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Prince Andrew Is Breaking His Silence About The Shocking Sex Allegations; A Pot-Infused Sex Spray That Promise A Much More Satisfying Intense Climax For Woman; YouTube stars Are Asking The President Questions; The Teenage Boy Who Police Say Passed Himself Off As An OB/GYN, A Gynecologist, At A Florida Hospital For A Month

Aired January 22, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, the shocking sex allegations against Prince Andrew. He is now breaking his silence. Plus a pot-infused

sex spray try to promise a much more satisfying intense climax for woman. And YouTube stars are asking the president, our president, questions.

Let us get started with tonight`s "WTF." The most shocking story tonight, dominating social media. Imagine this, you find out your young

doctor in the exam room, a partner seemingly of your gynecologist during an intimate exam in the hospital, not your doctor at all. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: I think this is crazy. I cannot believe he got away with it for a month.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: He is a 17-year-old kid who police say passed himself off as an OB/GYN for a month at St. Mary`s Medical Center in

West Palm Beach, Florida.

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DR. SEBASTIAN KENT, OB/GYN AT ST. MARY`S MEDICAL CENTER: He presented himself with a patient of our practice and introduced himself as

Dr. Robinson.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: According to a police report, multiple nurses and that doctor said the teen was inside the room with the patient

when the doctor was doing an examination. But a hospital spokesperson says the imposter did not have contact with any hospital patients.

Police say he wore a white coat with the hospital`s logo and anesthesiology embroidered on the front. He was busted wearing a mask and

he had a stethoscope around his neck.

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DR. KENT: The first thing I thought was, I am really getting old because these young doctors look younger every year."

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PINSKY: Joining me, Samantha Schacher from "Pop Trigger," Anahita Sedaghatfar, defense attorney, Karamo Brown, social worker. Sam, more

details, are no there?

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER": Yes. Well, first of all, he was pretending to be an OB/GYN. And, earlier, Dr. Drew, Chris Hardwick

called it a real-life "Snatch Me If You Can." And, I thought was hilarious.

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PINSKY: It is hilarious.

SCHACHER: Yes. But, first of all --

PINSKY: But, they need to make up a little hash tag in one of these little balloons with that.

SCHACHER: A meme. Yes.

PINSKY: #snatchmeifyoucan, like that.

SCHACHER: Yes, exactly. OK. So, the mother is coming forward. And, she is saying that her teen son suffers from an undisclosed illness.

He is under the care of a doctor but refused to take his medication. That is why this all happened.

Now, we combs through the police reports and Whoa! Did we find some interesting things, Dr. Drew. So, first of all, the head of security says

the teen was known around the hospital as doctor. OK. Nobody seemed to question him.

Surveillance shows him walking around halls and does not show him entering rooms. However, witnesses say he did enter patients` rooms. It

also seems that he was having mail from two real doctors forwarded to his house. Cops searched the kid`s car and found another lab coat.

This one with, quote, "Natural Medicine," which is misspelled, embroidered on it and scrubs. They also found discharge paperwork from

another hospital. And, get this, Dr. Drew, one doctor says he was present -- the teen was present at his prenatal visit.

PINSKY: Wow! Now, we spoke to the hospital. They say they are still investigating. Police say no crime committed so far. But my question is,

this young person violated HIPAA laws, Anahita. Does not the hospital have a liability here?

ANAHITA SEDAGATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. That is the first thing I thought of when I read this, Dr. Drew. And, it is interesting

because the hospital is saying this kid was never around any patients. He was never in any of the hospital rooms, but the doctor that caught him

caught him in one of the patient rooms while the doctor was doing the exam.

So, we do not know. But, definitely the hospital needs to revamp their security because there are so many HIPAA violations here. This kid

had access to all of these patients` medical records, the documents, medication, medical instruments and God knows what else.

PINSKY: Well, listen --

SEDAGHATFAR: So, not only is this a PR nightmare, but the liability is huge here.

PINSKY: Yes. I mean listen --

SEDAGHATFAR: Massive.

PINSKY: Apparently, as Sam was just saying that he was getting records from a doctor to another. That is a HIPAA protected communication

that any of those patients can look back and go, "Hey! That is my practice."

SEDAGHATFAR: Absolutely.

PINSKY: Right?

SEDAGHATFAR: Absolutely.

PINSKY: So, this is about there being no liability, no wrong doing, this is -- There could be 50 patients that could have a case here or

hundreds. Who knows?

SCHACHER: Wow.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. Their liability is huge here. I mean the fact that he even merely had access to those records is enough for a HIPAA

violation.

PINSKY: Right. Karamo, can you imagine this? Let us say it is a mental health visit and you are in a protected, trusted environment and

this guy weasels his way in somehow. It could take -- maybe never. You could may never restore the confidence of your patience.

KARAMO BROWN, SOCIAL WORKER: You are right about that, Dr. Drew. And, it is very sad. When I heard this story, I automatically was sad for

the little boy who is in this experience and no one is around to protect him. But, then it also made me think --

PINSKY: What? Wait, wait, Karamo. The kid? The kid that is walking around pretending to be a doctor?

BROWN: Yes. He has mental illness. You know, I work with kids and so there is a soft spot in my heart. I think about the fact that there

were medical professionals that were around and at one point no one said, there might be something wrong with this young man.

That is the real issue here. The preoccupation that everyone has with their own life, being busy with their own work that no one could see

that there was a child here dressed as a doctor.

PINSKY: But, Karamo -- Karamo. Let me flip it a little bit. Do not we once again -- The mom knew he was not taking his medication. Do not we

once again have a mom in denial? Listen, did we not learn from Adam Lanza? Did we not learn what could happen when somebody is not well and gets out?

