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Bobbi Kristina Browns`s Family at Her Bedside; Battle Over "American Sniper"
Aired February 05, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, six days, six nights in a coma. Family members at Bobbi Kristina Brown`s bedside. We will hear from them.
And, the battle over "American Sniper" rate is on. And, right here it goes on here and in America.
Let us get started with our most tweeted story of the night, as Bobbi Kristina Brown`s family holds out hope for her recovery. We are learning
more about what happened in the days and hours before the reported or alleged accident. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Bobby Brown has a baby on the way, as fears grow about losing Bobbi Kristina.
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LISA HOLLAND, SPOKESPERSON FOR THE ROSWELL POLICE DEPARTMENT: 911 call stating that a lady was unresponsive in a bathtub.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE 911 DISPATCHER: Responding to an echo-level response. Possible cardiac arrest. 21-year-old female in the bathtub, facedown.
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TWEEDEN: Every second that you are not -- you do not have oxygen to your brain does detrimental things to your life.
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HOLLAND: I, honestly, do not know if they were just in another part of the house or if they had just come home and found her.
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DAX HOLT, TMZ REPORTER: And, at the initial search, cops did not find anything. But, that was kind of just a visual search.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Roughly two weeks ago, came in to get some piercings. She got several piercings that day. She was bubbly that day,
really happy most of the time. She talked about her mom and the upcoming anniversary of her mother`s death, so she was a little depressed over that.
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PINSKY: Joining us, Nicci Gilbert-Daniels, R&B artist/producer. She knows Bobbi Kristina and was with Whitney Houston shortly before her death.
Anahita Sedagatfar, attorney at Anahitalive.com; Sunny Hostin, CNN Legal Analyst and host of HLN`s News in a Movie. Sunny people are reportedly
going to the hospital to say good-bye to Bobbi Kristina. What are your sources telling you?
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You know, I am not told that they are going to the hospital to say good-bye, Drew. But, they are certainly all
convening at the hospital to support Bobbi Kristina, to support the family.
And, so my understanding is that more family members will be arriving tomorrow and also over the weekend. But the family has indicated that
Bobbi Kristina is alive, that for them it is a waiting game. They are hopeful. They are praying.
But that certainly, you know, none of the things that you are hearing like, you know, they are trying to take her off of life support or people are
going there to say their good-byes. I have not heard anything like that.
PINSKY: Well, saying she is alive is just saying she is not brain dead. It does not mean that she can safely remain off life support systems. You
know, you can just have minor brain stem functions like swallowing and breathing and still be called alive. Do we have any idea what level of
coma she is at?
HOSTIN: Well, you know, my understanding is that certainly earlier this week, she has been in this medically-induced coma. She has been heavily
sedated. They did make attempts to wean her off or at least take the sedatives down, so that they could assess brain function.
PINSKY: Right.
HOSTIN: When they did that, Bobbi Kristina did suffer some seizures. And, the decision was made to keep her in this medically-induced coma. But,
again, the family is very hopeful. They are saying that this is a waiting game. They have not given up hope. They are praying. And, they certainly
are all at the hospital supporting Bobbi Kristina.
PINSKY: OK.
HOSTIN: I have been told that to Bobby Brown is very much in charge now at the hospital. He is very much involved in making medical decisions for
her. And, he is being there as her father.
PINSKY: And, I got to say, if somebody is in a medically-induced coma and then comes out and has seizure, that is a sign of possibly diffuse brain
damage. And, that is very, very serious matter. And, then the fact is when they take her back down into that coma, you cannot assess brain
function then.
Then everything is suppressed by the drugs. So, you cannot really tell what is drug, what is injury, what is what? So, I cannot imagine we are
going to get any meaningful information if she is in a drug -- a medication-induced coma.
Finally, Sunny, one last thing. I know you are very close to the action there. People keep talking about Bobbi Kristina`s possible drug use or
maybe there may have been substances involved in this. Can you clarify any of that for us?
HOSTIN: You know, the family has been concerned, Dr. Drew, for quite some time about her drug use. That has sort been out there. That has been
known. She has struggled very much since the death of her mother.
And, while Pat, her aunt, family friends, her father have been there to try to support her through this, unfortunately, drugs -- they have played a
part in Bobbi Kristina`s life.
PINSKY: Yes, again, as somebody -- you know, I treat addicts in my professional life. When somebody has a misadventure, medical or a near-
death event, somehow if somebody has a drug and alcohol history, they will figure into it somehow.
And, what I was watching on her "Lifetime" channel -- "Lifetime" series, the reality show, I see pharmaceuticals. I just see -- that is what my eye
tells me. Radar Online claims Whitney Houston`s side of the family reportedly barred Nick Gordon from the beds bedside.
Radar cite a police report from March of last year in which Bobbi Kristina`s aunt claimed Nick threatened her unless he and Bobbi Kristina
got more of Whitney`s estate. That aunt was concerned that Nick had alienated Bobbi Kristina from the family.
