Brian Todd investigates.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The forensic trail of the Sony hack, it's mysterious, difficult to follow, and now is sparking increasing doubt over the FBI's belief that hackers working for North Korea are responsible.

SAM GLINES, NORSE CORPORATION: It's clear to us, based on both forensic and other evidence that we've collected that unequivocally, they are not response for orchestrating or initiating the attack on Sony.

TODD: Sam Glines of cybersecurity firm, Norse, did its own investigation of the Sony hack. Norse and another leading security firm called "Cloud Flare" raised serious questions the FBI's claim that the malware used in the Sony attack is similar to malware used in other attacks by North Korea.

These firms say that malware was leaked a long time ago, and could have been used by hackers anywhere in the world. Previously, U.S. investigators said they had evidence hackers stole the computer credentials of a Sony insider.

But Norse believes it was given out and they tracked the hack to one potential suspect, a woman code named Lina, a former Sony employee who Glines says worked for Sony for several years.

Glines says Lina has ties to the hacking group "Guardians of Peace," which claimed responsibility for the Sony hit. Glines says Lina was a security staffer with Sony, who had what he calls super user access to the company's cybersecrets, user names and passwords to critical systems. He says Lina had two motives for the hack.

GLINES: First of all, how Sony treated its employees, layoffs that were going on in the department, but also, a bigger issue around piracy and how Sony was treating those, who had pirated music and movies and other content, and how they had been prosecuted in the U.S., other countries.

TODD: Experts have lingering doubts about North Korea's ability to carry out such a sophisticated attack.

SCOTT BORG, U.S. CYBER CONSEQUENCES UNIT: This is beyond the skill level that we've been able to observe.

TODD: But if North Korea did commit the Sony hack, analysts say it would have been done by a shadowy unit of the government called the "Reconnaissance General Bureau," which they say conductS cyberwarfare. It's commanded by General Kim Jong-Chul, a very influential former bodyguard for Kim Jong-Un's father and grandfather.

MICHAEL MADDEN, NK LEADERSHIP WATCH: So they have someone who's an intimate to the Kim family, who's also a very effective manager, supervising this. And that shows the importance that North Korea's national security apparatus places on electronic and cyber capabilities.

TODD: North Korea has emphatically denied hacking Sony.

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TODD: As for the tracking of the hack to a former Sony employee named Lina, Sam Glines of Norse Corporation says his firm has shared that information with the FBI.

We reached out to the FBI and to Sony regarding the findings on Lina and asked the FBI for comment on the overall doubt that North Korea did this. Neither the FBI nor Sony would comment on any of it. Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

SAVIDGE: At today's funeral for Officer Ramos, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo paid respect and tribute to a force known as New York's finest.

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GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO, NEW YORK: To the NYPD family, who lost two brothers, I would say you are a force of true professionals, who protect our people with the highest level of skill and dedication. You are New York's finest and you are probably the finest nationwide.

The NYPD has done an especially extraordinary job these past few weeks. I watched on television the scenes of people hurling physical objects and verbal insults at the NYPD, and I, frankly, was amazed at the discipline and professionalism that the NYPD demonstrated.

The NYPD protected the right of freedom of speech, even though they, themselves, were the target of false and abusive chance and tirades by some. What a beautiful testament to their professionalism.

To the NYPD -- and we want every NYPD officer to know that they were not alone. When the NYPD stood in formation, every New Yorker stood with them and every New Yorker stands with you today.

SAVIDGE: New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. We're watching live pictures now from Queens, New York. That's where the funeral services for Officer Rafael Ramos took place at Christ Tabernacle Church.

Miguel Marquez is outside of that church in Queens, where the funeral happened. And Miguel, what are you hearing from the people outside now?

MARQUEZ: Well, it's starting to clear out. We have part of the Cortez coming back up to the area where they just marched down to, to deliver the casket to the cemetery. Now they're back here and starting to break up. We're seeing police forces from across the country here, starting to leave.

Members of the police force getting together, chatting, and having informal discussions about everything under the sun. Also seeing a lot of individuals from the fire department here, clearly, this was something that brought people out from the entire city, you know, to underscore the point, just how much support they have for the two officers who died.

This is the first of two funerals, a very difficult time for the city and for the mayor here, who spoke to the families of Officer Ramos, saying that he is offered his heartfelt apology for all 8.4 million New Yorkers.

I am absolutely positive that some of those New Yorkers are not going to be happy with the mayor's comments. We have to see where all of these goes. There are protests later this afternoon for another part of New York, regarding police brutality.

We will have to see what the next chapter is in this very difficult and intense situation -- Martin.

SAVIDGE: And of course, the church here outside is also where the wake was held yesterday, and you were there as well then. The lines seem to be exceedingly long, for those who want to pay their respects.

MARQUEZ: Enormous lines to say good-bye to Officer Ramos. They started forming about two or three hours before the doors actually opened. By the time they did, there were several hundred, maybe thousands.

I couldn't see how far it snaked back, actually, all the way down Cypress Hills Avenue or street. And, that wake went on from 2:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. and then there was a pre-scheduled mass from 7:00 to 9:00, they turned that into memorial mass for Officer Ramos.

So it took much of the day or the evening last night, for the wake and then this funeral today, with the realization that all of this will have to happen again in the coming days -- Martin. SAVIDGE: Miguel Marquez, thank you very much for your reporting there.

The tributes are pouring in for the fallen officers on social media. A look at the online memorial, just ahead.

