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Bobbi Kristina Brown In a Coma Now for 18 Days; "Fifty Shades Of Grey" Movie Causes Stampede This Weekend; Accused Killer Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield On Tape Confessing to Police
Aired February 17, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, Bobbi Kristina Brown in a coma now for 18 days and nights. Is Whitney Houston`s only child actually improving?
And, "Fifty Shades of Grey" the book was controversial. The movie, is it dangerous, when there was a stampede at a theatre this weekend. There it
is.
Let us get started there with our most tweeted story of the night. The man accused of murdering Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield is on tape
confessing to police. And, that is not all -- That is not in total. We are also getting a look at the bizarre behavior immediately after the
killings. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (voice-over): The detective asks, "Who did you shoot first?" And, Routh says, "The one I could clearly identify." He is
talking about Chris Kyle here. He is dressed in the same clothing he wore to the gun range when he shot and killed Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield.
When he is asked what happened, he says, "I keep talking to Chris. There is a few dozen Chrises in my world. And, it is like every time I talked
to another man name Chris or get sent to another name Chris, it was like talking to the wolf, you know? The ones in the sky or the ones that fly.
You know what I mean. The pigs."
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PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: How can somebody rambling like this --
KATE BALDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Right.
CALLAN: -- and saying such bizarre things be sane?
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ATTY. TIM MOORE, EDDIE RAY ROUTH DEFENSE ATTORNEY: He was in the grip of a psychosis.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (voice-over): You cannot just keep letting people eat your soul up for free, you know. It is not what it is about,
it is about having a soul that you have in you for yourself. And there are tons of people that are eating on my soul right now.
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ATTY. MOORE: He did not know what he was doing was wrong.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: You know what you did today was wrong? You understand that? Routh: Yes, sir.
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PINSKY: Joining us Anahita Sedaghatfar, attorney, Anahitalive.com, Karamo Brown, social worker and Evy Poumpouras, Security Expert and former special
agent secret service and on the phone CNN Correspondent Ed Lavandera who has been covering the trial. Ed, give us the latest.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Well, the prosecution rested its case today. So, defense attorneys have now began the process of
putting on their testimony and their witnesses as well. But, what we saw today, was -- Dr. Drew was more bizarre behavior.
We saw the videotape inside of the police car moments after Eddie Ray Routh was taken into custody. And, again, you hear him talking about he does
not know what is wrong with him. He does not know whether he is sane or insane and he felt schizophrenic and -- in that situation, which is more of
that regardless.
PINSKY: Ed. Ed, let me ask you.
LAVANDERA: Yes.
PINSKY: Do they offer any theories about what is going on with his mental state? Is this mania? Is it schizophrenia? Is it drug induced? Is
there any sort of hypothesis about that being presented?
LAVANDERA: Well, I think that is where we are going to start hearing a lot more of it over the course in the next couple of days. Now that the
defense attorneys are putting on their case and on their witness list, we are expecting to hear from the medical professional help that he was
receiving before the murders of Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield.
So, I think that will become a big part of what we begin to hear. His mother did testify today. She was one of the first witnesses that the
defense called and she did talk about at one point he was on nine different psychological medications.
PINSKY: OK. Thanks very much. Anahita, we see him, although he is clearly disorganized. I have to wonder if it is drug-induced because it
is such a bizarre disorganization. There is so much psychotic process here. It is not the usual kind of psychosis you would get, say, from a
mania but that is either here or there. You hear him say, he knew it was wrong.
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right.
PINSKY: Does it matter whether he is insane or not?
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I think it can go either way, Dr. Drew. If you look at the evidence in this case, on the one hand there is evidence to suggest
that he was insane at the time of the killing. OK?
Because he does talk about -- If you watch that interrogation tape, he is talking about pigs in the sky. He is saying that the victims were going
to kill him. They were trying to steal his soul. That shows he is not playing with a full deck.
But, then, on the other hand, there is evidence to suggest that he was not insane at the time because we know he fled the scene. We know that he led
the police on a high-speed chase and, you are right, on that tape he said, "I know what I did was wrong."
PINSKY: That is right. That is right.
SEDAGHATFAR: So, I really think it could go either way. But, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: Yes, Ma`am.
SEDAGHATFAR: -- the defense can argue, even if those jurors say, "Wait a minute. He admitted that he knew what he did was wrong." The defense is
going to say, "Well, that was at the time of the interrogation, not at the time of the crime." And, that is what matters when you are presenting a
legal insanity defense.
PINSKY: Evy, he may have been insane from the standpoint of somebody like me or Karamo; but, first of all, I know how you think, Evy. You think he
may have been sort of malingering the whole ling, making it up and pretending.
But, let us assume he is not pretending. I am not going to go where your head goes sometimes. Let us say, he actually was psychotic. Just
because you are psychotic does not mean you meet the legal definition of insane and inability to know right from wrong.
EVY POUMPOURAS, LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST/SECURITY EXPERT: Exactly. It is what capacity, what state his mind was functioning at the time of the
incident. Meaning, was there disease of the mind or mental defect to the point he cannot understand the difference between what is right and wrong.
That is the situation here.
But, they are going to need to bring in forensic experts. There is forensic psychologist that come in. They do an assessment and they look
at his condition. They say, one, is he malingering, as you might think that someone like myself would maybe assume, or is this a true disease of
the mind to the point where it affected him where he did not understand the difference between right and wrong.
