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Data from Indonesian Ministry of Transportation Shows Steep Climb of AirAsia Flight 8501; More Than 50 Cases of Measles Linked to Disneyland

Aired January 23, 2015 - 15:30   ET

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: A terrorist who went on a murderous rampage, all in the name of Islam, reportedly has just been buried. But even in death, his presence is sickening the people of Paris.

According to French media, this man, Amedy Coulibaly, one of the attackers in this month's three-day terror onslaught, is now in the ground two weeks after killing a policewoman and four of his hostages.

His burial happened very quietly. But the fear among some officials now is that his grave site and the grave site of two other terrorists could become extremist shrines.

CNN's Pamela Brown is in Paris.

Pamela, he is the third and final Paris terrorist to be buried. When did this happen? Who attended the ceremony?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, this, according to AFP, Brooke, happened actually this morning in a Parisian cemetery here.

What's interesting about this here, this is a cemetery that is owned by the city of Paris, but you don't need the mayor's approval to be buried, to have someone buried there. According to this Web site of the

PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: What's interesting about this is this is a cemetery that is owned by the city of Paris, but you don't need the mayor's approval to be buried, to have someone buried there.

According to this Web site of this cemetery, it says whoever dies in Paris can be buried in what we call Parisian cemetery without the approval of the city mayor. We don't know, and this is key, Brooke, whether this is unmarked grave, because if it's not, the concern you just brought up, the concern is that it could become a shrine, a pilgrimage of sorts for those who are Islamic radicals, for those who followed, you know, Amedy Coulibaly, who were inspired to act as a result of what they did here in Paris. Of course, that is the big concern.

What we can tell you is that the brothers, the Kouachi brothers, were buried several days ago in the outskirts of Paris. And we were told that their graves are unmarked. So, it's not as much of a concern for them.

You may remember, Brooke, Tarmelan Tsarnaev, the Boston bombing suspect, this was a big controversy with him back at the time, where is he going to be buried? He ended up buried in an unmarked grave in Virginia. So this is always a big issue in these situations. And if it is -- if Coulibaly was in fact buried in this Parisian cemetery, that sends a signal that no one wanted to take him. So in fact, he was buried in this random cemetery owned by Paris city hall -- Brooke.

BROOK BALDWIN, CNN HOST: Right. Yes.

And then when I saw the story of Paris, I started thinking about those buried in the U.S. as well. It is obviously a huge concern.

Let me pivot to just the news right now. These two significant terror suspects who are still missing, the widow of Coulibaly and the ISIS, you know, linked Belgian ringleader, these two knowing that, what's the sense among people in Paris?

BROWN: Well, it is interesting here, Brooke. I mean, you are right. We have there's sort of this feeling of increased concern. This was a bit of a wake-up call, what we saw with the Paris attack and then the manhunt underway right now. But it is -- and the most part, though, Parisian seem to be moving on with their lives. We saw one man sitting on a bench in plain sight reading the "Charlie Hebdo" magazine, the latest one showing the cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad on the cover. And he didn't seem worried at all. The magazine is sold out at newsstand across the city here. So clearly, they are sending sort of strong message of defiance in the wake of the terrorist attack to the "Charlie Hebdo" headquarters and at that kosher market here in Paris -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: All right, Pamela Brown for us tonight in Paris. Thank you.

Now to that plane. Data from the Indonesian ministry of transportation, now giving us some insight exactly how steep a climb AirAsia 8501 took before crashing into the Java Sea in late December. New from air traffic control in Jakarta. This is the time line as we know it right now.

So at 6:14 and 34 seconds, the plane asked permission to climb and divert the path to avoid severe weather.

At 6:17 and three seconds, the plane at 32,000 feet deviates from its path, taking a left. That was approved but the climb was not.

Then for some reason at 6:17 and nine seconds, the plane goes up very rapidly at 1,400 feet a minute.

Then at 6:17 and 54 seconds, the plane hits a maximum altitude of 37,600 feet, which means at one point AirAsia flight 8501 was going 5,600 feet in less than a minute.