He was afraid of this guy because he is supposedly was sending Twitter post about guns and this was a year ago. He got a restraining order. It is
quite an interesting part of the story. Nicci, are people afraid of that guy, Nick? Was he actually -- is any of this founded? Was he alienating
poor Bobbi Kristina from the family?
NICCI GILBERT-DANIELS, R&B ARTIST/PRODUCER: You know, once again, it takes me back to the Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston scenario. And, it is just
like, you know, all over again. I have no idea. I cannot answer that question for you. It did appear as though they loved each other very much.
And, we know in young love, a lot of times the families do not necessarily agree with the relationship. But, at the end of the day, instead of
pointing the finger at Nick, I think we should wait around and kind of see what actually comes out based on the investigation.
PINSKY: And, then the other -- another character there the day this -- this tragedy happened, Max Lomas. One of the people in the house when
Bobbi was discovered -- Bobbi Kristina. He has been accused dealing drugs, drugging. I think even kidnapping his girlfriend, that was the allegation.
He had pled not guilty. His attorney, Philip Holloway, has vigorously stated that charges in that case are unrelated anything with Bobbi
Kristina. But, Holloway did tell Nancy Grace about what role the client -- this Lomas guy did have. Take a look, and then Anahita, you got to
comment.
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PHILIP A. HOLLOWAY, MAX LOMAS` ATTORNEY: Max went into the bedroom looking in on her, checking on her welfare because she was not answering when they
were sounding for her.
So, not seeing her in the bedroom, he walked further into the bathroom, and that is where he found her. After that, he pulled her from the water,
pulled her out of the tub. Immediately called 911 to begin the process of getting the medical attention that she so desperately needed.
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PINSKY: And, then, Anahita, there is weird reports about even a third guy. Do you feel that foul play is being properly assessed here.
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I have not heard many people talking about foul play. But, I definitely think the police are looking
into every possible option here, Dr. Drew. But, to touch on a point that your other guests made, there has been a lot of speculation about the
boyfriend, Nick Gordon.
We know that Bobbi Kristina claimed that she was married to him, right? She put it all over social media. She claimed that he was the husband.
But, it is interesting because Bobby Brown made a public statement, and he definitively said, "No way, my daughter was not married legally to Nick
Gordon." And, again, we do not know why he made that statement.
PINSKY: Anahita, what do you suspect? Is that because of the financial stuff?
SEDAGHATFAR: Exactly.
PINSKY: Or is it that or the alienation that the aunt was reporting?
SEDAGHATFAR: It could be that. But, for him to go on the record and say that definitively to mention the fact that it was not a legal marriage,
indicates to me that it may have something to do, God forbid, if she dies with the inheritance. Because if she does not have a will --
PINSKY: And, by the way -- Wait, Anahita.
SEDAGHATFAR: -- if she was not married to Nick Gordon --
PINSKY: But, if he was the husband, would not he be calling all the shots and not Bobby Brown?
SEDAGHATFAR: That is another indication. Exactly. The law in George indicates that if there is no advance directive naming somebody, then by
default it would be the spouse that would make the medical decision --
PINSKY: OK. Sunny --
SEDAGHATFAR: Here it is Bobby Brown.
PINSKY: Hold on. Sunny.
HOSTIN: Yes, and I can speak to this because I have been in contact with people very close to the family. And, I have been told with no doubt that
they are not legally married.
In fact, although Bobbi Kristina did send out this picture of wedding rings and hash tags, #happilymarried, I was told by the family at least a week
ago that they were not legally married, that the family was not supportive of her relationship with Nick Gordon.
In fact, CNN did an exhaustive search of, you know, every single state for marriage licenses. And, there does not appeared to be anything on record -
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PINSKY: Well, I mean, Sunny -- Sunny --
HOSTIN: -- So, I am inclined to believe they are not married.
PINSKY: I will tell you the evidence is the husband is not there calling the shots. He would be calling the shots -- He would be the power of
attorney over healthcare as a fact. So, the fact that he is not doing that suggests that he is not married to her.
And, I want to know -- we are going to talk about this later. What this guys is doing in that household at all? Why did Whitney -- who was the mom
to Whitney? And, why did she end up sort of adopting, kind of, an 11-year- old? And, now this guy is still in their life. Who is this kid?
Next, a family insider is also here. She will tell us what she knows about Bobbi Kristina`s condition.
And, later, the great "American Sniper" debate. We will hear from a former Navy S.E.A.L., Jesse Ventura. You will hear from Jesse, herself, after
this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Stand up and just sing -- sing just anything.
BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN, WHITNEY-BROWNONLY DAUGHTER WHO IS IN MEDICALLY- INDUCED COMA: OK. I will sing -- From the moment I saw you, I went out of my mind. I never believed in love at first sight. But you got that magic,
boy that is making me fly. And, you gotta, you gotta, you got that thing that you are making me feel --
UNIDENTIFIED MLE SPEAKER: Yes, it is good.
BROWN: -- I can do anything for you baby.
