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Cosby Cracks a Rape Joke on Stage
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. He`s known as America`s dad, but comedian Bill Cosby now the target of an LAPD police investigation
for sex molestation of a then teen girl. That raises the tally to nearly 30 women who say Bill Cosby assaulted them.
Bombshell tonight. Bill Cosby clearly does not have the good sense to sit down and shut up. He`s back on the stage, raking in the money. He
just doesn`t get it, actually cracking jokes on stage about his alleged rape victims. That joke sets off a storm within the audience, people
actually dragged out and arrested for heckling Cosby back.
And tonight, yet another sex attack victim speaks out to us. How many more women did Bill Cosby allegedly rape?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was given something to drink, a clear liquid.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He pulls me to him very aggressively, spins me around, reaches under my skirt, pulls my panties down, bends me over and
does his business.
PROTESTERS: Bill Cosby is a rapist!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was on top of me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live tonight. A top secret 3:00 AM surrender leaves "Real Housewife of New Jersey" Teresa Giudice behind bars at a federal pen a 15-
month prison stint. She committed fraud. She`s at Danbury federal prison tonight. Stunning developments, after feds accuse Teresa of stealing $4.6
million from taxpayers, lying on federal forms to satisfy her greed, in the last hours, we learn she`s been granted an early release date from jail.
That`s right, New Jersey "Real Housewife" Teresa Giudice set to walk free early.
But in the meantime, let the whining begin, complaints about everything from restrictions on her hair extensions, a lack of high-end
beauty products, and of course, the food, this as we get a sneak peak inside Giudice`s mansion, now on the block to pay for the family`s lavish
lifestyle.
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. He`s known as America`s dad, but comedian Bill Cosby now the target of an LAPD police investigation for sex molestation of
a then teen girl. That`s raising the tally to nearly 30 women who say Cosby assaulted them.
Well, Bill Cosby clearly does not have the sense to sit down and shut up. He`s back on the stage, raking in money. And he doesn`t seem to get
it. He actually -- Bill Cosby actually cracking jokes on stage about his alleged rape victims. That joke sets off a storm within the audience,
people actually dragged out and arrested for heckling Cosby back. And tonight, yet another sex attack victim speaking out to us. How many more
women did Bill Cosby rape?
Joining us right now, Jean Casarez, CNN correspondent. Jean, joining me will be Dale Carruthers. He was kicked out for filming the Cosby
heckler arrest. So when people heckle Cosby back -- he makes a rape joke on the stage -- when people began to heckle him, they get dragged out and
arrested, Jean.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s right. And you know, there were protesters outside, Nancy, and the basic premise was, Bill Cosby,
you`re a rapist. And then inside, when the show started, there were hecklers, just as you`re talking about. Some women even took off their
shirts in support of the alleged victims. But at the end of the three nights in Canada last week, there was a standing ovation for Bill Cosby.
GRACE: So even with him making jokes on the stage about the alleged rape victims, he still gets a standing ovation.
CASAREZ: Yes, he did.
GRACE: Look at this! Hold on! Hold on! Let me see that video. Hold on, Jean Casarez. Don`t move an inch.
Joining me right now is Dale Carruthers, "London Free Press," kicked out for filming the Cosby heckler being arrested. Dale, thank you for
being with us.
DALE CARRUTHERS, FILMED COSBY HECKLER ARREST (via telephone): Thanks for having me, Nancy.
GRACE: Dale, I`m stunned that Cosby still wants to make more money. I mean, he`s got an estimated value at hundreds of millions of dollars.
But not only does he go back to the stage, but then cracks jokes about his alleged rape victims? What happened, Dale? You were actually kicked out
for filming the arrests.
CARRUTHERS: Yes. It was the second night of his three-city (INAUDIBLE) tour in Canada. And I was at the Budweiser Gardens. I was out
in the concourse. And I saw police and security picking up two men. One of the men was the person who yelled, You are a rapist, midway through the
set. So he was being kicked out. And I start to film it with my cell phone, and that`s when I was kicked out for filming it.
GRACE: Now, were you there when Cosby cracked the rape joke?