They hurt themselves, they hurt other people if they are not properly managed.

BROWN: Well, you do know I agree with that 100 percent, Dr. Drew. But, we do not know at this particular time what the mother was trying to

do to support her child. What I do know is that there was a whole slew of health professionals that at not one point saw this child and said, "You

know what? Why are you here?"

No one questioned that, because I can tell you if someone came into my office and was working with the youth that I work with, I would say,

"Excuse me, who are you and what are you doing here?" That is the issue.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Sam, we have some tweets up there.

SCHACHER: We do.

PINSKY: Sam, give it to me.

SCHACHER: Yes. We do. And, what a violation, too, for those poor patients because let me remind you, he was pretending to be a gynecologist.

So, he was observing a lot of really intimate experiences, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes.

SCHACHER: OK. So Sherry Baby, she tweets, "How could this happen?? WTF episode. Geese, where is the security? The references? Anything,

background check? Freddie Flapjacks kind of wrote like an impromptu script. "Dr.: I need to do a pap smear. Hot blond patient: But, I

sprained my ankle. Dr.: Trust me, I am a doctor."

PINSKY: You know, it is funny but it is not.

SCHACHER: No, exactly. It is a violation.

PINSKY: And, I will tell you what. You would be amazed how we as physician are trained. Who would -- I guess Karamo, you are expressing

outrage that no one questioned. What that doctor in that little tape we saw was saying is that as you age as a physician, all the interns and

residents look like they are high school students to you.

In fact, here is one that walked in who was a high school student. He went, wow, I am really getting old. But, they throw us in, in training,

very much like this kid walked in. You go into situations you have never been in before.

You asked the attending, you know, I am going to observe what is going on, which is what this kid did, and he was allowed in. Hang on --

Karamo, I am going to have it leave it there. We will hear next from a doctor who works at that hospital. And, how did everyone get fooled? How

does this happen?

And, later, Prince Andrew breaking his silence. What he has to say about some very shocking sex allegations? We are back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Was he doing a Doogie Howser?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE ACTRESS: You cannot admit her all by yourself doctor. You need the attention -

PATRICK HARRIS, AS DOOGIE HOWSER, M.D.: This is an emergency. I cannot admit her, that is exactly what I am doing.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Or pulling a "Catch Me If You Can."

The hospital where a 17-year-old kid posed as an OB/GYN reportedly for a month says no. But people in the area wonder how he got away with

it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: It makes you question are they really doing things the right way around there.

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PINSKY: Back with the Behavior Bureau, Spirit, television host/Psychotherapst; Emily Roberts, Psychotherapist; Wendy Walsh, Clinical

Psychologist. And, that were clips from 20th Television and DreamWorks.

We are talking about the teenage boy who police say passed himself off as an OB/GYN, a gynecologist, at a Florida hospital for a month.

Despite the fact that he was only 17, he fooled many actual physicians and the nurses. Emily, how was this possible?

EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: It seems like they were just super overworked at this hospital in this facility that no one was paying

attention. If someone came into my facility and said, "Hey, I am here to intern." I would say, "Who is your supervisor." There really does not

seem to be anyone who was taking accountability for this kid. So, I think it is a very poorly run hospital, to be honest with you.

PINSKY: We do not really even know if it was a teaching hospital. Wendy, do we?

WENDY WALSH, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: No, we do not. But, you know, you mentioned something earlier, Dr. Drew that you know as the

doctors age, a new generation of interns look younger and younger. That is true. But also, specifically in a teaching hospital, you may have interns

doing all kinds of rotations who may be very, very young.

PINSKY: Yes.

WALSH: So --

PINSKY: Well, that is right. They may have just walked in -- he may have figured out how to go from room to room in such a way that the

physicians thought, you know they would not seen him before. They thought he was just looking to observe a procedure, some particular procedure.

That happens all the time.

WALSH: Exactly.

PINSKY: It is not as though this is so bizarre, if it was a teaching hospital. But, you know, what serviced was he on -- you think somebody

would start raising some questions. What service was he on? Who was the resident supervising him? Who is attending for that service he is in?

Yes, you can see my procedure, but who are you working with? And, he does not seem to have a direct answer. It is really interesting, Spirit.

It just occurred to me, one of the interesting aspects of this is how we as people, particularly people of authority there, trying to be helpful, we

sort of fill.

You know, we do not quite get a specific answer, and we kind of fill it with something. We make an understanding out of it, even though they do

not give us the facts.

SPIRIT CLANTON, PSYCHOTHERAPIST/T.V. HOST: Right. Exactly. We just make it fit. But, you know, Dr. Drew, the other part of this you mentioned

in the first segment was about mom. I am thinking, my 17-year-old son who has a mental health problem who is not taking his meds, where does he go

all these hours?

PINSKY: Yes.

CLANTON: And, how come I do not know where he is?

WALSH: Right.

PINSKY: That is right.

CLANTON: And, is he taking the lab coat and stethoscope home every day or does he have a locker at the hospital? Why are we all on autopilot

and nobody is asking the question?

PINSKY: That is exactly -- Spirit, I think you are right on target there. That is, specifically, exactly what I am thinking. We have to have

the lights on and think about these things, everybody.

CLANTON: Yes.

PINSKY: Everybody needs to be aware and thinking about these things. But I agree. The mom, Wendy, is what bothers me a lot here. How many

stories do we have to do about parents in denial?

Listen, I am sympathetic to the pain it is in terms -- of coming to terms with this kind of thing, but if somebody is endangering themselves or

someone else and specific treatment and interventions have been recommended, we got to hold parents accountable at some level.

