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College Student Arrested for Gagging, Binding and Beating a Woman, Blames Movie "Fifty Shades Of Grey"; Bobbi Kristina Brown - Fight Over Her Future; New Information About Nick Gordon`s Home Security Tapes; Life In Prison for Eddie Ray Routh

Aired February 25, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST OF "DR. DREW ON CALL" PROGRAM: Tonight, a Christian Grey copycat. He is arrested for gagging, binding and beating a

woman. He blames the movie "Fifty Shades of Grey." Plus, Bobbi Kristina Brown, the fight over her, her future. And, now, new information about

Nick Gordon`s home security tapes.

Let us get started with the most tweeted story of the night. It is life in prison for Eddie Ray Routh. Guilty of having murdered the real

"American Sniper," Chris Kyle and his friend, Chad Littlefield. The judge now has released audio and video from the trial. It is emotional and it is

raw. Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: We the jury find the defendant, Eddie Ray Routh, guilty.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Guilty of killing former Navy S.E.A.L., Chris Kyle, and his friend, Chad Littlefield.

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TAYA KYLE, CHRIS KYLE`S WIFE: We just said we loved each other and gave each othe a kiss and a hug like we always did.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Jurors rejecting defense arguments that Routh diagnosed with PTSD was legally insane.

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EDDIE RAY ROUTH, MAN WHO KILLED CHRIS KYLE AND CHAD LITTLEFIELD: I have been so paranoid schizophrenic all day. I do not know what to even

think of the world right now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This is Eddie Ray Routh confessing to the murders.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE INVESTIGATOR: Do you know what you did today is wrong? Right? You understand that?

ROUTH: Yes, sir. The ones in the sky and the ones that fly. You know what I mean? The pigs. They can truly say they are pigs.

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JENNIFER WEED, EDDIE RAY ROUTH`S GIRLFRIEND: When we got towards the front door, he grabbed one of the swords and said, "No, we are not going

anywhere," and proceeded to insist that "People are out to get us and we needed to stay in the apartment."

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LAURA BLEVINS, EDDIE RAY ROUTH`S SISTER: He said he killed two guys. I asked him who? He said, "I do not know." Yes, he said that he took

their souls before they could take his.

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PINSKY: Joining us Anahita Sedaghatfar from Anahitalive.com, Jessie Jane Duff, Gunnery Sergeant U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.) and Senior Fellow at

the London Center for Police Research and Leeann Tweeden, host of L.A. Today on AM570 Radio.

Jessie, if you can hear me -- OK, I am going to ask Anahita. Do you think they made the right decision today, the jury?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think they got it right, Dr. Drew. But, initially, I said on your show, I thought it could have I kind

of gone either way. Because I think there was certainly evidence to suggest that he knew what he did was wrong. We just saw that on the

interrogation tape. But, I also thought there was some evidence to suggest he was delusional, that he was legally insane.

PINSKY: He was delusional, but he did take lots of drugs. That is what a lot of the testimony included, lots of drugs, refused to stop long

enough even for doctors to make a provisional diagnosis.

LEEANN TWEEDEN, HOST OF L.A. TODAY ON AM570 RADIO: Right.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

PINSKY: He would only clear up when he was in the hospital, refused to follow up and go back to using. Is not that a problem, Anahita?

SEDAGHATFAR: That is a problem. And, some of the jurors explained that when they spoke out today. And, they said, "Look, we think he was

faking his PTSD. We think he was possibly even faking this insanity," like in the police car and in the interrogation tape.

PINSKY: Well, I do not know about the insanity. People are reserving the possibility that was some sort of malingering. But, Jessie, my thing

is, there was definitely manipulation around PTSD. This is not PTSD. And, he is still going to get money in prison for PTSD.

JESSIE JANE DUFF, GUNNERY SERGEANT U.S. MARINE CORPS (RET.): Well, they can relinquish that and give it to the victims for all I care. First

of all, most veterans out there are disgusted. Most marines are horrified that this man even has that title.

Because, when we are on active duty, we understand that drug use and going on to a rifle range to shoot is inappropriate. This man knew right

from wrong simply because he had served in the United States Marine Corps.

So, the fact that he had been diagnose and ignored what his doctors were telling him, I appreciate that the jurors held him accountable.

Because marines and all soldiers, sailors and airmen know that you do not take shots of whiskey, snort a joint and then go play around on a riffle,

particularly if you are in a shooting range --

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PINSKY: I do not know about -- if he snorted a joint. I am very interested in that. But, be that as it may --

DUFF: I am sorry. Smoked a join.

PINSKY: I am also impressed at how astute the jurors were and how they were able to connect the dots, because it was complicated. We have

talked about this case for a while in this show. And, the degree of psychosis was extraordinary, suggesting drugs and alcohol played a role

there.

The fact that his mother was pleading for them to keep him in the hospital. They were able to see that, that was because that was the only

place he was not doing drugs and alcohol. And, then he would not follow up once he was outside. And, they held him accountable for that. Less than

an hour ago, two of those jurors spoke to Anderson Cooper. Take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE JUROR: You might think in the back of your mind, maybe he was crazy. The dude was definitely not right. I mean, there was

-- he definitely was an unhinged person. But, at the same time, every time he got in trouble for something, which was violent behavior, and got

arrested -- the police were called, he was taken.

