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Record Snowfall Piles up in New England; Obama Delays Decision on Arming Ukraine; Will Diplomacy Succeed in Ukraine?; Charges to Be Announced in Murder of Hannah Graham; Same-Sex Marriages Start in Alabama; Interview with Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal

Aired February 10, 2015 - 07:00   ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Let's begin our team coverage with Rosa Flores. She's live in Boston for us.

Big city there. You know, certainly by Massachusetts standards, and everything is just frozen. What's the latest?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, I want to show you the magnitude of this prolonged snow event. You can see there's a lot of snow around me. The snow banks very, very high.

I want to measure one for you, really quickly just to give you an idea, this one, measures at about 45 inches here. And you're probably thinking, oh, Rosa, that's a snow bank, no big deal. Hear this -- the National Weather Service saying Boston, is going to receive more than six feet of snow. I stand probably an inch shy of that.

And guess what? The snow doesn't only pack on roads, take a look up here. It packs on roofs. Making the situation very dangerous.

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FLORES (voice-over): This morning, history is blanketing Boston. Millions wake up to over six feet of snow falling in the city since mid-January, making the past 30 days the snowiest month in history.

MAYOR MARTY WALSH (D), BOSTON: No city administration has ever dealt with this much snow in a very short period of time.

FLORES: The region bearing the brunt of the third snowstorm in just three weeks, sending them into a statewide emergency and closing schools again.

GOV. CHARLIE BAKER (R), MASSACHUSETTS: If I've learned one thing over the course of the past two weeks, it's: Mother Nature makes the rules.

FLORES: So much snow, in fact, the Massachusetts governor says you could fill up the Patriots' home stadium 90 times over with the snow they've already removed.

On the road, vehicles buried, as near-whiteout conditions leaves transportation at a standstill. This commuter train struck after snow piles onto the tracks, forcing the more than 50 passengers to wait for a bus.

JACK CADEGAN, QUINCY, MASSACHUSETTS, DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF: They were sending a rescue train in to try to push it back into the Quincy station, and then that got stuck, also.

FLORES: The massive snowfall weighing down roofs, with collapses inevitable.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The guy I was working with just started yelling, get out, get out, get out.

FLORES: Just south of Boston, construction workers say they had mere seconds to get out before this flattened building caved in behind them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The weight of the snow on the buildings right now is getting critical.

FLORES: The city working around the clock, plows desperately trying to transfer snow to what's called snow farms, vacant parking lots that house massive melting machines.

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FLORES: Now you can see that streets are very, very narrow, making it very treacherous for emergency responders. Take a look at this. You never know what's behind one of these snow banks. I'm going to dig back in here quickly to show you -- that any one of these mounds, it could actually be a car. Take a look, Alisyn. It's a silver car. Right in here.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Oh, my gosh.

FLORES: So again, you just never, you never know what you're going to find, making it very dangerous, especially for emergency responders who are perhaps trying to wiggle through some of these narrow streets.

CUOMO: Can you tell Rosa to dig the car out? She's got the shovel.

CAMEROTA: Chris thinks you should dig the car out while you're there. But we didn't really know what you were going to find under there. There was some suspense. I mean, that's -- are you in Beacon Hill?

FLORES: Yes.

CAMEROTA: Right, I mean the streets there...

FLORES: And you can see that a lot of these streets...

CAMEROTA: Yes, go ahead, Rosa.

FLORES: I was going to say they're so narrow and cobblestone. Typically, they're hard to drive down. But what are you they like today behind you?

FLORES: I mean, take a look. It's very, very narrow. You can see a car coming through. Visibility is very low. Some of these cars sit low, Alisyn, and so imagine trying to look around you. You really can't or trying to make a corner. It's very, very dangerous. People have to drive very, very carefully because visibility is low.

CAMEROTA: OK. Be careful there, Rosa. All right. Thanks so much for showing us all of that. Stay warm. We'll be back with you shortly. No rest for the winter weary. Believe it or not, there is more snow on the way for the northeast.

Let's turn to meteorologist Chad Myers for the forecast. Make it stop.

