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Bobbi Kristina Brown In A Medically-Induced Coma; A Woman`s Active Revenge Against A Boyfriend Who Had Dumped Her; The Super Bowl Ad That Everyone Is Talking About; Controversial Photo: New England Patriot Coach Bill Belichick Kisses 30-Year-Old Daughter, Amanda
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Latest on Bobbi Kristina. Brown-Whitney Houston`s daughter, will she survive?
Plus, a woman`s active revenge against a boyfriend who had dumped her, she killed his child. And, the most hated Super Bowl ad ever.
Let us get started with the most tweeted story of the night. Bobbi Kristina Brown in a medically-induced coma. She was found face down in a
bathtub full of water. Tonight, CNN`s Sunny Hostin reports that Bobbi Kristina she has opened and closed her eyes.
She has also had some seizures since having been hospitalized. But, naturally, the family has been urged not to read too much into that. That
can be simply reflexive and seizure can be from diffuse brain damage. Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE 911 DISPATCHER: Responding to an ECHO-level response. Possible cardiac arrest. 21-year-old female in the bathtub, facedown. PD`s
en route.
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LISA HOLLAND, SPOKESPERSON FOR THE ROSWELL DEPARTMENT IN GEORGIA: Bobbi Kristina`s husband found her face down in a bathtub in the bathroom of
their home.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (1): Her condition has been stabilized. But she is breathing with the use of a ventilator.
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HOLLAND: She is still alive and breathing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (2): The only daughter of Whitney Houston and singer Bobby Brown.
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HOLLAND: Obviously, the mother died in this very same manner with her being found deceased in a tub.
They are getting a search warrant on the house. And, they will go through and just make sure everything is covered.
No alcohol or drugs laying around.
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PINSKY: All right. Now, I have several guests with me. Loni Coombs is here with me. If I could have the guests up here that I could introduce, I
would appreciate that. There we go. I have Loni Coombs. I got Samantha Schacher from "Pop Trigger" on Hula!. I got Loni Coombs, prosecutor,
author of "My Kids." and -- not my --this is all messed up.
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LONI COOMBS, PROSECUTOR: Close enough.
PINSKY: Yes. What is it, Loni?
COOMBS: "You`re Perfect And Lies Parents Tell."
PINSKY: There we go. And, Rocsi Diaz joins us as well. She is a correspondent from HLN`s "Daily Share." Now, I want to give people the
four possibilities, Loni, of what might have happened here. We heard that she is having seizures since she was hospitalized.
COOMBS: Right.
PINSKY: And, that does not mean she had a seizure disorder before all this. But certainly a seizure and then fall into the bathtub is one
possibility.
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: Fall head injury, drowning is a possibility.
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: Foul play? I do not know what -- Loni, you think about foul play all the time. Do you think there is foul play here?
COOMBS: Well, the police so far had said they did not see any signs of foul play. So, at this point, they are just looking at medical reasons.
PINSKY: All right. No foul play. They also said no alcohol or illicit substances that has not been confirmed by CNN. However, to me that does
not mean a damn thing, because they are looking for illicit substances. I say look for pharmaceuticals.
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: And, that may also not even be in evident. That may only be in her blood stream.
COOMBS: Right.
PINSKY: So, either intentional or unintentional overdose --
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: That is how that typically this kind of thing would typically happen, Loni.
COOMBS: Yes. And, remember, too, Dr. Drew, it was just an initial look around the house when they said they did not see any drugs or alcohol.
They did not have a search warrant at the time they could not go in to any drawers or closets or anything like that. So, it is just around her. In
plane site, they did not see anything. But, there might be something that they find when they serve the search warrant.
PINSKY: Now, the final possibility is that she had some sort of unforeseen severe -- or it would have to be a severe medical problem that is hard to
imagine that she could have not known that or that they could have kept that a secret. I am sort of taking that off my list. Seizure is a
possibility.
We actually at some point -- do you have that tape where she talks about having a seizure, you, guys, control room." Or is that what is in this
next clip? Can you tell me that?
All right. So, they are going to try to get -- here we go. This is from her lifetime show where Kristina is talking about the night her mom had
died. And, she says -- she said something about seizure that caught my ear. Take a look at this.
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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN, ONLY DAGHTER OF WHITNEY HOUSTON AND BOBBY BROWN: It feel so weird without mom. I was just like sitting there like, why -- like
why? I just -- I want to sleep. That is all I want to do.
NICK GORDON, BOBBI KRISTINA`S HUSBAND: It is the worst thing ever.
KRISTINA: He came and he got me. I was not breathing. My heart stopped. I had a seizure or something.
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PINSKY : So there you go. She talks about having had a seizure. And, then there are other issues here, Loni in terms of her having, you know,
this anniversary of her mom`s death.
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: You have to wonder whether something could have motivated her to inadvertently or intentionally do something to herself. I mean it is a
sad, sad story.
COOMBS: Well, I think that is what a lot of people are concerned about is the coincidence of the timing. I mean, yes, there could be thes medical
issues that we did or did not know about, but the timing of it.
I remember, right around the first anniversary of her mother`s death, she was rushed to the hospital and, apparently, at that point she had mixed
some type of medication with some alcohol, and that sent her to the hospital. So, it seems to be this time, obviously, she is still grieving.