But to point out what Anahita said, the thing that he is going against him is the fact that he fled the scene of the crime. So, if you do not know
if you are doing anything wrong, why would you flee the scene of the crime and then why would you lead police to a 6-mile, you know, chase?
PINSKY: That is right.
POUMPOURAS: High-speed chase.
PINSKY: That is right. And, why would you --
POUMPOURAS: Those are the issues at hand.
PINSKY: That is right. There seems to be, Karamo, even if he does not really understand, he is so disorganized what wrong is, there seems to be
an understanding that other people understand he did something wrong. Would not you agree?
KARAMO BROWN, SOCIAL WORKER: I do agree with you. I mean this man was deeply disturbed and everyone around him understood that there was
something going on with him. And, unfortunately, because of that, no one was able to get to him in time to prevent this from happening.
PINSKIY: Yes. Now, let us play devil is advocate again. That is as far as we can surmise. There is also some allegations about K-2 being smoked,
which can make somebody psychotic and disorganized like that and PCP, another thing that can cause severe disorganization. So, let me go back
to Anahita. If there is drug use and he is insane, does that go against him or does that even matter what rendered him insane?
SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I can tell you that voluntary intoxication, and that is a great question, is not a legal defense, Dr. Drew. So, if he smoked pot,
if he was drinking alcohol, he did this voluntarily, he cannot --
PINSKY: No. No. None of those things. I am talking about K-2, which is synthetic marijuana, which makes people nuts.
SEDAGHATFAR: It does not matter.
PINSKY: It is like bath salts --
SEDAGHATFAR: It does not matter.
PINSKY: I am just saying, though. OK. So, because he put the cigarette or whatever he smoked to his mouth, it is on him then.
SEDAGHATFAR: Exactly.
PINSKY: Now, as Ed mentioned after he was arrested, he is in the back of the patrol car and he says -- I want you to listen too. This is a re-
enactment.
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EDDIE RAY ROUTH, CHRIS KYLE AND CHAD LITTLEFIELD KILLER (audio re- enactment): I am just so nervous about what has been happening in my life today. I do not know what has been happening.
FLAVIO SALAZAR, LANCASTER POLICE OFFICER (audio re-enactment): Do not you worry about that right now, OK?
ROUTH (audio re-enactment): I have been so paranoid schizophrenic all day. I do not know what to even think of the world right now. I do not know if
I am insane or sane. I do not know what is even sane in the world right now.
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PINSKY: Now, Karamo, that kind of disorganization suggests somebody who does not know right from wrong.
BROWN: Yes, completely.
PINSKY: Yes.
BROWN: Everything that he just said there will lead me to believe that he did not know what was going on and that he has been in some type of therapy
and some type of training. And, he has been hearing these type of diagnosis over and over agai. And, so, he wants to believe it, but he
does not understand what is happening to him.
PINSKY: Yes. Maybe. Maybe. But, Evy, you are always the zenith. You say, no. You say, this is all him just creating a defense for
himself. Is that right?
POUMPOURAS: Look, it is quite possible. It seems very scripted, a lot of the things that he is saying. But, again, he did suffer from post-
traumatic stress disorder.
PINSKY: But, then, I am going to tell you something. Let me tell you what I think about that. Listen, for him to use PTSD as part of his
defense is offensive to people that have PTSD because they do not go kill people.
They might be disorganized to the point that they impulsively do something where they hurt somebody in a flashback but they are not like this. This
is something all together different and I am suspicious.
I am going to say something polemical here, that his PTSD diagnosis, people talk about people abusing that PTSD diagnosis. I think this guy may have
been abusing that diagnosis. And, I wonder if that is going to come up as well in this case.
Next up, we have more on Kyle is killer. We will tell you what he did and where he went after the shootings. And, later, why is the hash tag,
#fiftyshadesisabuse -- why is that trending and why did the just released film caused the stampede. You are looking at right there. Back after
this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: The interrogation video lasts nearly 90 minutes. Routh complains about the handcuffs being uncomfortable. He
has left alone and tries to put on a pair of glasses. He asked to speak with his mother. Asked for a cigarette and when he does not get one, pops
off, "Does not anyone smoke anymore?"
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PINSKY: Back with Anahita, Karamo and Evy. And, it is our most tweeted story of the night. We are talking about the man accused of murdering
Chris Kyle and his friend in a gun range.
Eddie Routh has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity and here is what Eddie Routh did immediately following those shootings. He drove to his
uncle is house, and to his sister is house and to taco bell and then to his parents` house.
And, all of this before running from the police in a high-speed chase. Evy, it seems like he is disorganized and does not know what he is doing
but understands he is in trouble.
POUMPOURAS: Yes. Well, you know, earlier on we were discussing about the influence of possibly drugs in his system and that can obviously have a
huge effect. And, again, if he took those drugs voluntarily, he is not off the hook for that because you made that choice to use those drugs and
if they affect your behavior then so be it, that it is on you.
SEDAGHATFAR: Right.
POUMPOURAS: Again, this is a disturbing incident, obviously. We spoke about PTSD and then those who really suffer and they do not react in such a
way.
PINSKY: Right.
POUMPOURAS: They do not use these types of disorders --
PINSKY: Right.
POUMPOURAS: -- to commit these crimes.
