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Shooting at El Paso VA Medical Facility; Search for AirAsia Flight 8501 Continues; Seven-Year-Old Survives Small Plane Crash; Latest on NYPD Officers Shooting; Details of Jeffrey Epstein Sexual Assault Allegations; Boston Time Capsule Contents
Aired January 6, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Hey, good evening. Thanks for joining us.
Just a short time ago, we got word of an active shooter at a VA medical facility in El Paso, Texas. Right now, we are beginning to learn what happened there. Jim Sciutto following for late developments. He joins us now. What are you learning?
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, this is the various latest that I'm told by the Pentagon. And Doctor was shot and wounded. We don't know condition at this time. And then the killer turned the gun on himself and killed himself. At this took place at a VA clinic at the Beaumont Army Medical Center. This is in Ft. Bliss. It is in West Texas, El Paso. Huge military complex there. Took place about 6:00 eastern time, at the time the entire military hospital was on lockdown as a precaution.
COOPER: And is the situation officially over?
SCIUTTO: I'm told by the Pentagon it's resolved but out of an abundance of caution, some of the areas were till on lockdown until a short time ago. But it's believed by law enforcement on the scene as well as the Pentagon that the shooting is over now.
COOPER: And we don't know anything about the identity of the shooter or possible motive.
SCIUTTO: We know one motive yet. Just the sad fact that doctor was a target. He has been injured and still waiting more word and announcement expected in the next hour or so as to his condition as well.
COOPER: All right. Well, obviously, bring our viewers up to date as soon as that announcement is made. Jim Sciutto, thanks very much.
There is more breaking news tonight as the search now back on in the Java Sea off Indonesia for the wreckage AirAsia 8501. Ships back at work on the stormy ocean surface. Divers getting ready to face some of the riskiest conditions imaginable. We are learning more about the airbus A-320's black boxes. The pingers that will lead the them and the state of the batteries powering those pingers. More information as well about procedures that airline dispatchers did and did not follow before sending the flight on its way. In addition, two more passengers have been recovered their bodies
bring the total to 39. A lot to cover with our Kyung Lah and Paula Hancocks.
But first, Kyung, what was found that may knock command center in Jakarta, actually Kyung has that. We'll take a look.
KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The intense search for AirAsia 8501, 18 aircraft, 38 ships in the Java Sea, real realtime reporting into the command control center. Moments after we walk in --
BAMBANG SOELISTYO, HEAD OF INDONESIA'S SEARCH AND RESCUE: We have another two bodies.
LAH: The plane just spotted two bodies as Bambang Soelistyo, but he won't know for sure until the ship reaches the coordinates and picks them up.
Soelistyo is the head of Indonesia's search and rescue, the public face in the recovery. The man calling the shots, a lifelong military officer trained for restraint in completing the mission.
You want to find these bodies for the families.
LAH: What's possible, becoming more challenging as the search stretches into double digit days. Indonesia expanded the search zone further east. Officials at the command control center believe many passengers will likely be found on the sea floor still inside the plane. One clue for that theory, search teams already found three passengers all from one row still strapped to their seat belts. But others are drifting. A personal nightmare for the man charged with bringing them home.
You're sleeping here?
LAH: You're eating here.
LAH: You have not left here. Why?
SOELISTYO: Yes, because of the situation. Between the response briefing and the situation and everything I am officer and I am pilot (ph).
LAH: The ship radios back. It has the bodies. Do you think you'll find all the bodies? SOELISTYO: I'm not sure, but I try.
LAH: Two more returning. More than 100 still lost at sea.
COOPER: More than a hundred. Kyung Lah joins us now from Jakarta, Indonesia.
What is the plan for today?
LAH: The plan is to try to find and continue to search for big sections of the plane. And the reason for that, Anderson, is because there is a working assumption here from Jakarta at the headquarters that there may be a number of passengers still inside big sections of the plane.
And they're zeroing in on these two images. It's a little hard to make out. You can see that they're brown. And in those brown sections, there are those light sections. Those light sections, the government here believes that they may be parts of the plane. The emphasis here is on May. They don't know if they're junk, garbage, other wreckage, but they're highly interested in that. They want to get to those two sections to see and try to figure if that's indeed the plane.
The key, of course, Anderson, will be not just finding more bodies but also understanding what happened that will be held inside the black boxes.
COOPER: Yes. It is going to take time. Kyung Lah, thank you very much.
We want to focus now more on the danger the divers that searchers and divers have been facing. Paula Hancocks was aboard the Indonesian search vessel bound to (INAUDIBLE) and now joins us back on dry land.