It is a very difficult time if anyone lost a loved one that is very close to them, you go through reliving it when you get up to that time. And, it
is a week away from when Whitney Houston died, the third anniversary.
And, so, the timing of it, the coincidence seems like maybe there is something intentional about it. We do not know. It is pure speculation at
this point, but that is what is making everyone think there is something more to this than a medical issue.
PINSKY: Yes. A couple issues here. They are saying that she opened and closed her eyes. And, that, again, when somebody is in a coma, that
happens. It does not really mean anything. It means she is not brain dead, though.
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: So, that is really important.
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: They also said she had seizuring in the hospital, which can happen after hypoxic brain injury. What has happened here is the blood has been
cut off during the drowning, during the respiratory arrest.
If you remember, Joan Rivers, very similar situation. We were wondering, you know, when are we are going to find out? Is she going one way or the
other? It takes time. To be able to predict what is going to happen with hypoxic brain injury is very difficult.
I want to bring in my other two guests. I got Sam and Rocsi here. You, guys, still with me. We have some technical problems, obviously. Welcome
back. Rocsi, do you want to give us any more details on what is going on with the family saying, what not?
ROCSI DIAZ, HLN ANCHOR OF "THE DAILY SHARE": You know, as of right now, the family is not saying anything, Drew. It is, basically, everything that
we all know from right now is speculation. We know that Saturday at 10:25 a.m., she was found in the bathtub face down by her husband and her friend.
And, her husband was the one, who conducted CPR on her. Then the husband and her friend were by her side as well, taken to the hospital where she is
on a ventilator right now in a medically induced coma.
There is speculations all over the internet. Of course, we just heard Sunny say that she was opening and closing her eyes, but people are still
kind of fearing for the worst. Now, that is the vibe that I am getting on social media right now. It is just a sad story.
PINSKY: Yes. And, Rocsi, I am afraid that after the kind of injury where they have to induce a coma, that means it has been a terrible injury. But
she is a young -- young people sometimes can have phenomenal recoveries from significant hypoxic injuries.
Again, with the blood supplies cut off to the brain because they are not breathing. Oxygen is cut off to the brain because they are not breathing.
But, I do not know, the longer this goes, the worse it gets, Sam. Social media, family, what are they saying, Sam?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULA!: So, I do have a statement from the family, Dr. Drew. And, I do want to touch on the
reaction on social media and her profile. So, the family released a statement, quote, "Bobbi Kristina is fighting for her life and is
surrounded by immediate family. As her father already stated, we are asking you to honor our request for privacy during this difficult time."
What is interesting about her social profile, Dr. Drew, it is in direct contrast to a lot of these headlines, right? Because she seems very upbeat
and positive and a strong, independent woman on her Twitter page is --
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: -- She also celebrates her mother rather than mourns her. And, then recently, she talked about how excited she was about her new future in
music and television and film. But, then, at the same time, you do hear these headlines that she also felt very isolated. That she had this
yearning to become famous, yet she also did not feel like that she could live up to her -- the legend of her mother and her father.
PINSKY: There is a couple things that I think about when I see this case. And, one is that really -- listen, people who are celebrities or children
of celebrities, it is hard. There is a lot of stress. But, what counts is -- the same that counts for everybody.
Her mother died. She lives in a house where there seems to be substance. Her family broke apart. That is what matters to this young lady, not the
fact that she is in the public eye. That does not help. Believe me.
But, the fact that she came from this situation that there is allegations of drug use in the past, makes you wonder if that is -- of course, I always
think that way. I agree. But, the other thing I want to point out here is that we are purely speculating. We, actually, know nothing. We really do
not know a damn thing right now.
But, here is what I do know, I guarantee you, poor Bobby Brown is suffering. That man has lost his wife -- somebody who was important in his
life and now possibly -- at least his daughter has been severely injured. He is suffering. And, we got to think about that as we analyze this.
In the meantime, people are wondering what is happening. We are just trying to understand it. But, the fact is, we know little or nothing
factually. So, we are just trying to make sense of all this.
Next up, I got a woman who knows Bobbi Kristina and was with Whitney shortly before she had died. And, later, revenge killing of a child, all
because the little girl`s father broke up with this woman, the murderer. Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The social media side of Bobbi Kristina, on viral video.
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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Never mind I will find, someone like you
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: On Twitter.
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BOBBI KRISTNA: "Let us start this career up and moving OUT to YOU ALL quick, shall we?"
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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: "Hi, world! Yes, I am a night owl. And, this is when my creative side comes out, ALL THE TIME! I need to be in the studio
RIGHT NOW! SOON, very SOON."
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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: "On my own".
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: And, on a Bravo reality T.V. show.
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BOBBY BROWN, FATHER OF BOBBI KRISTINA: If you do not stop trying to pickpocket --
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: I am not pickpocket nobody.
BOBBY BROWN, FATHER OF BOBBI KRISTINA: Stay out of my pocket.
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Daddy, you do not need all that money.
BOBBY BROWN: Get out of my pocket.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: But, who is the real Bobbi Kristina?