PINSKY: That is right. And, I think it is of somewhat offensive to people that have PTSD and there is --
POUMPOURAS: Absolutely.
PINSKY: -- Yes, and people have alleged that there is an overuse of that diagnosis and this guy, if he is insisting that is what he had or got
disability because of it is overusing it.
And, I read that he in fact really never saw combat. When he went to Haiti, he never even left the ship apparently but he claims that seeing
people dead after the earthquake is what got him. Anahita, is not all that going to come out in his trial?
SEDAGHATFAR: It is, Dr. Drew, but that is not his defense. He is not claiming PTSD is his defense. He is claiming he did not know the
deference between right from wrong at the time of the killing.
So, just to be clear to everybody, just because you are diagnosed with the mental illness does not mean you automatically are entitled to a not guilty
by a reason of insanity plea. You said, yourself, there are thousands of people with mental illness who says, "Don`t go and kill people.
PINSKY: No. Listen. The vast, vast, vast majority do not kill people.
SEDAGHATFAR: Right.
PINSKY: And even the ones that are psychotic kind of know right from wrong still, that is why they do not kill people.
SEDAGHATFAR: Right. That is true. So, I think it is kind of a misnomer to say that he is using the PTSD defense. That is not exactly what is
going on here. The defense needs to argue again. He was legally insane. He thought they were coming to kill him.
PINSKY: Right.
SEDAGHATFAR: He was talking about pigs in the sky. He did not know what he was wrong. He thought he was probably saving his own life.
PINSKY: I am going to tell you what, Karamo. That pigs in the sky thing, those kinds of bizarre psychotic qualities he has, makes me think about
drug-induced psychosis. I got to tell you.
I mean, usually, a schizophrenic is sort of focused in their paranoia. You know what I mean? There is sort of a consistency to the delusion even
when it is disorganized. This is wild.
BROWN: I agree with you.
PINSKY: Wild makes me think about the K-2.
BROWN: Yes, I agree with you a hundred percent, Dr. Drew. When I saw this and read the story and what he did after he did the killing, I mean
his behavior was erratic and there is a lot of conflict there. And, so it lets me know that there is some other factor that was playing into him, how
he was acting after killing two people.
I mean there had to be drugs involved in this. And, I think that the more that we dig, we are going to find out that he was induced with some type of
drugs or high or something and that was causing him to react this entire way.
PINSKY: Evy?
SEDAGHATFAR: Right.
POUMPOURAS: You know, Dr. Drew, the thing is, with a lot of the things he is saying, I know we are analyzing his language, but it just seems very
heavily scripted or choreographed or I feel like he is saying things that he needs to say to put off this image -- "I just, you know what? I got a
mental defect or disease of the mind."
PINSKY: I just love Evy. You are skeptical about anybody all the time even when people are sick and do not even know what the date and the time -
- you know, do not know who the president is, do not know what date is, do not who they are, and where they are. You are a skeptical and I
understand, that has been your background.
POUMPOURAS: It does not seem authentic.
PINSKY: Well, that is what makes me think about drugs --
POUMPOURAS: It does not seem authentic.
PINSKY: The kind of random bizarre quality -- I do not know how else to describe it, the randomness of it. Anahita, do you want to say something
here?
SEDAGHATFAR: I just want to say, it could be that he is kind of playing this is a role, but there are just too many statements that he made
throughout that lead me to believe he really is legally insane. That is just what I gathered from watching those tapes.
PINSKY: Yes. And, what I would think, that if somebody has chronic criminality, Evy, they would be going towards these sorts of defensive
malingering, you know, qualities where they are trying to build the case and acting as if. That is somebody who has -- really is diabolical,
frankly.
But, this is a guy, that is the guy that is clearly in my opinion, psychotic. The question is, does he know right from wrong? Does he know
what we, those of us watching his behavior, know right from wrong? I think he seems to understand that he did something wrong. The question
is, did he believe somebody was going to kill him and he was just defending himself?
The bizarre quality of what he is describing suggests what is called an encephalopathy and that is either something medical or drugs. And, I
think we are going to find out. There may be something like that going on here. In that case as we discussed here, it is on him.
Next up, sex emergencies spike after the film "Fifty Shades of Grey" opens big across the country. That is right.
And later, is Bobbi Kristina Brown getting better? 18 days in a coma. We got the latest, back after this.
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JAMIE DORNAN, AS CHRISTIAN GREY, IN THE FILM "FIFTY SHADES OF GREY": I do not do romance.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: And, the movie version of "Fifty Shades of Grey" hits screens across the country over the weekend.
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CHLOE MELAS, SENIOR ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER, HOLLYWOODLIFE.COM: So, I read all three books and so did every single woman in America. And, it really
was 80 percent sex and that is what women were hoping for and that is what they got.
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PINSKY: There are violent sex scenes against women. A man dominates this woman. She enjoys it.
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ROMANI DURVASULA, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Drew, I am not going to let you go there.
PINSKY: Go ahead.
DURVASULA: This is not a rape fantasy. These are two people who are agreeing to have sex with each other.
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JUDITH REGAN, SIRIUSXM RADIO HOST: There is no love in this book at all. This is about controlling a woman, who is innocent and taking her innocence
away from her.
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PINSKY: It is laughable. It was poorly written. I want that time -- I want my life back that I spent reading it, that whatever minutes that was,
I want refunded. I want that time back.