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SAVIDGE: People all around the world watched this morning's funeral service for NYPD Officer Rafael Ramos and tributes are pouring in on social media. Nick Valencia joins me now for a look at how both of the ambushed officers are being honored -- Nick.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Martin, we've been hearing from you, the viewers, all morning long, throughout the afternoon, your reaction to the funeral of Rafael Ramos, the fallen NYPD officers, and the views have varied.

We'll start with Phillip Floyd, who started with an existential question, asking, who's worse? The cop killer or the killer cops? We must condemn the cop killers and killer cops alike.

On Instagram, a user going with a much more respectful tone saying, "Paying respect to my brothers who are now resting in peace, #nypd." These are flowers and candles at the memorial where Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were gunned down last Saturday.

This tweet here from Mr. Integrity saying, it is an insult for New York Mayor De Blasio to speak at Ramos' funeral, RIP Police Officer Ramos #bluelivesmatter.

Of course, you saw some of those officers in attendance, turning their back towards the New York mayor. And the last coming from Sam Rodriguez saying -- this is a tweet in Portuguese saying, may God give strength and fortitude to the family of Rafael Ramos #nycpray.

If you want to join the conversation at home, tweet us, tweet Martin Savidge or myself here at cnnvalencia using #nycpray and #nypdofficers and #bluelivesmatter, and we'll try to get some of your tweets and comments on the air -- Martin.

SAVIDGE: Great, thank you very much, Nick Valencia.

In other news, gamers were going nuts on Christmas day when PlayStation and Xbox networks went down. It's the latest cyberattack. We'll tell you how they're faring, next.

First, though, Fareed Zakaria with a special look at President Obama's special initiative that examines the human brain.

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FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST, "FAREED ZAKARIA GPS": President Obama announced the brain initiative in 2013. It's an effort to show how the brain's neural circuits work together in realtime.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: It won't be easy, but think about what we could do once we do crack this code.

ZAKARIA: Is it more difficult to map the brain than it was to map the human genome, which took about, initially, 10 or 15 years?

MICHIO KAKU, PHYSICS PROFESSOR, CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK: It will take a lot of time. Realize that the human genome project only talked about maybe 20,000 genes or so that govern the human body. The brain has 100 billion neurons. Each neuron connected to 10,000 other neurons.

That's as many stars as there are in the Milky Way galaxy. And it will take time.

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SAVIDGE: More than 25,000 police officers turned out today for the funeral of Officer Ramos. Let me bring in HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson, as well as Jeff Gardere, psychologist and professor of behavioral medicine.

And Jeff, you've counseled NYPD officers before and gave them training on stress reduction. What is the impact that these officers are going through because now they go back on the street and pick up patrol.

GARDERE: That's right. Well, they have been severely impacted by this. This is their brother or brothers who were killed and therefore this hits them in a way that only they can understand.

And for them, they translate that as being not just an assault on these other officers, but an assault on who they represent and the hard jobs that they do each and every day. I just do hope that when they go back out on the street, they don't see the community as being their enemies.

Of course, they are going to be on heightened awareness, heightened arousal, and they have to be extremely careful now. But, at the same time, this is a time where we need to understand that people on both sides, from the community, from the NYPD and in between, everyone has suffered.

Everyone is crying, everyone is upset as to where we have gotten to today with the deaths of these officers and still some of the issues we see with regard to the relationship, fraying relationship to some extent between the NYPD and some of the communities around the United States. I'm sorry, with police departments and some of the communities around the United States.

SAVIDGE: Right. Jeff, I was out there on the street, watching at the memorial, the street memorial, I'm talking about, and there were many instances where the public did come up and begin a conversation with law enforcement that perhaps they might not have had prior to this tragedy.

Loss is something terrible that people have to deal with. Joey, I'm just wondering your insights now, as you work in law enforcement, you cover law enforcement, your thoughts, as you saw all of this because it really strikes at the fabric of an issue not just in New York, but across our nation.

JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: It really does, Martin. And these are absolutely trying times. And I think they're defining moments in our city. And certainly, the repercussions are felt throughout the country.

I mean, you have to look at this not in isolation, Martin, but in the backdrop and upon the backdrop of Ferguson, Missouri, and you have to look at it upon the backdrop, you know, certainly of Staten Island.

And you know, there are two separate issues, obviously, and of course, protesters have a right, certainly to protest and to do so peacefully and to express their grievances and concerns about building up a police department where there's mutual trust, mutual respect and understanding.

At the same time, there can be no place for violence, there can be no place for losing lives and targeting people because they're in blue, because they're in green, because they're in orange, or because they're in anything else.

So I think today was an incredible show of mourning and support by fellow brother officers and coming together. But I think, Martin, the city needs to come together, because certainly, you know, social media, just briefly, has taken things into a new dimension.

You saw Nick Valencia giving the tweeting report and other things. People are weighing in instantaneously. And what we're seeing through social media are people expressing outrage. And as long as the outrage doesn't cross the line of becoming threats, then they become criminal.

It's one thing to express yourself and express your views, it's another thing to threaten. And so let us not be a community that threatens, let us be a community that expresses our views peacefully and lawfully and hopefully we can bring that gap and we can have mutual understanding, respect, and no loss of life.

SAVIDGE: Joey Jackson, Jeff Gardere, thank you very much for joining us. We have much more, just ahead in the NEWSROOM. And it will all start right after this.

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