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PINSKY: Back with Vanessa Barnett from Hiphollywood.com, Leeann Tweeden, host of LA Today on AM570 Radio and Nicci Gilbert joins us, R&B artist,
producer. Bobbi Kristina Brown is in medically induced coma.
Her family says she is, quote, "Fighting for her life." Nicci, you knew Whitney, Bobbi`s mom, and you were -- Bobbi Kristina`s mom, and you were
worried that something like this could happen to Bobbi Kristina. Tell me why.
NICCI GILBERT-DANIELS, R&B ARTIST/PRODUCER, KNOW WHITNEY HOUSTON: You know, I cannot believe that we are back here again.
PINSKY: Yes.
GILBERT-DANIELS: We are actually having this conversation --
PINSKY: And, by the way, thank you --
GILBERT-DANIELS: It is like a bad case of Deja vu.
PINSKY: And, let me say, thank you for joining us here, again. I really appreciate you coming out. You really helped us get our head around poor
Whitney`s demise. And, now this, it is just too much.
GILBERT-DANIELS: Well, she is still here. And, we are still praying that she is going to be here with us, but the reality is that it is a tough
situation. And, we are just really hoping and praying that Bobbi Kristina pulls through. And, I think that it was pretty obvious where her head was
in her social media. She was really interested in pursuing her career, maybe continuing her mother`s legacy.
And, I think it is really important for people to understand that we have a responsibility to uplift her. We have a responsibility to be there to see
to it that this just does not happen. I am dumfounded. I cannot believe that this is happening again.
PINSKY: Let me ask you. Again, trying to understand what has happened here, is there a possibility this was an accident? That she fell and hit
her head or had a seizure or took too much of something inadvertently?
GILBERT-DANIELS: You know, I want to believe -- none of it was good, but I want to believe that this is not a case of a suicide attempt. I want to
believe this is not a case of drug addiction.
I mean, and if we had to pick one of the few very awful circumstances, you know, let us hope it is something that was accidental and something that
was not intentional or done as a result of her being depressed or lonely. Because that makes me feel bad as someone who loved her mother, someone who
loves her.
And, I just -- I feel in some ways accountable for maybe not doing what I can as an artist, doing what I can as someone to lift her. I know you
never know what somebody is going through.
And, not that I am saying that any of us should take responsibility for it. But, I want this to be a wake-up call for all of us, so when she does come
out on the other side of this, that there are quite people and places in line for her to land softly.
PINSKY: Nicci, do you know what -- was she struggling with the upcoming anniversary of her mom`s death or had she been expressing despair lately?
Or is this something that came upon recently?
GILBERT-DANIELS: Yes. I mean, you know, I think that there had been some things that she was concerned about. The whole family had mentioned some
things that they were concerned about, whether it is, you know, the -- which I think Angela Bassett did an amazing job with the Whitney Houston
movie.
But, I do think that there was some issues there, as far as she was concerned. She is very young. It is very difficult. This is coming up on
the anniversary of her mother. So, I do not think any of us can blame her for how she feels.
And, I think that the family has publicly stated that some of the situations were tough. And, none of us, you know, was the daughter of
Whitney Houston, so none of us really is that liberty to the side how much she should hurt --
PINSKY: Here is -- Here is --
GIBERT-DANIELS: -- or how much she should be affected.
PINSKY: I have a quote. Actually, a little piece of tape of what Bobbi Kristina told Oprah, a year after her mother`s death. Have a look.
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OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST/AMERICAN MEDIA PROPRIETIOR: Are you finding through this period that you did not know your own strength?
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Yes.
WINFREY: That is good.
WINFREY: Yes. Yes. I did not, because, if you were to ask me these months ago, I would have said, I would not be able to get through it. I
would have said no. I would have went right with her. I would not have gotten through it at all. But --
WINFREY: You are getting through it?
BOBBI KRISTINA BROW: Yes. Yes. I am.
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PINSKY: I want to bring my panel in. Leeann, do you have a reaction to that?
LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: You know, it is just so sad and so tragic, Dr. Drew, to lose your mother like that. And, you know, what I see
when I look at a young girl like that who -- when we talk about social media and we talk about it all the time on this show, Dr. Drew, you just
never know what somebody is really feeling.
Because usually on Twitter and on Facebook, we always try to put our good face forward, you know? We try to be happy all the time. And, sometimes
that is just not life, you know? How can you not be affected that. In just a few days, it is the anniversary of your mother`s death?
And, the only thing that you want is your mother`s love and your mother to be there in your life because you are young, and she does not have that.
To me it is tragic that this might be happening again. And, we talk about this, Dr. Drew, on your show all the time, the cycle of things that happen.
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: Whether it is a cycle of drug abuse or the cycle of emotional problems, mental health problems that maybe she just felt overwhelmed and
the only comfort she could have is to go the way her mom did. I do not know. I am praying for this young girl, because you know, it would be too
tragic to have it happen again.
PINSKY: Yes, I get it. We are purely speculating. For all we know, this was an accident. But, Vanessa, it is really weird, though, right? Same
way, face down in water, less than three years --
VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Right.
PINSKY: -- almost to the anniversary of her mother`s death.