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PINSKY: I still feel that way, but it is time for the behavior bureau. Samantha Schacher from "Pop Trigger" on Hulu!, Emily Roberts,
Psychotherapist and Spirit also psychotherapist. "Fifty Shades of Grey" pulled in almost $87 million in the Box Office this weekend.
This film is based on a book, which chronicles this erotically charged relationship between a billionaire businessman, who flies a helicopter and
planes. He is a concert pianist. All by the age of 27. Any college student, virgin, story has its share of critics. Sam, you are not one of
them, though, is that right?
SCHACHER: No, I am not, Dr. Drew. I loved every bit of the trilogy for spicing up their sex lives, for putting them in the mood. And, you know
what? It started I read them all.
PINSKY: You did not?
SCHACHER: Yes, I did. Let us call it what it is, though, Dr. Drew. This is not the quintessential love story. It is not "The Notebook." It
is erotica. It is a fantasy. Millions of women out there have credited this trilogy for putting them in the mood.
And, you know what, it started out as fan fiction, twilight fan fiction. So, Edward and Bella are really Christian and Ana. That should put some
things in perspective too.
PINSKY: It does have that feeling of the vampire series, it really does. And, I am equally as mystified by all that. I must tell you. But,
Emily, in this case, you got a guy who was sexually abused as a child.
The perpetrator is his business partner now, which is incredibly pathological. He is a stalker. He enslaves this young woman. I cannot
even believe we use that language and that people get away -- an author gets away with that. I mean what do you say?
EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: No.
PINSKY: No? It is just the facts. It is just the facts, everybody.
ROBERTS: I have read all three. I agree with Sam. I will tell you one thing, though, it is a fantasy. Have you ever met a 27-year-old hot
billionaire who is a concert pianist? If so, give me his number because I have never met him. It is a fantasy. All of this stuff is not real, but
it does shed light on some serious issue. But, most people reading it were not trying to do a psych event about it. They are trying to, you
know, go on, here in really --
PINSKY: Emily -- Emily, wait. Hold on. Emily, Emily --
ROBERTS: I guess identify what is that. I think it is the way to explore.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Emily -- Emily. So, it was sexually arousing. That is what you are saying. Fine. And, Sam --
ROBERTS : I mean --
PINSKY: Hang on. Hang on. Sam --
ROBERTS: -- I would assume for some people it was.
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PINSKY: For some people. OK. Well, Sam it was, evidently.
SCHACHER: Oh, thanks Dr. Drew. And, I dig your gray tie. Is that like an innuendo here?
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PINSKY: It is an explicit innuendo. It is not even a subtle thing. But, Emily will not admit to it. So, fine. But, the facts are -- I do
not care. That is fine. But do not you think for young women that, that shrouding a narcissistic, stalking -- no, no, no, this is simply a fact --
and shrouding that in the veil of some sort of devotion and love is really problematic.
ROBERTS: I agree with you. I do agree. And, I think that if a guy walks into, you know, your office, your place of employment and follows you
and knows where you work, call the cops. That is really creepy. This guy was a narcissist.
And, at the same time, as you learn throughout the three books, there is a love story here but this is a fantasy. This is not a real story. If a
guy tracks you on his phone, if he tries to buy you or do kinky things to you and you do not like it, get the hell out. It is dangerous.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes. OK.
ROBERTS: But this is a book.
PINSKY: Hang on. And, Spirit, if somebody hands you a contract that says you are going to be my slave, call the cops. No -- Why is that -- why is
that polemic? It is just what is in the book.
SPIRIT CLANTON, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I am going to tell you, Dr. Drew, because the sad thing about this is that this movie shows us -- you know, no
offense, Sam. I love all of you, guys. But, this shows just how sexually deprived and repressed so many women are.
PINSKY: Oh, Sam, that is directed at you.
CLANTON: Let us just be real. Because if not -- but, let me tell you, you know how many of my female clients saw this movie, Dr. Dew? Zero.
And, I will tell you why. They would have been bored because I teach women that instead of living vicariously through Hollywood and all these
other fake fantasies, get off of autopilot and deal with your real sexuality.
SCHACHER: Oh, my God.
CLANTON: Let us deal with your real fantasy.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew.
CLANTON: Let me teach you how to bring your fantasies to life.
SCHACHER: This is bringing people is fantasies to life.
CLANTON: Because that is what this woman did.
SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh.
CLANTON: No, it is not.
SCHACHER: Yes, it is.
CLANTON: I am sitting for two hours watching somebody else pretend to do something that is not real?
SCHACHER: B.S. BS.
PINSKY: Hold on.
CLANTON: No.
SCHACHER: OK. I am not even talking about the books here. I am not even talking about the film. I have not even seen the film yet. I read
all three books and it does get women in the mood, which does lead into the bedroom --
CLANTON: It does not teach them anything.
SCHACHER: Hold on.
CLANTON: Sam, you come to Atlanta -- you come to Atlanta for three days, I will change your life --
SCHACHER: Yes. OK. First of all --
CLANTON: -- in ways that this movie will never be able to do.
PINSKY: OK. Hold on. Emily is coming -- Emily is coming to Atlanta.
ROBERTS: No. I am in. Spirit, let us go. Let us do it.
SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, listen. Let me just say this really quick.