WALSH: Before I ever blame a mom, Dr. Drew, I always want more information.

PINSKY: Yes. All right.

WALSH: Was she a single mom?

PINSKY: Fair enough.

WALSH: Was she having to work three jobs to support three kids? Was he lying to her and telling her that he was at the homework hangout every

afternoon? I mean there are lots more information out there.

PINSKY: Now, amongst the evidence found in this teen`s car was discharge papers from a different hospital in the area. So, there is

another serious HIPAA problem there. He had been posing as a physician at that facility as well, evidently.

As we said, the mom refused, at least he says to the mom he refused to take his medication. Emily, I would never heard of anything quite like

this myself. But, I do know that it can get confusing to healthcare providers when there are lots of observers around. There can be in

teaching hospital, and there needs to be.

ROBERTS: Yes. And, as a patient, though, you have the right to ask or to refuse care from that doctor. You also have the right to see what

their -- they may not have a diploma at a teaching hospital, but if you were in private practice, you would have a diploma or some sort of

licensure.

And, as a patient you have a cell phone. You can Google these doctors. There is information out there that makes you as very active

consumer, especially if your doctor looks like Doogie Howser. I would ask you to question --

PINSKY: Emily -- Emily, I am going to interrupt you because a tweet has shown up right alongside of you there. It says, "St. Mary`s Hospital

in West Palm Beach is not a teaching hospital. I work there" allegedly, this Kelly Drake, who is tweeting us here. And, that is kind of

interesting, then who would these observers be? Why would they be there? What is going on?

WALSH: You know, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Yes.

WALSH: If this raises a red flag about anything, it is the lack of security at most hospitals in America. They are very public. They are

open doors. You can almost wander around the wards. And, these vulnerable patients, many of them on medication. Many of them sleeping and under

sedation that almost anybody from the street can have access to patients. That is terrifying to me.

PINSKY: I am not sure that is true in most hospitals. I mean I worked in a lot of hospitals and the security was really -- I did not feel

as though somebody could just walk in. You are right, though. I suppose if somebody was super motivated, they could.

WALSH: This kid sure did.

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PINSKY: Yes, that is right. Here are some details provided by one of the actual physicians, who interacted with the impostor. This from a

statement to the police. He said the teen reported, quote, "I am an Ob/Gyn doctor." "He was present at a patient is prenatal visit, say pregnancy

visit wearing a lab coat that said an anesthesiology. He asked if he could shadow me as an intern."

I believe this was the doctor we saw on the tape leaving in to the firs block. "I asked what his qualifications were and where he went to

medical school. He answered vaguely that he was a doctor from Tempe, Arizona." And, Spirit, there we are again -- That is a non-answer. Yet,

he accepted it as an answer.

CLANTON: Exactly. Then said, "OK, sure. Come on."

PINSKY: "Come on in."

CLANTON: "Where is your badge? Where is your card swipe to get into these secret areas? Sure, right after you. Go in. Where is your name on

the rotation? How do we know -- Where is the charge nurse that says, yes, this is where you are going to be today?" Why is nobody asking the

questions?

PINSKY: Well, here is what I think about all this. There is something to be learned here. And, you, guys, have all been very good at

bringing up all the issues. Amongst them, it is our responsibility as a patient , it is OK to speak up, guys.

If something does not feel right, speak up. You have every right. And, I will tell you, in my experiences then, the vast majority of health

care providers, whether it is nurse, physician, mental health professional, they are there for you. And, if you raise their awareness, they are going

to protect you and try to give you an answer that is satisfactory.

And, sometimes it is about focusing us, turning our lights on a little bit. A lot of people -- whereas Spirit mentioned a couple of times,

we are kind of dimmed down, going through the road of our day and focus on the things we are focused on, which we are busy enough, hard enough.

Some guy is flitting around some gags flies over here, they are not paying attention. So, my apologies on behalf of those of us in the

profession because we should do a better job. And, we are, believe me, always trying to do better.

Next up, the disturbing allegations against Prince Andrew tonight. He is finally talking about it. And, after that, a new marijuana-infused

spray. It is about to go on the market, over-the-counter in Colorado. And, it is promising more and better satisfaction for women. OK, we will

talk about it after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Damning claims have Britain`s Prince Andrew on the defensive. He is accused of having sex with an underage girl

at least three separate times. He spoke to reporters about it for the first time.

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PRINCE ANDREW ALBERT CHRISTIAN EDWARD, DUKE OF YORK KG GCVO CD ADC: I just wish to reiterate and to reaffirm the statements, which have already

been made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: His accuser, Virginia Robertson, says billionaire Jeffrey Epstein kept her as a sex slave and pimped her out to

several powerful men, including the prince.

In court documents, she says, "Epstein made me have sex with Prince Andrew several times. I had sex with him three times, including one orgy.

I knew he was a member of the British royal family, but I just called him Andy."

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Anahita and Karamo. And, we are discussing Andy in this segment we are calling "Seriously?" There has a lot of people

shaking their heads. Prince Andrew breaking his silence, now denying that he had sex with a 17-year-old girl. And, now, an interesting letter had

just surfaced from her attorney to the prince. Sam, tell me about that letter.

SCHACHER: OK. So, the letter to Andy, as you would call him Dr. Drew, it reads in part, "This letter is a formal request to interview you

under oath regarding interactions that you had with Jane Doe number 3, beginning in approximately early 2001, Jane Doe number 3 was then 17 years

old."