BARNETT: It is disturbing to say the least, and I think we all echo Nicci`s sentiments when we say we are still praying, we are still hopeful
she is still here with us. But it also begs the question, does she feel like she had anyone that she could talk to?
I know there have been reports that there were issues with her husband. I know she tweeted that she is on her own. And, you know, I know there have
been speculation that she was trying to rebuild that relationship with her father, things that happened with her grandmother, Whitney`s mother.
And, I just wonder, is there -- was there someone she felt like she could go to, someone she felt like she could talk to? And, you know, what could
have been done to prevent this conflict?
PINSKY: Well, let us ask Nicci if she knows it. Was there someone in the family that she felt supported by that you knew of?
GILBERT-DANIELS: I am sure. You know, I have a young daughter myself. So, I am sure there were people. I am sure her aunt. I am sure her
grandmother was there. I am sure her dad was there and loved her very much.
But, when you are dealing with younger minds, especially young women, it is so difficult out here. And, sometimes you do not go to your family.
Sometimes you need a support group that you feel will understand you a little better and will not criticize you so much.
PINSKY: Leeann.
TWEEDEN: Dr. Drew --
GILBERT-DANIELS: She very well could have had that.
TWEDEN: The one thing I thought about too is that, you know, she always talked about trying -- she wanted to be famous. And, then she is talking
about her singing career. You know, this is not 21-year-old girl.
I mean did she like playing basketball? Did she like tennis? Did she like hanging with her friends? I feel like maybe she just felt in her own life
that she had to live up to her mother. I mean who can live up the way --
PINSKY: Well, we do not know. Leeann, we do not know. All I can tell you for sure is that --
GILBERT-DANIELS: Who does not want to? --
PINSKY: -- I know it is an easy thing to jump to.
TWEEDEN: True. Yes.
PINSKY: But, I think said it earlier in the program, what I have dealt with celebrities in their children and what is important to them is the
same exact thing that is important to all of us.
This is her mom that has died. She, of course, wants to be productive and have a career. She got a situation with her dad. There were substances.
There was chaos with a broken family. That is what matters to her.
And, that this is the anniversary of her mother`s death. That is meaningful whether this is an accident or not. Hopefully, some day we will
know something. Right now, we do not know much.
But, I am going to bring in a behavior bureau to discuss. And, later, the Super Bowl ad that everyone is talking about and people hate. Back after
this.
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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: My stomach hurts so bad. I feel like I am going to get sick again.
PAT HOUSTON, WHITNEY HOUSTON`S SISTER-IN-LAW: What did you guys consume when you left us last night?
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: It is probably the wine from last night. I think I am allergic to alcohol.
PAT HOUSTON: So, why did you drink it?
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: I do not know.
PAT HOUSTON: Now, why do you want to choose to have all this drama?
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: No.
PAT HOUSTON: Then you have to stop. And, there is nobody who want to keep trying to keep you from pouring Vodka on your Cheerios.
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PINSKY: That was a clip from Bobbi Kristina`s reality show on Lifetime. We are back with our behavior bureau. Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist,
professor at Pepperdine University; Spirit, psychotherapist and Leeann Tweeden back.
Bobbi Kristina Brown is, quote, "Fighting for her life" according to family. She is in a medically-induced coma. She has had, what is called,
hypoxic brain injury.
That is where you do not breath. She was in water, and the oxygen does not get to your head. Your brain can only survive for a few minutes that way.
And, now she is on life support.
But, we hear she is opening and closing her eyes, which means she is not brain dead. But it does not mean much about what might be going on in
terms of her long-term prognosis. Leeann, what about missed warning signs? Do you see anything here?
TWEEDEN: You know, Dr. Drew, like I said before in the other segment, I just see a girl that is very young, still trying to find her way. I
remember when I was 19, 20, 21 years old, I was in L.A., trying to make it in the entertainment business. And, it is a very hard road as it is.
I cannot even imagine being the daughter of Whitney Houston, who is one of the biggest celebrities and singers in the entire world, right? I just see
a girl that was just trying to find her way. She lost her mom who was probably her one compass. And, whether mom was a good role model or not,
it does not matter. It was her mother, and she is gone.
And, she is dealing with a lot of the things. She married a boy that was brought into their family that she, basically, grew up with that was kind
of like a brother to her. I mean that -- I found that strange as well. But, that is probably the only comfort that she has known growing up. So,
that is what she has gravitated towards.
I think her relationship with her father is a little strained. So, I think there is so many things. When I said before does she have any other
interests, I feel like she was never able to be a child. Like did she ever have any interests outside of trying to be a singer or trying to be
celebrity or walk a red carpet? I just feel like she never had time to grow up.
PINSKY: Well, we do not know whether this was an accident or something more sinister. But, you just saw some footage of her intoxicated or having
been intoxicated. If the control room can pull up this other tape. We got some tape, again, from the same show, the reality show on Lifetime called
"The Houstons On Our Own." Spirit, I may have you comment on this. Take a look.
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PAT HOUSTON: What was that?
NICK GORDON: OK. Are you ready?
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: It is like apple juice. It tastes good. I am -- I am going to make it now. It is going to be good.
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Uncle Ray said --
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Uncle Ray, I am not that bad of a cook. OK?
