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A Father-Daughter Relationship Is Taken To A Crazy New Level, The Bedroom; A Woman Battles Depression On Twitter With Hash Tag #Orgasmquest; Pot-Infused Sex Spray That Women Are Supposed To Love Because It Claims To Enhance Their Sex Lives; A Public Park Designed To Get People Talking About Sex
Aired February 16, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, public sex, private sex and forbidden sex. A father-daughter relationship is taken to a crazy new
level, the bedroom. A woman battles depression on Twitter with hash tag #orgasmquest and a sex park has statues and all is packing in the crowds.
Let us get started with our most tweeted story of the night. A teen lose her virginity to her own father and is now planning to marry him and
he her. Take a look at this.
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UNIDENIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Teen, who wants to remain anonymous, says she grew up with her mother and was estranged from her father.
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PINSKY: Shocking story of the night dominating social media.
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SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU!: He started contacting her on Facebook when she was 16.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The first week she went to visit him, they had sex.
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PINSKY: Adults take care of children.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: There is a reason I lost my virginity to him, because I never felt comfortable with any other man.
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PINSKY: She was in trouble and he took advantage of that with his own flesh and blood.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: They are engaged and planning to move to New Jersey where adult incest is legal.
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PINSKY: She claims this relationship is consensual. I am saying and continue to say and did say, absolutely, no way. Take a look at this.
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PINSKY: Forget the psychological principles of it being consensual. By definition, consent from this kid at 16 was impossible.
ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: It is not consensual. It is statutory rape. That is what is going on here. And, what we have is the worst kind
of statutory rape because it is coming from her own father. It is such a ad story. And, we do not know exactly what state they are living in.
But, it will not change the fact that she was 16 years old. And, it is hard to find any state where that is not going to be a crime. It is sad
to watch this happen. And, I think that the problem is, we are talking about an anonymous. She wants to stay anonymous. Right? So, it is hard
to go in and actually prosecute these crimes when you do not know who it is.
PINSKY: I bet there is some way you could figure this when out on social media these days. Sam, she actually defends reproducing with this -
- what do I call this guy? Animal? This father.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER": Predator. Rapist.
PINSKY: His father -- predator, rapist -- yes.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: And, what does she say is the reason that she defends it?
SCHACHER: OK. So, here is what she says. Quote, "Everybody thinks that kids born in incestuous relationships will definitely have genetic
problems, but that`s not true. That happens when there is years of inbreeding, like with the royal family. Incest has been around as long as
humans have. Everybody just needs to deal with it as long as nobody is getting hurt or getting pressured or forced." Wow!
PINSKY: Oh, Vanessa, there we go. Murder has been around as long as incest too.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: Let us just kind of deal with it, everybody. It is good times.
VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: The problem here is that this man is a child predator. He stalked her online. He took her virginity.
He groomed her. He had her in his house. He made her his victim. And, if he was not her father, these would be charges that this man would have to
face.
So, the simple fact that this is her father, I do not understand why he is not in jail. I think this is the only time where I believe
journalists sometimes need to tell who their sources are, sometimes need to tell who they are interviewing.
I am a journalist and I know that goes completely against what we stand for, but if this journalist knows who he spoke to, he needs to report
it to the police. This is a crime.
PINSKY: Well, Anneelise, Vanessa raises a good point here, which is when somebody is in imminently in harm`s way, do not they have some
obligation? Should not law enforcement be involved here?
GOETZ: Law enforcement may need to be involved, but it is going to be difficult to get that journalist to actually give up the name. What I
think is interesting here is she chose to remain anonymous, right?
And, she said that her friends do not know. Her family -- aside from her father, her family does not know. And, so -- But I think she is
actually doing a cry for help here, right?
PINSKY: Yes.
GOETZ: Because she is talking to a magazine. And, she has not been talking to anyone else. She has been talking to the echo chamber of her
father who, of course, is saying, "This is not weird. This is fine. Do not worry."
PINSKY: Yes.
GOETZ: And, she made the choice to actually find a journalist and tell her story to the world. I think she is crowd sourcing for what to do
next and that is to leave.
PINSKY: Yes. You know -- Listen. And, Samantha, so many people these days are looking for validation of their sort of theoretical
perspective. I have talked to somebody today, who has worked in law enforcement and was saying he was talking to prostitutes who was being
severely exploited, who are defending it because they got to buy their Prada purses because who are you to say, man.
SCHACHER: Wow!
PINSKY: You got to get used of it. This has been around for a long time too.
SCHACHER: Right. Yes. Here is the thing with this girl, Dr. Drew. First of all, there are other people that know about this. And, it is a
shame. Her grandparents from his side, so they should be stepping in, OK? They are adults.
Also her best friend. I am sure she is around the same age. So, I do not blame her best friend. And, then this woman who is his ex-
girlfriend, the father`s ex-girlfriend who is also living with them, she should step in.