CARRUTHERS: I was -- yes, I was at the venue.
GRACE: OK, what happened?
CARRUTHERS: A woman in the front row got up, and there was some sort of exchange between them. And she said, Do you want a drink? And then he
said, You have to be careful about drinking around me. And the crowd of about 1,500 all groaned.
GRACE: Everybody, You are seeing Dale Carruthers being arrested. Bill Cosby cracks a rape joke on stage. Bill Cosby, back on stage, cracks
a rape joke. When people began to heckle him back after his rape joke, they get hauled out and arrested. Take a look at this video.
Joining me right now, Donna Motsinger, accusing Bill Cosby of sex assault. For those of you just joining us, Bill Cosby cracking rape jokes
on stage. He still gets a standing ovation. Ms. Motsinger, thank you for being with us.
DONNA MOTSINGER, ACCUSES COSBY OF SEXUAL ASSAULT (via telephone): Certainly.
GRACE: I can`t imagine how this makes you feel, when you find out he`s still getting standing ovations and is actually cracking jokes about
his rape accusers.
MOTSINGER: That`s why I agreed to talk now because if he would just go away, I`ll just go away. But he won`t go away, and the arrogance that
he`s displaying after all of these allegations -- I`m here to support the real brave women that came out first.
GRACE: Ms. Motsinger, tell us what your story is.
MOTSINGER: Well, quickly, I worked at a place called the Trident Restaurant in Sausalito. That`s a little bit north of San Francisco. And
it was owned by the Kingston Trio, who at that time were very famous, and very famous people came to that restaurant.
One day I was working the day shift, and I had my son, Jeff (ph), who was about 10 years old -- had him there with me. And Bill Cosby was, of
course, doing his magnificent thing and everybody was laughing and he was entertaining. But somehow, he was attracted to me. And he asked my son to
have dinner with him. They had dinner. He -- my -- we -- of course, we were all honored, and you know, this is the famous Bill Cosby. We went
home.
The next day, I come back to work, he`s there again, and he asked if he could call my son Jeff on the phone. He did. He called him and they
had a long talk. And he was very attentive to me, and I was, of course, in awe, you know, that he was -- thought that I was attractive or whatever.
I went home -- I lived in Mill Valley at the time. And I`m walking down the sidewalk to my house, and he pulls up in a little sports car, and
he said, Would you like to go with me to my show tonight? I`m going to -- I`m having a show at -- it was a place south of San Francisco -- and would
you like to go? And I said, Oh, yes, that`d be great. I was all excited.
And so that night, he picked me up in -- it was a limo and there was a limo driver. We head south towards Circle and Star Theater, which was --
it`s in Santa Clara, down south of San Francisco. We stopped for gas. I have -- he gives me a glass of wine. I drink the glass of wine.
We get to the venue. I`m -- go and watch -- Diahann Carroll was opening for him, and so I went to watch a little of that. I left the
dressing room and went to watch just a little bit of Diahann Carroll, and I started feeling really bad. So I went back to the dressing room and I
asked him for an aspirin, thinking that would -- might made me feel better. He has somebody hand him a pill, which I think is an aspirin. I take it.
The next thing I can remember is that I`m being escorted -- he`s holding my arm, and somebody`s on the other side of me, and they`re putting
me in the limo, and I`m really, like -- everything is just all distorted. Then it goes blank again, and then I`m headed back toward San Francisco. I
kind of wake up, and he`s got his hands on me. And I`m seeing the skyline. When you come back from that area, you see all the lights of San Francisco.
And they`re all blurry and everything is distorted, and I don`t know what`s happening. And I black out again. The next thing I remember...
GRACE: Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wait! Wa-wait. For those of you just tuning in, with me in the wake of Bill Cosby taking to the stage and making jokes
about his alleged rape victims, speaking out now, joining us tonight exclusively, Donna Motsinger, telling her story of an alleged attack by
Bill Cosby.
Ms. Motsinger, you stated that you were woozy. You were seeing the skyline. And Cosby had his hands on you. Where?
MOTSINGER: Just -- I just remember, just like, around -- had his arms around me holding me and his hands were, like, across my chest. That`s all
I can remember.