He claimed PTSD and said, "I am a veteran." And, they took him to the V.A. instead of taking him to a police and arresting him. And, every

time he went to the V.A., he would tested positive for drugs and alcohol. And, so, they could not specify what was causing his psychosis. And, they

told him over and over again, "Until we can diagnose you, you have to get off the drugs and alcohol."

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PINSKY: Leeann, that is an extraordinary juror. That is a subtle interpretation that I think is absolutely accurate. Your husband is active

in the military.

TWEEDEN: Yes.

PINSKY: Is he reacting to the case?

TWEEDEN: Yes. You know, I think we were actually both surprised being in Texas that the death penalty -- I knew the prosecution took it off

the table before the trial started. I think maybe they thought that they could get a guilty with life in prison with no parole.

PINSKY: They got it. They got it.

TWEEDEN: They did. But, I think they probably could have gotten the death penalty for it as well.

PINSKY: I think you are right. I think you are right.

TWEEDEN: But, I think they just did not want to risk that. I think the jurors, you know, to speak to them, you know, we are all regular people

when we sit on a jury. And, you know, people are smart. People are not stupid. And, they can understand and sift through and they can feel it.

PINSKY: They took it so seriously --

TWEDEN: And, they understand when people are lying and she thought he was manipulating --

PINSKY: Well, she left the possibility if that was the case.

TWEEDEN: Sure.

PINSKY: Anahita, are not you impressed how seriously they took their job and they really listened carefully and weighed the evidence in a way

that was sort of -- they took it to the next level in terms of understanding what was being presented to them.

SEDAGHATFAR: Absolutely. And like I always say on your show, I think jurors get it right. They take their jobs very seriously, Dr. Drew. And,

now, we see from these jurors that have come and spoken out, they really did their job the way they were supposed to do it.

Now, just something Leeann mentioned. I think one of the reasons the prosecution did not seek death in this case is because even though -- even

if a juror does convict someone, it is difficult to get people to put someone to death if they believe that he is mentally ill. So, I think that

was one of the reasons they did not seek the death penalty.

PINSKY: And, although there is so many -- I am going to get more as we tell the story tonight. But, there is so many aspects of this case that

are heinous. Let us call it what it is.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

PINSKY: There is still a component of mental illness here. And, Jessie, I think Anahita may be on to something. I mean the fact is you

could -- somebody could easily take the defense position and go, "Geez, the guy is so psychotic. He is so out of his mind."

And, so he did drugs but did that infect his insight? Did not have time to get drugged. Maybe there was not adequate drug treatment available

to him. I mean there are ways to sort of mitigate what happened to this guys where you might not give him the death penalty.

DUFF: Well, the death penalty, I think was taken off the table simply because you got a veteran. And, I think that the nation would be just

appalled that anybody even who had PTSD, although that was not the reason for these crimes -- would offend people. And, I can appreciate that.

However, for the same reason, he manipulated people continuously. At some point when you have been diagnosed with a problem, you have to take

responsibility for your problem.

TWEEDEN: Thank you.

DUFF: And, he did not want do that. It was quite obvious even when he was arrested and he was -- I think I am having -- what was it? Paranoid

schizophrenic attack.

PINSKY: I get you. No, Jessie, I get you. He is building a case there in the back of the police car. But, you could -- it is possible that

he was so oust his mind that he really did not know what was going on.

Now, I am going to tell you. His drug and alcohol use was the direct line to why he was in that condition. There is no doubt in my mind. And,

he was the one not accepting treatment, not following up. And, that is on him. That to me is the damning part of this.

The fact is, you can go, "Oh, maybe he did not have adequate resources. He did not understand. He had locked inside. Maybe the

family" -- who knows what these extenuating circumstances are. That Once again, the jails become the mental health resource of last resort, which is

sort of disturbing to me. But, the jury got this right. He belongs there.

Next up, you are going to hear from Chris Kyle`s brother and what he thinks of this verdict. And, later, how "Fifty Shades of Grey" landed a

college student in jail. I will get into that after this.

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LUKE GRIMES, AS MARC LEE, IN THE FILM "AMERICAN SNIPER": You got some sort of savior complex?

BRADLEY COOPER, AS CHRIS KYLE, IN THE FILM "AMERICAN SNIPER": No. I just want to get the bad guys, but if I cannot see them, I cannot shoot

them.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Was he a good marksman?

TAYA KYLE: Yes, he was. He was good every in everything.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Was he so good at his job that he actually became recognized for his skill as a sniper?

TAYA KYLE: He did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Did that lead to the book that he wrote?

TAYA KYLE: It did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: And, how many -- how many confirmed kills was he credited with?

TAYA KYLE: I know that sometimes the numbers will vary from what the Navy wants to say. And, I think it was between -- I think it was 160 for

the book or 155.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: And, when they say confirmed kills, what does that mean?

TAYA KYLE: A confirmed kill is when you are -- do an over watch, you take the shot and there is another witness to it. And, they confirm the

death and then they write up the paperwork for it afterwards.

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PINSKY: Back with Anahita, Jessie, and Leeann. We are talking about Eddie Ray Routh. A jury today rejected -- or actually, yesterday they

rejected his insanity defense. Found him guilty of having murdered Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield. Anahita, Routh never took the stand in his own

defense. Two questions, was that a mistake, number one? And, B. Is there any possibility of an appeal here?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I do not think he should have taken the stand, Dr. Drew. I do not think that would have done good in this case. I do not

think there is going to be any sympathy factor, but certainly there is going to be an appeal. And, I can tell you, one of the biggest appellate

issues in my opinion is the fact that the judge refused to continue the trial.