But, Dr. Drew, this whole GSA thing too is -- I am sorry, I researched it today. And, GSA for all of you out there who do not know
what it is, it stands for Genetic Sexual Attraction, there is very little research out there that even supports it. I think it is a crutch for
people like him to make it -- make him allow him to do whatever the hell he wants.
PINSKY: I got someone on the phone who has some experience with this. Her name is Barbara Gonyo. She is the author of the e-book, quote, "I Am
His Mother, But He Is Not My Son."
Now, Barbara, you had given up your son for adoption when he was just -- when you were just 16. But, then you became reunited with him 26 years
later. Tell us what happened then.
BARBARA GONYO, WAS ATTRACTED TO SON: Well, I was the head of an organization called true seekers in adoption, which was reuniting adoptees
and birth parents. So, I was quite familiar with people meeting before I met him, you know? It took me a while to find him.
And, I did not even understand that I would have feelings like this. I never knew anything about it. And, I went to a conference one time for
adoptees and reunited people.
And, one of the girls in the -- was talking in one of the forums. And, she said that she had met her brother and she said, "I cannot get over
how I feel about my brother."
She said, "I want to hop on a motorcycle behind him." She said. "I am actually attracted to him." She said, "I do not know, it is like a
genetic sexual attraction."
And, that is where the term came from, even though I am always credited with starting it, I did not. But -- and, I thought, well, that is
really strange. But, then as I got to know my son, I found myself having these feelings for him. Then I thought, "Why am I feeling that way about
him? He is my son."
But, he was never allowed to be my son. He was somebody else`s son. And, he looked exactly like his birth father. And, it was very confusing
feelings for me. And, I did not know what to do with those feelings.
I tried to discuss it with him, but he was never interested in discussing it. He was ashamed to even talk about it. So, I do not know if
he ever really had the feelings himself or I was carrying them by myself.
PINSKY: Barbara, how did you react when you read this particular article we have been discussing this evening?
GONYO: I did not read the article that you have been discussing this evening.
PINSKY: OK.
GONYO: I just heard about it this morning for the first time when you called me.
PINSKY: OK. Does it surprise you? Do you have any reaction to it? Because it started at awfully young age for this girl.
GONYO: Well, for one thing, she is only 18. And, she is looking for her daddy. And, she is going about it the wrong way because she got
conflicting feelings because she is not his little girl, but she is his little girl.
PINSKY: And, Barbara do not you hold him accountable for violating rather than holding the boundaries with this girl who has these conflicted
feelings, so she could work through with them on her own?
GONYO: Yes, I certainly do.
PINSKY: Thank you.
GONYO: I certainly do. I certainly think that it is up to him to stop it.
PINSKY: Yes. Exactly. Sam, last question real quick. Few time left.
SCHACHER: Just a comment really quickly. Because I think that there is a big difference between -- I still think it is weird between two
siblings. But, to a 30-year-old siblings and then an adult and a 16-year- old girl.
PINSKY: Yes. I agree. I agree. And, then Barbara, I think, stated it very nicely.
SCHACHER: Yes. Yes.
PINSKY: And, she is the one accredited -- she say it herself a minute ago with developing this term. She sort of did, Genetic Sexual
Attraction.
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PINSKY: Next we will hear from a woman who herself was in a relationship with her father. And, later, a public park designed to get
people talking, talking about sex. That is right back after this.
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JULIE, HAD INTIMATE AFFAIR WITH FATHER: My father and I reunited last year. We had a great reunion. It was very emotional. One of the key
things that happened was that we realized how much time has gone by and there was a lot of grief. I constantly wanted to talk to him. I wanted to
be in his presence. I wanted to hold his hands.
PINSKY: Is there a sexual component to it now?
JULIE: Well, there was not at first.
PINSKY: But, then there was?
JULIE: Exactly.
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JULIE (via phone): There is no way for that relationship to ever be equal. There is never going to be equality in a partnership. There is
always going to be an imbalance and the father is need to be held accountable.
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PINSKY: So, that tape you are looking at there was Julie. The early in-person interview was her four years ago talking openly about having had
a sexual relationship with her own father.
The phone interview that followed was more recently after she has had some therapy and she sees this quite differently. Now, similar story we
are talking about tonight, a woman who was 18 when she lost her virginity to her father.
She was interviewed by "New York" Magazine. She was asked if the daddy-daughter dynamic ever comes up in their sex life. Here is how she
responds in this audio re-enactment. Listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Not usually. But, it has come up a couple of times when one of us blurts out baby girl or daddy or something.
Last time it happened, we both stood up and stopped what we were doing. It caught us off guard.
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PINSKY: Now, in the same article she described the first night they were together sexually. Another re-enactment follows. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: That night we were playing wrestling in the room where I was going to sleep in and I bit him. He was wearing a
pair of basketball shorts and a tank top. And, after I bit him, I could see goose bumps pop up from his toes to his shoulders.
Then he pinched my inner thigh and I got goose bumps. We stopped and said that we did not know what was going on, but admitted that we had
strong feelings for each other. We have discussed whether it was wrong and then we kissed. And, then we made out. And, then we made love for the
first time. That was when I lost my virginity.
