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Millionaire Dad`s Own Son Murder Him For Cutting His Monthly Allowance; Famous Christian Preacher Has A Controversial Fix For Grand Children Who Are Nonbelievers; Social Media Lighting Up Over A Man Who Says He Has Something Called, Diphallia

Aired January 06, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, high society scandal. Did millionaire dad`s own son murder him for cutting his monthly

allowance? The Ivy Leaguer is behind bars tonight.

Plus, this famous Christian preacher has a controversial fix for grand children who are nonbelievers.

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PAT ROBERTSON, CONTROVERSIAL TELEVANGELIST: Somebody take that kid to the woodshed and let him understand the blessings of discipline.

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PINSKY (voice-over): Let us get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening. I am here with my co-host, Samantha Schacher. Pat Robertson, controversial televangelist, he is talking about the

blessings of discipline. It is a hot topic on social media because of these comments, he made this week about religion and punishment. We have

an audio recreation of an e-mail from one of his viewers. I want you to listen to this. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: We declined going to our daughter`s house on Christmas this year because there is always an argument, hard

feelings, et cetera. One grandchild comes high on marijuana, cursing and challenging our faith. I correct him and have told my daughter to ask him

to respect our beliefs, but he keeps it up.

Our daughter says, she is a Christian but will drink too much and offend her daughter and her husband. Were we wrong not to attend another

Christmas that leaves us upset or someone angry? I have shared my beliefs many times with them and am ridiculed by this grandson and son-in-law.

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PINSKY: All right. So, Sam, we got a grandmother who is being abused by the grandchildren. She sends this e-mail for advice to Pat

Robertson. Now, here is part of the answer from Monday`s Christian broadcasting network show. Take a look.

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ROBERTSON: No, you do not have to go to chrisTmas. Why ruin Christmas and let some -- alot of people like that get drunk and curse and

abuse your savior. Who needs that? You do not have to go -- you do not have to expose yourself to this kind of ridicule and torment.

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PINSKY: That is part of the response.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HLN CO-HOST: Part of it.

PINSKY: Yes. So, joining to us discuss, Kayleigh Mcenany, political commentator; Karamo Brown, television host, social worker; Tiffany Smith,

she is host and reporter. Karamo, I want to play something for you now, which is really what gets everybody going. Listen to this, Karamo.

Another part of Robertson`s answer to the grandmother.

KARAMO BROWN, T ELEVISION HOST: OK.

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ROBERTSON: Somebody take that kid to the woodshed and let him understand the blessings of discipline. He needs discipline. He is going

to wind up in a correctional institution.

The next thing you know he will be doing hard time in some prison and then he will wish he was not such a smart, you know, wise guy, because he

will be disciplined in a way that he will never forget.

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PINSKY: So, Karamo, this wise guy we were talking about last night. The people that really do not understand how to assess what they are

dealing with. And, their response is to become aggressive. And, this guy who is a respected authority in his community advises to take the kid to

the wood shed.

BROWN: Yes. Pat Robertson is out of order and out of control, Dr. Drew. I do not know what is wrong with this man. They need to take him

off the air immediately, because he is not an authority. He is not an authority on spirituality and he is not an authority on what to do and how

to discipline your children. He is an old senile man that needs to go to his home, sit there, retire and talk to his cats.

SCHACHER: Oh, his cats.

PINSKY: Kayleigh.

SCHACHER: Hey, what is wrong with people that have cats?

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: OK. That is really unfair argument, Karamo. You know, I am here to say, no one is wishing violence

upon any child. No one is condoning that at least to Pat Robertson. In fact, go to his book, page 61, the very bottom of that says, if someone

beats their child, they should be taken from the home.

This is in Pat Robertson`s book. It was an idiomatic expression. If you listen to the whole entire comments, you will see he is not condoning

beating the child, instead he is making the very legitimate point that children are out of control this days, that they are not being disciplined

appropriately and that you should respect your elders.

BROWN: Kaleigh, I completely disagree with you. What I heard him say is take your child to the wood, where I am from and where Pat is from --

PINSKY: Wood shed.

BROWN: That means to take your child out there and to beat them. And, so I am not going to listen to what he said in a book that there was a

publisher and editor that cleaned it up, so that he can save face. This man is old and senile. And, he is saying some inappropriate things and he

needs to be taken off the air.

MCENANY: No. It is an idiomatic expressions that was used and if you listen to the full context, not once does he mention beating. Not once

does he mention that.

BROWN: It says why.

PINSKY: Kayleigh, let me interrupt and say that my problem -- I will read what the Christian broadcasting network says. They gave us a

statement. I will read it in a second. But, my problem is, yes, you have behavioral disregulation. You have something wrong with this kid`s

behavior. How about somebody evaluate these kids and see why that is --

BROWN: Thank you.

PINSKY: -- as opposed to talking about immediately it is a parenting problem. We do not know what it is. This poor old woman has a big problem

here. These kids may have been abused. They may be drug addicts, who knows? Kayleigh, the way to deal with drug addiction is not to take them

to the woodshed.

BROWN: Exactly.

PINSKY: It is not how to deal with drug addiction. I am telling you.

MCENANY: No. This kid is -- this kid was disrespecting authority. He was cursing. He was using marijuana. He was disrespecting his

grandparents. Taking him to the woodshed was an expression that was offhand. The broader point was that kids are out of control these days and

they need to be disciplined, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: All right, let me read you the statement. It is a phrase. This is their statement from the broadcast network. The phrase, "A trip to

the woodshed," in quotation, "is a generic term having to do with instilling discipline," whatever that means.