Now, they also included a picture of Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts, which they say was taken around the same time that they started

having sex. Now, also, her lawyer told CNN that Buckingham Palace refused to accept the letter and that they returned it back to them.

PINSKY: Without reading it?

SCHACHER: I mean -- who knows if they opened it or not, but it was returned.

PINSKY: What is that, Anahita? You are nodding your head like, "Oh, yeah, of course they did." What do you mean?

SEDAGHATFAR: No. Of course they returned it. He has no obligation to sit under oath and give any type of testimony. He is not a party to any

lawsuit. And, all we know, Dr. Drew, at this point as fact is that he met this girl or he knew this girl because they have a picture together. That

is it.

Everything else at this point is an allegation. He has denied it. And, he made a very short statement, which I agree with publicly. He has

no obligation to speak anymore on the issue. And, there is another man, Hershowitz -- Dershowitz, I am sorry, who was the attorney --

PINSKY: Hang on. I got some footage of him defending himself on the "Today" show.

SEDAGHATFAR: I want to talk about that.

PINSKY: OK. Can you guys clip to that. We will go back. Let me just set it up, Anahita. We will go back to you.

SEDAGHATFAR: OK.

PINSKY: She did accuse Epstein`s former lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, of having had sex with her. He now responded on the "Today" show this

morning. Take a look.

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SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, HOST OF "TODAY" SHOW: Do you know her? Have you seen her? Have you ever met her?

ALAN DERSHOWITZ, JEFFREY EPSTEIN`S FORMER LAWYER: I have never seen her. I have never met her. And, I challenge her to come on your show and

to repeat her allegations on television. She is hiding behind the litigation privilege.

She has filed a purgered affidavit. And, I can prove categorically by documentary and other evidence that I could not have been in the places

she said I was at the time. For example, she said she had sex with me in Jeffrey Epstein`s ranch in New Mexico.

I was there for one hour with my wife, my daughter, who are here with me today in the studio. Never out of their sight. Two other people were

with me. Nobody in the ranch at the time. Only time I have ever been there.

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PINSKY: Anahita, you are smiling, but I want to know, what is it that she is hiding behind, a litigation veil?

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes.

PINSKY: What you say?

SEDAGHATFAR: If she is making these statements and these allegations in a lawsuit or, you know, comments that are part of another person`s

lawsuit, she cannot be sued for defamation because she is protected by the litigation privilege.

PINSKY: We need to -- Whoa! Whoa! I have never heard of that.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes.

PINSKY: Can we undo that law? That is the most insane law I have ever heard of. So, you can slander the hell out of somebody so long as it

is in a litigation?

SEDAGHATFAR: It is a very strong privilege. Right.

PINSKY: That is a terrible privilege. That is ridiculous.

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, that is why -- Well, Dr. Drew, let me mention this. That is why Dershowitz is going on every single T.V. show and he is

challenging her, "Come and make these statements out of the arena of a litigation."

PINSKY: Maybe her attorney is doing us all a favor by bringing this whole thing to light and maybe taking issue with the litigation. What do

you call the litigation what privilege?

SEDAGATHAR: The litigation privilege.

PINSKY: Oh my God! That is ridiculous. Karamo -- Wait a minute. You are enthusiastically agreeing with me. Go ahead.

BROWN: Yes, I am agreeing with you and disagreeing with Anahita, because let me tell you something. What Dershowitz is doing is bullying

this girl to come out and make a statement or incriminate herself. He has more money, education, and more power and he is going to try to intimidate

this young woman.

Let her hide behind this and let her do what she is trying to do in the best way she knows possible. I know these charges are alleged, but

where there is a group of people that all flock together, birds of a feather hang together, and I am sure something is going on here.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right, but she is accusing him of basically raping her, having sex with her while she is underage. He is saying, "Look, I have

evidence. I have documents that will prove categorically that every allegation you made against me is untrue."

Let us say that is true for a moment. Would not that make you question her voracity with respect to the allegations she is making against

the prince? I would think so.

BROWN: Unfortunately, I am not going to say that it is true. What I am going to say is that this young girl is scared. She has been abused

once. She has been abused emotionally, physically and she is scared to now face these bullies again. I know it is alleged, alleged.

PINSKY: Hold on. Hold on. I get you, Karamo. Sam, is it not the case that a lot of money exchanged hands, too? She say she was forced to

have sex with the prince. Was not she paid a large sum of money, allegedly or something?

SCHACHER: Yes, but she was also underage. And, let us remind ourselves that Jeffrey Epstein, he had 40 minors that we know of that he

was prostituting. OK? But, Dr. Drew, there is so much investigating that needs to occur. Who is investigating?

Because, apparently, according to her, she and Prince Andrew before they had their first sexual encounter, they went to a nightclub. So, you

better believe that there is going to be some sort of surveillance footage or some eyewitness accounts.

And, then same with the attorney. He said that, you know, she claims that he was on a private plane. So, where is the manifest of that? So, I

think that there needs to be more investigation before we can form any sort of opinion.

PINSKY: There is a sort of a sad background to this story of women being exploited, is not it? Does not that bother you, guys? I know Karamo

has weighed in to that. Anahita, in your heart of hearts, cannot you go there too?

SEDAGHATFAR: Oh, of course. Of course.

PINSKY: OK.

SEDAGHATFAR: I mean we know Epstein was guilty. He pleaded guilty.

SCHACHER: Right.

SEDAGHATFAR: But, we do not know if these allegations against the prince are true. And, certainly, Dershowitz is going on the record saying,

"Look, I have evidence. Here it is. I am making these statements on T.V., not in a court system."

PINSKY: OK.

BROWN: But, Anahita, would not you agree that many times men with power do things to bully and intimidate a young girl?