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PINSKY: And, then I vomited. Excuse me. It chokes me up to start up. But, it is just so sick. Now, Judy, in the article she says she has -
- guess what? Abandonment issues and that she dealt with chronic depression. What do you make of it?
JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I think that all of the -- all of the ingredients were ripe for someone to take advantage of her.
And, it is really sad that the father knowing that these were some of her issues did what he did.
You know, I heard that Julie said when she went to therapy and decided to talk about this, again, that there is no equality in a
relationship like this. And, that is absolutely true. When somebody has abandonment issues, Dr. Drew and especially because it is actually very
linked to the father abandoning her because he was out of her life for so long.
PINSKY: Right. That is right.
HO: This is not even a projection on to another object. Right?
PINSKY: No. This is --
HO: He is trying to fulfill that right through her father.
PINSKY: Right. He is, actually, the object of the abandoning fantasy that is now in front of her. What is that child supposed to do
with that? She lives in that intense fantasy that she is attached to and this predator walks into her life. Leeann, you are nodding your head.
LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, yes, Dr. Drew, it is funny. I am going to do my own re-enactment here. This is what stuck out to me.
She goes, "We discussed it before we had sex. I told him I was saving myself for someone who I would be committed to for the rest of my life. It
was important for me to make it clear that if I made love to him, he was in a relationship with me."
It is like she was latching on. It is like if I am going to give up my virginity, you have to be mine. I mean, come on, there is all kinds of
craziness going on in that.
PINSKY: Well, her intensity, Erica, is something already that is, you know -- it is adolescent. Let us say it. It is adolescent, Erica and it
is adolescent that had childhood abandonment issue. A lot of people have that. The intensity is out of control.
But, then to have an adult cosign that and take advantage of it and have that person to have been her father, it is sort of biblically -- I
mean it is some sort of, you know, it is on scale of myth that somebody does something like that.
ERICA AMERICA, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, Dr. Drew, that is what I was going to say. This is all signs of dysfunction. So, choreographically
perfect that I find this story perhaps to not be true, Dr. Drew. Did that cross your mind at all?
PINSKY: Never.
AMERICA: Everything is too perfect.
PINSKY: No.
AMERICA: Really?
PINSKY: There is too many horrible people that I come in contact with in my life when I stuff like this. And, by the way, we talked to
Julie and I talked to Barbara. And, they have all had experiences like this. So, I know what happens.
AMERICA: OK. OK.
HO: Yes.
AMERICA: All right. Yes -- No, no. But, I mean I think it is horrible. I think she might have had abuse to begin with. Her mother was
ill. She had an abandoned father and then this father comes along and takes advantage of her.
And I think they definitely need to scrutinize, when did this happen? When did the first sexual activity happen, so that they can make it a legal
issue because this cannot just go on and they can live happily ever after.
PINSKY: But, Erica, you raised this point at a time in which articles are coming out in "Rolling Stones" that are, you know, questionable in
veracity. And, so it is an appropriate thing to question. Is this for real? Are we getting sucked into something? After all, there is no
confirmation of who these people are and what not. But, I think the point is, Erica, these things do happen.
AMERICA: I think they happen. But, what I am saying is, she is so positive right now. But, it is interesting, because you mentioned that
earlier with the other girl. In the beginning, you said she was very like, "Oh, it is great and we hold hands." And, then you said a couple years
later, she was very upset. We have not seen that yet with her. So, that is what I am scared for this girl.
PINSKY: Trust me. Of course, that house of cards -- Judy said it is coming. It always comes. There is always a house of cards that falls.
TWEEDEN: Is there any way that law enforcement can go to whoever this guy that did the interview was and demand to know who this girl was, so
they can go arrest the father?
PINSKY: I have asked that to Anneelise, Vanessa and everyone, sort of it was unclear that they could ever extract this information. But, I will
tell you what, Judy, you know, we as clinicians, when somebody is imminently going to harm themselves or somebody else, there are procedures
for us to go through to alert the potential victims. Why does not journalist have something like that?
HO: That is right. I really wish they did because for us, we can actually take an active step right away. And, now, we have a nation who
knows about this story, wants to track this couple down, and we cannot do anything about it. And, that is really, really stressful.
PINSKY: All right. Here is my thoughts. Just got quick thoughts, which these things happen and people are remarkably defensive. People that
are even the victims are remarkably defensive about the situation they are in. It is when they change their perspective by coming outside of these --
moving away from this boundary of situations that they realize how problematic they are.
I am not saying that it is only because of moving out of it that they become problematic. It is exploitive. It is bounderless. It has a
profound effect on emotional development. And, as I have said over and over, big people take care of little people. Adults, people in authority,
doctors, teachers, we are there to hold boundaries.
And, if somebody needs to act out against those boundaries, our job is to hold those boundaries and to get them the help they need to heal and
feel whole and regulate as an autonomous adult. Otherwise, we are deeming them -- dooming them to dysregulation and stunted development their entire
life.