" It can mean something as simple as a, quote, `time-out or a scolding`." All right. "Dr. Robertson, did not specify any means of

discipline, only that disruptive drug-induced behavior needs to be addressed." Agreed. "And, as such behavior if left unchecked can lead to

something much more serious."

Now, Karamo, we all agree with that. The question is, is this the guy who is addressing it. Now, people who attack us, Tiffany, for being --

for medicalizing everything and, you know, saying there must be mental illness here. There must be a diagnosable condition. But, the fact is, do

not kids deserve an evaluation before somebody assumes it is a parenting problem?

SCHACHER: Right.

BROWN: Completely, they deserve an evaluation. And, these children deserve one. And, unfortunately, that grandmother is at her wit`s end and

she went to someone who she thought was an authority, which is not an authority, who used spirituality and some type of whatever Kayleigh said to

tell people to take your kid to the wood and to scold them and give them a time-out.

PINSKY: All right. OK.

BROWN: That is inappropriate.

PINSKY: Tiffany, you can settle the score. Tell me what you think.

TIFFANY SMITH, HOST AND REPORTER: I mean I will initially say I identify myself as a Christian woman. So, to me being a Christian means

acting out of love. And, from the phrasing that he used, there is not a whole lot of love that is coming through in this.

PINSKY: Yes.

SMITH: But, the problem with it is, is that, yes, he is an authority within the Christian community. People to go watch his show to get answers

to things. The problem is that taking that comment out of context, if you do not watch him. Who knows if he has mentioned things before where it

says take them out to the shed is really just about discipline.

It is not about beating your child. I do think it is a little extreme to say they need a mental evaluation, because how many kids around

the holidays are coming home drunk, being like obnoxious or shenanigans with the family. I mean --

PINSKY: But being abusive to a grandma? Come on now. I think to me that is a threshold that I would want someone to be evaluated. Being

abusive to an older woman? Come on.

SMITH: Abusive in what way?

PINSKY: Well, you are right --

SMITH: Just saying things that upsets her or just --

PINSKY: Well, it is an emotional and verbal abuse would be enough for me. Kayleigh, I am getting a lot of feedback on Twitter. Now, I am

being called a liberal advocating that the Christian broadcast network be taken off the air. Neither of which is true, by the way. Neither which is

true.

I am very, very moderate. I try to understand people and see both sides of things. We are not advocating the Christian broadcasting networks

to be taken off the air. Kayleigh, but you see my point?

MCENANY: I do see your point and it was poorly phrased; but I hate to miss the legitimate point in all of this that Pat Robertson was making.

And, it is that parents today are reluctant to discipline their children.

One in four parents say that they will not discipline their children out of fear of upsetting them. That is a problem. I am here to tell you.

If you love your child, you will discipline your child in some capacity. I do not think taking --

BROWN: Well, I am sorry. You are saying to beat a child as well?

MCENANY: No.

BROWN: Are you going to do that as well.

MCENANY: No. Karamo -- Karamo, stop. I did not say that. And, I said at the very beginning of the segment, no one is condoning beating a

child.

PINSKY: All right.

MCENANY: I am not condoning that.

PINSKY: Let us see what the social media is saying. Sam, you got some comments posted on Facebook.

SCHACHER: So, much reaction on Facebook, Dr. Drew, similar to our panel. Very polarizing. So, Sue E. says quote, "I think as young children

it is a parent`s duty to start them on some kind of a religious journey. So many kids nowadays do not even know who Jesus or God is. As adults they

can make their own decisions."

Jose S. responded, "You are so wrong, Sue. It is a parent`s job to teach a child what is right or wrong. Not to program them with ideas that

they will not believe down the road." And, Allen K. wrote, quote, "We should take Pat to the woodshed for being so arrogant and ignorant. Go

back to the 1800, you old (EXPLICITIVE WORD)."

PINSKY: We are going to take a poll of our viewers. The poll is -- It is on our Facebook page? Or website? Where is it now? -- Yes, both.

Should kids be disciplined for not conforming to a parent`s religion?

Also, after this a little break, we are going to have in a second, Pat Robertson said something about cannabis that I thought was very revealing,

very interesting. And, I am sorry it did not get to Kayleigh, because I want to talk to you about it.

He basically says that we should not be putting people in jail for drug use. Just occasionally -- That it is overdone. But, yet he is not

seeming very sophisticated about how to deal with a kid who is using drugs. So, I am going to get into that with the behavior bureau.

And, later, social media lighting up over a man who says he has something called, diphallia. Yes, I will explain what that is. And, he

will answer your questions about that. I will say no more. Back after this.

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KAREN: One grandchild comes high on marijuana, cursing and challenging our faith. I correct him and have told my daughter to ask him

to respect our beliefs, but he keeps it up.

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ROBERTSON: Somebody take that kid to the woodshed and let him understand the blessings of discipline.

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PINSKY: Blessings of discipline, Sam. Back with Sam and I bring in the behavior bureau. Wendy Walsh, Psychologist, author of `The 30-day Love

Detox." Jennifer Keitt, life coach and Erica America, psychotherapist, T.V. Host.

We are discussing the controversial comments made by televangelist Pat Robertson when a grandmother asked him how to deal with her abusive,

frankly, non-believing relatives. Here is now more from that Pat Robertson show. Take a look.

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ROBERTSON: He needs a strong male figure. I do not know where his daddy -- where daddy is.

UNIDNETIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: the daughter is the child of this couple.

