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The Hunt with John Walsh
Jacob Wetterling Abducted, Missing Since October 22, 1989
Aired February 22, 2015 - 22:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
JOHN WALSH, CNN HOST OF "THE HUNT": Back in 1981, I had the American dream, the beautiful wife, the house in the suburbs, and a beautiful 6-year-old son. And, one day I went to work, kissed my son good-bye, and never saw him again. In two weeks, I became the parent of a murdered child and I will always be the parent of a murdered child.
I still have the heartache. I still have the rage. I waited years for justice. I know what it is like to be there waiting for some answers, and over those years, I learned how to do one thing really well. And, that is how to catch these bastards and bring them back to justice. I have become a man hunter. I am out there looking for bad guys.
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PATTY WETTERLING, JACOB'S MOTHER: What was going on in this region? What was going on? And, it was so deeply, intensely harmful to boys? I honestly do not want a 25th anniversary. I want answers. I want to know what happened.
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JOHN WALSH, CNN HOST OF "THE HUNT": I know this case, as well as I know my own son's case. I walked in those shoes. This crime was so horrific in nature, and it is gone on for 25 years, and there are new tools to help solve this case. What is killing the Wetterlings and what they need to know is what happened to Jacob. The not knowing is what kills you.
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Jacob Wetterling abducted. Missing since October 22, 1989.
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JERRY WETTERLING, JACOB'S FATHER: On the day of October 22nd, it was a pretty chilly but not too chilly October morning. We got up, and Jacob and I went fishing. And, I came back for noon kickoff for the Vikings' game. It was kind of a family tradition of watching Vikings football. PATTY WETTERLING: I love kids and, you know, being a stay-at-
home mom, it was our place where everyone would gather.
JERRY WETTERLING: Patty and I have four children. Our oldest daughter is Amy and Jacob was next, and Trevor and Carmen.
PATTY WETTERLING: Jacob was our first born son.
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PATTY WETTERLING: OK.
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JACOB WETTERLING, MISSING SON OF PATTY AND JERY WETTERLING: My name is Jacob Erwin Wetterling. My favorite food is steak. My favorite color is blue. My best friend is Aaron Larson. My favorite thing to do most is watch football. What I want to be when I grow up is a football player.
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JERRY WETTERLING: Any way, after the game, Jake and Trevor and I, we played a little football game out in the driveway.
PATTY WETTERLING: Jerry would throw a pass in those two. One would try an intercept, and the other one would try to catch the pass. And, always, it ended up in tears. They are very competitive. They took this game seriously.
JERRY WETTERLING: It was a fabulous day, and I will always cherish that day.
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WALSH: I think one of the tough things for Americans to grasp is that a predator can be anywhere. A crime can happen to anyone at any time.
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JERRY WETTERLING: A little after 5:30 or 6:00, Patty and I went to a dinner party at some friends about 20 to 25 minutes away.
PATTY WETTERLING: We were not going to be gone very long, and they were just going to stay home.
JERRY WETTERLING: Our oldest daughter Amy was at a sleepover that night, and Jacob's best friend Aaron was going to be coming over, because the kids did not have school the next day.
PATTY WETTERLING: When we got there, we called to give the kid's the phone number.
JERRY WETTERLING: This was, of course, days before cell phones, so it was just a home phone number. We were in the middle of dinner at this party, and Trevor calls. Trevor asked Patty if he and Jacob and Aaron could ride their bikes down to the local convenience store and rent a movie.
PATTY WETTERLING: There is nothing between us and the store. It is farm field mostly and a few houses. But, it was starting to get dark, and I said, "No! You know, find something to do. You got plenty to do." And, Trevor said let me talk to dad.
JERRY WETTERLING: And, my thinking is, this is safe country, that my only concern is on this one fairly strong stretch of road is for car traffic. In my mind, it covered those bases with flashlight. And, I said "OK, but go down there and get it and come straight home."
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JERRY WETTERLING: It must have been about 45 minutes, give or take. And, the phone rang and they called for me to come and take this call. It was our next door neighbor, Meryl, who called and said, "Jerry, you have to leave that party right now and come home."