RAY HOUSTON, BOBBI KRISTINA`S UNCLE: OK.
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Like my cooking is not that bad.
NICK GORDON: I will be the tester.
PAT HOUSTON: It is hot.
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: I will be the tester.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Spirit, footage like that and the other tape where a woman is saying that she puts Vodka on her cereal, whether or not that is hyperbole
or not with a family history she has had, it is worrisome whether or not this was an accident.
SPIRIT CLANTON, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: You know, it is extremely worrisome. And, the hard part is when you see that, Dr. Drew, it makes you feel bad.
Because what I am watching is a bunch of people who love her, clearly love her and are trying to help her but just may not have the coping skills to
be able to do so.
You know, in the first segment, you heard the woman ask her about the cheerios. She said, "Why do you want all of this drama? Why do you bring
this into your life?" And, what she may not understand is that it is anything but it is totally the opposite.
She is looking for a way to relieve some of it, but she does not know what to do. And, they are all sitting there, they know that something is wrong
with her. But, nobody knows how to respond appropriately.
And, so, what we may have is a bunch of people who love this young child, who just do not know how to help her. And, it is a common theme that
happens over and over every day, all across this country.
PINSKY: That is right. That is right, Spirit. It sure does. And, Judy, Spirit brings up the issue of chaos. When you are raised in some chaos,
when you have substance abuse in your family system, you are at risk of inheriting that gene. And, you are at risk of being traumatized by having
been raised in that system. Either or both, they are not good. And, then recreating the trauma in your own life.
JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: That is right. When you are raised in chaos, Dr. Drew, you are drawn to chaos because the familiar is still
better than the unfamiliar. Even if the unfamiliar might mean that you might have more positivity and more common ground, you are not going to go
there because you know how to deal with drama.
You do not know how to deal with your life when there is not drama. They actually feels kind of startling to some of these people. Not to mention
what you just talked about, Dr. Drew, that there is a biological link with addictive disorders.
Not only is there a biological link, there is a social modeling that happened with these parents. And, this is how she solves her problems,
because it is the only coping skill that she saw in her family growing up.
PINSKY: And, there was another worrisome picture on Twitter last year, which prompted people to criticize Bobbi Kristina for being too skinny. I
do not know if we have that -- yes, there. Spirit, is this another problem? Is it just being in a public and unrealistic body images. I
mean, again, we are just -- we are trying to get our head around what this poor girl had to deal with.
CLANTON: Yes. I mean it could be a lot. I look at that and if it was someone that I was working with, I would probably wonder, is this about
control? You know, if you feel like every other aspect of your life is out of control, and weight has been an issue and, you know, the media has been
very cruel to Bobbi Kristina over the years.
So, did she finally figure, weight is something that I can do something about. And, unfortunately, it went to the extreme. I am not saying that,
that is the case here, but I am saying that it would be something that I would want to explore if she were my client.
PINSKY: Now, something I was just thinking about. There is a tweet up alongside of Spirit there. It says, "Miracles still happen. Pray for
Bobbi Kristina." I completely believe that. There is a possibility after hypoxic brain injury in a young brain particularly that there can be a
decent recovery. Judy, you want to say something?
HO: Yes. I just wanted to comment on that, that you know, like you said earlier, it is helpful and hopeful that her eyes are blinking. But, there
is just so much that you lose with every minute that you are under.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: And, not only is there brain cells that die during the hypoxia, there is all of the free radicals that get created that then cause further damage
as we go on.
PINSKY: Right.
HO: So, I feel like -- it is hard for people to really understand, because she is blinking her eyes. Maybe that means something.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: But it might not. She might be a very low level of functioning when they take her off the sedatives.
PINSKY: Right. That could be just reflexive. She still could have inability to breathe on her own, swallow on her own, that sort of business
but it is not a dead brain. When people are having reflex responses, that is not brain dead. And, that make things sometimes even worse for family
members because they have to make decision about ventilators, yes or no.
HO: Right.
PINSKY: All these kinds of horrible, horrible decisions. But, I want to give some hope out there, because the fact is, young brains can recover. I
have seen amazing things. In the next few days, we will really tell.
Now, next up, a woman kills her ex`s toddler for revenge because the boyfriend had dumped her. It is the worst of Casey with the worst of Jodi.
And, there she is.
And, later Super bomber, Super Bowl bomber. We will talk about the commercial and took the fun out of the biggest football game of the year.
Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Melinda Muniz killed her fiance`s 2-year-old daughter. Prosecutor said she was angry about their unraveling
relationship, which started when her man realized she was sharing nude photos of herself with her personal trainer. Little Grace was found in her
crib with duct tape over her mouth. And, cops stated the scene was staged to look like she had been sexually assaulted.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Wow. Back with Sam, Vanessa, Loni. And, what -- WTF, the most shocking story of the night, dominating social media. Took a jury 45
minutes to convict Melinda Muniz of murdering her Fiance`s 2-year-old daughter.
It is the worst of Jodi Arias rolled in with the worst of Casey Anthony. And, they clearly did not buy the story. She actually told several
versions of the story. Sam, did not she?