ROBERTSON: I know, but the kid has a father someplace and the father may be out of town and the mother is not disciplining him.

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PINSKY: First so, we have woodshed. We have blaming the mom. What do you think?

JENNIFER KEITT, LIFE COACH: I think that Pat really, really should have thought through what he was going to say before he just launched into

this. Because here honestly, the bigger issue to me is the fact that this grand mom and the daughter, that is the relationship to me that I would

have immediately gone to.

The grandma does not have the right or the authority to go into the daughter`s home and start disciplining her children. That really should be

directly resulting from the -- you know what I am saying?

PINSKY: Yes.

KEITH: For the mom and the son.

PINSKY: And, Jennifer I am going to put -- Put Danine`s quote back up alongside of us or full screen it for me, so I can read what she was

responding Jennifer. Here is our own Danine Manette saying -- do you see it there? "If my kids were cursing and disrespecting their grandma, you

would better believe they would be crying out to Jesus to save them from me."

KEITT: Absolutely, so for Pat to go directly to, you know, talking about disciplining those grandchildren and telling the grand mom to stay

away. I think that he completely missed the issue and the point here. Absolutely, if I had -- when my children do have their own children, I

fully expect them to honor me and subsequently their children to honor me. I think Pat really missed this one. I really do.

PINSKY: Erica.

ERICA AMERICA, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: At first I want to say, you know, I also kind of disagree with all the journalism that went along with the

sensationalizing it. I mean some of the headlines said that Pat Robertson wants all nonreligious kids to be beaten. I mean that is not exactly what

he said. I will get him credit for that.

He was saying in this specific instance, when the son was on marijuana and disrespecting, he should be beaten by a male. And, I do not

agree with that, either. I am not against, you know, physical abuse -- or physical, any type of physical harm as a way of getting through to a young

person. There are so many better ways that we can, you know, connect to our youth.

PINSKY: Good parent. Parent discipline parent.

AMERICA: And, we have to deal with that.

PINSKY: Yes. Without violence, without aggression because that teaches. It creates more of that.

AMERICA: And, he basically say -- and without saying it, he is basically saying you have to do this unless you want to be anally raped in

jail. That is basically what he is saying.

PINSKY: What?

SCHACHER: What?

PINSKY: Where did that come in?

AMERICA: That is what he said.

PINSKY: He said that? We missed that.

AMERICA: That is what he said. He said if you do not do this, you are going to a correctional facility. If you go to a correctional

facility, you are going to prison and then something really bad is going to happen to you there.

PINSKY: Ah.

AMERICA: So, you would better beat them now. Look into what he said.

PINSKY: So, Erica is filling in the --

SCHACHER: The blanks.

PINSKY: Right. She is filling in the story.

WENDY WALSH, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: Dr. Drew.

AMERICA: That is what he was innuendoing.

PINSKY: Wendy, I know you got a lot to say, but I want to show you something. And, apparently, Robertson has spoken out in the past about

harsh sentences for cannabis possession. Actually, I promised Sam I will let her talk on this too. So, hold tight, Sam, for just a second.

Here is what he said, quote, "We are locking up people who take a couple puffs of marijuana and the next thing you know they have ten years.

I am not exactly for the use of drugs, but I just believe criminalizing marijuana, possession of few ounces of pot is just costing us a fortune.

It is ruining young people." And, Sam, I will add on to that. It is very much racially chargeed issue as well.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: It is being pushed -- It is ruining a lot of people`s lives, unnecessarily. Do not you agree? And here is something sane he is saying.

They are very sane about substance.

SCHACHER: Right. But, it is a complete contrast to all of the other social issues where he is very conservative. So, yes, he is quite liberal

with this and he is in favor of decriminalizing --

PINSKY: Is it liberal or just pragmatic? Let us just be --

SCHACHER: I think it is pragmatic.

PINSKY: OK.

SCHACHER: I agree with you.

PINSKY: All right.

SCHACHER: But, then, it is interesting how he is reacting to this situation with the marijuana.

PINSKY: Right.

SCHACHER: Because he seems to understand it.

PINSKY: Well, he is blaming pot for the abusive behavior, Wendy, of the kids.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: And, yet I think the stoned kid is not going to be the one probably abusing grandma. I am just saying.

WALSH: Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: You know what I am saying?

SCHACHER: Right.

WALSH: As you know, if all you had to do was beat a user in order to get them clean, you would have no practice, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Or I would have a very different kind of practice, because that is what we would be doing. We would be pulling out -- we would be

caning people to get them away from drug use.

WALSH: I think there are really two issues here. One is the issue of whether religion is a good teacher of morals, and I think it is. I think

religion is a great way to teach morality to young people. And, this is the lens that Pat Robertson knows. He knows this lens of religion.

He is also way out of his pay scale here when talking about how to deal with addicts, or how to deal with drug users. And, so, because he

does not have an answer, he just goes back to 50 years ago and gives whatever Pat answer was in his brain that is upon -- Pat`s answer was in

his brain from 50 years ago.

PINSKY: Jennifer, you want to say something?

KEITT: Yes. You know, Dr. Drew, I think at this particular juncture, we have to admit that kids nowadays they do need reeling in. But, I think

that the context in terms with that caller, she wrote in talking about Christmas. Talking about being stressed out herself, and Pat completely

missed the mark as it relates to trying to restore that relationship between that grandmother and that family.

PINSKY: Right. Yes. Yes.