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PINSKY: Back with Nicci and Anahita. Joining the panel, Danine Manette, Criminal Investigator, author of "Ultimate Betrayal." That, of course, was
Bobbi Kristina appearing in Lifetime`s Reality Series, "The Houstons."
Nicci, here is something I want to show you that you tweeted earlier today. Quote, "The children of celebs do not choose this life and it is impossible
for us, let alone them. I cannot imagine how Bobby feels. My heartaches for him." But, what are you thinking up then?
GILBERT-DANIELS: Just thinking of all of the rumors and speculation and the evil comments in social media. And, it is tough enough as an artist,
as a performer in this industry. Nobody equips you with the ability to deal with, you know, social media. And, her being a younger person, she is
exposed to it every single day. All of our children are exposed to it on a daily basis.
And, I do not think people take into consideration. It is very, very difficult to aspire to live in your mother`s shoes and then you go to
social media and you share your dreams and you share your goals and everyone assumes that you are going to meet the same demise as your mother.
And, I think that people are just assuming and speculating.
I know what the signs are pointing to, Dr. Drew. I know you are going to eat me up for this one. But, at the end of the day, Bobby Brown was an
addict as well. And, he was able to get over it.
She had a strong and has a very strong father in her life. So, I just want people to consider that these are children, and children of celebrities get
it worse than we do, because we did not have social media as much as we do today.
PINSKY: Yes. It is crushing -- It was probably crushing for her to even just turn on her Twitter every day. It must have been awful. I know what
all of it. Anahita, I see what they say to you.
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SEDAGHATFAR: Right. I can relate to that.
PINSKY: And, by the way, Twitter is on the record saying, "Now, they want to take care of the trolls. So, go send them in and see if they actually
take care of this. I will be shocked if they do anything."
But, Bobbi Kristina`s life was -- you know, forget the celebrity. Just both parents with substance. Sunny just told us, she had a substance
issue. Family breaks apart. We watched a lot of chaos between the two of them. And, I do not think that was just for the cameras. What do you say?
SEDAGHATFAR: I mean you just have to wonder, Dr. Drew. Did she have the love and the support that she clearly needed? She did grow up in a
dysfunctional home. Her parents both used --
Whitney Houston said in an interview that her daughter used to see the domestic violence between her mother and her father. And, like you just
mentioned, she herself had some substance abuse issues. And, her mother dies when she is just a teenager.
PINSKY: Grief. Right.
SEDAGHATFAR: She is in the media spotlight. She is under a microscope. I mean that would be a lot for anybody to handle, much less a little girl
like that.
PINSKY: Well, and I would suggest, Danine. I do not know if you agree with me or not, that I cannot the celebrity out of the story. And just,
again the grief, the chaos, the substance, all these -- the broken family, all these that she has had to deal with and then you throw in the crushing
sort of nonsense on social media. It does not add up well.
DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: It is just so sad, Dr. Drew. And, quite honestly, I do not think that what is happening with Bobbi Kristina
has anything to do with her substance abuse. I honestly think that this is deep depression and unresolved grief that was never dealt with --
PINSKY: True.
MANETTE: And, that this was more of a decision on her part.
PINSKY: Oh, so, you are thinking -- well, that is a possibility, right?
MANETTE: Yes.
PINSKY: I mean it would be -- it would have been a very dramatic statement.
MANETTE: She has never had a chance to deal with her grief. I do not think that it was an accident that she was in the bathtub just like her
mother.
PINSKY: I think --
MANETTE: I just think she was feeling overwhelmed at the end of her rope. And, from what I understand, there were issues between her and Nick and
that maybe their relationship was on the rocks.
PINSKY: Yes.
MANETTE : And, I just feel like this was deep depression. She had to grieve for her mother in front of the cameras and front of the public.
PINSKY: Yes.
MANETTE: And, I think that this was the decision.
PINSKY: Listen, from the very beginning I was -- Nicci is saying no. But, I have another family member on the phone, a close friend of the family --
Brown Family, Debra Antney. She is on the phone.
And, from the beginning, I have been saying, you know. if substances were involved, but this kid, we do not know. These are all -- We are
speculating. But, inadvertent, like an accident, or intentional is certainly a possibility, if substances are involved. Now, Debra, you have
spoken to Bobbi Kristina`s family. What can you tell us about her condition, tonight?
DEBRA ANTNEY, BROWN FAMILY FRIEND (via phone): She is still the same, like she is still here. She is still fighting.
PINSKY: And, she is in a medically-induced coma, Sunny Hostin told us. So, they really cannot assess a brain function when somebody is on all that
medication. Now, Debra, I want to play something for you that had you said on Extra and then let you respond to that. Have a look.
ANTNEY: OK.
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ANTNEY: That baby has not stood a chance since she was deceived just about. She was talked about ridiculed. And, all the people that had all
the things to say about her, that is a baby, that is a 21-year-old baby.
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PINSKY: And, Debra, I think those feelings, very, very -- not eloquently expressed there, really are very much what we were just expressing
ourselves. So, my question to you is, based on what Danine was just saying, do you think she might have done this intentionally?