PINSKY: Please.
SCHACHER: Because I do think that Christian Grey is monstrous in the first book. He is. But, guess what, in the second and third books he starts
to confront a lot of that trauma and he deserves love that changes him. So, let us not just --
CLANTON: That is not what this is about.
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PINSKY: OK. Hang on. Stop everybody. Everybody, all mics off, because this is -- what Sam just said is what concerns me the most. It is
this fantasy that you can take somebody who is a pathological narcissist and through love and devotion, change them into a wonderful, caring and
pathic human being.
CLANTON: Absolutely.
PINSKY: Spirit would have to work on this guy for about nine years to change him at all.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: I would not take a guy that would not enslave a woman. Would you? I would not do that. It is enslavement, guys. Now, listen, you
may love it, it may turn you on. God bless you. I hope it works for you. It is a tool. It is an instrument, I understand it and that is
fine.
But let us not kid ourselves about what this is advocating and what young - - speaking of young women, they are into this thing. Look at a surveillance video from a mall in Florida where 100 or more teenage
youngsters, female, rushed to the theater after they were denied tickets because of its R-rating. They simply bashed the door down and rushed in.
I do not quite know that they actually played the film after that. And, Sam, you know -- There it is. Look at this.
SCHACHER: A lot of young, let us say teenaged boys are sitting at home watching porn. This is like -- this is girl porn. It is. OK? And,
you are playing too much doctor, here, so as Spirit. You, guys, are reading too much into it. It is fantasy. That is all it is.
CLANTON: No.
SCHACHER: Stop thinking too much of it.
CLANTON: No. Not at all. No. It is not.
SCHACHER: Yes, you are. Yes, you are.
CLANTON: No, it is not. It is an example of women who are wanting a fantasy. We are wanting -- so many women are not living out their sexual
fantasies.
SCHACHER: But, that is not true. That is not true.
CLANTON: No. It is.
SCHACHER: That is not true --
CLANTON: And, that is why they are paying $50 for it.
SCHACHER: You are speaking to the choir, lady. You are speaking to the choir.
PINSKY: Wait. Hold on.
SCHACHER: Because I feel like that I have a --
CLANTON: I probably am --
SCHACHER: Hold on. No, you are not.
PINSKY: Slow down, ladies.
SCHACHER: Hold on, because --
PINSKY: Sam, why is this so intense to you?
SCHACHER: Because it bothers me that you, guys, are looking at something that --
PINSKY: I am not -- enjoy. Enjoy, my dear.
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: Get off on it. It is awesome. It is great. I am so happy for you.
SCHACHER: OK. But you guys are --
PINSKY: But, it does not change the fact about who this guy is. No?
SCHACHER: But, that is the point. It is a book. It is a story. It is made up.
CLANTON: It is so much more than that.
SCHACHER: It is Twilight fan fiction. It is Twilight fan fiction.
ROBERTS: Sam is right in that regard. It is made up. There is not a 27-year-old attractive billionaire out there that is going to lure someone
in. It is just does not going to happen. It is made up.
PINSKY: And, just so you know -- yes, and the guys -- can you throw the tweet up that I thought was so insightful about the guy -- There are guys
like Grey out there. What is his name?
SCHACHER: Christian Grey.
PINSKY: Christian Grey. But they do not have money and -- no, no, that was not it. Basically, you are going to find that guy in jail because --
no. Still not that. We will put it up there later.
Let me go out with this. I have a phone call from a mommy blogger who has grave concerns about what this means for her children and my children and
all -- you know, young people, what they are going to take from this.
It is something that -- it is so unrealistic that, you know, at least with Romeo and Juliet, they end up dead. So, that is a realistic story in what
happens with intensity and extreme emotions and extreme relationships, it goes bad. It does not end up happily ever after.
Next, Jessica Simpson is inspired by "Fifty Shades of Grey." I will show you the photographs. There they are.
And, later, Bobbi Kristina remains in a coma. Nick Gordon gets a tattoo. Why are those things related? We are back after this.
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JAMIE DORNAN, AS CHRISTIAN GREY: My tastes are very singular. You would not understand.
DAKOTA JOHNSON, AS ANA STEELE: Enlighten me, then.
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JOHNSON, AS ANA STEELE: Why are you trying to change me?
DORNAN, AS CHRISTIAN GREY: I am not.
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JOHNSON, AS CHRISTIAN GREY: It is you that is changing me.
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JOHNSON, AS ANA STEELE: I do not know if I can be with you the way you need me to.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Emily and Spirit. I have also got mommy blogger, Michelle Lewsen. She is on the phone. She will be with me in just a
second. You are watching the scenes there from "Fifty Shades of Grey."
It dominated the Box Office, so to speak, this weekend. And, with the success comes controversy, criticism. And, Sam, you know, you mentioned
that this is chick porn?
SCHACHER: Yes. But, it does not mean that you have a bad sex life like Spirit insinuated, which I find is insulting. Sorry.
PINSKY: Sam. Sam. Sam.
CLANTON: Sam, I am sorry.
PINSKY: You like it. That is great. That is good. That is good. But, here is my concern. You know, guy porn is not good for kids either.
This, I am concern is not good for young women.
SCHACHER: I think here and there is OK. I think here and there is OK.
PINSKY: I am just saying. That is my concern. So, what are you hearing out there in social media?