GRACE: OK.
MOTSINGER: Now this is in 1972. And I`m 73 years old now, so I`m doing the best I -- the actual -- the actual thing that happened, it was
never out of my mind. Little specific details maybe, but the actual incident never left my mind.
So we -- the next thing that I remember, it`s the next morning. I`m in my own bed by myself with nothing on but my underwear, and I have been
assaulted.
GRACE: How did you know, Ms. Motsinger, that you had been assaulted? Are you saying you were raped?
MOTSINGER: What I`m saying is -- I -- you know, it`s, like, I don`t - - so far, when people have asked me, I don`t want to go into graphic details. But you know when you`ve been -- when someone has had their way
with you. If you`re a woman, you know that, and I knew that.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I said, You raped me, Bill Cosby. You raped me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s a serial rapist, actually.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bruise marks all over me. I knew I was raped by him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An opportunist, always on the ready, perhaps, for his next victim.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was stalking us, stalking us. He`s a predator.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bill Cosby`s a tacky (ph) rapist!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: In the last hours, we learn that Cosby goes back to the stage. Let`s see that video. Dale Carruthers actually kicked out for filming a
Bill Cosby heckler`s arrest. Believe it or not, Cosby actually cracking jokes on stage about his alleged rape victims. This is the video that got
Dale Carruthers kicked out of the venue for actually filming a Cosby heckler, who actually heckles back at Cosby when he makes fun of the
alleged rape victims.
I mean, Jean Casarez, doesn`t this guy have enough money? What`s his estimated worth, Jean?
CASAREZ: Nancy, we were just talking about it. He is probably, I would say, the wealthiest, if not one of the wealthiest television
personalities that has ever come out of Hollywood. I mean, I think, Nancy, it goes on into the millions upon millions.
GRACE: I believe I saw a figure of around $400 million. Michael Christian, what do we know about his net worth? There -- oh, never mind --
$350 million reported net worth. That`s that we know of.
But he`s back on the stage, Steve Helling, "People" magazine write. And he brings the whole thing up himself, Steve Helling. He`s the one that
cracks a joke about his alleged rape victims. And then when the audience heckles him back, they get dragged out and arrested.
STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: That`s the most baffling thing about this, is that he brought it up. You know, I was at his show in
November, and he didn`t say a word. Nobody said a word, no hecklers, no anything. And then look what happens. He actually brings it up when
nobody was asking him about it.
And this is not funny. This is not something to joke about. This is not something to laugh about. And because he did that, he saw what the
reaction was.
GRACE: You know, another thing about that, Jean Casarez. You and I have covered so many rape cases. I`ve prosecuted so many rape cases.
There are women to this day that cannot even say the word "rape." They can`t bring themselves to say, I was raped. It`s extremely traumatic for
them.
And then to have someone cracking jokes about it on the stage and getting a standing ovation -- you know, I don`t know what that says about
the audience. But I know this. Rape is a violent felony. And this guy, Bill Cosby, America`s dad, has got a count of nearly 30 women that claim he
assaulted them.
And joining me tonight is Donna Motsinger, who is speaking out on an incident where she says Cosby sexually molested her -- completely
unsuspecting, takes -- once again, has a drink, next thing you know, she can`t remember a thing. How many times have we heard that story? Look at
these pictures, protesters taking to the streets, but still no justice.
Donna Motsinger, again, thank you for being with us.
MOTSINGER: I wanted to say something, Nancy. That`s so funny that you say that, about the victims not wanting to say "rape" because that`s
been me. And my husband has -- he`s always encouraged me, when you talk to somebody, say the word. But there`s something -- I don`t understand how
you knew that, but there`s something where you don`t want to say that.
GRACE: You know what, Ms. Motsinger? I wish you were right here with me right now because I just got all -- on my whole body chill bumps. I was
remembering the last serial rape case I tried, and there was one lady, I remember her very well -- I would say she was probably in her mid-50s --
who actually -- trying to tell the jury about the rape put her head down on the witness stand and could not even form the words. I had to lead my own
witness. She just could not form the words. Now, luckily, my jury was prepared because they had already heard from many other women this guy had
raped, so they knew what was about to come, and they understood why she couldn`t form those words.