KEITT: He completely went off the deep end. I am not disagreeing that kids do need to be disciplined and if you have to do corporal

punishment, we have talked about this before.

PINSKY: Oh, Jennifer.

KEITT: Within boundary -- I know, I know. I know. But, Dr. Drew, within reason --

WALSH: Have you read the research?

KEITT: -- OK. Within reason, I am not going through that argument again. Within reason, I do understand -- I do understand that.

PINSKY: Yes.

KEITT: But in this context, it was completely missing the mark.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew --

PINSKY: Sam -- Yes.

SCHACHER: Yes. A quick question, because I am seeing a lot of reaction on Twitter of people wanting to ask you whether or not that you

think he may be suffering from dimension or Alzheimers.

PINSKY: No. I see no evidence other than he is slowed down because he is an elderly gentleman; but, I do not see any cognitive difficulty

there really. And, I think he meant what he said. I think he may have used language that we are all sort of trying to struggle with here.

And, he is not somebody that should be on we have a problem where young people are developing mental health issues early and it is being

blamed on parenting. And, parenting is certainly not helping the emergence of somebody`s problems, but there is much more needs -- Jennifer, agrees on

me on this than just parenting needs.

KEITT: Absolutely. Absolutely.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes, of course. And, by the way, if you noticed what did he, he blamed it immediately assumed no dad and blamed that, which has

all kinds of implications in making that assumption.

KEITT: And I do not even know where he got that from.

PINSKY: Right.

KEITT: Dr. Drew, it takes a comprehensive approach.

PINSKY: Thank you.

KEITT: I completely agree with you. But, it does -- You have to have every tool in the tool chest for the parent.

PINSKY: That is right.

KEITT: That is all I am saying.

PINSKY: OK. Fair enough. All right, here are the results of our poll. Should kids be disciplined? We asked it as for not conforming to a

parent`s religion. 10 percent say yes. 90 percent say no. And, that is why I would rephrase it that way, Erica. We were determined that people

might take him literally and say that religion has to be disciplined into a child.

AMERICA: Right. I mean Religion should be something that goes along with you know a path of curiosity, of coming into yourself. And, I think

that -- I just think of, you know, like the six kids of Angelina Jolie. Do you think they are beating into them to what religion each of them are?

Or do you think they are kind of letting each of them decide for themselves what they what to be. Not to say that, that is the right

format, but I am just saying, I tend to gravitate towards letting a person and a child kind of grow into what they want to be.

PINSKY: All right.

AMERICA: Because I think that is natural.

PINSKY: And, I am certainly not saying that faith is something that should be marginalized or nominalized in people`s lives. All of us -- all

of the people with that mental health here know that faith is a very important thing in people`s overall mental health.

And, when people have issues in mental health, it is sometimes a significant piece of how they find their way out. So, we are not

diminishing. We are not marginalizing it at all. We are saying he is marginalizing the mental health part and that is a very scary thing. If

you leave out all these pieces as Jennifer said, you need everything in the tool shed, the kid suffer.

All right, next up. We got an Ivy League kid, a rich kid accused of murdering his millionaire father over something, something really important

like a cut in his allowance.

And, later, questions and answers from the man who says he has diphallia. He had quite a time on Reddit, really caught everyone`s

attention. He is blowing up. And yes, he has two penises and we will ask him all about that after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: He came to 911. She said the husband was shot by her son.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (1): Investigators found 70-year-old Thomas Gilbert.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (2): He was shot in the head. His body found on the floor of his bedroom. The prime suspect? His very own son.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (3): The 30-year-old Gilbert was a 2009 Princeton grad.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (4): The police`s source say he has a history of psychiatric troubles and relied on his dad financially.

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UNIDNTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (5): Police say the crime scene was staged to look like that Tom Sr. had killed himself.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (6): A motive behind the fatal shooting of Thomas Gilbert senior involved the son having his allowance cut off.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Kayleigh, Karamo, and Tiffany. Millionaire Hedge Fund Manager murdered in Manhattan. 30-year-old son is charged.

Police say he might have done it because his dad was, well, cutting back on his allowance? I mean who would not do it.

SCHACHER: Wow.

PINSKY: Sam, give us some more details.

SCHACHER: OK. So, at 3:15, Dr. Drew, Gilbert Jr., he heads over to his parents` apartment, OK? He pushes past the doorman. So, the doorman

saw him in there, witnessed that had he arrived. Then he tells his mother to go fetch him a sandwich, OK? She leaves the premises. Then the

neighbors here a loud noise., OK?

She returns. She discovers that her husband has been shot dead. Then the police, they catch up with Gilbert Jr., who has been hiding out at

his apartment. And, they find a lot of evidence there, Dr. Drew. They find magazine clips, bullets, handguns cased with the serial number of the

gun found at the scene. The police charged him with second-degree murder.

And, as you heard earlier in that package, the previous package, what was his motivation? Well, one theory was the fact that his father, Gilbert

Sr., was cutting back on his allowance from $3,000 a month owed to a mere $2,800 a month.

PINSKY: What?

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Over $200 a month, he is already getting a huge -- And, Sam --

SCHACHER: And, he is 30.

PINSKY: But, maybe he was incapacitated by mental illness or something. And, that is why the parents felt they had to take care of it.

It is very bizarre.

SCHACHER: Well, he did have -- OK, this is one, people are saying, well, he had a really serious disorder of OCD, but --

PINSKY: Well, I do not know, OCD does not make sense to me.

SCHACHER: Does that make you murder your parents?