And, we have lots of people out there like that who have been through various kinds of trauma. When they hit adulthood, they minimize the
trauma. They move away from the trauma and it is the gift that keeps on giving. It keeps operating there but outside of their consciousness and
causing a tremendous chaos in their life and relationships.
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PINSKY: Next, how one woman is dealing with depression. She is masturbating and she is here to tell us about it with #orgasmquest.
A later a cannabis base spray that women are supposed to love because it claims to enhance their sex lives. Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: This woman says antidepressant medications are killing her solo sex life. So, she is documenting her
mission to get her orgasm back with the hash tag #orgasmquest. Is she over sharing or revealing the real struggles of living with depression?
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PINSKY: It is time for "TMI." Are we sharing too much about our private lives on Twitter and other social media? That woman had coined the
#orgasmquest. She is masturbating and she joined us. Pretty interesting. Take a look.
CRISTA ANNE, CREATOR OF #ORGASMQUEST: I am not using this in place of medication. I am using this to supplement the medication that I am on.
The anti-depressant that I am on right now, amitripstyline, is working wonderfully for me in every other respect. I just cannot cum. I enjoy
life for the first time in my 32 years.
PINSKY: And, Crista, let me just slow you down a little bit. Amitriptyline is actually an old fashion where we used to call, Tricyclic
antidepressant. So, obviously, you are on -- you are working with a physician and you are trying lots of things.
I heard you say that you came out of the womb depressed. And, one of the things that, you know -- again, I think you want to raise awareness
about mental illness and reduce stigma. So, let me just sort of break this down a little bit.
When somebody is chronically sad, like you say out of the womb depressed and sad, not just cannot eat, cannot sleep, feel worthless and,
you know, cannot function, but sad, we call that dysthymia. It is a little different than major depression or chronic depression. Have you ever
received that label, Dysthymia?
CRISTA ANNE: I have not.
PINSKY: OK. So, you think you have like chronic recurrent depression? Is that right?
CRISTA ANNE: Yes. Yes.
PINSKY: These are different things. OK. And, in terms of how you figure the sexuality piece of your story figures into this, what is the
point you are trying to make?
CRISTA ANNE: The point I am trying to make is that -- life -- masturbation is my life pack. It alleviates some of my depressive episodes
and reconnects me with the pleasurable positive aspect of life.
It is a tool in dealing with my stress, dealing my panic. Before I went on this medication, I could orgasm in two or three minutes. So, it is
not like I was disappearing for 25, 30 minutes to take care of business. It was something where I could go in bathroom, nobody knew.
I reconnected with a pleasurable centerpiece. And, I was able to go on with my day without having to take rescue medication. But, I take my
regular antidepressant every day. I am also prescribed rescue Klonopin for panic attacks.
PINSKY: OK.
CRISTA ANNE: And those make me groggy. And those make me a less effective parent.
PINSKY: Right.
CRISTA ANNE: So, I want my orgasms back. I want my life pack back. And beyond that, I want to start conversations about the loss of orgasm
with antidepressants or with any other medications
HO: I totally support the woman`s right to give herself an orgasm. This is not a knock on that."
What I am saying is there a lot of misinformation about what that kind of thing actually does. There is not lasting effect. You are not
changing brain chemistry for the better in the long-run. There are other effective ways of treating depression like cognitive behavioral therapy if
you do not want to go the route of medication or you do not like the side effects.
PINSKY: OK. Leeanne.
TWEEDEN: You know, Dr. Drew, I am all for people doing whatever in their relationships and whatever to themselves. I think what I have is
problem is that she has young children in their household. She is doing this in public. There are just some things, Dr. Drew, that do not need to
be public.
PINSKY: You mean talking about it publicly?
TWEEDEN: Yes.
PINSKY: I see. Got it. Got it.
TWEEDEN: Talking about it publicly. Why do we need to consume this part of her personal life? I mean I know she was in -- she was in the sex
trade or whatever before. But, this is a personal thing she is going through.
When I heard her in the last segment, she said, "I take medication now. It is the greatest thing. I feel alive and like living for the first
time." And that she has orgasms to make herself feel better when she has depressive episodes or whatever.
PINSKY: Episodes, yes.
TWEEDEN: But, if you on medication that makes you feel good, why are you depressed again, if you have the medication to combat that?
PINSKY: All right. Hold on. I will get her back in a minute. I want to hear from Erica first.
AMERICA: Yes. I mean I think it is good that she is bringing to light this issue altogether because yes with antidepressants and other
mental health drugs as well as other drugs, altogether, there are sexual side effects that I think a lot of times people are too shy to talk to
their doctor about it.
This needs to be an open thing, an open dialogue, with that absolutely. But, with the -- with her -- her -- like Judy was saying her
tactic of using the masturbation as this tool, what is coming up in my mind, Dr. Drew, is could this be an obsessive thing? Could this be a way
of kind of, you know, of --
HO: Checking around.
AMERICA: -- getting around, dealing with what is -- checking out. Exactly.
PINSKY: OK. OK. OK. So --
AMERICA: She should be doing other things.