I know conditions have been rough the past couple of days. You and I talked about this last night and today. Were they any better today?
PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, they were better above the water on Tuesday, but it was still below the waves that was not conducive to diving. No divers could actually go in it. It was just too many.
But we're here in (INAUDIBLE) this Wednesday, local time. The search starts at about an hour-and-a-half ago, at least the aerial search. And we understand that there are currently 99 divers on 15 different ships standing by. They will hopefully go into the water, we understand, from the search and rescue agency. Once they get more detailed information from the sonars, those side sonar scanners, giving them the information they need about where exactly they should be diving. So the hope is that at least Wednesday they will physically be able to get divers into the water because they haven't been able to for some days or at least not long. And at some point, the divers said they have zero visibility. So of course, very dangerous conditions for them and certainly they've been praying for a breakthrough in the weather.
This may be it today. The underwater currents according to the local weather forecast may not be as strong. So that's certainly the hope. Now, we went aboard the U.S. Sampson as well. We got exclusive footage showing the U.S. efforts within this search itself. They're working pretty much 24 hours around the clock saying they're here for the Indonesians and as long as they need them -- Anderson.
COOPER: You're also learning some new information about the pingers on the black boxes. What is that?
HANCOCKS: That's right. We know at least one of the pingers was manufactured by the same company as the pingers on the MH-370. These, of course, the beacons for those so-called black boxes, the flight data recorder, the crucial equipment that tells you what happened and will give investigators an idea of what happened on that flight.
We also know some good news, that the batteries had recently been changed on at least of those pingers. The second one, manufacturers say, may have been changed for competitor's model. But that shows that they may have the full 30 days, those standard 30 days that the pingers will be sending out that signal to show where exactly they are. Now, of course, this is good news for searchers, which shows that they still have about 19 or 20 days left to find those black boxes.
COOPER: Yes, good news, indeed. Paula, thanks very much.
Once again tonight, a lot to make sense of. Fortunately, CNN analyst David Gallo is with us. He co-led the search for Air France flight 447. Also CNN's safety analyst David Soucie is with us, author of the new book, "Malaysia airlines flight 370, why it disappeared and it is only a matter of time before this happens again" and CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest.
David Gallo, let me start with you. We just saw those side scan sonar images from the Indonesia's search and rescue team that Kyung showed us that may be part of the plane. And I'm putting them up on the screen. I know you've taken a look at them. Do you make anything of these?
DAVID GALLO, CNN ANALYST: Well, I'll have to go with the explanation that they may be part of the plane. There's certainly something there. When you see something bright against the more brown background, that's something hard reflecting off the bottom. But I don't see any big pieces. Usually when you have something big, you have a shadow behind it. I don't see that nor a lot of definition.
The one thing we're missing is a scale. So we don't know how large when it goes out those really are. And it's going to be difficult if they don't have positions on each of those things for divers to find them, especially in a given conditions. It's going to be tough.
COOPER: The bright spots though, I mean, that could be -- it could be pieces of plane, it could just be junk on the bottom of the ocean? GALLO: Yes. Positively. It could be pieces of the plane. A debris
field, if it were. But you know, I was thinking if they were going to show us one of these quote-unquote "big pieces," 15, 20, 30, 40, 50 feet long, but I don't see anything in there that resembles that.
COOPER: And as you say, importantly, there is no scale on these so it's hard to get a sense of just how large an object we're looking at.
GALLO: Right and you can see if you look carefully, there's these faint bands going from right to left across the images of the darker bands. That's from the sonar bouncing around because probably of the wave absent or current. So it's not being very stable in the water. That degrades the images somewhat too.
COOPER: And something like this. The side sonar, what takes this? Is this an underwater vehicle that takes this? Is this taken from a ship? Do we know?
GALLO: Something that looks like a very tiny torpedo. Its point in the end with pins on the back that they towed behind the ship. I'm guessing that's what that is. And you know, they make -- that's one frequency that they're using there. They make very -- there are available very high quality imaging sonars that you would be able to see individual portholes and whatever you want to see. But I don't think that's what we're looking at here.
COOPER: Richard, does it surprise you? I mean, here we are almost a week-and-a-half since this plane went down. No fuselage, no black boxes yet found in relatively shallow water.
RICHARD QUEST, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: No, it doesn't surprise me. I was looking at Paula Hancocks' report from the ship. You've only just got to look out and see the vastness of the area.
COOPER: And the conditions.