PINSKY: Or manipulate at least?

BROWN: Or manipulate.

PINSKY: Yes.

SEDAGHATFAR: But, there is a lot at stake here for him to make those statements on the record.

PINSKY: All right. More on what I am finding to be really disturbing details from the young woman who says she was forced to have sex with

Prince Andrew. And, later, a pot-infused sex spray, so-called, for women. It is making big promises. We will talk about it after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: A lawsuit alleging Prince Andrew had sex with an under-aged girl several times.

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PRINCE ANDREW: I just wish to reiterate and to reaffirm the statements, which have already been made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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PINSKY: Back with our behavior bureau, Spirit, Emily, and Wendy. We are talking about a woman who claims she was forced, so-called, to have sex

with Prince Andrew when she was just 17. Let me just start with an easy question. Emily, do you believe it?

ROBERTS: Yes, 17. And, some of the other reports said she was 15. That is a teenage girl, right? She is not even able to drive a car if it

was 15. She is not developed yet. Her brain is not developed. Very impressionable.

And, there is money. There is powerful men around her. I think it is very possible this could happen, especially if it happened for many

other women or girls her age at the time.

WALSH: Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Yes?

WALSH: This is not unusual, you know?

PINSKY: Wait a minute, Wendy, Wendy, Wendy. What do you mean?

WALSH: I was a teenage model in Paris. And, it was well known that international playboys held these called, "The White Slave Girls." They

held parties where girls would go and this was the `80s, so there were big bowls of cocaine.

And, you were sort of expected to put out. And, it just happens all the time. As soon as you get to a moneyed circle and a little bit of

privacy and power, young girls get abused.

PINSKY: Well, let me ask a couple sort of directed questions since you have experience with this. Was money exchanging hand much the way

Epstein actually sort of really prostituted these women?

WALSH: In my world, the money was going to the modeling agents. The modeling agents would tell young girls, "Listen, here is all the go-sees,

the rendezvouse you need to go on during the day, but you have to go to these three parties. And, do not forget, stop for these three parties

because you know, there might be photographers there or something."

PINSKY: And, Wendy, let me ask a tough question, and do not give me a superficial answer such as there is money and glamour, all those things.

Why? Why did they put up with it?

WALSH: Because they were young. They had no power. They had stars in their eyes. They believed that if the adults told them that this was

the safe thing to do and the right thing to do and this is what adults do, and they make you feel stupid and young if you do not go with the program.

They make you feel inexperienced. And, so, they coerce that way.

PINSKY: I must tell you, I am surprised. When I first -- not at you. I am surprised how sad this story makes me. I mean, it is a sad story. A

guy is indicted for trafficking and young -- this is a terrible story. But, I did not expect to feel this sad as we got into the weeds of it.

WALSH: Yes.

PINSKY: There is more. Now, in the court documents, Virginia describes the first time billionaire Jeffrey Epstein took her to have sex

with the prince. Here now is a re-enactment.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VIRGINIA ROBERTSON, ACCUSING PRINCE ANDREW RAPED HER: We went to the bathroom and bedroom, which were just steps away from where the picture was

taken. We engaged in sexual activities there.

Afterwards, Andy left quickly with his security. I told Epstein about Andy`s sexual interests in my feet. Epstein thought it was really

funny. Epstein appeared to be collecting private information about Andy.

(END VIDEO CLIP0

PINSKY: Not very funny. I do not think any of this is very funny, Spirit. But, why do you suspect she is coming forward now?

CLANTON: You know what? I do not know. This is what I will say. And, I am just on the other side of this. It sucks to me to be the prince

here. Because there is nothing that he can do but come out and say, "I vehemently deny this. I have evidence. I have proof and yet and still we

will say, "Oh, well, forget what he is talking about because, you know, we cannot say one thing or the other." But, let us talk about the girl. This

is tough, because there is nothing that he can do to clear his name unless she comes out and she is not going to.

PINSKY: But, you know, he could take an aggressive stance like Dershowitz did and he can really get to his defense. I mean Dershowitz is

easy to believe, because at least so far I believe him. But, the other part of her claims are there are so many bizarre qualities to it, including

the Dershowitz` claim, that just do not seem to make sense.

I am going to show you a picture of Andrew and -- that is Virginia Roberts there. That was apparently taken around the time she claims they

had sex for the first time. Let us take a look at that. And, I want to say, Wendy, does that sort of fit with one of these parties to you? It

looks like it was just in somebody`s parent`s kitchen.

WALSH: Oh, yes. I mean these parties were not always glamorous. They were not filled with bubbling champagne. In fact, the more privacy

you had, the better. The more in a private home with only -- and this was on supposedly an island, right, that he was running his, sort of ring of

girls. But, there is one person who is really happy tonight and that is Bill Cosby.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: It does take the focus off him a little bit. Emily, did you look at that picture, does that give you the willies like it does me? I

mean that is a little girl in somebody is -- I imagine, you know, like after high school and somebody`s friend`s kitchen.

ROBERTS: Yes, and she is a little girl. She is someone`s daughter. I always am wondering here, if she was 15 or 17, where were the parents?

That is a huge question.

PINSKY: Always.

ROBERTS: But the other piece to this -- yes, but the other piece to this story really is, she was still so psychologically manipulated by the

money and the power. And, we have to remember that she was not necessarily making the best decisions. When this is involved with a teenage girl, they

are still impulsive. They are not adults yet.

PINSKY: Right.

ROBERTS: You cannot rent a car unless you are 26.

PINSKY: Right.

ROBERTS: She was 17.

PINSKY: Let me address that.