Because, the defense is going to argue, "Our client was on trial for capital murder at the same time that this movie was number one in the

United States. There is tons of publicity. It is all over the media." And, remember, Dr. Drew, the jury was not sequestered.

PINSKY: And, only two --

TWEEDEN: But there were only two juries who saw the movie.

PINSKY: That is right.

TWEEDEN: Well, that is a different issue.

PINSKY: And, they say they were not affected by it at all.

SEDAGHATFAR: That is a different issue. Those jurors were vetted. And, they said that we could put aside anything we saw in the movie.

PINSKY: OK.

TWEEDEN: And, you believed them.

SEDAGHATFAR: If I was a defense attorney, I would not want them. But, there is a ton of publicity surrounding the movie.

PINSKY: All right, I want to show you something else. Routh`s mother took the stand and revealed a great deal about Raouth`s drinking and drug

using. It is problematic. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Had your son smoked marijuana to your knowledge?

JODI ROUTH, MOTHER OF EDDIE RAY ROUTH: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Had you smoked marijuana with your son?

JODI ROUTH: Yes, I did.

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UNIDENIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: The doctors and the other counselors at the V.A. had told him to stop smoking marijuana.

JODI ROUTH: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: You knew that, that was advised that he should stop that?

JODI ROUTH: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Also, he was advised to stop drinking ?

JODI ROUTH: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: So, let us talk about the drinking. Now, how long had he been drinking alcohol?

JODI ROUTH: Probably since 17.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Have you seen him drink excessively before?

JODI ROUTH: Yes.

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PINSKY: Jessie, this was a defense witness. And, it is damning what she is saying. I will tell you, there was a moment there where you could

be sympathetic to Routh thinking, "Oh, my God! He drank and smoked pot with his mom when he was 17?" I mean there was something for the defense

to use there, but they did not. It seemed like the prosecution took it apart.

DUFF: Well, it is unfortunate. You know, the prayers -- I have my prayers with his mothers and the mothers of the victims, because they have

all lost their sons. Her son was gone a long time ago. She was not much of a positive influence.

PINSKY: Jessie, I am sorry. I got a problem with this, because that mom was the one sitting there saying, "Yes, I smoked pot with him when he

was 17."

DUFF: Exactly.

PINSKY: That is the attitude she took.

DUFF: Exactly.

PINSKY: And, that I blame parents for some of this.

TWEEDEN: Thank you.

DUFF: Absolutely. I do.

PINSKY: And, by the way, maybe the parent who was in the denial about this kid`s mental illness.

DUFF: I am not suggesting -- I am not suggesting she is not accountable. She should be held accountable for the damage she caused to

her son. She lost her son. That is what my point is.

PINSKY: OK. I got it.

DUFF: Because of her behaviors of teaching him that drug use was OK at such a young age. How he ever got into the Marine Corps is beyond me,

because I will tell you right now.

The battery of tests that we all have to go through to get into the military is so high that one, less than 1 percent of this country deserves.

Two, I was a recruiter. And, the bulk of the United States cannot even get into the military.

PINSKY: That is interesting.

DUFF: You have to be medically fit. You have to have drug test. And, the fact that he had a drug habit is surprises me that he was allowed

to even get in --

PINSKY: Well, guess what? Aha! I know how he got through. He used K-2 and spice instead of his usual drugs. That is how people get through

the drug screen process.

TWEEDEN: Yes. There was also a time, Dr. Drew, that they did lower the standards to get into the military when they did need extra guys in

Iraq and Afghanistan. So, there was a time period that they did let in people, that probably should not have been let in. Let us face it.

PINSKY: I want to show you, guys, something else. In an interview with "The New Yorker" last year, Routh tries to explain -- there is

something called where people with paranoia and certain kinds of mental illness, who also have a character problem.

And, then this is what I want to make the case here. There is evidence that this guy hurt animals and things in his younger years. And,

that is why you know he is likely to have a conduct problem and maybe be a sociopath interpersonal slight.

If we talked about road rage on this show, you know when somebody does something minor and people take extreme offense to it? It is called

an interpersonal slight. Let us see if there is any evidence of that in this tape.

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EDDIE RAY ROUTH: MAN WHO KILLED CHRIS KYLE AND CHAD LITTLEFIELD: OK. So, we are shooting pistols here, huh? Hmmm, OK. Again, that is pretty

much saying duel (EXPLETIVE WORD) you know.

What sparked it was I kept looking at Littlefield, and I was like, "What the (EXPLETIVE WORD) are you even doing here man?" I asked him a

couple of times, I go, "Hey are you going to shoot? You are going to shoot? You are going to shoot? You are going to shoot?"

And, he never, he is like, "No, I am good." What are you doing here? This is not a spectator sport, it is a shooting sport. You shoot. And

that is what got me all, you know, wired up. I was like this (EXPLETIVE WORD) all he has done is watching.

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PINSKY: Leeann, that is who we are talking about here. That was a year after the shooting. And, he was still affected by the slight of what?

That the guy did not shoot his gun and maybe looked at him a little a stance for attacking him? That is a disgusting person.