QUEST: The conditions, the vastness of the area. They are in the right area. We know that. It is just a matter of -- with the technology that we're using today, in terms of tracking the aircraft, we can discuss whether they should have more or should have different types, but with what they were using, this is the only way they're going to find it. Slow and very painfully so.
COOPER: David Soucie, I mean, the fact that at least one of the pingers on the black boxes had just gotten new batteries. That is, obviously, good news.
DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: That's very good news. But the better news is the fact that the other pinger was replaced with a competing model. If that competing model was manufactured this year, it would have a 90 day battery pinger, 90-day battery in it because TSO 21 has actually changed to make everyone as manufactured past that date, 90 days. So we may have a reprieve there and I got a message in right now that Tony Fernandes to confirm that or not.
COOPER: David Gallo, one official thought that perhaps the black boxes could be buried by mud. Just how much would that or potentially could that muffle the sound of pings, could it make it so they couldn't be heard at all?
GALLO: Yes. It could potentially muffle the sound. But I don't think enough date would be, you know, take away too much from the range, which should be one or two miles. Just from what I know, so I don't think very much.
COOPER: Richard, it was interesting that, you know, Kyung was in the control room when a plane spotted two other passenger's bodies. They had yet to actually verify, have yet to actually get the ship out there. I guess they will be able to sort of triangulate based on currents how far people have gone.
QUEST: Right, and the phrase is reverse drift. They will know which way -- they will know with great detail the way the current was moving at different levels -- the surface, the mid, and the lower levels. They'll be able to work out how far it's like.
But we are seeing so much debris, the seat, the bodies, the portholes, the part of the window section that we saw. We are seeing so much wreckage in a particular area that now they can do this modeling to quite a very sharp level of accuracy. That doesn't mean it's going to be -- it really takes you into the hay stack. It doesn't take you right to the point of the hay stack where the needle is.
COOPER: And David Soucie, several metal objects have been detected that might be part of the plane. Now, if divers can't get down there, can sonar give a full enough picture to determine whether or not there in fact they're from the plane? I mean, David Gallo was talking about, you know, very specific sonar, but it's not clear that stuff is on site.
SOUCIE: Right. And as David had mentioned that there's different frequencies and the higher frequencies and lower frequencies have range. So the next step I would suggest would expect would be that they put in the autonomous underwater vehicles and get down to look at it through that. Even if the divers can't see, the visibility is low, the sonar that's equipped on those vehicles can see through that and hopefully get some kind of a picture, as Dave said, a portal or something that would look like an aircraft and know that it was or was not part of this accident.
COOPER: David Soucie, we also heard in Kyung's report that investigators believe a large number of passengers may still be in the aircraft, even in their seats and they found some who were still in their seats. Is it likely that this aircraft broke up before it entered the water? Broke up in air? Or is it likely it was the impact into the water that made it break up?
SOUCIE: I think it's too early to determine that, Anderson, without having --
COOPER: So a thunderstorm, a weather event can break an airplane apart? SOUCIE: It's not the weather event necessarily that does it. It's
the reaction to and how you react yourself to that, whether or not you dive and then pull up. But it is possible that the aircraft on its own flying through a thunderstorm, I find it highly unlikely that it would have broken up in the air from that. But it's the response of the airplane pilot and the information he's receiving, whether he interprets that information properly or not or whether it's getting to him properly or not and the reaction made is what really can cause an aircraft to come apart, but not the weather storm itself (INAUDIBLE).
QUEST: Because to go off of what David is saying, you have the event which is the weather. You have the reaction, whatever that might be from the pilots. But if the plane then goes out of control, if they lose the aircraft, then the stresses and the forms on the airframe, that's what breaks the plane up.
COOPER: Terrifying thought, Richard Quest, David Gallo, David Soucie. Thank you.
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Ahead tonight, only she survive, why small kid like 7-year-old Sailor Gutzler off and walk away from crashes that kill other adults.
Later, you'll see what is in this box. A remarkable story that's not been seen since 1855. It was opened today of the man who opened it ahead tonight on the program.
COOPER: Much is on hold tonight in small town of Nashville, Illinois. People there have been struggling to come to grips with the plane crash that took the life of Marty and Kimberly Gutzler, their daughter Pipe, and niece Sierra Wilder. Now, there will be a memorial service, a public memorial on Thursday followed on Friday by private funeral from Gutzler.
7-year-old Sailor Gutzler, you know, survived the crash that killed her sister and parents. She survived the long walk through cold dark woods to safety. Now though, and some extent for the rest of her life, she would be facing an even tougher journey.
Georges Howell reports tonight.