PATTY WETERRLING: He came back to the table and said, "We got to go." And, I said, "What? Are not those kids back yet?" And, he said -- "Somebody took Jacob." I grabbed my purse and we left. We did not say anything to the people, our host or anything. We just left. And, it was the longest ride in the world.
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JERRY WETTERLING: Jacob needs to come home. I want to find Jacob.
PATTY WETTERLING: They had witnessed something awful.
ROBERT LOWERY, JR., VICE PRESIDENT OF NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING & EXPLOITED CHILDREN: When it comes to missing children, time is the enemy. Seconds count. Hours count. If that child is going to be killed, it is going to happen within the first few hours.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE OPERATOR: 911 emergency.
MERLIN JERZAK, WETTERLING FAMILY NEIGHBOR: Yes, this is Merlin Jerzak. I am calling from St. Joe, out in the township. I am right now next door at my neighbor's, the Jerry Wetterling family. And, some of their boys went to pick up a movie, and on their way back. someone stopped them and one of the boys did not come back with them.
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JERRY WETTERLING: It was the longest 25 minutes I have ever spent in my life, just -- it was terrible. We got to the house and the police were here.
PATTY WETTERLING: Trevor was just agitated, absolutely agitated. And, I remember Aaron, Aaron was like hiding in the corner, biting his nails. He just wanted to disappear. They had witnessed something awful.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE OPERATOR: Trevor?
TREVOR WETTERLING, JACOB'S YOUNGER BROTHER: Yes?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE OPERATOR: You are talking to the sheriff's office, OK? I want you to give me anything you can recall about this male party that approached you guys, OK?
TREVOR WETTERLING: Well, he was -- he was like a man, sort of big.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE OPERATOR: OK.
TREVOR WETTERLING: He had like a -- it looks sort of like a nylon thing of a mask.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE OPERATOR: Do you know what Color it was?
TREVOR WETTERLING: Black, I think.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE OPERATOR: A black mask?
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JERRY WETTERLING: This guy wearing a mask came out and you could see his hand gun. This guy told them to get off their bikes and lay down in the ditch or else he would shoot. He asked one by one what their age was.
After that, he had Trevor and Aaron, one by one, run off into the nearby woods. And, told them not to look back or else he would shoot. As Aaron was taking off, he saw the man grab Jacob's arm.
PATTY WETTERLING: When he caught up to Trevor and they felt safe enough to turn around and look back, they were gone. They were just gone. The police asked the boys, are you sure you were not playing with a gun and Jacob just got hurt and you are afraid to tell us what really happened? Which is a legitimate question, but they were absolutely clear, "No, there was this man with a gun."
JOHN SANNER, STEARNS COUNTY SHERIFF: So, we start to search the area, the immediate area of the abduction and start to fan out from there. Everybody thought that within a few hours, we would get it taken care of.
ROBERT LOWERY, JR., VICE PRESIDENT OF NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING & EXPLOITED CHILDREN: When it comes to missing children, time is the enemy. Seconds count. Hours count. If that child is going to be killed, it is going to happen within the first few hours.
JERRY WETTERLING: We had never went to bed that night. We were up all night. It was just crazy.
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WALSH: There are so many parallels in the Wetterling case to our case of Adam. And, I will never forget that night when darkness fell and we started to search for Adam. I will never forget that realization and that loneliness. I know exactly what the Wetterlings are going through.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Wetterling was abducted at gunpoint last night while riding his bike with two other boys.
JERRY WETTERLING: Certainly, nothing has happened that we are not aware that has happened at school with Jacob. I am not aware of having any enemies.
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PATTY WETTERLING: I am like staring in la-la land. I know I was in shock. I could not say anything. And, Jerry was doing the best that he could to stand and be strong and be the spokesperson.
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PATTY WETTERLING: Nobody knows what to do. This does not happen here. You hear that all the time. We live here because it is peaceful and quiet.
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LOWERY: Child abduction is the most difficult investigation law enforcement will confront in their careers. And, it is probably one of the most dreaded, as well, because of the intense pressure, the lack of information, often times, and all you are hooking for is a child. So, it is a needle in a haystack.
JERRY WETTERLING: From the outset, we were getting a great response from law enforcement. I think for the first ten days or so, law enforcement were manned here 24 hours on the phone.