PINSKY: So, there is lots of different things raised for those of us that work in this field. So, Crista Anne, let us bring you back in here.
A couple things. Let me -- I have three or four myself.
One is, good job addressing taboos and empowering female sexuality, that kind of thing. And, you are clearly making some progress there. My
question is, are you working with a physician? Are you following doctor`s orders or are you treating yourself?
CRISTA ANNE: No. I am following doctor`s orders to the letter.
PINSKY: OK. And, Judy brought up the issue of cognitive behavioral therapies or other psychotherapeutic interventions. Are you getting
anything besides the self-stimulation and the pills?
CRISTA ANNE: Yes. I also see a therapist.
PINSKY: OK. So, Judy, she got a team around her, which we would all again applaud that. And, then -- gosh, this brings up so many issues.
HO: Right.
PINSKY: Why do not you comment on what my team has said so far, Crista Anne?
CRISTA ANNE: As far as over sharing, the conversations that have come out of this are beautiful. If you do not want to read this, then do not
read it. I am not forcing it upon anyone. My site is there. The hash tag is there. If you do not like it, do not read it. That is fine. It is not
for everybody. I am not for everybody. And, that is OK.
TWEEDEN: Do you think about your children?
PINSKY: Right. How about Leeann`s concerns about your children reading this later?
CRISTA ANNE: My children will be age appropriately aware of what I do as they grow up. I was raised in an -- I would call sex-positive way. I
was age appropriately aware that my parents had sex. My children are going to be age appropriately aware of sex as it comes up. Right now --
PINSKY: But, you do not think there is going to be a little cringe factor for these kids? I worry they will -- my kids have to deal with the
fact that I discuss this stuff on television, Judy.
HO: Right. Exactly.
(LAUGHING)
CRISTA ANNE: Yes -- No. There definitely might be a cringe factor. And, we will deal with that as it comes up. We will have an open dialogue
and we will find out.
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PINSKY: Next, a new body spray claims to enhance a woman`s sex life. It has cannabis in it. That is right. It is a weed spray.
And, later, a sex park with larger than life statues in suggestive poses. So suggestive we cannot even show them to you. Back after this.
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PINSKY: More TMI and a warning, this is an adult topic. We are dealing with graphic sexual details. A new cannabis -- new pot-infused sex
spray for women is being touted by its creator as so-called female Viagra. Take a look.
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SCHACHER: Maybe you can prescribe me some of this sex spray. Why not? So, let me tell you about it.
PINSKY: I saw the green cross across the street here. I am sure it would be easy to get.
SCHACHER: OK. It is called Foria and according to the creator`s website, the product is made of pharmaceutical grade cannabis and coconut
oil. It should be sprayed onto the clitoris, inner and outer labia and inside the vagina. It reportedly does not get woman high. There are no
psychoactive elements here but rather promises a more --
PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Wait. Stop. Stop. What do you mean no psychoactive elements?
SCHACHER: That is exactly what it says. It does not get you high. There are no psychoactive elements. So, perhaps it is just the CBD. OK?
PINSKY: Right.
SCHACHER: It is not the THC.
PINSKY: You cannot get pure CBD yet. But the website for this sex spray has a PG commercial. You, guys, maybe want to play it. We can look
at it. A small bottle sells for $44. Large one is $88. This is the commercial for this thing that is going to give you special effects.
SCHACHER: It is just saying, Dr. Drew, that it is going to heighten your orgasm, OK? So, saying it is just going to make it more powerful.
And, according to their study, 100 percent of the participants said that they had a better orgasm.
PINSKY: OK. Spirit, you buying it?
SPIRIT CLANTON, PSYCHOTHERAPIST/T.V. HOST: And, rather than people trying to get their female genitalia high because, you know, I am just not
buying some of this. It is not THC. It is this, it is that.
Take that money, get a good -- use that towards a co-pay and go deal with the psychological issues that are preventing you from having the kind
of sexual activities and the sexual excitement that you want to have. Stop using sprays and pills and just go deal with the issues.
PINSKY: Emily, what do you think?
EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I totally agree. You are overlooking something that actually could be a medical issue here, right?
PINSKY: Right.
ROBERTS: There could be something actually wrong with you and spraying something that you do not know what the side effects are. There
could be side effects. You can absorb through your vagina. It is true, right, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: Well, that is what I figured this was, with something that was just getting you high through absorption through the vagina, much like
people absorb alcohol through -- believe it or not, people do enemas and all kinds of crazy stuff.
CLANTON: Yes. You are right.
SCHACHER: They soak tampons with alcohol, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: That is right. This is that same kind of phenomenon, I assumed. And, my fear was, one of the big problems with the legalization
that Colorado has had to deal with, and they have dealt with it, was the edibles having too high a concentration of cannabis and people were having
psychotic episodes and jumping out of buildings.
SCHACHER: OK. You, guys, are reading way too into this. First of all, there is no psychoactive element according to their claims. OK?
PINSKY: But, how could that be? How could that be?
SCHACHER: It is CBD. From what I have read, it is CBD. It is not THC.