GEORGE HOWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The plane with tail number 81291 was supposed to land here at the Mt. Vernon airport at 622 p.m. on Friday night. But as you know, that plane with Marty, Kimberly, Piper, Sailor Gutzler along with her Sierra Wilder, it never landed here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Didn't see anything abnormal with what was going on.
HOWELL: The airport manager learned about the crash from a TV station. He considered 7-year-old Sailor's survival a miracle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was the Lord taking her hand and leading her out and leading her to safety. I mean, that was three quarters of a mile through horrible territory and at night in the rain with little clothing and it's cold, I mean, how else do you explain that?
HOWELL: As this community prepares to bury one of its own families, the grief that many feel in Nashville, Illinois, is only surpassed by an even greater sense of responsibility to take care of sailor. Marty Gutzler's pastor, Matthew Wietfeldt said Sailor remains in the good care of her extended family.
PASTOR MATTHEW WEITFELDT, TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH: When Sailor is ready and her family is ready to reintroduce her to the community, I know our community, being as warm and loving and inviting, is going to welcome her back into loving arms. I know -- I'm sure her teachers at the grade school and her friends and friends over there are ready to have her back.
MICHAEL BRINK, SUPERINTENDENT, NASHVILLE SCHOOL: When I think of Sailor, I think of Piper, they were always together. And that's a very hard reality to accept, but that is something that we are going to have to prepare for and, again, we will rally around sailor.
HOWELL: The superintendent of the school that Sailor and Piper Gutzler attended, Michael Brink, knows that the road ahead will be challenging as Sailor comes to terms with how different her life will be. But after what she went through, Brink remains hopeful.
BRINK: When you really step back and take a look, I think that you have to believe that, you know, there's a greater purpose for Sailor, that she's going to go on to do great things and affect people in a very positive way.
COOPER: And George joins us tonight. What's the latest on Sailor, her condition?
HOWELL: Anderson, we understand that Sailor is in the care of family in this area and their only job right now, according to the spokesperson, is to protect her. And over the next several days, that will be a very difficult job for them, obviously with funeral services ahead for Sierra Wilder set for tomorrow and for Sailor's mother, father, and sister.
Anderson, those funeral services are set for Friday.
COOPER: It is so hard to imagine. George, thanks very much.
Now, question that came up last night. Namely, why so many younger kids seems to survive accidents that are sometimes deadly for grownups? Dan Simon has that part of the story.
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It may be impossible to conclusively say why 7-year-old Sailor Gutzler survived the Kentucky plane crash while her family did not. Where she sat, what she may have been doing at the time could be critical factors. But experts say it's possible her age may have something to do with it.
DR. JAMES BETTS, PEDIATRIC SURGEON: For her, I think the way her bones are growing a little more pliable, may have made a difference.
SIMON: Dr. James BETTS is a well known pediatric surgeon who says that in general, children can withstand physical trauma better than adults.
Any trauma basically, children have a better chance of surviving?
BETTS: I think it's quite frankly across the board. We often see children who fall great heights, struck by vehicles at fairly high speed, suffer traumatic injuries that for you and I would be much more serious.
SIMON: Part of it, he says, is children's organs including the heart and lungs. They can move more than normal without being injured.
BETTS: Which pretty much is a clean slate in a child.
SIMON: Little Sailor follows other examples of children being the only survivors of plane crashes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I remember feeling angry and survivor's guilt.
SIMON: Some of them featured in the CNN documentary "Sole Survivor."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why didn't my brother survive? Why didn't anybody? You know, why me?
SIMON: Cecelia Cheeham (ph) was four years old when she survived the crash of Northwest flight 255. The Phoenix bound D.C. went down in August of 1987, moments after taking off from Detroit, killing 154 people on board.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Started falling down from the sky. The pilot told us we were going to crash.
SIMON: George (INAUDIBLE) was 17 years old when he became the sole survivor of a 1985 crash in Reno that killed his father and 69 others.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I remember the plane started to descend and they told us to fasten our seat belts because we were crashing.
SIMON: And yet another example of a young survivor. (INAUDIBLE), 12 years old at the time when she was onboard a Yemeni airways flight that crashed into the Indian Ocean in 2009, killing 152 people on board. And in addition to age, where a person sits on a plane may also improve the chances of survival.
A study conducted by popular mechanics, found that sitting toward the rear of the plane increases the odds of surviving a crash. Researchers looked at every commercial jet crash in the U.S. since 1971.
In 11 of 20 crashes studied, passengers sitting at the back of the plane did better. But Dr. Betts who has been practicing in Oakland for more than three decades said sometimes there are no answers and that may apply to Sailor.