ANTNEY: I do not want to speculate. That is the thing. I do not want to speculate, because no one knows what happened. No one knows. So, it is
not for me to say. It is not for anybody else to say. And, I do not want anything to get misconstrued by what I am saying, because I do not know.
No one really knows what really happened. No one. And , I would like to respond to the comment that I made. The comment that I made had nothing to
do with drug abuse. But, it had a lot to do with the abuse of our mouths. OK?
That is what -- that is the abuse that I was talking about. The things that people said about that baby, that baby did not stand a chance from the
time, like I said, she was deceived. People talked about her so much.
And, when you say celebrity, I would not take celebrity out of it, because an ordinary everyday person, we would not talk about. Because what is it
to talk about that person? No one knows who that person is.
And, I think that there should be something done about that for celebrities and let people know we are not inhuman but we are human beings and we feel
like everyone else feels. Our babies feel.
And, I think it is a shame if everybody says that Whitney gave us such great music and she did all these great things, but yet her daughter will
open up her eyes again and hear nothing but negativity.
It hurts me to hear that the rumors that people send out here. I wish people checked those phone calls and call and let God know we need him down
here. That is the phone calls that people should be making.
PINSKY: You, certainly, got a cheerleader in Nicci. Please, carry on, Nicci.
GILBERT-DANIELS: Oh, my God! You know, Deb, I love you.
ANTNEY: I love you too, Nicci.
GILBERT-DANIELS: I love how you keep it so 100. And, it is just so difficult. You cannot imagine even people in my social media. Well, you
know it happens to children every day. Absolutely. But how many children of Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown has it happened to?
How many children -- you know, Marie Osmond dealt with it. It is just very, very difficult. On top of the fact that these children have to deal
with the expectation of being as great as their parents.
They now go into social media and say, "Hey, look! I am me. I am Bobbi Kristina. I want to sing. I want to perform. I want people to continue
my mother`s legacy." And all people do is shoot her down.
And, I think that everyone who sent a negative comments to Bobbi Kristina and Twitter, should really rethink that and go in and consider deleting it.
Because, at the end of the day, whether it is suicide, accidental drug overdose, whatever the situation is, she should not be there.
And, she was pushed further into that dark place based on what people in social media are saying every day. And, it is not just making comments.
It is literally putting someone on their death bed.
PINSKY: Right.
ANTNEY: Can I just talk about social media? Let us talk about television, also. Let us talk about that movie. Let us talk about that. Let us talk
about every time the television and anything is said about her mom, it is nothing good. Who wants to deal with that?
I am an adult and my son -- I lost my son to suicide and the comments that people made that we sacrifice and we sacrifice to become wealthy and all
these things that people have to say. Who wants to deal with that? I am an adult and it is painful and it hurts. Imagine that 21-year-old baby for
21 years all she has been hearing is negativity.
PINSKY: And, I would say, Debra. Negativity is not strong enough word. And, Nicci, maybe you will resonate with this too. It is brutality.
GILBERT-DANIELS: Yes, it is.
PINSKY: Let us call it what it is. It is brutality. It is brutal to look at Twitter. It is brutal to look at Facebook. And, as a 21-year-old, I am
not sure I could have taken it.
Next up, I want to get into Nick Gordon a little bit. Who is that guy and what is he doing there? And, what is his role in Bobbi Kristina`s life?
And, he is not married to her. I know he is not because he is not calling the shots. The husband would be at the hospital.
And, later, a country divided over "American Sniper." We will debate it after this.
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PINSKY: Take a look at this video from TMZ. It is creating quite a stir. The female there is Whitney Houston`s 19-year-old daughter, Bobbi Kristina.
The male is 22-year-old Nick Gordon. Nick was reportedly raised by Whitney since the age of 12 and considered a brother figure to Bobbi Kristina.
Some media reports claim the two are dating.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Make no mistake, those two are engaged.
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PINSKY: Nick Gordon recently denied he is dating Whitney`s daughter, telling ABC News, we are just close, just going through her mom`s passing
and grieving together.
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PINSKY: Back with Nicci, Anahita, Danine. That was from March 2012, one month after Whitney Houston had died. Bobbi Kristina`s father has denied
that she and Nick Gordon are married. We do know that Gordon was at the home when Bobbi Kristina was found face down in the bathtub.
We also know that he is not calling the shots at the hospital, suggesting he is not the husband. Debra Antney is still on the phone with me. She is
a very close Brown Family friend. And, Debra, who is Nick Gordon to the family? Can you tell me? Can you clarify this relationship for me?
ANTNEY: Say that one more time. I am sorry.
PINSKY: Well, I am not sure where Nick Gordon came from. He seemed like he was adopted at age 11 and all of a sudden he is an important person to
Kristina, romantically. How did he end up in their life?
ANTNEY: Well, I do not know how he ends up in her life. So, I cannot speak on that. But, why not think that she is trying to become close to
her mom, that she had to be with something. That this is someone that her mother loved. Then she would validate that. Like in her heart, she
probably felt her mom would validate that relationship.