PINSKY: But, Sam, I know for sure you cannot get pure CBD.
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: So, it is mostly CBD. Is that true?
SCHACHER: Mostly CBD.
PINSKY: OK.
SCHACHER: Second of all -- OK. So, that is the case. It is mostly CBD.
PINSKY: OK.
SCHACHER: Second of all, I agree with the fact that if you are somehow using it as a crutch to fix your relationship or if you have some
medical issue, then, yes, you should perhaps book an appointment with you, Dr. Drew, or with you, Spirit. However, there are a lot of women out there
--
PINSKY: Do not leave Emily out.
SCHACHER: -- and Emily. However, there are a lot of women out there who do are satisfied with their sex life, but they are also looking to
spice it up. Maybe they have been in a long-term relationship.
PINSKY: No. No. That is right.
CLANTON: Be careful. Be careful.
SCHACHER: Maybe their partner has a higher sex drive. Just saying. Come on, you guys.
PINSKY: No. No. No. Sam, I get what you are saying.
CLANTON: Let us talk about marijuana and fertility and all the problems that go along with it --
SCHACHER: Of course, be careful. Of course.
CLANTON: There are so many things you do not know about this. And, so, you have people going, "Oh, I want to have a stronger orgasm. Sure, I
will pay $80 for a spray." Give me a break. The only person that is getting high is the people getting rich off, of this thing. No way.
PINSKY: And, according to the website, in California you need a physician`s statement and recommendation to purchase this spray.
SCHACHER: Oh, good. OK.
PINSKY: So, Sam, we can talk about that later.
SCHACHER: That is why I said write me a prescription. But, Dr. Drew, I just want to point something out.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: Does men have over two dozen FDA approved drugs to help them in this department.
PINSKY: No. No, not this department.
CLANTON: Women does not have FDA approved.
PINSKY: This is not -- not only that.
SCHACHER: I am not saying this is. My point is, what do women have, though, Dr. Drew out there?
PINSKY: They have testosterone. You can get testosterone replacement. You can get estrogen and progesterone replacements when your
levels are off. Sam, you are asking me a question that is very much to point.
We do not pay enough attention to the subtle changes that occur across time, across the life span in a woman`s hormonal, biological
environment. And, I am telling you, it is vitally important for people to maintain exactly the kinds of connection we are talking about here with
their intimate partner. Do talk to your doctor about it.
But, Sam, I get your point. I get it. Maybe someone is healthy and young and they want to experiment. People do abuse things. They do
experiment with things. If they want to try it. But like Emily and Spirit are saying, do not treat yourself.
SCHACHER: I agree.
PINSKY: You do not treat yourself for something if you are actually having problems. The fact is for men, we have one thing. We have
something that suppresses the breakdown of nitric oxide. That is what is all these medicines do to treat mean. They suppress the breakdown of
nitric oxide when it is released from a nerve.
And, thereby, it increases the nitric oxide concentration, so there is an increased blood supply into the male genitalia and you get a reaction
as a result. But it does not affect libido. It does not affect all these other -- arousal and orgasms all these other things. I am concerned that
this like Emily was saying may be getting absorbed.
And, that is something we will see with time. We will keep an eye on this one. Again, I am a little agnostic on it. I just say, my biggest
concern is people treating themselves without really knowing what they are treating.
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PINSKY: Next, sex in the park. Some countries are not afraid to address a very private matter in public. And, check us out on our Facebook
for links to these stories and others. We are right back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Would you visit a theme park all about sex? Taiwan wants to lure tourists with a garden full of erotic
sculptures. Leaders think 100,000 square feet of sexy statue and make talking about sex less taboo.
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PINSKY: Welcome back to our special on sex and sexuality. A sexually-based theme park is being proposed in Taiwan. It is tonight`s
"WTF" segment. The most shocking story of the night, dominating Twitter and Facebook. Take a look.
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PINSKY: I believe there are at least two more parks already in existence. Right?
SCHACHER: Yes. OK. This one is just an idea. But, you are right, there is a similar themed sex park in South Korea as well as in Norway.
And, as far as this Taiwan Sex Park, Dr. Drew, it will be just one part of a much bigger, larger attraction that also includes a, quote, "Dating
Paradise," whatever that is, and venders to help plan your wedding. Now, as we just heard, the park will include erotic art and statues to help
educate young couples as well as try to create conversation with more experienced couples.
PINSKY: Sam, there is a tweet next to your head there. Is not that just Vegas? In the U.S., we have one of those. It is Las Vegas.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: Heather, what do you think about this?
HEATHER MCDONALD, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: I think it is kind of fun. I mean providing kids cannot wander into it after their middle school classes, I
think it is kind of great, like how fun that you kind of walk in nature and see all this stuff and then there is a hotel. And, as long as it is
strictly for adults, I think it is kind of cool and -- good for them. You know?
PINSKY: I do not know. We need a statue park with a bunch of body parts?
MCDONALD: I think as long as it is like private and you have to be of a certain age to enter and you really cannot get into it, otherwise --
PINSKY: What do you mean into it? What do you mean into it?