TWEEDEN: Right. That is obviously somebody that did not have any self-control, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: No. This is more than that.

TWEEDEN: Well, yes, of course.

PINSKY: No. No. This is somebody who thinks everyone is after --

TWEEDEN: We know that there is something wrong with the guy.

PINSKY: He is perfect and everything is wrong with the world is everybody else.

TWEEDEN: Right.

PINSKY: And, he has a right to take offense to it and to take action because the guy looked at me. It is like road rage with a gun in his hand.

It is craziness.

TWEEDEN: Exactly. Dr. Drew, all I want to say about this case with Eddie Ray Routh, he is a grown ass man. You know what, you are right when

we talked about that before. He chose to do drugs and alcohol.

He had multiple chances in the V.A. Hospitals and other places that he was put into an institution to get help. And, then when he went out, he

is like -- we talk about people who are bipolar, Dr. Drew. You say they have to stay on top of their medicine.

PINSKY: Yes.

TWEEDEN: It is their responsibility. It is their family`s responsibility, people around them to help them get help and stay better.

PINSKY: Thank you.

TWEEDEN: He did not do that. He has to pay the consequences.

PINSKY: If you do not do that, it is on you.

TWEEDEN: Right.

PINSKY: And, I feel bad saying that, but that is the way it goes. I want to show you the brother. He was -- Chad Littlefield`s brother was on

"Today" show this morning. Hear what he had to say about Routh. Take a look.

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JERRY RICHARDSON, CHAD LITTLEFIELD`S BROTHER-IN-LAW: It was all an act. I taught him in high school. And, that is new out there. Everybody

that knows me remembers that I worked with him. He was -- That is just the way he was. He never grew up. He was still just opposite defiant. He had

nothing wrong in the mind, except for the drug use.

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PINSKY: Anahita, there it is.

SEDAGHATFAR: There it is.

PINSKY: There it is oppositional defiant.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes.

PINSKY: That is the thing I am saying he likely had, that is the torture the animals, that is the not caring about other people, that is the

interpersonal slight. And, I am telling you, counselor, if there is an appeal, all that stuff is going to be emphasized, next time. It is not

going to be pretty.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right. I agree with you. But, the big takeaway or one of the biggest takeaways I think we can get from this verdict, Dr. Drew is

that, in our legal system, there is a big, big difference between being mentally ill, which clearly he was, and being legally insane.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes. That is for sure. And, let me use a bigger umbrella that people like using that I am going to adopt for today. Evil.

If you really do not care about other people and you think you are right in all circumstance and you have a right to act out on people in brutal ways

just because they slight you, I am going to call that evil.

You may also be mentally ill. You may also be doing drugs and alcohol. You may lack insight. You may be more likely to be violent

because of all those things. But, you did not take treatment. And, in that circumstance, that moment, that is about as evil as you can get. I am

just saying.

Next, a college student pretending to be Christian Grey, another evil dude, frankly, may have taken -- not the guy I am talking about, but

Christian Grey himself. This kid may have taken a sexual encounter too far because of Christian Grey.

And, later, Nick Gordon versus police. They want video from his security cameras. Will they get it? Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: "Fifty Shades Of Grey" reportedly played a role in landing this University of Illinois student behind bars

charged with sexual assault. The 19-year-old freshman, Mohammad Hossain, told police he and the fellow student were re-enacting a scene from the

popular bondage film.

But prosecutors say he went too far, tying up, beating and then sexually assaulting the woman as she begged him to stop. Hossain`s

attorney argues the encounter was consensual.

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PINSKY: It is time for our "Seriously?" Those moments went wrong and we cannot believe what we are seeing and hearing, especially if something

tragic happens. Joining us Anahita Sedaghatfar, Sam Schacher from "Pop Trigger" on Hulu! and Vanessa Barnett, hiphollywood.com.

According to prosecutors, the 19-year-old student and his alleged victim had, quote, "Previously been intimate, but we are not dating." He

has been charged with sexual assault. He remains behind bars.

And get this, half a million dollar bond. Sam, it reportedly happened in his dorm room. I know you are such a fan of "Fifty Shades of

Grey." Tell me how delightful this whole was.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU!: So, this is what began, Dr. Drew. He allegedly asked this co-wedged to remove her clothes.

She reportedly took off everything but her bra and underwear. Police say he then tied her hands and legs and bound her to a bed with a belt.

PINSKY: No. Sam, stop. Was at that point she objecting or was this something that she was consenting to as far as we know?

SCHACHER: We still do not -- we still do not know her entire story, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: All right. OK.

SCHACHER: But, of course, if she gave her consent in the beginning, it does not mean that she does not have the right throughout the entire --

PINSKY: It gets crazy. I get it. So, what happens?

SCHACHER: She can say no at any point in time?

PINSKY: What happens?

SCHACHER: OK. So, then he stuffed the necktie in her mouth , covered her eyes with a knit cap. He allegedly began beating her with a belt then

using his fist. She reportedly begged him to stop, but he began sexually assaulting her instead. She was able to escape when the alleged

perpetrator`s roommate came home.

PINSKY: Wow.

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Wow!

PINSKY: And, according to detectives, the alleged perpetrator, Mohammad Hossain, admitted assaulting the woman and stating, quote, -- No.

He is admitting to, quote, "Doing something wrong."