Ms. Motsinger, what is it -- what is it that disturbs you the most? Because when we were talking, you said, I knew he had had his way with me
when I woke up the next morning.
MOTSINGER: I think what -- personally, for me, is that I -- I -- when it happened to me, I thought, What did I do? And I also didn`t even think
it was against the law. What disturbed -- why I finally came out and told -- I came out in 2005 for the case with -- that -- that he settled, and I
gave my testimony for that, thinking at that time that she and I were the only two. I honestly believed that, still in 2005.
And so when I started watching all these women come out, I felt like what was really bothering me -- I was carrying this weight that I was just
hiding, and I needed to come out and support them. What I think bothers me now the most at this moment in time is the arrogance and the -- the -- this
flippant attitude, like, what in the world is wrong with him?
I sent his lawyer an e-mail over two months ago when this first started happening. I said, I don`t need to tell my story. There`s enough.
Just have him go away. For some reason, he doesn`t go away. For some reason, he wants to -- he evokes this -- this -- this feeling inside you,
where it has to all be -- you`re victimized again.
GRACE: You know, something that you just said -- two things really hurt my heart. One, you said you woke up completely naked. You know he
had, in your words, had his way with you.
MOTSINGER: Yes.
GRACE: And your first thought was, What did I do?
MOTSINGER: Yes.
GRACE: I heard you say that, as if you did something wrong. And you also said, I didn`t even think it was against the law.
MOTSINGER: Also I worked with such powerful people, and I had to take care -- I was a single mom. I had to take care of a 10-year-old by myself.
I didn`t think I would ever be believed. I kept it a secret.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was Dr. Huxtable. He was America`s dad. Everybody loved him. I loved him. I wanted him to be my dad.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He gave me a pill.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He made me a drink.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Different assorted pills. I want you to take a couple of these. Don`t -- you have to be relaxed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I took one sip, and I felt something very strange going on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very drugged.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He drugged me and my roommate.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I blacked out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: In the last hours, we learn that Bill Cosby takes to the stage and actually makes a joke about his alleged rape victims. It`s not a
secret anymore. Take a look at what just happened last night at the Golden Globes.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
AMY POEHLER, ACTOR: In "Into the Woods," Cinderella runs from her prince, Rapunzel is thrown from a tower for her prince, and Sleeping Beauty
just thought she was getting coffee with Bill Cosby.
(LAUGHTER)
TINA FEY, ACTOR: You know, actually -- I don`t know if -- I don`t know if you guys saw this on the news today, but Bill Cosby has finally
spoken out about the allegations against him. Cosby admitted to a reporter, I put the pills in the people! The people did not want the pills
in them!
POEHLER: No, Tina, that -- hey, that`s not right. That`s not right. It`s more like, I got the pills in my bathrobe and I put them in the
people!
FEY: You`re right. (INAUDIBLE) got to be, like, I put the pills in the hoagie.
POEHLER: Yes, that`s it.
FEY: Yes.
POEHLER: That`s it. That`s fair.
FEY: That seems fair.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video courtesy of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association and Dick Hart Productions of Amy Poehler and Tina Fey hosting last night`s
Golden Globes.
You know, Ms. Motsinger -- with me, Donna Motsinger speaking out about an incident where she says Cosby sexually assaulted her. She was a single
mom and did not think she would be believed. You know, Amy Poehler and Tina Fey -- they may be telling a joke, but you know what? They`re putting
it out there. They are putting it out there that this is for real.
And I want to know, when you think back on that moment, Ms. Motsinger, when you woke up and looked down and you were naked, and you know somebody
had sex with you -- what do you want to do about it? Does it not make you feel (ph) crazy?