MCDONALD: Like enter it. Like I do not think --
PINSKY: It should not be an anatomy lessons, is that what you were saying?
MCDONALD: Yes. I do not think kids should be able to go and climb on top of it and see it.
PINSKY: All right.
MCDONALD: But, if it is all strictly for adults and it is off by itself, like any other -- like sexual resort, like hedonism -- then I think
it is fine. It can be --
PINSKY: All right. So, Mark, I get it. Heather goes to Jamaica once a year.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: Yes, Heather.
MCDONALD: No, I do not.
EIGLARSH: Good for her.
MCDONALD: I do not want to go --
MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Good for her.
MCDONALD: -- but I think why not?
PINSKY: Mark.
MCDONALD: For other people.
EIGLARSH: Drew, Drew, if they built one here in Miami, I would help promote it pro bono.
SCHACHER: What?
EIGLARSH: I think sex is wonderful.
PINSKY: Yes?
EIGLARSH: And, for those prudes out there who are so concerned that going to a place like this may make people tingly and that it will increase
their sexual appetite, that is wonderful.
Studies show it decreases people`s risk of heart attack. It makes them sleep better, tension and stress goes down, it helps people`s immune
system. By the way, it feels so good.
SCHACHER: Oh, wow.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: -- I cannot even think up so much to that, I cannot even tell you.
EIGLARSH: Yes.
PINSKY: But, I certainly prefer the statues to the hedonism meetings that Heather advocates --
MCDONALD: I am not saying to go --
PINSKY: You are not going to get STDs from these statues.
MCDONALD: No. Exactly.
PINSKY: In fact, maybe we can educate about that.
MCDONALD: But, I was saying -- I am just saying as long as it is adult only, then I think it is kind of a cool different thing.
PINSKY: Wait until your sons are 18, you may feel differently about it.
MCDONALD: Well, I am just saying, you can get a nice walk and some fresh air while getting a little horny.
SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh.
PINSKY: Samantha.
SCHACHER: I do not know. OK. I like the idea that it is sex positive. I do. And, that they will provide education to people who may -
-
PINSKY: And they offer childcare and play areas for minors.
SCHACHER: What?
MCDONALD: No, they do not.
SCHACHER: That is weird. If they offer childcare, leave your kids at home, please.
EIGLARSH: Stop it.
SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, I do not know. When I was reading the reports on this, apparently, they want to have a bunch of penis statues. I
do not need to see any more penises. I would rather go to Disneyland. And, there is enough sexual innuendoes at Disney, anyways.
PINSKY: Again, I found --
MCDONALD: Well, you do not want to get measles, though .
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: That is true.
MCDONALD: Here you might just get crabs, but there you could get measles.
PINSKY: I have found myself speechless more than a couple of times tonight. That is all I am saying. Mark, please help me take this home. I
got to understand it is sex positive. You are good for it. I understand, but --
MCDONALD: Good for it.
PINSKY: I am just saying. In the day of pornography, all this stuff raining down on us, we really need statue parks for this?
EIGLARSH: Yes.
PINSKY: OK. Yes.
EIGLARSH: If somehow people will go to it, it will help support jobs. And, it makes people tingly and in love. It is all good, my friend.
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PINSKY: Next, sex sent them to the slammer. See how passion put some people in prison. Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: It was the weirdest display of affection.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): Threatening her, I am yelling at her. Brandishing the pistol at her.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: As this Valentine`s Day role-play rolls on, Nick has no idea that Portland police now believed there is a
real kidnapping in progress.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (2): I decided to take her around to all the little roadside stands to buy her special Valentine`s Day gifts.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (3): Happy valentine is day.
UNIDENTIFEID FEMALE SPEAKER: I felt terrified that somebody was going to see me.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Sure enough, a witness calls in the crime.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (3): The eyewitnesses saw a naked lady in the back of the car bound.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: I was overwhelmed with the amount of adrenaline that was pumping through me. And, I was so taken by how sweet
and romantic this all was.
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PINSKY: Sweet indeed. We are talking sex in public, sex in private, forbidden sex. Some couples are getting caught having sex where they
certainly should not be. That is the premise of a new show called "Sex Sent Me To The Slammer." And, it has got us saying, "Seriously?" Take a
look.
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SIAN PIERRE REGIS, HLN CORRESPONDENT: What is happening, Dr. Drew?
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: You tell me.
REGIS: This is the most ridiculous show I have ever seen in my life. And, the fact that that woman thought anything was sexy about being dragged
around in the back of a car tied up, having somebody throw chocolate on her. I just do not even understand, like where do these people live?
PINSKY: I think it is a good YouTube video, maybe. Maybe -- Sian Pierre, no, maybe not?
(LAUGHING)
REGIS: Not on my channel.
PINSKY: Judy, I think people want to understand -- people that do not engage in these behaviors, why this high adrenaline surge is so enhancing
to her. In my experience, there two conditions where people need a lot of stimulation. One is a history of opiate addiction.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: I am not saying this is an opiate act. I do not know. And, two is history of trauma. Both things affect the brain`s arousal system.