PINSKY: So, he is sort of a vestige of mom, like he knew mom and mom knew him and that connected her to mom. Oh, boy. That is sort of tough stuff.
Debra, is it also true that Bobbi Kristina`s grandmother, Whitney`s mother, Cissy Houston, is going to Atlanta this weekend to see her?
ANTNEY: I do not know. I am not going to speak on anything that I do not know.
PINSKY: Sure. I know.
ANTNEY: Even if I heard it, I do not know, until she gets here.
PINSKY: I do not want you to.
ANTNEY: Until she gets here.
PINSKY: OK. Anahita, I am going to ask you this. First, of all, I will ask Nicci. Could you answer either of those questions for me? Do you know
anything more than what Debra knows?
GILBERT-DANIELS: I cannot answer whether or not she is actually headed there now. But, I am assuming as her grandmother that she would definitely
want to be at her daughter`s side.
PINSKY: Right.
GILBER-DANIELS: So, I would assume -- if it were my grandmother, she would be there.
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ANTNEY: But, let us check at account that she is not a young woman and she is not well.
PINSKY: Right. Right.
GILBER-DANIELS: Yes. That is true.
MANETTE: That is true.
ANTLEY: OK? So, let us also think about that, too. It is not that she do not want to be there, maybe she cannot be there.
PINSKY: Right.
ANTLEY: You know? Or she has not been there because she cannot be there. And, let us not speculate the negative as which everybody else had so much
stuff to say, you know?
PINSKY: No. Debra, that makes perfect, perfect sense. And, Anahita, if Nick -- If Nick was never officially adopted by Whitney, which we do not
know, does he have legal rights here? If Bobbi Kristina, God forbidden, dies, is there -- I do not understand what his role would be legally --
ANTNEY: Let me tell you something that is really funny. OK?
PINSKY: Yes.
ANTNEY: That with no disrespect, Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles do not have to put their eyes together to see this one. OK? If that was her husband,
would not you think he maybe would have more of a say so? There is nobody else that can have say so about anything. He would be there as her
husband.
PINSKY: I totally agree with you.
ANTNEY: OK.
SEDAGHATFAR: But, Dr. Drew --
ANTNEY: So, that is why I do not understand why people are going through that, because that would tell people the rights that he has. He has those
rights.
PINSKY: But, I wonder if he has rights as Whitney Houston`s adopted son, if he was adopted, Anahita. But, we do not know.
SEDAGHATFAR: Unlike -- yes, you cannot change the fact --
ATNEY: No. If she is not married -- if she is not married, then her dad - - or if Whitney was here, will be the two people that can do something.
GILBERT-DANIELS: Yes.
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. Apparently, Whitney Houston did not leave anything to him. Her entire estate went to Bobbi Kristina, Dr. Drew. And, that is not
going to change, because she has already passed away.
PINSKY: Right.
SEDAGHATFAR: And, you know, there might be something called an advanced medical directive.
PINSKY: Yes.
SSEDAGHATFAR: And, although, she is only 21 years old, she did inherit a massive estate. So, it may be that she named her father as the individual
responsible to make medical decisions for her and she is still possibly could be married to him. So, just because he is not there making the
medical decisions at this point, does not necessarily mean that they are not legally married.
PINSKY: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I do not understand what you are saying -- No. Listen, Anahita. When there is a
medical directive, part of the directive is who has durable power of healthcare.
SEDAGHATFAR: Right. She might have named Bobby Brown. She might have named her father as the individual to make those decisions in case she is
incapacitated.
PINSKY: That I cannot -- Well, Danine is saying yes. Danine, what are your thoughts on this guy?
MANETTE: Right. Yes. I mean that definitely could be the case. But, as far as Nick and his relationship in this whole situation, the three of them
were a family. And, he is the closest thing to her mother that is left in her life.
PINSKY: Right.
MANETTE: So, of course she is going to put everything into him. I looked through all of her Instagram. I looked through all of her online profiles.
And, all I see are photographs of her and him. I do not see her with any girlfriends, hanging out, taking selfies, doing anything.
Hundreds and hundreds of pictures are her and him. She has put everything into him. He is all she had. So, therefore, if something was going on in
that relationship, coupled with the fact that it is the anniversary of her mother`s death, the grief of not being able to live up to her mother`s
image, loving and missing her mother so horribly as we all do, I think it was the breaking point for her. And, I feel so horrible about that.
PINSKY: I think you are on to something. And, Nicci, you were shaking your head in agreement.
GILBERT-DANIELS: I agree 100 percent. And, I think that what is really important for everyone to consider in this situation, because I have heard
Nick Gordon`s name come up a million times as if he is the bad guy. We do not know that, yet.
MANETTE: Right.
GILBERT-DANIELS: This kid is probably grieving. He probably feels terrible about this.
MANETTE: Yes. They were a family.
GILBERT-DANIELS: And, she is probably -- who knows. Maybe having -- And I know, Dr. Drew, once again, I am drifting into territory I do not know a
lot about, but maybe it could be somewhat helpful to have that energy.