BETTS: I think that for whatever she was the one in the family that was chosen to carry the family on when pretty much everybody else in the family didn't survive.
SIMON: Dan Simon, CNN, San Francisco.
COOPER: As always, you can find a whole lot more on hits and many other stories at the new CNN.com.
Now, just ahead tonight, new details about the two New York City police officers that were shot last night while trying to stop a robbery. Their shift was over. They didn't think twice when they got the call.
Plus, Prince Andrew now facing allegations that make all of his past troubles, well, pale in comparison. And that is saying something. Details on that ahead.
COOPER: Barely a week into the New Year, two more police officers have been shot tonight. Three suspects are in custody. Surveillance video provided crucial clues apparently in the hunt for them. The officers were wounded while responding the a robbery late last night in the Bronx. They put themselves in the line of fire even though they were coming off their shift. Now, they didn't hesitate. They did their job showing extraordinary dedication and professionalism. Miguel Marquez brings us up to date.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shots fired, shots fired at once.
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You can hear the adrenaline as the officer tells the dispatcher where the suspects are headed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shots fired, 187 Tiebout, 187 Tiebout. White Chevy Camaro going northbound.
MARQUEZ: They are just getting off shift when the call comes in for a robbery in progress at a nearby grocery store.
WILLIAM BRATTON, COMMISSIONER, NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT: Those officers last evening were ending duty, where in fact, beginning to change out of their clothes when the call came in about a robbery and they needed the law fight and out of the station.
MARQUEZ: Shortly after the robbery, the suspects were spotted near this shop. One of the suspects can be seen in the surveillance video. Moments later he turned, pulls out of 44 caliber revolver and fires on the officers. You can see the plume of smoke from the barrel.
ROBERT ROYCE, NYPD CHIEF OF DETECTIVES: He fires three rounds in the 44 caliber magnum, very large caliber handgun and we believe he dry- fires after that because he has no more rounds in the gun.
MARQUEZ: Two officers are hit, 30-year-old Andrew Dossi in the arm and lower back, 38-year-old Aliro Pellarano in the chest and arm.
In their getaway, the suspects' carjacked the Camaro, dumping it blocks away. This revolver police say was found nearby.
After a Citywide manhunt, the NYPD arrests two suspects in the shooting. A third person in custody.
This as the police department here is still really from the assassination of two of its own, Detectives Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu.
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BILL DE BLASIO, MAYOR, NEW YORK: He walked a path of courage.
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MARQUEZ: Also coming a mid-mounting tension between the police and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio at the funerals for officers Ramos and Liu, a large number of officers turned their backs on the Mayor claiming the Mayor has not been supportive of the NYPD.
BLASIO: They were disrespectful to the families who had lost their love one. And I can't understand why anyone would do such a thing in a context like that.
MARQUEZ: But the protest may potentially go beyond back turning new statistic show a sharp decrease in police activity this so called "Blue Flu" essentially a work slowdown by many within the force.
The total arrest down 56 percent in the last week, tickets and criminal summonses down more than 90 percent from the previous year.
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BLASIO: At this time, I would not use the turn slow down if in fact that we feel. I saw it from the leadership team that that's what we're dealing with. We'll call it that and we'll deal with it accordingly. (END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Miguel Marquez joins us.
Now, do we know that the condition of the officers right now?
MARQUEZ: Yeah, stable condition for both. They are through the surgery through the worst of it. One of the officers maybe even released from the hospital as early as tomorrow, Anderson.
COOPER: And Miguel, Bill Bratton isn't the commissioner is not calling using the word, "slow down". What -- certainly it looks like slow down by the NYPD. It's not just arrest in some instance have dropped dramatically.
The New York Times is reporting is actually been up taking murder and robberies, right?
MARQUEZ: Yeah, the New York Times reported from the first week, NYPD pushing back very hard on that saying, it is just not true that those numbers are actually trending down for the first week of the year but their remains a controversy.
NYPD looking at those numbers very, very closely also looking at all of statistic across the board and figure out if there is a real slowdown going on. If there is they say they will take swift and serious action to stop it, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Miguel, thanks very much. A man suspected of shooting a police officer Albert Kirk in New Mexico is arrested early this morning after a large manhunt there.
The officer's body camera capture the entire incident shows up close light traffic stops are one of the most dangerous parts of policing. See, the officer approach the vehicle and without warning the suspect has opened fire. The officer is, however, expected to recover.
You see the officer there approaching the vehicle and then the suspect starts firing.
Joining me now former NYPD Police Officer Dan Bongino, he is also a former Secret Service Agent. CNN political commentary Errol Louis also joins us.