HO: Absolutely. And, their arousal system is key here, Dr. Drew. So, in the idea about addiction, this is a type of addiction. What these
people do when they get sexually excited -- what we all do really is that the pleasure systems are stimulated, your motivation, your war systems are
stimulated.
And the more you do it, the more it kind of builds up that tolerance. You need more and more intense things to get the same kind of high in your
brain and to activate that dopamine that makes you feel so good.
PINSKY: And, again, that is activating the reward system and the medial forebrain bundle. My brain is not too good in showing that area,
but it is a part of the brain that sets the motivation for everything else. It is a part of the brain that says do that again. So, Vanessa, have you
ever had do that again out in public?
BARNETT: So, you are just going to go there.
PINSKY: What are we talking about?
BARNETT: I am all up for a little kink, a little fun, a little enjoyment. And, I do not agree with you. I do not think this is opiate.
I do not think this is a trauma. I think all people can relate to the fact that when it is a little bit dangerous or adventurous, it is a little more
exciting. Now, what I do not like is that they involved other people in the community and now I got to call the cops because you look like you are
being abducted. But, I applaud the effort.
PINSKY: But, Vanessa that is because it is not just a little bit more arousing, a little bit more naughty.
HO: Right.
PINSKY: It is because they are going to extremes.
BARNETT: Look, what they do in their bedroom is none of my business.
PINSKY: No. I am not judging. Judy.
(CROSSTALKS)
BARNETT: Now they have taken it outside of the room and now I am involved, which I do not want to be.
HO: Yes. Vanessa, I know that a little stimulation is good for everyone, but enough to go to jail? Is that what you are willing to put on
the line?
BARNETT: How long do I have to stay in jail?
(LAUGHING)
REGIS: I have never -- For me, sex has never been good enough to want to go to jail.
HO: Right.
REGIS: Maybe I am not having the right sex --
HO: Not even for an hour.
REGIS: -- but I am not trying to go to jail for it.
PINSKY: I think Vanessa is contemplating what might happen in jail.
BARNETT: I am just saying if I have to spend a few hours in jail, maybe it is worth it. A day I cannot do.
PINSKY: Sian Pierre, your opinion. Do you think all this pornography that is pouring down on young people these days contributes to this sort of
thing?
REGIS: Absolutely. I was thinking about this earlier. I mean there are only so many categories to go through on Pornhub. And, I think once
you have gone through all of them, then you try and figure out how to make it even more extreme. I mean some of these people are having sex jumping
out of a plane, Dr. Drew. Jumping out of a plane. Who has that fantasy? That is far beyond --
(CROSSTALKS)
PINSKY: At least --
HO: I am sorry. Go ahead.
PINSKY: Yes. I will tell you what, Sian Pierre. I want to introduce you to Vanessa Barnett, maybe you want to meet her. But, at least, in the
air, they are in the privacy of their own airspace. I am just saying.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: Let me -- I will put a stop. This is a re-enactment of a situation where they responded by people nearby. This is that same
television program. And, they thought this guy was raping her. And, those guys ended up going to jail.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): How can we top this experience? We are on this rooftop with all these hundreds of windows around us.
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UNIDENTIFEID FEMALE REPORTER: Witnesses in other buildings are horrified at the site of what they think is a woman being assaulted.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): I think something terrible was happening.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): We are on this rooftop. It is electric up there.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE: Police. Stand up. Stand up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: What is going on?
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REGIS: Those people who are having sex on the roof, they might as well go on to YouTube five minutes later and tag themselves in the video
that has been uploaded millions of times.
PINSKY: Well, Sian Pierre, I hear you adding another layer to this. It is not just the arousal about the sexual satisfaction. It is also the
fame seeking behavior. Right?
REGIS: It is absolute exhibitionism to me.
PINSKY: Erica? I get it Sian. What about that, Erica?
BARNETT: I do not agree.
AMERICA: No. I absolutely. I hear that too. There is absolutely that sex tape YouTube -- the YouTube stars. There is -- on my radio
station we were talking about there is these YouTube stars that have millions of fans, and they are normal people. They do not have talent. It
is crazy.
PINSKY: Sian Pierre, that is an attack on you. I hear it. She is attacking you.
(LAUGHING)
AMERICA: Oh, sorry.
BARNETT: Not everybody that has sex outsides want to be caught and wants to be Kim Kardashian and wants to be famous on Instagram. Not
everybody does it for that.
Some people do it because of their personal pleasure seeking levels and this is fun for them. And, not everybody that does it is trying to
show everybody. They just kind of want it to be a mysterious, maybe someone will see. Not everyone is looking to get into the slammer.
REGIS: But, Vanessa -- girl -- Vanessa when you go onto a rooftop and there are offices all around and you are getting down and dirty, trust me,
girl, all of these people want to get seen.
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PINSKY: And, there we are. Please DVR us then you can watch us anytime. Thanks for joining us. We will see you next time.
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