SCHACHER: OK. So, there is a hash tag that is trending, Dr. Drew. It s called #fiftyshadesisabuse. And, the theme is domestic violence. So,
for example, quote, "On Valentine is Day, we like to remind you that unwanted control, stalking, possession, threats and coercion are not love."
Now, some are speculating that the popularity of the Fifty Shades` franchise has led to even more sex emergencies here in the U.S. So,
critics point to a report by the consumer products safety commission that found that American Sex Toy emergencies spiked in 2012 and 2013, because
co-incidentally, the trilogy was released in 2011.
PINSKY: Maybe, that is a good thing. I do not know. At least, that is adults in the privacy on their own home.
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: It is not good if they are hurting themselves, obviously. But, I am worried about somebody consenting for enslavement. And, I am worried
about what this says to young women. Michelle Lewsen is on the phone. She has a concern -- similar concern.
She is a mommy blogger who posted an open letter to her children after having seen "Fifty Shades of Grey." Now, Michelle, do you sat in the
theater and you say you looked around at other women and you felt sick?
MICHELLE LEWSEN, MOMMY BLOGGER (via phone): Yes. Hi, Dr. Drew. I just feel a little sick because I grew up watching movies with boy meets girl,
they fall in love and as we all did. And, this movie is modeling this bizarre illusion, that a young girl is going to meet some narcissistic,
really handsome, super rich guy who is going to be all broken and abused when he was young and so he got all of these issues.
And, she is just going to have to deal with it and put herself through things that she is uncomfortable doing. She will consent to it because
she is manipulated into it. And, she is under this delusion that if she loves him enough, she will fix him. And, this movie --
PINSKY: And that, Michelle is a very dangerous message to young women, would not you agree? -- young women.
LEWSEN: It is an extremely dangerous message because that is delusion is what has landed many, many millions of women in women is shelters.
PINSKY: Yes. Sam --
SCHACHER: Yes. I agree with that.
PINSKY: That is my concern.
SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: OK. Stop there. Stop there. Emily, you nodded your head too? Emily, you nodded your head, "yes"?
ROBERTS: I agree. I agree. That is a fantasy. That is not reality.
PINSKY: OK. OK. And, Spirit, I know you are on my team with this one. Right?
CLANTON: Yes. But, let --
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew --
CLANTON: Can I just -- let me make this point, please. Because, I think it is so important. That is the subliminal message that most women are
not going to get and the reason why they are going to see this movie is for the fantasy that every women wants to feel like this, Dr. Drew.
Every woman wants to feel so passionate and have someone be that passionate about them. This is a recreation of a woman is fantasy. And, so, when I
say to Sam, it is not necessarily about not having a great sex life. It is about catering to the fantasy that every woman wants to feel and we need
to teach women that this could be reality in a healthy way.
PINSKY: Yes. There is a healthy version of this. Sam?
SCHACHER: I totally agree. I totally agree. Dr. Drew, again, there are so many movies and books out there you could say that have really messed up
or deviant plots. Again, this is make-believe. It is fiction. It is fan fiction.
Also, to the woman on the phone, I really actually agreed with everything that you said in your blog. However, I do not think you that applies to
this -- first of all you only saw the movie, right? You never actually read the trilogy, so you do not know what happens in the second and third
book.
PINSKY: Listen --
SCHACHER: It changes, Dr. Drew. It does change.
PINSKY: Yes. But, that is the point. That is the most unrealistic part, Sam. That is what you are not getting.
SCHACHER: OK. But, we are not doctoring. It does not matter. According to the book, according to the book, he changes, Dr. Drew. And,
it is consensual.
PINSKY: That is what pathological -- that does not happen in real life.
SCHACHER: It is consensual.
ROBERTS: It does not happen in real life.
PINSKY: That never happens. It takes an Emily or a Spirit, even if --
SCHACHER: He sees a therapist, Dr. Drew. You do not like what? So, what about the fact that he see as therapist? Have you even read the
second and third books?
PINSKY: I have read them, and I do not remember there being much about this therapy.
SCHACHER: There is.
PINSKY: It was all about her changing him. And, that is what is deeply disturbing about this. And, Emily, you are nodding your head. I have
not heard from you yet.
ROBERTS: Well, it is just like we are not going to expect, you know, in the fantasy of Twilight. There is no Bella. There is no love story
there. This is not real life. If a man tries you to get you to change, you cannot change with things you are uncomfortable with. And, you can,
but it is going to leave you in an uncomfortable position. This movie was hot. It was girl porn.
PINSKY: Wait. Emily. Emily. Whoa! It did turn you on. Before you would not admit that it did.
ROBERTS: OK. Yes. Fine. Sam, I am with you. Sam, I am with you.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: OK. Emily. It is OK.
ROBERTS: And, I read all three books.
PINSKY: You read all the books.
ROBERTS: It was a cold winter.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: All right. We are going to have to leave it there. We just are. I want to switch -- I am going to switch gears. We are going to
leave "Fifty Shades of Grey." If you, guys, enjoy it, please have at it. Enjoy it. That is great. But, just think about what the reality of this
is and if your kids pick it up, what the message is they are getting.
That is all I am saying. You know, he is an exploitative stalking, abusive trauma surviving bounderless enslaving dude. You can have the big
fantasy with somebody who is healthy. You can do that. This is not that guy.