Errol, in your opinion there's no doubt that this is a slow down.
ERROL LOUIS, CNN COMENTATOR: Yeah. No question about it. I mean, you can't have 4,000 summons issued in one week and then in the same period, 347. You know, those 90 percent drops that tells you there's something going on.
There's also, you know, report as you hear these things. There's top within the precinct (ph), you know, of somebody gets a rookie for example gets his new summons book and one of the delegates for the union tells them, "Oh you're not going to be needing that anytime."
COOPER: Really, wow.
LOUIS: Yeah, too coordinate.
COOPER: Let's just put those stats up again on the screen. I mean, the total arrest down 55.9 percent parking, some instance down 92. That, I mean, that boils down to money for the city. I mean this is a large income extreme (ph) for the city.
LOUIS: Yes, yes, and then somebody who owns a car in the city, you know, the parking and traffic I don't know if that's such a threat to you to public safety but you're right. It is one of the major sources of revenue for the City and possibly that was one of the things they wanted to use to try and get city hold attention but this is the kind of thing Anderson honestly. It seriously backfires.
By the law, they cannot strike. The police cannot strike. They are also, you know, at the end of the day apparent military organization when orders come down they are suppose to be followed and the commissioner made very clear if you listen to him closely that they will go down to the sector. They will go down to individual officers and if they find and the people are malingering or, you know, sort of a coping or...
LUIS: ... just hanging out and not doing their job serious, serious consequences can follow.
COOPER: Dan, you're former NYPD. You're speaking into a lot of police officers. What's the -- I mean, A, do you believe this is a in fact a slow down and if so why? Why do you think they're doing it?
DAN BONGINO, FORMER NYPD OFFICER: Well, they're doing it because they feel like they don't have a voice. It's also the reason a lot of them are turning their back on Mayor de Blasio.
You know, Anderson, I don't know if a lot of your viewers understand how deeply the police department feels like they've been wounded here. You know, they lost two of their own who were assassinated in broad daylight.
You know, and the Mayor never really -- forget about apologizing even acknowledge his even minor role maybe in creating environment that may have led to this and they feel really abused and at this point their only way of speaking out is by a slow down or whatever we want to call it.
COOPER: I mean supporters of the Mayor do not believe that he played any role or did anything that, you know, lead to these officers being assassinated but that's what you're hearing from people in the police department the belief that, I mean we certainly heard that from the, you know, the head of the police union that the mayor and others have blood on their hands.
BONGINO: Yeah, I think it was the mayor's use of broad strokes against the police department rather than speaking in isolated terms and in proactive terms things they can do to convict policing instead of coming out and saying we're going to implement new training. We're going to look at the hyper criminalization of America, the loosie, cigarettes of course that led to the Garner incident.
You know, that's not what the said. He talked about a lecture he had with his son where he said they take "Special measures". He mentioned specialize if every cop with somehow targeting his son for a reason that's just not true. They don't -- that's not an institutional problem. It's an isolated problem within policing.
COOPER: Errol I mean, you're life long in New York, you report from the city. How do you see this ending because I mean there's a police union contract that's up for negation?
COOPER: They've been working without a new contracting of the Bloomberg Administration so that's clearly playing a part of this as this election of the police union rep president that's coming up so that's also playing into this.
LOUIS: That's right. I mean. This is a sort of package deal. Let me begins very much the tone and the conversation going all the way back to the 2013 elections that brought Bill de Blasio into office. Yeah, there was some friction. There were some unpleasant, some bad feelings. There are reform measures being debated by the city of council that's going to happen as soon as this week.
There's going to be a process that really sort of works these things through. What really does need to happen those people have to sort of step back from the brink.
I think that...
COOPER: Do you see everybody has a role, the protestors, the police, the mayor?
LOUIS: Absolutely. The mayor, the council, yeah, and look the general public. You know, the general public is I think loosing some patients. You know, and when we start seeing things like police activity is down and there some sort of an action going on, I think people are really, really concern about that because we can't have these things spill over into people real lives.
That's one thing it's in politicians when they yell at each other. It's another thing if we start to really endanger public safety.
Errol Louis, good to have you on, Dan Bongino always great to have you on. Thank you very much.
Up next, a royal sex abuse allegations Buckingham Palace denying strongly Prince Andrew had sex with an underage girl but he does have ties to a convicted sex offender who is also named in the court documents. We'll look about that.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) COOPER: I'd like to report on tonight but a quick list got a quick update on the some of the other headlines that were following. Jean Casarez joins us with the 360 News and this is Bulletin. Jean?