SCHACHER: She did, Dr. Drew. May this woman rot in jail. And, she is not only a baby killer, but yes an idiot and a liar. So, first, she told the
investigators that some intruders came in to her home and that they sexually assaulted --
PINSKY: Wait. Were they ninjas? Were they dressed as ninjas? It sounds so familiar.
SCHACHER: Yes. All like Jodi Arias. I guess she watched the Jodi Arias trial. She probably did. Took some notes. Then when that did not add up,
she said that she and Grace were playing arts and craft and that Grace placed a duct tape on her own mouth. When that did not add up, then she
said, "Oh, I have amnesia. I do not remember anything."
PINSKY: Amnesia, again?
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Fantastic.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Well, the surveillance tape remembers everything. And, they caught her buying zip ties, duct tape and cotton swabs and kitchen shears
with the little baby Grace in tow. Loni, did these changing stories and that tape seal the deal?
COOMBS: Absolutely. Look, this jury must have hated her because she lied so many times. I mean her story was that they were doing arts and crafts
with duct tape, nylon zip ties and scissors with the 2-year-old, really?
And, then she said, "Well, I had amnesia." And, she made up all these stories. Juries hate liars. They hate child killers. A cute little 2-
year-old girl helpless taken with the killer to go buy these items as she set the crime scene.
And, then this is a woman killing a little girl. And, I will tell you, juries hate to have mothers. Mother figures killing children, because it
goes against every maternal instinct that every woman has that a woman would actually kill child. So, this jury came back in 45 minutes and I
will bet that death penalty is on the table. They would not have a problem giving her the death penalty.
PINSKY: I wonder, Vanessa, with this picture of her, I wonder if men are responding to her the way they respond to Casey Anthony, because I really
think -- when I look at this picture, I think about Casey Anthony. You know?
BARNETT: There is always some idiot that can only see her hotness. But at the end of the day, I think most people -- because a child is involved, I
think they would be more reserved and saying, "Oh, she is hot."
PINSKY: Oh my God! Look at this child.
BARNETT: This is unconscionable. I cannot understand this.
PINSKY: Well -- Wait, Vanessa. I have something good for you. I have something -- they recorded a jailhouse call to the mom -- between the mom
and this Muniz character. And, Melinda asked her mom, "Cannot they say I am mentally ill or something?" Vanessa, come on now.
BARNETT: This is the problem, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: It is not a problem. It is not a problem. It does not make her any less sinister. I am sure she is mentally ill.
BARNETT: No! No!
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: No, no. Well, not mentally ill -- wait, wait. I am sure there is a brain explanation for it, but she is evil.
BARNETT: No.
SCHACHER: Evil.
COOMBS: Evil.
BARNETT: And, that is the problem. That is how people who cannot draw the distinction between pure evil and mental illness. And, that is where the
stigma comes in. And, that is why people get so mad when people plead insane and then get off, so to speak. Because you have idiots like this
taking those words and manipulate them and using them and trying to get off on child murder.
This is unconscionable and is just disgusting. And, if I could, if I was related to this child, I think I would put my hands around her neck. I
would put duct tape on her mouth. This is just -- I cannot even sadden how someone thinks it is OK, because a man wants to dump you? You are cheating
on him. He should dump you.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, he was looking -- she does this horrible things because this was not the first time. She also pretended that she was
mugged so she could get sympathy from this boyfriend.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: So, Dr. Drew, do not tell me that this is some form of Munchausen by Proxy, because she is getting sympathy by doing horrendous
acts.
PINSKY: No, no. No. No. Look, she may have been a trauma -- She may have been a trauma survivor. And, that may have been why she gravitated
towards thinking her as a victim and recreating traumatization and creating chaos, most of.
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: But, she is missing a part of her brain. She is missing a part of the brain that -- I hear Loni saying yes, yes, yes. The part where you
develop emphaty or people actually exist as separate agents. That child was just a tool for her to get at the boyfriend --
COOMBS: Right.
PINSKY: -- Because she was angry.
COOMBS: It was revenge. It was revenge. And, Dr. Drew, there are some people that are just pure evil. When you look into their eyes, and you can
tell they are pure evil. And, that is what this woman was.
PINSKY: Well, that is what I was thinking about Casey Anthony.
COOMBS: Yes.
PINSKY: I thought -- You saw those pictures, she sort of feels familiar when you look at her. Is not she?
COOMBS: Yes. Yes. Well, and it is interesting because actually part of her defense was she said she was a domestic violence victim.
PINSKY: Right.
COOMBS: That this guy had, you know, abused her.
PINSKY: Just like Jodi.
COOMBS: And, so, she killed the child.
SCHACHER: Oh my God!
PINSKY: Just like Jodi.
COOMBS: Yes. She killed the child. She did not kill the alleged abuser.
SCHACHER: Right.
COOMBS: She kills the 2-year-old helpless child. So, that did not fly at all.
PINSKY: So, we are saying, the score here is Jodi is better than this one -- this woman?
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, you cannot compare the two.
PINSKY: Well, we can compare them. I mean look at them. It is something eerily familiar in both those faces.
BARNETT: Both of them have crazy eyes.
PINSKY: I am telling you what --
BARNETT: That is evil.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: All right, here is what I am going to do. I will bring in the behavior bureau and I will talk about that part of the brain where
something is missing here.