Then at 6:18 and 44 seconds, the plane goes dark disappearing off of primary radar, brings us to today. Searchers resume their work in the Java Sea. So far 67 victims of the 162 people on board have now been recovered.

Just ahead that Disneyland measles outbreak is spreading. And now fears are stirring. This whole vaccination debate.

Plus, President Obama is taking some heat for some of the interviews he just did. And it's not necessarily over what he said. We're going to talk about that. It's who he said it too. We will play the best and the worst moments from his interviews with these You Tube stars.

Jake Tapper will join me on whether he thought it was a good idea. Don't miss that.

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BALDWIN: President Obama taking questions about drone strikes and Ferguson and marijuana. On the other end of that interviewing microphone, a 19-year-old make-up expert, a comedian known for bathing in tub full of cereal and a self-proclaimed science nerd.

You Tube put together this crew of its most subscribed video star to sit down with none other than the president of the United States. And you know what? As many as 90,000 people watched it live. Here are the -- shall we call them the highlights? Roll it.

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BETHANY MOTA, 19-YEAR-OLD: Why should the younger generation be interested in politics and why should it matter to them?

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If the climate keeps on getting warmer and we have more drought and more floods and the oceans start dying off, now, it's going to be you and your children who are dealing with that. We can stop it. But we can only stop it if we get together and we start using energy differently.

HANK GREEN: I have brought a little something for you.

OBAMA: What have you got?

H. GREEN: I would like you to sign. So, this is a picture of me holding a receipt from my pharmacy. I have a chronic condition.

OBAMA: It's a very fetching picture.

H. GREEN: Thank you. And it's expensive to manage. But before I had insurance, I could not take this medication. It's $1,100 a month. And that's a receipt showing the $5 a month. So Obamacare has worked for me. So, thanks for that.

OBAMA: Obamacare has worked. And that makes me feel good.

Hank, as you know, we had hiccups initially in terms of the Web site. But now, the Web site works really well.

GLOZELL GREEN: How can we bridge the gap between black African- American males and white cops?

OBAMA: We always have to just remind ourselves that overwhelming majority of police officers, they are doing a really tough job and they are doing it well. A lot of the way to solve this is to improve training so people can be aware of their biases ahead of time.

G. GREEN: I have green lipstick, one for your first wife --

OBAMA: My first wife? Do you know something I don't?

G. GREEN: For first lady.

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BALDWIN: OK. And then the whole thing to top it off with a selfie.

Jake Tapper, our chief Washington correspondent, host of "the LEAD." Thoughts, was this a win? Was this a fail for the White House? What do you think?

JAKE TAPPER, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Look, there are a lot of people out there, especially conservatives who think that this demeans the office of the White House. But I have to say, this is a new era. And the president was trying to speak to people who wouldn't necessarily watch the lead if I interviewed the president or watch your show if you interviewed him or watch Steve Kroft (ph) if he interviewed him on "60 Minutes." This was for the three million people who subscribe to Glozell or that -- I don't know if you saw her video where she tries to eat an entire ladle full of cinnamon. It's silly and crazy. Forty-two million people watched it, 42 million people watched it.

So, it's about reaching people, finding them in an increasingly bifurcated or whatever media environment where there isn't any more one network channel except for on the super bowl that everybody crowds around and watches this in TV. There are an infinite amount. So you can take issue with it. I didn't think the questions that I have heard were generally all that silly. I thought they were pretty, pretty decent.

BALDWIN: Sorry. I'm just -- sorry.

TAPPER: You are watching cinnamon right now.

BALDWIN: We saw the ladle thing. We saw the cereal thing. Sorry, go ahead.

TAPPER: Forty-two million people watched that. So, I mean, there are people that the president in talking to Glozell is reaching that -- it's not a choice between Glozell Brooke Baldwin or Glozell and Leslie Stall. It's reaching out to other people not watching traditional sources of information.

BALDWIN: OK. Marinate on that, everyone.

Jake Tapper, thank you. We will see you at the top of the hour on "the LEAD." Appreciate it.

Much more seriously here, the measles outbreak at Disneyland had sparked a massive conversation. Is the anti-vaccine movement to blame here? We will talk about that with a doctor.