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

PINSKY: Vanessa, is it possible that "Fifty Shades of Grey" informed this guy? Pornography informs men. They may not understand what they are

doing. I mean this is --

BARNETT: Look --

PINSKY: -- this is hyperbole to suggest this, but is it possible this film -- it contributed to a guy thinking this is what a woman wants --

BARNETT: No. If you are going to be influenced by "Fifty Shades of Grey," go out and be a billionaire and be irresistibly handsome. Do not go

around beating chicks when they say, "No." Everyone knows when you are down to do some freaky stuff, you have a safe word. They needed a safe

word.

PINSKY: In this case it was, "I am begging you to stop." She begged him to stop.

BARNETT: Exactly.

PINSKY: Is not that enough a word?

BARNETT: And, so when you do not have a safe word, things do get crazy. But, she was crying, she was screaming, she was -- she got her

hands free and then he held her down and forced himself on her. And, at any point this man was smart enough to know that that was way too far.

PINSKY: And, then the attorney, Anahita -- your colleague --

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

PINSKY: -- told the judge that this encounter -- this alleged encounter with this alleged couple was consensual.

SEDAGHATFAR: Of course that is what they are going to say. Yes.

PINSKY: Of course. And then they highlighted what a lovely young man this was, including his achievements. He is a student ambassador for the

Alumni Association. He is a member of the triathlon team. Is any of that going to matter when they really start hearing the facts here?

SEDAGHATFAR: It is going to matter. Let me first say, I do think this was influenced by "Fifty Shades of Grey" and I predict --

SCHACHER: Oh!

SEDAGHATFAR: -- and I predict that this is going to be the first of many other cases we will see. But, yes, the defense is going to say,

"Look, your honor. They had consensual sex --

PINSKY: Anahita. Anahita.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes.

PINSKY: Are you seeing stuff like that? I know you defend a lot of women.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right. Right.

PINSKY: Are you preparing for that or you actually seeing this?

SEDAGHATFAR: I have seen it not necessarily relating to "Fifty Shades of Grey" as a defense, but yes, of course. I believe these types of

movies, Dr. Drew -- when movies like this are out --

PINSKY: We are prone -- we are prone -- hang on, Anahita. Sam, we are prone to blame porn for crazy behavior that people get it.

SCHACHER: Oh my gosh!

PINSKY: No, we do. We go, "Well, he does not understand. He saw it on porn." Why not -- people do say things like that.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes, Sam.

SCHACHER: OK. So, if we are going to blame this book for his criminal behavior, then you better blame slender man --

PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Hold on. Hold on.

SCHACHER: -- Hold on. You better blame slender man for stabbing those two teen girls when they were really psychos. You better blame the

bible or instead of these religious fanatics. It is just a slippery slope.

PINSKY: Oh, slippery slope. Jump on in here.

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SCHACHER: What is the alternative, though? What is the alternative?

PINSKY: Sam, when did you go to law school? I do not understand.

SEDAGHATFAR: She went to my law school.

PINSKY: I never heard of not lawyer talking about slippery slope.

SEDAGHATFAR: She went to my law school, Dr. Drew. But, I am not suggesting that this movie caused him to do what he did, per se. But, what

I am saying is, we cannot be surprised when we have movies that are glorifying what I think is sexual abuse, violence toward women and then we

find that people are going to mimic that.

PINSKY: That and -- hold on. And, what Sam just said, she said, "You cannot assume that this criminal was influenced by the book`s behavior,"

which is the same behavior. So, you are saying, the behavior in the book is criminal, right?

Dr. Drew -- going to mimic that.

that and -- hold on. And what sam just said, she said, you cannot assume that this criminal was influenced by the book is behavior. The

behavior in the book is criminal, right?

SCHACHER: Well, Dr. Drew --

PINSKY: Which I agree with. I agree with that.

BARNETT: That is not criminal behavior.

SCHACHER: Most people know the different between fiction and reality. OK?

PINSKY: But, it is criminal behavior.

SCHACHER: Well, fine!

PINSKY: Just like "God Father" is a fictional thing too.

SCHACHER: OK. But, when a hundred million --

PINSKY: It is a criminal behavior we are looking at.

SCHACHER: When hundred million people read that book, which they did or millions of people go see that movie, of course there is going to be

outliers who are going to interpret the content irresponsibly or they are going to do it criminally --

PINSKY: OK.

SCHACHER: Or they are going to use it as a scapegoat.

PINSKY: OK.

BARNETT: Exactly. Exactly.

PINSKY: OK. Vanessa, you agree.

BARNETT: I read every last one of these books, and I enjoyed them. But, I do not go out doing things to people that they do not want done to

them. We all have common sense. And, this young man, if he is so smart and he is a triathlon athlete, and he is a student leader, he also has some

common sense. And, you know when a girl is crying and screaming --

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: And, saying, no, you know you need to stop.

SEDAGHATFAR: How do you know that she was crying and screaming when you say no?

BARNETT: Because it is in the report. I read that front to back. I read the entire thing, and she was getting her hands free. She was trying

to get her hands free.

SEDAGHATFAR: Those are allegations. Those are allegations.

PINSKY: Anahita.

SEDAGHATFAR: They have not been proven in court. That is her position. His position is going to be, "I am a stellar student. I have an

unblemished record. This was consensual. And there is no way I would need to sexually assault her."

PINSKY: Hang on.