And, later Super Bowl celebration, in that, a dad who is a coach kisses the daughter on the lips. What is wrong with that? There it is. Check us out
on Facebook for articles update, show clips and the latest from HLN and "Dr. Drew On Call." Back after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: It took a jury just 45 minutes to convict Melinda of murdering 2-year-old Grace Ford. She claimed she was a victim
of home invasion, that she had amnesia and that the little girl put duct tape over her own mouth. But when none her stories matched the evidence,
Melinda`s fate was sealed.
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PINSKY: Back with the behavior bureau, Judy, Spirit and Leeann. The judge sentenced Melinda Muniz to life in prison without parole for killing the
fiance`s baby girl, that beautiful little girl. That we are just looking at there moments ago.
And, prosecutors say it was because she was angry about an impending breakup, which had been prompted by this Melinda, this chick sharing nude
photos of herself pose with her trainer.
I see you shaking your head, Judy. You got me here. I mean she may have been a trauma survivor. She may have all these things going on, but she is
missing a part of her brain. She is a psychopath -- sociopath.
HO: Yes. She is a psychopath and she is not a very smart one because she thinks she is going to get away with all types of stuff that have holes all
over the place. But this planful behavior, Dr. Drew, her actually going around to stage a trauma, to stage an invasion, and that this was not her
first time. There is so many signs here that this is the kind of person that she is, that she does not have empathy and that she lives for,
basically, tricking other people.
PINSKY: Danine Manette got a tweet up there alongside of you. It seems like she was blaming the father a little bit for letting this person with
the quote, "Danine jacked-up judgment" get around that child.
Well, that dad, Mitch Ford, says Melinda lied about being attacked before, that she said she had been mugged as you said Judy, in a parking lot. Of
course, he learned all of this was not true.
Spirit, again, this is signs of a real primitive personality but more than that. We can understand it as, you know, the certain part of the brain not
working. We can understand it as somebody with a personality disorder. But, this is way -- this does a disservice to people with a personality
disorder to compare her with that.
CLANTON: Absolutely. Absolutely, Dr. Drew. This is a story that just turns my stomach and breaks my heart all at the same time. And, you know,
there is a -- you hear this and I reserve it often. There is a special place in hell for people like this.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: Amen.
CLANTON: UInfortunately, with this woman, there is no hope for this kind of person.
PINSKY: Right.
SCHACHER: Right.
CLANTON: And, so this is where the jails -- this is who they should be reserved for.
PINSKY: Yes.
CLANTON: This woman should never see the light of day, because there is no amount of therapy that can help her. There is no rehabilitation, because
like you said, Dr. Drew, she lacks the part of her brain that will ever make her a member of society that would be safe and functional --
functionable for anybody else. She is a danger.
PINSKY: There may have been a time when perhaps she could have been addressed, but that was long gone, long ago.
SCHACHER: When she was a child.
PINSKY: Now the brain is set. Now, the defense, though, claimed that the boyfriend threatened her with a gun to try to get information about the
daughter`s death. They say she was a victim of domestic violence. I heard Spirit say it does not matter. Leeann, have at it.
TWEEDEN: Oh, please, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: By Jodi.
TWEEDEN: She is just like Jodi, setting it up to make it look good for her. So, she thought -- She thought she could beat out any investigator,
right? Because, she put the duct tape on her face and crawled back in the crib, and then it was like, "Oh, you know what? I suddenly have amnesia."
How about the phone call to her mother? Is this bitch not stupid enough to understand that your phone calls are being recorded? And she is like, "Oh,
maybe they can just say that I am mentally ill or something."
SCHACHER: Oh my Gosh.
TWEEDEN: I mean really, Dr. Drew?
CLANTON: That is the narcissistic part.
TWEEDEN: I want to punch this woman in the face.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: That made me so angry.
PINSKY: There is a weird wrinkle in this. It makes me think that sometimes the guys are sexually addicted, they get involved with these
women. Because after the whole incident, the baby`s father was criticized during the trial for continuing the relationship with this woman.
TWEEDEN: Yes.
CLANTON: He thought she is a great lover.
PINSKY: Well, but if you remember, that is how Jodi sucked in her victim, by getting in through the sex addiction.
CLANTON: Exactly.
PINSKY: And, it is interesting that, that may be what these women use as a way of getting these guys to -- I mean I think that this is how these guys
get sucked into these relationships, you know?
In terms of specifically what I would say about this is the part of brain where it is not working, it is isolated to various regions around in here,
people do know -- people are doing research on what it is in the brain of a sociopath that is different.
But, what I find fascinating are these guys that fall for these women and get sucked in and even the face of this -- let us call, what it is? Evil
behavior, they stay with it. Thank you, panel.
All right, guys. Thank you panel. Next up, the super sad Super Bowl ad. Its star was dead as a child. I will explain what I mean. Take us with
you wherever you go. Get our HLN to go app for any device you might have. Back after this.
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ALI NEJAD, HOST OF ESPNU "ROAD TRIP": At a cost of $4.5 million for each 30 second ad, everybody is looking to knock it out of the park on Super
Bowl Sunday. The advertisers at least.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: This is a very hard hitting message, right? And, it is very serious.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED YOUNG BOY: I will never learn to fly.