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, that will be maybe in ten days. Every storm that comes by now is going to have the potential to put down snow. It's cold enough. The Atlantic Ocean is thawed, so we're getting this ocean effect. Every time a low like this one comes in contact with the warm ocean, the Gulf Stream there, another low can form, and as it does, it runs up the East Coast as a coastal low.

There's another storm behind this one. This one may be four to six for Boston. It could be more. I'm not really that impressed, maybe six to eight on the American models. But the story is that every single time a low goes by, because the Jet Stream is a big dig like this, and the cold air is already in place. Every time a storm goes by, it's going to snow.

Guys, back to you.

CAMEROTA: OK, Chad, thanks so much. I like that now the snow isn't even impressing him.

Unless it's a foot or more, he's not impressed.

CUOMO: He's not feeling 100 percent either, but he's still here and we appreciate it. Thank you, Chad Everett.

All right. So we are right now at a critical moment that could determine the fate of Ukraine and Russia's rumored annexation plan for former Soviet states. Leaders of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine will meet face to face in Minsk tomorrow. But we're hearing now that top rebel leaders won't be represented. So what does that mean about consensus?

Meanwhile, President Obama says he does support the diplomacy effort. But he is still considering sending arms to Ukraine's military.

Let's bring in CNN's Michelle Kosinski live at the White House. Arming Ukraine was once a good idea. Now it's seen as maybe a bad idea? What's the latest?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, it was also a question: if the U.S. and Germany differ so much on the possibility of arming Ukraine, how can they keep talking about this unity among allies?

Well, the president said he's still working on making that decision. He's consulting with allies, that you have to keep trying for diplomacy. And then arming Ukraine would be an option only if that fails, and then he had German chancellor Angela Merkel. I mean, she disagrees with the idea, but in a show of unity says, "Let's give the Russians one more chance at diplomacy. And if it doesn't work, then you have to explore other options."

That's a big difference from what she said just a few days ago in strong opposition to arming Ukraine, even if she still feels that way.

On the other hand, you have Republican lawmakers outspoken. Senator Lindsay Graham calling the president's stance continued weakness in the face of aggression. You have some even within the administration and the State Department and the Pentagon, as well as the Ukrainians themselves, all saying now is the time to arm them because Ukrainians are being killed. And they feel it would give the Ukrainian as stronger voice at the diplomatic table, Chris.

CUOMO: Well, the one thing that's clear, Michelle, is that Ukraine's military is taking a pounding. Communities are being lost there. Thousands have been killed. So that's the obvious. The question is how to stop it.

Let's get some perspective about what may work and what won't work. Steven Pifer, former U.S. ambassador to the Ukraine and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

Ambassador, thank you very much for joining us. Arming Ukraine. Sounded like a great idea. Secretary Kerry said he wanted to do it. The White House was getting ready to pull. Now? Not so much. What do you think?

STEVEN PIFER, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE: Well, the goal of arming Ukraine, for those of us who have advocated, has been to change the calculus in Moscow, to raise the cost of aggression to the Russians, to the point where the kremlin concludes that military action is no longer worthwhile and to move them to a negotiated diplomatic solution.

And in that sense, I actually thought that the visit of Chancellor Merkel yesterday revealed a lot less difference than people were talking about on Saturday. The Germans are not going to provide arms to Ukraine. Nobody expected them to.

But it seems to me that she made the point that, while there will be U.S./European unity, there may be some disagreements; and that may include this question of providing arms.

CUOMO: Help us with this part also. Because it plays into, like, the U.S. -- the criticism of the U.S. never having a clear strategy. The U.S. says we're going to arm Ukraine. But we're going to give them defensive weapons. But we're going to give them weapons that will allow them to defend themselves and take back territories, but not beat back Russia. That just doesn't seem to make sense. How does that make sense from a governmental diplomatic perspective that may avoid common sense? PIFER: Well, I think it actually makes a lot of sense in that, if you

look over the last six months, the Russians have been very nervous about casualties or about public references in Russia to the fact that the Russian army is actually fighting in eastern Ukraine.

I personally don't think that Mr. Putin cares that much about dead Russian soldiers, but he cares about the impact of that on his public standing at home. And so you've seen extraordinary links in the last six months; the Russians, for example, burying soldiers at night. Wounded soldiers are told that if you revealed that you suffered the wounds in Ukraine, you'll lose your disability pension.