PINSKY: No. It does not. It does not. He went to Princeton. All kinds of questions about this. But, Sam, one last question for you is why

second-degree murder? I mean he had a handgun in his apartment. He goes to his dad`s place and kills him?

SHACHER: I have no idea. Perhaps Kayleigh could answer that.

PINSKY: Kayleigh can you answer that?

MCENANY: It is a great question. I suppose the state did not think that they could bring a first-degree murder charge. Obviously, that would

mean proving premeditation. So, you know, in this case I think maybe they thought they only had the evidence for second-degree murder.

Dr. Drew, though, I find this so troubling. You mentioned the OCD and you mentioned the mental illness and to me that is so scary because I

find that to be a common thread in a lot of these killings in what we saw in Isla Vista with Elliot Rodgers or Adam Lanza. It seems to be a common

thread that oftentimes ends in violence. It is very troubling.

PINSKY: Well, Kayleigh, here is what troubles me is that we cannot -- I am not going to get crazy about the gun issue exempt to say I have real

problems with people who have, might have, we do not know about this kid. He might have had mental illness associated with violent behavior and yet

he can still get his hands on guns. You do not have problem with that?

MCENANY: But not in New York City. He was illegally possessing a gun. New York City, he could not have that gun. That was actually one of

the charges brought against him. So, this is a case where someone who wants to kill will find the gun and will use it. It is sad but that is the

way. It is not about the gun. It is the mental illness. It is about the person.

PINSKY: Karamo, I want to you put your social work hat on here. Do you think this was premeditated? Do you think it was an argument that got

out of hand? Or is this guy manic and that is part of why he pushes by the door man as he comes into the place? Something going on that really has

not yet been described.

BROWN: I do not think premeditated. I definitely think manic. And, I think what happened here was that the parents were intimidated by his

mental illness. That was the first thing that struck me as I read the story.

PINSKY: Oh, interesting.

BROWN: For them to throw money at it. For his mother to say -- for him to say to his mother, go fetch a sandwich for me, and she left the

house.

PINSKY: Yes.

BROWN: These things indicate to me that they were coddling him.

SCHACHER: Yes.

BROWN: And, were afraid of the fact that he had a mental illness and did not know how to handle it.

PINSKY: Yes. Tiffany, I think it is a great point. Parents is a little denial about this stuff and they coddle. They do not know how to

handle and they do not listen to direction.

SMITH: Yes. I mean when you initially hear the story and it is a 30- year-old man who they, obviously, also add into the story because he is attractive and he was seen on the New York social scene, so he is not so

incapacitated that he is not having a social life within New York City. So, it was awkward to me that he says go fetch a sandwich and his mom is

like, "Yep, I will go do that."

SCHACHER: Right.

SMITH: And, the fact that -- I mean he is even getting allowance at all. And, that they are bringing it down $200. And, that this is

something that apparently they have said they have had this conversation multiple times with him.

This is not the first time about talking about cutting it back. And, the sadder part to me is that, you know, he probably used that money to buy

the gun in the first place.

PINSKY: 30 years old getting nearly 40,000 a year. Kayleigh, you do not have a problem with that? I have a problem with that.

SCHACHER: Me too.

MCENANY: I have a huge problem with that and not to go back, but one thing I just want to say to karamo`s point. You know, you mentioned mental

illness and the parents, you know, playing into it and not stopping it or not, you know, addressing it.

But, even if they had recognized this, you know, what steps can they really take? You look at Elliott Rodgers` father, and he did everything he

could to address the mental illness there at least it seems from the outset . We have a real problem in this country. We just have a way to address

it.

PINSKY: Absolutely. Do not disagree with that, Karamo.

BROWN: Yes. No, no. I definitely will not disagree with that. We have a big problem with that. But, there are a lot of steps we could take.

PINSKY: Yes.

BROWN: I men there is a lot of thing in this story alone, and of course we do not know the full story that just set off red flags for me. I

mean like I stated. For the parent to come down $200, there should have been some type of weeding out our problems that processed that happened way

before this, when he graduated from college. The fact that she left to go get him a sandwich.

PINSKY: That is the one that gets us the most.

SCHACHER: Right.

BROWN: The fact that no one checked the child`s home or this man`s home. There are so many different elements here that leads me to believe

that they were intimidated by this.

PINSKY: Yes.

BROWN: And that they could have actually gotten more help for him.

PINSKY: Sam, what do you think?

SCHACHER: Yes, and not only that, Dr. Drew. There is some history there and it is still under investigation. So, it is alleged. But, when

he had a falling out with a friend, he went to the friend`s house over in the Hamptons, allegedly, and burned it down and killed their family dog.

So, that is still under investigation. So, if that is true, you can just see this pattern of behavior here. This was not his first run-many with

the law.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, you will hear from a friend who believes the suspect did in fact show significant signs of mental illness. And,

later, very soon, I have the man who says -- apparently, this guy has been --

SCHACHER: That looks like a mug shot.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: He has been lighting up Reddit. He has been lighting up other social media. A guy who was born with two penises, a very rare

thing. It can happen. He is answering your questions, and he is back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: 1304, male shot in the family. 1304, male shot in the family. He came to 911. She says the husband was shot by

her son.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: He was a troubled young man with a troubled past. Clearly, their son had serious mental illness. There were

stories about strange things that he had been doing in the past few years, really erratic behavior.