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Anderson, hundreds of people including former President Bill Clinton attended the funeral of former New York Governor Mario Cuomo who led the state from 1983 to 1984. His son Andrew the current governor delivered an emotional eulogy calling his father a hero who cared more about being a force for good and above all else doing the right thing. Mario Cuomo was 82.
And, former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnel will spend two years in prison for his conviction on felony public corruption charges. McDonnel must report to prison on February 9, just days before his wife will be sentenced for her conviction on similar charges.
And, it was brutally cold weathering snow. It's gripping much of the country of Iraqis making for tough travel conditions. And it's only going to get worst especially in Minneapolis where schools are closed for tomorrow since it could feel like 35 degrees below zero. But some love in the chilly weather that is you're looking to panda cub Bao Bao enjoying her first roll in the snow with her mom at the National Zoo in Washington. The 16 month old sure have fun.
So, Anderson so much today I mean the beginning day of Congress for 2015 and Bao Bao rolled in a snow in Washington.
COOPER: Yes, from one thing to know that Jean. Thanks for in large. Buckingham Palace is (inaudible) deny allegations that Prince Andrew had sex with an underage girl more than a decade ago. Court filing claims that billionaire Jeffrey Epstein made the girl a sex slave loaning her out to the rich and famous. Max Foster has more in Prince Andrew's past and how he knew Epstein. So, Max what do we know about this guy and there relationship.
MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they were definitely friends. They have been so many pictures of them taking over periods of time. We knew that they spent a lot of time together. Epstein very well connected of course. And, one of the most controversial photographs that we've seen is really after Epstein left prison off to being convicted of sexual offenses, Prince Andrew walking with him through the park in New York and that was highly controversial. It's very damaging for him. And, which is going to look back now the complicate relationship between the two which actually has become is on doing in many ways for Prince Andrew.
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FOSTER: Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, 54 years old and fifth in line to the throne. His Queen Elizabeth's second son and often represents her at official engagements. He was the dashing military helicopter pilot. He fought in the Falklands War. But his personal life has long been tabloid further starting with his marriage to Sarah Ferguson in 1986.
The coupled with the toast of high society had two daughters but divorced after 10 years. Pictures had appeared of Ferguson's affair with her financial adviser. The Prince went on to travel the world as a British trade ambassador paid for by the government and earning him a nickname "Airmiles Andy". In an interview with Sky News in 2010, Andrew described his jet-setting lifestyle.
PRINCE ANDREW, DUKE OF YORK: In order to do what I do for the U.K. and for U.K. business, I have to travel. That's it. It's one of this unfortunate as if were tax that one has to put up with.
FOSTER: On the way, he formed controversial connections with the likes of Saif Gaddafi, son of the Libyan dictator and President Akiyev of Azerbaijan who's been accused of human rights abuses by Amnesty International. But it was his friendship with the billionaire banker and convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein that eventually led to his resignation as trade envoy.
In 2011, when Epstein had just being released from prison, Andrew announced the friendship had been to a stake and he tried to be (inaudible). But now the association has come back to haunt him. Virginia Roberts' filed legal papers in Florida claiming to being used as Andrew sex slave by Epstein and she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew on several occasions between 1999 and 2002 in London, New York under an orgy at Epstein's home on the U.S. Virgin Islands. British newspapers including the Daily Mail have published this picture of Roberts with the Prince when she was just 17 in 2001.
They maybe in photograph together but Buckingham Palace emphatically denies that Prince Andrew had any form of sexual relationship with Virginia Roberts. Any allegations made by her false they say and without any foundation.
Andrew was on holiday in Switzerland with his family and ex-wife when the sex allegations emerged over the weekend. He's now back at the U.K. and staying out of public sight. The palace says he has no plans to make a comment himself on the allegations.
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COOPER: And, Max, Alan Dershowitz, defend American attorney who's also named in legal filing. He is challenging the court asking them to remove his name from the record. Is there any indication of Prince Andrew might do something similar?
FOSTER: Yes, this is really going in and going on the count defensive on every single salacious detail but this lady has come up with him for example he is saying she's a serial liar. She set out on a deliberate smear campaign for Prince Andrew and Buckingham Palace to do the same, it isn't really there form simply because they know that even more detail, salacious details will come out on court so they don't necessarily want the world to hear but we have seen the palace moving in a communication structure in a way we haven't really seen before multiple statements coming out. It's not through court, it's coming through statements but there's a bit a big change in policy. They have been much more open on this one.