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: The saddest Super Bowl ad ever.
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UNIDENTIFIED YOUNG BOY: I could not grow up because I died from an accident.
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PETER SHANKMAN, BRANDING AND SOCIAL MEDIA CONSULTANT: There is very little that can stop a Super Bowl party. Kid death can usually stop a Super Bowl
party. And, I am just not sure what the connection was.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Vanessa, Spirit. We call this seriously, a story you might not believe if it were not true. A nationwide insurance ad that
aired during the Super Bowl has everyone talking. Take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED YOUNG BOY (1): Hey! Wait. Wait. Wait.
UNIDENTIFIED YOUNG BOY (2): I will never learn to ride a bike. Or get cooties. I will never learn to fly. Or travel the world with my best
friend. And, I will not ever get married. I could not grow up, because I died from an accident.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: At Nationwide, we believe in protecting what matters most, your kids. Together, we can make safe happen.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Nationwide says the goal was to raise awareness about preventable accidents. The number 1 killer of children in the U.S., critics say it was
depressing and inappropriate. Sam, they are voicing their opinions on social media. What are they saying?
SCHACHER: Oh, I see so much anger, Dr. Drew, but also a lot of sarcasm. So, hash tags like #nationwidekills and #deadkidcommercial are popping up.
Mikah tweeted, quote, "And, I will never buy anything from Nationwide. WTF was that all about?"
Rob tweeted, "Hope you guys are having a great day. Did you know your kid is probably going to die soon? Enjoy your nachos in funeral planning."
And, the "Today Show`s" Willie Geist tweeted, quote, "I just saw the dark in silhouette of the Nationwide keen at my bedroom doorway, then just like
that he was gone. Thanks, Nationwide."
PINSKY: Spirit, what do you think about this?
CLANTON: I think it was genius, Dr. Drew. It was genius. Because as much as it made people angry, it made them feel bad, we are still talking
about it.
PINSKY: Yes.
CLANTON: They got their money`s worth and then some.
PINSKY: And --
CLANTON: And, ultimately, that was a tearjerker. You would want to protect your children.
BARNETT: No. I do not agree.
PINSKY: And, Vanessa, I know you are going to say no. But, could there be a better audience to reach? As big an audience as possible. Number 1
killer of children. Why not raise awareness, so made them a little depress --
BARNETT: It may --
PINSKY: I remember when it played, but a lot of Seattle fans were already pre-depressed during that game anyway.
(LAUGHING)
BARNETT: Right. That was pretty fast.
PINSKY: But, you know, if it was anywhere near the point in which they were intercepted in the end zone -- it raised awareness about the most
important cause of death in young kids. It is really important.
BARNETT: Yes, but if you for one second believe Nationwide only did that commercial to spread awareness, then I have beachfront property to sell
you. They are BS`ing you. They did it because they want to sell their insurance.
And, this is why it does not work. Yes, everyone is talking about it. We are all up in arms. We are all discussing it. Yes, I am now aware that,
that is the number one cause that my child may die, thanks Nationwide.
PINSKY: No. Keep an eye on your child and she will not.
BARNETT: But, I will not --
PINSKY: That is the bottom line.
BARNETT: I will not buy Nationwide.
PINSKY: And, by the way, the bathtub, the crib --
BARNETT: I will not buy it.
PINSKY: The medicated -- the cleaning solutions under the sink, that was a good message, I thought.
BARNETT: It was a good message. But, guess what? You can go about it in several different ways that will actually have people wanting to buy your
insurance, not telling people -- not having people tweet that I will never buy it in my life. This backfired and it backfired in a big way.
PINSKY: All right, well we --
SCHACHER: I do not think it backfired.
PINSKY: What is that?
SCHACHER: I do not feel like it backfired because as Spirit said, we are all talking about it. And, like you said, Dr. Drew, tens of millions of
people watched it. So, if one or two people now children are somehow saved from one of these unfortunate accidents, well then so be it, great.
Hallelujah
PINSKY: And, we are putting up a poll. Tell us what you think. If you can please tell me how they can reach that poll again. Show me the
information. Facebook page and hlntv.com. We are asking whether Nationwide`s ad about the accidental death was a good idea or not. Right
now, 69 percent of you say, it was not a good idea.
All right, I am switching now to the coach is kiss. Another controversy from the Super Bowl above off the plain field. This photo shows the New
England Patriot coach, Bill Belichick, in a kiss with his 30-year-old daughter, Amanda. This kiss on the lips has been described as everything
from sweet to super weird. Spirit, weird or not?
CLANTON: It was five seconds.
SCHACHER: Right.
CLANTON: You caught him having an on the lip kiss. It was wonderful. More need to have it.
PINSKY: There you go. Vanessa says yes. Sam?
SCHACHER: I agree. Everybody leave them alone. Geez!
CLANTON: Kisses, daddy. Mwuah! Kisses, mommy! Mwuah!
PINSKY: And, by the way, things can look weird as you catch stuff in a moment of --
BARNETT: Exactly. What would you do if you won the Super Bowl? I am saying.
PINSKY: There you go. Under the very circumstance, we know what happened. "Forensic Files," next.
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