ROBERTS: Her brain was not completely developed.

PINSKY: Yes. In my thoughts --

CLANTON: I still need to see more than one photo, though. I am so sorry. Especially in this day and age of photoshopp and everything else, I

need to see more.

ROBETS: Sure, sure.

PINSKY: I am with you. There is a lot of unanswered here, yes. But, the whole thing is still so deeply disturbing. I just cannot -- I cannot

quite get over it. But, here is what I think about it.

It is an opportunity to talk about the teens again as we have all been trying to do. And, that is what Emily was just referring to is that

the frontal lobe, this part of the brain here, is shut down for remodeling from about the age of 13 and men till up to 25 and women maybe 21.

And, you become -- While you are in your adolescence, you become very dependent on this region in here called Amygdala, which is something that

response to arousal and sort of extreme kinds of experiences and drama. And, that is why teens get into so many intense sorts of experiences. They

do not have the executive function to guide them.

They rely on our frontal lobe, the adults, to superimpose on there to control the impulses of the amygdala and the more bodily based arousal

system, which is what guides teens and what sends them into such extreme circumstances and so many problems with unwanted consequences of accidents

and unwanted sexual behavior and poor judgment in situations like this.

Next up, it is a pot-infused sex spray. Speaking of teens, a lot to say about that, but it is promising women better orgasm and it hits the

shelves in Colorado over-the-counter tomorrow. While you are away from your television, please check us out on Facebook, DrDrewhln, and do not

forget to like us, please. We will see you in a minute.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JIMMY KIMMEL, LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW HOST: The NFL has found that 11 of the 12 footballs provided by the Patriots in Sunday`s AFC championship

game were underinflated by two pounds. To weigh in on it, we turn to someone who knows a lot about this sort of thing. So, please pay

attention.

PINSKY: It is a common problem that is too often overlooked. Every year thousands of athletes suffer from deflated balls. Your balls should

feel firm and bouncy. If your balls feel soft or mushy to the touch, show them to an official immediately. Also, do not forget to check your

testicles and prostate from time to time. I am Dr. Drew.

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(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Spirit, Emily. You guys did like that, huh?

SCHACHER: Yay.

PINSKY: Thank you, thank you. I had a good time.

SCHACHER: That was awesome.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I had a good time doing that for my friend Jimmy Kimmel last night. He called me about 3:00 in the afternoon yesterday, he said like,

"We need to do something." I am like, "I am in. Let us go do this."

SCHACHER: Awesome.

PINSKY: And, he got such great writers. It is funny. A lot of the technical guys at that show are guys from "Loveline" back on MTV that went

to "The Man Show" and followed Jimmy over to his show. So, it is all people I have known for a long time.

SCHACHER: Wow, small world.

PINSKY: Small world, however, it is time now for "TMI," too much. Are we sharing too much with people we do not know, especially when it

comes to our sex lives? It is a warning, of course, to viewers. This is an adult topic. We are dealing with potentially graphic details, sexual

details.

There is a new pot-infused so-called sex spray for women. It is being touted by its creator as, quote, female Viagra. Now, let me address

that to begin with. The Viagra is specifically just something that enhances blood flow to the male. That is it.

It does not affect arousal. It does not affect libido. But, these guys are claiming all sorts of other things, Sam, right? And, last night -

- Sam, last night, it was treating depression that you were suggesting orgasms would be good for. So, tell me how this spray is going to make a

difference.

SCHACHER: I -- first of all, I was applauding that woman for providing a forum.

PINSKY: OK. Fair enough.

SCHACHER: Second of all, Dr. Drew, maybe you can prescribe me some of this sex spray. Why not? So, let me tell you about it.

PINSKY: I saw the green cross across the street here, I am sure it would be easy to get.

SCHACHER: OK. It is called Foria and according to the creator`s website, the product is made of pharmaceutical grade cannabis and coconut

oil. It should be sprayed onto the clitoris, inner and outer labia and inside the vagina. It reportedly does not get woman high. There are no

psychoactive elements here but rather promises a more --

PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Wait. Stop. Stop. What do you mean no psychoactive elements?

SCHACHER: That is exactly what it says. It does not get you high. There is no psychoactive elements. So, perhaps it is just the CBD. OK?

PINSKY: Right.

SCHACHER: It is not the THC.

PINSKY: You cannot get pure CBD yet. But the website for this sex spray has a PG commercial. You, guys, maybe want to play it. We can look

at it. A small bottle sells for $44. Large one is $88. This is the commercial for this thing that is going to give you special effects.

SCHACHER: It is just saying, Dr. Drew, that it is going to heighten your orgasm, OK? So, saying it is just going to make it more powerful.

And, according to their study, 100 percent of the participants said that they had a better orgasm.

PINSKY: OK. Spirit, you buying it?

ROBERTS: Were they already stoned?

CLANTON: Not even.

SCHACHER: It does not make you high.

CLANTON: Let us go to the website and pay attention. Let us talk about that some of the participants were mom and sister. Come on now. And

rather than people trying to get their female genitalia high because, you know, I am just not buying some of this. It is not THC. It is this, it is

that.

Take that money, get a good -- use that towards a co-pay and go deal with the psychological issues that are preventing you from having the kind

of sexual activities and the sexual excitement that you want to have. Stop using sprays and pills and just go deal with the issues.

PINSKY: Emily, what do you think?

ROBERTS: I totally agree. You are overlooking something that actually could be a medical issue here, right?

PINSKY: Right.