MOTSINGER: It made me -- I wanted to protect my child. He was -- oh, my goodness, he remembers to this day, he`s 53 years old. He remembers
what he ate. We were so taken aback -- you have to understood, at that time Bill Cosby -- there was God and then there was Bill Cosby, so I wanted
to protect my child from that, and I wanted to protect my income. And I wanted to never have anybody ever know. That`s all I remember. No one
could ever know. And I didn`t tell anyone until I married two years later, my husband. And then later on when my children were teens, I told them.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was given something to drink, a clear liquid.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pulled me to him very aggressively. (inaudible), reaches under my skirt, pulls my panties down, bends me over,
and does his business.
CROWD: Bill Cosby is a rapist.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was on top of me. He was forcefully kissing me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: In the last hours, Bill Cosby takes to the stage yet again and actually cracks jokes about his alleged rape victims. Also with us
tonight, Donna Motsinger, speaking out for one of the first times about a sex assault incident with Cosby. And Dale Carruthers thrown out of an
event for filming a Bill Cosby heckler`s arrest. Dale, why did you have to be thrown out? What was so wrong with you getting video of this heckler
getting arrested?
CARRUTHERS: The venue said I broke their no filming policy upon entering the building. We were told we can`t record audio or visuals of
the show.
GRACE: So you of all people get thrown out, when you are actually filming the arrest of a heckler. And for those people just joining us,
Dale, what started the heckling of Bill Cosby, when he cracked a joke about his rape victims, his alleged rape victims?
CARRUTHERS: It was midway through his 90-minute set in London, and this wasn`t the first heckle. Someone else yelled out "we hate you" a
couple minutes before. So then security was on to them, and they started to gather in the area where they heard the heckle, and that`s when a man
yelled out, "you`re a rapist."
GRACE: Everyone, you`re seeing footage right there of Cosby`s show during which he actually cracked a joke about his alleged rape victims.
With me, Donna Motsinger, who is telling her story tonight. She was moved by all the women coming out with claims that Cosby raped them.
Ms. Motsinger, you said that you were a single mom at the time of your encounter with Cosby and that you thought you A, had done something wrong
and B, did not realize what had happened to you was against the law, and you said that only later, much later in life, you told your husband and
your children. What did you tell your husband?
MOTSINGER: I told him exactly what I -- I told him right away exactly what I told you, and then I waited until my children were older, in their
teens. They asked me one day why do you keep turning off the TV when he`s on there? So I told them in their teens. They`re all grown now, they are
older, but I told them the story. And I had a few close friends I told.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, joining me Andell Brown from Miami, Darryl Cohen, former prosecutor now a defense attorney out of Atlanta, and
psychologist from New York, Pat Saunders. First to you, Andell Brown. As you know, the police are now investigating his alleged assault on a then
teen girl.
BROWN: Yes, we`ve heard about this investigation. But what I find troubling about this is the fact that they`re saying they know the statute
of limitations has already run on this alleged incident. Why is the police department dedicating manpower and resources to a case they`re admitting,
even if they find information, can`t be prosecuted. I don`t understand that.
GRACE: What I don`t understand is what you just said. Because if a wrongdoing has been committed, it needs to be investigated, and this is
why. If that same wrongdoing happens again, those incidents can be similar transactions and brought in at court, Darryl Cohen.
COHEN: Yes. That`s exactly when you bring it in, that`s exactly when you investigate it, not now, when the statute of limitations is gone.
GRACE: That`s not true.
COHEN: Nancy, that`s ridiculous. The co-hosts of the Golden Globes, they can make a joke about this and that`s okay? But he can`t?
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Actually making a joke about your alleged rape victims is a lot different from what Tina Fey and Amy Poehler did, and if you can`t see
that, I`ll be happy to play it back to you. Michael Christian, the nature of his joke cracked by Bill Cosby on the stage was what?
CHRISTIAN: Well, what happened, Nancy, was that a woman in the audience got up and left. She was sitting down toward the front. Bill
Cosby was reacting with her, and asked where she was going, and she said she had to go out and get a drink. Then she offered to get one for Cosby as
well. He declined her offer, saying he already had a bottle of water, and then he added, quote, "you have to be careful about drinking around me."
