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Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney will Meet Privately to Talk About Leadership Inside the Republican Party; Police Kill an Unarmed Man; Patriots Quarterback Tom Brady Expected to Speak; Two Former Collegiate Athletes Sue NCAA

Aired January 22, 2015 - 15:30   ET

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JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We have a quote by them saying due to loss of confidence in Nettleton's ability to command. According to a military official, this came about during the investigation into the death of a civilian who worked there at the base.

Nettleton allegedly had an affair with the man's wife which violates the code of military justice. Just a few hours ago, the defense secretary was asked about the investigation.

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CHUCK HAGEL, DEFENSE SECRETARY: Well, the base commander has been relieved. It is now in the clear view of appropriate authority. So I won't have anything to say specifically about that which would be inappropriate.

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CARROLL: Well, loss of confidence as we mentioned there during the statement can be interpreted Brooke in many ways. One military insider described it to me this way basically saying that officers in command are held to a high moral standard and a special trust. And if their superior loses confidence in that officer, especially if it has to do with that officer's moral judgment, that officer can be relieved of duty.

Right now, just want to point out Nettleton does not face any criminal charges, any charges at all for that matter. Again, he has just been temporarily reassigned pending the outcome of that investigation -- Brooke.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: So then with the investigation, if they conclude that he did have an affair, what kind of punishment was the captain face?

CARROLL: Well, you know, again just to point out, he's not facing any criminal charges even if he is found to have committed adultery. That would not be a criminal charge. There would be no charge with that at all. He could simply be reassigned permanently. Right now it's a temporary reassignment. He could permanently be reassigned again for that lack and loss of confidence in his abilities to command -- Brooke. BALDWIN: All right Jason Carroll. Thank you very much.

Have to talk about this other police shooting. This one making headlines here where this officer shoots a man who appears to have his hands out in front of him. But there is a much bigger picture to this story. We will play for you this exchange between the officers and the man led up to the shooting. That is next.

Plus, doing what Patriot's quarterback Tom Brady expected to speak in near minutes. The big question, did he know those footballs from last Sunday's game were deflated? Did the Pat's cheat? We'll bring you Tom Brady live coming up.

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BALDWIN: Police kill an unarmed man, and it is caught on camera. You will see exactly how even though the victim put his hands out in front of him. He still gets shot.

Now, let me back up. This happened December 30th when two Bridgeton, New Jersey police officers pull over this car. This is apparently just a routine traffic stop. Jerome Reed (ph), 36 years of age was the passenger. And the driver he was with allegedly ran a stop sign. This is how it started.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got a driver's license?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I got my driver's license.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You grab it for me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show me your hands.

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BALDWIN: The officer had spotted a gun in the glove compartment. His partner removed it. But that did not keep things from turning tragic. Here's the rest.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show me your hands.

Show me your (bleep) hands.

Don't (bleep) move.

Don't you (bleep) move.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get him out of the car. We got a gun in the glove compartment. I'm going to shoot you. You're going to be (bleep) dead. I'm telling you. You reach for something, you're going to be (bleep) dead. I'm telling you. Keep your (bleep) hands right there. You reach for something, you're going to be (bleep) dead. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's reaching. He's reaching. Show me your

(bleep) hands.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, you're not. Don't (bleep) move. Don't (bleep) move. Don't you (bleep) move.

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BALDWIN: With me now, Wallace Zeins, a former hostage negotiator with the NYPD. Detective sergeant, 30 years on the force.

It is so good to see you, sir and welcome.

WALLACE ZEINS, FORMER NYPD HOSTAGE NEGOTIATOR: Thank you for having me.

BALDWIN: First, just from your police officer purview, what did you see in that video?

ZEINS: Well first of all, most police officers do get hurt or killed on car stops. It's a known fact, number one statistic. You're trained to be extremely cautious. There's procedures that we follow. And these officers were following procedure. They were told that there was a gun inside that vehicle. But police officers don't just stop when they find one gun. They have to search that person until they're comfortable where their life is now in danger.

In this particular incident, they told him to stop at numerous times. He kept moving around. And such a confined area, there's always the possibility another gun could be under the seat on the person's person or anywhere else.

BALDWIN: It is interesting. As a police officer, you have to assume there could be one gun, there could be multiple guns. You see, I think, the difficult part in a sense, is you see the guy's hands out of the car. But at the same time, you point out, multiple times, we -- I have the officer told Jerome Reed (ph) telling him not to move eight different times. So when you have someone eight times not complying with the request from an officer --

ZEINS: A, there's something fishy going on. And eventually, that person has to be taken out of the car and has to be patted down as we could.

BALDWIN: But why not taken out of the car and patted down versus what we just saw happen?

ZEINS: Because a, he could have a gun hidden somewhere in the vehicle. B, he could have the gun on his person. The person has to be taken out of that vehicle, has to be put in a position where that person is off balance and the police officer can do a search of that individual to see if there is another gun.