PATTY WETTERLING: At one point, they had like 40,000 leads. It was too many, and so they had to triage. Every cupboard was covered with post-it notes and phone numbers and table and the countertop were filled.
JERRY WETTERLING: There were at any one time 40, 50 people in our house. I would sometimes have to just take off and go for a walk by myself for a while, just to kind of clear my head.
PATTY WETTERLING: We decided after the Christmas holidays that it was time for everybody to go back to school and work. And, so they all did, which left me home screaming, tearing my hair out. You know, it is like, "What else? What do we need to do? What is going on?" And, I had nowhere to go.
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WALSH: In the beginning, there is this initial surge. The media is fascinating. People try to help you. Strangers you never met try to help in some way. Police are really on top of the case. But, then that reality sets in, that if your child is missing for a certain period of time, a couple weeks, sometimes a month, now your child drops from being the hottest case, the top of the news, to just another poster of a missing child.
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PATTY WETTERLING: We just kept making noise, so he would not be forgotten.
SHERIFF SANNER: We are going to stay committed to getting this resolved. We owe that to the Wetterling family.
JOY BAKER, FREELANCE WRITER: What happened here? You know, how does a kid just disappear?
JARED SCHEIERL, ABDUCTED NINE MONTHS BEFORE JACOB: I felt like I was Jacob's strongest hope.
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PATTY WETTERLING: The shift between watching all of these resources coming in to watching them one by one go away was really painful. The worst was the silence, and so -- I do not do well with silence. We make something happen. We just kept making noise, so we would not be forgotten.
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PATTY WETTERLING: It is not fair. It is a time to heal and pull together. You are Jacob's hope. We continued to get the leads and the phone calls, and our belief is that we are going to find Jacob and maybe this will be the year.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Patty Wetterling has made sure that her son Jacob has not forgotten. She has become the advocate for the missing since he vanished within 20 years ago.
PATTY WETTERLING: Thank you. I am fighting for the world. I am fighting for Jacob.
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WALSH: Here is the harsh reality. When your case gets cold, the only person that can keep that case warm or keep it in the public eye is a loved one, a parent. And, they have tried to do that and Patty has never stopped trying to keep Jacob's face out there.
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PATTY WETTERLING: I think at some point the sheriff's department feels like we do not need to know all and they might protect us by not telling us stuff, and that is a little frustrating for me.
SHERIFF SANNER: We are constantly looking at this case, hoping in some way to resolve it. We are not going to put it in a drawer. We are not going to forget about it. We are going to stay committed to get thing resolved. We owe that to the Wetterling family and the community to get an answer to them.
PATTY WETTERLING: I am sure that the sheriff's department is tired of my questions.
SHERIFF SANNER: It is an active and open investigation, and I cannot talk specifically about the evidence that we have or do not have. I wish I could, but the last thing I want to do is do something to contaminate a potential prosecution down the road, and I am very careful to protect the case that way.
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this case. It is an ongoing investigation. The only problem with this case is it never got solved. It is gone on for 25 years. There are new tools to help solve this case.
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JOY BAKER, FREELANCE WRITER: I am Joy Baker, and I am a freelance writer. In 2010, I was looking for something new to write about, and a story came on the news about the Jacob Wetterling case. And, I thought, what happened here? You know, how does a kid just disappear from here? The first time I met Patty, I was actually at a work function, and she ended up being the keynote speaker for the event and I gave her my card.
PATTY WETTERLING: I called her, and it is like, I feel like I am being stalked. You are calling everybody that I know and asking questions. And, she said, "I am sorry. I just get curious." And, she would go ask another person.
And, I finally got used to that. It is like, I understand her intentions are to find Jacob. And, she got the benefit of not being law enforcement. So, people will talk to her differently, and she keeps uncovering things.
BAKER: I spent a lot of time at the library and online, and going through old newspaper articles. And, I figured out early on that I really wanted to talk to this guy named Jared.
Jared was a kid who had been abducted nine months before Jacob. And, that happened in cold spring. That is literally just down the road. And, we got together and he told me his story. And, that is kind of how this whole process just really took off and kept going.