BARNETT: And, his position was also forcibly on top of her.

PINSKY: Let me tell you something, guys. This is why these kinds of -- I am about to use a slippery slope analogy. I am choking on it, but let

me just say. If somebody has trauma, sexual trauma in their background, they may suddenly flip into a trauma mode.

They may be very consenting for a while and suddenly slip into trauma. And, the alleged perpetrator may have no idea that that shift has

occurred. That is one of the reasons -- I am not saying that this did or did not happen. That is one of the reasons these kinds of behaviors

particularly with people that are not dating, that are sort of hooking -- they are not really even -- they do not know each other.

In those situations, it can go bad fast. And, somebody can experience something that they might have consented to as a profound

trauma. And, the perpetrator does not understand what is going on. Misses it entirely and can really harm somebody because what is the big deal? We

are just doing what is in the book.

Next, the movie is inspiring others to behave in strange ways right in the theater.

And, later, 911 calls about what was going on in Nick Gordon and Bobbi Kristina Brown`s home, back after this.

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DAKOTA JOHNSON, AS ANASTASIA STEELE, IN THE FILM "FIFTY SHADES OF GREY": Enlighten me then.

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PINSKY: Sex emergencies spike after the film, "Fifty Shades of Grey" opens big across the country. That is right.

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SCHACHER: Let us call it what it is, though, Dr. Drew. This is not quintessential love story. It is not "The Notebook." It is erotica.

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PINSKY: He is a stalker. He enslaves this young woman.

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SCHACHER: Millions of women out there have credited this trilogy for spicing up their sex lives, for putting them in the mood.

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PINSKY: But, I am worried about somebody consenting for enslavement and I am worried about what this says to young women.

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EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: If a guy tracks you on his phone, if he tries to buy you or do kinky things to you and you do not like it, get

the hell out.

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PINSKY: Back with Anahita, Sam, and Vanessa. Vanessa, do not laugh at me. The book is about him enslaving her. That is what actually

happened in the book.

BARNETT: It is fiction. There is so many books out is there with crazy topics and crazy stories and people do not go out and mimic. It is

fiction. It gives people a little, you know, fun in their life.

PINSKY: All right. Enjoy. I get it. But, now a freshman is behind bars after allegedly re-enacting a scene from the movie. This now became

was obviously turned into a sexual assault because that is what those scenes are.

Anahita, trauma survivors, as I said, can flip from consenting to traumatized, and there is nothing about that in the book to help people

understand that if you are going to engage in these behaviors, there are sometimes traumatic re-enactments.

And, people have to be careful and very caring of one another. Stuffing a sock or a tie in someone`s mouth and you know -- really going at

them when they beg you to stop and punching them, that is way out of line.

SEDAGHATFAR: That is right. And, Dr. Drew, you predicted this. You predicted that we could see crimes like this taking place because of this

movie and these books.

PINSKY: Well, not even crime -- think about is crime, I just think about it in terms of suffering --

SEDAGHATFAR: The behavior.

PINSKY: -- and the behavior. And, Sam, I hear you are sighing in the background.

SCHACHER: Well, it is semantics, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Well, Sam --

SCHACHER: Again, if a hundred million people are going to read that book, there is going to be people, probability wise, that are going to be

affected by it in a negative way.

PINSKY: OK. Well -- although, it was a little clip we just saw coming in, you had educated me that it is chick porn, right?

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SCHACHER: Well, not only is it chick porn, Dr. Drew, but I am kind of convinced that you enjoyed it, because you read all three books.

PINSKY: No, I read it because --

SCHACHER: Because you could not have hated it that much.

PINSKY: No. I slogged through it.

BARNETT: OK, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: And, people were saying I cannot understand how great the book is. According now -- I want to show you about the chick porn

reference that you made. According to a Mexican newspaper, "La Verdad," A 37-year-old woman was reportedly arrested inside of a movie theater having

allegedly been caught self-stimulating during a showing of "Fifty Shades of Grey." So, Sam, it turns out you were right.

SCHACHER: Well, it is chick porn, Dr. Drew. I am sorry that one person out of the millions of people that saw the movie decided to get

theirs. OK? How many other movies has that happened in? I am sure there is a lot that we are not aware of.

PINSKY: And, I want to give you guys -- I want to show you guys my favorite re-tweet. It was re-tweeted repeatedly. It is a Twitter post

that says, "I know a bunch of guys who are like Christian Grey, but without the money, without the handsomeness and they are all in jail." Vanessa,

very much likely, yes? Anahita, yes.

BARNETT: No, no. There is a community of people that enjoy this kind of behavior.

PINSKY: Of course. They are angry about this book.

BARNETT: But, look, "Fifty Shades of Grey" is not a teaching moment, Dr. Drew. It is not a novel were you suppose to teach people how to have

BDSM or whatever. It is a fiction novel that maybe some people are taking too far and some people in the theater are getting themselves off. That is

self-control issue. Those are not issues that are caused by the book. These are just dumb people doing dumb things.

PINSKY: Alright. I will grant you that. I will grant you that. And, let me just say -- and Anahita, you want to get a last comment? I

heard you sort of supported me on this, real quick.

SEDAGHATFAR: I totally support you on your position, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: So, you are going to be using this -- it is the Anahita Christian Grey defense? That is going to come out there in the future.