And the thing is, to the extent that you give the Ukrainians the ability to defend themselves better. And remember, we're talking about Ukraine defending itself...

CUOMO: Right.

PIFER: ... against Russian forces. That raises the cost, and that may make it more uncomfortable for Mr. Putin. And again, the goal here is to shift him to exactly where Chancellor Merkel and President Obama were talking about yesterday, which is a negotiated solution.

CUOMO: Well, how do you square that with the idea that Putin has been relatively wildly popular at home because of this narrative, you could argue, false narrative, that the west is against him? And that you know, this Ukraine situation is proof of that, and that's why he is popular?

PIFER: Yes, I think to this point, if there is, you know, lots of evidence to suggest from Russian polling that Putin's course is popular. But polls consistently show that large majorities of Russians do not want to see the Russian army fighting in Eastern Ukraine or in Ukraine at all.

And I think that explains why the Kremlin has gone to extraordinary lengths to deny the fact, even though there's huge amounts of evidence, I mean, it really is a total fiction that there are no Russian forces or Russian equipment in Eastern Ukraine at this point.

CUOMO: That's one of the things that's beguiling, right? Is why does he not admit that they're there when everybody knows that they are. And obviously, we don't have the answer to that. But how about diplomacy in general? They keep referring to Minsk. We have to go back to the Minsk accord. Putin agreed to the Minsk. But he has been flouting everything that he agreed to there. Why is that seen as a legitimate basis as a starting point?

PIFER: Well, this is the big question. You go back to the Minsk cease-fire that was worked out in September, and unfortunately, the Russians did nothing to implement the requirements that were imposed on Russia, such as securing the border between Russia and Ukraine or withdrawing heavy equipment out of Ukraine.

The hope is that this time things may have changed in their calculus. I tend to be keeping my expectations very modest for Minsk. To date, it's not yet clear that the Russians actually want a settlement. Some of us believe that the Russian goal simply is to destabilize Ukraine to make it harder for the Ukrainian government to deal with a very complicated reform agenda, to make it harder for Ukraine to draw closer to the European Union by implementing the association agreement. And if that, in fact, is the Russian goal, the current situation is probably very fine.

But the question is, are the prospects of more costs, the economic sanctions which have been imposed by the west, which are taking an increasing toll on the Russian economy and now the prospective, or the prospect that at some point the United States and other NATO allies might begin providing arms to Ukraine, will that change the calculus in Moscow so that tomorrow President Putin is prepared to negotiate in a serious way?

CUOMO: Word out of mainly Germany but also France that they do believe that there is hope that a proposal could be put together that pleases both sides. Do you see that as baseless optimism? Or do you think there's some "there" there?

PIFER: You can conceive of a proposal that I would argue would be acceptable to Ukraine and would meet the Russian demands as they've been articulated.

The reason I'd be -- tend to be a little bit skeptical, though, is a lot of these points have been out there for six or eight months. President Poroshenko has talked about decentralization, pushing some authority out to eastern Ukraine. He's talked about official status for Russian language. He said he's prepared to take NATO off the table, although that may be more difficult for him now. The Russians have not picked up on those issues earlier.

The question is, is the Russian concern about potential costs both to their economy and also the prospect that military costs may grow if there's a flow of western arms to Ukraine, does that change the calculation and make tomorrow something different?

CUOMO: It's one of the ironies.

PIFER: I think so, but I'm skeptical.

CUOMO: One of the ironies, you know, Ukraine's government does have real issues, but what Russia is doing has kind of clouded them over and put all the focus, at least in the western world, on Russia as the bad guy.

Ambassador Pifer, thank you so much for the perspective. Appreciate it on NEW DAY.

PIFER: Thank you for having me.

CUOMO: Mick.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Breaking news overnight in the tragic case of University of Virginia student Hannah Graham. Her body was found after a month-long search last fall. There is now word of a major development involving the man accused of kidnapping her.

CNN's Jean Casarez is following it all for us. Jean, what do we know?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That man is Jesse Matthew. So many young women have gone missing from the commonwealth of Virginia, and so when Hannah Graham went missing in the fall of last year, the community decided, "We've had enough." And there was an all-out search week after week for Hannah Graham.