JARED SCHEIERL, ABDUCTED NINE MONTHS BEFORE JACOB: It was six days before my 13th birthday. Three blocks from my house, a car had approached me from the opposite direction. He stopped the vehicle.
So, I began giving directions. And, as I was doing so, I kind of walked towards the car. He got out of the vehicle and he grabbed me by the shoulders. And, he told me to get in the car. He got a gun and he is not afraid to use it.
LOWERY: Jared was accosted. He was grabbed. He was pulled into that car. He was driven a couple of miles away and he was assaulted. And then let go.
SCHEIERL: He told me to run, do not look back or he would shoot.
BAKER: And, it was almost the exact word for word statement that Trevor and Aaron, the boys who were with Jacob, had made.
SCHEIERL: So, I was abducted on January 13, 1989. Jacob's abduction was October 22, 1989. They were desperate for answers, and I was at the time, you know, Jacob's strongest hope. You know, the low raspy voice description, the physical built, demeanor, the way he spoke, it seemed to match.
BAKER: If it is the same guy that also took Jacob, he is the one person that actually saw him without a mask.
SCHEIERL: After Jacob had disappeared, the case intensified. It was a lot more interviews with a lot of FBI and A lot more people I was not familiar with. They took me to a point where I was just mentally, physically broke down, and I had nothing else to provide.
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WALSH: I give Jared all the credit in the world. His parents moved out of town to get the help they needed to get this kid back on track. He has come forward and said, I think it is the same guy. I want to do everything I can to help Jacob. I hope some other people realize how brave Jared really is.
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BAKER: I spoke with Jared, and that is when I happened upon this article from May 1987 about these five attacks on young boys in Paynesville. And, those attacks sounded so similar to his case and to Jacob's case. I asked him have you ever heard of these before? And, he is like, "No, I never heard of that before." And, I said, "Well, listen to this. You know, the guy said same thing, do not turn around or I will blow your head off." And, we both just went, "Wow! That seems significant."
SCHEIERL: I felt like it was the biggest lead generated in 25 years.
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BAKER: What happened here is scary. I mean, terrifying.
LOWERY: Someone in that tight-knit community may well have the keys to what happened.
BAKER: We need to go back.
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BAKER: So, this is downtown Paynesville, and this is where the series of attacks took place on these young teenage boys. Between March 9, 1986 and the summer of 1989, there were 11 separate incidents. Paynesville is a great town, great people. But what happened here between 1986 and 1989 is scary and astounding. LOWERY: Not 20 miles from where Jacob was taken, not 20 miles
from where Jared was taken, it was a cluster of reports of abductions and molestations of boys.
BAKER: March 9, 1986, that is the first reported incident. A 12-year-old boy just talking down the street, and a guy in a blue car came up and asked him if he wanted a ride, and he said, "No." And, the guy said, "Do you want to go to Toyland? And, the kid said, "No." And, the guy drove off. That is the first reported incident.
November 30, 1986, in this alley, the kid was talking with a friend of his and the guy had come up from behind him and pulled him into the trees and assaulted him; brazen, I mean, terrifying. Right here, you can see this building. This kid had just walked his friend home and when he walked in that door, there was a guy standing on the stairs waiting for him, and he was wearing a mask.
It was Valentine's Day, 1987. Spring, 1987; May 17, 1987. Summer 1987. September 1987. Summer of 1989. All in this town. All within walking distance of each other. All these incidents in Paynesville obviously are clustered together, and then there is Jared, who lives just 10 miles up the road in cold spring. And, from there, you just hang a left straight into St. Joseph. How many psychopathic pedophiles can exist within a 15 to 20-mile radius?
PATTY WETTERLING: What was going on in this region, across Stearns County? What was going on and it was so deeply and intensely harmful to boys?
LOWERY: Someone in that tight-knit community may well have the keys to what happened, but they have not been asked.
BAKER: There were no incidents that happened in 1988, and we think that is for a reason. We think that the guy that was committing these crimes was probably put away himself at that time. And, we have a guy in mind that that is the case.
And, he was looked at early in Jacob Wetterling's abduction. In 1990, he was arrested and convicted of sexually assaulting four boys. And, what we are trying to do now is connect him to both Jared's case and to St. Joseph.