GRACE: You know what, Jean Casarez, CNN correspondent, Cosby already has a defamation lawsuit against him for publicly claiming that one of
these ladies was lying on him, all right? Since the time she filed that lawsuit, another one of his alleged rape victims has joined when he keeps
saying they`re lying on me. They`re suing him back for defamation, and cracking this joke in front of a public venue, it`s not going to help
anything.
CASAREZ: It`s interesting. It`s a federal defamation suit, in Massachusetts, and you are right, accusers are joining the suit probably as
we speak. Also want to tell you, Nancy, there`s an exception in the law that allows people who were juveniles who were sexually abused to bring
suit many years later, because psychologically it takes the brain that long sometimes to understand what you`ve gone through.
GRACE: You know what you`re saying, Jean, applies directly to the case that Andell Brown and Darryl Cohen are whining about, that it should
not be investigated, because she`s a teen at the time that happened to her, is that correct?
CASAREZ: Exactly right, and there`s already been one, and the LAPD has decided not to bring charges. Chloe Gaines is another one, her
attorney says they`re going to LAPD this week.
GRACE: Did you catch that nuance, Andell Brown and Darryl Cohen, when you are raped as a minor, as a teen, that can extend the statute in some
jurisdictions. Thoughts?
COHEN: Nancy, certainly that can happen. How old were these women, they suddenly have -- I have a 30 year memory loss, it took me 30 years to
remember? Why didn`t they reach out before? Come on.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: First you`re arguing it can`t go forward because of the statute of limitations. But now that you`ve been corrected, that in the
one case where the girl was then a teen and there is a chance it can go forward, you now have a new argument.
COHEN: No, I have the same argument. It`s not going to go forward criminally because the statute of limitations has run, period.
GRACE: Andell.
BROWN: As Mr. Cohen has said, the statute of limitations, even though when there`s an allegation that happens under the age of maturity, still
has a limit. After you reach the age of maturity, it begins to run. 30, 40 years ago is way too long to bring that up now for criminal matters.
GRACE: To Dr. Patricia Saunders, joining me out of New York. Something that Ms. Motsinger just said, the arrogance of going back to the
stage and mocking the alleged rape victims.
SAUNDERS: The contempt for the victims under the guise of good old dad Bill, but Jean really nailed it when she pointed out that sexual
assault, rape, for a young person has devastating effects on the development of the brain, and that gives the attorneys more latitude. And
up to the judges, how to use that.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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And to tonight`s case alert. Miracle, a missing Ohio girl found safe. Kaitlyn Walters vanishes from her Burbank home. Kaitlyn located in
Knoxville, Kentucky. 27-year-old Kentucky man, Walter Dunn, just after we air her missing story, is arrested in connection with her disappearance.
And stunning developments tonight after feds accuse Real Housewife Theresa Giudice of stealing $2.6 million from taxpayers. In the last
hours, we learn Giudice has been granted an early release from jail. She`s set to walk free early. But in the meantime, let the whining begin.
Complaints about everything from restrictions on her hair extensions, a lack of high-end beauty products, and, of course, the food.
This as we get a sneak peak inside the Real Housewives mansion now on the block to pay for her family`s over the top lavish, extravagant
lifestyle.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was one thing I`ll never forget.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible) of her federal prison sentence for financial fraud, insiders tell Radar Online that Giudice is complaining
about the prison food and the mandatory ban on hair extensions.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Tonight we learn that a full 54 whopping days have already been lopped off the Real Housewife of New Jersey Theresa Giudice`s prison
sentence. This after feds accuse her of stealing $4.6 million from the taxpayers. She hasn`t even been there what, a week? Candace Trunzo,
senior news editor of DailyMail.com, she`s already got time lopped off, 54 days missing?
CANDACE TRUNZO, DAILYMAIL.COM: Not only that, Nancy, besides the fact that she only has to serve 85 percent of her sentence, she can lop off
another 10 percent, which would put her out by next Christmas, according to federal law, unless she does something really egregious. She can be out by
next Christmas and serve a few months from home and even be able to go to work and do Real Housewives if she still has that job.