Next, we will look at Nick Gordon is new tattoo. What does that mean? Of course, we are on Instagram. Check our behind the scenes photo. We
post new ones every day at Instagram/drdrewhln. We are back after this.
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PINSKY: Bobbi Kristina Brown in a coma. We now know some information of what even had happened days before.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: What about the details surrounding Bobbi Kristina crashing her car in Atlanta just four days before this latest
incident?
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PINSKY: Audio of a 911 call from a week before Bobbi Kristina was found in that tub.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SECURITY: I just had a neighbor called in and reported that there were people hitting each other and swinging.
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ROCSI DIAZ, HLN HOSY OF "THE DAILY SHARES": What would you tell the public when it comes to -- when celebrities have to deal with a real-life crisis
or real-life situation?
JENNIFER HUDSON, SINGER: It is real. It is real. It is life just the same as for us, but it is harder because we are scrutinized for it. You
know what I mean? And, it is looked at as if it is television, no. It is reality.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Spirit and Karamo. Bobbi Kristina Brown has been in a coma for 18 days after having been found face down in a tub full of
water. Her family refuses to give up hope. Sunny Hostin, CNN Legal Analyst, is on the phone with us. Sunny, CNN or in fact, I believe you,
on behalf of Cnn, has been in touch with the Brown family. What have you learned?
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: What I have learned is that, certainly, Bobbi Kristina is still in this medically-induced coma. The family has
indicated that they are seeing some improvement. She is being monitored 24 hours a day.
PINSKY: Sunny, I am so sorry to be combative. What does that mean, improvement? What can we say here, because 18 days in a coma, believe me,
there are people walking around that ICU going, "What are we going to do with this family?" Because 18 days in a coma becomes a tragedy.
It just is. I do not care if it is medical. I do not care what the reason is. She is in a coma for 18 days, that is a profound situation and
the probability of meaningful recovery is so -- I would say, almost zero it is so remote. What do they mean when they say improvement?
HOSTIN: You know, all I can tell you, Dr. Drew, is what I am being told. And, I am told that they are seeing some improvement. They believe that
the prayers are working. She is being monitored for brain function and they are hopeful that she will recover.
She is going to be tested again in a few days to assess what the brain function is. And all I can say is that at this point the family is
hopeful. Are they being specific in terms of what these improvements are? No, they are not. But, I am being told that they are seeing improvements.
PINSKY: OK. So, improvements mean that this is somebody who is going to eventually move out of the ICU. It does not mean that somebody who is
going to walk out of the hospital.
Spirit, my concern is -- I promise you, there are people and there is ethics committees, there is people walking around that hospital wringing
their hands wondering how do we get people to understand -- people meaning a family -- to understand what they are contending with here.
At ten days, I said enough is enough. We are 18 days in and they are really, let us face it, no change. When you have a person that you are
having to assess their brain function, no, they are not brain dead, but I am telling you, I would not ever want to recover given what is likely to be
on the other side of this.
CLANTON: Yes. You know, Dr. Drew, there is just so much about this case that does not make sense. And, it is clear to me, if nothing more, that
the family just wants everyone to stay out. They have not given any information --
PINSKY: Well, that is fine. That is fine.
CLANTON: But, like you said 18 days --
PINSKY: But, 18 days in the ICU is getting ridiculous.
SCHACHER: Really?
PINSKY: It is getting ridiculous.
CLANTON: Yes.
SCHACHER: But --
PINSKY: Sam, I am telling you --
SCHACHER: I do not agree, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Sam. Sam --
SCHACHER: But, if you have a -- OK. I am not a doctor. Hold on. But if she brain function. She is not brain dead.
PINSKY: Correct.
SCHACHER: She is young.
PINSKY: Correct.
SCHACHER: Why would you take that hope away from her family when she is not brain dead?
PINSKY: I am not taking -- well, because there is a gigantic range from brain death to contracted and unable to communicate with the outside world
to being able to swallow and breathe on their own. There is a whole range in there.
Personally, I will have directives where I make it explicit. I do not want any of that. Now, Karamo, as a social worker, I am going to call you
in for a consult. 18 days in a coma. What do we do here?
There is no directives to physicians. There is an ethics committee gathering together to try to help this family contend with the horrible
reality that they are dealing with. What do you do as a social worker?
BROWN: We have to have a real conversation with the family about the quality of life that this young lady would have. And, it addresses what
you said, Dr. Drew. I mean 18 days in a coma, what she would be doing, if she was to make it out of this, which I do hope and I understand the
family, you know, their hopes for her to recover.
But, when she comes out of this, the quality of life that she is going to have, the things that she is going to need, I do not think that is a
quality of life that any person deserves. And, I think that the family is right now being selfish in keeping her alive and not facing and tackling
those tough decisions.
PINSKY: Listen. Samantha --
SCHACHER: If it was three months, Dr. Drew, I would agree with you. But, 18 days, to me. We are talking about days.
PINSKY: Why do you -- I do not know what experience you have in ICU, Sam.
SCHACHER: I have experience in an ICU.
PINSKY: No. No. No. After 10 days --
SCHACHER: Not like you. No. But --
PINSKY: After ten days, people are going, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? --
SCHACHER: OK. Well, it would be hard for me to let go, let us say, of my husband, in just 18 days.