So, I think that people should stop speculating and assume that she loved him very much based opened her social media, which is typically coming from
her mouth and her heart. And, I think people should cut him a break. Until they know something different.
PINSKY: Well, I will tell you, what you do not see. You do not see him with other women. You do not see him a lot of coming and going in her
life. He has just been there. There is some -- if he really were a bad guy, you would think there would be some evidence. Danine, I know you are
a good investigator. You would have found something today.
MANETTE: I think he would have hurried up and married her if he had some type of, you know, unsavory motives or something like that. I think that
they were like I said, the three of them were three peas in a pod. They were a family. They all loved each other, and they are the only two left.
Those two are the only two each other has right now in this situation. So, I think people should cut him a break.
PINSKY: And, that is a tattoo of Whitney Houston --
MANETTE: That is on his arm.
PINSKY: -- his arm.
GILBERT-DANIELS: That is on his arms. So, that means he loves her very, very much.
MANETTE: Yes.
PINSKY: But, I mean -- Whoa!
GILBERT-DANIELS: And, maybe she did not -- I am sorry, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: No, you can finish that thought, Nicci.
GILBER-DANIELS: I was just going to say, maybe -- you know, there is this whole -- you know, three years ago, "Oh, she is marrying her brother."
And, they were running with that narrative.
PINSKY: Yes.
GILBERT-DANIELS: First of all, we know that is not her biological brother.
MANETTE: Yes.
GILBERT-DANIELS: And, maybe this was a little guy that she liked and she was dating and Whitney liked him and thought he was a good guy and wanted
to make sure she was aware of who Whitney Houston`s daughter was dating. And maybe it was a situation where they were, you know, been together for a
while either way.
PINSKY: All right.
MANETTE: He did not have a family or something.
PINSKY: I would love to know a little more about that piece because that is a little peculiar, but here is what we have kind of -- sort of slogged
through today. We do not -- he does not seem to be a bad guy. I agree that she -- he may be the last vestige of Whitney for him.
I agree with Danine that if indeed he was leaving at the anniversary of mom`s demise -- mom`s death, this could have been an overwhelming
experience. It could have been intentional. The medical thing we discussed tonight was that she is back in a medically-induced coma.
So, we really cannot speculate about brain activity. But, when they did lighten up the coma, she had generalized seizure. That is not a good sign.
So, this going to be an ongoing process, probably for a bit for a few more days before anything really can be decided.
It is not looking good, though, in terms of meaningful recovery. And, that just -- it makes this just that much more of a tragedy. You can imagine
the excruciating experience for the family of waiting through this experience. How is this going to go? Is it going to be OK? And, not
really seeing any real progress.
Next up, we started an important debate yesterday over "American Sniper." We will pick up where we left off.
And, later, one of Chris Kyle`s biggest critics, Jesse Ventura. You will hear from him. Back after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JESSIE JANE DUFF, GUNNERY SERGEANT U.S. MARINE CORPS (RET.) (voice-over): This movie shows the hardships we endure, what our families go through.
BRADLEY COOPER, AS CHRIS KYLE IN THE FILM "AMERICAN SNIPER": Do not pick it up.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SIENNA MILLER, AS TAYA KYLE IN THE FILM "AMERICAN SNIPER": Your children have no father.
COOPER, AS CHRIS KYLE: I love to serve my country.
MILLER, AS TAYA KYLE: You do not know when to quit. You did your part. We sacrificed enough. You let somebody else go.
COOPER, AS TAYA KYLE: Let somebody else go?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DUFF: The sacrifices we make every single day.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER, AS CHRIS KYLE: I am willing to meet my creator and answer for every shot I took. The thing that haunts me are all the guys I could not
save.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Back with Samantha Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu!; Karamo Brown, social worker and Jessie Jane Duff, Gunnery Sergeant U.S. Marine Corps
(Ret.). Does the movie "American Sniper" glorify war or is it just the opposite? Director Clint Eastwood says, he made this film like a western.
Perhaps, that is why some people feel it glorifies life on the battlefield. Jessie, what do you think?
JESSIE JANE DUFF, GUNNERY SERGEANT U.S. MARINE CORPS (RET.): Well, Clint Eastwood also goes on to explain that the westerns he was in displayed the
brutality of the west back then. So, there was nothing glorious about some of the ideals that went on in that era.
And, this movie definitely demonstrates to the American people that going to war is a very, very serious and difficult decision to make because you
are going to sacrifice many lives of those who are on the foreign soil and our own American lives. So, it does not glorify it on anyway. And,
anybody who has not seen the movie cannot say that, otherwise. Because if they see it, they will probably leave there in tears.
PINSKY: Sam, I see you are nodding your head.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HUU!: I was in tears. And, I am still haunted by it, Dr. Drew. I thought that this film showcased what
it is like and the sacrifices that our very brave military have to endure for our freedom.
I think of my father, who is a Vietnam veteran. He served two tours. I think of my grandfathers who are veterans in the World War II. And, it
breaks my heart that they had to make those hard choices while we are all here back home and some of us criticizing it.