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PINSKY: Yes, I am back with Sam, Wendy, Jennifer, Erica. And, Sam, that is not OCD that causing a strange erratic behavior. We are talking

about the son charged with killing his millionaire father. The alleged motive people have been discussing was the threat to cut his allowance. I

got a tweet from our buddy, WhiskeyDoc247365, "The @drdrew mental illness defense again. How about greed folks. #hedgefundkilling #behaviorbureau

SCHACHER: Affluenza all over, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Affluenza, which is -- making a mental illness out of being a rich person, which is not the case here. Now, Jennifer, we are hearing

the mental illness may have been a factor. I keep thinking bipolar disorder with this kid that the parents may have been in denial about.

KEITT: I do not know, Dr. Drew on this one. I think I am going to pull away. I am going to say, I think it was spoiled rich kid.

SCHACHER: Me too.

PINSKY: But $200? Is that something to make somebody kill their father? Have you ever heard of that?

KEITT: OK. But, here is what I thought -- I thought about, Dr. Drew. Suppose, just suppose his father was worth more dead to him than alive. He

is a trust fund baby.

PINSKY: OK. OK.

SCHACHER: Yes.

KEITT: He is a trust fund baby. And, if the father is not there, certainly quarter of the estate or half the estate. It was a $200 million

hedge fund that his father was running --

PINSKY: OK. Well, that makes more sense.

KEITT: You are going to tell me that $40,000 as opposed to $200 million on the line?

PINSKY: Yes. OK. All right.

KEITT: I think it is spoiled.

PINSKY: Thank you, Jennifer. That made a little sense to me. But, Erica, you are doing jumping jacks. No. No. No.

AMERICA: I hear what you are saying, but I am going to take the mental health route, because look that cover-up attempt was ridiculous.

So, basically, when he killed his father, he was facing the fact that he is going to be in jail for the rest of his life or he is going to have to kill

himself because there is no other way. So, basically, this guy killed his father and ruined his life because of $200. Something is not going right.

OK?

PINSKY: Right. That is right.

AMERICA: Not only that. He potentially killed a dog and set a house on fire. There is something not right going on here.

PINSKY: Manic, would you say? Manic, Erica?

AMERICA: Same as this affluenza is the angry uneducated way of just being like, "Uh, yes. That is what it is, because I do not want to look in

deeper."

PINSKY: Yes. It is manic.

AMERICA: Chill out a little.

PINSKY: It is crazy.

AMERICA: Look a little deeper and we see that it is more than this. Of course this is a rich kid.

WALSH: But, this did not start here.

AMERICA: We know this is a kid who has been spoiled and coddled.

WALSH: This could also be mentally ill at the same time.

PINSKY: Wendy, what are you saying?

WALSH: This did not start here. This goes way back.

AMERICA: Yes, definitely.

WALSH: I mean I think that to have this impulsive killing that was really about getting insurance money, you know, Dr. Drew I host that show,

happily never after where brides and grooms kill each, usually for insurance money.

It is usually the murder is done by somebody else or it is done in a disguised way. This was an impulsive crime of passion by somebody who was

not right in the head. And, I believe it was part of a longstanding mental illness.

SCHACHER: How is it impulsive though, Dr. Drew, if he brings the gun there? And, he tried to make it look like that his father killed himself.

KEITT: He brought it back.

PINSKY: And, Jennifer is making a point. We did not talk about that, Sam. I do not think you mentioned that. Did he tried to position

the gun?

SCHACHER: He tried to position the gun to make it look like that his father committed suicide.

WALSH: But, that was after.

KEITT: Is that mental -- How do you graduate from an Ivy League school, how do you live eight, nine, ten years off $40,000 a year?

SCHACHER: Right.

KEITT: How do you do this with a severe mental illness that all of a sudden, because of $200 you snap over?

AMERICA: People in the world can have mental illnesses. You can be the best lawyer in the world. You can be -- our president right now could

be suffering from hard core bipolar disorder. You can have both at the very same time.

PINSKY: Well, a lot of - historians -- psycho historians look at a lot of these great leaders and a lot of them had bipolar disorder. A lot

of them.

AMERICA: Yes. It just happen. It does not mean that you are a bad person.

PINSKY: To accomplish things like graduating from Princeton, being bipolar could be an asset, and having an OCD, asset in terms of getting two

programs like that. But, I promised --

KEITT: OK. So, buying --

PINSKY: Go ahead.

KEITT: I am sorry.

PINSKY: Buying a gun, what, Jennifer?

KEITT: Buying the skimmer.

SCHACHER: Right.

KEITT: Getting credit cards that you are --

SCHACHER: Right.

KEITT: We are talking about sophisticated behavior. Criminal activity.

WALSH: Well, the guy was smart. You can be smart and crazy.

PINSKY: All right. Listen, I will leave you -- and then another layer to this that Wendy brings on. We said we have a comment for the

friends. I got a comment from an ex-girlfriend who spoke to the "New York Post."

Here is what she said, quote, "He talked a lot about his dad and how mean he was to him and how nothing was good enough. His phone number rang.

No one texted him or called him. The one time it rang, it was four months while we were together, it was his mother."

And, Wendy, that is suggesting in addition to all these other issues, which is he might be spoiled. He might have affluenza. He might be manic

and psychological issue on top of that.

WALSH: Exactly, I mean at the very least we are talking about highly critical parenting or at least his perception that this what happened.

And, maybe some attachment issues. You know, one of the great contributors to adult depression is childhood guilt.

So, maybe these parents were laying a lot of guilt in him in early life. And, if he had some bouts of mania, you know, mania in some ways at

some times is anger turned outward.

PINSKY: And, when I see crazy behavior, I always worry about substances too. Erica, last thought.