Her skeletal remains were found in the middle of October, and since then we've heard nothing. Now we hear there's an impromptu press conference with an update. Could there now be murder charges in the death of Hannah Graham?

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CASAREZ (voice-over): The man at the center of Hannah Graham murder case has been under the microscope of police for the past several months.

Thirty-two-year-old Jesse Matthew crossed authorities' radar in September. That's when the 18-year-old University of Virginia student went missing. It was just before dawn on September 13 when Graham was last spotted by surveillance cameras at a downtown mall near campus. Matthew also seen in this footage. The surveillance video and other accounts led authorities to identify Matthew as the suspect in her disappearance.

On September 24, he was taken into custody on charges of abduction with the intent to defile, after police picked him up in Galveston County, Texas, 1,300 miles away from Charlottesville. Then in October, Graham's remains were found at an abandoned property, only eight miles from the mall where the college sophomore was last seen.

Now sources are telling CNN affiliates WVIR and WTVR that Matthew's charges have been upgraded to first-degree murder.

Meanwhile, authorities investigating if he could be connected to a string of unsolved killings and disappearances in the area. He is also charged with sexually assaulting a woman in Virginia in 2005. He has pleaded not guilty in that case, scheduled for trial in March.

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CASAREZ: And CNN cannot confirm these reports. Now last night, I spoke with the jail outside Charlottesville, and I was told by a sergeant there on duty that Jesse Matthew was not at the jail in Charlottesville. He remains in Fairfax County, Virginia, where he is awaiting charges on a sexual assault. So at this point I was told there was no word much him coming into the area. But, of course, Michaela, there could be video conferencing if he has to have that initial appearance because of an upgrade of charges. We shall see later today.

PEREIRA: We certainly will. And we'll be watching that here on CNN, Jean, thank you so much. And meanwhile our legal professionals, our legal analysts, if you

will, will analyze the challenges that prosecutors face when they make their case later this morning.

CAMEROTA: Snow and ice a deadly combination on the New Jersey turnpike. One person was killed and dozens injured in a 15-vehicle pile-up last night. This was just outside of New York City. Four semis and two box trucks were involved in the wreck. Police say the highway became treacherous when temperatures plunged below freezing. Such a mess and so dangerous out there.

CUOMO: No question about it. We'll see more of that, unfortunately.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn, remember that name? The former head of the International Monetary Fund is testifying on pimping charges this morning, accused of organizing sex parties with prostitutes in both Europe and the U.S. He has admitted to attending the parties but testified he did not know the women were prostitutes. Strauss-Kahn was arrested in New York in 2011 in an entirely different sex scandal, accused of sexually assaulting a maid.

PEREIRA: Forty-five years after Apollo 11 landed on the moon, a bag of souvenirs brought back by the late Neil Armstrong has appeared. Part of the collection: a 16-millimeter movie camera from inside the spacecraft. It's the one that was used to capture Armstrong's famous first steps.

This treasure trove was discovered by his widow, Carol Armstrong. She was cleaning out a closet. We're told these items were intended to be left on the moon, but Armstrong carried them back with him instead and kept their secrets -- existence a secret. Not only that, I think right there is one of the tethers that was used, a waist tether to tether him to the spacecraft. Apparently, it's all going to be on display at the Smithsonian, part of their exhibit there. So really amazing.

CAMEROTA: That's good. Those seem important.

PEREIRA: Look in your closets.

CUOMO: It was in a box that said "moon stuff."

CAMEROTA: That's good. A shoe box. That's great. Thanks so much.

Well, same-sex marriage became legal in Alabama this week but county officials refusing to issue marriage licenses. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal is here with his take on the standoff.

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CAMEROTA: Same-sex marriage becomes legal in Alabama this week, but several county officials refusing to issue marriage licenses. This comes ahead of a federal decision expected in just a few months which could expand same-sex marriage to the entire country, making gay marriage a hot-button issue heading into the 2016 presidential race.

Let's bring in Bobby Jindal -- he is the Republican governor of Louisiana -- to talk about all of this. Good morning, Governor.

GOV. BOBBY JINDAL (R), LOUISIANA: Alisyn, thank you for having me back.

CAMEROTA: Thanks for being on NEW DAY. We love having you.