GRACE: Hold on. So that makes her sentence -- check out this mansion. Let`s take a look inside the mansion now on sale to try and pay
off some of the family`s lavish spending. Take a look as we are scrolling through the New Jersey Housewife`s home. We know that she made a top
secret 3:00 a.m. surrender at the ladies` federal penitentiary in full hair and makeup after stopping for a breakfast sandwich at a local diner. That
must be the wine cellar. Okay. Candace Trunzo, I understand not only has she already been granted an early release date, lopping off at least 54
days off her sentence, we also learn the whining has begun. Everything from, of course, food, food, food. But to the fact that she has
restrictions on her hair extensions and beauty products. What can you tell me?
TRUNZO: She`s probably used to the finest. I`m sure she goes and shops at (inaudible) and buys top of the line or one of the department
stores. She`s restricted to soaps like Ivory and Dove. She can use a little mascara. She can use a little lip gloss. But in terms of the heavy
makeup that she`s used to, in terms of the hair extensions, she can`t --
GRACE: Wait. Wait. Why am I seeing she can have hummus, macaroons, tuna, cilantro cubes, Oreos, Dove bars, wildberry frozen yogurt? mp3
player with Skullcandy earbuds? Is this available at the Danbury women`s prison? Am I looking at a spa menu?
TRUNZO: No. This is the way it is. This is a low security, minimum security prison. She`s entitled to go to the commissary a few times a
month and be able to buy whatever she can afford within reason.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s been a whole week behind bars, and reports are the star of the Real Housewives of New Jersey is already complaining
about her time in federal lockup. She`s not happy with the prison food and is hoping to get a job in the kitchen to improve the quality.
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GRACE: This as we learn in the last hour, she`s already gotten an early release date. After being accused of stealing $4.6 million from the
taxpayers. This is the home that we`re getting a look at. Her family has put it on sale to try to pay for their lavish, over the top lifestyle. I
don`t know what that is. It looks like a palace in Versailles. Apparently, this is the home of Theresa Giudice, the New Jersey housewife.
OK, Matt Zarrell, I take it some beauty expert has put together a beauty regime for Theresa behind bars?
ZARRELL: Yes. There are suggestions as to items that she can get at the commissary that can substitute for beauty products. Kind of like what
you would see in the "Orange is the New Black" TV show. Same prison, same situation.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Andell Brown, Miami, Darryl Cohen, Atlanta. Okay. Andell Brown, the feds accuse her of stealing $4.6 million
from the taxpayers. Why am I hearing about someone putting together a beauty regime for her and her complaining about having to give up her hair
extensions? Why?
BROWN: Nancy, first of all, let`s be honest here. Everybody has the same amount of time when they go to federal prison. There`s nothing
extraordinary --
GRACE: Can you address my question?
BROWN: -- or unusual about the fact that she has an early release date.
The beauty regimen that he has put together involves things like oatmeal, coffee grinds and Vaseline. That`s far from luxurious or
glamorous.
GRACE: To Darryl Cohen, I think that what you and Mr. Brown are missing is the fact that this woman is accused by the feds of stealing over
$4 million from taxpayers. That`s me. That`s you. That`s my mother, who is still teaching piano. She has got her hand stuffed down my mother`s
back pocket.
COHEN: Nancy, first of all, she`s serving time. She has been convicted or entered a plea. There is a difference. Wasn`t just accused.
But look, you can`t be a real housewife while you are incarcerated. She`s trying to stay in the spotlight, and the foolish media is following every
move she makes.
GRACE: To Patricia Saunders, I`m covering it because I`m shocked she`s getting 54 days lopped off her sentence.
SAUNDERS: I`m shocked about that, too. What the attorney just said about she`s really trying to make the best of it. She is a glory hound.
She wants to be in the limelight.
GRACE: What`s stunning to me is this early release date. Now she has at least 54 days just lopped off the top of her sentence. So much for the
federal penitentiary and their strict nature.
Let`s stop and remember American hero Army Sergeant Curtis Norris. Just 28, Dansville, Michigan, Bronze Star, Purple Heart. Loved basketball
and body building. Dreamed of becoming a police officer. Parents, William and Connie. One brother, widow, Rose, daughter Kira. Curtis Norris,
American hero.
Drew up next. I will see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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