SHERIFF SANNER: The difference between what a blogger can do and what we do, the blogger can speculate. But in order to get to prove it, we have to add fact.
PATTY WETTERLING: We need to go back. You know, was it the same guy on all of them? We do not know. It is not just going back to the beginning and looking at it the same way you looked at it in 1989 or 1990. It is going back to the beginning and looking at it through what we know now. What we know now is more than what we knew then.
SHERIFF SANNER: A lot of those individuals had been talked to back in 1989, to relook at them is never a bad thing.
BAKER: We are really encouraging people to come forward and share, because we are really trying to piece this together. If the right people come forward, I think we can get this figured out. I really do.
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WALSH: I think it is so important for the Wetterlings to know at least something about what happened to Jacob. And, there are those stones that have not been turned over.
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PATTY WETTERLING: I think they ran straight back towards those trees, and then when they looked back and did not see Jacob coming, they thought everybody was coming. And, when they did not see him, then they cut over and we just live straight kitty corner from here.
We cannot leave our house without driving pass here. It took me a long time. I mean, I would come here and say a little prayer every time I walked by. I talked to Jacob, but it was -- that is been a really hard thing.
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PATTY WETTERLING: I want to know who took Jacob. I want to know what happened.
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WALSH: According to witnesses to Jacob Wetterling's kidnapping, the perpetrator was of average height and weight and had a deep, raspy voice. He may have been involved in similar attacks in central Minnesota. So, if you have any information relating to this crime, please call 1-866-THE-HUNT or go online at cnn.com/thehunt. You can remain anonymous. We will pass your tip onto the proper authorities, and if requested, will not reveal your name.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: There is always that case that haunts you; that wakes you up at 3:00 in the morning that really shakes you out of bed. There is not a minute or a day that does not go by that you do not think about it.
MELISSA GRIMA, FORMER REPORTER, COOS COUNTY DEMOCRATS: I think she really believed that Mary was being abused. No one was listening to her.
WAYNE RIOUX, FORMER WHITEFIELD POLICE CHIEF: Genevieve Kelley, she provided us with a tape.
GRIMA: Every person who saw it uses the word "disturbing."
WALSH: It was a game changer.
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WAYNE RIOUX, FORMER WHITEFIELD POLICE CHIEF: Whitefield is a very small town. It is in what is called the north country of the White Mountains. And, it is just a beautiful area here with the mountains and the lakes and the streams. You will have your minimal burglaries. You will have drunk drivers, you will have accidents; but, for the most part, it is a small town. Everybody knows everybody.
PHIL KLEIN, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR FOR MARK NUNES: You have basically two very, very intelligent people that met.
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WALSH: Mark Nunes and Genevieve San Martin met while they were doctors in the air force. And in 1996, Genevieve gave birth to a beautiful little girl, Mary.
GRIMA: Our kids went to school together. I would run in to her, see her, took her strap off, ski school. You know, she would have her daughter with her. You could see that the relationship was not good from the beginning. There was plenty of acrimony.
KLEIN: Unfortunately, divorce proceedings began. A little while later, Mark re-established himself in Virginia. However, he would always come up to New Hampshire and have visitation with Mary.
GRIMA: The situation between the two parents was that there was no direct communication. It really is beyond what any reasonable normal person would expect.
KLEIN: They could not even pick up the phone and say, "Hello. We are going to be at Burger King. Come meet us at Burger King."
GRIMA: They were sending a notebook back and forth with notes as their only means of communication, so that they would not argue. These two people who at once care enough to Mary each other could not stand to open their mouths to each other without venom.
KLEIN: Accusations were beginning to amp up.
GRIMA: So, Gen accuses Mark of abusing Mary during a visit in Littleton. County sheriffs investigate. Find no basis. No evidence to support the allegation. And, the county attorney in Grafton County declines to prosecute. I think she really believed that that was the case, that Mary was being abused. No one was listening to her, and she believed it would continue. KLEIN: Genevieve began to take Mary quietly behind the scenes to
doctors. Doctors would say, I do not think that happened. Why are you saying that happened?