ROBERTS: There could be something actually wrong with you and spraying something that you do not know what the side effects are. There

could be side effects. You can absorb through your vagina. It is true, right, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Well, that is what I figured this was,but something that was just getting you high through absorption through the vagina, much like

people absorb alcohol through -- believe it or not, people do enemas and all kinds of crazy stuff.

CLANTON: Yes. You are right.

SCHACHER: They soak tampons with alcohol, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: That is right. This is that same kind of phenomenon, I assumed. And, my fear was, one of the big problems with the legalization

that Colorado has had to deal with, and they have dealt with it, was the edibles having too high a concentration of cannabis and people were having

psychotic episodes and jumping out of buildings.

SCHACHER: OK. You, guys, are reading way too into this. First of all, there is no psychoactive element according to their claims. OK?

PINSKY: But how could that be? How could that be?

SCHACHER: It is CBD. From what I have read, it is CBD. It is not THC.

PINSKY: But, Sam, I know for sure you cannot get pure CBD.

SCHACHER: OK.

PINSKY: So, it is mostly CBD. Is that true?

SCHACHER: Mostly CBD.

PINSKY: OK.

SCHACHER: Second of all -- OK. So, that is the case. It is mostly CBD.

PINSKY: OK.

SCHACHER: Second of all, I agree with the fact that if you are somehow using it as a crutch to fix your relationship or if you have some

medical issue, then, yes, you should perhaps book an appointment with you, Dr. Drew, or with you, Spirit. However, there are a lot of women out there

--

PINSKY: Do not leave Emily out.

SCHACHER: -- and Emily. However, there are a lot of women out there who are satisfied with their sex life, but they are also looking to spice

it up. Maybe they have been in a long-term relationship.

PINSKY: No. No. That is right.

CLANTON: Be careful. Be careful.

SCHACHER: Maybe their partner has a higher sex drive. Just saying. Come on, you guys.

PINSKY: No. No. No. Sam, I get what you are saying.

CLANTON: Let us talk about marijuana and fertility and all the problems that go along with it --

SCHACHER: Of course, be careful. Of course.

CLANTON: There are so many things you do not know about this. You have people going, "Oh, I want to have a stronger orgasm. Sure, I will pay

$80 for a spray." Give me a break. The only person that is getting high is the people getting rich off, of this thing. No way.

PINSKY: And, according to the website, in California you need a physician`s statement and recommendation to purchase this spray.

SCHACHER: Oh, good. OK.

PINSKY: So, Sam, we can talk about that later.

SCHACHER: That is why I said write me a prescription. But, Dr. Drew, I just want to point something out.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: Does men have over two dozen FDA approved drugs to help them in this department.

PINSKY: No. No, not this department.

SCHACHER: Women does not have FDA approved.

PINSKY: This is not -- not only that.

SCHACHER: I am not saying this is. My point is, what do women have, though, Dr. Drew out there?

PINSKY: They have testosterone. You can get testosterone replacement. You can get estrogen and progesterone replacements when your

levels are off. Sam, you are asking me a question that is very much to point.

We do not pay enough attention to the subtle changes that occur across time, across the life span in a woman`s hormonal, biological

environment. And, I am telling you, it is vitally important for people to maintain exactly the kinds of connection we are talking about here with

their intimate partner. Do talk to your doctor about it.

But, Sam, I get your point. I get it. Maybe someone is healthy and young and they want to experiment. People do abuse things. They do

experiment with things. If they want to try it. But like Emily and Spirit are saying, do not treat yourself.

SCHACHER: I agree.

PINSKY: You do not treat yourself for something if you are actually having problems. The fact is for men, we have one thing. We have

something that suppresses the breakdown of nitric oxide. They is what is all these medicines do to treat mean. They suppress the breakdown of

nitric oxide when it is released from a nerve.

And, thereby, increases the nitric oxide concentration so there is an increased blood supply into the male genitalia and you get a reaction as a

result. But it does not affect libido. It does not affect all these other -- arousal and orgasms all these other things. I am concerned that this

like Emily was saying may be getting absorbed.

And, that is something we will see with time. We will keep an eye on this one. Again, I am a little agnostic on it. I just say, my biggest

concern is people treating themselves without really knowing what they are treating.

Next up, social media president of the United States interviewed by YouTube stars. If you would like more HLN, take us live with you wherever

you go. Get our HLN to go app. It is available for Apple products and Android devices. Be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GLOZELL GREEN, YOUTUBE STAR: Do you think that same-sex marriage will be legalized in all of the United States during the time that you are

in office, and what can you do to push that along?

HANK GREEN, YOUTUBE STAR: I do not smoke pot. I am in favor of legalizing marijuana. How do we move forward out of this legal gray area

weirdness?

BETHANY MOTA, YOUTUBE STAR: My question for you is how can we just prevent that, prevent bullying in schools and online?

GLOZELL GREEN: How can we bridge the gap between black African- American males and white cops?

HANK GREEN: Before I had insurance, I could not take this medication. It is about $1,100 a month. And, that is a receipt showing it being $5 a

month. So, Obamacare has worked for me.

PRES. BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Obamacare has worked.

HANK GREEN: Thanks for that.

PRES. OBAMA: That makes me feel good.

GLOZELL GREEN: I have green lipsticks. One for your first wife --

PRES. OBAMA: My first?

GLOZELL GREEN: I mean ---

(LAUGHING)

PRES. OBAMA: Do you know something I do not?

GLOZELL GREEN: Oh, for the first lady.

PRES. OBAMA: One for the first lady.

GLOZELL GREEN: And the first children.

PRES. OBAMA: And, the first children. I am too scared.

GLOZELL GREEN: All right.