SCHACHER: Anahita, did you read the books?

SEDAGHATFAR: I did not. And, I have not seen the movie.

PINSKY: Do not waste your time, Anahita. Stay with me on this. Let me support you on that one.

SCHACHER: I will send them to you, Anahita.

PINSKY: Well, let me just say, two things. One is that the -- what concerns me -- we are having fun with this a little bit, but the reality is

this books, this movie glorifies pathology of the worst sort without any warning, without interpretation, without any sense that help people

understand what they are watching.

And, the very worst thing of all for me is what people point at is the sort of -- the reason it should be acceptable, which is that this very

disturbed man is changed by this woman. That is the fantasy what they are promoting, and it does not happen. That does not happen.

And, so, you are giving young women this fantasy that they can go for a guy that is a stalking, narcissist, violent, enslaving individual and

turn him into somebody who can be intimate and available and a lovely partner that does not happen.

Next up, we have the latest on Bobbi Kristina Brown. She is having seizuring when they attempt to lighten her coma. I will tell you what that

means and check us out on Facebook. See what goes on behind the scenes here. Well, watch our clips from the show. Tell us what you think. Back

after this.

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PINSKY: If it is an injury, if she cut off her arm, do you pray for arm to come back?

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SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Dr. Drew, some hope is better than none.

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: I understand she may never come back to be fully what she was.

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PINSKY: There are comas and then there are comas, alright, everybody? She is a fighter and she is getting better. I am sorry but

that is absolute nonsense.

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ODUOLOWU: Dr. Drew, even you have to allow for the possibility of medical -- say it with me, everybody -- miracle.

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PINSKY: This is not a miracle situation. The probability is zero. Not one in a million, zero.

BARNETT: That is exactly what a miracle is.

PINSKY: Not .001 percent, zero percent that she will come back in a meaningful way.

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PINSKY: That is right. Time now for behavior bureau, joining me Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist, professor at Pepperdine University, Erica

America, Psychotherapist and radio host, finally made it to us through the snow and Sunny Hostin, CNN Legal Analyst.

A source close to Bobbi Kristina`s family has said now that physicians have tried to, quote, "Take her off a lot of meds but had to put

her back on because she started having seizuring." And, so, let me say again -- how many days are we in now -- 22 or something, 26 days in to have

persistent seizuring because of brain injury, 26 days after an anoxic brain injury, there is not a worst sign that you could possibly have other than

brain death. But Sunny, is there any other information? What else do we know?

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: And, that is the majority of the information that certainly last week they were trying to wean her off these

sedatives to assess, really, brain function, right? Because you cannot do that when she is in this medically-induced coma.

They tried to do it, she began having these seizures again. And, so, now the sedation remains, and the family again is still prayerful, still

hopeful. But, certainly, I think at this point, Dr. Drew they are aware that this is not --

PINSKY: Is not good.

HOSTIN: This is not the sign that they wanted.

PINSKY: This is not good. This is not good. So, she is on a tracheostomy now. So, she has a hole in her neck that she breathes out of

with the machine because she does not have enough brain function to breathe on her own. She has a tube in her abdominal wall to feed her because she

cannot swallow. And, the probability is neither of those things will come back. She will not wake up.

People want her to wake up. You do not wake up from -- see, people - - I am getting a lots of tweets when people saying or saying to me, "my husband was in a coma for 28 days and he came out of it." Not in an ICU,

not on a ventilator, not with inability to be weaned off anti-seizure medication because of intractable seizuring.

Your husband who came out after 22 days was on a medical ward, was unarousable, was breathing on his own. This is somebody who cannot even

emerge from the most unstable environment in the hospital because she is required to be in that environment to keep her alive.

I also want to show you guys -- I let you hear a call. It is a 911 call from 2012. It is a neighbor who called the police to complain about

some disturbing noises coming from Bobbi Kristina`s home. This is not the first time, but I do want to play this tape. Have a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CALLER: I need to call in a noise disturbance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 OPERATOR: And, what kind of noise is going on upstairs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CALLER: Oh just everything you could think of. I mean they have been fighting, banging, screaming. We just heard one of

the girls scream and then this huge like thud came from -- you know, we are in our bedroom right now and they are right above us so. I mean the dogs

have been barking. They are running around, things are dropping on the floor. This is not the first time we have had to call.

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PINSKY: Erica, I see distress on your face. But, to me it just means she is recreating -- she saw domestic violence growing up. She is

recreating the chaos of her past.

ERICA AMERICA, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Absolutely. I think things were difficult while Whitney was alive. But after, unfortunately she passed, I

think the framework lessened even more so and it just got really, really difficult. And, she was looking for anything that she could latch on.

And, I do not want to say unfortunately, but to her it was her own brother- like figure.

PINSKY: Nick Gordon.

AMERICA: Yes. That she grew -- she reached out to and felt like she wanted to be her husband-like figure. And, you know, we do not know

whether she allegedly was into drugs or not.

PINSKY: We do not know anything about that at this point.

AMERICA: Yes. We do not know.

PINSKY: But, Judy, I think Erica`s point is well taken, though, that there is this chaos in her life. People when they have chaos, bad things

happen.

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: That is right. There has been a longstanding pattern of chaos, some of which she created on her own.

Unfortunately, because that was what the learning pattern and protocol she has been exposed to all her life.