COOPER: Max Foster thanks very much. To continue, following just ahead a brass box. It was first buried centuries ago. It's opened. What did Samuel Adams and Paul Revere want us to find today. Find out here.
COOPER: Kind to go in Boston pretty incredible moment. Officials open one of the oldest time capsules in United States that was buried in 1795 of Governor Samuel Adams with the help of Paul Revere.
Tonight, we learn what it contained, newspapers in Massachusetts commonwealth seal and at least 24 coins. Joining us now is Malcolm Rogers, Director of the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston with capsule was opened.
Malcolm, it is just incredible to imagine that this has been sitting there all those time. I know you X-ray the box beforehand so you had an idea what might the in it.
Were you concern at all that, you know, you'd hold this big news conference and would be like the opening Al Capone's vault on TV when really, there was nothing really in there?
MALCOLM ROGERS, DIRECTOR, MUSEUM OF FINE ARTS, BOSTON: In truth, there we knew a little bit about what was in the box. It was a moment of extraordinary excitement as this brass contained are just a size of a cigar box, slowly opened with surgical procedure. And you suddenly found yourself in the presents of history.
COOPER: What stands out to you the most significant of the contents?
ROGERS: Well, the feeling that hands who put the objects together. They folded the newspapers. They try to protect the coins. And that the very bottom of the box was a wonderful silver plate probably made by Paul Revere and engraved by him. That was the treasure, the end of almost of hours searching through the things in the box.
COOPER: And were people be able to see these items at some point?
ROGERS: Certainly. The situation is wearing vary degrees of condition. They will need conservation in the museums, conservation labs. But they will be going on view at the museum sometime in the future. She's a very exciting prospect for us.
COOPER: I know you've been director of the museum for many years. You have American citizenship. Obviously, you have a British accent. Do you think your ancestors or maybe, you know, looking down with same sort of celebratory feeling or do you think they're shocked for this capsule from the American Revolution?
ROGERS: Well, obviously, I'm a little torn as you can imagine but to know history is also a lot of things and thus, you look at the America today, its great institutions so much have them have origins in -- England of English traditions. So, I feel pretty proud.
COOPER: Yeah. It's just -- it's a remarkable fun. I mean did you -- were you nervous? Would you -- do you have to be careful in sort of the opening of the box exposing these things to air?
ROGERS: That's absolutely the case and what was critical was what we we're going to find in there. Could we actually go through the whole box? What would things approve to fragile to take out this evening so we're on (inaudible). It was like brain surgery with history looking down on us.
COOPER: Wow. History, indeed. Malcolm Rogers, extraordinary. Thank you so much. Coming up...
COOPER: ... so I'm going to make you smile at the end of the day. The Ridiculous is next.
Time now for The Ridiculous. And tonight, we have the story of a certain kind of fun the wholesome entertainment and he's got the test of time.
Who doesn't remember the joys of play-doh? Over the year, they've been all sorts of new and exciting things you can do with play-doh. Take for instance the new play-doh sweet mountain cake shop placed at comes with a cake stand, plates and different colors of play-doh and all sorts of fun stuff. So, why you may ask but we'll be talking about this under Ridiculous.
Well, it seems some people we outrage when they saw one particular part of this play-doh set called the extruding tool were just used for making designs.
We have a close up picture of the extruding tool. Actually, have not seen this before and we're only going to show it once. So, pay attention.
There it is. That's the extruding tool. People actually started writing things online about how of this have ruin Christmas. Let's just say the company took a lot of bribing and was forced to respond and we will get to that in a moment.
But, first, let's take a look at some reaction are affiliated in Tulsa got from consumers.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I guess a kid wouldn't know. I mean, you know, it could be considered...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's pretty phallic. It's a pretty phallic pick decorating...
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COOPER: Those are mentioned, Hasbro, the maker of play-doh has responded to the controversy. It's actually kind of hard to believe not one single bro at Hasbro, saw a problem with this during brainstorming research in development marketing.
But, here's what they're saying now, "We have heard some consumer feedback about the extruder tool if play-doh kick it out and placed at and/or in the process of updating future play-doh products with a different tool."
Now, I don't know a whole different tools since -- I don't know, it was kind of extreme to me. It seems like people could just put some kind of cover over the old one to hide the features they find offensive something, I don't know, made out of latex maybe. I don't know.
You like that, didn't you? Wow. I got a reaction from the crew. I don't know. I'm not a toy designer. I'm just going to leave it to the experts under Ridiculous.
That does it for us. We'll see you again 11 p.m. eastern from another edition of 360. Hope you join us. The CNN Special Report "Downward Spiral," the Aaron Hernandez story, starts now.