So what do you make of what's going on in the state that -- a neighboring state to Louisiana and Alabama, where these county officials will not issue marriage licenses to gay couples?

JINDAL: Well, Alisyn, let's step back and remember how we got here.

Now remember, there are a lot of politicians that have so-called evolved on this issue. Remember when President Obama first ran for office, he was for traditional marriage. Saw the polls change, he changed his position.

I'm not one of those politicians. My faith teaches me that marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't believe in discrimination against anybody. I'm not for changing the definition of marriage. And that's why I hope the Supreme Court decides not to overturn what the states have decided. In Louisiana, it's in our state Constitution. My hope is the Supreme Court will respect what state legislators and states have already decided.

CAMEROTA: But are you comfortable with local county officials defying a federal court order?

JINDAL: Well, and that's why I think, ultimately, the Supreme Court has got to decide this. The Supreme Court has created some uncertainty here with their earlier rulings. I think ultimately, in Louisiana, we had an amendment to the state Constitution. It was done under a Democratic governor, Democratic House, Democratic Senate, overwhelming majorities. Overwhelming majority of our people voted to say we want marriage to be between a man and a woman.

My hope is the courts don't come in and say to the people of Louisiana, "We're going to throw out your courts. We're going to throw out your legislative decision." In our state the federal judge has actually upheld our definition.

CAMEROTA: But in the meantime. Are the county officials supposed to be defying a federal court order? Are you comfortable with that? Before the Supreme Court takes it up.

JINDAL: Well, look, we're a nation of laws. That's why I've said I want the Supreme Court not to overturn our law, and that's why, ultimately, if the Supreme Court were to do this, I think the remedy would be a constitutional amendment in the Congress, to tell the courts you can't overturn what the states have decided.

I think that there are a lot of folks who like to look at polls. I think voters, even if they disagree with a candidate on their views on marriage, will respect leaders that say, "Look, I'm going to take my positions." They're not going to change with the polls. They're not go to evolve because it's politically correct. So my hope is the courts, the Supreme Court won't overturn the state

laws. If they do, I think the remedy is for Congress to amend the Constitution and say, "Look, let's respect what the states have decided."

CAMEROTA: Here's what's confusing to some people about conservatives' position on gay marriage. And that is that conservatives like to talk about how great marriage is and the stabilizing effect that marriage has on families and even on communities. It's best if couples are married. So why not extend that same thinking to gay folks?

JINDAL: Alisyn, look, I'll speak for myself; and I know there are a lot of us that believe in the traditional view of marriage. It's important in our faith. I'm a Christian. It's something that's taught. It's been held in our -- the Christian faith for 2,000 years now. Marriage, the concept of marriage, is even older than that. It's not meant to condone any kind of discrimination.

And by the way, it wasn't that long ago there were a lot of folks, including the president, including Secretary Clinton and others, that held that same position. It was only recently as the polls changed, some politicians changed their views. And so for many of us it's a very important part of our faith. We don't think we should change the definition of marriage. That doesn't mean we want to discriminate against others, but it does mean that we say marriage has been between a man and a woman. In our faith, it is something that is defined that way; it has been defined that way. We don't think we should change it.

And so in our state, overwhelming majorities have agreed with that, in my state of Louisiana, both across party lines, across the entire state. So we just think that it's not right for the court to come in and force people to change that. Again, I'm speaking from a state where an overwhelming majorities in both parties came out and said, "We like the way that marriage has been defined traditionally. We don't want to change it."

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about what is going on in Europe. And you got into a little bit of trouble a couple of weeks ago when you talked about the no-go zones in London and Paris, where supposedly non- Muslims cannot go. Have you clarified your thinking or your statements on that yet?

JINDAL: Alisyn, I knew that my comments were going to rile up people on the left. Whenever you speak honestly about the threat of radical Islamic terrorism, the politically correct crowd does not like this.

I was very clear. No-go zones are areas where people are trying to impose Sharia law, where women don't feel as comfortable going in without wearing veils from the outside. The police are less likely to go in. The left try to jump on the semantics. I don't care if you call them sensitive urban zones, the way the French do, or no-go zones. Here's the bigger point.