Plus, the loud music murder trial that gripped this country is now a movie. This controversial film and others that are turning heads at the Sundance film festival next.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fire and rescue. The address of your emergency.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm at a gas station. Shots fired in the parking lot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two black male stepped out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Came from the red SUV.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know if they were trying to stash something.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The person who was driving the vehicle was the one shooting out of the vehicle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was like pop, pop, pop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You heard pop, pop, pop, pop.

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BALDWIN: That was a clip from the film "3 1/2 minutes." That is one of many that debuts at the Sundance Film Festival for next week. In this film, it examines the shooting death of Jordan Davis in what became known as the loud music trial. It's among some of the more controversial offering at the said festival. And we sent Stephanie Elam to Park City, Utah for today's opening at Sundance.

So Stephanie, it's nearly 120 films over the course of these 11 days. And at least two of them focus on race relations in America today.

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's very true, Brooke.

Looking at some films that are talking about some controversial issues. But if you listen to Robert Redford, who founded the Sundance Festival, he said this is something that needs to be highlighted, things that make us uncomfortable but expand our horizons a bit or make us how we feel about things.

And one of those films is "3 1/2 minutes," which a looks at what went on from the moment when Jordan Davis was shot and how that trial played out and how it affected the parties related to the story. We are actually going to speak to the parents of Jordan Davis who are going to be here in Sundance to take look at this movie, "3 1/2 minutes" as well.

Another movie that is also stirring the pot a bit is a movie called "Cronies." Now, this is going to be -- its executive produced by Spike Lee. But it actually comes from one of his former student at the NYU film school. And it takes a look at relationships that change over time. And it set in St. Louis. So it is also very much within the conversation of what we see in light of Ferguson last year, Brooke.

And the other movie that also has people talking is "Going Clear." And that movie is taking a look at the church of scientology and looking into it. Something that everyone is wondering how they are going to be able to do this and also wondering how many lawyers they had look at the film before it actually debuts here because the trick to scientology, as we know, is not very friendly to people looking at their organization. But we are also expected to speak to Alex Gibney as well who is behind that picture. But that is -- those are some of the most buzzed about movies. And there are also very controversial.

I should also point out to you, Brooke, that I am here in the CNN films lounge, right here on main street, in Park City, Utah. We also have two films that are debuting here as well, "the Hunting Ground" and "Fresh Dress." So just knowing that we are in the game as well, Brooke.

BALDWIN: In the game. And also today, I have to wish you happy birthday. Happy birthday, Stephanie Elam. I hope it's a wonderful one, even though you are working. It is a pretty good day being in Sundance. So happy birthday.

ELAM: I am not complaining. Yes, I am not complaining at all. Thanks, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Thank you. We'll talk next week. Thank you so much, Stephanie Elam.

And coming up here on CNN, rising concern over a virus once declared eliminated from the United States. Some kids are now in isolation as the reach of that measles outbreak in Disneyland in California continues to spread. We will talk to a doctor and ask what can be done to slow this emerging health crisis.

Plus, dramatic video of this rescue at sea. You have a 75 foot fishing boat capsizing in the violent seas of the north Atlantic. What happens, coming up.

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BALDWIN: Welcome back. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Now to this unbelievable rescue here off the Northern Coast of Scotland. Five fishermen battling these freezing cold waves as their ship is on the verge of sinking. Here it was.

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BALDWIN: The British maritime and coast guard agency getting calls of a fishing ship in distress. You see the boat here pounded by giant waves and taking on water fast. The fishermen scrambling to climb on the side of the boat before it goes under. A coast guard helicopter rushes to the scene and a rope is being lowered to those trapped fishermen.

Just as a wave washes them off the ship and into the icy waters. One fisherman still hanging on for dear life, climbing past that spinning propeller on the boat, he jumps from the ship just as it was swallowed up into the freezing water.

One by one, the fishermen are pulled up into the rescue chopper. The fishermen are now being treated for hypothermia, but everyone made it out alive.