(END VIDEO CLIP))

PINSKY: The story you are tweeting about most tonight. Three YouTube stars who got to interview the President of the United States.

Joining me, Sam Schacher, YouTube star Kaleb Nation, and Anahita Sedaghatfar. Sam, you have met each of these YouTube stars.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Tell us more about their online persona and following.

SCHACHER: OK. So, first of all, they are all amazing. And, I thought today was really endearing. I thought they asked a lot of hard-

hitting questions that any journalist would have asked. But they were real and not contrived.

But, they also have huge followings. So, that is the key here. They reach a young demographic. For instance, there is Bethany Mota. She is a

style blogger. She has 2 million Twitter followers, 8 million YouTube subscribers.

Glozell Green, she is a comedian and sself-proclaimed mother of the internet. 727,000 Twitter followers, 3 million YouTube subscribers. And,

then there is Hank Green, creator of the Blog Brothers, Ecogreek and vidcon. 536,000 Twitter followers and 2 million YouTube subscribers.

PINSKY: And, now Kaleb, first so people understand here, give me your pose.

KALEB NATION, YOUTUBE PERSONALITY: My pose on the whole event?

PINSKY: No, your YouTube pose.

NATION: Oh, my YouTube?

PINSKY: Yes. There we go. But my question is, did they pick the right guys, and why did they pick you?

NATION: Oh, yes. Definitely. No. No. I would not have fit for this. I see exactly what they were going for, because you have Hank Green,

which is kind of the intellectual, the intelligent side of YouTube. Then you have Bethany Mota, who really reaches the teens, the young adults.

Then you have Glozell, who is -- She represents the crazy side of YouTube, the crazy median side. The only one you were missing was Tyler Oakley and

the grumpy cat. That is the next round.

PINSKY: Anahita, Grumpy cat is that next for the president of the United States? Would that trouble you at all? Is this a publicity stunt

just to show our President?

SEDAGHATFAR: I do not even think that is funny. Sadly, it seems like that is the direction we are going. No offense to the YouTube stars is,

but we are talking about the president of the United States, the most powerful man in the free world.

We are talking about the state of the union speech, which is supposed to be a very serious policy speech. And, then the president decides to sit

down with a woman who is on YouTube who is famous for eating spoonfuls of cinnamon and gagging and sitting in bathtubs filled with milk and eating

cereal out of the bathtub?

SCHACHER: Anahita --

SEDAGHATFAR: I am sorry. I think it demeans the office of the presidency.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew -- OK. Anahita, first of all, did you watch it today?

SEDAGHATFAR: I watched tidbits of it.

SCHACHER: OK. You need to watch all of it, because Glozell, the one who did the cinnamon challenge, she actually asked some very pertinent

really important questions. Here is the thing. YouTube is the new cable. So, if President Obama does want to get through to our younger demographic,

this is the way he has to do it.

SEDAGHATFAR: I disagree.

SCHACHER: No. What do you mean you disagree? This is millions of young people watching. So, why would not he try to encourage them to

educate themselves on the issues and get out there and vote?

NATION: For a lot of these kids, this is the only time that they are going to have anything to do with politics. Bethany even said that. She

said most of her audience, millions of kids and teenagers. These are going to be future voters coming up.

PINSKY: Anahita, let me ask the question this way. I have seen documentary on President Kennedy, several of them, that talk about his

relationship with television and how novel and bizarre everyone thought that was. And, how clear he was that was where the future lay in terms of

reaching an electorate.

Maybe we are looking at the same thing and we are the same old folks looking at the YouTube that were criticizing President Kennedy for going

on, "Oh, my God, television and talk to television journalists. They were real journalists."

SEDAGHATFAR: I do not think I am old foggy here. And, if the idea let us reach out to the millennial. Let us reach out to the younger

generation. Well, there is -- he has a YouTube channel. He has an Instagram. He has social media. I actually condone that. But the fact

is, this woman has green lipstick.

(LAUGHING)

SCHACHER: So what?

SEDAGHATFAR: You guys, let me finish. She called the police po-po, and she was speaking to the president. There is a time and place for that.

SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh. Anahita.

PINSKY: Really, Kaleb, Sam, do not you just love Anahita? Come on.

SCHACHER: I love her. Are you kidding me? We are getting drinks after the show. But, Anahita, do not bash it until you at least watch it.

I think you would be very impressed with everything that they asked. They talked about everything from social issues to global issues to drone

strikes to prison reform to health care reform.

PINSKY: And I like the way the president seems so engaged with them. But, Kaleb, give me your last thoughts here. You live in YouTube.

NATION: You know, this is how you reach teenagers these days. And, kids that are 14 years old, they are going to be voters in four years. All

of these people that are watching these people online, this is their only way of getting any sort of connection with politics at all. So, if you

have to speak on their language to present it to them, that is very honorable.

SEDAGHATFAR: No, it is the suggestion that millennials are not interested in policy issues.

NATION: No.

PINSKY: No. But, this is where the discussion is.

SEDAGHATFAR: We only pay attention is if there is someone with green lipstick talking to the president. That is insulting, Dr. Drew.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: OK. Listen. I want everyone to vote at our hlntv.com poll and on our Facebook page. We are asking, do you take issue with YouTube

stars interviewing the president? We have 81 percent saying this is the future, "Why not?" 19 percent say, "No, they are not journalists," siding

with Anahita.

They are more, I think, concerned with the lack of professional training. I do not know. I kind of like -- this is a direct democracy.

Why should not we have direct access? We will leave it there. Join us on the after show. I think we will probably continue this conversation there

on our Facebook page. You can DVR us then you can watch us any time. Please do so. "Forensic Files" is next.

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