The bigger point is that Islam has got a problem. Muslim leaders have got to condemn, not just generic acts of violence, but these individual terrorists, saying these fools aren't martyrs; they're not going to enjoy a reward in the afterlife; they're going straight to hell.

Now, I hope and believe a majority of Muslims don't condone the beliefs of these terrorists, but it's important for Muslim leaders to condemn the individuals committing these acts. And then for the west, it's important for officials to insist people coming into our countries assimilate and integrate. We don't want to give people the same freedom we give to everybody and allow them to use those freedoms to undermine our freedoms. And that's a dangerous trend. You're seeing it in Europe, and it could happen here in America if we're not careful.

CAMEROTA: But do -- but do you believe that there are neighborhoods that are off-limits in London and Paris to non-Muslims? Or are you saying they are somewhere people, tourists, may not feel as comfortable as other places? Or are you saying these are no-go, off limits zones?

JINDAL: Alisyn, when people say no-go zones, they don't mean by law you're not allowed to go in those. It's not like there are fences around these neighborhoods.

But the point is, is that women who are outsiders don't feel as comfortable going in. They feel if they're not veiled, they're not welcome there. The police will tell you. The police have said this. That they get lower reports of serious violent crimes. There are attempts by the local communities to impose as much of Sharia law as they can.

Absolutely, you see these areas in the U.K. and in France, and the reality is, you get second-, third-generation immigrants there that don't consider themselves parts of those society.

Now to their credits, the French prime minister and others are speaking out against the threats of radical Islamic terrorism. Our president doesn't like to use those words.

Here in America, here's the threat I see. I'm not saying we've got those zones here, but I'm saying if we continue to insist on hyphenated Americans, if we don't view America as a melting pot, if we refuse to teach about America as an exceptional country with English as our language, we risk going down the path that Europe has gone where they don't insist on assimilation and integration.

One of the strengths of America is 2 doesn't matter how long you've been here, five minutes or 100 years, we consider you Americans. Many of those folks come here and serve in our military. They start businesses. It doesn't matter what color are you. It doesn't matter where you came from, if you're willing to adopt our freedoms, the right to self-determination, religious liberty and freedom of speech.

CAMEROTA: We only have a little bit of time left, but I know that you unveiled a new education reform plan. What's in it?

JINDAL: Alisyn, look, the important thing is in our country, we like to say we believe in equality of opportunity and education. That's not the reality.

The reality is folks that live in wealthy neighborhoods can send their kids to great schools or they can choose to send their kids to good private schools. Too many kids are trapped in failing schools. The Democratic party is bought and paid for by the teacher unions, standing in the schoolhouse door preventing equality of opportunity for all children.

We present a detailed plan around school choice, around repealing common core, getting the federal government out of the way, and finally putting great teachers in every classroom. You can go to AmericaNext.org and find out more details.

CAMEROTA: Governor, we want to end on this shot. I believe this is your portrait, and it's caused a bit of a kerfuffle here. The one on the left -- well, first of all, neither of these look that much like you, I don't think, Governor. But what's the problem with the one on the left?

JINDAL: You know, the left goes crazy about race, and I think this is such a silly argument. My point is...

CAMEROTA: Because they think that the one on the left, you look too white.

JINDAL: You know, this was donated by a constituent. I've never met the artist. It's not owned by me or the state. It's not an official portrait.

The reality is this. Is I think we need to move beyond race. The left is obsessed with race. I think they're bankrupt. They're running out of ideas. I jokingly said yesterday at a press gathering, look, a reporter was obsessed with this. I said, "Look, you can put it in every store you want that Jindal is not white. This is just silly."

We need to stop dividing people by race, by the color of their skins. It's the dumbest way to divide people. I've got no patience for it. I think the American people are better than that. There's some folks on the far left, one of your competitors on another channel, said some really ridiculous things about me and my race. People need to get over this. They need to start saying, look, we're all Americans. We're not African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Indian-Americans. We're all Americans.

CAMEROTA: I'm just glad that the portrait shows you with good hair, which you have. Governor, thanks so much for coming in.

JINDAL: Thanks, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: A pleasure to see you.

Let's go over to Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right. Totally different direction, tomorrow's Powerball drawing, $450 million. What are the chances you could actually win that jackpot? I'm weighing them right now.

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