PINSKY: Of course, that is why somebody should be helping you. Spirit, somebody should be helping. This is a horrible, horrible tragedy.
CLANTON: Yes. It is hard because what happens is the individual, the loved one believes that they are making the decision whether or not this
person lives or dies but they cannot rationalize that the person may already be gone.
It is the machines that are doing the work and if she is kept on too much longer, they are going to have to start thinking about maybe that her
organs shut down and her body may do what the family cannot.
PINSKY: But, listen, I want to put something in my directive to physicians. After 18 days, I do not care what is going on, take me off.
That is the probability. That is how probable it is that it is just going to be disastrous at the other side of this.
SCHACHER: Yes, but she is young, though, Dr. Drew. Are not there cases, though, after a couple of months? I am not talking about brain dead. I
am not talking about brain dead.
PINSKY: Not like this. Not somebody on a breathing. listen, I am not either. Breathing machine, unable to be brought out of a medical a coma
because of seizuring, that is profound.
So, believe me, there are people in that ICU, professionals that are mortified that this is dragging on the way it is. That is a lot of what
goes on in ICU is which is people going, "How do we get people to understand that this is not going to go well."
Because, you see somebody there with a heartbeat and is breathing, even though they are breathing with assisted support of a breathing machine.
It is a tracheotomy. It is a feeding tube. It is contraction. It is skin breaking down. It is things most people do not ever get exposed to.
It is not for me. Not for me, not for my family.
Next up, a lot of turmoil in her life in the days leading up to the tragedy. We will try to parse that out a little bit. Back after this.
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BILL LLOYD, SURGEON AND PATHOLOGY: We are talking about Bobbi Kristina.
PINSKY: Yes.
LLOYD: We need to know if she is brain dead or not.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Krissy is doing well right now.
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PINSKY: We know that she has to be kept alive on a breathing machine.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: I certainly have been heartbroken that the Houston family has to endure such pain again.
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PINSKY: Awful. Back with Sam, Spirit and Karamo. We are trying to get to the bottom with what has been going on with Bobbi Kristina Brown`s
prognosis. How she ended up in that tub. Sam, and there is this new tattoo with Nick Gordon. What is the story with this guy?
SCHACHER: OK. So, he posted on his Facebook page for all to see. It is Bobbi Kristina`s name. It takes up most of his forearm. He got it done on
Valentine`s day at a tattoo shop in Roswell, Georgia, called "Rolling Stone Tattoo."
PINSKY: And, they still will not let him come around. He still declares his undying love for her.
SCHACHER: And, that is what is telling, Dr. Drew. Listen. I would love to believe more than anything else that he loves her and that he should be
by her side but for the family to be adamant about not allowing him to be there to distrust him.
And, then also I learned that Bobbi Kristina`s aunt had recently filed a restraining order against him because he was sending threatening text
messages, pictures with guns, and they obviously know more than we do.
PINSKY: Yes. I really wonder what has been going on. And, I wonder if that car accident she had a few days before this tragedy, if there was any
information there, if there was ever going to be any legal action from that?
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: Will there be substances involved? I mean, there was a lot of stuff going on. There was the domestic dispute you mentioned there, Sam,
as well.
SCHACHER: Chaos.
PINSKY: Yes, chaos in her life and this is what happens with chaos. Karamo, the other thing I am trying to get people understand is that people
have judgment about what they are seeing here. We are not talking about brain death. We are talking about somebody that cannot leave the ICU, that
cannot breathe on her own, that cannot swallow on her own.
Now, I understand some of this is medically induced but the reason she is on the medication, she has uncontrolled brain swelling and seizuring when
they try to bring her off, which is diffused severe brain damage. If she wakes up, she is not going to be Bobbi Kristina. People do not understand
that.
BROWN: She is not at all. And, no one is having that hard conversation or from what I feel from hearing everyone in the family saying that she is
well, she is improving. Using these vague words. No one is having the conversation with her that this Bobbi Kristina that they knew would be no
longer and that quality of life that they want for this young woman. That is the conversation they need to be having.
PINSKY: That is right. Spirit, and that is the part -- because they have never seen these things, they do not even understand really what we are
talking about. But somebody has to help the family come to terms with the fact that this is a desperate situation.
CLANTON: Or maybe they are trying.
PINSKY: Maybe they are. Maybe they are.
CLANTON: Maybe they are trying. And we just do not know. And, sometimes when people are faithful and not -- you -- it is just so complicated. It
is so complicated and trying to get someone to hear what it is that you are trying to teach at the end of the day, they say that God will have the
final say and how can you argue?
PINSKY: Well, what they do is gather something together called an ethics committee. They bring together professionals to try to figure out what the
most ethical and appropriate ways to get a family to make a decision on behalf of the patient, not on behalf of themselves trying to avoid the
grief and misery and the tragedy of what they are dealing with.
SCHACHER: I understand that. I cannot imagine being in Bobby Brown`s shoes, Dr. Drew, especially all of the loss that he has already had with
Whitney. But would you give percentages? Would you say something like, "OK, if she were to come out of a coma, she will have a 2 percent" --
PINSKY: I think it is going to be approaching zero that you would see Bobbi Kristina be Bobbi Kristina ever again.
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: Approaching zero. You can DVR us, watch us any time. Of course, up next, is "Jack Vale: Offline" and it begins immediately following this
program.
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