AMERICA: Yes. And, also, Wendy just adding on what you are saying, isolation is huge. He had no support system. If nobody contacted him in

four months, I mean this guy did not --

SCHACHER: Perhaps he was a jerk and nobody wants to be friends with him.

PINSKY: That is right. That is right. Perhaps he was -- or his parents may have had enough of him. All right, speaking of --

WALSH: Right.

PINSKY: Well, I will not make the crazy transition. I am going to talk about -- Next up, the man who calls himself the diphallic dude. He is

here. He will talk about living with this rare medical condition. You will find all about it. We are going to talk to him after this.

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Karamo, Tiffany, and Wendy. No fooling everybody. This conversation is for mature audiences only. This is a

medical topic and this is our most tweeted story of the day. So, kids out. It is about a man, who says he was born with two penises. He calls himself

diphallic dude. He is going to join me in a minute.

Now, diphallia or what in medical community is called penile duplication. It is rare, affecting at most one in every 5.5 million

births. Infants born with this condition by mortality rates. Those that do survived typically have multiple other medical conditions including

having two bladder systems, two kidney systems, two reproductive systems, spina bifibida, which is sort of a lack of closure of the spine.

It is says though all the way along the midline things are split, all the way up in the spine. And, also they have all kinds of problems in

their colon, in their rectal system where that is also split or at sometimes closed off completely. All right, Sam, you got any questions

about that before I get to the diphallic dude?

SCHACHER: I am just processing it all, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes. It is -- basically the pelvic system can be either split or malformed in some way, associated with this condition.

SCHACHER: I have seen the pictures.

PINSKY: All right. I sent you an article about it this afternoon. I felt like our friend, Mike Catherwood --

SCHACHER: I know.

PINSKY: All right. The diphallic dude said he is healthy. His story has been dominating social media. Sam, tell me what else you got.

there is a lot of interest in this guy. If I can show the pictures of his two eight-inch penises to our viewers, I think you guys would

understand why. So, he got a lot of notoriety. At least his two penises did for his AMA post, which is on Reddit.

And, AMA stands for Ask Me Anything. This was the fourth most popular AMA post in history. 17,000 comments and he has a Twitter account

for his two penises and they have 20,000 Twitter followers. Pretty much more than me.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: All right. Well, the diphallic dude is joining us now. We are going to call him John. He is 25 years old. He is the author of the

new memoir called, quote, "Double Header: My Life With Two Penises" unquote. I have the book cover. Again, I am warning you, this is graphic,

so please be careful with the underage children in the home.

John, we are not going to show your face. We do not know your real name. Why all these -- You have written a book about it. You have done

AMA. I am confused about anonymity on one side and then massive social media on the other. What is that all about?

JOHN, DIPHALLIC DUDE: Well, it is great to be here, Dr. Drew. I actually grew up watching VHS cassettes that my neighbor had of Love Line.

SCHACHER: Yehey.

PINSKY: If we only had you back then, it would have been the subject of many weeks of conversation, I am sure.

(LAUGHING)

JOHN: Yes. I was not old enough back then to know much of anything that was going on. But, the reason for anonymity is honestly, parallel it

to superman telling everyone that he is Clark Kent. He would not have a moment of peace no matter where he went, his loved ones, his family,

everyone that is connected to him would be bothered.

PINSKY: John, let me ask you something. Did you know that before you did this AMA? Or it was the fact --

JOHN: It was a fluke.

PINSKY: But the fact that there was such a social media response, is that a surprise to you?

JOHN: At first it was. It was a complete fluke. I was in a relationship with two people at the time. And, they were like -- we were

following a blog on the internet. They said, you know ought to send a picture in and see what the people at the blog say.

And, I was unaware of Reddit. I knew about Twitter. And, I knew about Facebook but I was not on them. I am still not on Facebook. I will

not go on Facebook. But, the point is, the picture was sent in and it got a lot of attention.

So much attention that it went to Reddit. And, then everyone on Reddit started screaming that I come on there and talk to them about it. I

had no idea what the AMA was. I got on there. It spiraled out of like, completely out of control. I even told my significant other --

PINSKY: How at 25 years of age do not know what AMA and Reddit is. I am not in that age group that uses that so much and yet I know what it is.

How is that possible?

JOHN: I never use the internet for anything other than checking e- mail, doing business stuff and streaming television shows.

PINSKY: All right. OK. Hang on a second. Tiffany, you wanted to ask a question about the function of his systems.

SMITH: Yes. I mean it is obvious that people are interested about like the sexual exploits of things.

PINSKY: Right.

SMITH: But, it really is for you, I want to know the science of it like the internal systems, Dr. Drew was talking about the fact that for

some people, everything is basically two systems. So have you gone to a doctor?

PINSKY: I am sure.

SMITH: And, what does the doctor say for you about all the systems?

PINSKY: No, no, he has had operations and things, I am sure. Right? Let us ask the specific question. Does urine come out of both penises?

JOHN: Yes.

PINSKY: Does semen come out of both penises?

JOHN: Yes.

PINSKY: Do you have any rectal pathology?

JOHN: There is -- well, let us put it this way. The prostate is so much larger than normal.

PINSKY: Do you have two prostates?

JOHN: Well, they think that it could have been two, but it is like large one --

PINSKY: So, it coalesced.

JOHN: It is like large one.

PINSKY: You have two collecting systems? The seminal vesicles where everything is stored.

JOHN: Everything that comes -- they said the only signs they can see of any kind of duplication was where the shaft inside the body separated

into two.