PINSKY: Well, that is the privilege that they protected us to be able to do. You know, the freedom to be able to be critical. But, it seems like
people are voting with their pocketbook. I mean this thing has been a huge hit. But, you cannot deny it seems to have reignited at least in some
circles the conversation about whether or not American forces should have been in Iraq. Karamo, what say you?
KARAMO BROWN, SOCIAL WORKER: Definitely not. We went under false pretenses. We all know that. What the Bush administration did is they
told us that we were going in there because Iraqis had mass weapons of destruction, which we later found out was not true.
So, these snipers that were there, these individuals that were there did not have to be there to kill these individuals. And, when we talk about
this movie, I watched the movie. And, I did not leave sad or in tears crying. I left disgusted the fact that I was watching a several hours of
someone killing people over and over again. Not what I want to watch.
PINSKY: Gunnery Sergeant.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: Oh, my Gosh.
DUFF: I just have to laugh at that, because the reality is that he finds that we went under false pretenses. Meanwhile, we had five intelligence
agencies throughout the world that verified that there was evidence of chemical weapons. Saddam Hussein --
BROWN: No. We do not. We do not.
DUFF: Let me finish, Mr. Brown.
BROWN: Oh!
DUFF: And, they also had the opportunity that -- he was given the opportunity to leave in 48 hours. He resisted. He refused. He murdered
millions of people throughout the world. He had killed Kurds. He had killed Iranians with chemical weapons. So, the argument that you giving us
is a false argument. It has no relevance --
BROWN: It is not. What you need to do is start drinking a cool-aid, because I understand that --
DUFF: OK. You love to interrupt, Mr. Brown. You love to interrupt.
BROWN: No. I do not love to interrupt. What I am going do is I am going to defend my point.
DUFF: Yes, you do.
BROWN: It is the same way that you like to cut me off.
DUFF: You would be a great social worker.
BROWN: Please, do not talk about my career.
DUFF: It was my turn to talk.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: All right, gentlemen, I will adjudicate here. Gunnery Sergeant, finish your point and then Karamo. Go ahead.
DUFF: Oh, no, I am done. Go ahead, Mr. Brown. Go ahead. It is your turn.
PINSKY: OK. Karamo, go ahead.
BROWN: What I would like to say is that at the end of the day, the snipers that were in this movie should not -- or the people that were there in war
did not have to kill all of these helpless civilians that were there --
SCHACHER: Oh, my Gosh.
BROWN: Like I expressed yesterday, there was over 100,000 innocent civilians that died. That is an amount of people that should not have died
from somewhere we should not have been in the first place.
PINSKY: Sam, last thoughts?
SCHACHER: OK. Last though. Listen, I agree -- OK, you can be a pacifist. I do not like war either, but in the interim, let us not make our soldiers
feel even more guilty. You do not think they come home with enough demons. So, let us support them and give them the respect that they deserve.
PINSKY: Next up, Chris Kyle critics do sound off about him. He is considered America`s most lethal sniper. Jesse Ventura is one of them.
You will hear that after this.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam Schacher, Karamo Brown and Jessie Jane Duff. We are talking about Navy SEAL, Chris Kyle and the movie, "American Sniper." I
want you to hear what former Navy SEAL, Jesse Ventura said about Chris Kyle`s hero status on Fox News radio. Have a listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
JESSE VENTURA, FMR. NAVY SEAL: It is a propaganda film that is as authentic as dirty harry. A hero should have honor. A hero is not how
many people you killed. You know, he was obviously a great sniper. He is obviously a great shot. He obviously did his job correctly. Let me fire
this one at you. Do you think the Nazis have heroes?
(END AUDIO CLIP)
PINSKY: Jessie, do you?
(LAUGHING)
DUFF: I just have to laugh because Jesse Ventura is a joke to us in the military community. I want to put that out there. People who never served
may respect what he says. Those of us who served do not acknowledge that his lips are even moving. That is the first thing.
The second thing is we are not making a hero out of him about how many people he killed. Let us get one thing straight. This is one thing Chris
Kyle drove home. He admired -- he was saving the Americans from getting shot by or destroyed by bombs. It is the lives he saved.
For every one person he had to shoot, it was because they were going to take out one of his men. I know marines that he defended. I know marines
personally that were in these battles that if it were not for him, looking over the horizon and taking out the guy who is going to take out the entire
unit, they all would have been killed. That is what makes him a hero for who he saved, not who he killed. Let us get that straight.
PINSKY: And, Karamo, you know, I get what you are saying. War is not a good thing and that is your basic position. Therefore, particularly this
one was not just in your mind. But, when our freedoms are infringed upon, do not you think they are worth fighting for?
BROWN: I do think they are worth fighting for. What I have said this entire time, which is just that we went to war for a reason that we did not
have to go to war. And, unfortunately, we were there and people die that should not have to die.