And, so, unfortunately, as you said, Dr. Drew, people who have been exposed to that, the more bad things happen to them because they are

creating more circumstances --

PINSKY: Right.

HO: -- in which where bad things can happen.

PINSKY: Sunny, why does it feel like there is so much secrecy around what is going on? We only get a trickle of information. Is it just they

want to protect her HIPAA privilege? Or is there an ongoing legal case? I mean it just feels funny that there is so much secrecy.

HOSTIN: You know, I think they certainly are trying to protect Bobbi Kristina. I think they are as a family sort of circling around. They do

not want this to become sort of a media frenzy, even though, let us face it people are very interested in this. They are interested in her condition.

But, that is my sense, Dr. Drew, that they are just trying to protect Bobbi Kristina. And, they are still concerned about how this happened.

They still have questions about how this could happen. And, they do not feel that they have received those answers from Nick Gordon, quite frankly.

And, they are concerned.

PINSKY: Well -- Yes, I have some more on him and his involvement in the case and also more on Bobbi Kristina`s condition. We will be back

after this.

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PINSKY: The probability of Bobbi Kristina Brown returning to being herself, to being Bobbi Kristina, forget even getting a better singer, just

being an aware person that we would know as Bobbi Kristina, the probability of that according to the neurologist, zero percent. Zero percent.

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PINSKY: And, that has absolutely been my experience. That is precisely what my assessment would have been. I have been through

countless numbers of these hypoxic and anoxic brain injuries.

And, if they do not recover quickly in that first week and if they have persistent seizure, and persistent brain edema, persistent ICU needs,

or persistent ventilator needs, it is catastrophe on the other side.

Back with our behavior bureau, Judy, Erica, and Sunny. Now, earlier today, Nick Gordon tried to prevent police from accessing the footage that

he recorded by a security camera inside the home he had shared with Bobbi Kristina.

Tonight, we know he has backed off and allowed police to obtain that footage. Nick`s attorney says, police were looking for evidence of

possession of a controlled substance. Sunny, this whole -- that whole back and forth, what does that tell you about the investigation?

HOSTIN: You know, this is of great concern. The fact that nick has said that he is being transparent. He had nothing to do with what happened

to Bobbi Kristina. That sort of flies in the face of someone now seeking a temporary restraining order and trying to prevent access to information.

So, this is the first time, Dr. Drew. And, you know I have tried to really sort of hold judgment on this, because there are so many unanswered

questions. But, that move trying to prevent and obstruct the police investigation --

PINSKY: It is a little telling.

HOSTIN: It is very concerning.

PINSKY: It is a little telling, Erica. Is not it?

AMERICA: Yes. You know, I found this whole thing suspicious from the beginning. I have said this when we first started talking about this

case. Not necessarily that it was him but that how did Bobbi Kristina end up in that tub upside down?

PINSKY: Hey! You know what --

AMERICA: If you fall asleep, you wake up. I think there could be something --

PINSKY: Well, no. Wait. You know what does that? Pills do that. And, by the way, a doctor -- she may have been taking it as prescribed

even. Pills do not do that, Erica. People do not slam heroin and fall asleep in the bathroom. They take pills that they are prescribed and they

do not know that they are so sedating.

AMERICA: OK.

HO: Right.

AMERICA: OK. So, it could be that. But, I also just want to say, if God forbid, Bobbi Kristina does pass, I just think it is interesting to

note we do need to know what happens to all of her huge fortune that comes from Whitney Houston. Where is it going to go? I think it is interesting

to note.

PINSKY: Well, apparently it goes to Cissy. It goes to the grandmother. But, listen, give me that tweet up there about Bobbi Kristina

waking up. I want to read that if you guys can find it for me. Because, Judy, I want to show this to you. It is one of the most disturbing one.

Nick tweeted, "If her father really cared about her daughter, play a tape recorder with my voice, her favorite music. Let her wake up." And, A

lot of our viewers share the hope that something is going to cause Bobbi to wake up. This is not -- she is not asleep, everybody. This is not sleep

from which you wake up.

This is a brain injury from which maybe after years of rehabilitation she could re-develop the ability to move her limbs again, maybe speak or

swallow, not waking up. You do not wake up and hey -- is not like television. Judy, how do we get people to understand this?

HO: I know. You and I are positive and hopeful people. But there is just so much evidence now that this is really not going to be Bobbi

Kristina if she ever comes back. And, there is not going to be the type of function that we would expect.

PINSKY: So, even if she wakes up, even if she opens her eyes and seems to be communicating with the outside world, it will be in a very

limited way.

HO: That is right. And, I feel like when these difficult decisions come up, it is very telling to look at the types of reactions of the family

and friends, because it is often guilt-ridden.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: And, I actually see Nick`s tweet as a very guilt-ridden tweet trying to point the finger at Bobby Brown instead of really recognizing

that he may have had such a play in her chaos.

PINSKY: That is right. Thank you, Judy. And, we have the family on other side with their own guilt. They left Nick with her for years and

were not visiting -- who knows what difficulty they had accessing her. She may not wanted to see them, she is an adult.

But, the fact is, there is guilt on both sides. And, then the patient does not get good care as a result of people not being able to get

pass their guilt into their grief and deal with what is right for the patient. That is what I have been complaining about the entire way with

this case. And, I am terribly concerned about it. DVR us. Watch us any time. "Forensic Files" up next.

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