BALDWIN: So based upon what you saw and what you know of this, it was a justified shooting?

ZEINS: It was a justified shooting in my opinion. And I'm sure the district attorney will make their determination and grand jury.

BALDWIN: OK. Detective Sergeant, thank you so much. Come back.

ZEINS: Thank you for having me.

BALDWIN: Appreciate your 30 years.

Next, Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, they could, could be potential Republican rivals in 2016 in competing for donors. But today they are meeting. Why? And how awkward might that get?

Plus Tom Brady, New England Patriots quarterback expected to speak shortly. We're going to speak to a former Pat's quarterback to get his take. He knows Tom Brady. Right after this.

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BALDWIN: Talk about awkward. Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney will soon meet privately to talk about the leadership inside the Republican party. To be a fly on the wall in the meeting when they face off without cameras rolling. Jeb Bush requested to get together long before Romney's announcement that he too is considering a 2016 presidential bid.

The meeting for Romney's home, Turf in Utah. Bush landed in Tall Lale City just a short time ago. But who has the scoop? None other than our chief political analyst Gloria Borger.

And walk me through what you know, who called the meeting, how they're apparently just being gentlemen about this and meeting any way.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, first, let me say the story was broken by Jonathan Martin in the "New York Times" this morning. This is not a meeting that either camp really wanted publicized as you can imagine.

BALDWIN: Well.

BORGER: And you know, it started when Jeb Bush indicated that he might want to run for presidency. He was going out to the west coast. Decided it would be a really nice gesture, because he's a very polite man, to pay his respects to Mitt Romney. And then low and behold, Mitt Romney indicates that he's thinking about it again.

So, as you point out, awkward. These are two men who have some history here. They've always gotten along. But I think Romney felt that Bush was not as supportive of him as he could have been for him in 2008 and 2012. He was critical the way Romney ran of campaign. And the Romney people have been saying, you know, Jeb really doesn't have enough experience on the national stage. Maybe his links to wall street could be difficult for him. So there is a bit of tension going into this meeting Brooke.

BALDWIN: So you have all of that, but then you also have -- you know, here if they're considering running, they have to have money. And they are -- they would potentially be in this battle for donors. BORGER: Well, I think the donors are feeling really split

particularly in the establishment wing of the Republican party. I spoke to a donor this morning who said to me, look, they better figure this out because we're kind of wondering which of them is going to run. And if both of them are going to run, and they're both asking us for money, we're going to have to take sides pretty early.

Meantime, the folks on the more conservative wing of the party are kind of enjoying this. I spoke to one today who called it the great moderate's club. The more the merrier. We don't want to be a part of that.

So, you know, it's an interesting situation which by the way, I don't think anybody would have anticipated three or four months ago.

BALDWIN: Well, now that it's out there, maybe we'll hear a little something about it after the fact.

BORGER: Yes. Maybe they'll pose for a photo and wave to the crowd.

BALDWIN: A little something, something.

Gloria Borger, thank you very much for that.

BORGER: Sure.

BALDWIN: And now the big question, did Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheat? The quarterback himself would rest the scandal involving those deflated balls in a moment. we will bring it to you live. Live pictures. We're watching and waiting for Tom Brady.

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BALDWIN: All right. We are getting some news here on this class action lawsuit here involving these two former collegiate athletes who are basically arguing they did not get a proper education for playing at their school. And so, this is all involving that recent scandal that we've covered involving my own alma mater, UNC Chapel Hill about the classes and getting bonus grades.

So now this lawsuit, let me bring in Sarah Ganim who has much, much more on this and can walk us through this.

Let's talk about these two students who are suing not just the NCAA, but also UNC chapel hill.

SARAH GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. And I would actually say not just UNC that they're suing claiming that they didn't get a proper education. They are suing the NCAA in a class action suit which means they are anticipating that other athletes across the country can join in and sue the NCAA.

They are saying that what happened to them at UNC, getting forced into bogus classes, getting fake grades to boost their GPA, they are saying this is more normal in college athletics than we would all like to believe. They are saying it didn't just happen at UNC. In fact, the lawsuit which is pretty large, Brooke. It is more than

100 -- about 100 pages, I haven't gotten through all of it yet. But I did see that they cite academic fraud at many universities, Syracuse, Berkeley, Michigan State, University of Georgia, Auburn, Florida State, University of Michigan, just to name a few of the cases that they cited. There's 37 cases since 1990 and they are saying this is an epidemic basically, that athletes are playing, they are generating revenue for their universities and for the NCAA and they are not getting that promised education in return. The lawyer who filed this actually said that the NCAA had failed these athletes in a quote, "spectacular fashion," has broken the promise to give them an education in a return for playing their sport.

BALDWIN: Here's the pushback. And I promise it's not just because I went to UNC Chapel Hill. Because it infuriates me and I get emails from, you know, young aspiring journalists all the time, you know. And they want to talk to me. But beyond that, we talked a lot about what's happened at their school. And a lot of them are really fearful that having their diploma, never having done any of this will devalue, right, when they are trying to get a job.