PINSKY: All right. Sam, you had a question.

SCHACHER: I have a couple questions. So, number one, do you have sex regularly? Does it impact your sex life in a negative way or in a positive

way? And, also how do we know that this is not a photo shopped picture, because you are very secretive.

PINSKY: Maybe you studied this online.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: And, maybe you are just telling us, you know? How do we know this is real?

JOHN: Well, I mean, honestly, taking my word for it is really all that anyone could do. I could not even begin to imagine what the

motivation behind it would be. And, it was such an out of control fluke when it happened. It kind of blew me away. I wanted to hide under the bed

after everyone from Rolling Stone to Jezebel to Cosmo were talking about it last year.

PINSKY: You also sort of trickled out a little tidbit that caught our attention -- my attention when you said you were in a relationship with two

people.

SCHACHER: Yes, let us hear about it.

PINSKY: I mean the fact that you have to have two sets of genitalia, do you have to have two partners? Let me stop with that. Let me just hold

with that, becayse we got more questions. And, I know Wendy and Karamo got question. Karamo, looks like he is -- somebody just flashed a light bulb.

Took a picture and he was addled by it.

All right. I am going to go to break. I will bring back the panel, bring back John. I am going to show you a drawing that he did as a

teenager. We will talk about his teenage like with all these problems with this anomaly. We got a lot after this.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Karamo, Tiffany and Wendy. Again, the warning that this is an adults only conversation. We are talking to a man who says

he was born with two penises. He called himself diphallic dude.

We are calling him john. He shares his story in a memoir, "Double Header: My Life With Two Penises." John sent as a drawing he did when he

was a teen and again graphic images. This is a warning. John here is the image coming up. While we are looking at it, I will ask you, you also had

a prodigious history, right? Many partners.

JOHN: Yes. Actually, a correction is that that drawing was done back last February when people were asking me what surgery I was going in for.

And, it was a suspensory ligament dissection to correct a bulk of my shaft.

The single shaft was kind of bulk inside and it was causing a pinch in my left urethra, which was making it difficult to urinate and ejaculate

from the left side. So, that drawing was done to let people know what was being done, because otherwise trying to explain it was impossible.

PINSKY: Sam, you have a question?

SCHACHER: Yes. John, you never answered the previous question about how does this impact your sex life. I know that you have had a number of

partners. I think you said around a thousand. So, does it impact it positively, I would say?

PINSKY: And, why have not these people spoken up and said, "There is this guy who has a crazy thing I saw. We never hear other people talk

about it.

JOHN: I am trying to answer it.

PINSKY: Where were the guys on the AMA?

JOHN: I will try to explain it as briefly and quickly so we can get through everything as much as possible. The sex life is impacted not

really much at all besides the fact that there is two more for my partner to deal with.

And, there is always a little bit of a shock and a catch off guard even when they know in advance, because they do not really know what to

expect. You can only tell someone so much before they really actually see it.

As for anyone like coming out about me, I have never used the internet to hook up with people. I have never taken photos and sent them

to people from my phone or camera or computer or e-mail. So, it really would be the equivalent of someone going, "Oh, my God. I was with that

dude. Remember? I told you I was not drunk." It is their word against mine.

It is literally, they do not know what my face looks like to attach to my stuff. They know what my stuff looks like but they cannot attach to

it my face. It is kind of like a reversal, where people who have fooled around with someone, oh, really, what does their stuff look like? This way

it is what does their face look like?

PINSKY: Karamo, you have question?

BROWN: Yes. First of all, I just want to say on behalf of every guy in the world, 20 inches, you are my hero. I just want you to know that.

But, secondly, I just want to say that on a serious note. For people who are different in our country, it is very hard, no pun intended, to express

who you are and for people to see you as a human being and not see you as an object.

And, I applaud you, actually for having the courage. Even though you are still keeping your anonymity, which I understand, for at least coming

out, because this is going to help somebody who has some type of medical issue to feel more comfortable.

PINSKY: And a lot of people who have this condition, they are not as functional as this gentleman is. Wendy, your question.

WALSH: Yes. I am a little skeptical. Sorry, Dr. Drew, I got to throw into a skeptical wrench in all this here. You did an interview with

Rolling Stone magazine. You know that Rolling Stone has been under a lot of scrutiny lately for not doing the best of journalism. So, did they

verify? Did the journalists have a look to make sure it is real?

(LAUGHING)

JOHN: I spoke with them at length before we did the interview. And, discussed a lot of different stuff. They were not with me in person. I

understand the skepticism. I really do. It is something that not many people would believe could be possible.

But at the same time, my only goal behind any of this was to simply let everyone out there who might feel awkward and different inside know

that we are all human inside regardless of what we look like on the outside and we all have feelings.

We need to embrace our individuality and have compassion for each other, because if we do not, we will just feel like those poor unfortunate

beautiful people from 50, 60 years ago who had to live in freak shows just to survive.

PINSKY: I imagine that during high school, it was really difficult. I only have about 20 seconds.

JOHN: It was painful. At the very end of high school I lost my virginity to a girl who told a lot of people and I did not reveal it, but

it made my life hell for about two years.

I always wanted to have one of them removed and my father made me changed my mind by letting me know that it did not matter what anyone else

thought about me. As long as I knew that he and my mother loved me, I would be fine.

PINSKY: All right. We are going to continue this conversation on our after show at Facebook. Go to our Facebook page. You can find us there.

We are going to see if John can stay with us. "Forensic Files" up next.

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