GRIMA: And, she decided to make a tape that somehow illustrated that Mary had been victimized. And, that was when things really got bad.
RIOUX: The assistant county attorney, Laura Saffo, from Grafton County provided us with a tape that Genevieve Kelley had produced at the house involving Mary, dropped it off at the office here. So, I sat down and watched the tape. I was looking for any evidence of wrongdoing by Mark Nunes, who was the father.
But throughout the tape, all I saw was this bizarre, strange conduct by the mother, who was absolutely brain-washing the daughter and trying to get the daughter to say things against her daddy. And, at no time during the taping did Mary have anything negative to say about her father. We have analyzed everything. And, it does not lead to Mark Nunes having done anything wrong.
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WALSH: The general public will never see this tape. A child is involved. It is an ongoing investigation. But anybody who did see this tape in law enforcement, it was a game-changer.
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RIOUX: Some of the troubling things that occurred in the tape with Mary, it really brought my attention to what I believe the problem was in the Kelley household.
GRIMA: This tape was like the breaking point with everybody. You just start to then think that maybe she is misguided, but maybe she is also now becoming paranoid.
RIOUX: Mark then started to talk to us about Genevieve Kelley. He thought that Genevieve was going to leave the state. We are a small police department. So, we all took turns driving the street, checking to see if there was traffic there. Seeing if there were any lights on. Knocking on the door, talking to the neighbors. And, then we eventually found a day where the house was no longer occupied by Mary and Genevieve. And, we realized they were gone.
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WALSH: Every year, on average, about 200,000 abductions happen by family members.
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KLEIN: She found out that nobody believed her. She grabbed the child and she ran.
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RIOUX: Mark came into town. He went to court like he was supposed to do because he was still trying to get custody of his daughter. He was trying to get her into evaluations. But Mary and Genevieve were gone. We eventually found that they were in Colorado. She had brought her daughter out to Colorado to see another psychiatrist.
KLEIN: And, the child protective group in New Hampshire was ready to give Mark full custody.
RIOUX: And, then we found that Genevieve had not come to court. By the time school started from the two-week break there, they were no longer in the school and they disappeared together.
KLEIN: Once she found out nobody believed her. She grabbed the child and she ran.
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WALSH: Every year on average about 200,000 abductions happen by family members. The real problem is that many times the accuser has convinced friends and family that the child is being hurt.
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GRIMA: You know, once the posters started going up around town you go, what is that about. And, someone who knew her would say, "Oh, her ex, there was a problem. She needed to keep the little girl away." The courts were not cooperating.
KLEIN: We knew Mary was getting to the teenage age. In today's modern technology, kids got phones. Kids got Facebook. Kids have Twitter. And, we wanted to talk to Mary. We wanted Mary to see that, "Hey, there is a life over here and it may not be what you were told." So, we established an Internet site.
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MARK NUNES, MARY'S FATHER: Mary, it is your father, Mark. And your sister Madeline.
MADELINE NUNES: Hi.
MARK NUNES: And, your brother, Gabe. And, the dog you never met, Harry.
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KLEIN: So, then we established a special phone line.
MARK NUNES: I love you very, very much. You know how to get ahold of us.
KLEIN: And, we began to get phone calls with "Hello" and then a hang-up. Most of the calls were coming from the San Paulo, Brazil, area. We were able to send a foreign country asset in to check. And, sure enough she had been there. We missed her by two weeks.
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WALSH: I always say to the kidnapping parent, some day your child is going to be an adult. Someday that child is going to find out the truth. And, someday that child will say you used me as a pawn. You ruined half of my life by keeping me from seeing my other parent.
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GRIMA: Mark did not get to prove that he did not do what he was being accused of. He was deprived of contact with his daughter. It has been ten years. She probably does not remember him.
KLEIN: Before Mark passes in his life, I pray to God they get that opportunity to look Mary in the eyes and tell Mary he loves her.
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The only way to solve this is to give Mary the common decency and a chance to re-establish a relationship with her father. In February 2014 , Mary Nunes turned 18. In March 2014 through her attorney, Genevieve Kelley and former New Hampshire prosecutor that she wanted to negotiate her surrender. As of this airing, she remains at large.