And so totally separate from what you're talking about. But I do want to toss to a conversation I had with Rashad McCants, who was like this superstar player at Carolina. And it was his sister who was involved in this lawsuit, not Rashad. Let me say that 100 times over. But I pressed him on this notion, all of this, he took these classes, why did he do this. Watch.

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RASHAD MCCANTS, STUDENT PLAYER: All the athletes that were high profile athletes being steered to these no attendance classes which are called paper classes to keep our GPAs up so that we can stay eligible to play and continue to, you know, bring in revenue for their universities.

BALDWIN: I applaud 100 percent, Rashad, for having this, you know, conscience and coming out and being forthright and honest about it now. But I mean, I go back to then, like forgive me, but I'm pissed off about this because I got my degree from Carolina. I love the basketball team. You guys are Gods on campus. And to think that for so many years, you all were complicit in this whole -- it was a lie, it was cheating. At any point did you say I should raise my hand and say something?

MCCANTS: It was a system. You got to understand, this is not just at Carolina. This is at all universities across the country. This is just an example of what the NCAA allows.

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BALDWIN: That Rashad McCants. I appreciated him coming on and allowing me to just sort of ask him tougher questions but it's his sister. Talk to me about these two former athletes who are suing.

GANIM: The two who are sued are Rashnoda McCants, Rashad's sister and a former football player at UNC, Devin Rambino.

Devin had actually been caught cheating or allegedly cheating in 2010. He was suspended. He appealed his suspension and won and got to go back to school and finished his degree.

Rashonda McCants is a basketball player now playing overseas. She also graduated. But a lot of the cases, a lot of these academic fraud cases involving these athletes and what they alleged in the lawsuit is they went there and they didn't get in return what they gave. So we have been hearing this over the last year as we are talking a lot about former athletes will say things like that's not the major I wanted to major in. You forced me to do that.

BALDWIN: So they felt forced, because part of me is thinking OK, if they, you know, were aware of these courses, were aware that they were cheating themselves in a sense, this is what some people would say, and how do they have grounds to sue?

GANIM: So they are saying they were not aware these were bogus classes. But their advisors basically on day one said here, this is your major, this is your schedule, doesn't matter if you want to major in criminal justice or premed. You have to do this particular course of study because that fits your schedule. And that's what they're suing over.

You know, when you and I went to college, we got to say I want to be a journalist and we got to pursue that dream. They are saying they got to school and they were told you're going to be a football player. You're going to be a basketball player and that comes first. And when they graduated, they were left shortchanged.

BALDWIN: What a story. Sarah Ganim, you have been on it since the beginning. I appreciate you coming on and breaking that. Thank you so much.

This class action lawsuit meaning other people can jump on the band wagon.

Minutes from now, we are expecting a live news conference with New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. Packed house. Look at all those members of the media watching and waiting in Fox Borough, Massachusetts. He is expected to address the controversy over those underinflated Patriots footballs in last Sunday's win over the Indianapolis colts. It was a huge victory for the Pats. And as the NFL grapples with another possible case of cheating, we are seeing just the opposite at the highest levels of professional tennis.

Number three Rafael Nadal was locked in this knock-down drag out battle in the fifth set at the Australian open when his opponent did the most extraordinary thing. Here is our Richard Roth.

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RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR UNITED NATIONS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You could say this was an act of sportsmanship which left fans inflated. Tennis star Rafael Nadal battled dizzy spells and cramps during a five-set match with American team in the Australian open. Then, as Nadal served for the match in the deciding set, watch and listen to what happens.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you kidding me?

ROTH: Nadal serve went out of play after a fan yelled in the middle of his serve. But instead of capitalizing on the incident, Nadal's opponent held up two fingers to the umpire indicating Nadal should be allowed to keep both of his serves, an act of sportsmanship Nadal appreciated.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quite extraordinary. He has said first serve again.

ROTH: As if the tennis Gods were rewarding them, he then caught all three match points but was finally beaten by an exhausted Nadal. The winner thanked the man who many felt was certainly not a loser in this court drama. Nadal then made sure to talk about the act of sportsmanship and not his own performance.

RAFAEL NADAL, PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER: First of all I want to congratulate Tim, because he's a real gentleman, what he did in the last (INAUDIBLE). Not a lot of people will do something like this 6-5 in the fifth after four hours. So just congratulate him for that.

ROTH: Smyczek was quoted as saying Nadal would probably have done the same thing for him. Nadal's backers tweeted today, one thing to say. Smyczek, class act.

Smyczek reportedly said I know parents would have killed if I didn't. It was the right thing to do.

Richard Roth, CNN, New York.

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BALDWIN: Richard Roth, thank you.

And thank you so much for being with me here on this Thursday. I'm Brooke Baldwin live in New York. Let's take it to Washington now. "the LEAD" with Jake Tapper starts right now.