So, when this movie came out what bothered me was that I was watching something that did not have to take place. And, that is what hurt my heart
here. The Bush administration brought us to war because they wanted to go war with Iraq from way before.
This was propaganda. There is so many things here that is wrong. So, when I am watching this movie, I do not want to talk about servicemen and
servicewomen who are doing an amazing job. I am saying that what this movie represents is wrong.
PINSKY: I wish Hitler had not invaded Poland.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: I wish 9/11 had not happened. Sam -- and Jesse Venture has a little bit of a bone to pick with a Chris Kyle, right? Chris Kyle punched
him out or something?
SCHACHER: Yes. That is right, Dr. Drew. And, I think that is why he is so personally involved in this movie. I think that he has this unwarranted
bias towards it. I also think perhaps that this is a publicity stunt for him, because he has not seen the same movie that I have.
Because I look at someone who definitely 100 percent took those hard choices, that none of us would want to make, so he could save the other --
his fellow American men and women in the military. How does Jesse Ventura not see that?
PINSKY: Next up, the trial of a man -- the man accused of killing Chris Kyle. Who is he? What is up with this whole -- why was Chris Kyle with
that guy at a shooting range? Back after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LUKE GRIMES, AS MARC LEE IN THE FILM "AMERICAN SNIPER": They know your name. They feel invincible with you up there.
COOPER, AS CHRIS KYLE: They are not.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: One of the two men who died was Chris Kyle, a former Navy SEAL Sniper.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LAURA BLEVINS, FAMILY OF EDDIE RAY ROUTH: I am terrified for my life. He said that he had killed two guys they went out to a shooting range. Like
he is all crazy. My husband is going to talk to you because I am so nervous.
GAINES BLEVINS, FAMILY OF EDDIE RAY ROUTH: he was recently diagnosed with PTSD, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 DISPATCHER: OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Back with Sam, Karamo and Jessie. And, what you just heard was a 911 call from the family of Eddie Ray Routh. He is accused of killing
Chris Kyle and another friend two years ago at a shooting range.
That man`s trial begins next week. HLN will be following it closely. Routh is a former marine. And, Chris Kyle, apparently, took him to a
shooting range in an attempt to help him cope with PTSD.
SCHACHER: Drew -- Drew, question.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: Why would an outing like that help someone with PTSD? Is it dangerous to give somebody that has PTSD a gun?
PINSKY: Right. What people -- when they have PTSD, sometimes they feel they are worst when they are quiet. And, they feel better when they are in
a arousing situation, particularly with their peers. That is why they go back for multiple tours of duty. Jessie Jane, you must have seen some of
this.
DUFF: Yes. That is a misstatement to say that people with PTSD should not have a gun..
SCHACHER: I never said that. I was just curious. I never said that.
DUFF: I know you did not say that. I want to make sure that it is understood that people who have PTSD are not prone to go out and shoot
people.
PINSKY: Absolutely.
DUFF: PTSD is a reaction to traumatic anything.
PINSKY: Yes.
DUFF: I know people who has had rape, who have had to deal with PTSD.
PINSKY: Right.
DUFF: So, it is based on an individual situation.
PINSKY: Well, this clearly was something more than PTSD. Very clearly.
DUFF: Absolutely. You do not murder somebody.
PINSKY: There are tens of thousands of people in this country, maybe millions now of various kinds of PTSD and they are not murderers as a
feature of that illness at all.
Now, "American Sniper" shows negative realities of living with PTSD. And, some people say the movie did not go far enough with that. Jessie, do you
think they showed enough to help get people to understand, get their head around how serious this is in.
DUFF: You know, the movie was not supposed to be about mental situations that veterans have. But, it did expose a part of the community that is
obviously needing assistance with this. We do have stories of 22 veterans killing themselves a day for various reasons.
PINSKY: Right.
DUFF: We have a VA backlog where people are waiting on hold to get mental health treatment. Sometimes, waiting over three weeks to get into see
treatment. Often, people cannot get medications renewed on time. There are stories after stories where the veterans administration has failed in
the healthcare for our veterans. And, that in itself is a very important issue.
SCHACHER: Yes.
DUFF: Mental health in this country regardless of whether you are a veteran or a civilian is a very serious situation.
PINSKY: Absolutely.
DUFF: We see it in all situations of crime.
PINSKY: And, listen, and in this case, these men are dying at their own hands because of their mental health issues. Now, Karamo, do you think
this guy, Ray Routh can get a fair trial on "America Sniper" is still in theaters and so popular?
BROWN: Well, first, let me say this, Dr. Drew. I believe what Jessie just said would actually make a better movie than what we watched. If we would
see trauma that people are going through, now that would have helped and it will really helped a lot of people to learn it and understand what the
soldiers go through. And, I do not believe that he is going to get a fair trial at all. I actually believe that he should not get a fair trial. The
fact that he killed someone, it is done.
PINSKY: People were asking what the controversies are around this film. You see here there are many. And, yet people continue to vote with their
feet and their wallets. They are following this film. They are watching it. It is a very, very important film for all of us. "Forensic Files" is
up next.
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