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BALDWIN: Now to Disneyland. Ground zero for this rare measles outbreak. And we just learned dozens of children are being quarantined. This is according to our CNN affiliate KTIX, reporting more than 30 kids are now isolated in northern California's Alameda County because they were potentially exposed to measles.

The outbreak stems from this exposure at Disneyland. This is before the holiday season. More than 50 cases are now linked to Disneyland. Let me be crystal clear though, the news that are in northern California. We don't know if this is all connected. That's just the word we got from our affiliate.

With me now to discuss, Dr. Alexander van Tulleken.

Good to see you, doc. I think it is worth, just before we get into why this is happening and some parents not choosing not to vaccinate their kids, the contagion factor in measles is like off the chain.

DR. ALEXANDER VAN TULLEKEN, INFECTIOUS DISEASE: Measles is very, very contagious. So if you are next to someone with measles for any prolonged period of time, your chances of catching it, around 90 percent. It's not like Ebola, it is not like lots of other diseases. It is very, very likely spread from person to person. So a single case is likely to spread to 12, 18 other people, something like that.

BALDWIN: You were saying in commercial break, because you travel around the world all the time, you were saying in refugee camps it is the first thing you do.

VAN TULLEKEN: It is extraordinary to hear about measles in Disneyland. If I see a measles outbreak or cases of measles in a camp, you just think this is not a well-run camp. In a refugee setting, we are talking about. I mean, it is the number one thing. If you look at doctors without borders' list of things to do when providing health activities, vaccinate all the children for measles is number one.

BALDWIN: So why are some people not doing it with their kids?

VAN TULLEKEN: The anti-vaccination movement goes back a very, very long way. So you can go back to look variegation which the original smallpox vaccine from hundreds of years ago in China and India, people resisted it then. In the 18th century, it was actually, there was a significant anti-vaccination movement in Europe.

And so, we can trace that through to the present day. It's people not liking government telling them what to do. It's people not understanding the science. And it is complicated science to understand. It's confounded by the fact that in the past, vaccines haven't always been safe. They have had side effects and there have been problems with vaccines, of course, of illnesses.

You have a background of information where people can cherry-pick it and go there is something to worry about here. But in the case of these vaccines we are talking about now, they are absolutely safe and not having them puts the people who don't have them in danger but it puts lots of others in danger as well, but appreciate because lots of other people endanger as well.

BALDWIN: That's the thing. A lot of people are frustrated because it would put a son or daughter at risk.

VAN TULLEKEN: It puts people's children at risk. And so, people are putting their own children at risk. But there are lots of people in a community who can't have a vaccination or for whom a vaccination doesn't work. So people who are immune, who compromised who can't make antibodies to a disease even if they kind of vaccinated. It is like the HRD polls people under chemotherapy for cancer, those kinds of things. And those people getting an almost -- getting measles for them. can be absolute devastating. Measles used to kill a few hundred people every year in the U.S.

BALDWIN: But I was 2,000. I was just talking to Sanjay Gupta about this the other day. He was saying, Brooke, in 2000 it was declared eradicated.

VAN TULLEKEN: Yes. We had a few cases every year brought in from other countries, but no new cases in the U.S.

BALDWIN: So where do you see this going now, now that you have this beginning at Disneyland and you see, if you put the map up, you see all the different cases in some of the different states now affected.

VAN TULLEKEN: I think --

BALDWIN: Here you go.

VAN TULLEKEN: Absolutely. And some of the state numbers are actually quite misleading. Because if you look at I think the worst state is about seven percent of the kids are not vaccinated. But within that state, within those communities, there will be much, much higher levels. So it doubled digits. Some parts of California have up to double digits of kids not vaccinated in some particular regions because that's the culture in that region, those are the kind of parents that are living there. They tend to be, they are normally fully educated. They are often middle-class parents who made a series of decisions for their kids to do with natural parenting, things like that, which until bad decisions, the decision not to vaccinate is a bad one.

BALDWIN: No one wants to see those number of cases climb. We will be watching.

Dr. Alexander van Tulleken, thank you very much. Nice to see you.

And thank you so much for being with me. I'm Brooke Baldwin here in New York.

Stay right there. My colleague Jake Tapper is up next. "The LEAD" starts now.